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« Reply #200 on: July 14, 2020, 09:19:20 PM »
GREAT NEWS !!!!! Biden has announced a $2 trillion climate infrastructure plan.

https://www.axios.com/joe-biden-clean-energy-plan-7082826b-4836-4164-a8ca-74ce911b2d03.html

It's a nice milestone. The Democratic establishment has now completed the process which commenced a few weeks ago with Pelosi's climate select committee 500+ page climate plan and the Sanders-Biden Unity Task Force recommendations.

This isn't victory, just a step in the right direction.

The resistance is alive and well and the cavalry is coming. Certainly later than ideal, but we're not dwelling in the past. If life gives us lemons, some of us are going to will ourselves to be enthusiastic about lemonade.

Hope springs eternal !!!

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« Reply #201 on: July 14, 2020, 09:43:23 PM »
Count me surprised.
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« Reply #202 on: July 14, 2020, 11:08:08 PM »
Count me surprised.

“Never underestimate the power of a small group of committed people to change the world. In fact, it is the only thing that ever has.”
~ Margaret Mead

If we truly commit, we have more power than we dare imagine.

Bernie didn't lose the primary. He won the battles of ideas. The corporate media was able to persuade enough people to be afraid of Bernie himself losing to Trump, but they didn't succeed in killing support for his policies.

The fire is lit and burning strong and it cannot be infinitely compressed. History is a guide and full of examples of transformation. These things are hard to see coming because they only happen once or twice per century and humans tend to only factor in things they have personal experience with.

The force of the BLM protests is an example of the power of the current rising zeitgeist. This is not a blip. The tide is turning.

There is no downside to fighting back against doomism with all you've got. Worst case you go out as a warrior and die fighting like the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. Much better than the slog to Auschwitz. When you internalize that message, it's a no brainer which outlook provides a better quality of life.

Find your inner jedi knight.

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« Reply #203 on: July 15, 2020, 08:48:32 PM »
Another progressive prevails in a Democratic House primary. Donna Imam in TX-31.  :)

She'll be an underdog in the general election and a 9 term GOP incumbent, but an upset is possible.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/507072-donna-imam-wins-democratic-primary-to-faces-sen-john-cornyn

Imam supports UBI in addition to other progressive issues so she had Yang Gang support on her side.

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« Reply #204 on: July 15, 2020, 08:59:51 PM »
Another progressive House primary winner in Texas, Mike Siegel.

Similar story, he'll be an underdog with a chance. He lost by 4 points in the 2018 general to the Gooper.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/507090-mike-siegel-wins-democratic-runoff-to-face-rep-michael-mccaul-in-rematch

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« Reply #205 on: July 17, 2020, 02:11:35 AM »
Democratic Socialist Marcela Mitaynes beats a 26 year incumbent in the primary for a NY state assembly seat.

Progressives are building a bench.

https://www.brooklynpaper.com/breaking-democratic-socialist-wins-sunset-park-assembly-seat-26-year-incumbent-concedes/

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« Reply #206 on: July 17, 2020, 06:49:02 PM »
Bernie on PBS responding to left criticism of Biden.




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« Reply #207 on: July 21, 2020, 09:44:48 AM »
The American progressive movement just lost an immensely important voice.

Rest in peace, Michael Brooks.

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« Reply #208 on: July 21, 2020, 04:50:49 PM »
Best of Michael Brooks: Impressions

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« Reply #209 on: July 21, 2020, 09:21:16 PM »
Remembering Michael Brooks (1983 - 2020)

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« Reply #210 on: July 22, 2020, 09:51:41 PM »
Gray at currentaffairs: Having principles is not an indulgence.

"when you set the bar low, you tend to attract things that slither and crawl.  "

"the urgent desire to beat Trump—an urgency I share—has given rise to an approach to politics that refuses to admit error, concede flaw, or consider improvement."

"The Republican establishment ultimately coalesced around Trump because they believed he would protect the most fundamental conservative economic interests. "

"The problem is that corporate Democrats serve the same masters, but must operate under a veil of pretense."

" The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republican messaging aligns straightforwardly with their economic goals ... Democrats attempt to disguise that they’re offering versions of the same wrapped in rainbow flags and kente cloth ... For Republican corporate donors to be happy, Republicans must win, and they do. For Democratic corporate donors to be happy, Democrats must lose. And they do. "

“The orange man is bad, and you have nowhere else to go. Now, would you like a hug? No free healthcare but we offer free hugs here.”

" Biden declines to support popular progressive policies because, frankly, he, and the people who run his campaign, are paid not to. "

"The front of the line is always filled with people whose pockets are filled."

"If we all “vote blue no matter who,” what incentive does Biden have to listen to anyone not holding the checkbook?"

"Voting blue may be necessary, but that doesn’t mean the vote can’t be contingent upon adoption of popular, progressive policies. "

" the moral onus for a Trump win is being framed in a way that puts the full burden of a Trump win on voters. Don’t criticize Biden, we’re told, and vote for him no matter what because Trump is much worse and he cannot be allowed to win."

" it could be framed differently. For example one could argue: “Biden will be more electable, draw stronger contrasts with Trump, and encourage more voter participation if he moves left. And until he does, I withhold my vote. If he loses, it will be because of his choice to put donors over voters. He alone will be responsible.”"

"If the presidency is important, it matters that Biden isn’t just a relatively “better” president, but a good one. "

"many can’t forget the feeling, cultivated by Sanders’ movement, that a better world was possible and that yes, they deserved it. And frankly, they shouldn’t ever forget. "

" each time a corporate Democrat attempts to disavow us of our principles by smearing our values as  unreasonable “litmus tests”—each time they tell us that a policy implemented the world over is “pie in the sky,” that demanding healthcare as a human right is akin to whining for “a pony,” that women’s rights are conditional on who the woman is and how powerful the man is that she’s crossed—we lose our ethical moorings."

"“Vote blue no matter who” lowers the floor of what Democrats stand for to a hair’s breadth above Trump’s scalp."

"Donald Trump presents a unique and grevious threat to this country. But it’s also true that every four years we’re told the same. "

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/07/in-defense-of-litmus-tests

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« Reply #211 on: July 22, 2020, 10:13:48 PM »
While there appears to be much truth in that quote, I find some to be quite questionable.  If Biden moves left, that will not necessarily lead to greater voter participation.  While it may cause more on the left to vote for him, he will likely lose an equal number in the center, who will not just withhold their vote for him, but possibly vote for Trump.  This is a double whammy. 

People will vote for which candidate they think is better, not just 'good.'  How do you think Trump got elected in the first place?

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« Reply #212 on: July 22, 2020, 11:39:20 PM »
I do not think orange won the election so much as Hillary lost it. At the time people were not saying what a wonderful president he would make. They were concerned about what a horrible president she would make. To many I know she came across as vindictive and corrupt and not because she was a woman like she claimed. The republican base was energized by keeping her out of office. It is ironic that orange is the most vindictive and corrupt president in history. He has developed a cult like following since then but that was after the election. The extremely wealthy have learned you do not have to interfere with the election you just have to pick both candidates.

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« Reply #213 on: July 23, 2020, 12:24:43 AM »
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People will vote for which candidate they think is better, not just 'good.'  How do you think Trump got elected in the first place?
So it wasn't that the voters thought Trump was good but that they thought he was less bad?
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« Reply #214 on: July 23, 2020, 12:57:34 AM »
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People will vote for which candidate they think is better, not just 'good.'  How do you think Trump got elected in the first place?
So it wasn't that the voters thought Trump was good but that they thought he was less bad?
In my part of the country yes. Frankly nobody I know knew much about  him he was not generating much interest. Things have changed. Orange does have a following now. But he has developed a stronger opposition. Nobody I know has much good to say about Biden other than at least he is not orange. We desperately need election law reforms to eliminate this duopoly. Having more than two parties would put more pressure on the parties to put up better candidates. IMO most of the elections in the last 20 years or so have been about the less bad candidate rather than a good/great candidate. Biden's campaign strategy seems to be the less they know about me the better my chances. It is probably true. The media claims he can not get the attention he wants but I think that is just spin. The only real hope is he selects a good vice president then resigns/gets too sick/dies. That may just be his campaign strategy it is hard to tell.

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« Reply #215 on: July 23, 2020, 04:36:25 AM »
I do not think orange won the election so much as Hillary lost it. At the time people were not saying what a wonderful president he would make. They were concerned about what a horrible president she would make. To many I know she came across as vindictive and corrupt and not because she was a woman like she claimed. The republican base was energized by keeping her out of office. It is ironic that orange is the most vindictive and corrupt president in history. He has developed a cult like following since then but that was after the election. The extremely wealthy have learned you do not have to interfere with the election you just have to pick both candidates.

I agree that is how he won or rather she lost.  Perhaps I should have said that people will vote against whichever candidate they feel is worse.

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« Reply #216 on: July 23, 2020, 07:18:52 AM »
Frankly nobody I know knew much about  him he was not generating much interest.

Interstitial, is that really so? They never heard of the central park five and him smearing them with millions out of his own pocket? They didn't know about the birther conspiracy of which he was one of the leading figures? They didn't pick up on his rampant racism?

Not trying to make a point here, genuinely curious.
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« Reply #217 on: July 23, 2020, 09:52:21 AM »
Most of the people around me are republican. That is what I heard from people around here. Many of them still think Obama was not born in the us. Many only knew him(orange) from his TV show and they talked about how it would be good if he went around the government and fired people for corruption and the like. I had someone recently tell me the main purpose of environmental regulation is to create too much of a burden on small business so they can not compete with huge corporations. They also blame it for income inequality and a host of other things. Environmental regulations are also an excuse to micro manage your life. Listening to both sides you almost wonder if the same topics are being discussed there not really. Both sides are corrupted.
Mostly they keep a public dialogue about hot button issues going while they pass whatever laws the uber rich tell them to. Most of the time lawmakers are not even considering the topics covered in the media. I could go on but before when I was posting politics I started to be angry all the time. I clearly need to stay away from these threads.

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« Reply #218 on: July 23, 2020, 10:02:14 AM »
Thanks, Interstitial, for your answer.
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« Reply #219 on: August 05, 2020, 09:31:43 PM »
HELL YEAH!

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