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How many will die of Covid19 in the 2020s directly and indirectly

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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12150 on: April 29, 2021, 04:49:27 PM »
^ Feed a cold; starve a fever!
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12151 on: April 29, 2021, 05:07:17 PM »
It's not going to be eradicated, this was already obvious many months ago, as it would require cooperation from all countries and most people globally. Not going to happen, sorry.
The only solution is strong vaccines (mRNA) and booster shots against new variants. This can be done relatively quickly with good planning and execution.
Lockdowns in most of the world were a stopgap measure to delay most infections until vaccines would come along. This both saved lots of lives of those who avoided infection, and lots more lives thanks to the avoidance of healthcare system collapse - which radically increases IFR.
Even in the countries like Australia which eradicated Covid, nothing is fixed for good because the virus will keep coming from abroad, with stronger strains. So again vaccination is the only long term solution.
Suboptimal lockdowns? Maybe, but this depends on the alternative. Having no lockdowns and letting the virus run rampant was always going to end in system collapse, that was obvious from the beginning and indeed happened even with some partial lockdowns.
Mutations stem from infections, the more infected the more opportunity for viable virus changes. Removing lockdowns will not do away with mutations, but will do away with lots of people who will die needlessly.
It is also quite hypocritical to blame the state for lockdowns. Many people would lock themselves down to avoid Covid, myself included, even if there was no mandated lockdown or social distancing. The econonic hit would happen one way or another, just in a more chaotic way.

Yes, immunity is the answer.  Whether it occurs naturally or through vaccines is immaterial.  Those countries that locked down and isolated themselves will not be spared future outbreaks, if they do not achieve immunity.  This is occurring currently in many countries that escaped the first or second waves of the virus. 

The lockdowns were just stopgap measures, until immunity could be provided.  This virus will run its course until most become immune or succumb.  Afterwards, episodes will pop up (just like H1N1), but will result in a much lighter outbreaks.  It could be eradicated, but probably not, especially if future outbreaks prove to be much milder and acceptable.

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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12152 on: April 29, 2021, 07:07:05 PM »
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One hypothesis is that such a major selection pressure shift on the virus genome is driven by the increasing human population immunity worldwide acquired from natural SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Especially if this increasing human population immunity is going too slow due to suboptimal lockdowns and suboptimal vaccination programmes (which is something that can be predicted, I would guess).

On the one hand, I think it's easy to predict. All you need to do is look at the ever-churning abyss of bat betacoronaviruses to realize that there's lot of antigenic escape potential there. On the other hand, I think it's very hard to predict, because it's hard to perform rigorous studies that show escape potential and the mechanisms of action that allow it.

That being said, I completely agree that shitty lockdowns and shitty vaccination campaigns are the best way to apply just enough selective pressure to really let us experience all the weapons it has in its arsenal. It's a classic case of us needing to cause enough adaptive pressure to lead to extinction versus fitness.

We got shitty lockdowns because our leaders were too cowardly to impose real lockdowns, and most of our societies have been lied to about "Personal Responsibility" for so long that we lapped up the excuses for lack of central action without question. Now we get shitty reopenings because municipal and state governments desperately need tax revenue and the officials are afraid their constituents will abandon them if they try to impose any more restrictions now.

We'll continue to allow just enough adaptive pressure to let SARS-CoV-2 efficiently explore its mutation space, and we'll never get R far enough below 1 in a globally synchronous manner to eradicate the virus. So now we just get to watch the virus rifle through its mutation space while we hope it doesn't have any too bad tricks up its sleeve.

Given how fast it has thrown out mutations in response to adaptive changes so far, I doubt we're done seeing its tricks. The north hemisphere will probably be lulled into a sense of security by seasonal effects helping to suppress R some. Expect to see fanfare and victory in a lot of places followed by a mysterious fall spike.
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12153 on: April 29, 2021, 07:42:24 PM »
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Note - all figures are reported cases & deaths. You can make your own mind up about missing data - I am not going there.

ITALY
- 4 million reported cases (6.64% of the population)
- 120,000 deaths (0.20% of the population)

The graphs suggest that at last Italy may have a grip on the situation

UK
- 4.4 million reported cases (6.48% of the population)
- 127,500 deaths (0.19% of the population)

The graphs say cases and deaths very low and still gradually reducing. Britain's Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England Jonathan Van-Tam  says ....
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"modelling consensus is clear that we will have what is called a third wave."

"I am personally hopeful that if the vaccine programme continues at pace, and continues to be as successful as it's been, the third wave, so to speak, might just be a third upsurge and much less significant, because of the de-linking of cases to hospitalizations and deaths," he said at a news conference.

"But I think it's inconceivable to think that we will go from a period of relative calm... with no further bumps in the road in terms of upswings in activity between now and this time next year," he added, saying he expected more cases, likely in the in the autumn or winter, but it was hard to know for sure.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/english-medic-hopes-vaccines-limit-damage-any-third-covid-wave-2021-04-28/

And as aperson says above...
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Given how fast it has thrown out mutations in response to adaptive changes so far, I doubt we're done seeing its tricks. The north hemisphere will probably be lulled into a sense of security by seasonal effects helping to suppress R some. Expect to see fanfare and victory in a lot of places followed by a mysterious fall spike.
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12154 on: April 29, 2021, 07:53:13 PM »
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

INDIA

A cautionary tale if you need one. They thought it was all over and then...

BRAZIL

Is the worst over? Or is this merely remission.
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While we celebrate FREEDOM ! others cannot.
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12155 on: April 29, 2021, 10:28:40 PM »
Brazil Rejects Sputnik V Vaccine, Says It’s Tainted With Replicating Cold Virus
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/04/brazil-rejects-sputnik-v-vaccine-says-its-tainted-with-replicating-cold-virus/

Health regulators in Brazil say that doses of Russia’s Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine contain a cold-causing virus capable of replicating in human cells.

The unintended presence of the virus in the vaccine can “lead to infections in humans and can cause damage and death, especially in people with low immunity and respiratory problems, among other health problems,” Brazil’s Health Regulatory Agency, Anvisa, said Wednesday in a translated statement.

https://www.gov.br/anvisa/pt-br/composicao/diretoria-colegiada/reunioes-da-diretoria/votos/2021/copy2_of_rextra-7-de-2021/voto-120-2021-dire5.pdf

Brazil’s findings raise serious questions about the quality and safety of the vaccine, which is now being used in many countries. The findings also support concerns of Slovak regulators, who said earlier this month that batches of Sputnik V they received did not “have the same characteristics and properties” as the Sputnik V vaccine that was described in a peer-reviewed publication and found to be 91.6 percent effective.

Moreover, quality-control issues weren’t the end of Anvisa’s concerns. In an overall evaluation of the Russian vaccine, Brazil’s regulators found its safety and efficacy were based on insufficient, limited, and sometimes faulty data and analyses. “Flaws... were identified in all stages of clinical studies,” Anvisa said. The agency also reported that its inspectors who traveled to Russia to assess the vaccine’s production were barred from vaccine facilities at Gamaleya Institute, which developed Sputnik V.

Brazil’s regulators say they reviewed data that indicated there was replication-competent adenovirus (RCA) in every evaluated batch of the second Ad5-based dose of Sputnik V.

In a 21-page report from Anvisa, the regulator wrote - translated from Portuguese on page 8:

“Although international guidelines have established that replicating viruses should not be present in the vaccines, the [Sputnik V developers] set the limit of 1x103 [1,000] RCA per dose of 1x1011 [100 billion] viral particles, which is considerably above the limits allowed in the guidance of the American FDA” for gene therapies.

The US Food and Drug Administration’s guidance for gene therapies states that they “recommend a maximum level of 1 RCA in 3×1010 [30 billion] viral particles.” That would allow for no more than about 3.33 RCA in 100 billion viral particles, not 1,000.

In another report, Anvisa wrote (again translated): “It is noteworthy that the replicating adenovirus was detected in all batches presented for component II [Ad5-based second dose] of the vaccine and not evaluated in component I [Ad26-based first doses].”

The data was enough to worry the regulators, who had a string of questions after seeing this data. Those included: “How long can replicating viruses remain in the human body? In what organs and tissues can they be found? Can they cause any damage to tissues and organs? Can this replicating virus be transmitted to other people? What does it mean in terms of safety for those who receive the vaccine? [Is there] increased risk of adverse events?”

... For now, no Brazilians will be rolling up their sleeves for Sputnik, given the regulator’s concerns. Freitas expressed hope that Russian vaccine developers would be open to their critique and take the necessary steps to address problems “because millions of people need access to safe and effective vaccines,” she said.

But that appears unlikely. In a press release, the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), which financially backed the development of Sputnik V, called Brazil’s criticisms and vote “political.”

“These allegations have no scientific basis and cannot be taken seriously in the scientific community and among international regulators,” the RDIF said.

The official Twitter account for the Sputnik vaccine, thought to be run by the RDIF, took things a step further, calling Anvisa’s assessment “fake news.” On Thursday, the account tweeted that “Sputnik V is undertaking a legal defamation proceeding in Brazil against Anvisa for knowingly spreading false and inaccurate information.”

Russia touts that “the safety and efficacy of Sputnik V has been confirmed by 61 regulators in countries where the vaccine has been authorized.”  However, Brazil’s regulators said that of 51 countries it contacted, only 14 were using the vaccine, and that most of those countries were ones that did not have a tradition of vigilant drug safety monitoring.
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12156 on: April 29, 2021, 11:52:20 PM »
We got shitty lockdowns because our leaders were too cowardly to impose real lockdowns, and most of our societies have been lied to about "Personal Responsibility" for so long that we lapped up the excuses for lack of central action without question. Now we get shitty reopenings because municipal and state governments desperately need tax revenue and the officials are afraid their constituents will abandon them if they try to impose any more restrictions now.

This is something that a mix of sociologists, anthropologists, psychologists and political economists would probably have predicted beforehand. In other words, one could have known that lockdowns were highly likely going to be suboptimal, and then the epidemiologists, virologists and immunologists would be able to say beforehand what the possible implications would be of that (suboptimal vaccination programmes due to variants).

But that never happened. And now one has to hope it is truly over, and gained powers do not further corrupt.
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12157 on: April 30, 2021, 01:49:44 AM »
Variants of concern / under investigation in UK to 28 April released
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-variants-genomically-confirmed-case-numbers/variants-distribution-of-cases-data

A couple of Indian variants added this week B.1.617.2 and B.1.617.3. 202 'new'  cases of B.1.617.2 is more than others combined (excluding UK B.1.1.7).

Others seem to be not changing much e.g. South African 75 then 56, 70, 67.

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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12158 on: April 30, 2021, 06:39:35 AM »
Variants of concern / under investigation in UK to 28 April released
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-variants-genomically-confirmed-case-numbers/variants-distribution-of-cases-data

A couple of Indian variants added this week B.1.617.2 and B.1.617.3. 202 'new'  cases of B.1.617.2 is more than others combined (excluding UK B.1.1.7).

Others seem to be not changing much e.g. South African 75 then 56, 70, 67.
I'm not sure why they changed their minds after initially only including B.1.671.1. B.1.617.2 is a version without E484Q which is one of the two double mutants making B.1.617 scary and not much B.1.617.3 has been seen. No technical briefing this week, so I've seen no extra detail yet. Maybe the numbers of B.1.617.2 just got too large not to promote it from surveillance to investigation.

The numbers from the technical briefing last week were 94 for B.1.617.2, so 108 of those 202 are new.
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12159 on: April 30, 2021, 02:18:33 PM »
Associations between body-mass index and COVID-19 severity in 6·9 million people in England: a prospective, community-based, cohort study

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(21)00089-9/fulltext

Nothing too surprising here, but it is a substantial number of people included in the study and some interactions as well as the direct effect were found. BMI made most difference in younger people and Black people. Risk of death was actually lowest at slight overweight and quite a bit higher at the low end of the "healthy" range.

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Among 6 910 695 eligible individuals (mean BMI 26·78 kg/m2 [SD 5·59]), 13 503 (0·20%) were admitted to hospital, 1601 (0·02%) to an ICU, and 5479 (0·08%) died after a positive test for SARS-CoV-2. We found J-shaped associations between BMI and admission to hospital due to COVID-19 (adjusted hazard ratio, HR, per kg/m2 from the nadir at BMI of 23 kg/m2 of 1·05 [95% CI 1·05–1·05]) and death (1·04 [1·04–1·05]), and a linear association across the whole BMI range with ICU admission (1·10 [1·09–1·10]). We found a significant interaction between BMI and age and ethnicity, with higher HR per kg/m2 above BMI 23 kg/m2 for younger people (adjusted HR per kg/m2 above BMI 23 kg/m2 for hospital admission 1·09 [95% CI 1·08–1·10] in 20–39 years age group vs 80–100 years group 1·01 [1·00–1·02]) and Black people than White people (1·07 [1·06–1·08] vs 1·04 [1·04–1·05]). The risk of admission to hospital and ICU due to COVID-19 associated with unit increase in BMI was slightly lower in people with type 2 diabetes, hypertension, and cardiovascular disease than in those without these morbidities.

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« Reply #12160 on: April 30, 2021, 02:46:37 PM »
^^
My BMI was just measured at 29.65.
Used to be a lot more.

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« Reply #12161 on: April 30, 2021, 04:14:11 PM »
Study: ACE inhibitors for blood pressure increase protein that bolsters COVID-19

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/04/26/coronavirus-ace-inhibitors-risk-mice-study/5471619450818/

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April 26 (UPI) -- Taking a specific type of blood pressure medication increases levels of a protein that helps COVID-19 spread through the body, a study presented Monday during the American Society for Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics' annual meeting found.

Mice taking angiotensin converting enzyme, or ACE, inhibitors were found to have higher levels of ACE2, a protein present on the surface of cells that is known to help the virus spread through the body, the researchers said.

It remains unclear, according to the researchers, whether higher ACE2 actually raises the risk for more serious illness from COVID-19. (...)

And at last a study that finds no increased COVID risk for something:

Systematic review of the association between ABO blood type and COVID-19 incidence and mortality

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255816v1.full-text

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A large proportion of COVID-19 research has been focused on identifying markers of high-risk individuals. However, this research often fails to consider basic epidemiologic concepts to prevent bias in the design, selection, and analysis of observational data. One suspected marker of risk that has been repeatedly assessed is ABO blood type. Given the ease of measuring this biomarker, it is an appealing target for identifying high-risk individuals. However, this same ease of measurement makes associational research on ABO blood type and COVID prone to a range of common epidemiologic errors. We conducted a systematic review of studies assessing correlations between ABO blood type and COVID incidence, hospitalization, and mortality to determine the quality of evidence these studies provide and whether the overall evidence suggests ABO blood type could provide a useful indicator of COVID risk. We conclude that most existing studies are low quality and suffer from major methodological flaws. The few higher-quality studies which do exist find no association between ABO blood type and COVID outcomes. We conclude that there is no evidence to support the use of ABO blood type as a marker for COVID risk or severity.

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« Reply #12162 on: April 30, 2021, 10:26:04 PM »
Worldometer India Apr 30, 2021:

402,110 new cases and 3,522 new deaths

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Grief and Anger as Covid Victims Overwhelm Delhi’s Crematoriums
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/30/covid-victims-overwhelm-delhi-crematoriums

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... “We've had patients being rushed in, almost wards getting filled up overnight, 90 patients in less than 12 hours. The problem with this virus is the second wave is extremely contagious, extremely aggressive, and it is affecting the younger population in a significantly different way that we had not expected,” said Dr. Farah Husain, head of the Covid-19 ICU unit at Lok Nayak Hospital in Delhi.

“We are feeling very, very tired. And the fact that we’ve not able to control the numbers is something which is extremely shocking for us,” ... “It’s like … Covid is there in every house,” Husain said.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NewDay/status/1388084850985512963

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Brazil has now surpassed 400,000 deaths from coronavirus. The country's health ministry reported more than 3,000 new Covid-19 deaths Thursday, raising the total number of deaths recorded during the pandemic to 401,186.



Fiocruz, a Brazilian public health research institute, recently reported that patients between the ages of 20 to 29 had the most pronounced increase in Covid-19 deaths among all adults between early January and mid-April this year.

Data from the first full epidemiological week of January compared to the second week of April showed that deaths among Covid-19 patients in the 20-29 age group grew 1,081%.

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Russia records more than 400,000 excess deaths during pandemic -Reuters calculations
https://news.trust.org/item/20210430163953-hhdjb/
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/russia-records-more-than-400000-excess-deaths-during-pandemic-reuters-2021-04-30/

Russia recorded more than 400,000 excess deaths from last April to this March during the pandemic, according to Reuters calculations based on data from the state statistics agency published on Friday.

Excess death figures, which some epidemiologists say are the best way to measure the true toll from Covid-19 given that counting methods vary between countries, surpass official Covid death figures in many countries.
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« Reply #12163 on: May 01, 2021, 05:07:21 AM »
India’s IT Companies Scramble to Handle COVID-19 Surge
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/war-rooms-oxygen-indias-it-companies-scramble-handle-covid-19-surge-2021-04-28/

(Reuters) — India’s giant IT firms in Bengaluru and other cities have set up COVID-19 “war-rooms” as they scramble to source oxygen, medicine and hospital beds for infected workers and maintain backroom operations for the world’s biggest financial firms.

Banks including Goldman Sachs and Standard Chartered, who run much of their global back office operations from large office parks in Bengaluru, Chennai or Hyderabad, have put in place infrastructure to vaccinate thousands of employees and their families when age restrictions are lifted on May 1.

They play down any threat of a collapse in operations — but at stake if the surge continues is the infrastructure put in place by the world’s biggest financial companies in cost-cutting drives that have left them deeply reliant on the big Indian offices.

Local IT managers say they struggled to get global chiefs outside India to recognise the seriousness of the outbreak.

India’s gigantic IT and call centre service industry employs more than 4.5 million people directly
and relies on huge numbers of graduates under the age of 30.

Managers at Goldman Sachs’ massive complex in Bengaluru, for example, told staff in early March to prepare to return to full-scale office working. The company quickly U-turned, sending all but essential employees home on March 27 as cases began to rise.

All 15 of the large companies Reuters spoke to this week said that they now had vaccination schemes in place. Several outlined COVID-19 “war-rooms” they had launched to support staff and secure oxygen and other supplies.

Initially, managers outside India had not wanted their companies’ Indian operations to be seen to be jumping the queue for vaccines, says a senior manager who runs a workforce of more than 600 staff at a global bank in Bengaluru, asking not to be identified.

“The India CEO and others here said: we don’t care what it looks like, people are dying.”
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« Reply #12164 on: May 01, 2021, 05:11:44 AM »
Nepal Facing Deadly Covid Wave Similar to India, Doctors Warn
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/apr/30/nepal-facing-deadly-covid-wave-similar-to-india-doctors-warn

Doctors in Nepal have warned that the country is facing a similar devastating wave of Covid-19 as neighbouring India, with border districts already reporting an alarming spike in cases and shortage of hospital beds and oxygen.

In the Banke district of Nepal, bordering India, doctors at Bheri hospital said it was turning into a “mini India”, with coronavirus spreading out of control.

“The situation is out of control. We are in a helpless situation,” said Rajan Pandey, the chief consultant physician at the hospital. “We lack nursing manpower in the hospital.” In the last two weeks, 80 staff members at Bheri hospital have tested positive for Covid-19.

On Thursday, the capital, Kathmandu, went into a two-week lockdown, as the health minister, Hridayesh Tripathi, warned that a second wave was hitting the country that was “more contagious and lethal”. Speaking to the Nepali Times, Tripathi said Nepal’s healthcare system “can’t contain the pandemic”.

Pandey is among the doctors and health experts who believe that the new B1617 variant first detected in India, which is believed to be more contagious, has spread into Nepal and is behind the recent surge in cases, which has hit younger patients and even children this time, similar to the situation in India.

... “The cases are increasing so fast that the country’s healthcare system cannot cope. We request everyone to be sensible,” read a statement issued by the government.

Nepal Apr 30, 2021: 5,657 new cases and 33 new deaths

Nepal Apr 17, 2021: 768 new cases and 5 new deaths
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« Reply #12165 on: May 01, 2021, 08:27:54 AM »
New cases now declining almost uniformly across Europe, as well as severe/critical cases.

The probable spillover from India continues - Sri Lanka saw another rise of 144%, Nepal of 159% (India of 23%).

Note: The figures from Worldometers in the new "Weekly trends" category can differ somewhat from the above, as they often distribute data corrections over time (and maybe there are other reasons sometimes, I don't know). Whatever, I stick to the difference in total cases reported at the respective dates.

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« Reply #12166 on: May 01, 2021, 08:37:46 AM »

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Russia records more than 400,000 excess deaths during pandemic -Reuters calculations
https://news.trust.org/item/20210430163953-hhdjb/
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/russia-records-more-than-400000-excess-deaths-during-pandemic-reuters-2021-04-30/

Russia recorded more than 400,000 excess deaths from last April to this March during the pandemic, according to Reuters calculations based on data from the state statistics agency published on Friday.
Considering that there were much fewer accidents and no flu season and Russia has a population of 144 million it means that 0,25-0,35% of its population died of COVID


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« Reply #12167 on: May 01, 2021, 10:38:55 PM »
Coronavirus Cases Surge Across India as Seasonable Heat Persists
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/coronavirus-cases-surge-across-india-as-seasonable-heat-persists/939539/amp

... In addition to the surging pandemic, seasonably warm conditions could create complications.



High pressure situated over northern India has been promoting warm and dry conditions throughout the week. High temperatures from Punjab and northern Rajasthan to Bihar and parts of West Bengal have reached above 100-110 degrees Fahrenheit (38-43 degrees Celsius) each afternoon into Saturday.

Residents across the region are urged to take precautions to avoid heat-related illnesses by remaining hydrated and taking breaks out of the sun. With hospitals struggling to keep up with coronavirus patients, anyone suffering from a heat-related illness may struggle to find proper treatment at already overwhelmed hospitals and clinics.

Additional precautions may need to be taken to prevent the spread of the coronavirus if people are spending time indoors to escape the heat.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there is a higher risk for the virus to transmit in indoor spaces, where there can be less ventilation that outdoor spaces.

After over a year of gathering data around how this novel coronavirus spreads and who is most at risk of suffering from more severe symptoms, one environmental condition has emerged as a determining factor. ... Poor air quality may explain why the disease has been more severe in some places than others.

As seasonably high temperatures continue across portions of India and the air remains largely stagnant, air quality is expected to deteriorate.

... The southwest monsoon is expected to kick off around June 1 in southern India and advance across the country at a largely steady pace. Rounds of flooding rainfall can impact that the transport and distribution of the vaccines & oxygen.

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Eight People Die In an Indian Hospital After Medical Oxygen Runs Out
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-05-01-21/index.html

Eight people, including one doctor, died at a hospital in the Indian capital of New Delhi on Saturday afternoon after the facility ran out of medical oxygen.

Speaking to CNN, Dr. SCL Gupta, the medical director of Batra Hospital, said staff had been messaging government authorities, warning them the hospital only had four to five hours of oxygen left.

At around 1:30 p.m. local time, with minutes left, they were running on oxygen brought in by the families of patients while emergency reserves were used for ICU patients.

Out of a total of 326 patients, 300 are hospitalized with Covid-19. More than 200 require oxygen support, Gupta added.

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Blaze at Indian Hospital Covid-19 Ward Kills 18

Eighteen people are dead after a fire broke out at a Covid-19 hospital ward in India’s Gujarat state in the early hours of Saturday.

The fire broke out in the intensive care unit of the Welfare Hospital in the western state’s Bharuch district, according to Dr. MD Modiya, a senior district official.

According to Modiya, 16 of the dead were patients. Two were staff members.

Nearly 60 patients were in the hospital at the time of the fire, which broke out around 1 a.m. local time, he said. The remaining patients have been moved to nearby hospitals.
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« Reply #12168 on: May 01, 2021, 11:10:08 PM »
Global COVID-19 vaccinations:

(Partially) vaccinated:
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To reach 60% at current rate:
872 days (+67): Sept. 20, 2023

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« Reply #12169 on: May 02, 2021, 01:33:44 PM »
Until global herd immunity is reached and the virus is eradicated, local herd immunity will have pockets of vulnerability.  This is particularly dangerous in places with distinct pockets of vulnerability, mostly large blocks of highly related unvaccinated.

These pockets of vulnerability will be reached more often if there are pockets of raging pandemics like in India or Brasil. The more often attacks happen, the higher the likelihood a pocket of vulnerability is reached.

Pockets of vulnerability are applicable at multiple scales.

Pockets of vulnerability may be geographical, but this is a social virus, so social groups of unvaccinated will be particularly vulnerable. Religious, political, and many other groups that for a reason or another choose to risk the virus bare skin will create pockets of vulnerability.

Sadly, they will not face the same threat we all faced last year. They will face the code that survived after facing a billion immune systems but managed to duplicate anyways.  This code is more infectious and more virulent. This is a hardened, veteran code with specialties old-school C19 did not have.



Please get vaccinated if you can. Give your body a heads up of what is coming.
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« Reply #12170 on: May 02, 2021, 03:41:52 PM »
If we live in a 2 person household and only 1 wants to be vaccinated, should:
a) no-one be allowed to be vaccinated?
b) as each wants?
c) force both to be vaccinated?

If b) is chosen we are providing the virus greater chance of evolving past the current vaccines.

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« Reply #12171 on: May 02, 2021, 03:42:33 PM »
In the U.S., the 7 day moving average for daily deaths now stands at 710, the lowest number since July 10, 2020. Still seems to be lowering but at a very slow pace.

31.2% of Americans have been fully vaccinated.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html#:~:text=As%20of%206%20a.m.%20EDT,according%20to%20the%20CDC's%20data.

Is this enough to noticeably affect transmission rates?

43.6% of Americans have received at least one dose.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-who-ve-received-at-least-one-covid-19-shot-april-22.html

Are we beginning to see evidence of vaccine resistance? Will we be able to reach a level of vaccinated to prevent large outbreaks?

90% of doctors have received at least one dose.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/us/politics/us-100-million-vaccinated.html

Will the family doctor be able to convince their patients of the need to be vaccinated?
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« Reply #12172 on: May 02, 2021, 03:53:22 PM »
If we live in a 2 person household and only 1 wants to be vaccinated, should:
a) no-one be allowed to be vaccinated?
b) as each wants?
c) force both to be vaccinated?

If b) is chosen we are providing the virus greater chance of evolving past the current vaccines.

If (b) is chosen, you vaccinate the one and shoot the other.   ;)
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« Reply #12173 on: May 02, 2021, 04:16:48 PM »
If we live in a 2 person household and only 1 wants to be vaccinated, should:
a) no-one be allowed to be vaccinated?
b) as each wants?
c) force both to be vaccinated?

If b) is chosen we are providing the virus greater chance of evolving past the current vaccines.
The virus has enough chances to evolve thanks to millions of infections across the globe. Choose b, better one vaccinated than none.

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« Reply #12174 on: May 02, 2021, 05:33:39 PM »
If we live in a 2 person household and only 1 wants to be vaccinated, should:
a) no-one be allowed to be vaccinated?
b) as each wants?
c) force both to be vaccinated?

If b) is chosen we are providing the virus greater chance of evolving past the current vaccines.
The virus has enough chances to evolve thanks to millions of infections across the globe. Choose b, better one vaccinated than none.

Agree.  As many as possible should be immunized.

But the broader question of what evolutionary pressures are  acting on viral evolution is interesting.  Right now, children under 16 are not being immunized.  So far, Covid hasn't successfully adapted to infecting children.  But if the virus is circulating,  with many/most adults immunized, then the virus is confronted with very strong selective pressure to adapt to the task of infecting children.

Meanwhile, the more-virulent strains in India are spreading quickly.  Have we learned the recurrent lesson yet?  That is, what's happening in Delhi today can happen in Paris or London or NYC next month.  Is oxygen being stockpiled?  Contingency plans for ramped-up production?  I've read nothing about any such preparations.

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« Reply #12175 on: May 02, 2021, 06:06:17 PM »
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... Is oxygen being stockpiled?  Contingency plans for ramped-up production?

The issue in India is transportation & distribution capacity.



https://indianexpress.com/article/india/the-covid-crisis-falling-sho2rt-india-covid-oxygen-supply-7287681/lite/

In India, oxygen is produced in bulk near manufacturing hubs and steel mills in the east and has to be trucked over dodgy roads to the north. Once it got to the hospital, plumbing capacity was not up to the high-flo demand. This cropped up in Los Angeles in January. Small diameter pipes. They were freezing up.

In the US & EU production and distribution are better, but internal hospital plumbing is still a bottleneck. That, and pulmonary specialists to operate the ventilators.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56891016
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« Reply #12176 on: May 02, 2021, 06:37:15 PM »
If we live in a 2 person household and only 1 wants to be vaccinated, should:
a) no-one be allowed to be vaccinated?
b) as each wants?
c) force both to be vaccinated?

If b) is chosen we are providing the virus greater chance of evolving past the current vaccines.
The virus has enough chances to evolve thanks to millions of infections across the globe. Choose b, better one vaccinated than none.

So far, Covid hasn't successfully adapted to infecting children. 

Aren't they reporting more children getting infected by the new strain in India?

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« Reply #12177 on: May 02, 2021, 07:14:32 PM »
So far, Covid hasn't successfully adapted to infecting children.

COVID has absolutely been infecting kids and whenever they do something like serosurveys across schools they end up surprised at how many kids have antibodies that never tested positive. Asymptomatic != uninfected, especially when asymptomatic people may show long-term sequelae.

With that being said, kids certainly have milder disease on average and are very likely to have reduced transmissibility. These are still factors that could be overcome by selective adaptation in a population that is vaccinating in age groups.
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« Reply #12178 on: May 02, 2021, 07:20:56 PM »
Pockets of vulnerability are applicable at multiple scales.

Pockets of vulnerability may be geographical, but this is a social virus, so social groups of unvaccinated will be particularly vulnerable. Religious, political, and many other groups that for a reason or another choose to risk the virus bare skin will create pockets of vulnerability.

Indeed - e.g. in Germany, in the last two weeks it was belatedly recognized that the vaccination campaign prioritization had neglected the vulnerable areas in inner cities with dense living conditions, high numbers of people working in the service sector and with poor access to the health system. A disproportionately high number of severe COVID-19 courses and thus above-average ICU patient numbers come from these groups. Now projects are set up to get more people there vaccinated, like in Cologne (tagesschau.de):

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The city of Cologne starts its pilot project with additional coronavirus vaccinations in hotspot parts of the city this Monday. Mayor Henriette Reker made the provincial government responsible and asked for more support for the project. "In some parts of Cologne the incidence is 600 and higher [average is 180]," warned Reker. "Our goal is to achieve a high vaccination rate in all vulnerable social areas as quickly as possible." The metropolis wants to use mobile vaccination teams to go to high-rise estates such as Chorweiler and the Kölnberg and offer people there low-threshold vaccinations.

The provincial government has made 1000 additional vaccine doses available from the manufacturer Johnson & Johnson. The vaccine has the advantage that a single injection is sufficient and a second dose is not necessary after several weeks. Reker had named 700 vaccinations per day in hotspot parts of the city as the goal of the project. However, the province initially only wants to provide 1,000 additional doses of vaccine for the entire first week. Reker told the state government that it was assuming "that the country will provide us with additional vaccines in a timely manner".

Good idea to give the J&J vaccine here IMHO. I have read in this thread that in some countries many people who were to receive two doses simply did not show up for their second appointment.

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« Reply #12179 on: May 02, 2021, 08:20:06 PM »
Well i choose B for the very same reason as Oren.

And kids have been infected all along but for a long time they were usually not tested (there is a lot more being done now but i have not seen a numbers report for the Netherlands).

Also an interesting point made by zufall. We have the same problem. Another problem is that those areas also have a lot of non dutch speakers or people that speak it at low levels. There is very little good clear information about vaccination for them. In general the whole communication has been messy which does not help.
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« Reply #12180 on: May 02, 2021, 09:19:39 PM »
Is there a point where we should make the vaccination campaign more difficult by requiring unvaccinated people to be tested and only allowed them to be vaccinated if they are negative?

Is vaccinating someone with covid the worst thing in terms of putting most pressure on the virus to mutate?

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« Reply #12181 on: May 02, 2021, 09:34:32 PM »
No that would be a waste of resources. We should just vaccinate everybody asap.

The virus mutates all the time anyway but the vaccines also provide broader T cell immunity which works on parts of the virus that are different then the actual vaccine targets.

ETA:
The mystery that could explain why COVID vaccines work so well

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https://www.theage.com.au/national/the-mystery-that-could-explain-why-covid-vaccines-work-so-well-20210427-p57mq0.html
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« Reply #12182 on: May 02, 2021, 09:53:42 PM »
The coronavirus has some basic properties that makes it a coronavirus. I'm sure that this puts at least some boundaries on what it can mutate to. It seems very unlikely that it can become an infinitely infective asymptomatic child-carried super killer bug. But then again, virology is not my field.

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« Reply #12183 on: May 02, 2021, 10:35:56 PM »
I think you are correct. Somewhere above there is an article which talks about why measles (or one of the other common ones) is easier to stop then Covid or influenza. It has less configurations it can go to.

The other two have more so they can both become seasonal diseases (and then spread on, see the relation of Influenza A, B and C for example). 

Other things like the difference in response to infection in children vs adults vs the very old are highly likely more a function of our immune system then something the virus can target.
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« Reply #12184 on: May 02, 2021, 11:35:16 PM »
It is interesting as this UK, undercover reporter/leaker on Twitter is reported by the UK national press from time to time.

It's time to discuss the origins of #COVID19.
China has worked to silence any publication on research on the strong possibility of a Lab leak, this could be about to change with a number of books & papers due to be released in coming months!...

Novel #CoronaVirus was being worked in the #WuhanLab to make it more contagious via the spike protein during the period of the months leading up to the first reported cases!..

My current assessment of the situation is a modified #CoronaVirus got out from the #WuhanLab, the CCP covered up the leak & was relatively successful, to begin with but that wild type Covid mutated into the variation that first spread in Wuhan & then seeded globally...

Over the next 12 months, more evidence will be made public, a lot of work has been done to identify the sections of the RNA that had been modified in the original strain!.

https://twitter.com/mi6rogue/status/1388944956073644036

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« Reply #12185 on: May 02, 2021, 11:35:46 PM »
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« Reply #12186 on: May 02, 2021, 11:46:04 PM »
It is interesting as this UK, undercover reporter/leaker on Twitter is reported by the UK national press from time to time.

It's time to discuss the origins of #COVID19.
China has worked to silence any publication on research on the strong possibility of a Lab leak, this could be about to change with a number of books & papers due to be released in coming months!...

Novel #CoronaVirus was being worked in the #WuhanLab to make it more contagious via the spike protein during the period of the months leading up to the first reported cases!..

My current assessment of the situation is a modified #CoronaVirus got out from the #WuhanLab, the CCP covered up the leak & was relatively successful, to begin with but that wild type Covid mutated into the variation that first spread in Wuhan & then seeded globally...

Over the next 12 months, more evidence will be made public, a lot of work has been done to identify the sections of the RNA that had been modified in the original strain!.

https://twitter.com/mi6rogue/status/1388944956073644036

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« Reply #12187 on: May 03, 2021, 04:48:06 AM »
COVID-19 Is a Vascular Disease: Coronavirus’ Spike Protein Attacks Vascular System on a Cellular Level
https://scitechdaily.com/covid-19-is-a-vascular-disease-coronavirus-spike-protein-attacks-vascular-system-on-a-cellular-level/amp/

Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease.

Scientists have known for a while that SARS-CoV-2’s distinctive “spike” proteins help the virus infect its host by latching on to healthy cells. Now, a major new study shows that they also play a key role in the disease itself.

The paper, published on April 30, 2021, in Circulation Research, also shows conclusively that COVID-19 is a vascular disease, demonstrating exactly how the SARS-CoV-2 virus damages and attacks the vascular system on a cellular level. The findings help explain COVID-19’s wide variety of seemingly unconnected complications, and could open the door for new research into more effective therapies.

“A lot of people think of it as a respiratory disease, but it’s really a vascular disease,” says Assistant Research Professor Uri Manor, who is co-senior author of the study. “That could explain why some people have strokes, and why some people have issues in other parts of the body. The commonality between them is that they all have vascular underpinnings.”

While the findings themselves aren’t entirely a surprise, the paper provides clear confirmation and a detailed explanation of the mechanism through which the protein damages vascular cells for the first time. There’s been a growing consensus that SARS-CoV-2 affects the vascular system, but exactly how it did so was not understood. Similarly, scientists studying other coronaviruses have long suspected that the spike protein contributed to damaging vascular endothelial cells, but this is the first time the process has been documented.

In the new study, the researchers created a “pseudovirus” that was surrounded by SARS-CoV-2 classic crown of spike proteins, but did not contain any actual virus. Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model—proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease. Tissue samples showed inflammation in endothelial cells lining the pulmonary artery walls.

The team then replicated this process in the lab, exposing healthy endothelial cells (which line arteries) to the spike protein. They showed that the spike protein damaged the cells by binding ACE2. This binding disrupted ACE2’s molecular signaling to mitochondria (organelles that generate energy for cells), causing the mitochondria to become damaged and fragmented.

Previous studies have shown a similar effect when cells were exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, but this is the first study to show that the damage occurs when cells are exposed to the spike protein on its own.

“If you remove the replicating capabilities of the virus, it still has a major damaging effect on the vascular cells, simply by virtue of its ability to bind to this ACE2 receptor, the S protein receptor, now famous thanks to COVID,” Manor explains. “Further studies with mutant spike proteins will also provide new insight towards the infectivity and severity of mutant SARS CoV-2 viruses.”

Yuyang Lei, et.al. “SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Impairs Endothelial Function via Downregulation of ACE 2”, Circulation Research. (2021)
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902
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« Reply #12188 on: May 03, 2021, 04:55:08 AM »
Not the kind of paper I want to be reading when I'm looking at taking a booster shot full of spike proteins every year for the foreseeable future.
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« Reply #12189 on: May 03, 2021, 05:18:59 AM »
That thought crossed my mind, also  :-\
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« Reply #12190 on: May 03, 2021, 06:31:21 AM »
NYC's worst-hit zipcode in terms of deaths now has a total population fatality rate of .95%.

As a city its excess death toll is around 32-33K. This is ~.4%.

Lima is at 81,100 excess deaths with a population of 9.5 million. It is approaching a total population death rate of .9%, which would make it the second-worst zipcode in NYC, but as its entire population.

I do believe Lima is the worst-hit city in the world at this point in terms of excess deaths, and it may go above 1% of the total population. In fact its per capita excess deaths have now surpassed the worst-hit US city in the 1918 pandemic, Pittsburgh.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/05/22/second-wave-coronavirus-spanish-flu-1918-philadelphia-st-louis-influenza-deaths-covid-19/3085405001/



NYC's death toll is about 20% lower than the 1918 pandemic on a per capita basis, and in the US, NYC's per capita toll is the highest of any major city for COVID. However, it looks like many global cities (Mexico City, who knows how many others besides Lima) are now surpassing and exceeding the worst totals of the 1918 Pandemic as observed in the US.

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« Reply #12191 on: May 03, 2021, 06:47:01 AM »
Soon, for  a small fee, Big Pharm will be glad to sell you a pill against effects of their vaccine ...

And a pill to mitigate effects of the first pill ...

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« Reply #12193 on: May 03, 2021, 10:31:52 AM »
Soon, for  a small fee, Big Pharm will be glad to sell you a pill against effects of their vaccine ...

And a pill to mitigate effects of the first pill ...

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Don't say that, sidd. They are the heroes in the war against nature, right there in the frontline with the GMO, AI and nuclear energy heroes. Technology will defeat disease and death. Please, wrap me in plastic and chemicals, put my brain in a computer, shoot me to Mars.
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« Reply #12194 on: May 03, 2021, 02:05:11 PM »
Soon, for  a small fee, Big Pharm will be glad to sell you a pill against effects of their vaccine ...

And a pill to mitigate effects of the first pill ...

sidd

Don't say that, sidd. They are the heroes in the war against nature, right there in the frontline with the GMO, AI and nuclear energy heroes. Technology will defeat disease and death. Please, wrap me in plastic and chemicals, put my brain in a computer, shoot me to Mars.
And now Big Pharma are heroes, there no need to talk any more about opioids, described in today's Guardian as "the worst drug epidemic in US history."

Mind you, I have just had my 2nd jab, for which I am grateful, being in an at-risk category.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/03/us-opioid-crisis-west-virginia-drug-giants-trial
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« Reply #12195 on: May 03, 2021, 03:46:07 PM »
Soon, for  a small fee, Big Pharm will be glad to sell you a pill against effects of their vaccine ...

And a pill to mitigate effects of the first pill ...

sidd

Don't say that, sidd. They are the heroes in the war against nature, right there in the frontline with the GMO, AI and nuclear energy heroes. Technology will defeat disease and death. Please, wrap me in plastic and chemicals, put my brain in a computer, shoot me to Mars.

How many times have you used medications to recover from illness, or stop infections?
Medicines have stopped some of the worst kinds of infections that are entirely preventable.

I, for one, am glad something a minor as diarrhea doesn't kill half as many people as it once did. I have bought over-the-counter medications for this exact problem to save a 3 year olds life.... we think little of these things when they are easily bought. And yet you sit there and mock the very things that have done so much good.

Why are you even here? You are so entitled with your opinion and seem to have little idea of what it is like to not have the things you take for granted.

Covid isn't a terrible disease, but it is bad enough, and a simple vaccine that prevents the disease and the consequences of getting it is below you. Why are you like this?

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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12196 on: May 03, 2021, 04:34:38 PM »
There are 3 classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see

Insensible before the wave so soon released by callous fate. Affected most, they understand the least, and understanding, when it comes, invariably arrives too late

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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12197 on: May 03, 2021, 04:38:03 PM »
Indian Industry Body Urges Curbs to Economic Activity to Save Lives
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indias-covid-19-cases-rise-by-392488-health-ministry-2021-05-02/

A leading Indian industry body urged authorities to take the “strongest national steps” and to curtail economic activity to save lives on Sunday as the country battles surging coronavirus cases that have overwhelmed the healthcare system.

The rate of new infections dipped marginally but deaths kept climbing. Authorities reported 392,488 new cases in the previous 24 hours, pushing total cases to 19.56 million. Deaths jumped by a record 3,689, taking the overall toll to 215,542.

Billionaire Uday Kotak, managing director of Kotak Mahindra Bank, said a "maximal response measure at the highest level is called for to cut the transmission links", as building healthcare infrastructure will take time.

He was speaking on behalf of the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII), where he is the president.

"At this critical juncture when toll of lives is rising, CII urges the strongest national steps including curtailing economic activity to reduce suffering,” Kotak said in a statement.

Concerned about the economic impact of shutting down the economy, Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government is reluctant to impose a national lockdown. At least 11 states and union territories have imposed some form of restrictions.

The Indian Express newspaper reported on Sunday that the country's COVID-19 taskforce has advised the federal government to impose a national lockdown.

Reuters reported on Saturday that a forum of scientific advisers set up by the government warned Indian officials in early March of a new and more contagious variant of the coronavirus taking hold in the country.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-scientists-say-india-government-ignored-warnings-amid-coronavirus-2021-05-01/
There are 3 classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see

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« Reply #12198 on: May 03, 2021, 04:45:27 PM »

Is vaccinating someone with covid the worst thing in terms of putting most pressure on the virus to mutate?

Absolutely no. Vaccinations does NOT increase pressure to mutate.

Vaccinations only restricts mutation by restricting duplications.


The only thing exerting pressure to mutate is mutation rate. The more it mutates the more likely random chance changes a fragment of code. 

Code that is not exposed to adverse agents like vaccines (or antibiotics in the case of bacteria) might or might not develop a resistance, but unless it is tested it won’t be known, so most mutations just get lost in the noise.


This should be verifiable. Mutation rate should increase with number of new cases and decrease with number of vaccinations.

I am an energy reservoir seemingly intent on lowering entropy for self preservation.

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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #12199 on: May 03, 2021, 05:36:25 PM »
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the war against nature... Technology will defeat disease and death
I get that you are (or seem to be) very angry about the whole thing and are in essence throwing random bombs at this thread from time to time, but anyway:
If nature means having 8 children, half of them dying before the age of 5, and having a life expectancy of 40, I for one am glad technology exists.
Is technology the all-saver? Sure as hell not. Is Big Pharma a bunch of saints? Of course not. Should we extend any and all life forever? No. But a simple vaccine to prevent the rather nasty Covid-19? Sure, I'll take it gladly and thank the researchers who managed to invent mRNA technology.