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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #2050 on: January 16, 2021, 04:52:45 PM »
Hedges on Dore:

"We should have walked out on the Democratic party in 1994 after NAFTA and stood by the working class. And we didn't. And they know it."

"the bank is boarded up ... church caught on fire and burned ... just charred embers ... methamphetamine labs ... that's what we've done, that's what the democratic party has done, and the self identified liberal class has done and that's why they hate us and frankly we deserve to be hated"

NAFTA is a convenient whipping boy for America's ills, but I don't think economic analyses really support the blame. 

NAFTA’s Impact on the U.S. Economy: What Are the Facts?

"Two decades ago, when NAFTA was born, China had only a faint presence in the global economy, and was not yet even a member of the World Trade Organization. However, the share of U.S. spending on Chinese goods rose nearly eight-fold between 1991 and 2007. By 2015, U.S. trade in goods and services with China totaled $659 billion— with the U.S. importing $336 billion more than it exported. China has become the U.S.’s top trading partner for goods — a development never anticipated at the signing of NAFTA. And yet, NAFTA continues to attract the lion’s share of the blame among U.S. critics of globalization, despite the fact that the U.S. and China have yet to sign any bilateral free-trade treaty.

"The long-run increase in manufacturing employment in Mexico (about 400,000 jobs) was small and disappointing, while U.S. manufacturing plummeted by 5 million — but more because of Chinese imports than imports from Mexico. In both Mexico and the United States, real wages have stagnated while productivity has continued to increase, leading to higher profit shares and a tendency toward greater inequality.”

"The long-run increase in manufacturing employment in Mexico (about 400,000 jobs) was small and disappointing, while U.S. manufacturing plummeted by 5 million — but more because of Chinese imports than imports from Mexico."
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I think NAFTA had little influence on the problems of the rust belt.  Far more blame belongs with changes in tax policy.  Lowering taxes on the wealthy has starved the nation of public investments, while directly exacerbating wealth and income inequality.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #2051 on: January 16, 2021, 05:10:08 PM »
The point is that NAFTA symbolized the betrayal of the working class by the Democratic Party. Hedges argues that supporters should have walked out on the Democratic Party there and then, but didn't. #Forcethevote has shown that nothing much has changed in this respect, and the way the 'Squad' has handled that, is nothing but a slap in the face of progressives. And so Corporate Democrats remain the biggest hurdle to solutions in the US, and thus the planet at large.

Stay on-topic or open a NAFTA thread.
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #2052 on: January 16, 2021, 08:01:10 PM »
headline from Bloomberg news

Amazon, Uber Among New Corporate Donors to Biden Inauguration

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« Reply #2053 on: February 04, 2021, 08:24:53 AM »
America's Finest News Source: Sympathy for DiFi

"Todd Michaels, a lobbyist for Kaiser Permanente, reportedly teared up Tuesday after realizing that Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) no longer recognized his face"

" it’s absolutely devastating seeing her cognitive function dip like this"

"now she can’t even differentiate me from a lobbyist for Google or Pacific Gas & Electric"

"Michaels vowed that despite the difficulty he would remain by Feinstein’s side for years or even decades to come."

https://politics.theonion.com/health-insurance-lobbyist-tears-up-after-realizing-dian-1846181679

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #2054 on: February 04, 2021, 06:53:42 PM »
Hedges on Dore:

"We should have walked out on the Democratic party in 1994 after NAFTA and stood by the working class. And we didn't. And they know it."

"the bank is boarded up ... church caught on fire and burned ... just charred embers ... methamphetamine labs ... that's what we've done, that's what the democratic party has done, and the self identified liberal class has done and that's why they hate us and frankly we deserve to be hated"

NAFTA is a convenient whipping boy for America's ills, but I don't think economic analyses really support the blame. 

NAFTA’s Impact on the U.S. Economy: What Are the Facts?

"Two decades ago, when NAFTA was born, China had only a faint presence in the global economy, and was not yet even a member of the World Trade Organization. However, the share of U.S. spending on Chinese goods rose nearly eight-fold between 1991 and 2007. By 2015, U.S. trade in goods and services with China totaled $659 billion— with the U.S. importing $336 billion more than it exported. China has become the U.S.’s top trading partner for goods — a development never anticipated at the signing of NAFTA. And yet, NAFTA continues to attract the lion’s share of the blame among U.S. critics of globalization, despite the fact that the U.S. and China have yet to sign any bilateral free-trade treaty.

"The long-run increase in manufacturing employment in Mexico (about 400,000 jobs) was small and disappointing, while U.S. manufacturing plummeted by 5 million — but more because of Chinese imports than imports from Mexico. In both Mexico and the United States, real wages have stagnated while productivity has continued to increase, leading to higher profit shares and a tendency toward greater inequality.”

"The long-run increase in manufacturing employment in Mexico (about 400,000 jobs) was small and disappointing, while U.S. manufacturing plummeted by 5 million — but more because of Chinese imports than imports from Mexico."
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I think NAFTA had little influence on the problems of the rust belt.  Far more blame belongs with changes in tax policy.  Lowering taxes on the wealthy has starved the nation of public investments, while directly exacerbating wealth and income inequality.

I don’t know if you were there or not but I can tell you from first hand knowledge that I , then working as a Real Estate Consultant/ Broker and Acquistions expert represented dozens upon dozens  of large corporations in moving their manufacturing out of the U.S. and into Mexico because they could not have remained competitive if they hadn’t .
I mean I am just one person and I assisted in the sale of millions upon millions of sq/ft of Industrial buildings ,where many thousands of blue collar employees lost their higher paying jobs as a direct result of NAFTA.
It’s not even a question that before NAFTA there was a Balance.
The Republicans voted in the best interests of Capital and the Democrats defended labor.
When the scales tipped to far to one side or the other, the American people voted to balance it out.
After the Clinton Administration came in ,  the balance no longer existed.
The Republicans continued to support Capital but the Clintons prioritized the Third World over American workers.
That’s why the balance was upset which leads to a totally different conversation and explains why lifelong, blue collar voters left the Democrat party to support Donald Trump .
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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #2055 on: March 12, 2021, 08:51:50 PM »
Things that happen that corporate Dems and their propaganda branches will avoid to let you know...

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #2056 on: June 17, 2021, 08:14:27 AM »
How the sausage is made: billionaires and senators

"a Zoom teleconference session ... hosted by the group No Labels, a big money operation co-founded by former Sen. Joe Lieberman that funnels high-net-worth donor money to conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans. "

" included several billionaire investors and corporate executives"

"Manchin told the assembled donors that he needed help flipping a handful of Republicans"

"Roy is retiring. If some of you all who might be working with Roy in his next life could tell him, that’d be nice and it’d help our country. That would be very good to get him to change his vote."

"the wealthy executives on the call could dangle future financial opportunities in front of the outgoing senator while lobbying him to change his vote. "

"the group talked openly about how much money it planned to raise, and how — and on whom — it would spend that cash."

"the group planned to raised and direct some $20 million"

"we handed out checks to a number of our members of the House in the range of $50,000"

""Think about joining the House: You’re there for 730 days, unless you pick the leap year, and maybe you get 731,” said Bursky. “And for the vast majority, those days, you’re spending four hours on the telephone, dialing for dollars. And so what this does — aside from sending the very strong message that there are folks who will have your back if you take tough votes that by partisan nature that may not be popular within your party — it also in real life frees them to do more work, because it’s spending less time raising those funds.” "

https://theintercept.com/2021/06/16/joe-manchin-leaked-billionaire-donors-no-labels/

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #2057 on: June 17, 2021, 02:37:13 PM »
Yes, money is key to politics.  That is why most of the lawmakers in Washington are millionaires.  Indeed, that average net worth is close to $10M, with the richest topping 9 figures.  Rick Scott and Mark Warner top the lost, worth over $200M each.  Mitt Romney, Mike Braun, Paul Mitchell, Vernon Buchanan, Don Beyer, Dean Phillips, and Nancy Pelosi all top out at over $100M.  Those that do not enter as millionaires, leave as such.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/04/majority-of-lawmakers-millionaires/

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« Reply #2058 on: September 22, 2021, 08:27:24 AM »
Sometimes it really is a "a plague on both the parties". Such totally transparent (but totally legal) corruption is quite rare even in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/20/democrats-blocking-lower-medication-prices-bill
Guess what the three Democrats blocking lower medication prices have in common?

A bill in Congress would allow Medicare to use its bulk-purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices. Big Pharma is not pleased

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The three conservative Democratic lawmakers threatening to kill their party’s drug pricing legislation have raked in roughly $1.6m of campaign cash from donors in the pharmaceutical and health products industries. One of the lawmakers is the House’s single largest recipient of pharmaceutical industry campaign cash this election cycle, and another lawmaker’s immediate past chief of staff is now lobbying for drugmakers.

The threat from Democratic representatives Kurt Schrader (Oregon), Scott Peters (California) and Kathleen Rice (New York) comes just as the pharmaceutical industry’s top lobbying group announced a seven-figure ad campaign to vilify the Democratic legislation, which aims to lower the cost of medicines for Americans now facing the world’s highest prescription drug prices.

At issue is House Democrats’ initiative to let Medicare use its bulk purchasing power to negotiate lower prescription drug prices. That power – which is used by other industrialized countries to protect their citizens from exorbitant prices – has been promised by Democrats for years, and party leaders have been planning to include it as part of their sprawling $3.5tn infrastructure reconciliation effort.

On Wednesday, Schrader, Peters and Rice helped vote the measure down in the powerful energy and commerce committee, blocking the legislation before it could come to the House floor for a vote. Even if the bill were to ultimately make it to the floor through another committee – which remains a possibility – Democrats have only a four-seat majority that allows them to pass legislation, so they can’t afford to lose any more votes.

“I understand that the pharmaceutical industry owns the Republican party and that no Republican voted for this bill, but there is no excuse for every Democrat not supporting it,” said the Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders after the vote.

The trio of Big Pharma Democrats are jeopardizing a plan based on HR 3, the Elijah E Cummings Lower Drug Costs Now Act. The Congressional Budget Office has said the drug pricing legislation, named for the late Representative Elijah Cummings of Maryland, would save the government $456bn and “reduce prices by 57% to 75%, relative to current prices” for various medicines.

The measure would direct federal health regulators to negotiate prices of 25 high-priced drugs in the first year of implementation and 50 drugs in subsequent years, and the new negotiated prices would be available to both Medicare and private insurers.

Polls show that the idea of allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices is wildly popular – to the point where swing-state Republicans and swing-district Democrats, and even former President Donald Trump, have expressed support for it.

Schrader and Peters are among the two biggest recent Democratic recipients of pharmaceutical industry donations, according to OpenSecrets. The pharmaceutical and health products industries are collectively the second biggest donor to both lawmakers over the course of their careers, giving them almost $1.5m in total. Peters is the House’s top recipient of pharmaceutical industry donations in the 2022 election cycle. Peters and his family were worth an estimated $60m in 2018, making him one of the wealthiest lawmakers in Congress, according to OpenSecrets. His wife is the president and CEO of Cameron Holdings, an investment firm whose portfolio company provides manufacturing and packaging for pharmaceutical companies.
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« Reply #2059 on: October 21, 2021, 01:04:25 PM »
The last minute of this video ties in with the theme of this thread:



Politicians and corporations use AGW to scam people, just like they use the hyped-up COVID crisis to scam people. If only AGW were hyped up...
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« Reply #2060 on: October 21, 2021, 03:51:15 PM »
Unfortunately, some people have.  That has only added fuel to the fire to those who make such claims, focusing on the hype rather than the science.

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Re: The problem of Corporate Democrats and how to kick them out
« Reply #2061 on: November 04, 2021, 10:13:34 PM »
Carlyle wins Virginia.

https://twitter.com/GravelInstitute/status/1455960473195659272

Or as Nyere once remarked, "a one party state, but with typical American extravagance, they have two of them."

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« Reply #2062 on: November 08, 2021, 05:12:47 AM »
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/nov/07/carbon-capture-seen-as-coal-lifeline/?business


Build back better bill just turned into a bailout for coal. If this bill is allowed to pass as is it will offer a massive subsidy for coal. It gives coal up to 85 dollar a ton tax credit too consider building carbon capture until 2032. They do not even have to start building all they have to do is consider the idea. At current US coal prices this means the US government will make coal free and pay them to burn it.  This can not be allowed to pass. It would be better to get no bill at all. Financially this could delay any planned coal plant closures until at least 2032 if not farther.

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« Reply #2063 on: November 09, 2021, 10:16:42 AM »
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/nov/07/carbon-capture-seen-as-coal-lifeline/?business


Build back better bill just turned into a bailout for coal. If this bill is allowed to pass as is it will offer a massive subsidy for coal. It gives coal up to 85 dollar a ton tax credit too consider building carbon capture until 2032. They do not even have to start building all they have to do is consider the idea. At current US coal prices this means the US government will make coal free and pay them to burn it.  This can not be allowed to pass. It would be better to get no bill at all. Financially this could delay any planned coal plant closures until at least 2032 if not farther.

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« Reply #2064 on: November 10, 2021, 05:19:35 PM »
No Neven I am not an anti vaxer I linked to the article you can read it.

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« Reply #2065 on: November 10, 2021, 10:42:08 PM »
Just kidding. My point is that if you criticize Corporate Democrats nowadays, you are a racist, transphobic anti-vaxxer.
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« Reply #2066 on: November 10, 2021, 11:20:16 PM »
Just kidding. My point is that if you criticize Corporate Democrats nowadays, you are a racist, transphobic anti-vaxxer.

So true.  Anyone who criticizes someone climate change beliefs is a denier.  Anyone who criticizes a woman is a misogynist.  So on and so forth.  It is becoming more and more difficult to have a true debate over ideas nowadays.

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« Reply #2067 on: December 16, 2021, 08:09:56 AM »
Orlet at counterpunch: the working class is not stupid

"the Democrats are the misguided fools; the working class knows exactly what it is doing. It is voting for anyone—whether Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders—who promises to blow up the current system, a system which favors billionaires and corporations. And when the choice is between a bomb thrower and someone representing the party of Goldman Sachs and free trade, that choice is a no-brainer."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/12/15/the-working-class-is-not-voting-against-its-interests/

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« Reply #2068 on: December 16, 2021, 10:32:25 AM »
A voting app for the 'Populist party' would be a start, 20$/£ to register, you get to nominate 12 candidates the top 100 candidates get to chose the one. Single policy equal access to credit at the same rates wall st. gets, after that all policies are votable on the app, the chosen candidate has to follow the majority, it costs 1$/£ to vote any surplus from party funds gets spent on feeding the poor in the constituency. Current rate .25% so everyone not in default could simply borrow enough to switch all their debts to a new fixed rate loan from the local fed.

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« Reply #2069 on: December 21, 2021, 10:01:45 AM »
Sirota at dailyposter: trying to lose

"we see Democrats fully leaning into a likely 2022 disaster. They are going far beyond merely refusing to give Americans an affirmative reason to vote for them;  in sabotaging their own purported agenda, they seem to be deliberately trying to lose"

"Upon assuming office, one of President Joe Biden’s first moves was to tell governors that his $15 minimum wage campaign promise was effectively a lie"

"Democrats have mismanaged meager rental assistance programs and allowed the eviction moratorium to end"

"their plan for permanent tax breaks for wealthy mansion owners in affluent blue-state locales, while limiting a proposed child tax credit extension to just one year,"

"Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., made national headlines brushing off the idea of anti-corruption legislation to stop her and other lawmakers from personally enriching themselves off inside information they receive as government officials. She rejected the concept even after a new report showed lawmakers and their staffers flagrantly violating existing ethics rules governing stock trades."

" scoffed at the idea of providing free COVID tests, has refused to use its executive authority to share vaccine recipes, and has completely discarded its promised public health insurance option"

"Biden is now heading into the election year openly reneging on his student debt relief promise as he hemorrhages support from young people. Instead, he is pledging to restart loan repayment,"

"Americans were promised specific economic benefits, the ruling party has made a show of refusing to deliver those things, and is now making an even bigger, bolder spectacle of betrayal. Naturally, voters don’t appreciate being given the middle finger"

"Democratic congressional leaders have bottled up long-promised legislation to codify Roe in federal law"

"Democrats bottled up their anti-gerrymandering legislation until after the key Census deadline that now allows such GOP manipulation to happen. "

"For decades, the basic formula in Democratic politics involved three steps: 1) You get elected on promises, 2) you deliver on said promises, and 3) you then make it as easy as possible for people to vote for you in the next election."

"But since Obama won in 2008, modern-era Democrats seem intent on skipping the second step and maybe even the third"

"when a ruling party so obviously sides with its corporate sponsors, voters are perfectly willing to stay home or use those democratic institutions to throw that party out of office — even if that means electing an even worse set of villains."

"Democrats are willing participants in a theatrical production whose conclusion is already scripted. Forced to choose between their sponsors’ demands and fulfilling the campaign promises necessary to win the midterms, these Democrats have chosen the former"

"an effete ruling party trying to satiate the greedy rich and also somehow placate the desperately destitute,"

https://www.dailyposter.com/the-democrats-are-trying-to-lose/

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« Reply #2070 on: January 24, 2022, 04:08:08 AM »
Sirota perseveres: not democracy, it’s theater

"an entertaining simulacrum of self governance, but a lived experience of oligarchy."

"The Democratic Party is defined by a contradiction: It simultaneously promises to enrich its corporate donors and solve problems created by those same donors. That impossibility gives us drug pricing policies that would not significantly reduce medicine prices, tax proposals that never actually address inequality, corporate handouts that don’t much help the working class, and health care policy that enriches the insurance companies already fleecing sick people. It also gives us rotating villains who help the party’s rank-and-file lawmakers pull their bait and switch — they get to promise populist legislation they know is already doomed by Joe Manchin, Kyrsten Sinema or some other designated malefactor of the day."

"politics has become one big business transaction with donors and politicians at the table, and the public on the menu. Just because the restaurant is called “Democracy” doesn’t mean it is a democracy that lots of voters are eager to defend as they are being eaten alive."

https://www.dailyposter.com/democracy-alone-will-not-save-democrats/

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« Reply #2071 on: November 07, 2022, 08:16:17 PM »
Hedges at Scheerpost: They won. We lost.

" The corporate coup d’état is over. They won. We lost."

"on every major issue, from trade deals to war, there is very little difference between Democrats and Republicans. The Democratic Party and Joe Biden are not the lesser evil, but rather, as Glen Ford pointed out, “the more effective evil.”"

"Biden supported the campaign to discredit and humiliate Anita Hill to appoint Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. He was one of the principal architects of the endless wars in the Middle East, ... a fervent supporter of Israel ... His campaigns have been lavishly funded by the Israel lobby for at least two decades. "

"he fought school busing, arguing that segregation was beneficial for Blacks ... sponsored the Comprehensive Crime Control Act, which eliminated parole for federal prisoners and limited the amount of time sentences could be reduced for good behavior ... aggressively pushed the 1994 crime bill ... more than doubling the nation’s prison population. ... pushed through the 1996 Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, which gutted the federal writ of habeas corpus, abolished the rights of death row prisoners and mandated harsh federal sentencing rules. "

"Biden takes credit for writing the 2001 Patriot Act ... backed austerity programs, including the destruction of welfare and cuts to Social Security. He fought for NAFTA and other “free trade” deals which fueled  inequality, deindustrialization, a significant drop in wages and the offshoring of  millions of manufacturing jobs ... "

"He was at the forefront of deregulating the banking industry and the abolition of Glass-Steagall ... He is a favorite of the for-profit insurance and pharmaceutical industry, which contributed $6.3 million to his 2020 presidential campaign, almost four times more money than they channeled to Donald Trump’s campaign. Biden and the Democrats annually increase the military budget, approving $813 billion for fiscal year 2023 ... Biden abjectly served the interests of MBNA, the largest independent credit card company headquartered in Delaware, which also employed Biden’s son Hunter."

"Biden, morally vacuous and of limited intelligence, is responsible for more suffering and death at home and abroad than Donald Trump. "

"Decayed societies ... always vomit up political deformities"

"Minorities are always welcome, as they were in other species of colonialism, if they serve the dictates of the masters. This is how Barack Obama, whom Cornel West called “a Black mascot for Wall Street,” became President."

" We should have walked out on the Democratic Party while we still had a chance."

https://scheerpost.com/2022/11/06/the-politicians-who-destroyed-our-democracy-want-us-to-vote-for-them-to-save-it/

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« Reply #2072 on: December 06, 2022, 07:37:03 PM »
America's finest news source: Biden averts rail strike

"President Joe Biden signed legislation Friday to avert a crisis"

"We were only a week away from a nationwide catastrophe "

"So much of what Americans rely on is delivered by train—from clean water to food to gas"

"Biden went on to express confidence that next year, bipartisan legislation would be passed"

https://www.theonion.com/biden-signs-legislation-to-avert-crisis-of-treating-rai-1849847966

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« Reply #2073 on: March 15, 2023, 09:07:00 AM »
Barney, Barney, Barney. Only a million (that we know of ...) over years to gut your own legislation ? Musta needed the money.

"Frank, architect of the Dodd-Frank banking regulations implemented in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis, played a key role in whitewashing the bipartisan effort to weaken those rules in 2018—after he had received more than $1 million while serving on Signature's board following his departure from Congress. "

"federal regulators seized Signature's assets on Sunday"

" In 2015, he joined the board of directors at Signature"

"Frank said his position on the threshold predates his compensation from the financial sector."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/barney-frank-signature-bank-deregulation

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