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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3100 on: April 14, 2020, 12:03:20 AM »
But Kansas is in Georgia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas,_Georgia
Or at least, this one is...    :o
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« Reply #3101 on: April 14, 2020, 12:02:33 PM »
Tornado in Georgia Lifts House, Drops It On Middle of Road as Deadly Severe Storms Strike

I might be biased as a European, but maybe americans should build brick/stone etc houses, not "paperboard". Then their houses wouldn't be blown away by the wind. Even my grandpa's adobe (clay+straw, finished with lime on the outside) house (built by his own hands) was more resilient than these wooden structures - and besides was nicely cool during summer and easy to heat up during winter. BTW, that adobe home is still OK after almost a hundred years

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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3102 on: April 15, 2020, 01:51:17 AM »
https://www.windy.com/-Thunderstorms-thunder?thunder,2020-04-19-00,31.479,-91.369,6

After the last few days tornado-palooza in the US, next week is showing a potential for severe thunderstoms near the Texas / Louisiana border.
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3103 on: April 16, 2020, 12:48:29 PM »
2 inches (5 cm) of snow.
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3104 on: April 16, 2020, 02:58:16 PM »
Helsinki weather station made a snow record for this "winter".  3cm of snow at 09:00 on April 16th.

A tiny bit of snow in springtime is not that unusual, but this is weird for two reasons: 3cm max snow means there was no snow this winter and, max snow never occurs in mid-April.

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« Reply #3105 on: April 16, 2020, 03:19:38 PM »
We had a similar pattern here in the Netherlands but just with -C temps (no snow at all).

Two or three days that dipped below zero in december or january. Then a week of them with some nights also colder in april.

The polar jetstream was rather coherent this winter so this is almost like the early 80ies (but then we had snow into march in bad years). And of course the proper winter was very much around then.
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3106 on: April 16, 2020, 03:58:34 PM »
Tornado in Georgia Lifts House, Drops It On Middle of Road as Deadly Severe Storms Strike

I might be biased as a European, but maybe americans should build brick/stone etc houses, not "paperboard". Then their houses wouldn't be blown away by the wind. ... BTW, that adobe home is still OK after almost a hundred years

Just as a historical note: The reason many countries 'chose' to build houses out of things other than wood was because they had deforested their country and were left with nothing else but stone and earth.

Examples:

Roman empires deforestation of the Mediterranean area
English empires deforestation of England
Viking deforestation of Iceland
China's deforestation of China

The same is true of much of historic Europe

The trees you see today were not there 100s of years ago. Those that are are there because lumber is being sourced from elsewhere/another country.

Stone lasts longer but it is easier to build with wood.
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3107 on: April 16, 2020, 04:08:49 PM »
We, just like most of Europe , had a mild winter as the cold stayed winthin the Arctic, and the jetstream "behaved". However, this also led to much cold air accumulating in the Arctic longer than usual and spilling out during March and April wave after wave. This first killed apricot flowers, then peach and now the latest one killed many cherry, plum and pear flowers even. Sure as hell, fruits are going to be expensive this summer...
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3108 on: April 16, 2020, 10:20:56 PM »
Cold as unusual here in Southwest Ontario with a sprinkling of snow last night.


An unusually mild winter followed by a cold period with few signs of spring.
The Grand River didn't even threaten to freeze up this year even though the break up of the ice had been recorded each year for over 100 years prior to the 1960s.



Spring has sprung
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Fall has fell


Tis Spring again
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Cold as - - unusual
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3109 on: April 16, 2020, 10:35:51 PM »
I think it is more about building standards than materials. When I was a child we lived in a large house built on lake Erie before electricity. One night during a storm we heard a loud thud. A large houndred plus year old tree fell on the house. Total damage to the house was 3 cracked slate roofing tiles. Thats it nothing else.

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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3110 on: April 17, 2020, 01:53:38 PM »
Meteorological Winter 2019-20 lasted 5 days in southern Finland. This is way shorter than previous record. People are talking of the 'eternal November'. This is because the definition requires a period of subzero days to be long enough to be counted as winter. There is some discussion if the definition of Meteorological Winter should be changed.

https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000006477671.html

I'm of the opinion that a new limit for winter should be the lake water turning over point of +4°C. It's also the temperature at which broadleaved plants stop their photosynthesis, so this could even be more significant barrier for winter.
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« Reply #3111 on: April 17, 2020, 02:58:09 PM »
Especially if the standard is meteorology then long term comparison is more important then being able to discuss we are now in MW or not which is the only reason why i can think of for people wanting to change the definition. 

I think the traditional Finnish definition of Metereological Winter is fine. Just keep it and then count how long it´s gone in the coming years. Perkele!
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« Reply #3112 on: April 21, 2020, 11:57:47 AM »
Hello

This is a weird weather report from Changchun city, Jilin Province, In North East China up near the Korean Penisular.  It is a very late Spring here but about 5 days ago the trees became green over night and a peach tree went into full bloom literally overnight.  This morning we woke to find snow and it has been heavily snowing all day.  This is very strange.  Also it can not be good for the crops, trees etc.

Shaanxi province much much further down south had heavy hail.  Also very bad for the crops. :(

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« Reply #3113 on: April 24, 2020, 07:21:51 PM »
Downtown Los Angeles Will Soar to Record Temperatures Today While Beaches Remain Closed
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/24/weather/los-angeles-california-forecast-heat/index.html

Southern California will continue to bake in a summer-like heatwave through the weekend. There is the potential for a dozen record highs, including in Sacramento, Los Angeles, and Phoenix.

Over 18 million people are under heat advisories across southern California.



"Downtown LA hit 92 degrees yesterday and will approach 100 today, which will likely break the old 93-degree daily record high," CNN meteorologist Dave Hennen says.
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3114 on: April 28, 2020, 03:49:18 AM »
The U.S. Is Having One of Its Deadliest Tornado Years in a Decade
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Tornadoes in 2020 have claimed 73 lives as of April 24, according to NOAA's Storm Prediction Center. Those have all occurred in eight southern states, with Tennessee and Mississippi having the most.

Since 1980, the yearly death toll from tornadoes exceeded 70 just seven other times.
...
One reason this year has been so deadly is that there have been a number of strong tornadoes, which account for a larger number of tornado fatalities. Nearly 95% of tornado deaths from 2000 to 2019 were from strong (EF2/EF3) or violent tornadoes (EF4/EF5).
https://weather.com/storms/tornado/news/2020-04-27-2020-tornado-outbreaks-south-impacts
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« Reply #3115 on: April 28, 2020, 02:56:24 PM »
The U.S. Is Having One of Its Deadliest Tornado Years in a Decade
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Tornadoes in 2020 have claimed 73 lives as of April 24, according to NOAA's Storm Prediction Center. Those have all occurred in eight southern states, with Tennessee and Mississippi having the most.

Since 1980, the yearly death toll from tornadoes exceeded 70 just seven other times.
...
One reason this year has been so deadly is that there have been a number of strong tornadoes, which account for a larger number of tornado fatalities. Nearly 95% of tornado deaths from 2000 to 2019 were from strong (EF2/EF3) or violent tornadoes (EF4/EF5).
https://weather.com/storms/tornado/news/2020-04-27-2020-tornado-outbreaks-south-impacts

Not surprising considering the extensive cold winter in the west.

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« Reply #3116 on: April 29, 2020, 10:11:04 PM »
From Brian Brettschneider:

Congrats to Utqiaġvik, Alaska, on their record low temperature of -20°F this morning! This is their first record low since Dec 21, 2007. In that same period, they set or tied 112 record high temperatures.

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« Reply #3117 on: May 01, 2020, 01:15:33 PM »
Last winter in the Netherlands we put the second lowest amount of salt on the roads in winter.
It was 16 million kilos. Lowest ever 12 M in 2013/14.

Average for last 10 years is 90 M kilos per winter.

Average temp was 6,4 C instead of 3,4 C

https://www.nu.nl/binnenland/6048438/strooiwagens-strooien-op-een-na-laagste-hoeveelheid-zout-ooit.html
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« Reply #3118 on: May 02, 2020, 02:41:58 PM »
Flooding devastates Ecuador’s indigenous communities in the Amazon

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Over the past couple of weeks, the surging water levels have left hundreds homeless, washing away homes, schools, crops, animals and a bridge in the Sarayaku indigenous community. The floods have also affected the Pacayaku and Teresa Mama indigenous communities.

“I don’t think any one of us imagined how bad it would be,” said Helena Gualinga, an environmental and indigenous rights defender and resident of the Sarayaku community. “We’ve seen floods before, but never anything this devastating or big. This one was completely different. The river reached levels that we never actually thought possible before.”

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In 2018, a study published in the journal Science Advances revealed that extreme flooding events in the Amazon Basin have indeed increased in recent decades as a result of a combination of factors. One of those factors is an increase of warm, moist air — partly as a result of human-driven climate change — from the tropical Atlantic Ocean across South America toward the Pacific. Scientists call this pattern the Walker Circulation. As it has grown stronger, floods in the Amazon have become more intense and longer-lasting, putting lives and livelihoods at greater risk.

...

Helena Gualinga, who is 18 years old, saw her first flood when she was about 10 or 11. “My elders used to tell me that a flood came every 20 years,” she said in an interview. “The year I saw that first flood, I also saw five others. Now it’s just increasing and also the intensity. It’s not that it rains more. It’s that when it rains, it’s more intense.”

...

https://news.mongabay.com/2020/05/flooding-devastates-ecuadors-indigenous-communities-in-the-amazon/
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« Reply #3119 on: May 08, 2020, 03:59:36 AM »
NWS WPC: "For those in the east...no, you are not hallucinating...these are the actual forecast high temperatures on Saturday, May 9th. Yes, May! Near a 100 degree [F] difference across the U.S. between the expected lowest max on Mt. Washington, NH to the highest max in Death Valley, CA.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/nwswpc/status/1258517061120090117
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« Reply #3120 on: May 08, 2020, 05:22:20 AM »
^ Related ...

Frosts, Freezes, Snowflakes? Northeast Braces for a Miserably Memorable May Weekend
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/frosts-freezes-snowflakes-northeast-braces-for-a-miserably-memorable-may-weekend

... Weather Channel meteorologist Jim Cantore noted that temperatures at the 500-mb level, about 19,000 feet up, could reach –40°F (–40°C) over the Great Lakes this weekend. That would be a first anywhere in the U.S. in May, according to data from NOAA's Storm Prediction Center dating to the mid-20th century. Reflecting the extreme upper-level cold, the height of the 500-mb surface could be at its lowest over New York City for any May day on record.

As the cold upper air moves atop the relatively mild Atlantic, intensifying low pressure may become a meteorological bomb, or “bomb cyclone”—defined as a drop in the storm's central pressure of at least 24 mb in 24 hours or less—by the time it moves into the Gulf of Maine Saturday. The storm could be strong enough to set all-time May pressure records along the Maine coast, according to data compiled by David Roth (NOAAA/NWS Weather Prediction Center).

If that wasn't enough, Roth noted the strength of high pressure could set May records over the Canadian Arctic. ...
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« Reply #3121 on: May 09, 2020, 05:06:43 PM »
Well, we had snow this morning in Twinsburg.
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« Reply #3122 on: May 09, 2020, 05:56:02 PM »
Well, we had snow this morning in Twinsburg.

Cleveland, too. Enough stuck to surfaces to make it look like winter out there.

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« Reply #3124 on: May 21, 2020, 06:53:56 AM »
This one is still several days out, but right now forecast is for Moosonee, Ontario -- situated on the southwestern tip of Hudson Bay -- to have the warmest temperatures in Canada this weekend. Should make a dent in the Hudson Bay sea ice.

"Despite the chance for some overcast skies this weekend, temperatures will climb above seasonal and Moosonee is looking like it could be the warmest city not only in Ontario, but in the entire country.

Lake breezes will keep temperatures in southern Ontario between the low to mid 20s, but without the winds from the Great Lakes, Moosonee is currently looking like it will climb to 28°C on Sunday."

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/article/this-northern-city-in-ontario-will-be-canadas-hot-spot-this-weekend

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« Reply #3125 on: May 23, 2020, 07:57:12 PM »
It Hit 80 Degrees in the Arctic This Week
https://earther.gizmodo.com/it-hit-80-degrees-in-the-arctic-this-week-1843606717



Mika Rantanen, a researcher at the Finnish Meteorological Institute, flagged a map showing blistering heat across western Siberia. The region has been the epicenter of an explosive heat wave that has rippled across the Arctic this week. Models forecast temperatures there will be as much as 36 degrees Fahrenheit above normal for this time of year. The heat could break a bit by the middle of next week, but widespread warmth will continue to grip the region.


https://mobile.twitter.com/mikarantane/status/1263507810773590017

Then there are the ocean impacts, because climate change doesn’t just stop at the water’s edge. Warmth has washed over the seas that border Siberia, and the Kara Sea north of the western part of the region has seen the most precipitous decline in sea ice. After a slow decline in the first part of May, warm air has fueled a stark decline in sea ice. As of earlier this week, ice extent was the lowest level that’s ever been record in May.


https://mobile.twitter.com/ZLabe/status/1263131323964637185

Last summer, it reached nearly 95 degrees Fahrenheit above the Arctic Circle in Sweden. The same summer, the mercury hit 70 degrees Fahrenheit at the northernmost settlement on the planet. Greenland also melted and burned.

... But how many ways can you talk about the fact that the Arctic is just extremely, massively fucked by climate change when the impacts are relentless? After a while, the degrees above normal start to feel normal, and the records are ephemeral, set to broken again the next year.
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« Reply #3126 on: May 23, 2020, 11:19:47 PM »

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« Reply #3127 on: May 24, 2020, 02:53:47 AM »
VM, that was just a blank post.
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« Reply #3128 on: May 24, 2020, 03:58:24 AM »
Parts of Siberia are hotter than Washington, D.C., with temperatures nearly 40 degrees F above average
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Siberia is in the throes of a heat wave that would be considered warm even by the standards of those living outside the Arctic Circle.

In Washington, for example, the temperature has been stuck in the 60s all week, reaching a maximum of 73 degrees Thursday. Yet several stations in North Central Siberia, including areas near or above the Arctic Circle, are seeing temperatures climb well into the 80s.

On Friday, the town of Khatanga, Siberia, located well north of the Arctic Circle, recorded a temperature of 78 degrees, some 46 degrees above normal. The typical maximum temperature for the day at that location is 32 degrees. The town obliterated its previous record high for the date of 54 by some 24 degrees and its monthly record of 68 by about 10 degrees.

The Siberian warmth in May is not a fluke event, either; instead, it’s been a consistent feature since the winter. Temperature departures from average in Europe and Asia have helped push global average surface temperatures to record highs this year, and on global temperature maps, these regions stand out as splotches of crimson red.

The warmth in Siberia is already having repercussions on Arctic ecosystems, with unusually large Siberian wildfires already burning this year, snow cover plummeting unusually quickly and sea ice cover in areas such as the Kara Sea, which lies to the north of Central Siberia, at a record low for the date, having begun its seasonal melt more than a month earlier than is typical. ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/05/22/siberia-heat-wave/

Image:  January to April temperature departures from average, showing the most significant temperature anomalies across Russia, including Siberia. (Berkeley Earth)
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« Reply #3129 on: May 25, 2020, 09:55:22 AM »
Hailstones Bigger Than Grapefruit Pummeled a North Texas Town On Friday
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/05/24/near-record-sized-hailstones-bigger-than-many-grapefruits-pummeled-north-texas-town-thursday/?outputType=amp

... One of the largest hailstones was first measured by a broadcast meteorologist from a Wichita Falls station, which led to the 5.33-inch value that officially went in the books. Rick Smith, the warning coordination meteorologist at the National Weather Service office in Norman, Okla., stopped by to investigate the hail while en route to inspect for tornado damage.

What impressed Smith the most was the number of large hailstones that were recovered. In hailstorms, the largest stones often fall among a much greater quantity of smaller hailstones. The fact that multiple five-inch stones were retrieved and that damage was so widely reported, at least locally, highlights the impressive nature of the event.

Residents “were giving me a list of other homes that had damage,” Smith said. “There’s no doubt there were more holes in roofs, more hail damage than we even know about. This was not just one five-inch stone, it was probably multiple four to five-inch stones. That kind of hail is rare, but to get that volume of it is incredibly rare.” ...
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« Reply #3130 on: May 25, 2020, 11:53:58 AM »
not quite as dramatic , but here in N.I. we have had quite an event as our unnamed storm became a 72 hour event . The wind has devastated the foliage on many trees , shrubs and herbs . I live over 100 miles from the sea and have never seen such damage other than near the coast with salt laden winds . After 8 weeks of drought it was the last thing we and our trees needed . b.c.
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« Reply #3131 on: May 25, 2020, 05:06:24 PM »
While the Netherlands enters summer with the biggest rainfall deficit of 85 mm above the long term average slightly above 2018.

https://www.nu.nl/klimaat/6053499/zomer-begint-met-droogste-bodem-ooit-slechts-twee-jaar-na-record.html

Not much rain the next two weeks here or in Germany so this year might be a repeat of 2018 for the Rhine river which is good since it is so important for shipping that that wakes up some people.

 
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3132 on: May 26, 2020, 05:56:38 AM »
(nu.nl is a non-investigative online-only newspaper (clicks), mostly assembling news from other sources)

2020 still dryer than record drought year 1976.

Drought monitor Netherlands:  ('neerslag'= precipitation, 'tekort'= deficit)
https://www.knmi.nl/nederland-nu/klimatologie/droogtemonitor
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3133 on: May 26, 2020, 05:56:13 PM »
Yeah you are right about that. Thanks for the graph!
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3134 on: May 29, 2020, 12:04:53 PM »
the consequences of our little 72 hour storm over the weekend have been serious . This week the sky has been filled with the cries of the rooks swirling manically . I guessed there must be trouble . I passed under the trees yesterday and where there were 43 busy nests full of half grown young there is nothing but the remnants of 2 empty nests . The dog that harvested the bounty falling from the skies may not survive either .. 100+half feathered chicks would test anythings constitution .
  Too late to start again , it is the first time i have known a rookery to have a total fail . this has likely been repeated throughout the country . b.c.
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« Reply #3135 on: June 02, 2020, 03:34:25 PM »
The southern part of Oman is typically very dry, however this May during a 5 day period, an almost stationary tropical depression poured the equivalent of about 2 to 4 years of rain.

The maximum on the coastline immediately east of Salalah was up to 536.4 mm in Mirbat, 324.2 mm in Saadha and 228.4 mm in Salalah .

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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3136 on: June 04, 2020, 09:41:26 AM »
It's drizzling today in Antwerp, Belgium. YEAY!!!!  ;D

Article about the extreme drought in Belgium, but it's in Netherlandic.

I guess the graph says more than words...
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3137 on: June 04, 2020, 03:07:00 PM »
Covid-19 observation here, yesterday heard the 1st jet plane for over a month. Clouds as far as i can tell have been somewhat different compared to previous years during this period. Needs confirmation of course.

Helicopter activity picking up again. Yesterday was the first day with no new cases in Finland. Could have been a fluke, there are still some untraced infections around says the Helsinki area medical chief.
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3138 on: June 04, 2020, 03:58:18 PM »
It's drizzling today in Antwerp, Belgium. YEAY!!!!  ;D

Article about the extreme drought in Belgium


And also drought in Ireland: 

Met Éireann have tweeted that it's the driest spring (Mar,Apr,May) in Dublin since records began. (as far back as 1850 at Phoenix Park). Stats from 3 Dublin weather stations:

Phoenix Park total 52.6mm driest spring since records began in 1850.
Dublin Airport total 54.1mm driest spring on record (length 78 years).
Casement Aerodrome total 62.5mm driest spring on record (length 56 years).

And in the UK :

Professor Liz Bentley, chief executive of the Royal Meteorological Society, told BBC News: “We’ve swung from a really unsettled spell with weather systems coming in off the Atlantic to a very, very settled spell.

“It’s unprecedented to see such a swing from one extreme to the other in such a short space of time. That’s what concerns me. We don’t see these things normally happening with our seasons.

“It’s part of a pattern where we’re experiencing increasingly extreme weather as the climate changes.”

Mark McCarthy, from the Met Office, said: “If we look at the difference in rainfall that’s fallen over the winter compared to spring it is the largest difference in rainfall amount in our national series from 1862.

“The sunshine statistics are really astounding.

“The stand out is by how much sunshine has broken the previous record - set in 1948. There’s been more sunshine than most of our past summer seasons. It's quite remarkable."

One of his colleagues described the figures as "absolutely staggering"

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52877912
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« Reply #3139 on: June 04, 2020, 04:15:55 PM »
]Article about the extreme drought in Belgium[/url], but it's in Netherlandic.


Hey, respect your rivals. 8) That's Dutch! I think the locals might call it nederlans or nederlans taal. Nanning would know better.

I hope they still have enough water to make that wonderful Belgie abbey bier. I would so love a westmalle dubble right now.

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« Reply #3140 on: June 04, 2020, 05:17:33 PM »
There is a separate thread for drought news that hasn't seen a post recently:
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2980.0.html

Perhaps repost there?

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2007 + 5 = 2012 + 4 = 2016 + 3 = 2019 + 2 = 2021 
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« Reply #3142 on: June 05, 2020, 02:10:49 AM »
pretty scary video ..
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-52920766/norway-mudslide-buildings-swept-away-in-alta-disaster .. b.c.


Yeah, this one hurts, it's a normal thing to happen but then it's more rare where seddlements are present.


Basicall I always had to stop the video before the houses were drowning so I have to assume the did ;)
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« Reply #3143 on: June 08, 2020, 01:42:18 AM »
]Article about the extreme drought in Belgium, but it's in Netherlandic.


Hey, respect your rivals. 8) That's Dutch! I think the locals might call it nederlans or nederlans taal. Nanning would know better.

I hope they still have enough water to make that wonderful Belgie abbey bier. I would so love a westmalle dubble right now.
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Edit: You're right Nanning. I corrected it. I believe they are now officially trying to get rid of the name Holland? But I've been using it for 50 years, so I couldn't help myself in leaving it one time...  ;) In Antwerp we say Holland (Hollow Land). Nederland (Lowland) is used more in proper Netherlandic.
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3144 on: June 08, 2020, 03:57:34 AM »
Hey Freegrass, I think you are making the same sort of mistake:
'Holland' does not exist. I am from the Netherlands and I'm Frisian and don't like being called from 'Holland'.
Sort of the same thing as you have with 'Dutch' in stead of Netherlandic, which is the correct word I use and thank you for using that also :) .

Here in the north of the Netherlands this year has seen many changes to our weather systems. Especially the wind speed and general wind-direction have changed. Treetops swinging was something that happened occasionally when there were high winds, but this year there are high winds and swinging treetops every week on average. And where the direction was mostly south-western, nowadays it is dominated by winds coming from the north.
I sit in the woods every day and am surprised that most other people don't notice changes.
Whilst in a record drought year, the moment there's a bit of rain the people start complaining and wishing for nice weather, which means sunshine and comfortable temperatures.
Table below taken from: https://weerstatistieken.nl/
We also have had a record(?) number of sunshine hours this year. The middle column states "Zonuren (som)" which means "Sunshine hours cumulative".

What I can't explain is the third column which states "Neerslag (som)" = "Precipitation cumulative". Being in a record drought year according to our met-office KNMI, there are many years listed with lower totals.

Can someone explain that?

(It could have something to do with this specific weather station "De Bilt" which is located in the center of the Netherlands. Perhaps averaging over all weather stations changes this cumulative precipitation considerably)
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« Reply #3145 on: June 08, 2020, 01:06:54 PM »
They do use 13 stations in total and they use the evaporation too and as noted we had a lot of sunny skies.

https://www.knmi.nl/kennis-en-datacentrum/achtergrond/achtergrondinformatie-neerslagtekort
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« Reply #3146 on: June 08, 2020, 03:34:35 PM »
Thanks kassy, I had not yet thought of that.
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Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« Reply #3147 on: June 09, 2020, 07:47:27 PM »
TD Cristobal forecast to pass right over Lake Superior tomorrow morning, bringing a few inches of rain to some places. Will be interesting to see what sort of "storm surge" is generated, if any.

The forecast track for Cristobal has been remarkably reliable.

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« Reply #3148 on: June 09, 2020, 08:14:59 PM »
For comparison, the forecast track of Cristobal compared to all other tropical disturbances in NA since 1850. Source @MaxTsaparis


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