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« Reply #2001 on: April 03, 2018, 05:36:22 PM »
No, it's not April fools'.
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« Reply #2002 on: April 03, 2018, 07:15:36 PM »
I don't have a news story to share with you but it's obscenely cold in the northern plains for early April.  It's 9f, windy, and snowing right now in northeastern South Dakota.  Twice this week we're flirting with both record lows for the date and record low maximum temps for the date.  I blame all the displaced cold air from the Arctic being shunted down our way.  It's been colder than average for several weeks and looks to remain so for at least another week.

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« Reply #2003 on: April 03, 2018, 10:07:26 PM »
In March!

Heat wave roasts parts of Asia, as monthly records topple in 7 countries
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At least seven countries set monthly high temperature records at the end of March, according to national weather authorities and tracking by Etienne Kapikian, a meteorologist with MeteoFrance.

According to the Washington Post's Capital Weather Gang blog, the worst of the heat was parked on top of Pakistan, which saw its hottest weather for so early in the season. On March 30, the temperature in Nawabshah, in Sindh Province, hit 45.5 degrees Celsius, or 113.9 degrees Fahrenheit. This beat the old monthly record of 45 degrees Celsius, or 113 degrees Fahrenheit, which was set in March of 1991. ...
https://mashable.com/2018/04/03/severe-heat-wave-asia-monthly-records/
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« Reply #2004 on: April 03, 2018, 11:14:49 PM »
In March!

Heat wave roasts parts of Asia, as monthly records topple in 7 countries
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At least seven countries set monthly high temperature records at the end of March, according to national weather authorities and tracking by Etienne Kapikian, a meteorologist with MeteoFrance.

According to the Washington Post's Capital Weather Gang blog, the worst of the heat was parked on top of Pakistan, which saw its hottest weather for so early in the season. On March 30, the temperature in Nawabshah, in Sindh Province, hit 45.5 degrees Celsius, or 113.9 degrees Fahrenheit. This beat the old monthly record of 45 degrees Celsius, or 113 degrees Fahrenheit, which was set in March of 1991. ...
https://mashable.com/2018/04/03/severe-heat-wave-asia-monthly-records/
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« Reply #2005 on: April 04, 2018, 02:16:05 AM »
Checking in from Nanjing, China... yep, it's been ridiculous here as well. The cherry blossom is out, and the past few days have felt almost like midsummer - 99% humidity, at over 30C. It's meant to be gentle spring sunshine, perhaps in the low 20s. Going back to normal today, though. Hopefully.

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« Reply #2006 on: April 04, 2018, 04:33:57 AM »
Checking in from Nanjing, China... yep, it's been ridiculous here as well. The cherry blossom is out, and the past few days have felt almost like midsummer - 99% humidity, at over 30C. It's meant to be gentle spring sunshine, perhaps in the low 20s. Going back to normal today, though. Hopefully.

Well send some of that warmth over to the states.  We are in the midst on another winter storm.

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« Reply #2007 on: April 04, 2018, 05:04:31 AM »
I don't have a news story to share with you but it's obscenely cold in the northern plains for early April.  It's 9f, windy, and snowing right now in northeastern South Dakota.  Twice this week we're flirting with both record lows for the date and record low maximum temps for the date.  I blame all the displaced cold air from the Arctic being shunted down our way.  It's been colder than average for several weeks and looks to remain so for at least another week.
I am beginning to become concerned we may see major crop failures in the Plains and Midwest this year. The forecast for the next 10 days shows snow and cold *worsening* across the northern tier of the US -- it is literally an equivalent to the Day After Tomorrow relative to the Aprils we have seen since the 1800s. This is seriously BEYOND and somehow the only people who know about this seem to be on this forum?!?!



In fact, North America may still be pre-peak SWE, possibly impending in next few days...!

Hemispheric SWE has now risen to about 50% above 98-11 average measurements (4,300KM^3 vs ~2,800 KM^3).




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« Reply #2008 on: April 04, 2018, 06:50:38 AM »
<Clip> This is seriously BEYOND and somehow the only people who know about this seem to be on this forum?!?!



In fact, North America may still be pre-peak SWE, possibly impending in next few days...!

Hemispheric SWE has now risen to about 50% above 98-11 average measurements (4,300KM^3 vs ~2,800 KM^3).


Thank Pruitt, Trump et al. for the widespread news coverage. No doubt we'll hear plenty of of heroic efforts of white racist technocrats against the floods. (S)More AR-15s should be deployed to control the effects of this. (/S)
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« Reply #2009 on: April 04, 2018, 08:31:52 AM »
The 00z EURO is through 120 with a storm impending and 20" of snow on the ground in DC 4/7-4/8. It looks like a historic East Coast storm may be impending with another on top. In April. !!!!!

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« Reply #2010 on: April 04, 2018, 01:56:22 PM »
The 00z EURO is through 120 with a storm impending and 20" of snow on the ground in DC 4/7-4/8. It looks like a historic East Coast storm may be impending with another on top. In April. !!!!!

It is truly impressive.  We have not had a winter hang on for so long in eons - and with no end in sight.  Hopefully, it will change soon, and not affect the growing season significantly. 

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« Reply #2011 on: April 04, 2018, 04:19:22 PM »
The "Spring" (March - May) of 1973 was very unusual in northeaster New Mexico (USA).  I was taking a ten-week intensive surveying course, and every Saturday (with a full day of field exercises) but one had either snow on the ground (up to  8 or 10"), snow in the air, or very windy (someone had to hold each tripod to keep them from blowing over).  Snow on the ground was easy to deal with, but active snow storms drove us to survey the halls and stairwells of the Science Building (the floors were not as flat as they looked).  The final weekend had glorious weather.

I imagine there was a 'stuck' jet stream then as I presume there is now.
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« Reply #2012 on: April 04, 2018, 07:01:22 PM »
Here in Central California, we're expecting an atmospheric river to hit Friday, with snow levels starting at 9,000ft.  We've had a dry year, though March was decent.  Our snow pact at mid-latitudes is really lacking, but at the highest Sierra Nevada locations, the snow is a better.

We had some record highs this last week, but not over the whole state.  We have run quite a bit warmer than usual at times, (great web and data tools for California at: https://calclim.dri.edu/) and http://cdec.water.ca.gov/queryTools.html
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« Reply #2013 on: April 05, 2018, 02:52:18 AM »
I don't have a news story to share with you but it's obscenely cold in the northern plains for early April.  It's 9f, windy, and snowing right now in northeastern South Dakota.  Twice this week we're flirting with both record lows for the date and record low maximum temps for the date.  I blame all the displaced cold air from the Arctic being shunted down our way.  It's been colder than average for several weeks and looks to remain so for at least another week.
I am beginning to become concerned we may see major crop failures in the Plains and Midwest this year. The forecast for the next 10 days shows snow and cold *worsening* across the northern tier of the US -- it is literally an equivalent to the Day After Tomorrow relative to the Aprils we have seen since the 1800s. This is seriously BEYOND and somehow the only people who know about this seem to be on this forum?!?!



In fact, North America may still be pre-peak SWE, possibly impending in next few days...!

Hemispheric SWE has now risen to about 50% above 98-11 average measurements (4,300KM^3 vs ~2,800 KM^3).



Spring snows are the absolute perfect precipitation for farms in the Midwest and Plains states as the water slowly seeps into the soil as the snow melts. Crops don't get planted for a while and when planting season begins the snow will be gone.

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« Reply #2014 on: April 05, 2018, 04:57:19 PM »
Arctic lake's ecosystem changes after 1 degree of warming, study shows
Fish get smaller in Lake Hazen while sediment and contaminants increase
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Canadian scientists thought one of the Arctic's largest lakes could handle small changes in climate, but it turns out that's not the case.

A study published recently in the journal Nature Communications, found that it only took 1 C of warming in the last 18 years to change the ecosystem in Lake Hazen on Ellesmere Island in Nunavut — which holds more water than any other lake in the High Arctic. ...
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4603809
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« Reply #2015 on: April 06, 2018, 02:20:37 PM »
Bitterly cold and a whiteout (from the 16th floor) at the moment here in Cambridge Ont. Can. - unseasonably cold.


Talked to a gal yesterday about last fall's observations of no insects and very few song birds. She lives right on the river and has friends in a bird watching society. She's promised to pass on my concerns and to get back to me with their observations.


I'll post as soon as I've heard anything, but probably on the insects thread.
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« Reply #2016 on: April 07, 2018, 04:41:26 PM »
10°F = -12°C

“#Wheat hurting this morning in Kansas and Oklahoma. Some areas in the single digits, many in the teens... 👀🌾 #oatt #agwx ”
https://twitter.com/EdValleeWx/status/982613027554983936
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« Reply #2017 on: April 07, 2018, 04:55:29 PM »
10°F = -12°C

“#Wheat hurting this morning in Kansas and Oklahoma. Some areas in the single digits, many in the teens... 👀🌾 #oatt #agwx ”
https://twitter.com/EdValleeWx/status/982613027554983936
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If this keeps up for another two weeks or more as is quite possible, the ramifications for crops will become increasingly severe.

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« Reply #2018 on: April 07, 2018, 05:13:38 PM »




Fear not.
Our friendly Russian partners have been growing bumper crops of non-Monsantonized wheat in the recent years. I'm sure they'll have plenty for all that are in need.
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« Reply #2019 on: April 07, 2018, 10:53:24 PM »
Locally another snow day in April.
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« Reply #2020 on: April 08, 2018, 01:23:16 AM »
Locally another snow day in April.
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Funny how quickly we got used to warmer springs. Now when we get what used to be normal it feels extremely cold and snowy. You near Cambridge? Check out the history of weather there: https://cambridge.weatherstats.ca 

Here in Ottawa I've gotten used to the idea of wanting to get the garden started in April even though traditionally last frost is expected around Victoria Day.

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« Reply #2022 on: April 08, 2018, 08:30:37 AM »
Locally another snow day in April.
Terry
Funny how quickly we got used to warmer springs. Now when we get what used to be normal it feels extremely cold and snowy. You near Cambridge? Check out the history of weather there: https://cambridge.weatherstats.ca 

Here in Ottawa I've gotten used to the idea of wanting to get the garden started in April even though traditionally last frost is expected around Victoria Day.
Right in the middle of Cambridge. The city hall bell, (a gift from Queen Victoria) tolls the hour just  a few blocks from my balcony. :)
I grew up here but was away for over 40 years. This feels like a damn cold April!
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« Reply #2023 on: April 08, 2018, 01:38:27 PM »
Across most locations in the continental US east of the Mississippi River, February was warmer than March and April has been continuing the trend.

ghoti, I don't recall that happening frequently back in the day!

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« Reply #2024 on: April 09, 2018, 07:40:31 AM »
Welcome back reds.
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« Reply #2025 on: April 09, 2018, 04:40:09 PM »
U.S.:  northern Plains and upper Midwest

“Contour map of how cold we have been in the last week.  Worst in the nrn plains and upper Midwest.  20F+ below average for a week.  That is way out on the temperature distribution.   #aprilcold  #midwest ”
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« Reply #2026 on: April 09, 2018, 04:43:37 PM »
Michigan, U.S.

“Yes you are reading that right — An unofficial new state record low has been broken for the month of April with temperatures bottoming out at -24 degrees. Winter hanging on strong.“
     https://twitter.com/weatheroptics/status/983352134975590401
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« Reply #2027 on: April 09, 2018, 09:22:22 PM »
The 12z EURO drops 2-6" of freezing rain across Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ontario, New York, and New England, followed by substantial snows in some of those same areas. This is from day 4 through day 8. The duration is unimaginable and the impact would be far worse than the 1998 event.

I would think that almost all of Michigan and northern Wisconsin would end up without power if what is depicted unfolds (and same for SE Ontario). And then they would be subject to continued sub-freezing temps as the snows continue through D10+.

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« Reply #2028 on: April 10, 2018, 12:20:41 AM »
Michigan, U.S.

“Yes you are reading that right — An unofficial new state record low has been broken for the month of April with temperatures bottoming out at -24 degrees. Winter hanging on strong.“
     https://twitter.com/weatheroptics/status/983352134975590401
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Cold but not the coldest April temperatures in Michigan.

1st April 1923 saw lower April temperatures at two stations:

Bergland -34 F

Humboldt -30 F

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« Reply #2029 on: April 11, 2018, 03:57:11 AM »
This was our summer downunder:

Why our sea scorched: NZ's incredible marine heatwave

"Scientists say we've all just experienced an event that would be considered unusual even 30 years from now, when temperatures could be a degree warmer.
And they don't expect to see anything like the freak "marine heatwave" that turned the Tasman Sea into a warm bath for a long time.
It fired our record-hot summer, melted ice caps and lured swarms of jellyfish to our shores.
And although summer is long behind us, the marine heatwave and its effects on our weather linger on."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12028417
& again:
Marine heatwaves to grow longer, stronger, more frequent
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12029763

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« Reply #2030 on: April 11, 2018, 04:07:01 AM »
This was our summer downunder:

Why our sea scorched: NZ's incredible marine heatwave

"Scientists say we've all just experienced an event that would be considered unusual even 30 years from now, when temperatures could be a degree warmer.
And they don't expect to see anything like the freak "marine heatwave" that turned the Tasman Sea into a warm bath for a long time.
It fired our record-hot summer, melted ice caps and lured swarms of jellyfish to our shores.
And although summer is long behind us, the marine heatwave and its effects on our weather linger on."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12028417
& again:
Marine heatwaves to grow longer, stronger, more frequent
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12029763

I think this is proof that "scientists" are idiots. Why would an event that is recurring with worse and worse frequency not be seen again in our lifetimes? Do these idiots not see the soaring CO2 #s? It is ludicrous that on the one end we are supposed to trust these nincompoops and on the other they keep parroting the doctrine that "everything is fine" when it is clearly not.

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« Reply #2033 on: April 13, 2018, 04:09:42 AM »
I got a roast for the crock for tomorrow here in north central South Dakota.  It's gonna be fun!!!  Let it fly I say.  We need the moisture here, coming off the severe drought last summer.

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« Reply #2034 on: April 14, 2018, 12:32:30 AM »
Germany gets endless sunshine at 25C next week. Not that this hasn't happened before and 30C days are not unheard of, but this year it basically went from March winter to April summer.

Can't really tell how this relates to climate change and sea ice, but it certainly feels "not normal".

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« Reply #2035 on: April 14, 2018, 01:05:03 AM »
Germany gets endless sunshine at 25C next week. Not that this hasn't happened before and 30C days are not unheard of, but this year it basically went from March winter to April summer.

Can't really tell how this relates to climate change and sea ice, but it certainly feels "not normal".
I have a hunch that we do not give tropical/low-latitude snowpack enough credit for its sensible effects on our weather due to albedo feedback.

This is probably relevant to Germany because of the Atlas Mountains. I suspect that when significant snowcover exists over this region, it "anchors" troughing over Europe, and allows more moisture to be scooped up by incoming systems from the west.

Without the "anchor" of Atlas snowpack, the track drifts substantially north, with the mountains of Portugal and Spain another "bulwark". But they are nowhere near as effective at allowing cold airmasses into Europe as the Atlas Mountains are.

On a similar note, I suspect Hawaii acts in the same capacity for the standing ridge we see develop over the Rockies/Alaska. This is increasingly due to more MOISTURE, not cold, as the volcano tops in these areas are generally cold enough for snow, just not moist enough.

But when it DOES snow, especially in fall/spring months, the impact is especially outsized due to the amount of solar radiation reflected at 19.82N, and the lack of other "weather-generating" geographic features between the West Coast, Hawaii, and Asia.

http://today.oregonstate.edu/archives/2010/aug/ancient-hawaiian-glaciers-reveal-clues-global-climate-impacts

"However, the new research found that the glacier on Mauna Kea began to re-advance to almost its ice age size about 15,400 years ago. That coincides almost exactly with a major slowdown of what scientists call the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation, or AMOC, in the North Atlantic Ocean."

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« Reply #2036 on: April 14, 2018, 05:19:42 AM »
The 00z RGEM ups the ante and drops 3"+ of freezing rain over SE Ontario...

It is increasingly looking like Chicago, Detroit, and Toronto are all in the line of fire for the ZR threat, especially Detroit (IMO).


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« Reply #2037 on: April 14, 2018, 06:39:21 PM »
The 00z RGEM ups the ante and drops 3"+ of freezing rain over SE Ontario...

It is increasingly looking like Chicago, Detroit, and Toronto are all in the line of fire for the ZR threat, especially Detroit (IMO).

Got all my errands done early.  Staying in for the rest of the weekend.

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« Reply #2038 on: April 15, 2018, 01:53:53 AM »
“Meanwhile, a blizzard warning in Minneapolis with 6-7" already on the ground Reports indicate blinding snow, 30-40 mph wind gusts, + even some THUNDER clocking area. Up to 15" possible before it's over.”
Radar GIF at the link.

“This may be an historic storm if the current forecast pans out. 
8-15 inches are likely from west central MN to central WI and strong winds/blizzard conditions across western MN. Some freezing rain will fall across southern MN as well. #mnwx #wiwx “
https://twitter.com/NWSTwinCities/status/984565471482654721
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“As predicted (14"), today's snowstorm in the Twin Cities will be its worst April snowstorm on record, and one of the worst for any month.
A friend is working in a bar there this afternoon, they're playing Christmas music. ”
https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/985234935823740928
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« Reply #2039 on: April 15, 2018, 01:58:17 AM »
“Meanwhile, a blizzard warning in Minneapolis with 6-7" already on the ground Reports indicate blinding snow, 30-40 mph wind gusts, + even some THUNDER clocking area. Up to 15" possible before it's over.”
Radar GIF at the link.

“This may be an historic storm if the current forecast pans out. 
8-15 inches are likely from west central MN to central WI and strong winds/blizzard conditions across western MN. Some freezing rain will fall across southern MN as well. #mnwx #wiwx “
https://twitter.com/NWSTwinCities/status/984565471482654721
Graphics at the link.

“As predicted (14"), today's snowstorm in the Twin Cities will be its worst April snowstorm on record, and one of the worst for any month.
A friend is working in a bar there this afternoon, they're playing Christmas music. ”
https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/985234935823740928
Data at the link.

This winter storm is one of the most anomalous events I have ever seen, perhaps the most anomalous. It has the profile / cold of a January or February storm except we are only about 67 days before solstice...

AND the models are now showing another snowstorm on the heels of this one! As we keep heading deeper into spring it seems the models continue correcting in the medium/LR toward colder, they have been way too quick to eliminate the 1,550KM^3 block of snow over North America.

I think we will see sustained heavy snows across the Canadian Shield through early May, at minimum... but again, I could be wrong!

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« Reply #2040 on: April 15, 2018, 02:18:05 AM »
Germany gets endless sunshine at 25C next week.
Last Sunday here in Barvaria I sat outside half naked at 22C, watching the Sun go down. But then it got cold a bit too quick... Now I hope to cure the bronchitis etc. I catched quick enough to enjoy next week. :)
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« Reply #2041 on: April 15, 2018, 03:28:03 AM »
The forecast does not get any better, with two more systems forecast for the Heartland.

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« Reply #2042 on: April 15, 2018, 04:55:44 AM »
Temperature contrast in the US is just incredible. 30C as far north as Pennsylvania and West Virginia and and -5C with severe blizzard conditions around the Great Lakes, Wisconsin, Minnesota etc

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« Reply #2043 on: April 15, 2018, 05:37:05 AM »


But when it DOES snow, especially in fall/spring months, the impact is especially outsized due to the amount of solar radiation reflected at 19.82N, and the lack of other "weather-generating" geographic features between the West Coast, Hawaii, and Asia.


And in one simple sentence, he makes the entire Pacific Ocean disappear.   :o

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« Reply #2044 on: April 15, 2018, 05:42:22 AM »


But when it DOES snow, especially in fall/spring months, the impact is especially outsized due to the amount of solar radiation reflected at 19.82N, and the lack of other "weather-generating" geographic features between the West Coast, Hawaii, and Asia.


And in one simple sentence, he makes the entire Pacific Ocean disappear.   :o

Do you know of any mountains between Hawaii and Asia / North America/ Do tell!  ::)

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« Reply #2045 on: April 15, 2018, 05:48:03 AM »


But when it DOES snow, especially in fall/spring months, the impact is especially outsized due to the amount of solar radiation reflected at 19.82N, and the lack of other "weather-generating" geographic features between the West Coast, Hawaii, and Asia.


And in one simple sentence, he makes the entire Pacific Ocean disappear.   :o

Do you know of any mountains between Hawaii and Asia / North America/ Do tell!  ::)

The Pacific Ocean is a particularly large geographical feature that is between Asia and the West coast of N.A.

Hint: Some climate scientists think that the Pacific Ocean has an impact on our climate and weather.

To catch up on the science, you might want to visit here...

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2228.0.html

...where one of our resident experts can help you understand how inconsequential Hawaii is to our weather.

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« Reply #2046 on: April 15, 2018, 05:52:38 AM »


But when it DOES snow, especially in fall/spring months, the impact is especially outsized due to the amount of solar radiation reflected at 19.82N, and the lack of other "weather-generating" geographic features between the West Coast, Hawaii, and Asia.


And in one simple sentence, he makes the entire Pacific Ocean disappear.   :o

Do you know of any mountains between Hawaii and Asia / North America/ Do tell!  ::)

The Pacific Ocean is a particularly large geographical feature that is between Asia and the West coast of N.A.

Hint: Some climate scientists think that the Pacific Ocean has an impact on our climate and weather.

i have reported you. i will not engage further. leave me alone, you are not arguing, you are instigating and being an a**hole.

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« Reply #2047 on: April 15, 2018, 05:56:35 AM »


But when it DOES snow, especially in fall/spring months, the impact is especially outsized due to the amount of solar radiation reflected at 19.82N, and the lack of other "weather-generating" geographic features between the West Coast, Hawaii, and Asia.


And in one simple sentence, he makes the entire Pacific Ocean disappear.   :o

Do you know of any mountains between Hawaii and Asia / North America/ Do tell!  ::)

The Pacific Ocean is a particularly large geographical feature that is between Asia and the West coast of N.A.

Hint: Some climate scientists think that the Pacific Ocean has an impact on our climate and weather.

i have reported you. i will not engage further. leave me alone, you are not arguing, you are instigating and being an a**hole.

I am directing you to a thread that is rich in science with links to research that makes a compelling argument that the Pacific Ocean has an outsized impact on the climate of the planet. While not a scientist myself, this layperson suspects that the Pacific Ocean has a much larger impact on weather and climate than snow covered mountains in Hawaii.

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« Reply #2048 on: April 15, 2018, 06:04:21 AM »


But when it DOES snow, especially in fall/spring months, the impact is especially outsized due to the amount of solar radiation reflected at 19.82N, and the lack of other "weather-generating" geographic features between the West Coast, Hawaii, and Asia.


And in one simple sentence, he makes the entire Pacific Ocean disappear.   :o

Do you know of any mountains between Hawaii and Asia / North America/ Do tell!  ::)

The Pacific Ocean is a particularly large geographical feature that is between Asia and the West coast of N.A.

Hint: Some climate scientists think that the Pacific Ocean has an impact on our climate and weather.

i have reported you. i will not engage further. leave me alone, you are not arguing, you are instigating and being an a**hole.

I am directing you to a thread that is rich in science with links to research that makes a compelling argument that the Pacific Ocean has an outsized impact on the climate of the planet. While not a scientist myself, this layperson suspects that the Pacific Ocean has a much larger impact on weather and climate than snow covered mountains in Hawaii.

You are misquoting me. I never said what you are implying. You are being a douche.

"the impact is especially outsized due to the amount of solar radiation reflected at 19.82N, and the lack of other "weather-generating" geographic features between the West Coast, Hawaii, and Asia."

My implication was specific and clear, your distraction is ignorant and immature.

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« Reply #2049 on: April 15, 2018, 06:08:44 AM »
You do understand that geography is the study of the natural environment which includes the atmosphere, hydrosphere, biosphere, and geosphere?

And trust me, whether covered or barren of snow, Hawaii has an imperceptible impact on the weather of the planet