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The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« on: April 17, 2021, 01:19:57 AM »
This probably falls under the heading of "policy", but "solutions" is doubtful.

In case you were not previously aware of the fact the once United Kingdom is the proud President of the G7 this year. In his infinite wisdom our glorious Prime Minster, former journalist Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, has decided to host a summit meeting in June at Carbis Bay on the Atlantic Coast of Cornwall in South West England. You can read all about it here:

https://www.g7uk.org

It's not really within easy cycling distance of my current humble abode for a man of my advanced years, but Lisa the LEAF should be able to manage the trip in next to no time. Hence I'm seriously contemplating putting a banner or two in her capacious boot and trundling down the coast on June 11th or thereabouts and then wandering along the South West Coast Path past the venue, which is marked as a public right of way on my Ordnance Survey map:

https://www.iwalkcornwall.co.uk/walk/st_ives_to_carbis_bay

I had in mind something along the following lines, but I am open to other suggestions:
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2021, 07:41:41 AM »
Jim, sounds like a splendid idea. After browsing the agenda, I could suggest the following banner texts:

- The worst global pandemic is the 'Green Growth' idiocy

- 'Net Zero' action is not enough

- You can't ' Build Back Better', when this venue is flooded.

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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2021, 08:13:46 AM »
On the first banner, I would replace "green growth" with "never ending growth".

Other banners could be :

- Global issues require global solutions

- Climate change is more than a technical problem

- Being vegan isn't enough

- How dare you

- Stop the carbon free lunch now

- Solidarity is more than charity


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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2021, 09:35:56 AM »
"Consume less stuff"

That would be my nutshell message to all the people of the 1st world

or

"Consume less stuff, while you still can"

Adds urgency

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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2021, 09:36:38 AM »
You can't ' Build Back Better', when this venue is flooded.

Thanks for those excellent suggestions.

That particular one won't really work at this particular venue though, because the cliffs in North Cornwall are some of the highest in the UK.

However not too far away:



This is a recent snap of the Cornwall coast path looking towards "High Cliff", which is also crumbling into the sea in less spectacular fashion:
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2021, 09:46:04 AM »
”Climate doesn’t negotiate”

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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2021, 09:54:18 AM »
Thanks also Etienne and Iain for your suggestions.

Meanwhile the forces of darkness are massing in Mordor. Real Climate is already under attack from an army of trolls:

https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2021/04/unforced-variations-apr-2021/#comment-789745

Yesterday Roger Harrabin, the BBC's "energy & environment analyst", was "promoting" the "Global Warming Policy Foundation's" anti wind power message on Twitter. I figured I'd better get some retaliation in early:

https://twitter.com/jim_hunt/status/1383059426475708416

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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2021, 09:56:42 AM »
Sea level rise is slow, mm per year and the melting of Greenland and Antartica  land ice is a loooong way off, but if CC becomes runaway, there is no easy way to stop it.

Most centres of population are on the coast or in river valleys, so vulnerable.

The cliffs won't save Carbis Bay.

http://flood.firetree.net/
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2021, 10:04:57 AM »
Roger H should have mentioned the unit cost is 6p/kWh, the cheapest electricity around.

Easy to headline a large total cost for a large amount of electricity

Shock / Horror Headline: "Total cost of penny sweeties (candy) exceeds £1m"

Also these are not subsidies, the turbines are paid for producing, just like any other generator.
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2021, 10:21:34 AM »
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2021, 10:46:49 AM »
The cliffs won't save Carbis Bay.

The delegates for the G7 summit will apparently be staying at the Tregenna Castle Resort, which is inland a bit:

http://flood.firetree.net/?ll=50.2052,-5.4668&zoom=15

I need to do some more due diligence to discover where all the other venues are located.
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2021, 11:36:07 AM »
This probably falls under the heading of "policy", but "solutions" is doubtful.

In case you were not previously aware of the fact the once United Kingdom is the proud President of the G7 this year. In his infinite wisdom our glorious Prime Minster, former journalist Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, has decided to host a summit meeting in June at Carbis Bay on the Atlantic Coast of Cornwall in South West England. You can read all about it here:

https://www.g7uk.org

It's not really within easy cycling distance of my current humble abode for a man of my advanced years, but Lisa the LEAF should be able to manage the trip in next to no time. Hence I'm seriously contemplating putting a banner or two in her capacious boot and trundling down the coast on June 11th or thereabouts and then wandering along the South West Coast Path past the venue, which is marked as a public right of way on my Ordnance Survey map:
C'mon Jim,

Those that presume to govern us are sure to make sure that their profoundly important discussions are not disturbed by the Great Unwashed (that's you and me).

I bet you that the coastal path is suddenly not a Public Right of Way by the beginning of June (except for cops & their sniffer dogs and drones).

Nevertheless, maybe time for a bit of civil disobedience? I get my 2nd jab at the end of April - so as long as I avoid Brazilian and South African variants perhaps I will be clean?
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2021, 11:52:38 AM »
I bet you that the coastal path is suddenly not a Public Right of Way by the beginning of June (except for cops & their sniffer dogs and drones).

Have handycam. Will travel!

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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2021, 11:54:37 AM »
  Lord Lawson and his cronies bought Boris when they bankrolled his election as CON-servative leader . b.c.
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2021, 04:07:50 PM »
If you do get along the path unmolested, you may want to sing along:

(I imagine you know "Imagine" by JL):

Imagine there's no carbon
It's easy if you try
No suspended particles
Above us a clear sky
Imagine all the people
Breathing fresh clean air…Aha-ah..

Imagine there's no oil fields
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
Cheap clean energy, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...


Imagine reduced consumption
I wonder if you can
No place for greed or hoarding
Space for animal and man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world... You.Hoo..
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2021, 04:59:36 PM »
Cool  version of the lyrics.
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2021, 06:14:38 PM »
Carnage Bay.

An ex "very much loved walk along the coastal path":

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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2021, 09:52:26 AM »
Sauron is in his lair, currently conjuring up his army of orcs. According to Richard Lindzen and William Happer:

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Climate ‘Emergency’? Not So Fast

Americans should not be stampeded into a disastrous climate crusade.

We are both scientists who can attest that the research literature does not support the claim of a climate emergency. Nor will there be one. None of the lurid predictions — dangerously accelerating sea-level rise, increasingly extreme weather, more deadly forest fires, unprecedented warming, etc. — are any more accurate than the fire-and-brimstone sermons used to stoke fanaticism in medieval crusaders.

Archived at:

https://archive.is/wip/4LRT1
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2021, 02:09:13 PM »
Judith Curry is promoting Steve Koonin's latest article in the Wall Street Journal on Twitter, but not yet on her blog:

How a Physicist Became a Climate Truth Teller

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Barack Obama is one of many who have declared an “epistemological crisis,” in which our society is losing its handle on something called truth.

Thus an interesting experiment will be his and other Democrats’ response to a book by Steven Koonin, who was chief scientist of the Obama Energy Department. Mr. Koonin argues not against current climate science but that what the media and politicians and activists say about climate science has drifted so far out of touch with the actual science as to be absurdly, demonstrably false.

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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2021, 02:15:11 PM »
More from Senara, especially for Iain.

The XR Red Rebel Brigade in action at St. Ives.

The sea is rising, and so are we?



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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2021, 04:35:48 PM »
Needless to say WTFUWT is regurgitating the GWPF's anti wind power sentiments. Archived at:

https://archive.is/d0kiT

For some strange reason my pertinent comment is currently "in moderation":
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2021, 11:13:30 PM »
Shock News!!!

WTAFUWT has just published a copy of the GWPF's copy of Judith Curry's favourite Steve Koonin article du jour.

Archived here: https://archive.is/9BeHj

and here: https://archive.is/Q4a48

Plus There's Physics' debunking thereof:

https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2021/04/18/did-a-physicist-become-a-climate-truth-teller/
 
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2021, 11:17:16 AM »
From the WordPress article.

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There’s, of course, nothing wrong with challenging our current understanding, but continually repeating well-debunked talking points is not the ideal way to do so.

At which point the informed tune out.  The uninformed, however, need to read and understand why these opinions do not overturn the vast body of climate science.
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2021, 11:54:56 AM »
Re: Lawson, the GWPF, WUWT et al.

Well known climate sceptics, I don't think they are getting much traction with the decision makers - governments, now confident enough their electorate understands the GW risk to ban gas boilers and TD cars.

They have shifted their position from "there is no GW" because there obviously is, to "it may not be as bad as some say"

When a prediction with a range of outcomes, say +/- 1 SD is given, of course it's possible the outcome can be less bad than the worst.

They are hoping to persuade that the predictions are "wrong" in some way, or that there is doubt about exactly what the outcome will be.

Also why it's important to be measured, state confidence limits, not to exaggerate.

Re XR - 10/10 for raising awareness, but from I'd be happier if their members made a commitment to curb thier most damaging behaviors - flying, red meat, palm oil...etc. Ref frequent flier Emma Thompson speaking in support of XR


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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2021, 12:05:36 PM »
LoL in an adjacent article, WUWT argues the coldest Feb in the US means GW must be "minor".

They mention the polar vortex without explaining that the Polar air stayed stable in place because of the temp difference (Ref Hadley cells). The reduced TD makes it unstable and liable to spill out.

Edit, as requested by Jim, pls use link to the the archive:

https://archive.is/0Pau6

2nd edit WUWT link removed.




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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2021, 12:43:38 PM »
WUWT argues the coldest Feb in the US means GW must be "minor".

Can I humbly suggest that we here at the ASIF don't deliver any more free clicks to WUWT?

Would you mind replacing your long URL with this short one?

https://archive.is/0Pau6
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2021, 01:04:57 PM »
Strikethrough doesn't stop the link Ian. Best to delete it.
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2021, 01:06:54 PM »
At which point the informed tune out.

The $64 trillion question!

How to inform the mythical (wo)man in the street?
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2021, 02:15:57 PM »
FWIW, here is a link to the WSJ article about Steve Koonin.

https://archive.is/lbMx4

"Mr. Koonin argues not against current climate science but that what the media and politicians and activists say about climate science has drifted so far out of touch with the actual science as to be absurdly, demonstrably false."

Koonin was the chief scientist of the Obama energy department, and was arguing against the 2018 U.S. National Climate Assessment, using during the Trump administration.
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2021, 03:13:21 PM »
Well I was thinking that those who know about debunking the "rogue scientist" will tune out because they know the science and are not interested in revisiting the whole story all over again.

Now how you get the rest, who didn't even read as far as debunking, to actually pay attention and step up and own what is happening??  I think $64 trillion is a bit conservative.

No matter how much I try, even my own family is seduced by the whole "it's a scam" line.  In the end it just becomes wearying trying to correct the bias set up by a totally irresponsible press.
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2021, 04:55:11 PM »
Hi Walrus,

FWIW, here is a link to the WSJ article about Steve Koonin.

See above re links to the dark side. Please can you substitute this link to the archive:

https://archive.is/lbMx4
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2021, 05:00:06 PM »
Changed.

Also aren´t we drifting of topic a bit?

PS: NeilT the press is not irresponsible but it has irresponsible owners.
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« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2021, 05:00:41 PM »
2nd edit WUWT link removed.

Thanks Iain.

And kassy.
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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2021, 05:27:57 PM »
Changed.

Also aren´t we drifting of topic a bit?

PS: NeilT the press is not irresponsible but it has irresponsible owners.

Probably drifting a bit.  But if the deniers are using this event as a platform for their disinformation it makes it more on topic.

For the press, as someone who was a community moderator on a large national UK newspaper and went to the offices and met the staff and other moderators, my opinion is that my statement is the more correct one but, as we all know, neither viewpoint will ever be 100% correct.
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2021, 06:56:28 PM »
Also aren´t we drifting of topic a bit?

Not really, from my perspective at least.

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But if the deniers are using this event as a platform for their disinformation it makes it more on topic.

Precisely Neil. Amongst other things I'm endeavouring to explain (to the mythical person in the street?) the ways in which "A lie will fly around the whole world while the truth is getting its boots on."

And don't forget the Covid19 constrained COP 26 in Glasgow in November. Does anybody else in here recall Cop 15 in Copenhagen?

65 "demonstrably false" clones, and counting......
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2021, 10:13:33 PM »
FWIW, here is a link to the WSJ article about Steve Koonin.

Another extract from the Wall Street Journal article by one Holman W. Jenkins, Jr, which imparts the "Shock News!!!" that Steven E. Koonin's agenda includes promoting his new book:

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Mr. Koonin still has a lot of Brooklyn in him: a robust laugh, a gift for expression and for cutting to the heart of any matter. His thoughts seem to be governed by an all-embracing realism. Hence the book coming out next month, “Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters.”

Any reader would benefit from its deft, lucid tour of climate science, the best I’ve seen. His rigorous parsing of the evidence will have you questioning the political class’s compulsion to manufacture certainty where certainty doesn’t exist. You will come to doubt the usefulness of century long forecasts claiming to know how 1% shifts in variables will affect a global climate that we don’t understand with anything resembling 1% precision.

Steve's magnum opus is already available for pre-order from Amazon UK, archived at:

https://archive.is/iVNyt

It will be shipping from their capacious warehouses a month before the Kernow G7 Summit starts. Allegedly:

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"Surging sea levels are inundating the coasts."

"Hurricanes and tornadoes are becoming fiercer and more frequent."

"Climate change will be an economic disaster."

You've heard all this presented as fact. But according to science, all of these statements are profoundly misleading.
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2021, 10:24:01 PM »
Drifting off topic is not really a matter of personal perspective. Does the post actually relate to the G7 summit or is it bout something else?

Basically you are highlighting some idiot which normally would not be mentioned here. seems more like stuff for your twitter account.
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2021, 11:04:52 PM »
Basically you are highlighting some idiot which normally would not be mentioned here. seems more like stuff for your twitter account.

I am deliberately highlighting several alleged "idiots", many of whom are nevertheless "experts" at marketing their message. All in good time for the G7 Summit.

My Google search is now up to 82 "demonstrably false" clones, and counting......

It reveals that Congressman Sean Casten is blasting the message out of his Facebook page, and Senator John Cornyn is "tweeting" about it.
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2021, 11:29:20 PM »
Drifting off topic is not really a matter of personal perspective. Does the post actually relate to the G7 summit or is it bout something else?

Basically you are highlighting some idiot which normally would not be mentioned here. seems more like stuff for your twitter account.
We have the G7 summit, Biden's virtual 40 country summit, John Kerry on his world tour, and finally COP26 - the latter which feels rather like a "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe" moment for little old Planet Earth.

One can already feel the stirrings of the very large industry devoted to stalling progress on reducing CO2 emissions and tackling the myriad other methods currently degrading life on earth. It is hardly a coincidence that it is the Wall Street Journal that enthuses over a book by the aforementioned Some Idiot. We must expect more, much more, this year.

I regard Jim's post as a timely warning that the G7 event may well be the curtain-raiser to a torrid year in which the cacophony from these well-funded assorted plonkers and arseholes will rise to a crescendo.
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2021, 10:38:45 AM »
For the last 4 years the actions of Trump have left the powers in industry feeling much more comfortable.

Now they have Biden and a real and present danger to their business.

This is the first real opportunity for them to control policy and they are going to take it. At the same time the need to debunk has been low for the last 4 years keeping this kind of junk out of the headlines.

Any politician will tell you that 4 years is forever in the public eye and this mole will have to be whacked all over again.
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2021, 11:03:18 AM »
I regard Jim's post as a timely warning that the G7 event may well be the curtain-raiser to a torrid year.

Strangely enough, so do I!

As per the OP, I did wonder which section of the ASIF would be the best place to put this thread, since it doesn't fit neatly anywhere that I could see. "Walking the walk" perhaps?!

Your thoughts kassy?
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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2021, 01:53:16 PM »
This subforum is fine. WTW is for Solutions on the individual level, horticulture. Let´s keep it nice there and discuss all the summits and messaging related to them here.
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« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2021, 06:58:09 PM »
Jim,

Sorry, but I have been away for a week walking ~ 100 km along the Danish west coast. I got the impression that this venue: https://www.g7uk.org/news-media/ was part of the G7 party. Please clarify, who are the lucky ones to stay at this seaside resort, and who have to flea to the hillls?

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« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2021, 07:02:46 PM »
Ups!

Apparently, the organizers changed the last picture, as I was typing. Now, it seems to be just a 'Blue Ocean' event.

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« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2021, 07:42:31 PM »
Apparently, the organizers changed the last picture, as I was typing. Now, it seems to be just a 'Blue Ocean' event.

I'm thoroughly confused now, but the current "last picture" at your link is a snap of the Atlantic Coast of Cornwall. I have a vast number of such images in my digital archive.

As best as I can tell at present the great and good from around the planet will be flying in to Newquay Airport then heading to the seaside. The local residents will then have to do without their railway link and beloved coast path amongst other things. As far as I am aware they have not (yet?) been forced to head for Bronn Wennili and thereabouts, where the accommodation is a bit dilapidated:
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« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2021, 07:52:38 PM »
and who have to flea to the hillls?

Sorry P-maker but can't resist - see attached

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« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2021, 08:03:24 PM »
Press release from that link from P-maker https://www.g7uk.org/news-media/

1 APRIL
2021
Falmouth furniture maker & designer Scott Woyka has been chosen to build symbolic, sustainably sourced tables which will be used by world leaders at the G7 Summit in June.

That means everything is going to be really Green(washed?)
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« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2021, 10:33:21 PM »
Gero,

Point taken. I was on a train using my phone, and so I had to make a quick guess.

Jim,

The apparent misunderstanding stems all the way back from your original link in your opening remark: https://www.g7uk.org , which showed a very neat photo of the Carbis Hotel on the seashore at the bottom right. I thought that place would be the venue, hence my original remark about it being flooded, or rather 'swallowed by the sea', as I would have otherwise phrased it.

You yourself have posted a lengthy video about the recent coastal protection measures and greenwashing going on near that hotel. I will leave it to you to find the best spot to get maximum media attention.

It does puzzle me however, that the most recent press material: https://www.g7uk.org/news-media/ now has replaced the original picture of the hotel by a 'blue ocean' picture of the innocent Cornish coast. Maybe they realized that the hotel was not such a good poster image after all.






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Re: The 2021 G7 Summit in Cornwall
« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2021, 10:53:06 PM »
Aha! The image displayed in that position changes as you move from one page to another.

Compare & contrast:
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