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Re: Electric grid, Generation and Infrastructure
« Reply #450 on: July 30, 2023, 11:44:54 PM »
(more superconductor drama)

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One Retraction

Lee comes out firing against Kwon in a Korean newspaper interview.

Kwon is no longer affiliated with Qcenter as of 4 months ago. And was not authorized to upload the 3 author paper. It will be retracted.

The 6 author paper is in peer review and will have corrections and updates.

Kwon was definitely at the MMC presentation today… but it’s unclear if Lee was.

Perhaps Kwon is intent on taking credit as much as possible and establishing rights.

The New Scientist HT Kim interview hence stands: they’re in peer review and trying to do the characterization right now.

The all important is it really a room temperature superconductor question remains unanswered.
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Maybe They Don’t Even Know What They Have

Jul 28 Friday - Lee and Kwon show up as unscheduled additions to the International Symposium on Metallic Multilayers

Kwon introduces, but Lee presents. Audience is frustrated by presentation in Korean which is then translated.

https://twitter.com/8teAPi/status/1684932569148866560


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Re: Electric grid, Generation and Infrastructure
« Reply #451 on: August 01, 2023, 12:57:45 PM »
https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008
The First Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor

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For the first time in the world, we succeeded in synthesizing the room-temperature superconductor (Tc≥400 K, 127∘C) working at ambient pressure with a modified lead-apatite (LK-99) structure. The superconductivity of LK-99 is proved with the Critical temperature (Tc), Zero-resistivity, Critical current (Ic), Critical magnetic field (Hc), and the Meissner effect. The superconductivity of LK-99 originates from minute structural distortion by a slight volume shrinkage (0.48 %), not by external factors such as temperature and pressure. The shrinkage is caused by Cu2+ substitution of Pb2+(2) ions in the insulating network of Pb(2)-phosphate and it generates the stress. It concurrently transfers to Pb(1) of the cylindrical column resulting in distortion of the cylindrical column interface, which creates superconducting quantum wells (SQWs) in the interface. The heat capacity results indicated that the new model is suitable for explaining the superconductivity of LK-99. The unique structure of LK-99 that allows the minute distorted structure to be maintained in the interfaces is the most important factor that LK-99 maintains and exhibits superconductivity at room temperatures and ambient pressure.

Will this replicate?

First translated video of a chinese replication of LK-99:
https://targum.video/v/2023/8/1/e2ad3b8e86961ccfdcf411d2d4d18d3f/


https://manifold.markets/QuantumObserver/will-the-lk99-room-temp-ambient-pre

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If it is real and if we get large bulk chunks of it superconductive energy storage will probably be first. It takes little effort to wrap some copper around a barrel of this stuff. Much less work than the wires that will be needed for better MRI's for example. Once that happens solar power which is already cheaper than fossil energy becomes storable so people will start switching over. The 4 trillion dollar fossil fuel industry goes belly up and these countries will see a large part of their GDP evaporate:

A couple of big ifs there but could this be important?

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Re: Electric grid, Generation and Infrastructure
« Reply #452 on: August 01, 2023, 02:12:28 PM »
It could be very important Crandles.

IF..........
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Re: Electric grid, Generation and Infrastructure
« Reply #453 on: August 01, 2023, 02:19:20 PM »
This has been discussed in another thread so i will be moving it into there. Also see some posts above by Morganism about some complications.

What would be the gains if this worked? What things would be improved etc. Just some short pointers?

See reply 445and on of last page.
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« Reply #454 on: August 01, 2023, 04:09:40 PM »
Upgrading grids:

Heating our homes accounts for as much as 16% of the UK's planet-warming carbon dioxide emissions.

...

There's a £5,000 grant to help householders with the costs in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Scotland is more generous, it offers £7,500.

But critics say that is not enough and that people need more help if the government is going to get anywhere near its target of 600,000 new heat pump installations every year by 2028.

At the moment it is way below that.

There were just 60,000 heat pumps installed in the UK last year, making it one of the slowest adopters of this new technology in Europe.

At current rates of installation, it will take more than 400 years before every British home has a heat pump.

So far fewer than 12,000 grants have been cashed - perhaps because it only covers the cost of the pump itself, and not the installation.

And even if households are able to pay, there is another barrier to hitting the government's heat pump targets.

The UK only has 4,000 trained heat-pump installers - it is estimated we will need 33,000 by 2028.

...

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66359093
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« Reply #455 on: August 02, 2023, 03:25:59 PM »
Generac is a leader in emergency standby generators for homes, a popular product now that climate change brings stronger storms and more frequent grid outages.
 
But how much of their “softening” demand is due to the economy, as opposed to customers turning to solar and battery systems from other providers, instead?

Generac Stock Powers Down After Earnings. Consumer Demand Is Softening.
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Generac Holdings stock tumbled ahead of the open Wednesday after the back-up power provider warned of a sharper sales decline in the second half of the year.

The company beat revenue expectations, despite sales falling 23% from the year-ago period, but fell short of earnings estimates and disappointed investors with its guidance.

Generac (ticker: GNRC) reported adjusted earnings of $1.08 a share on revenue of $1 billion in the second quarter. Analysts were expecting earnings of $1.16 a share on revenue of $980 million. However, it now expects net sales to decline between 10% and 12% for the full year, compared with its previous guidance for a decline of 6% to 10%, citing the “softer-than-expected consumer environment.”

Residential sales were lower than the company’s expectations in the second quarter, CEO Aaron Jagdfeld said, citing softer consumer demand for home improvement.

“While our expectations for the consumer environment are now softer than previously projected, we believe the long-term mega-trends that are driving awareness for backup power solutions are compelling as ever,” he added.

The stock, which has surged 52% so far in 2023 as of Tuesday’s close, were down 13.2% at $133.07 in premarket trading.
https://www.barrons.com/articles/generac-stock-earnings-b47baa64 [paywalled]
Or
https://apple.news/AhXL5_w35T6mDUGjsWthleg
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« Reply #456 on: August 02, 2023, 09:58:23 PM »
so, LBerkley now saying theoretical and comp models show that the material should work, hard to make tho...)

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National Lab (LBNL) results support LK-99 as a room-temperature ambient-pressure superconductor.

Simulations published 1 hour ago on arxiv support LK-99 as the holy grail of modern material science and applied physics.
 (https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.16892)

Here's the plain-english explanation:
- The simulations modeled what the original Korean authors proposed was happening to their material - where copper atoms were percolating into a crystal structure and replacing lead atoms, causing the crystal to strain slightly and contract by 0.5%. This unique structure was proposed to allow this amazing property.

- @sineatrix
 from Lawrence Berkeley National Lab simulated this using heavy-duty compute power from the Department of Energy, and looked to see what would happen to the 'electronic structure' of this material, meaning, what are the available conduction pathways in the material.

- It turns out that there are conduction pathways for electrons that are in just the right conditions and places that would enable them to 'superconduct'. More specifically, they were close to the 'Fermi Surface' which is like the sea-level of electrical energy, as in '0 ft above sea-level.' It's believed currently that the more conduction pathways close to the Fermi surface, the higher the temperature you can superconduct at (An analogy might be how its easier for planes to fly close to the surface of the ocean due to the 'ground effect' that gives them more lift.)

Image

This plot in particular shows the 'bands', or electron pathways, crossing above and below the Fermi surface.

- Lastly, these interesting conduction pathways only form when the copper atom percolates into the less likely location in the crystal lattice, or the 'higher energy' binding site. This means the material would be difficult to synthesize since only a small fraction of crystal gets its copper in just the right location.

This is insanely bullish for humanity.

https://twitter.com/andercot/status/1686215574177841152

and:
I've worked with superconductors for the better part of a decade now in different contexts, from STM condensed matter labs, to particle accelerators, and now fusion.

Time for a deep dive on what exactly this miracle-technology unlocks for us a specie

https://canada.unofficialbird.com/Andercot/status/1685088634184380416#m


Compilation of Known Replication Attempt Claims

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/claims-of-room-temperature-and-ambient-pressure-superconductor.1106083/page-16
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« Reply #457 on: August 05, 2023, 08:01:38 PM »
A material called LK-99, a modified-lead apatite crystal structure with the composition Pb10−xCux(PO4)6O (0.9<x<1.1) has been reported to be an above-room-temperature superconductor at ambient pressure. It is hard to expect that it will be straightforward for other groups to reproduce the original results. We provide here some remarks which may be helpful for a success.
(snip)
 Such behaviour of Pb films, though obtained at different deposition
conditions, is well-documented in scientific literature and can be explained by electron hopping
from one superconducting nano-island to another one via macroscopic quantum tunneling.

This phenomenon is typical for superconductor-dielectric quantum phase transitions. It is very
likely that the material which was supposed to be Pb 10-x Cu x (PO4 ) 6 O (0.9<x<1.1) is in reality a
heterophase compound which contains polycrystals separated by an amorphous surrounding
phase or phases. These phases do not contribute significant X-ray peaks in the registered XRD,
but essentially affect the resistive behavior, and the magnetic properties as well. Indeed, any
molar ratio of initial ingredients Cu3P and lanarkite Pb 2(SO4 )O cannot end up in a material
having Cu/P ratio 1/6 in a single-phase substance. More extensive EDX/EBSD/EDX results are
required for understanding the phase content for the described route of preparation.

4. Conclusion
Most likely, the material LK99 as reported is a heterophase structure, with co-existent
non-superconducting constituents. This may yield superconducting droplets surrounded by non-
superconducting material and cause the phenomenon described above for the case of Pb films.
Depending on the very specific details of synthesis, the degree of this effect may be stronger or
weaker yielding misleading results when approaching the required composition"

https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.01723



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Re: Electric grid, Generation and Infrastructure
« Reply #458 on: August 06, 2023, 07:30:22 AM »
Texas Power Prices to Surge 800% on Sunday Amid Searing Heat
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-05/texas-power-prices-to-surge-800-on-sunday-amid-searing-heat

(Bloomberg) -- Texas power prices for Sunday surged more than 800% as searing heat pushes demand toward record levels and strains supplies on the state grid.

On Tuesday, Texas set a new all-time demand record of 83,593 MW, the latest of at least six all-time demand records set so far this summer. The agency's six-day supply and demand dashboard forecasts demand will eclipse that mark multiple times next week as of Friday afternoon

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards/supplyanddemand

Electricity prices for the grid rose to more than $2,500 a megawatt-hour for Sunday evening, up from Saturday’s high of about $275, according to data from the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, the grid operator. The surplus of available power capacity on the grid versus power consumption will narrow to 1.6 gigawatts in the hour ending at 6 p.m. Sunday, a level that can trigger emergency responses, though Ercot has additional reserves it can tap to meet demand.

Ercot has issued a weather watch for Sunday and Monday “due to forecast higher temperatures, higher demand, and potential lower reserves,” the grid operator said in an emailed statement Saturday afternoon. “Ercot will continue to monitor conditions closely.”

Most of the state is under a heat advisory with large swaths of it under an excessive heat warning, according to the National Weather Service. Dallas may see temperatures rise to 107°F (42°C) on Sunday afternoon with a heat index of 112°F for the second consecutive day.

https://www.weather.gov/hgx/

https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&product=AFD&issuedby=HGX
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« Reply #459 on: August 06, 2023, 01:15:09 PM »
Texas Power Prices to Surge 800% on Sunday Amid Searing Heat

(Bloomberg) -- Texas power prices for Sunday surged more than 800% as searing heat pushes demand toward record levels and strains supplies on the state grid.

Electricity prices for the grid rose to more than $2,500 a megawatt-hour for Sunday evening, up from Saturday’s high of about $275, according to data from the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, the grid operator.

Most of the state is under a heat advisory with large swaths of it under an excessive heat warning, according to the National Weather Service. Dallas may see temperatures rise to 107°F (42°C) on Sunday afternoon with a heat index of 112°F for the second consecutive day.
Thereby ensuring that many of those who need the AC most and can afford it least may have to do without.

& the consequences will be:
- Life expectancy of some will be reduced, and a few will die,
- Some of those who can afford it will buy or upgrade their Solar PV systems,
- As more people switch to solar for most of their energy needs, the Electricity Utility lose customers and revenue while the Texas legislators force it to become more reliant on gas plants and block enhancing the grid to use surplus wind & solar power currently curtailed.

Do you have to have extremely low SATS scores to qualify as a Texas politician?
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« Reply #460 on: August 06, 2023, 01:54:56 PM »
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... Do you have to have extremely low SATS scores to qualify as a Texas politician?

That, plus Neanderthal parentage....

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« Reply #461 on: August 06, 2023, 02:51:04 PM »
Do you have to have extremely low SATS scores to qualify as a Texas politician?

No, but it helps...
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« Reply #462 on: August 06, 2023, 03:44:04 PM »
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... Do you have to have extremely low SATS scores to qualify as a Texas politician?

That, plus Neanderthal parentage....

Book burning at 8:00 PM! Bring the kids!


Neanderthal parentage is pretty common. Everyone descended from those sapiens that left Africa c. 70kya has a substantial fraction of neanderthal ancestors.


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« Reply #463 on: August 06, 2023, 11:29:13 PM »
In Texas you can choose your power provider. After a recent spike in prices most or maybe all of the providers that exposed customers directly to wholesale prices went bankrupt. Customers still pay for the wholesale price spikes it is just spread over the rate charged. Once again we see that too little regulation creates easily avoided problems.

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« Reply #464 on: August 07, 2023, 02:41:03 PM »
Thanks, was wondering about that!
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« Reply #465 on: August 07, 2023, 08:23:00 PM »
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... Do you have to have extremely low SATS scores to qualify as a Texas politician?

That, plus Neanderthal parentage....

Book burning at 8:00 PM! Bring the kids!


Neanderthal parentage is pretty common. Everyone descended from those sapiens that left Africa c. 70kya has a substantial fraction of neanderthal ancestors.

Only if you consider 2% substantial.

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« Reply #466 on: August 07, 2023, 09:44:42 PM »
(no positive results for LK99 yet, n lots of tries)

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LK-99: The Case for Skepticism

By now there's been a number of replications, videos, pre-prints on arxiv, and at-home or at-work attempts to reproduce the original findings of Lee and Kim.

Here's why I'm increasingly skeptical on LK-99 and my reasoning:

#1 - The Videos
There's been a number of videos produced and circulating the internet showing partial levitation or full levitation, the kind of thing you see in cryogenic superconductors that 'quantum lock' or 'flux pin' and float in mid-air.

The issue with all these videos is that the visual behavior is completely indistinguishable from a diamagnetic.

I was initially under the impression that you could not produce stable levitation from two simple dipoles, according to a time-honored theorem from physics by Earnshaw, and so levitation above a single magnet was 'proof positive'.

However, as it turns out, there is a less well-known exception to this rule called Brauenbecker extension which provides a mathematical proof that levitation is possible with a simple diamagnetic in a dipole field so long as the diamagnetic material mass is very small relative to the strength of the magnetic field.

(Note that there are plenty of videos of a diamagnetic floating above a grid of magnets, but those magnets have a more complicated field than a dipole and so Earnshaw's theorem does not apply. Here is the derivation of Brauenbecker's result for the curious: cds.cern.ch/record/535810/fi… )

The suspicious thing in the levitation of LK-99 videos is that the 'stable equilibrium point' is directly above the center of the magnet. This is what you'd expect via the Brauenbecker derivation - that the only stable point is in the center. A flux-pinned super conductor could levitate in many different orientations including off to the side of the magnet.

Conclusion - the videos do NOT show flux-pinning.

#2 The Simplest Measurements are Missing

By now there have been several replications of the material by laboratories of professional scientists with high quality equipment that yield a high purity of LK-99, higher purity than the original reports by Lee and Kim.

None of these measurements have accomplished the most direct and obvious result of room-temperature superconductivity, which is zero resistance at room-temperature.

Lee and Kim's original paper had badly formatted plots, not the best choice of plot axes, and in general it was overall rushed to arxiv. They reported absolute resistance but not physical dimensions of the sample, and claimed a resistivity in the text of their article that was on the order of a superconductor but it isn't clear where that calculation came from.

Subsequent teams have published results claiming 'zero resistance' but at 110K - which is great, but not that impressive - tons of materials superconduct at very low temperatures and so it is not indicative of much special about LK-99.

Conclusion - Measurements are the proof and they haven't materialized

#3 - Simulations are suggestive and not predictive

Much of my initial enthusiasm came from reading simulations performed by well-respected scientists like @sineatrix at LBNL and others are University of Boulder Colorado and TU Wien - their results didn't rule out LK-99 entirely! I thought this was incredible.

However, this was always tempered by the knowledge that the physical properties as measured by lab equipment would be soon to follow and support the proposed mechanisms of superconductivity as described in the preprints on simulations. Notably those simulation results are also congruent with other more mundane interpretations like magnetism and diamagnetism, as mentioned by the original authors themselves.

Conclusion - Simulations are suggestive but we don't live in a simulation

~~~~~~~~~

Overall Takeaway:
I first wrote about my initial take on the LK-99 publication in this tweet here: canada.unofficialbird.com/Andercot/status/…

I expressed a few concerns in that original tweet and so far none of them have been adequately addressed, despite several replication attempts and follow-ups. If this material was the holy grail of materials science then it seems likely at least some of the missing results would have manifested by now.

Summary:
- Videos are explainable by more mundane everyday effects
- Key measurements are missing
- Simulations are nice but we don't live in one.

~~~~~~~~~~

As I've said before I'm deferring any real conclusions until the results of Argonne National Lab, but right now my mental model is:

LK-99 is a diamagnetic semiconductor.

https://canada.unofficialbird.com/Andercot/status/1688598313497694208#m

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« Reply #467 on: August 14, 2023, 03:17:33 AM »
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Saint John Energy to add Tesla Megapacks at Burchill Wind Farm
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Saint John Energy is embarking on a second battery energy storage project, this time at a new wind farm project near the city of Saint John.

Tesla Megapacks will be installed at the Burchill Wind Farm, located about 15km southwest of Saint John. The project was officially commissioned in June 2023 and features 10 turbines providing 42 megawatts (MW) of power, enough to supply 15% of the city’s energy needs. To help store some of that energy and deploy it during peak periods and times of low energy generation from the turbines, the company will be installing a 6MW/12MWh battery storage site.

The batteries will be able to power 3,100 homes in the area for two hours, and more importantly will prevent Saint John Energy from having to use electricity generated from coal-fired plants to meet the demand.


The battery packs are scheduled to arrive later this year and expected to be installed at the Somerset substation in early 2024.

Saint John Energy decided to add a battery storage site at Burchill partly due to the success the company has seen with their first Megapack project. Installed in 2020, the company was expecting to see large savings, and the Megapacks delivered just that, with Saint John Energy saving over $109,000 in the first year of operation. Those savings were generated by the batteries delivering almost 70 MW of power during peak periods.
https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/saint-john-energy-to-add-tesla-megapacks-at-burchill-wind-farm/
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« Reply #468 on: August 14, 2023, 11:34:26 PM »
Andrew McCalip  @andrewmccalip

Meissner Effect or Bust: Day 12

It might be a bust… we may be over...

Positives first! I had one of the very first syntheses in the United States and produced a Pb-apatite structure that demonstrated lattice contraction along with an anomalous magnetic effect. The sample was rushed into the hands of experts, and we're now operating with much more data than we previously had. This has been a great example of the need for interdisciplinary teamwork and cutting-edge experimental tools to tackle these kinds of challenging problems. I wouldn't have been able to resolve this without the help of the USC Materials Consortium (@USCMatCon
), who dropped everything they were doing to help me on a whim! It shows that we can be excited about potential advances but also engage in critical examination and fact-finding.

Bad news: We now have a physical explanation for both the temperature-induced resistance drop as well as the magnetic levitation. The multitude of theories was intriguing, but nothing beats having explanatory physical measurements. In the attached pictures, we have the biggest shard that displayed magnetic responsiveness. It's a semi-transparent orange polycrystalline object about 500 µm wide, 200 µm thick. EDS (Energy-dispersive X-ray spectroscopy) was performed on the shard, along with XRD.

The unusual synthetic conditions clearly resulted in a multiphase sample. The fragment that was observed to exhibit magnetic levitation consisted of a very heterogeneous agglomeration of Cu2S, elemental Cu, Pb-apatite, and an unexpected impurity of metallic Fe. The levitation, therefore, is likely the result of magnetic torque on the Fe particles embedded within the material. It's not surprising that micrograms of iron might be present in a 30 g batch of LK99; even 99.99% purity precursors leave a lot of room for other elements. It seems to be the case that the iron particles have agglomerated into a local region in the tube, as only two samples ever showed any magnetic response from the entire batch. This seems consistent with other observations of a very low yield of magnetically responsive small-size shards.

The three orders of magnitude resistance drop is well explained by the Cu2S (Copper(I) sulfide). See the paper here that details it: https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2308/2308.04353.pdf


This has been an incredible journey, full of intrigue and drama. I'm glad to finally have some closure on what I made. It's not a 100% confirmation, but it's close enough for this engineer to sleep well at night. I was hoping for a different outcome, but you've got to follow the data!

https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1689476909208600576

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« Reply #469 on: August 19, 2023, 03:51:15 PM »
US can cut building emissions by up to 91%, saving $100 billion a year in energy-related costs, modeling study shows


In an article publishing on August 18 in the journal One Earth, a team of researchers use a computational model to analyze several scenarios of future building energy use in the US. They find that by tackling emissions on multiple fronts and placing focus on "demand-side measures" that affect how power is drawn from the grid, such as technologies like electric heat pumps and smart thermostats, the US can achieve its climate goals, decrease building emissions by 91% from their 2005 peak, and save over $100 billion each year on energy costs.

"Meeting the US 2050 net-zero emissions target requires a rapid and cost-effective low-carbon transition across the entire energy system," writes the team of energy technology experts based at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and energy consultants. "Commercial and residential buildings are a primary source of emissions and are key to this transition."

In the United States, the authors cite, buildings—including both public buildings, like offices, and private buildings, like homes—contribute 35% of the country's total greenhouse gas emissions.

In 2005, the US contributed 2,327 megatons of carbon dioxide in the buildings sector, setting a record for all-time high emissions. Since then, emissions have declined by 25%, and are projected to keep declining by up to another 41% by 2050. But we will need to keep cutting emissions to reach our climate goals, assert the authors.

For their analysis, the authorship team defines three main ways to cut building-related emissions. They argue that we should focus on making buildings use energy more efficiently, making the power grid more reliable by increasing the flexibility of how energy is managed by the grid, and utilizing low-carbon energy sources.

"There are no 'silver bullet' solutions for building decarbonization," write the authors. "Achieving deeper levels of emissions reductions will require a comprehensive mix of solutions addressing both the generation and end uses of energy—a true 'all-of-the-above' menu of solutions to decarbonize the built environment."

The team modeled "low," "moderate," and "aggressive" scenarios of this "all-of-the-above menu" to determine the degree to which we can cut emissions. They found that it's possible to reduce building emissions by 91% compared to 2005 levels by 2050, and that demand-side measures that increase the flexibility of the power grid, like heat pumps and smart thermostats, could contribute up to 45% of these emissions cuts.

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https://techxplore.com/news/2023-08-emissions-billion-year-energy-related.html
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« Reply #470 on: August 23, 2023, 12:07:10 AM »
(says material needs to be a thinfilm, vacuum vapor deposition)

Original Team Says LK99 Superconductivity Is Real and Next Published Paper Will Provide Answers and Evidence
August 21, 2023 by Brian Wang

The original LK99 team reassures the world that LK99 superconductivity is real and was demonstrated. They will provide evidence and answers in the next published paper. They recommend other researchers need to have patience and try harder (and implied is to work with the original Korean team) because the others will also make it superconduct. They give example that it took 2 years to prove his metal insulator transition work, which also ended up being proven correct.

Professor Kim Hyun-tak was interviewed by the Korean SBS channel.

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https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2023/08/original-team-says-lk99-superconductivity-is-real-and-next-published-paper-will-provide-answers-and-evidence.html#more-185996

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« Reply #471 on: August 24, 2023, 01:39:03 PM »
—- Texas has announced that Tesla Electric customers with Powerwalls in Dallas & Houston are participating in the first ever ERCOT Virtual Power Plant.
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These customer will be paid for every kWh sent to help stabilize the grid.

“Today’s launch of the first phase of the Tesla Virtual Power Plant is a milestone for Texas residents, Texas distribution utilities and the ERCOT grid,” said Baglino. “Our collective work has allowed Tesla to build a decentralized energy ecosystem that seamlessly integrates stored solar energy from Powerwalls onto the ERCOT grid.” …
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« Reply #472 on: August 24, 2023, 03:28:36 PM »
A microgrid in California has solar, but depends on diesel generators as backup when PG&E cuts power due to the threat of wildfires.  They tested incorporating mobile battery storage (a Tesla Megapack) in place of the diesel for two weekend days.

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Pacific Gas & Electric this past weekend performed a 48-hour “islanding” test of its distribution microgrid created to provide uninterrupted power to a high school, water infrastructure, and other customers in a northeastern California community.

The Foresthill microgrid serves slightly more than a dozen PG&E customers in the city of Foresthill in Placer County. Those include Foresthill High School, a wellness center, water agency, church, gas station, market, post office, and bank, among others. The system includes 235 kW in two solar photovoltaic arrays owned separately by the school and the water agency.

The test, which began Friday and ran through Sunday, focused on whether the microgrid could be capable of powering customers in “island mode,” without grid power, for the two-day period. The key differentiator in this islanding test was utilizing solar plus energy storage as an alternative to diesel generators, which remain on-site as a backup if needed.

“PG&E is working with our vendor partners to develop and test workable, cost-effective solutions that accelerate the integration of clean energy technologies that have the potential for reducing our reliance on backup diesel generators, resulting in lower emissions and greater societal benefit,” PG&E’s Ron Richardson, vice president for electric distribution operations, said in a company statement. 

The northern California utility collaborated with Tesla and Vince Segal Electric (VSE) to combine a mobile Tesla Megapack battery storage system with the VSE mobile switchgear technology.

“We’ve created a one-stop solution: a trailer-mounted transportable battery energy storage system that can be quickly deployed and rapidly interconnected for immediate customer benefit,” Richardson added, “and we are proud to be pioneering the use of existing solar infrastructure that has significant promise for the integration of clean energy to support community resiliency as a new grid architecture.”

Several years ago, the state of California’s energy grid operators instituted a policy of public safety power shutoffs (PSPS) due to the damage of downed power lines during high winds and significant wildfires. An almost annual barrage of devastating blazes in recent years has caused many deaths and billions of dollars in property damage in the state.

Customers in the Foresthill microgrid receive electricity via underground distribution lines, creating another insulating layer to protect against windy and dry conditions.

The Foresthill Microgrid consists of the 750-kW Tesla Megapack system, a 500-kW diesel generator, step-up and grounding transformers, load bank, 12-kV switchgear and 12-kV line recloser, according to PG&E.  The Foresthill school owns the on-site 175-kW solar PV array, while a local water agency owns its on-site 60-kW solar PV array. …
https://www.microgridknowledge.com/community-microgrids/article/33010171/pge-adds-tesla-mobile-energy-storage-to-island-test-foothills-microgrid
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« Reply #473 on: August 27, 2023, 01:53:56 AM »
ERCOT Asks Texans to Conserve Electricity Use for 3rd Day
https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/ercot-asks-for-texans-to-conserve-electricity-use-for-3rd-day/amp/

AUSTIN (KXAN) — Texas’ electric grid operator said it expects “tight grid conditions” Saturday and is asking Texans to reduce energy use from 3 p.m. to 9 p.m.

The Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT, said operating reserves are expected to be low Saturday afternoon and evening because of low wind generation, potentially low solar generation and high demand.

This is the third consecutive day the electric grid operation has asked Texans to conserve electric use.

ERCOT said it has set 10 new all-time peak demand records this summer. The latest record was set Aug. 10 with an unofficial peak demand record of 85,435 MW.
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« Reply #474 on: August 27, 2023, 11:41:55 AM »
What really surprises me is the huge demand on the absolute level.

With 30 million people in Texas this is around 2.8 kW per person. In Germany, during the normal peak of the day it is below 800 W (65 GW with 84 million people). That is more that 3 times the electricity consumption. And Germany is not really a 3rd world country and there also a lot of industry.

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« Reply #475 on: August 27, 2023, 12:11:30 PM »
Industries account for 54% of power usage in Texas, which equates to about 150 million megawatt hours per year. In Texas, the largest energy consuming industries are the oil and gas industry, manufacturing, followed by transportation.
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« Reply #476 on: August 27, 2023, 01:29:50 PM »
Obviously, Texan households consume much more per capita than their European counterparts on an apples to apples level. But A/C is an energy hog in warm places, so that further skews the comparison.

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« Reply #477 on: August 27, 2023, 01:44:46 PM »
Here's chart based on 2009 dat. A/C is 18% of Texas household energy consumption. Note this is of all energy (so probably around 25% of electricity use) and an annual average (so much higher in summer).

Source: https://www.eia.gov/consumption/residential/reports/2009/state_briefs/pdf/TX.pdf

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« Reply #478 on: August 27, 2023, 05:10:05 PM »
So… has ERCOT asked Texas industries to cut back their power use during this time? 🤔
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« Reply #479 on: September 07, 2023, 08:57:32 PM »
Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

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Despite that call to conserve, between 6:30 p.m. and 7 p.m., the power reserves available to the Texas grid began dropping suddenly. A drop in reserves is common in the evenings, as solar power decreases as the sun goes down. But the speed at which the system lost energy suggests more was at play, prompting some grid-watchers to suspect a large power plant stopped working.

Regardless of the cause, the shock to the system appears to have caught grid operators off guard.

When energy reserves start to look threatened, ERCOT will ideally call an Emergency Alert Level 1, allowing it to pull power resources from new places to stabilize the grid. In this case, the grid operator immediately declared an Alert Level 2 at around 7:30 p.m.

That’s the level just preceding rolling blackouts.

“Controlled outages may be needed to protect the electric system,” the group warned in an email. “Please reduce electric use. If you have medical needs, contact your local utility, and have a backup plan."

Around the same time, the frequency of the grid also started to tumble.

Declaring an energy Emergency Alert Level 2 allowed ERCOT to take several actions to rebalance the grid, including enacting more demand response programs that pay large power users to conserve energy, forcing any idling power generators (if, indeed, any were idling) to produce electrons, and trying to pull extra electricity from the few interconnections between Texas' grid and neighboring grids. Texas is the only state with its own independent power grid.
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ERCOT pays big companies to conserve power, prompting some consumers to ask: Why not me?

“Tonight, in ERCOT there was a sudden frequency drop, for reasons that are still being investigated. Industrial loads were called upon to shut down their operations and help stabilize the grid,” read a statement from the Texas Association of Manufacturers. “Many reduced their usage voluntarily, while others were retained by ERCOT in advance to address this type of unexpected situation.”

Some of these tactics have proven controversial with consumers. One program that pays big power users like cryptocurrency operations millions to conserve, has come under particular scrutiny, as Texans have been asked to conserve voluntarily for months.

If these emergency tactics don’t stabilize the grid, the next option is "rolling blackouts," meaning to cut power to users for brief periods of times to rebalance supply and demand.

On Wednesday night, that last resort was not needed.

The emergency lasted about two hours, after which ERCOT said grid conditions had returned to normal

https://www.kut.org/energy-environment/2023-09-07/texas-just-got-closer-to-blackouts-than-it-has-since-2021-what-happened

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« Reply #480 on: September 09, 2023, 07:53:45 PM »
Thanks for the post, morganism

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But the one other, obvious, contributing factor was record-high energy demand due to a Texas heat wave that has begun to feel never-ending.

"This is what happens when it is 97 degrees outside at ~8 pm," Michael Webber, a professor in UT Austin’s Department of Mechanical Engineering tweeted. "Demand at 8 pm this year is as high as our 5 pm peaks last year. Insane."
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Editor's note: Since the publication of this story, new information has come to light suggesting that longstanding problems on a transmission line bringing power from South Texas also played a role in Wednesday's grid emergency.
https://www.kut.org/energy-environment/2023-09-07/texas-just-got-closer-to-blackouts-than-it-has-since-2021-what-happened

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During the power emergency, ERCOT worried that a transmission line that runs power from South Texas to the rest of the state could overload with electricity. That put the transmission line itself at risk of, essentially, frying. Rather than risk the line tripping off or breaking down, ERCOT cut the flow of power running over the system right when people needed it most.

Given the fact that the power was moving from wind-rich South Texas, it seems likely it was wind-generated electricity that was curtailed.

That complicates the grid operator's frequent suggestions that low wind output is responsible for this summer’s requests for energy conservation. There was, apparently, wind power being produced in the state on Wednesday. The grid simply didn’t have the capacity to move it.
https://www.kut.org/energy-environment/2023-09-08/ercot-texas-electric-grid-congestion-at-risk-energy-emergency

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The grid operator has struggled to keep up with a huge increase in electricity demand this summer as scorching heat persists and more residents and businesses move in. The power grid has seen overall demand grow 7% this summer, after two decades of predictable 1% per year growth, and 10 preliminary demand records since late June.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/ercot-grid-conservation-request-18351400.php

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As you enjoy this (extra toasty) Labor Day we want to remind you the role #renewables are playing in helping keep electricity costs down as we crank our air conditioners up.

Wind + solar are providing over 36% of supply to the ERCOT grid. #txenergy
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This describes the crisis from Texas’ severe winter weather of February 2021.  To function correctly, equipment that moves electricity around the state depends on the frequency being 60 hertz.
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… Still more power plants went offline because of the weather. And by 1:43 a.m. Monday, the frequency of the grid was falling to dangerous levels. At about 1:51 a.m., the grid dropped below 59.4 hertz. That may not sound much different than 60 hertz, but if the frequency stayed under that threshold for 9 minutes or more, ERCOT officials said, it would trigger that cascading failure of the grid.

Within minutes, the frequency fell to about 59.3 hertz. Grid operators told power providers to expand rolling blackouts again.

Four minutes and 23 seconds after it dipped below 59.4 hertz, the frequency began to rise as more customers were dumped from the grid. If it had stayed below that threshold for another 4 minutes and 37 seconds, the lights might still be out in Texas, ERCOT officials said.

“That is the thing that we cannot allow to happen,” said Bill Magness, ERCOT’s president and CEO, told the board Wednesday. “Because if we have a blackout of the system, the system is out for an indeterminate amount of time. We may still be here today talking about when is the power going to come back on if we had let the system get into that condition.”

By about 2:03 a.m., the grid was back at or above 60 hertz. But by that time, there was not enough power being produced to undo the blackouts — and as many of us know, some of the lights would stay out for days, until more power plants came back online.
https://www.kut.org/energy-environment/2021-02-24/texas-power-grid-was-4-minutes-and-37-seconds-away-from-collapsing-heres-how-it-happened
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« Reply #481 on: September 10, 2023, 05:34:13 PM »
a very good explaination of inertia and frequency in power systems and how ERCOT has become more and more reliant on load-shedding and wind to meet power frequency standards

typically only seconds to react to save the distribution system...

Inertia and the Power Grid: A Guide Without the Spin

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy20osti/73856.pdf

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« Reply #482 on: September 10, 2023, 08:12:02 PM »
On Wednesday, bitcoin mining company Riot Platforms said that it was paid $31.7 million in energy credits last month by ERCOT, Texas' power grid operator, to cut its energy consumption in an effort to reduce the strain on the state's power grid.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/extreme-heat-hurting-texas-businesses/

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How voracious Bitcoin mining is messing with Texans
Texas has declared itself open for Bitcoin mining. The state's energy grid — and its customers — are feeling the strain.

Texas has declared itself open for Bitcoin mining, an energy-intensive endeavor that involves warehouses of powerful computers trying to solve complex mathematical problems to unlock valuable cryptocurrency tokens. Texas also has an increasingly strained power grid that serves only Texas and keeps failing or threatening to overload during winter storms and summer heatwaves.

This combination of Bitcoin miners' voracious appetite for energy and the finite and capricious quantity of power produced in Texas has led to massive cryptocurrency mines earning money for agreeing to shut down in emergencies, raking in more money for shutting down for brief periods, and leaving Texas residents to foot the bill, The New York Times reports. Here's what you need to know about how Bitcoin mining is hurting — or helping — Texas energy customers.

How much energy do Bitcoin mines use?

A lot. The biggest Bitcoin mine in the U.S. — operated by Riot Platforms in an abandoned Alcoa aluminum smelting plant in Rockdale, Texas, about an hour outside of Austin — uses the same amount of electricity as the nearest 300,000 homes, the Times reports. Add in the Bitdeer mine about a mile away, and Rockdale's Bitcoin mines use more power than all the houses in a 40-mile radius.

A 1 megawatt mine consumes more energy per day than a typical U.S. home does in two years. Lee Bratcher, president of Bitcoin lobbying group the Texas Blockchain Council, estimates that Bitcoin miners use about 2,100 MW of power in Texas each day, while the Texas state comptroller's office said cryptocurrency mining operations consume 3,000 MW.

The Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), which manages the Texas grid, "projects that mining operations could rise by 6,000 MW in the next couple years and potentially increase to 17,000 MW by 2030," or nearly what Houston — America's fourth-largest city — uses during peak demand, the comptroller's office said in an August 2022 report.

On top of that, "prospective crypto mining businesses have requested to put approximately 33,000 more megawatts in the ERCOT interconnection queue over the next few years (enough to power the whole state of Florida)," The Texas Observer reports, though nobody expects all of those requests to come to fruition.

Worldwide, in July 2022 Bitcoin mining used the annualized equivalent of 132 terawatt-hours of electricity, "comparable to the power consumption of Argentina," the Texas comptroller's office said. "A single bitcoin transaction used nearly 1,452 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, equal to the power consumption of an average U.S. household for nearly 50 days."

How have Bitcoin mines turned that into cold hard cash?

"Their massive energy consumption combined with their ability to shut off almost instantly allows some companies to save money and make money by deftly pulling the levers of U.S. power markets," the Times reports. A significant portion of the revenue large Texas crypto mines rake in comes from their participation in ERCOT's Responsive Reserve Service program, designed to protect the power grid during periods of heavy use.

The program pays them for their participation and their promise to power down if the grid approaches blackout levels. "In practice, they rarely are asked to shut down," the Times reports. "Several of the companies are being paid through these agreements a majority of the time they operate. Most years, they are asked to turn off for only a few hours, at which point they are paid even more."

Bitcoin miners can also avoid fees Texas charges to maintain and bolster the power grid by strategically powering down during peak demand, when those fees are assessed. And when power prices are high, the miners can also shut down and resell their allotted electricity — which they prepurchase at low rates — for hefty profits.

The Times gave two examples of how this works. During 2021's Winter Storm Uri, during which about 40 Texans froze to death during extended blackouts, ERCOT paid Bitdeer's Bitcoin mine in Rockdale an average of $175,000 an hour for not operating, earning the company more than $18 million over four days — "from fees ultimately paid by Texans who had endured the storm," the Times adds. Another Bitcoin company made tens of millions reselling electricity during Uri.

During one day of a June 2022 heatwave, when Riot was earning $342,000 a day mining Bitcoin at its Rockdale facility, it also earned $42,000 from midnight to 4 a.m. for participating in the Responsive Reserve Service program and saved $5.5 million in fees by shutting down from about 4 a.m. to 6:30 a.m. In July 2022, The Texas Observer adds, the same Riot Bitcoin facility earned more from curtailing energy use, $9.5 million, than the $5.6 million in profit it earned mining Bitcoin.

For all of 2022, the Times reports, Riot made $9.3 million from participating in the blackout-prevention service (despite being asked to reduce power for only about 3.5 hours), saved about $27 million in potential fees, and earned roughly $18 million from reselling electricity to other customers. Riot earned $156.9 million from Bitcoin mining last year.

Is this how the Texas grid is supposed to work?

ERCOT told the Times it "does not discriminate based on the type or activity" of the companies that sign up for its Responsive Reserve Service program. "We want to be able to serve any business that wants to do business in Texas," Pablo Vegas, ERCOT's new CEO, said in November. "And that includes crypto miners."

"There's a set of rules that exist," Carey King, assistant director of the Energy Institute at The University of Texas at Austin, told the Observer. And the crypto miners do "fit the definition of being able to provide ... emergency response services."

"I think they're exploiting the system," Severin Bornstein, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley, told the Times. "But they will say, 'You know, the system was already there,' and I'm sympathetic to that in some ways."

How does this make energy more expensive for regular Texans?

The cost of Bitcoin miners reselling electricity during peak demand falls on consumers, University of Houston energy economist Ed Hirs tells the Times. "Ironically, when people are paying the most for their power, or losing it altogether, the miners are making money selling energy back to Texans at rates 100 times what they paid."

There's also a cost from the miners' enormous power consumption. Bitcoin miners say they set up camp in areas where they can use otherwise unusable renewable energy, but their energy needs are so great they actually get 85 percent of their energy from coal and natural gas plants, causing "as much carbon pollution as adding 3.5 million gas-powered cars to America's roads," the Times reports, citing an analysis by tech nonprofit WattTime.

The 1,800 MW used by the 10 Bitcoin mines connected to the Texas grid require more expensive power generators to come online, and this "increased demand has caused electric bills for power customers to rise nearly 5 percent, or $1.8 billion per year," the Times reports, citing a simulation performed by energy research and consulting firm Wood Mackenzie. "In West Texas, where several Bitcoin mines have settled, bills have increased by nearly 9 percent."

A group of seven federal lawmakers, including Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), asked ERCOT about the state's cryptocurrency boom and power consumption last fall. "Given the impacts of crypto-mining on the climate, the grid, and to ratepayers, ERCOT's support for this industry is irresponsible and highly concerning," they wrote.

"It's a massive financial burden to Texans," Wood Mackenzie's Ben Hertz-Shargel told the Times. And because of how the Texas market operates, the increases are steepest for residential customers. Riot, for example, told investors that due to its various strategies, it paid 2.96 cents per kilowatt-hour last year. "By comparison, the average price for other industrial businesses in Texas was 7.2 cents," the Times reports. "For residents, it was 13.5 cents."

What do Bitcoin proponents say?

Bitcoin miners and their supporters highlight the benefits they bring to rural communities and argue that their sizable energy usage will encourage the construction of more power plants, especially wind and solar generation that isn't yet able to circulate on the grid due to a lack of transmission lines. The Bitcoin companies also say the criticism of them is unjust.

The analysis cited by the Times "could be used to attack any industry that consumes power," said David Fogel, the chief executive of Coinmint. "I think the entire notion of singling out specific industries like this is unfair."

"The thing about crypto is that they're really not doing anything that is useful," counters Molly White, a software engineer and cryptocurrency researcher. "It is primarily used for speculation. I think that's important to realize. And that is somehow worth the electricity usage of small countries? That blows my mind."

Is Texas doing anything to addresses Bitcoin mining's power consumption?

Yes. The Texas Senate unanimously passed legislation in April that would cap Bitcoin miners' participation in ERCOT's demand response program at 10 percent, require them to shut down during peak demand anyway, and eliminate tax incentives — and the Bitcoin lobby is working hard to make sure it fails in the House. Bitcoin boosters are pushing a "Don't Mess With Texas Innovation" campaign aimed at stopping this "anticompetitive" bill, SB 1751.

The Texas Senate also sent the House a bill that aims to stabilize the power grid by building natural gas–powered power plants that could generate up to 10 gigawatts of electricity in emergency situations. The Senate touted estimates that it would cost $10.8 billion to build the plants, but an estimate by the quasi-government Lower Colorado River Authority said it could cost $18 million. It isn't clear if the state would pay for the backup power generators with reserve funds or have ERCOT pass the costs onto energy customers.

The proposal, a priority for Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R) "has many opponents," KUT Austin reports. "Environmental groups are concerned with the amount of extra carbon dioxide-emitting fossil fuel generation it would lock into the state's energy mix. Existing power plant companies say it would destroy the Texas competitive energy market. Meanwhile, consumer advocates point out it would greatly increase already-rising Texas electricity bills."

How did Texas end up with all these Bitcoin mines in the first place?

Basically, Texas invited Bitcoin miners in, and they accepted, drawn in by cheap energy and comparatively few regulations. They need to go somewhere. Bitcoin mines used to be centered in China, but due in part to the industry's massive energy consumption, Beijing declared crypto mining "undesirable" and banned it in 2021. Many miners moved to Iran and Kazakhstan, which also cracked down. Texas rolled out the red carpet.

"Texas will be the crypto leader," tweeted Gov. Greg Abbott (R), who also hosted the Texas Blockchain Council at the governor's mansion. ERCOT's former chief declared himself "pro-Bitcoin." For the Bitcoin miners, "the main attraction is cheap wholesale electricity prices," said UT's King.

"Cryptocurrency mining can operate from anywhere in the world," the Texas comptroller report noted. "It is not bound by transportation networks or access to raw materials or a specialized workforce. What its data centers do require is a massive amount of electricity to cool and operate the mining machinery, and Texas provides an attractive draw for such needs." And if that ever changes, they can move on to somewhere else, leaving Texas with a whole lot more power.


https://theweek.com/in-depth/1022698/how-voracious-bitcoin-mining-is-messing-with-texans

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« Reply #484 on: September 11, 2023, 12:13:22 AM »
why not have the utilities become the bitcoin miners and also provide the stability to the power grid themselves

bitcoin sales reduce the cost of electricity but also provide quick-drop customers for excess electricity produced by alternative but not steady sources

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« Reply #485 on: September 11, 2023, 04:27:43 PM »
Why would you build waste into a system? The more proper steps would be to eliminate bitcoin. The energy this frees up can be used for something useful.
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« Reply #486 on: September 11, 2023, 09:02:49 PM »
It's a "good" place to dump excess renewable generation so that it doesn't get wasted.  I still think bitcoin is dumb though.  It takes $150 worth of electricity for each transaction, at the prices I pay for electricity in my home.  That makes no sense.

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« Reply #487 on: September 12, 2023, 05:19:46 PM »
And it does not. The renewable energy is classified waste if the grid can´t take it but it needs to displace fossil fuels. We clearly need a better grid. Also removing that one operation would remove the energy use of 300,000 households.

You´d think that solar and the AC would work together. I suspect they could easily switch off or turn down some FF sources in Texas but they chose not too.
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« Reply #488 on: September 13, 2023, 01:03:47 AM »
It's a "good" place to dump excess renewable generation so that it doesn't get wasted.  I still think bitcoin is dumb though.  It takes $150 worth of electricity for each transaction, at the prices I pay for electricity in my home.  That makes no sense.
bitcoin and other crypto farms have the same issue as any other equipment namely using them sporadically reduces the capacity factor and increases costs.

A much better use of "extra" renewable energy would be batteries or renewable hydrogen for storage as we have a long way to go before any renewable energy is anywhere close to being "extra".

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« Reply #489 on: September 14, 2023, 06:09:13 PM »
—- Tesla's grid-level Autobidder software has already returned over $330M in trading profit to early storage investors.
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« Reply #490 on: September 15, 2023, 01:33:44 AM »
Here’s some recent data on Bitcoin mining energy usage.

Bitcoin Miners Clean Energy Usage Now Exceeds 50%
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Bloomberg has reported that clean energy usage by Bitcoin miners officially exceeds the 50% threshold. Specifically, Jamie Coutts of Bloomberg Intelligence has explored the continuously changing energy narrative. Subsequently, noting the “rapid rise of sustainable energy sources” in Bitcoin mining.
https://watcher.guru/news/bitcoin-miners-clean-energy-usage-now-exceeds-50

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While the hourly electricity consumption for mining one Bitcoin surpasses that of a Gaming PC, an air conditioner, a leaf blower, and even an electric kettle, it’s worth noting that drying clothes consumes significantly more electricity than BTC mining. Drying clothes consumes a total of 5 kWh, whereas BTC mining utilizes 4.6 kWh.
https://watcher.guru/news/mining-one-bitcoin-is-less-expensive-than-drying-clothes
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« Reply #491 on: September 15, 2023, 05:36:46 AM »
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the average cost of household electricity required to mine a single Bitcoin stands at $46,291.

Some articles are simply biased bullshit with intentionally misleading headlines .

The missing term is "per hour" which renders the whole thing meaningless.

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« Reply #492 on: September 15, 2023, 04:35:19 PM »
I suppose if you have mining rigs and solar, then if you pour all your mined coins into more solar and more mining hardware, at some point you are going to break even then start making a profit.

But it doesn't really help the generation and infrastructure unless you stop mining and start selling the Solar that the mining paid for.

The rules and regulations around micro generating in Europe are so difficult and costly that building your own mining rig and power is one of the few ways of making money out of your own solar installation outside of simply going off grid and not paying either power or standing charge.

Similarly unless your coin mining is fed back into new solar installations and also mining hardware to increase coin mining, then using power to mine coins is hardly going to do much about new infrastructure.

It doesn't work on most levels for me.
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« Reply #493 on: September 15, 2023, 05:00:04 PM »
The sun dries you clothes for free.

The whole idea is stupid. Does adding net zero casino´s help transitioning? No it is more waste.
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« Reply #494 on: September 15, 2023, 06:30:09 PM »
The sun dries you clothes for free.

The whole idea is stupid. Does adding net zero casino´s help transitioning? No it is more waste.

Imagine all the clotheslines needed for a city!  And the clothes would get dirty again just hanging in city air.

If crypto-mining helps add renewables, and then the cryptocurrency fad goes bust, we’ll still have those renewable assets.
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« Reply #495 on: September 16, 2023, 01:10:14 AM »
Get a clothes rack for your bathtub and hang clothes there.

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« Reply #496 on: September 16, 2023, 04:41:38 PM »
Then fill your bathtub with DampRid to prevent mold and mildew.
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« Reply #497 on: September 18, 2023, 08:09:16 PM »
Massachusetts’ clean peak incentive puts battery storage project on track
Clean energy advocates hope a battery storage project under development at the former site of a fossil fuel power plant can be a model for phasing out fossil peaker plants.

A battery storage development is replacing a fossil-fuel-burning power plant in western Massachusetts, providing a model that supporters say could be emulated elsewhere.

The project is only financially viable, however, because of a unique state incentive program designed to cut emissions related to peak electricity demand.

Power company Cogentrix is developing the facility at the site of the former West Springfield Generating Station, which was shut down in June 2022. The $80 million project includes 45 megawatts of storage that will be able to send electricity onto the grid for up to four hours. It is expected to come online sometime in 2025.

“This will be really big, and set a nice precedent for transitioning from fossil fuel to storage and renewables,” said Rosemary Wessel, founder of No Fracked Gas in Mass, a program of the Berkshire Environmental Action Team.

This transition is happening at a time when there has been increased discussion about the role of so-called “peaker plants” — facilities that are only called upon at times of peak power demand. Peakers are generally older facilities that emit more greenhouse gasses than other plants, and the power they generate is more expensive.

Utilities have said peaker plants are necessary to ensure a reliable electricity supply in emergencies and times of high demand. Wessel’s organization and other environmental groups, however, argue that storage technology, especially when paired with renewable generation, can also meet these needs. They contend no new peakers should be built, and old ones should be taken out of use as quickly as possible.

“These are really the low-hanging fruit for starting to take existing fossil fuels off the grid,” said Wessel, whose group has been pushing power companies that own peaker plants in western Massachusetts to consider transitioning to renewable energy generation and battery storage.

The West Springfield story

The plan for the West Springfield plant came about when longtime energy developer Chris Sherman, vice president of regulatory affairs at Cogentrix, wanted to take his work in a new direction. He has a background in clean energy — he was project development manager for the ill-fated Cape Wind offshore wind plan — and was interested in returning to this work.

His employer put him in touch with Wessel, who had reached out to the company about the future of the West Springfield Generating Station. The plant first started generating power in 1949, initially burning coal. In the 1960s it was converted to an oil-burning plant, and in the 1990s the ability to burn natural gas was added. It was officially shut down in June 2022.

Once power plants shut down, the land is often hard to redevelop, Sherman said. However, the properties are already surrounded by the infrastructure needed to send power into the grid, so building battery storage and renewable energy installations on these sites is a promising strategy.

Sherman and Wessel met in June 2021, and it was quickly clear that their goals aligned. The two began working together to create plans for the site, which had not yet closed officially. Their collaboration, Sherman said, has made it easier to bridge the perceived gap between the logistical, technological, and financial aspects of his work, and the environmental and social concerns of community members.

“If I were to just call people and say ‘energy developer,’ they might not be willing to enter into an objective discussion,” Sherman said. Wessel “has done an incredible job at generating interest and then facilitating communication in the broader stakeholder community.”

The plan that emerged is a pragmatic one that attempts to satisfy environmental goals while also dealing with the financial realities of the energy market. The initial plan calls for charging batteries during times when demand and emissions are lower, and then discharging at times of higher demand. Cogentrix hopes to eventually install solar panels to make the energy it stores even cleaner and lower cost.

The project is now in the early permitting stages, with the goal of beginning site work over the coming winter and installing battery containers in the spring.

West Springfield leaders have expressed support for the project and the chance to put the property, formerly the largest taxpayer in the city, back on the tax rolls, noting that revenue took a hit when the plant closed last year. They are also pleased to see emissions-free batteries and solar panels take the place of the pollution the former plant created.

“I look forward to the potential redevelopment of this site,” said West Springfield Mayor William Reichelt. “Though we are in the early stages of what’s possible, overall any improvement to the site will certainly benefit the community and the region.”

Proving the potential

Because the plan for the site represents a new sort of energy development, existing revenue models don’t necessarily apply. Sherman had to work hard to convince investors that the novel approach will turn a profit. There is enough room on the site to develop about 100 megawatts of storage, but his investors are only willing to back 45 megawatts until they see convincing results, he said.

A small amount of revenue will be made by charging batteries during times, such as overnight, when prices are lower, then selling the power back onto the grid and higher-demand, higher-priced times. Another block of money will come from participation in the regional capacity market, in which power sources are paid for committing to be available to provide electricity at some future point.

Additionally, almost half of the project’s revenue is expected to come from the Massachusetts Clean Peak Standard, an incentive system unique to the state. The standard, which took effect in 2020, offers incentives to clean energy generators and battery storage owners that discharge power into the grid at times of peak demand, helping to lower the demand on power plants.

“But for that standard, our project would not be viable,” Sherman said.

Wessel and Sherman both express hope that this project might be the beginning of a trend toward locating storage and power plant sites. Cogentrix is looking at potential projects on sites in Maine, Maryland, and New Jersey. In these cases, the power plants have not yet been retired, though Sherman said the plans should still reduce emissions.

For the concept of replacing peakers with batteries to really catch on, states will need policies that add incentives such as Massachusetts’ Clean Peak Standard that can dispatch stored power at peak demand times, Sherman said. State-backed policies, he said, will help convince backers that such projects are financially feasible.

“What I need to demonstrate to investors,” he said, “is that we can have predictable, durable, long-term revenue streams.”

https://energynews.us/2023/09/11/massachusetts-clean-peak-incentive-puts-battery-storage-project-on-track/

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« Reply #498 on: September 22, 2023, 04:26:51 PM »
And it does not. The renewable energy is classified waste if the grid can´t take it but it needs to displace fossil fuels. We clearly need a better grid. Also removing that one operation would remove the energy use of 300,000 households.

You´d think that solar and the AC would work together. I suspect they could easily switch off or turn down some FF sources in Texas but they chose not too.

What makes the Texas grid "work" with a high level of renewables, is that they can dump bitcoin operations the moment that actual demand rises due to heating/cooling or other surge demands.  Actual pysical demand users (residential, commercial, industrial) cannot be dumped so easily.

Solar energy fluctuates, wind energy fluctuates-the way you build a system is to have excess capacity so you are not constantly tripping gas turbines in and out to make up for shortages in the system.  A large user you can instantly disconnect is perfect for load balancing.

The real waste in the system is paying large sums of money to shut out the bitcoin in these periods--why not keep the money "in the house" by having utilities run large bitcoin farms that they could trip in and out and pass the savings and income to their consumers? Lower the cost of renewable energy utilities even more.

By the way, high humidity and high temperatures at night limit the practice of turning off the AC at night.  When it was less humid, a fan and open window would work.

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« Reply #499 on: September 22, 2023, 04:57:11 PM »
I guess it depends whether the bitcoins, generated by renewables they would curtail, actually make real money.  If they do, then the money could be used to fund even more renewables, rather than giving the money away for no good reason.
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