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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11400 on: March 26, 2024, 04:03:44 PM »
Good summary in this video about BYD on how it's a threat to Tesla.

90% of the world is religious, but somehow "love thy neighbour" became "fuck thy neighbours", if they don't agree with your point of view.

WTF happened?

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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11401 on: March 26, 2024, 04:55:03 PM »
… post more or less irrelevant material about Tesla, which I doubt very many people are interested in
On the contrary, the level of interest — shown by the number of views of the thread — is an order of magnitude above any other recent topic in Policy and Solutions.  It is #2 on the Top Ten Topics (By Replies).  Note that most of the other topics on that list have nothing to do with Arctic Sea Ice. 
 
Tesla’s products reduce carbon emissions, which is what AGW Policy and Solutions is all about, and Tesla’s EVs do so on a more personal level than simply agonizing about sea ice numbers.  Thus, intense interest in the company, and rooting for its success, is understandable, and beneficial to addressing the climate crisis.
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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11402 on: March 26, 2024, 04:58:57 PM »
Tesla settles with Black worker after $3.2 million verdict in racism lawsuit
Tesla and Owen Diaz both appealed $3.2 million verdict before deciding to settle.
March 18, 2024
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Tesla has settled with a Black former factory worker who won a $3.2 million judgment in a racial discrimination case, a court filing on Friday said.
 
Both sides were challenging the $3.2 million verdict in a federal appeals court but agreed to dismiss the case in the Friday filing. The joint stipulation for dismissal said that "the Parties have executed a final, binding settlement agreement that fully resolves all claims." …
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/03/tesla-settles-with-black-worker-after-3-2-million-verdict-in-racism-lawsuit/

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Tesla says most German plant employees vote against IG Metall union
March 20, 2024
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NEWS: The majority of Tesla's staff in Germany decided against the IG Metall Union and opted for non-unionised workers for the new works council, the company said on Wednesday in a statement.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-says-most-german-plant-employees-vote-against-ig-metall-union-2024-03-20/

The 39-seat work council deals with broad issues at the facility, including pay and working conditions.
https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-staff-to-elect-new-work-council-for-tesla-berlin-next-week/

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Driving on FSD is more energy-efficient than manual driving (no zooming acceleration; more constant speed; battery conditioning before charging, etc), so higher FSD use saves energy.

Tesla has started one month free FSD trials.
 
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Sawyer Merritt
BREAKING: Tesla has now started one month free FSD trials in the US! 
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This new language is directly on the order page. … pic.twitter.com/u0dgaIgGpT
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This is a MAJOR moment for FSD and Tesla's confidence in its capabilities. …
3/25/24, https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1772429493119893947

This is not a new idea. Musk mentioned in May of last year:
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Elon Musk
Once FSD is super smooth (not just safe), we will roll out a free month trial for all cars in North America.
 
Then extend to rest of world after we ensure it works well on local roads and regulators approve it in that country.
5/8/23, https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1655629768279089171

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Elon Musk
 
All US cars that are capable of FSD will be enabled for a one month trial this week
3/25/24, 10:04 PM  https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1772444422971494838
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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11403 on: March 26, 2024, 07:05:26 PM »
… post more or less irrelevant material about Tesla, which I doubt very many people are interested in
On the contrary, the level of interest — shown by the number of views of the thread — is an order of magnitude above any other recent topic in Policy and Solutions.  It is #2 on the Top Ten Topics (By Replies). 

Replies just means that there is a lot of discussion. A lot of it is about irrelevant stuff. And a lot of discussions go no where and they are not that relevant to the brand.

Anyway how long until Tesla makes a cheap affordable car? They were at the forefront of the EV push but they are now just lingering in the luxury brand segment.
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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11404 on: March 26, 2024, 07:41:36 PM »
… post more or less irrelevant material about Tesla, which I doubt very many people are interested in
On the contrary, the level of interest — shown by the number of views of the thread — is an order of magnitude above any other recent topic in Policy and Solutions.  It is #2 on the Top Ten Topics (By Replies). 

Replies just means that there is a lot of discussion. A lot of it is about irrelevant stuff. And a lot of discussions go no where and they are not that relevant to the brand.

Anyway how long until Tesla makes a cheap affordable car? They were at the forefront of the EV push but they are now just lingering in the luxury brand segment.

I wonder what would happen if fans/fanatics of different EV brands, of which there are now many, will create glory/failure threads in the Arctic Sea Ice Forum?
Could we tax them, shouldn't Tesla pay their share? Since it is so "successful"
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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11405 on: March 26, 2024, 07:51:39 PM »
Tesla is planning to showcase FSD beta on every new car customer before delivery, just to convince them on how “well” it works (under supervision of the human). Elon calls this a “hard requirement” or what is the same, if we catch you not doing it you’ll be fired.

I wonder why the “hard pushing” of FSD beta to the car customers. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that nobody is buying it. And I wonder what happens if a customer says “nah hard pass”. Will the car be promptly delivered?

Tesla is also readying the “Actually Smart Summon” into production. Tesla first presented the “Summon” which never worked, then the “Smart Summon” that never worked, and now the “Actually Smart Summon” which … nevermind.


Source: a Tesla fan account in Twitter. Send me a PM if you want the link, probably not.

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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11406 on: March 26, 2024, 08:03:06 PM »
Anyway how long until Tesla makes a cheap affordable car? They were at the forefront of the EV push but they are now just lingering in the luxury brand segment.

Now.

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Doug DeMuro just reviewed the refreshed Tesla Model 3, and he calls it 'The Greatest Appliance Ever Made'.
Not particularly the most exciting car to drive, but the best car ever made that can get you from Point A to Point B.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=youtu.be/aqYKMcnv33E&feature=youtu.be

Tesla
And you can get it from $38,990 or $329/month with $2,999 down
3/12/24, 7:53 PM  https://x.com/tesla/status/1767700458465054996

 Rohan Patel
This is ~$8K less than the price of an average new vehicle in the US.
3/24/24, 9:13 AM  https://x.com/rohanspatel/status/1771888040635691260

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And that is before the Gen 2, even less expensive car, whose production lines are under development now at Giga Texas.  To be revealed perhaps late this year or early next.
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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11407 on: March 26, 2024, 08:14:04 PM »
I wonder what would happen if fans/fanatics of different EV brands, of which there are now many, will create glory/failure threads in the Arctic Sea Ice Forum? 

Tesla is much more than just EVs.  The company has many products, and a mission, that anyone concerned with AGW should be interested in. 
Other EV companies?  Not so much.

Read all about it:
Master Plan Part 3
Sustainable Energy for All of Earth
https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/Tesla-Master-Plan-Part-3.pdf
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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11408 on: March 26, 2024, 08:19:41 PM »
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A company in Europe has accumulated 5,000 Teslas, and are buying more, so they will be prepared to offer a robotaxi business.
 
Robotaxi models:  $1.00 to $0.30 per mile, plus base rate and idle time.
 
In a few years, as you watch your Tesla depreciate but don’t want to share it on a network… a robotaxi buyer will knock on your door and offer you more than the book value for your car — because they can make much more than that in profit by adding it to their network.
 
EDIT: 1 min clip: ➡️ pic.twitter.com/F25VGFYD8i   

The Tesla Robotaxi GAME CHANGER (Business and Stock) - YouTube 
1h12m  March 24, 2024  (I watched at 1.5x speed.)
 


⬇️ Two slides below from the video. Value per year.

 
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Brief FSD/free discussions, for those interested:
 
❇️ 3/26/24, https://x.com/rohanspatel/status/1772484075116253533
 
❇️ 3/25/24, https://x.com/wintonark/status/1772331320213127638
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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11409 on: March 26, 2024, 08:20:43 PM »
Those are facts.  Do with them what you wish.

If this topic is so damn important, why on earth is it hidden away in a blog about Arctic Sea Ice?
Why don't you move to a more relevant site so the world can be informed directly?

If you hate Tesla so much, why do you come in here to bother people talking about Tesla, in a thread called "Tesla glory/failure"?  It's natural for people who are concerned about the environment to want to discuss solutions, which is why the entire Policy & Solutions subcategory was created.  Why is any of this here?  Almost nothing in this subcategory directly relates to Arctic Sea Ice.

Personally, whenever I come across content on the internet that I don't want to read, I don't look at it again.  The mere existence of people I disagree with does not offend me.  The fact that they have discussions in public places does not bother me.  I am free to not visit those places.  Now if the Tesla discussion were in other non-Tesla threads, you might have a case, but it's not.  This thread was specifically created to cater to the complaints of people like you, keeping the Tesla-specific conversation quarantined to one easily ignorable area, but that wasn't enough for some of them evidently.

Such intolerance is not healthy for anyone, whether on the giving or receiving end.  It's not mentally healthy for you to focus so much on things that bother you.  There is a vast world of opportunity out there, full of things that will interest and engage you in a positive way, that it appears you continuously ignore in favor of getting mad about things you can't control.  You do you, I guess.

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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11410 on: March 26, 2024, 09:19:29 PM »
Could we have some facts and not opinions?

This is not an advertising channel!!



Facts.  You can't sell what you don't make.  Market analysts "projections" are also not facts.  But they are presented as facts.

The simple fact is that Tesla has one time impacts from war and terrorism.  Allied to this is the fact that Tesla is building out new models and new production and holding back factory builds and changes until the next gen vehicle production is worked out in Texas.

These are facts, not opinions and are backed by statements from the CEO.

Opinions are that these are signs of Tesla failing.

One persons fact is another persons conspiracy theory it seems.

Facts are simple. 

Tesla sold more vehicles in 2023 than it did in 2022.
Tesla already has the production capacity to sell more vehicles in 2024 then it did in 2023 by the end of Q4 2023.
Q1/24 has seen production halts which will impact production in Q1/24
This is being used to present a narrative of falling Tesla sales.

Those are facts.  Do with them what you wish.

Yes, those are the facts, but it is how you manipulate them than is worrisome.

What impact has war and terrorism had on Tesla sales, and why has it not impacted other automakers?

Yes, Tesla sold more vehicles in 2023 than in 2022.  However, peak sales occurred in the second quarter and have declined since.  Also a fact.  Unless Tesla experiences some robust sales in the next few days (unlikely with the approaching holiday), 2024 will show a decline in Q1 sales compared to 2023, halting a very long string of quarterly increases.  Not a fact yet.

Yes, it has production capacity that exceeds sales, but so do all the other automakers.  Capacity does not equate to sales.

Statements from the CEO are opinions, not facts.  He can say (and usually does) whatever he wants.

Yes, no one know what the future holds.  That is why the so-called experts make projections based on current facts.  This is done industry-wide and corporate-wide.  It is not unique to Tesla.

BYT, the popularity of this thread is highly skewed by the large number of response which you have posted.  I did a quick summary, and 37% of the posts in the month of March were yours.  How can we be sure that you are not a corporate troll?

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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11411 on: March 27, 2024, 03:20:25 PM »
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< Can you clarify whether Transport Canada is the current factor preventing Full Self-Driving (Beta) V12.3+ in Canada, @rohanspatel ?
There has been some confusion as your post mentioned Cybertruck, but the original comment was about V12.
Thank you dearly.
 
Rohan Patel @rohanspatel
No issue on FSD that i know of with Transport Canada. We have been doing a lot of educational efforts with Transport Canada and many other regulatory bodies on our supervised FSD system. In general, regulators seem quite impressed.
3/26/24, https://x.com/rohanspatel/status/1772804132690350242
 
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Teslascope
Full Self-Driving (Beta) V12.3.1 is now going out to vehicles in Canada for the first time. 🎉
Additional testing prevented V12.3 from going out to vehicles in Canada, which has now been finalized.
3/27/24, https://x.com/teslascope/status/1772878476346884483

FSD, mandatory demos, V12.3.1 & 2,  2024.x, Canada, ASS. “No Banish just yet.”
Teslascope has the scoop:
3/26/24, https://x.com/teslascope/status/1772483364244869513

 
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“Sounds like the good old days!”
Knowledgeable Tesla Owner groups get the heads up that they may be invited to help with new customer deliveries.  The groups first volunteered to do this for the Model 3, Tesla’s first mass rollout.
“Tesla has reached out to say they may need our help at the end of this sales quarter to onboard new owners - specifically helping new owners understand FSD.”
From: 3/26/24, https://x.com/goingballistic5/status/1772714423548874913
 
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I'm becoming aware now of the fact that I regularly make mistakes at a rate comparable to FSD Beta. I was driving my wife's non-Tesla today for example and started braking a bit too late such that it was slightly uncomfortable to slow down for a turn. The other day I misjudged the gap between cars and pulled out a bit too early so that I was sticking out in the lane while waiting for cross-traffic to clear before turning left.
 
Neither one of these was a big deal, but I'm finding it extremely odd to realize that my driving capability (excluding parking and pulling out) is at now probably in the same order of magnitude of capability as Tesla's FSD V 12.3.
3/24/24, https://x.com/matchasmmatt/status/1771974745723973945
 
Dirty Tesla
I've noticed I phantom brake sometimes. Meaning I hit the brakes when it's not necessary. One time I was driving around a bend and hit the brakes for a person that suddenly appeared around the bend on the side of the road.
 
Except it was a mailbox, not a person.
3/24/24, 10:27 PM  https://x.com/dirtytesla/status/1772087802655588429

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Andrew Bartels
 
Drove home from dinner with a friend of mine last evening. When we got home he said oh we forgot to try the software where your Tesla drives itself. My response. V12 just drove you home and it was so good you didn’t notice.
3/24/24, https://x.com/adb1146/status/1771908023801311579

 
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Sam Korus @skorusARK
 
A humanoid robot is less than a tenth the weight of a car, can the manufacturing ramp be 10x that of a vehicle?
Does that even matter? Seems like the constraint is going to be software capability not manufacturing capability.
3/26/24, 4:18 PM  https://x.com/skorusark/status/1772719731495084079
 
Elon Musk
Complexity per unit mass is much higher with humanoid robots, but still I think it ends up costing less than half of a car
 
< So 25k to 30k cost for a humanoid robot? 🤖
Elon Musk
Less over time
3/26/24, https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1772725390139695200
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Re: Tesla glory/failure
« Reply #11412 on: Today at 02:34:10 AM »
The new mandatory/desperate FSD beta sell strategy imposed onto Tesla US car buyers before delivery of their new cars.

This cartoon, sadly, is real. Musk emailed this new desperate sell strategy two days ago at 2AM Pac time to Tesla US employees setting it as a “hard requirement”, which for the Tesla employee means “do it by all means necessary or leave the company”.
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