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Cannabis and Hemp
« on: May 25, 2020, 03:55:30 AM »
A general cannabis thread for usage, products, growing, history, stories etc.
I've included hemp because it is a variety of the same plant and has its own special usage, products, growing, history, stories etc.
(If hemp is discussed as technology, other related natural materials such as flax are on-topic)

Link to original topic "Can cannabis save the world?":
   https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3092.msg265470.html#msg265470
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Re: Cannabis and Hemp
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2020, 08:06:34 PM »
OK so the two things to consider.

1) How safe is the location. Does not matter when it is tiny but plants can disappear quickly around harvest.

The first student house i lived in was near a coffeeshop. A guy living there had grown a plant the previous year. It was really big at some point. Also in those days nobody locked the garden gate or the house. So the plant grew bigger then the fence and then somebody walked down the street to the coffeeshop and suddenly spotted a better deal and stole it.

Traditional tricks are hiding it in corn but that probably won´t work on a small plot.

I also made this guy a huge fake joint filled with a horrible concoction for sinterklaas (like santa claus but grown ups make crap presents for each other) and he told me it was his present 3rd year running.  8)

Another trick is to hide the plants in the woods but that does not always work either.

2) Because people find them and then they take them. But there is this problem of having to dry the plants. They stink so ideally you do not want to do this at home. Long ago in a universe far away somebody took some branches and dried them at home. Visually you can hide them in a closet but it stinks the place up.

I arrived at this house wondering about the smell and the size of the riot but everybody was ignoring it so i joined in. I have no idea how long the plants were or remained there but the neighbours did drop in a magazine about Blur being high in Amsterdam. What could that mean? Maybe it was an accident by the mail guy but no it was 2 or 3 weeks old so it was no delivery mistake. They could of course have asked the neighbours but they did not.

This always weirded me out because it was so easy to solve. Weed really stinks so you need some shed to dry it. Can´t do it at home especially when sharing a house.
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Re: Cannabis and Hemp
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2020, 09:00:27 PM »
Aren't roof tops relatively secure.

ACU has quite a crop growing above it right now, I hear.
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Re: Cannabis and Hemp
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2020, 09:58:29 PM »
I used to grow under lights using hydroponics in a  closet.
Four plants gave about 500 grams of dried bud.
Seedling to finished product  in eight weeks.
Cost a little for the power keeps your crop away from human pests.
You can get active carbon air filters that mostly eliminate the smell .
When I was growing it was using HPS lights you can now get LED's that are  cheaper to run have a longer service life, more targeted wavelengths and do not have the same amount of wasted energy as heat you must control .

We have a referendum here in NZ on recreational use in September this year .
Hopefully it passes so I can go back to smoking the herb rather than drinking poison for recreation.

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Re: Cannabis OR Hemp
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2020, 10:17:30 PM »
It can never be "Cannabis and Hemp", because they are both exactly the same thing.

Why did you close my cannabis thread Kassy? WTF?
Cannabis is not Off Topic! It belongs in Solutions!!!
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Re: Cannabis OR Hemp
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2020, 10:19:03 PM »
OK so the two things to consider.

1) How safe is the location. Does not matter when it is tiny but plants can disappear quickly around harvest.

The first student house i lived in was near a coffeeshop. A guy living there had grown a plant the previous year. It was really big at some point. Also in those days nobody locked the garden gate or the house. So the plant grew bigger then the fence and then somebody walked down the street to the coffeeshop and suddenly spotted a better deal and stole it.

Traditional tricks are hiding it in corn but that probably won´t work on a small plot.

I also made this guy a huge fake joint filled with a horrible concoction for sinterklaas (like santa claus but grown ups make crap presents for each other) and he told me it was his present 3rd year running.  8)

Another trick is to hide the plants in the woods but that does not always work either.

2) Because people find them and then they take them. But there is this problem of having to dry the plants. They stink so ideally you do not want to do this at home. Long ago in a universe far away somebody took some branches and dried them at home. Visually you can hide them in a closet but it stinks the place up.

I arrived at this house wondering about the smell and the size of the riot but everybody was ignoring it so i joined in. I have no idea how long the plants were or remained there but the neighbours did drop in a magazine about Blur being high in Amsterdam. What could that mean? Maybe it was an accident by the mail guy but no it was 2 or 3 weeks old so it was no delivery mistake. They could of course have asked the neighbours but they did not.

This always weirded me out because it was so easy to solve. Weed really stinks so you need some shed to dry it. Can´t do it at home especially when sharing a house.
So now the ASIF forum is becoming a weed growers forum?
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Re: Cannabis OR Hemp
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2020, 10:32:31 PM »

So now the ASIF forum is becoming a weed growers forum?

I wouldn't object.  But we already have a gardening thread.  Posts could go there.

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Re: Cannabis OR Hemp
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2020, 10:35:33 PM »

So now the ASIF forum is becoming a weed growers forum?

I wouldn't object.  But we already have a gardening thread.  Posts could go there.
I created a cannabis thread as a solution to climate change. If you want to make this the weed growers corner, go ahead! I love it!!! But don't close my cannabis thread in solutions! Let's keep getting high and solving the climate crisis separate.
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Re: Cannabis and Hemp
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2020, 08:12:58 AM »
I think it is good to have a separate off-topic thread to prevent the gardening thread from cluttering.
Cannabis and industrial hemp are no solutions to the climate crisis I think but could be part of a better way of living (natural materials) and thinking/recreating (high/stoned) without many harmful side-effects.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp
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Hemp, or industrial hemp, is a variety of the Cannabis sativa plant species that is grown specifically for the industrial uses of its derived products.[1] It is one of the fastest growing plants[2] and was one of the first plants to be spun into usable fiber 50,000 years ago.[3] It can be refined into a variety of commercial items, including paper, textiles, clothing, biodegradable plastics, paint, insulation, biofuel, food, and animal feed.[4][5]

Although cannabis as a drug and industrial hemp both derive from the species Cannabis sativa and contain the psychoactive component tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), they are distinct strains with unique phytochemical compositions and uses.
(bolding by me)
New strains are C.Indica and C.Ruderalis, and there are many hybrids.

Validation as separate thread.
As I don't have the money for a hydroponic setup and filters, the suggestions and experiences here are much appreciated. I have the impression that many on this forum use recreational cannabis so there is a platform of shared interests. That should be enough to validate this thread. Apart from that, the technological application of hemp/flax/etc can be discussed here and information posted. Freegrass can use this thread to post his knowledge and information.
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Re: Cannabis
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2020, 09:52:52 AM »
I think it is good to have a separate off-topic thread to prevent the gardening thread from cluttering.
Cannabis and industrial hemp are no solutions to the climate crisis I think but could be part of a better way of living (natural materials) and thinking/recreating (high/stoned) without many harmful side-effects.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp
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Hemp, or industrial hemp, is a variety of the Cannabis sativa plant species that is grown specifically for the industrial uses of its derived products.[1] It is one of the fastest growing plants[2] and was one of the first plants to be spun into usable fiber 50,000 years ago.[3] It can be refined into a variety of commercial items, including paper, textiles, clothing, biodegradable plastics, paint, insulation, biofuel, food, and animal feed.[4][5]

Although cannabis as a drug and industrial hemp both derive from the species Cannabis sativa and contain the psychoactive component tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), they are distinct strains with unique phytochemical compositions and uses.
(bolding by me)
New strains are C.Indica and C.Ruderalis, and there are many hybrids.

Validation as separate thread.
As I don't have the money for a hydroponic setup and filters, the suggestions and experiences here are much appreciated. I have the impression that many on this forum use recreational cannabis so there is a platform of shared interests. That should be enough to validate this thread. Apart from that, the technological application of hemp/flax/etc can be discussed here and information posted. Freegrass can use this thread to post his knowledge and information.
Industrial hemp IS Cannabis.
I've been involved in legalization for 30 years. You don't need to teach me anything about cannabis. I just wonder why the thread I started and that had 34 messages had to be closed. Why not just move it? Why create a new thread? What was wrong with the one I made? We don't need another place to talk about smoking weed. We need a place to talk about saving this planet.
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Re: Cannabis and Hemp
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2020, 10:23:23 AM »
To Freegrass, I suggest that it is best if you further write about your unhappiness with this situation, regarding the closed thread, via a PM to moderator kassy or in the Forum Decorum-thread.

I want to ask you if you would please stop with quoting the whole previous discussion when making a post. Here it is just a copy of the post directly above and quoting the whole post doesn't have any positive function.
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Re: Cannabis and Hemp
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2020, 03:52:01 PM »
U.S.
Hemp was supposed to boost farmers. It’s turned out to be a flop.
Oversupply and a lack of federal rules led to trouble for the industry.
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Hemp has friends in high places, namely Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell [of Kentucky].

But the crop he championed in an attempt to boost ailing agriculture is at a low point.

Farmers and manufacturers who wanted to capitalize on the frenzy around CBD, which comes from hemp, were lured into the industry after Congress passed the 2018 farm bill. It legalized cultivation of the crop, a low-potency sibling of marijuana. Hemp acreage in the U.S. more than tripled from 2018 to 2019. McConnell was a driving force behind legalization.

“It was a mad rush,” said Colorado Agriculture Commissioner Kate Greenberg.

But the boom has quickly turned into a bust.

In recent months, several CBD businesses declared bankruptcy — including GenCanna, a hemp processing facility in Winchester, Ky., that McConnell visited in April of last year.
...
CBD remains unregulated by the FDA. Consumers are left with conflicting messages about the legality of hemp products while unscrupulous businesses tout CBD as a potential treatment for every illness under the sun, including the coronavirus.

States have written their own jumble of rules to contain the mess. The decline in investor interest in the cannabis sector last year led to financial troubles for businesses focused on expansion over profitability. ...
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/25/hemp-farmers-275046
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Re: Cannabis and Hemp
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2020, 08:53:22 AM »
Copied this post by Vox from the Archeology/Paleontology thread as a reminder that the recreational use of cannabis has been in civilisation for a very long time.

New Research Reveals Cannabis and Frankincense at the Judahite Shrine of Biblical Arad
https://phys.org/news/2020-05-reveals-cannabis-frankincense-judahite-shrine.html

Analysis of the material on two Iron Age altars discovered at the entrance to the "holy of holies" of a shrine at Tel Arad in the Beer-sheba Valley, Israel, were found to contain Cannabis and Frankincense, according to new article in the journal, Tel Aviv.

Past excavations revealed two superimposed fortresses, dated to the 9th to early 6th centuries BCE, which guarded the southern border of biblical Judah. Highly important Iron Age finds were unearthed, including a well-preserved shrine that was dated to ca. 750-715 BCE.

Two limestone altars (the smaller altar is 40 cm high and about 20 × 20 cm at the top; the larger is about 50 cm high and 30 × 30 cm at the top) were found lying at the entrance to the "holy of holies" of the shrine.

Evidently, they had played an important role in the cult practices of the shrine. An unidentified black solidified organic material was preserved on the altars' surfaces. Past analysis of these materials failed to identify their content and this dark material was recently submitted to organic residue analysis by modern methods.

The study reveals that on the smaller altar cannabis had been mixed with animal dung to facilitate heating, while the larger altar contained traces of frankincense that was mixed with animal fat to promote evaporation.

These unique findings shed new light on cult practices in biblical Judah, suggesting cannabis was used here as a deliberate psychoactive, to stimulate ecstasy as part of cultic ceremonies.

Lead author Eran Arie from The Israel Museum in Jerusalem commented, "This is the first time that cannabis has been identified in the Ancient Near East; Its use in the shrine must have played a central role in the cultic rituals performed there."



Eran Arie et al, Cannabis and Frankincense at the Judahite Shrine of Arad, Tel Aviv (2020).
http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/03344355.2020.1732046
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Re: Cannabis and Hemp
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2020, 08:53:40 AM »
Last Sunday I have put 3 seeds in separate 10cm square plastic cups after having made the compost-soil quite moist. Then a thin compost layer on top which I sprayed with water till moist. I have not touched the seeds.

The cups have holes in the bottom and that's the way I want to water them, plus a bit of spraying water on top when it has dried out in the sun. Now I am worrying that the capillary action will suck all the water into the soil, making it too wet.

I have put the cups in direct sunlight (behind the window) and shaded their sides. I use no heating in my house and the windows are always open.

Just now I have read that they mustn't be in direct sunlight and I wish that I haven't ruined my expensive 3 seeds already. I don't understand why they can't be in sunlight because the cups have been moist all the time, even after a day of full sunshine. I want to understand the process (why things are done in a certain way) and haven't, which is a bit frustrating.

To be cause,
I had expected some further help from you (I am in no way blaming you for my wrong actions btw) but that has not come about, to my regret. Something must be going wrong as I get no replies from PM and emails, even though you've written that you 'messaged a reply'. Dear be cause, I see that you're still active on the forum. Could you please enlighten me on the problem with our interaction?
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2020, 11:33:21 AM »
sorry nanning .. my detailed message went awol .. although I would not have mentioned direct sun .. I probably never met anyone who knew nothing about seeds and sowing .. esp with the world at ones fingertips .
  my message also explained that my heart was being awkward again .. rhythm gone to pot .. I'm tryin g to stay alive myself :) .
I usually have 0ne or more pages open on ASIF so I don't always start be seeing that I have new messages .
Please keep seeds moist . They would not know you are watering from the bottom .. nature does it from above .. until tap roots form and source water from depth . and moist is not 'wet' :)
 
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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2020, 02:14:05 PM »
Some local dutch site:
https://www.wietkweken.com/hoe-wietzaadjes-ontkiemen/#ontkiemen-in-aarde

Just now I have read that they mustn't be in direct sunlight and I wish that I haven't ruined my expensive 3 seeds already. I don't understand why they can't be in sunlight because the cups have been moist all the time, even after a day of full sunshine. I want to understand the process (why things are done in a certain way) and haven't, which is a bit frustrating.


As you can see on the link they need to be really moist to germinate and direct light probably dries out soil or other mediums to quickly (with the water method it would be ok).

They do say it takes takes 4 - 10 days so just keep it moist.

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Re: Cannabis and Hemp
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2020, 03:50:00 PM »
Thank you both.
I have already replied to be cause via PM (now I know it works again).

Your additional advice is appreciated kassy, as I am now comfortable with the fact that the surface of the soil of the cups has been moist all the time, even after two days of direct sunlight. I have taken them to a shaded new place.
So my understanding now is, when the surface is kept moist (quite) then eventually the seed will germinate. I may have put them upside down btw, I didn't look.

be cause, my warm thanks for your initial effort. And focus on your talents, your character, your understanding, your capacities. It can make you stronger and perhaps less vulnerable to more heart problems I think.

Edit: added last sentence for clarity
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2020, 04:15:16 PM »
The title of thread should be "The Weed Smokers Corner", and then I'll tell you all you need to know about growing weed. This is my baby growing in my garden right now. Seed went in the ground on April 20.
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2020, 02:06:13 AM »
Be cause, I hope you have given up on coffee and alcohol. If there is a plus side to a-tachycardia having an excuse to control some rather difficult habits is about the only one.  Sweet lemon logic.

Has anyone successfully feminized seeds ?  Is it possible to feminize seeds other than cannabis ?
I tried and failed last year . I don’t think you can start with a feminized seed to create a male plant .
I will try this year with a standard open pollinated seed.
Process is to spray colloidal  silver on a young female plant until male stigma forms and then pollinate the now hermaphrodite plant or use the pollen produced  on another female plant.  Advanced gardening technique for sure.  I am trying to think of another plant that feminized seed would advantage.

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2020, 05:00:29 AM »
Thank you for those photo's Freegrass and the dates of the photo's. Now I know better what to expect.

I have some questions for you because I'm a beginner:
Could you please tell me what the minimum/maximum temps are of your garden location? I guess you live at a lower latitude because you have successfully planted it outside in early may.
What kind of cannabis is it? Indica/sativa/hybrid? And how do you call them? WhiteWidow and NorthernLight are familiar names here but I presume that these names may not be an international standard.
Finally, how have you germinated them? In water and tissue paper or in compost-soil or other? I have some seeds left and may try another method for germination.

To all:
Is it important that the seeds are properly orientated in the soil i.e. that the pointy bit is sticking up? It is likely that I have put a seed upside down and am uncertain whether or not it will still germinate. Perhaps dig it up, check orientation and then reposition.
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2020, 06:14:39 AM »
Re: Perhaps dig it up

I would leave it alone, it's been there for a bit, getting used to things. Dont disturb is my attitude. The seed will right itself if surrounding is nice.

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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2020, 07:55:26 AM »
Thanks sidd. I'll leave them at their position and perhaps dance and whistle a little bit to entice them to come up.
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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2020, 07:53:52 AM »
Just now I noticed that 2 seeds have already germinated and grown above ground. I'm elated because I didn't expect it. Maybe my whistling and dancing lured them outside. I recommend whistling and dancing to my fellow gardeners.
The third seed was planted a day later (Sunday) and I think I see something appearing already.

Once the plants have a couple of leaves I will put them in the sun again whilst maintaining a moist soil condition.
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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2020, 09:31:01 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2020, 01:27:01 PM »
No it can't! 🧚‍♀️💞💝💫 The wheelchair doesn't cure the paralyzation...💓🧚‍♀️💗

Edit: The video is worth a watch anyway.
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“I’m an introvert. I’m just different that’s all. I’m so sorry. I don’t have a gun. I don’t do that stuff... All I was trying to do was to become better. I’ll do it... You all are phenomenal. You are beautiful. And I love you. Try to forgive me. I’m sorry.”

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Re: Cannabis and Hemp
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2020, 01:45:01 PM »
The CB1 Receptor and the Evolution of Humanity, Past, Present and Future

Dr. Robert J. Melamede talks about the "physics of life"
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation. - Herbert Spencer

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Re: Cannabis and Hemp
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2020, 02:44:01 PM »
Congrats. Did you peruse the link i provided above?

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