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Re: The American Progressive Movement
« Reply #100 on: May 19, 2020, 10:07:23 PM »
Biden says he would scrap the permit for the Keystone XL pipeline.


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« Reply #101 on: May 20, 2020, 05:47:41 AM »
Moderates in swing districts are joining with progressives on paycheck protection against Pelosi's wishes.

https://theintercept.com/2020/05/19/heroes-act-paycheck-bill-democrats/

The competition to lead Democrats in the House could get pretty tense in the next Congress.

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« Reply #102 on: May 20, 2020, 08:37:44 PM »
Not to mention what might happen should they lose 15 more seats.

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Re: The American Progressive Movement
« Reply #103 on: May 21, 2020, 01:37:50 AM »
Can we spend trillions on saving the planet? Or is that just reserved for rich people that dominate the politics?
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« Reply #104 on: May 21, 2020, 02:36:08 AM »
Editorial letter from black progressive organizer Philip Agnew on the work that progressives need to do in the black community to gain their confidence that they can deliver on their agenda.

https://inthesetimes.com/article/22507/Bernie-Sanders-black-voters-electability-2020-election

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« Reply #105 on: May 21, 2020, 02:54:41 AM »
Editorial letter from black progressive organizer Philip Agnew on the work that progressives need to do in the black community to gain their confidence that they can deliver on their agenda.

https://inthesetimes.com/article/22507/Bernie-Sanders-black-voters-electability-2020-election
I hate Fucks news, but when they say that "progressives" keep playing the race card, they are right!

We are all people! Black, white, orange or green... We are all people!!!!!!!!

We are not apes, ants, or worms (that's debatable)
WE ARE ALL PEOPLE!!!

So please stop dividing us into narrow spaces that are only created to spur division...
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« Reply #106 on: May 21, 2020, 04:11:23 AM »
Sen. Sanders and Rep. Jayapal put forth proposal to cover all health care expenses for the duration of the Covid-19 crisis. An interim version of Medicare For All.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/04/10/sanders-and-jayapal-put-forth-bill-provide-no-cost-health-care-all-during-pandemic

Chances of Pelosi letting anything like this come to a vote are close to zero. McConnell would never allow this to be voted on. Still, its important to keep pushing and exposing the corruption.


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« Reply #107 on: May 21, 2020, 04:50:15 AM »
Sen. Sanders and Rep. Jayapal put forth proposal to cover all health care expenses for the duration of the Covid-19 crisis. An interim version of Medicare For All.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/04/10/sanders-and-jayapal-put-forth-bill-provide-no-cost-health-care-all-during-pandemic

Chances of Pelosi letting anything like this come to a vote are close to zero. McConnell would never allow this to be voted on. Still, its important to keep pushing and exposing the corruption.
You've got a con man who's never had an honest days work in his entire miserable greedy ol' pathetic lonely life pretending to be a President, and you're still posting messages from the other side of the greedy bunch that get rich by his policies and run a network (MSNBC) that's never showing the suffering of the Americannot people?


WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

We don't need trillions to save "the economy". We need trillions to save humanity and mother nature...
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Re: The American Progressive Movement
« Reply #108 on: May 21, 2020, 02:47:31 PM »
Can we spend trillions on saving the planet? Or is that just reserved for rich people that dominate the politics?

Probably the latter.

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Re: The American Progressive Movement
« Reply #109 on: May 23, 2020, 03:31:49 AM »
Biden releases highlights of his tax policy which show modest incremental movement in the progressive direction.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/democratic-presidential-candidates-tax-plans-effect-wealthy-wall-street-affect-2020-1-1028865128#former-vice-president-joe-biden-is-pushing-for-a-smaller-expansion-of-government-compared-to-his-progressive-rivals-but-it-would-also-be-paid-for-with-taxes-on-the-very-rich-3

Let's evaluate....

1) Roll back the Trump tax cuts and raise the corporate tax rate to 28%.

This is the bare minimum that the corporate Democratic brand has to offer in order to differentiate from the GOP after years of complaining about the GOP tax giveaway. Corporate tax rates were 35% prior to Trump .

2) Widen the child-care tax credit to $8,000.

Current credit is $2k so this is a major incremental subsidy to working families who make moderate to high income. Short of the universal pre-k that progressives would like.

3) Restore top individual tax rate to 39.6%.

Current top rate is 37%. Not much in and of itself, but #5 below makes up for it.

4) Expand renewable-energy tax credits and deductions, and scrap fossil fuel subsidies.

Baby steps in the right direction. Far short of the Green New Deal needed to prevent climate apocalypse and also be instrumental in resurrecting a post Covid economy.

5) Make all income subject to payroll taxes to protect Social Security.

This is a winner. Progressives will actually be happy with this. That's an additional 12% going toward social programs on the incremental salary.

6) Expand earned-income tax credit to older employees.

7) Tax capital gains equivalent to ordinary income for employees earning over $1 million.

Ummm... there seems to be a carve-out here for non-employees (professional investors and the uber-wealthy). The oligarchy won't be threatened by this.

8) Create tax credits for smaller businesses adopting savings plans in their workplaces.

9) Amazon should pay income taxes

Awaiting details.....

Summary...this is tax policy only and represents pre-election posturing. Removing the social security cap would represent a major tax increase on high earners. That's a plus, but there is nothing here that fundamentally changes things for the super rich. The American public strongly supports a wealth tax and this just illustrates how much control the oligarchs have over the electoral process.

More details needed on how Biden's plan for infrastructure priorities, economic stimulus, etc.

In the absence of a thread dedicated to a potential Biden Administration, this seems like the best place to comment on stuff like this as it shows what progressives are up against.

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Re: The American Progressive Movement
« Reply #110 on: May 23, 2020, 07:05:53 AM »
Re: Biden tax policy

1 )these have to be passed in legislature, president can do little
2) we should believe senator from MBNA because ...?

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Re: The American Progressive Movement
« Reply #111 on: May 23, 2020, 08:28:27 AM »

Summary...this is tax policy only and represents pre-election posturing. Removing the social security cap would represent a major tax increase on high earners. That's a plus, but there is nothing here that fundamentally changes things for the super rich. The American public strongly supports a wealth tax and this just illustrates how much control the oligarchs have over the electoral process.

More details needed on how Biden's plan for infrastructure priorities, economic stimulus, etc.

In the absence of a thread dedicated to a potential Biden Administration, this seems like the best place to comment on stuff like this as it shows what progressives are up against.

Nice summary, thanks.  These are significant steps in a progressive direction, though not sufficient in themselves.  Overall, we should applaud these policy proposals.  Being modest in scope may be a political necessity in an election, but a base to build upon none the less.

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Re: The American Progressive Movement
« Reply #112 on: May 23, 2020, 09:56:16 AM »
Re: Biden tax policy

1 )these have to be passed in legislature, president can do little
2) we should believe senator from MBNA because ...?

sidd

Progressives don't trust Biden and there is no reason to. He'll still probably get the progressive vote because he is running against Trump.

We have to apply all of the leverage that we can just as the Great Depression provided leverage to enact the New Deal under FDR. At some point, we can hope that the combination of economic malaise and climate outlook force even centrists to understand that a Green New Deal is necessary.

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« Reply #113 on: May 23, 2020, 02:22:52 PM »
Biden is not a progressive.  Expecting him to enact progressive policy is foolhardy.  Thinking that we need action akin to that of the Great Depression is similar.  We are not in the same boat.  The green new deal lacked support before the virus outbreak.  It is unlikely to gain support now.  People are looking for protection from this infection and ways to restart the economy.  Other actions must necessarily take a a back seat.  If Biden were to pursue anything else, his chance for election diminishes.

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« Reply #114 on: May 23, 2020, 03:22:39 PM »
Biden is not a progressive.  Expecting him to enact progressive policy is foolhardy.  Thinking that we need action akin to that of the Great Depression is similar.  We are not in the same boat.  The green new deal lacked support before the virus outbreak.  It is unlikely to gain support now.  People are looking for protection from this infection and ways to restart the economy.  Other actions must necessarily take a a back seat.  If Biden were to pursue anything else, his chance for election diminishes.

Biden is not an authoritarian monolith. He's a corporate Democrat who has represented the interests of probably ten or twenty thousand wealthy or otherwise influential insiders and donors

The system may not seem dynamic in the short run, but a hundred year peak in inequality, Covid-19 and climate breakdown are making the status quo unsustainable. There is a huge baby bust in the US as increasing #'s of young people can't afford kids or don't have enough confidence in the future to have them.

There is some recognition that the milquetoast policies of Obama led to the election of a demagogue in Trump and the need to address the needs of the working poor. Biden will move left simply because he has to in order to govern. His proposal to remove the wage cap on social security taxes is a genuine move left. His proposal to end fossil fuel subsidies and create credits for renewables and child care are moves to the left.

I would ask you to identify the criteria for defining a depression and why you rule out the possibility of needing similar government intervention to the New Deal to get us out of the malaise triggered by Covid. We have food lines and hunger in the US and food banks are getting tapped out.

You have a fair # of billionaires who are acknowledging that the inequality problem and safety net must be addressed. They don't want to see guillotine levels of public angst. When the billionaires tell Biden he has to move left, he will. Those are the people he takes direction from.


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Re: The American Progressive Movement
« Reply #115 on: May 24, 2020, 04:25:47 PM »
The short definition of a depression is a prolonged recession, typically lasting two tears or longer.  We are currently at about two months.  The longer definition involves not just the length, but the breadth and depth.  To call this a depression now requires incredible foresight.  I have not heard of extensive food lines or hunger anywhere.

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Re: The American Progressive Movement
« Reply #116 on: May 24, 2020, 04:31:08 PM »
.. lasting two tears or longer...

Freudian slip for 600!
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« Reply #117 on: May 24, 2020, 04:59:25 PM »
The short definition of a depression is a prolonged recession, typically lasting two tears or longer.  We are currently at about two months.  The longer definition involves not just the length, but the breadth and depth.  To call this a depression now requires incredible foresight.  I have not heard of extensive food lines or hunger anywhere.

NYC distributing 1 million meals a day.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-deliver-one-million-meals-per-day-combat-coronavirus-food-shortage

America's hunger crisis amid covid-19

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/11/21233063/food-banks-snap-coronavirus

1 in 4 Americans struggle with hunger amid coronavirus

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/amid-coronavirus-one-in-four-americans-project-to-struggle-with-hunger-2020-05-04