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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2020, 06:21:19 PM »
Phoenix,

I think your first and last statements are the most important.  Namely, the black community (which Hillary could not bring on board) and Bob Dole in that he is likeable (unlike Hillary again).  The middle has support among Democrats, but not so much with the Independents, who he needs to win over. 

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2020, 09:42:04 PM »
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg8wya/trumps-poll-numbers-are-so-bad-the-gop-is-starting-to-panic-about-a-wipeout

“The environment really sucks for us right now. We’ve got a worldwide pandemic, the economy is slipping and now we have a race war tacked on,” warned one GOP strategist involved in multiple races. “If the election were held today, we’d be talking about a wipeout. We’d be in landslide territory.”

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #52 on: June 19, 2020, 01:19:41 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/19/amy-klobuchar-rules-herself-out-as-possible-biden-running-mate

Klobuchar is out of the VP picture. Calls for a woman of color.

I'm not seeing a role for Klobuchar in a Biden Administration. She might have been qualified for Attorney General but her small connection to the cop who killed George Floyd is not appealing.

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #53 on: June 19, 2020, 06:38:42 PM »
Write me down for Susan Rice as VP. She was just on MSNBC with Andrea Mitchell, and her body language tells me she'll be the one. She's ready for the job.
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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2020, 09:59:59 PM »
Kamala Harris' wikipedia page is getting extensive modification to remove unflattering content. A potential sign that she is the favorite in the veepstakes.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/02/kamala-harris-wikipedia/




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Re: Joe Biden Campaign
« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2020, 04:28:50 PM »
The last presidential election was about border security. This election seems to be going towards domestic security. From "build that wall" to "save the police". And who'll win that fight do you think?
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Re: Joe Biden Campaign
« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2020, 04:34:55 PM »
It's the economy stupid!

If the stock market stays as high as it is now, Trump has a powerful message to sell. One week is an eternity in politics, and who's the best at dictating the message? Do you really think Biden will be able to talk about his policies? Do you think they can't do to him what they did to Clinton?

I completely agree with you, it's looking really bad for Trump right now, but do you really think people will remember this in November?

The only unknown is the pandemic. But what if the bastard is right, and Oxfort does come out with a vaccine before the election? Who'll win then? Trump will be seen as a genius...

And I always said that it will be a third party that will decide this election.

To be continued...
Fauci was powerful for Trump at the hearing just now. Vaccine at the end of this year for all Americans.

TAKE THAT BIDEN!

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2020, 10:21:13 PM »
Kamala Harris will be the VP.  :-\
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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2020, 10:40:51 PM »
Any of the top candidates would have some kind of flaw. But yeah, picking KH in a post Floyd era is...a bit odd...

from her wiki page: "Harris oversaw more than 1900 convictions for marijuana possession, a higher rate than under her predecessor"

Most didn't go to prison, but these kinds of convictions tend to fall more heavily on Blacks. Don't know if that was true here, but it doesn't look great
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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #59 on: August 12, 2020, 01:03:39 AM »
Any of the top candidates would have some kind of flaw. But yeah, picking KH in a post Floyd era is...a bit odd...

from her wiki page: "Harris oversaw more than 1900 convictions for marijuana possession, a higher rate than under her predecessor"

Most didn't go to prison, but these kinds of convictions tend to fall more heavily on Blacks. Don't know if that was true here, but it doesn't look great

I tend to agree.  Not sure what she brings to the ticket.

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #60 on: August 12, 2020, 04:10:05 AM »
from her wiki page: "Harris oversaw more than 1900 convictions for marijuana possession, a higher rate than under her predecessor"
"Oversaw". I heard that before and it smelled fishy. Needs closer scrutiny.
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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #61 on: August 12, 2020, 02:26:25 PM »
from her wiki page: "Harris oversaw more than 1900 convictions for marijuana possession, a higher rate than under her predecessor"
"Oversaw". I heard that before and it smelled fishy. Needs closer scrutiny.

Here is the closer scrutiny.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/11/kamala-harris-prosecuting-marijuana-cases/

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #62 on: August 12, 2020, 03:45:12 PM »
I tend to agree.  Not sure what she brings to the ticket.
Kamala is a prosecutor who needs to do what she does best; prosecute Trump like she did here, and keep repeating it.

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #63 on: August 12, 2020, 04:06:45 PM »
Oh America, whatcha doing for crying out loud? This ticket just became even more horrible than it was. Putting a cop into the VP position is unfortunate timing to say the least.

But there is a growing progressive opposition. Bring dem fight on!

US legal experts, can you primary a sitting president Harris in 4 years?

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #64 on: August 12, 2020, 04:22:27 PM »
Always funny to find out you need donors to get elected to the judicial system in US.

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #65 on: August 12, 2020, 04:50:36 PM »
Oh America, whatcha doing for crying out loud? This ticket just became even more horrible than it was. Putting a cop into the VP position is unfortunate timing to say the least.

But there is a growing progressive opposition. Bring dem fight on!

US legal experts, can you primary a sitting president Harris in 4 years?

Of course.  Assuming Biden wins and only serves one term, we can expect Harris to be a candidate in 4 years.  Though she'd presumably have a leg up over other candidates at that time, she is more than likely to have Democratic candidates in competition.  If the Biden administration has scandals/failures, her nomination in four years would be far from assured.

I'm optimistic that we'll at least see reforms over the next four years that are roughly similar to the post-Watergate reforms.  In my mind, that's what's most crucial at the moment.

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #66 on: August 12, 2020, 04:58:27 PM »
I'm assuming Biden will not be president 4 years out, Steve.

Thanks for your answer. I'm also slightly optimistic. But really only a smidgeon... The DNC has to give. Something must be in for average Joe. Otherwise, there will be another strong Rep candidate.

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #67 on: August 12, 2020, 05:03:58 PM »
Oh America, whatcha doing for crying out loud? This ticket just became even more horrible than it was. Putting a cop into the VP position is unfortunate timing to say the least.

But there is a growing progressive opposition. Bring dem fight on!

US legal experts, can you primary a sitting president Harris in 4 years?

Of course.  Assuming Biden wins and only serves one term, we can expect Harris to be a candidate in 4 years.  Though she'd presumably have a leg up over other candidates at that time, she is more than likely to have Democratic candidates in competition.  If the Biden administration has scandals/failures, her nomination in four years would be far from assured.

I'm optimistic that we'll at least see reforms over the next four years that are roughly similar to the post-Watergate reforms.  In my mind, that's what's most crucial at the moment.
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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #68 on: August 12, 2020, 05:21:16 PM »
Oh America, whatcha doing for crying out loud? This ticket just became even more horrible than it was. Putting a cop into the VP position is unfortunate timing to say the least.

Yes.  I was surprised at this choice given al the backlash against the police recently.

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« Reply #69 on: August 12, 2020, 07:37:37 PM »
So Joe Biden chose a VP and you say this might be a bad choice.

But come on!

Joe Biden. Really?

Biden vs Trump.

Are these really the two best people America can offer for voters? If that is so, the USA is doomed

(Last time it was Hillary vs Trump which was an even worse choice). What a shame

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #70 on: August 13, 2020, 03:36:07 AM »
Left wing rankled by choice of Harris for VP

"We might be looking at 12 years of neoliberal power at the top of the Democratic Party," one activist says.

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...“The former vice president always has a major advantage so it’s definitely possible that we progressives might not have a real shot at the presidency for many years,” said an ex-senior aide to Sanders. “I think our power is going to have to come from building movements.”...

(which is where real political change always originates, anyway)

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/12/kamala-harris-vp-progressives-react-394375
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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #71 on: August 13, 2020, 04:02:35 AM »
Joe Biden consciously pronounces the plural of κρίση. What f#ing mental decline?

Hoax? W#nkerz. (Florifugurator)

Silence is complicity (Biden et al)

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #72 on: August 13, 2020, 07:49:16 AM »
BTW

with Biden being 77 years old, Harris has cca 20% chance of actually becoming president because of his death

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

He might also decide not to run for a second term in which case she would be a very likely candidate. If he does run for a second term then she has another 30% chance of becoming president by death. And even if he has 2 terms she could still run for president.

All in all, I believe that Harris has a good chance of actually becoming president IF Biden wins the November elections (likely in my view)

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #73 on: August 13, 2020, 04:43:59 PM »
Lets see if this coincides with the ages of past 7 presidents upon their deaths:

Ford:  left office at 63, dies at 93
Carter:  left office at 56, still kicking at 95
Reagan:  left office at 77 (days before his 78th birthday), died at 93
Bush Sr.:  left office at 68, died at 94
Clinton:  left office at 54, still alive at 73
Bush Jr.:  left office at 62, also 73
Obama:  left office at 55, currently 59

None of them before the age of 93.  Even Reagan, who some consider incapacitated at the end of his term, lived another 16 years upon leaving office.  Granted, retirement is much easier on them, but their lifestyle prior to the presidency was not extremely harsh.  My bet is that Biden lives well past 2025 and most likely into the 2030s.

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« Reply #74 on: August 13, 2020, 04:55:26 PM »
Haha, Walrus, i remember you kept saying how Bernie is too old for the job during the primaries. And now this? Please...  ;D

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« Reply #75 on: August 13, 2020, 05:45:47 PM »
Haha, Walrus, i remember you kept saying how Bernie is too old for the job during the primaries. And now this? Please...  ;D

You are mistaken.  I never said that.  The only reference I made to age was to state that Sanders was older than Biden, when another poster stated that Biden was too old. 

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #76 on: August 13, 2020, 05:53:41 PM »
You are mistaken.  I never said that.

Sorry, then. My memory must have failed me.

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« Reply #77 on: August 13, 2020, 06:18:59 PM »
You are mistaken.  I never said that.

Sorry, then. My memory must have failed me.
I guess it was me who compared ages of US senators to USSR comrades of the high council.

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« Reply #78 on: August 15, 2020, 05:38:48 PM »
from her wiki page: "Harris oversaw more than 1900 convictions for marijuana possession, a higher rate than under her predecessor"
"Oversaw". I heard that before and it smelled fishy. Needs closer scrutiny.

Looks indeed like a nothingburger. More a case for Harris.

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San Francisco Deputy Public Defender Niki Solis says Harris was the state’s most progressive DA and advocated for “so many policies and so many alternatives to incarceration.”
Debated by Law professor Lara Bazelon, who nevertheless admits Kamala Harris has had a "good hard shove to the left" since. Both talk it out with Amy Goodman:

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« Reply #79 on: August 15, 2020, 10:01:39 PM »
Thanks, flor

I happened to hear that Goodman interview, too...very interesting. There were other voices that were not quite as convinced, but clearly she wasn't quite as 'law and order' as some are claiming, and was more liberal than other CA prosecutors and DAs at the time
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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #80 on: August 20, 2020, 11:25:51 PM »
Lind at tablet magazine: Biden will be no friend to the working class

"A Biden administration would be staffed by conventional, conformist, careerist retreads from the administrations of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, representing the pro-Wall Street, anti-labor wing of the Democratic Party that has been dominant since the 1990s. Biden Democrats are likely to use a combination of social liberalism and fiscal conservatism to bring well-heeled Bloombergian independents and country-club Bush Republicans permanently into the Democratic coalition, accelerating its transformation into an alliance of affluent whites with members of minority groups who vote on the basis of race, not class. As long as enough well-off whites and African Americans and Hispanics vote for the centrist candidates of the Clinton-Obama-Biden machine, neoliberal Democrats have nothing to fear from “democratic socialist” poseurs in pricey hipster neighborhoods and college towns."

"From the 1990s to 2020, however, the old labor left has been almost completely replaced in the Democratic Party by a new group of affluent, college-educated “progressives” and “democratic socialists.” "

"many elite liberals as well as elite conservatives approve of the ongoing transformation of the U.S. economy into a system of labor market apartheid similar to that of Saudi Arabia or Dubai, countries which import perpetually refilled underclasses of badly treated immigrants and guest workers toiling in poorly paid jobs without benefits."

"Obama failed to cut Social Security. Biden, if he is elected, will get another chance. Biden will be pressured by the national economic elite to do something about the enormous post-pandemic debt and deficit—and to do it to the working class, not to the donor class."

"Even if the Democrats win a trifecta of the White House, House, and Senate in November, the boss class will remain firmly in control, kicking American labor"

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/coronavirus-pandemic-working-class

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #81 on: August 20, 2020, 11:31:02 PM »
That whole quote seems to be very slanted to one side.  Any balancing opinions available?

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« Reply #82 on: August 20, 2020, 11:40:00 PM »
I don't always succeed, but I try to sample news from both sides of the media bias chart:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-biased-is-your-news-source-you-probably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28


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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #83 on: August 20, 2020, 11:44:24 PM »
Douthat at nyt: the case for Biden

"Biden might still be the best choice for his party."

"Biden remains the cautious, more-things-to-more-people choice, and if Democrats believe Trump to be an unprecedented authoritarian threat, then the case for such caution is self-evident. "

"You lose any immediate chance at sweeping change, in other words, but you gain some room for incrementalism that greater ideological ambition might foreclose."

" the strongest argument for Biden is nonideological: More than the other candidates, he offers the possibility of a calmer presidency"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/sunday/joe-biden-2020.html

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Re: Joe Biden
« Reply #84 on: August 20, 2020, 11:47:34 PM »
Sanders on Biden: we need Joe Biden

"He supports raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Giving 40 million workers a pay raise and push the wage scale up for everyone else. Joe will make it easier for workers to join unions, create 12 weeks of paid family leave, fund universal pre-K for 3- and 4-year-olds, and make child care affordable for millions of families. Joe will rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and fight the threat of climate change by transitioning us to 100 percent clean electricity over 15 years"

" he has a plan that will greatly expand health care and cut the cost of prescription drugs. Further, he will lower the eligibility age of Medicare from 65 to 60. To help reform our broken criminal justice system, Joe will end private prisons and the detention centers, cash bail, and the school-to-prison pipeline. "

https://www.vox.com/2020/8/18/21373190/bernie-sanders-progressive-case-for-joe-biden-democratic-national-convention-transcript

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