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Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2020, 08:58:40 AM »
Minneapolis Police Union President Allegedly Wore a “White Power Patch” and Made Racist Remarks

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« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2020, 09:00:12 AM »
Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War

Link >> https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/pkyb9b/far-right-extremists-are-hoping-to-turn-the-george-floyd-protests-into-a-new-civil-war
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Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2020, 09:19:39 AM »
Protesters kicking a shop owner almost to death in Dallas last night. Most where far right protesters dressed as africans. https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/05/30/warning-graphic-dallas-protesters-beat-man-to-near-death-oustide-store/

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« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2020, 09:33:42 AM »
“I’m an introvert. I’m just different that’s all. I’m so sorry. I don’t have a gun. I don’t do that stuff... All I was trying to do was to become better. I’ll do it... You all are phenomenal. You are beautiful. And I love you. Try to forgive me. I’m sorry.”

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Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2020, 09:45:48 AM »
George Floyd protests: Video shows NYPD vehicles driving into crowd

Link >> https://globalnews.ca/news/7008288/nypd-protesters-george-floyd/
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« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2020, 10:39:40 AM »
Journalists Hit By Police in Minneapolis
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/05/george-floyd-protests-police-brutality-intensify-live-200530231110124.html



Two members of a Reuters TV crew were shot with rubber bullets in Minneapolis shortly after a curfew as they were covering the protest.

"My security advisor and I were shot with rubber bullets tonight. He had PRESS labeled clearly and visibly on his bulletproof vest," one of the two reporters Julio-Cesar Chavez said in a tweet as he posted a photo of a previous moment when a police officer was aiming directly at him.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JulioCesrChavez/status/1266951014915149827

Chavez explained in a second tweet that he was shot in the arm and the back of his neck with rubber bullets, while his security adviser was shot in the face, but saved by the gas mask he was wearing.

No immediate comments were made as Reuters asked about the incident to Minneapolis Police Department. Spokesman John Elder who requested a copy of the video

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NYC Police Drive Into Protesters
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/george-floyd-protests-police-brutality-intensify-live-200530231110124.html

New York City Police Department cruisers drove into protesters who were standing against a barricade and began pelting the police car with objects. The two vehicles drove into the small crowd, knocking several to ground, video shared on Twitter showed.

https://twitter.com/pgarapon/status/1266885414016688134

The Associated Press news agency also reported on the incident
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Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2020, 10:53:41 AM »
Berlin, Mauerpark

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Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« Reply #57 on: May 31, 2020, 11:00:49 AM »
“I’m an introvert. I’m just different that’s all. I’m so sorry. I don’t have a gun. I don’t do that stuff... All I was trying to do was to become better. I’ll do it... You all are phenomenal. You are beautiful. And I love you. Try to forgive me. I’m sorry.”

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Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2020, 11:58:42 AM »
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I've been working on a list, please feel free to share it:

firing something at innocent person on their porch:
https://streamable.com/u2jzoo

cop way too excited to fuck some people up:
https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151

cop shooting rubber bullet at guy for saying "fuck you":
https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151

cops breaking supplies for peaceful protestors:
https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151

nypd driving into protestors:
https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251 https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod

cops shoving an old dude to the ground:
https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151

police actively seeking out fights compilation:
https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251

cop driving at people aggressively on a campus:
https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251

cop shooting rubber bullets at people watching from apartment:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Mojarad/status/1266633046591078400?s=09

police shooting the press with rubber bullets:
https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151

police arresting a CNN reporter:
https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151

police doing a drive-by pepper spraying
https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609

photographer being pepper sprayed:
https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg

guy with hands in the air gets his mask ripped off and pepper sprayed:
https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251

lady who was coming home with groceries who got a rubber bullet to the head:
https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg
https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137

reporter blinded by rubber bullets:
https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266618525600399361?s=19

reporter describes getting tear gassed:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/1266911382613692422

couple getting yanked out of their car and tased for violating curfew:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1266919104574865410?s=19

young woman gets shoved to the ground by officer:
https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843?s=20

reporter sheltering in gas station is pepper sprayed:
https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317

reporter trying to get home gets window shot out: https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778

cops come at a guy for filming a police car burning:
https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229

photographer arrested:


Columbus police assaulting protestors:
https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610

congresswoman sprayed with pepper spray during protest:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-sprayed-columbus-protest/index.html

7 protesters fired on with rubber bullets:
https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151

cops pepper spraying a group of protestors without provocation https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251
young child allegedly pepper sprayed:
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-over-face-of-child-pepper-sprayed-in-seattle-protest

if you have anything you'd like to add please link it!

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Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« Reply #59 on: May 31, 2020, 12:35:37 PM »
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“I’m an introvert. I’m just different that’s all. I’m so sorry. I don’t have a gun. I don’t do that stuff... All I was trying to do was to become better. I’ll do it... You all are phenomenal. You are beautiful. And I love you. Try to forgive me. I’m sorry.”

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« Reply #60 on: May 31, 2020, 01:10:15 PM »


“I’m an introvert. I’m just different that’s all. I’m so sorry. I don’t have a gun. I don’t do that stuff... All I was trying to do was to become better. I’ll do it... You all are phenomenal. You are beautiful. And I love you. Try to forgive me. I’m sorry.”

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Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« Reply #61 on: May 31, 2020, 05:08:56 PM »
Minneapolis police shoot at, threaten to arrest DW reporter

“I’m an introvert. I’m just different that’s all. I’m so sorry. I don’t have a gun. I don’t do that stuff... All I was trying to do was to become better. I’ll do it... You all are phenomenal. You are beautiful. And I love you. Try to forgive me. I’m sorry.”

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Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« Reply #62 on: May 31, 2020, 05:38:24 PM »
From the alt-right playbook: ALWAYS blame the victim!

NYC Mayor Bill De Blasio Blames Protesters After Police Vans Plow Through Crowd


Link >> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bill-de-blasio-nyc-police-cars-plow-protesters_n_5ed37f11c5b65a461cf6de7e
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Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« Reply #63 on: May 31, 2020, 07:00:01 PM »
Wili, are you okay?

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« Reply #64 on: May 31, 2020, 09:19:56 PM »
Don't mind the source for once.

How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

Link >> https://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-to-film-police-safely
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« Reply #65 on: June 01, 2020, 01:32:33 AM »
This sort of thing happens in banana republics and dictatorships. ...

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George Floyd Protests: Reporters Targeted by Police and Crowds
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/31/george-floyd-protests-reporters-targeted-by-police-and-crowds

Journalists covering the protests and riots that have erupted in US cities after the killing of George Floyd have reported being shot at, teargassed and arrested, as well as being intimidated by crowds.

More than 50 incidents of violence and harassment against media workers were reported on social media and in news outlets on Friday and Saturday, according to a tally the Guardian collated. ...

... The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders ranked the US 48th in the world in its 2019 index, down three places as a result of growing abuse of journalists in the country. “Never before have US journalists been subjected to so many death threats or turned so often to private security firms for protection,” the report said.

The majority of the most recent incidents appeared to be perpetrated by police, but least two involved crowds. A crew from the conservative outlet Fox News was surrounded by protesters outside the White House early on Saturday morning and jeered at and pelted with objects until they were forced to clear the area. An angry crowd also stormed the headquarters of CNN in Atlanta on Friday.

Many of Saturday’s attacks were filmed by the reporters involved. In his footage, the VICENews correspondent Michael Anthony Adams could be heard shouting “press” repeatedly as an officer approached him with his gun raised.

“I’m press,” he says. “I don’t care,” the officer replies. He was pepper sprayed while lying on the ground shortly afterwards.


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Images of Police Using Violence Against Peaceful Protesters are Going Viral
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/31/21275994/police-violence-peaceful-protesters-images

Salt Lake City cops shove down an elderly man with a cane for the crime of standing along the street:
https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016

U.S. Congresswoman Joyce Beatty of Ohio, Columbus City Council President Shannon Hardin, and Franklin County Commissioner Kevin Boyce being pepper sprayed by Columbus Police during protest
https://mobile.twitter.com/TimWCBD/status/1266787064735043591

In New York, a police officer pulled down the mask of a peaceful protester, who had his hands up, and pepper-sprayed him in the face. The police in the video had intentionally covered their badge numbers.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Sifill_LDF/status/1266928343141752833

In Brooklyn, a video captured multiple officers converging on a protester and hitting the individual with a baton.
https://mobile.twitter.com/j0ncampbell/status/1266514356071735296

In Atlanta, the police dragged a young couple out of a car while using a Taser. Officers also flattened the tires and broke the windows of their vehicle. Multiple officers were involved in the incident.
https://www.cbs46.com/apd-use-taser-to-get-driver-out-of-car/video_60cd66da-2301-5fd7-ae1a-618efe1cac20.html

Minneapolis Police Department and National Guard open-fired paint canisters at people on their own property
https://mobile.twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225

In Denver, the police fired multiple tear gas canisters just minutes after the city’s 8 pm curfew passed.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BySajaHindi/status/1266914123671093248

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Video shows a large group of protesters parting and running as the semi-truck  barrels towards them a full speed.

The truck then comes to a stop after hitting a protester and protesters run towards it.

It is unclear what happens next and whether there were any injuries.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrettHoffland/status/1267227669701316608

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... there is another way ...

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A Sheriff Put Down His Baton to Listen to Protesters. They Chanted 'Walk With Us,' So He Did
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/31/us/flint-michigan-protest-police-trnd/index.html

A Michigan sheriff joined protesters in Flint Township on Saturday, putting down his weapon and saying, "I want to make this a parade, not a protest."

"The only reason we're here is to make sure that you got a voice -- that's it," Swanson said in video clips shown on Twitter.

"These cops love you -- that cop over there hugs people," he said, pointing to an officer.

He was speaking to the crowd protesting police brutality and the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

He smiled and high-fived people in the crowd, who responded by chanting, "walk with us!"

So, he did.

"Let's go, let's go," Swanson said as he and the cheering crowd proceeded. "Where do you want to walk? We'll walk all night."

... "This is the correct response from police #WalkWithUs," Gwen Campbell tweeted.

JJ Milliken, another Swanson supporter, said via Twitter: "#WalkWithUs is how we change a system that murdered #GeorgeFloyd. It requires mindfulness of our actions and beliefs. Chris Swanson exemplifies the deputies and officers I know and respect. Community-first mentality and lead by example. This is a mindful action. This is change."
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« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2020, 03:47:28 AM »
All major roads into Minneapolis and St Paul have been shut for the night (20 minute notice) as authorities aim to quell the protests in the city over the last few days. The twin cities are also under curfew until Monday morning.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MnDOT/status/1267208871069790208

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Trump Reportedly Taken to 'Underground Bunker' During Friday Protest
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/may/31/george-floyd-protests-latest-news-riots-us-cities-donald-trump-police-brutality-live

As protests sparked by the death of George Floyd raged outside the White House on Friday night, Donald Trump was taken into a special secure bunker, the New York Times reported.

As protesters converged on the White House on Friday, the “Secret Service agents abruptly rushed the president to the underground bunker used in the past during terrorist attacks,” the Times reported.

Despite days of peaceful protests and violent clashes with police in some of America’s major cities, Trump has not addressed the nation and has repeatedly sent inflammatory messages over Twitter.

Late on Friday, Trump tweeted that protesters could have been attacked with “vicious dogs and ominous weapons” wielded by the US Secret Service and accused the DC mayor for supposedly not providing police to protect the White House.



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Fires Burning In NYC
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/ncna1220126

There are multiple fires burning in Manhattan at this moment in the Union Square area and one in Midtown, city officials said.

At Union Square, in lower Manhattan a vehicle has been torched and there’s a large crowd. At W. 41st Street and Sixth Avenue, there are reports of multiple arrests and a fire that started there.

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« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2020, 04:41:37 AM »
List of businesses burned , looted, and damaged in Minneapolis and Saint Paul. It is a long list.

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/a-list-of-the-buildings-damaged-looted-in-minneapolis-riots

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« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2020, 04:51:29 AM »
Specialized Investigations Division detectives & SWAT officers moments ago arrested Wesley Somers, 25, on charges of felony arson, vandalism, & disorderly conduct for setting fire to Nashville's Historic Courthouse Saturday night.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MNPDNashville/status/1267264305961066500

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« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2020, 04:56:56 AM »
Thanks for the concern, oren. Neighbors and police are finding incediary devices behind and even in front of lots of businesses.

Just now I heard that folks right in my immediate neighborhood are finding the same hidden in bushes next to houses.

This is a very carefully planned military attack on a usually very quiet neighborhood, mostly white, but with plenty of East Africans, Native Americans, Latinx...Lots of teachers, artist, and professionals of all sorts along with of course people in the vast service industries.

It might not come tonight, but I suspect in the next very few nights there will be a vast and very well coordinated attack not just on businesses, but on neighborhoods full of houses with children, elderly, sick...

Many will die.

I hope I'm wrong, but these guys certainly are working very hard toward this end.

Two truck loads of white guys were spotted jumping out and trying to start a local library on fire. Luckily, they were stopped.

A bunch of men in military type fatigues but clearly not actually military, heavily armed, were seen moving into a nearby park.

So, yeah, I'm still alive, but lacking sleep. Only a couple hours last night. A bit of a nap this afternoon.

I do think that part of the strategy is psychological, to wear residents down with the fatigue of trying to be constantly alert...for days.

Alex wrote: "...Most where far right protesters dressed as africans..." So why are you calling them protesters when  they clearly were anything but. And why are you even looking at f'n Breitbart?

ETA: One of the neighborhood patrol members (who has to break curfew to patrol, so theoretically subject to $1000 fee and or some jail time) just told me that one of the bottles of propellants was found today right at the end of my block. So we are definitely being targeted right here. Unfortunately, I have too much foliage in my yard to adequately search through it all.

If I make it through the night, I'll have to spend a big chunk of tomorrow cutting down all my beautiful native and non-native plants that long ago i replaced my lawn with
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« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2020, 05:19:10 AM »
What a terrible situation. I hope it somehow gets resolved without further violence. It is sad to see how much the US is FUBAR.

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« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2020, 05:24:54 AM »
Thanks, oren. Just glad that my daughter is in the relatively stable Netherlands (though she keeps saying she's gonna get on the next plane home since there's so much going on now in here once sleepy little midwestern city! )
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« Reply #72 on: June 01, 2020, 05:25:33 AM »
Minnesota Department of Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington confirmed evidence of white supremacist groups trying to incite violence; Many posted messages online that encouraged people to go loot in Minneapolis and cause mayhem.

“That situation can be expected to deteriorate further with these people,”  said Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, adding that violent protestors are being fed professional tactics in urban warfare by outside groups.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/30/mayor-says-he-was-incorrect-in-saying-every-person-arrested-in-minneapolis-protests-was-from-out-of-state/amp/

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Mayor Bill de Blasio emphasized late Saturday that he had spoken with community leaders and there is a possibility that there are protesters who are intentionally trying to incite violence including those who have come to New York City from other places.

"People who represent the communities of our city and the residents of our city are not joining negative and violent protests," de Blasio said.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/31/us/nypd-truck-george-floyd-protest/index.html

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DHS (2009): “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,”
https://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

... (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

...

(U) Exploiting Economic Downturn
(U//FOUO) Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the economy, the perceived loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, and home foreclosures. Anti-Semitic extremists attribute these losses to a deliberate conspiracy conducted by a cabal of Jewish “financial elites.” These “accusatory” tactics are employed to draw new recruits into rightwing extremist groups and further radicalize those already subscribing to extremist beliefs. DHS/I&A assesses this trend is likely to accelerate if the economy is perceived to worsen.

...

(U) Disgruntled Military Veterans
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-military-violence-idUSBRE92E00220130315

https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-predicting-violent-crime-by-army-soldiers-20151006-story.html

https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-articles/sovereign-citizens-a-growing-domestic-threat-to-law-enforcement

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When Civilian Protest Is Labeled ‘Urban Warfare’
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/05/when-protest-labeled-urban-combat/165787/

When state officials say they face "a sophisticated network of urban warfare,” they're looking through the lens of a militarized police force.

This is what escalation looks like. “The situation on the ground in Minneapolis & St. Paul has shifted & the response tonight will be different as a result,” the Minnesota Department of Public Safety tweeted as businesses boarded up their windows and the Saturday sun sank low over the Twin Cities. The National Guard and law-enforcement presence would “triple in size,” the state agency warned, “to address a sophisticated network of urban warfare.”

“Urban warfare” is a striking choice of words for a state agency, and one that cable-news anchors seized on and repeated in the fiery hours that followed. ... The current protests are about not one black man’s death, but thousands of them, and centuries of discrimination, dehumanization, and denial of basic civil rights.

The police and the U.S. military are separate institutions because policing a community and fighting a war are supposed to be separate jobs. In traditional “wars,” both sides are heavily armed. In Minnesota, only the agents of the state appear to be wearing body armor and carrying long guns. And yet: State officials are calling this “warfare” on official public channels.

“War” is not how public officials have referred to the protests by pro-Confederate and white-nationalist groups in recent years; those gatherings have not generally been dispersed by tear gas and rubber bullets. Nor were the armed “Liberate” protesters who swarmed the Michigan statehouse earlier this month removed by force; instead, the legislature canceled its session. But perhaps it was inevitable that officials would turn to military language as demonstrations spread across the country this week. In cities large and small, police departments are now outfitted like military units. When you’re driving an armored vehicle down Main Street, civilians can begin to look like insurgents.

... The state of Minnesota’s “urban warfare” rhetoric is the inevitable consequence of this decades-long militarization of American police departments, Arthur Rizer, a policing expert at the center-right R Street Institute, told me late Saturday.

“You create this world where you’re not just militarizing the police—you equip the police like soldiers, you train the police like soldiers. Why are you surprised when they act like soldiers?” Rizer, a former police officer and soldier, said. “The mission of the police is to protect and serve. But the premise of the soldier is to engage the enemy in close combat and destroy them. When you blur those lines together with statements like that … It’s an absolute breakdown of civil society.”

Also, Police agencies that use military equipment kill civilians at much higher rates than agencies that don’t, according to a 2017 study.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317581659_Militarization_and_police_violence_The_case_of_the_1033_program

Yesterday, as police pepper-sprayed a congresswoman, drove into a crowd, and fired rubber bullets and tear gas at protesters and journalists alike, it was clear that some police officers were approaching these situations like soldiers, and treating citizens as enemies.

That’s not the only option for how police can respond to moments like this one. On Saturday afternoon, police officers in Camden, New Jersey—not dressed like soldiers—joined protesters in their march for justice.

https://twitter.com/Emma_Stith/status/1266855821381718018
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Fires Erupt Near White House
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-braces-for-third-day-of-protests-and-clashes-over-death-of-george-floyd/2020/05/31/589471a4-a33b-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html?outputType=amp

Protesters started fires near the White House as tensions with police mounted. Police fired a major barrage of tear gas stun grenades into the crowd of more than 1,000 people, largely clearing Lafayette Park across the street from the White House and scattering protesters into the street.

Protesters piled up road signs and plastic barriers and lit a raging fire in the middle of H Street. Some pulled an American flag from a nearby building and threw it into the blaze. Others added branches pulled from trees. A cinder block structure, on the north side of the park, that had bathrooms and a maintenance office, was engulfed in flames.



Washington Monument Surrounded By Smoke From Multiple Fires
Smoke from multiple fires rising up in front of the Washington Monument #Chopper4 looking south from Maryland, White House center screen.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Chopper4Brad/status/1267285662480371712
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« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2020, 06:48:46 AM »
Who burnt down the police station in Minneapolis ?
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« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2020, 07:21:19 AM »
15 large military like vehicles just rolled by my front door. I have to assume they are the actual National Guard, and not the 'bad guys'

vox, imo, your source regarding urban warfare is confused. It is true that the actual protesters should not be seen that way, but there are groups of white suppremacists who are planting bottles of flammable liquids all over my neighborhood, including on my block. I have little doubt that some are on my property, but I didn't hear about this till it was turning dark, and my entire yard is covered with knee-to-waste-high foliage.

These folks are carefully trying to set up a situation where they can create a great deal of damage to residential areas in a way that can't be controled by anyone. Heavily armed groups of them have been spotted, large caches of amo, arms and explosives have been found, but we have to assume there are lots more that have not yet been found.

My city is being terrorized, which is also part of the urban war strategy of these folks.
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« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2020, 10:02:05 AM »
Glad you are fine, Wili. Try to keep it like that.
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« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2020, 10:05:23 AM »
A little bit of snark coming from China here. But hey, at least they don't have to make shit up in order to have propaganda material.

US should stand with Minnesota violent protesters as it did with HK rioters

Link >> https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1189945.shtml
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« Reply #78 on: June 01, 2020, 10:07:31 AM »
wili, what a dangerous situation.

Do you have close contact with neighbours and/or other people from your neighbourhood? Is there some local support network?
I image that the elderly and other vulnerable people will be fearful and full of anxiety right now. Can you still do shopping?

About your yard. You could place a broom or other long stick on the ground and attack something heavy to both ends. Then attach a rope at both sides and draw it over the length of your yard so the plants bend down and offer the opportunity to see if something's hidden. If the object is a large as a 1L bottle, you will probably find it. But I understand that you really want to be certain and this method is perhaps not certain enough.
You can also spray your yard with a lot of water so everything is wet. Don't know if that's feasible because of possible high daytime temperatures that'll dry it quickly.
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« Reply #79 on: June 01, 2020, 12:04:55 PM »
I would encourage people to view these events through a Darwinistic lens and see that racism is simply a symptom of more fundamental survival forces at work when broader systems break down.

For an historic parallel, I would refer to the situation of post WW I Germany in the wake of the treaty of Versailles. Without passing judgement on the responsibility of what put the German nation in that particular situation, we see in hindsight that the French were insistent on reparations demands that were incompatible with a sustainable German nation. Powerless, the Germans had to accept and were soon thereafter in a situation where there was widespread starvation and despair.

In the absence of any leverage to force the people at the controls to help them, people subconsciously and organically arrive at the conclusion that they must undermine the system which
oppresses them in order to survive. They are in a Darwinistic frame of kill or be killed and nothing trumps survival.

Like a young lion cub that must grow up to kill wildebeests and water buffalo in order to survive, the ultimate target is an unrealistic goal in the early stages of development but the young lion must learn how to kill in incremental degrees of difficulty in order to graduate. So the cub begins with slower and weaker prey. When a young lion kills a lizard, we recognize it as a necessary evolution process.

In the case of the Germans, the history of how they progressed through incremental stages of killing difficulty is well established and need not be rehashed here. But ultimately it can be argued that they were successful in killing the paradigm that they began with. However horrifying the process, it can easily be argued that the survivors in the German nation was in better position in 1955 than in 1925. Nature abhors a vacuum and the Nazis filled it.

The situation in America today is not quite so advanced in terms of the level of economic suffering seen in Germany a century ago, but the situation is certainly moving in that direction. What is common is the sense of powerlessness of the average American system which is well described on many threads in this forum. The US political system is deeply intertwined with the interests of a wealthy minority and has fortified the system against intelligent self-regulation. The politicains, courts, electoral processes, and media institutions have all been co-opted.

The average citizen probably does not grasp this and even if they do, they are essentially powerless to stop it. What they certainly do understand is the increasing survival pressure and declining visibility to a secure future. They are in an earlier but equivalent phase of what the Germans were sensing in the 1920's. The herd is understanding that the system itself must be killed. Like the young lion, the ability to kill must be cultivated and it must start with those that post no threat. These processes start with the weak and progress incrementally.

As one of those Americans who is acutely aware of my lack of political power, I've been expecting the system to lead us in this direction. In the absence of ability to address the big flaws in the system, we start small and kill the things which are accessible to us.... each other.

We have two routes to go. The elegant path of progressive legislation or the violent path of burning the system down. Someone like Trump offers the malignant narcissism necessary to lead the violent path if the elegant route doesn't emerge. Nature abhors a vacuum and the gene pool has produced enough people with the appropriate personality attributes. There will be another Trump waiting in the wings.

As a person of Jewish descent, i had to grapple with the experience of my ancestors in the Holocaust and arrive at a viewpoint which allows me to maintain compassion for the experience of the starving German citizen of the 1920's. I think there may have been some attributes of ethnic supremacy which were prevalent in the cultural mythology. Those attributes were probably determinative of which groups got the short end of the stick in the Holocaust. But a lot of christians died in that war too.

I don't excuse racism and think these examples of police murders should be prosecuted and punished to the maximum extent possible. But I still have compassion for the economic and survival pressure that the white supremacist asshole is facing and want to take the boot off his / her neck so that they do not have the motivation to go looking for victims.

Racism is a symptom of the underlying system dynamics. If everyone in America was white, the herd would organize itself according to some other hierarchy in order to play out the same dynamic we are seeing now. The herd is simply organizing itself into sub-herds.

Of course, the corporate media is doing all it can to promote the black vs.white paradigm because they are agents of the ruling class. They do all they can to keep the focus off of the underlying class war which is the root cause of this. It is only after the rich people become afraid for their personal survival that editorials like this will begin to appear in the mainstream press.

The current version of America is unsustainable and breaking. We don't know what the next version is going to look like. I am pushing hard here to educate people about the virtues of the elegant path with a Green New Deal as a centerpiece. We'll see what happens.





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« Reply #80 on: June 01, 2020, 01:15:38 PM »
Sounds awful! Hope you'll stay safe wili and I wish there was something we could do to help.

Seeing the video I understand many people are upset and demand justice. However it looks like the police (and whoever has their back) has done their utmost to turn legitimate political demonstrations into violent riots and unfortunately it seems they have largely succeeded. It's helpful for them when the talk is about restoring order instead of police brutality.

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« Reply #81 on: June 01, 2020, 01:37:24 PM »
It is my observation that nearly all the violence is flowing from the cops and some outside racist agitators toward the community...businesses and public buildings first, and now outsiders threatening neighborhoods directly.

Made it through the night. even got 3+hours of sleep! :) :/

Report of a car with four white guys in it tooling around and around a few blocks from here. Later abandon and the occupants ran into the woods near the river.

Gotta go make lunches for all the hungry people, many who can't easily get food in the best of times. And now all restaurants and nearly all food stores in the area are closed.

Then I'll spend whatever energy is left whacking down all my beautiful flowers and bushes that completely cover my property, so there are fewer places for the assholes to hide propellants

 >:(

Phoenix...yes, the rage is born of many things from various sides. Can't dig up the study now, but a  couple years ago it came out that middle to lower class whites were the only demographic in the US (and I think Canada, too) whose mortality and morbidity rates were getting steadily worse. The causes were primarily suicide and what I would call suicide by other means...drugs, alcohol, 'accidents'... I can think of no more raw measure of the despair of a group for whatever cause, than those stats.

Pretty inevitable that some of that despair would express itself as outward violence, at some point, perhaps
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« Reply #82 on: June 01, 2020, 01:46:34 PM »
Nanning. Thanks for your concern. Yes, I've been helping out elderly neighbors, and things have gotten quite organized on a number of local levels

Did wet down everything night before last, including my own house, roof and foliage/trees as well as those of three neighbors on both sides (some out of town, one and empty building).

To exhausted to do it all again last night.

Foliage will mostly grow back, probably, eventually
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« Reply #83 on: June 01, 2020, 02:40:24 PM »
^ The arsonists they arrested in Nashville doesn look too 'African'.

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3103.msg266625.html#msg266625

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 What news coverage does — and doesn’t — show about unrest in Minneapolis and Louisville.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/first-person/2020/5/29/21274891/george-floyd-cop-arrested-minneapolis-breonna-taylor

... Sometimes buried at the end of post-protest reports by local authorities is the fact that police munitions often start fires at protests, but this is seldom reported by the press, and there have been surprisingly few protesters arrested for arson relative to the fires that erupted during the unrest. Which is more likely to set row houses ablaze, three teenagers in face masks with “No Justice, No Peace” signs or two smoldering tear gas shells sitting on a pile of dry leaves and newspaper for two hours?

This is not to suggest that some protesters don’t cause violence or property damage, but observers, let alone journalists, should be making distinctions between the various actors that are actually on the scene during civil unrest. You have the aforementioned police who are armed. Then you have chaos agents and anarchists who infiltrate peaceful protests with their own agenda. This isn’t conspiracy theory; in Minneapolis alone, videos have emerged of strangely dressed people just engaging in wanton property destruction. No one knows who they are, but it seems unlikely that they are protesters.

Then you have your run-of-the-mill opportunistic criminals.

And, of course, none of these actors should be confused with the hundreds of men and women peacefully protesting who are usually subjected to violent reprisals by police. Which is why “they’re burning their own community” narratives are so misleading and dangerous. It’s irresponsible to not distinguish which “they” is being talked about.

Which brings us to perhaps the most important thing to understand about how to watch protests: the context of what kind of protest garners police response. Over the past three months, the 24-hour cable networks have extensively covered mostly white armed men and women threatening police and politicians at state capitols across the nation over coronavirus lockdown policies.

How often have you seen police in riot gear? In fact, police seldom use force or even present in force (protest shields, black helmets, etc.) when conservative or right-wing groups protest. When is the last time you saw a group of anti-abortion activists get tear-gassed? Yet with left-leaning groups, and especially groups of minorities, their protests are often met with shows of force. Right-wing groups spit in the faces of police in regular gear in Michigan, while SWAT teams show up like Storm Troopers for chanting teens in Minneapolis.

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Tear Gas Started Pharmacy Fire, Report Says
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2001-05-30-0105300347-story.html

Fire Report Shows Tear Gas the Cause of House Fire
https://www.khq.com/news/fire-report-shows-tear-gas-the-cause-of-house-fire/article_327f622f-57aa-5055-9302-17183b49c8e2.html
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« Reply #84 on: June 01, 2020, 04:10:10 PM »
Phoenix...yes, the rage is born of many things from various sides. Can't dig up the study now, but a  couple years ago it came out that middle to lower class whites were the only demographic in the US (and I think Canada, too) whose mortality and morbidity rates were getting steadily worse. The causes were primarily suicide and what I would call suicide by other means...drugs, alcohol, 'accidents'... I can think of no more raw measure of the despair of a group for whatever cause, than those stats.

Pretty inevitable that some of that despair would express itself as outward violence, at some point, perhaps
There was some newspaper articles earlier this year about a new book titled "Deaths of Despair"  It was pretty grim.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/03/23/why-americans-are-dying-from-despair
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« Reply #85 on: June 01, 2020, 05:19:20 PM »
It's interesting to see the role black voters play in the perpetuation of the entire paradigm.

You have a guy like Bernie Sanders come along to run for POTUS and IMO, he's got the policy prescriptions which reverse the half century trend of wealth concentration and ease the pressure on all working class Americans, including the working class white guy who is most likely to put his knee on their neck.

Bernie wins the first three states in the primary and you arrive in South Carolina where the black vote is overwhelmingly important. Then the prominent black politician Jim Clyburn tells the black community to vote for Biden and they do. Then you have black icon Barack Obama working behind the scenes to engineer the other candidates dropping out (or staying in with the case of Liz Warren) and the mainstream media working 24/7 to cultivate fear of a Sanders nomination.

Then you step back and realize the bigger picture is not white vs. black, it's the powerful vs. the oppressed. The system has granted power fiefs to black politicians like Clyburn and Obama in return for their commitment to work on behalf of the system which oppresses all working class American's, including my black brothers and sisters. They are sellouts who betray the interests of their own race for personal gain.









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« Reply #86 on: June 01, 2020, 05:30:10 PM »
it's the powerful vs. the oppressed.

I agree but, the quality and quantity of oppression is merely defined by skin color. Oftentimes in fascism vs. rule of law kind of level of difference.
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« Reply #87 on: June 01, 2020, 05:44:42 PM »
"Moment of Reckoning": Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, Cornel West & Bakari Sellers on Nationwide Uprising

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« Reply #88 on: June 01, 2020, 06:30:15 PM »
it's the powerful vs. the oppressed.

I agree but, the quality and quantity of oppression is merely defined by skin color. Oftentimes in fascism vs. rule of law kind of level of difference.

This is a nuanced discussion. I agree that there is a high degree of correlation of oppression to a color gradient. But the extermination of six million Jews in the Holocaust is a reminder that color is completely unnecessary for oppressive forces to find the hierarchy they seek.

I am resisting the impulse to put black people on the pedestal as poster children for oppression. It reinforces the idea that I (as a caucasian person) am separate from them. I do not feel separate from them. When I see the murder of my black brothers, i feel that this is a member of my human family and I understand that my fate is intertwined with the fate of this person. I understand that if this person is not safe, I am also not safe.

I am not black and I will never be able to walk in the shoes of a black person and experience the unique qualities of oppression that they face strictly based upon skin color. But I understand that in order to navigate our way out of the mess humanity finds itself in, we must resist the forces that seek to separate us into identity silos.

When one of us is oppressed, we are all oppressed.




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« Reply #89 on: June 01, 2020, 06:50:19 PM »
But the extermination of six million Jews in the Holocaust is a reminder that color is completely unnecessary for oppressive forces to find the hierarchy they seek.

Nope, it's the exact same thing: The belief in the existence of 'race'.
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gas at people protesting racism
because one of my coworkers killed
someone in cold blood, I would
simply quit that job and do
something useful like stock grocery
shelves.

“I’m an introvert. I’m just different that’s all. I’m so sorry. I don’t have a gun. I don’t do that stuff... All I was trying to do was to become better. I’ll do it... You all are phenomenal. You are beautiful. And I love you. Try to forgive me. I’m sorry.”

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« Reply #91 on: June 01, 2020, 07:33:50 PM »
But the extermination of six million Jews in the Holocaust is a reminder that color is completely unnecessary for oppressive forces to find the hierarchy they seek.

Nope, it's the exact same thing: The belief in the existence of 'race'.

I don't understand the use of the word "Nope", here. We are pretty much in agreement.

I think the larger point I'm making is that the larger social disease is forcing us into a situation where many individuals are encountering resource scarcity and the herd members are receiving the stimulus that the herd may have to organize for a potential shrinking. This is activating things which are hard wired into the limbic brain for the benefit of species survival.

Race and religion are simply arbitrary constructs that humans have come up with to differentiate the herd into sub groups in order to create the organizational hierarchy necessary to manage larger populations. The need for organizational hierarchy arose from evolutionary forces. Nature abhors a vacuum.

The constructs we use for societal decision making and resource allocation are in need of some major tweaks. We don't have any established societal mechanisms for orderly shrinkage and our resource consumption is currently far beyond sustainable. In the absence of anything civilized coming from the frontal cortex, the limbic process will play out.

 

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« Reply #93 on: June 01, 2020, 08:24:20 PM »
The official repport says he did not die from suffocation. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8371557/George-Floyds-autopsy-claims-died-underlying-heart-conditions-not-strangulation.html

So long as we all understand that it was related to stresses related to his difficulty breathing because of the cop, that's all that matters. It's a homicide either way.

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« Reply #94 on: June 01, 2020, 08:28:28 PM »
We are pretty much in agreement.


I think so too. Sorry, my bad. :)
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« Reply #95 on: June 01, 2020, 08:32:16 PM »
Chris Hedges talks to Jimmy Dore.



Lot´s of interesting things in there.

2.3 million ´slaves´ (around 11m00).
Þetta minnismerki er til vitnis um að við vitum hvað er að gerast og hvað þarf að gera. Aðeins þú veist hvort við gerðum eitthvað.

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« Reply #96 on: June 01, 2020, 09:32:13 PM »
The official repport says he did not die from suffocation. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8371557/George-Floyds-autopsy-claims-died-underlying-heart-conditions-not-strangulation.html

So long as we all understand that it was related to stresses related to his difficulty breathing because of the cop, that's all that matters. It's a homicide either way.

I think the protesters want him to be suffocated. So they have a reason to burn and loot.

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« Reply #97 on: June 01, 2020, 09:53:25 PM »
It's a homicide either way.

I think the protesters want him to be suffocated. So they have a reason to burn and loot.

Well Alexander, what do you think is the appropriate response from a group that routinely sees its members murdered and the perpetrators go unpunished?

How should I respond ? Just roll over and die?

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« Reply #98 on: June 01, 2020, 10:19:46 PM »
Maybe these protestors should asked themselfs what they want. Because if he just used that fake 20 usd note. Than maybe he just had bad luck, maybe he lost his job because of corona. But if you go sit on the roof of somebodies car . Than it becomes hard not to think that he's not looking for troubles. And what do you do if you meet somebody that's looking for troubles, you will always get some kind of strong reaction. But i think most of these protestors don't care much about it. Basically they are the losers of that globalisation. I think they shit on everything. Some are lucky that they get payed by these trillions of printed money. But they are probably not the majority of these protesters.

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« Reply #99 on: June 01, 2020, 11:53:23 PM »
Dear Alex, I'll just point out kindly that you need to learn the difference in English between 'than' and 'then.' Everything else in your post was far more ignorant that that, but I'll just leave it there for now

ETA, ok I'll also point out that, as far as "Wili, your observations are strange,"

Wellll, my 'observations' are from the vantage point of living in the fucking neighborhood that is getting burnt to the ground. I get my observations from seeing it myself, from talking to friends, from seeing videos taken by friends...what are your 'observations' based on??? MSM??? Do you really think that is a highly reliable source of pretty much anything??? Were you born yesterday/


I don't consider looting to be particularly 'violent,' so I wasn't including that. But certainly, I don't think many of the main protesters, that were and are out risking their lives by facing, unarmed, riot police shooting bullets and canisters of poison gas at them, and percussion bombs...I really don't think that lots of those brave and virtuous souls where spending a lot of time getting free knickknacks from Target.

Back to general discussion--after spending all morning preparing chili and bags of groceries to hand out to people in need, then checking my house perimeter for hidden incendiaries, since new ones had been found this morning...my wife and I stole a sliver of semi-normalcy, since some restaurants and bars had opened for outside dining...we went to a brewery that had excellent brew and knots of baked dough with an excellent marinara sauce. We could almost pretend that we weren't likely to get incinerated in our sleep tonight in the midst of a deadly pandemic...:)

Thanks, nan. I actually would prefer suffocating to incinerating, but...may not have a choice. Emotions have been hard to deal with, but yeah, I try to keep some sense of humor, even in these extreme times. My Somali  and other African American neighbors are, of course, terrorized to a much greater degree than I am or could ever imagine.

Prospect of imminent death does make one appreciate each day, though.

And thanks all for the many informative and well informed posts. We will shortly be under total military control, it seems. I have not held out much hope for democracy in this country, but that will really put the last nail in that coffin.

ETA: Oh, and they just announced that an independent coroner determined that George Floyd died of 'mechanical asphyxiation,' basically a fancy name for being strangled to death, but I'm sure someone will try to split some kind of meaningless hairs here.
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