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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #750 on: January 20, 2023, 12:14:12 AM »
I signed the cease and desist letter to Fossil Fuel CEOs.

Has anybody else on ASIF done the same?

Link is https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/davos_2023_loc/
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #751 on: January 20, 2023, 07:50:03 AM »
Yes
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« Reply #752 on: January 20, 2023, 02:51:29 PM »
Done.
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« Reply #753 on: January 20, 2023, 04:55:53 PM »
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Democrats in Minnesota move to require 100% clean electricity by 2040
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Democrats in Minnesota are poised to pass a clean electricity bill. Red states are moving in the opposite direction.

Democrats in Minnesota are pledging to use their majorities in the state legislature to combat the climate crisis, including by requiring 100 percent clean electricity in the state by 2040.

It’s the latest example of how states are taking sharply divergent paths on climate policy this year, with red states like Ohio and Wyoming moving to deepen their dependence on fossil fuels.

The details: For the first time since 2014, Democrats in Minnesota have control of both chambers of the legislature and the governor’s office. The trifecta means they can advance longtime priorities — including proposals on climate change, abortion rights and gun control — without needing Republican votes.

Minnesota House Majority Leader Jamie Long (D), a supporter of a bill requiring utilities in Minnesota to reach 100 percent clean electricity by 2040, said in an interview that he’s optimistic the measure will advance soon.

“This is definitely the year this will pass,” Long said. “We heard loud and clear that climate was something Minnesota voters wanted us to take action on.”

The state House’s climate committee will hold a hearing on the bill Wednesday. The state Senate is expected to move the bill “quickly” as well, Long said, although the exact timeline remains unclear.

For years, prominent Democrats in Minnesota have fought for 100 percent clean electricity, only to see their plans stymied by political head winds. Now that could finally change.

Gov. Tim Walz campaigned for his first and second terms on the issue. A bill mandating 100 percent clean electricity passed the state House in recent sessions, but it died in the Republican-controlled state Senate.

Meanwhile, Sen. Tina Smith (D-Minn.) tried to include a clean electricity provision in the recently passed climate law, dubbed the Inflation Reduction Act. But the plan was dropped because of opposition from Sen. Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, a conservative Democrat. (Smith also championed a clean electricity standard that failed to garner GOP support while serving as Minnesota’s lieutenant governor from 2015 to 2018.)

“Though we were unable to get that legislation passed at the national level, states are going to continue to lead the way, and that’s exciting,” Smith told The Climate 202.

The clean electricity bill will “be good for lower energy costs, it will be good for our economy, and it will be good for reducing emissions,” she said.

Walz spokeswoman Claire Lancaster said in an email that the governor is “supportive” of the bill, noting that he touted it in his inaugural address.


Red states move in a different direction
By contrast, Republican lawmakers in Ohio recently worked with dark money groups to champion legislation that redefined natural gas, a fossil fuel, as a source of “green energy,” as The Climate 202 reported Tuesday.

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine (R) signed the legislation this month, capping a successful campaign by the Empowerment Alliance, a dark money group with ties to the gas industry, and the American Legislative Exchange Council, another anonymously funded group.

Meanwhile, in Wyoming, Republican lawmakers introduced a bill last week that called for phasing out the sale of new electric vehicles by 2035, The Washington Post’s Brian Pietsch reports.

State Sen. Jim Anderson, who introduced the bill, told Brian that the measure was meant to counteract California’s move in August to proceed with banning the sale of new cars running only on gasoline by 2035.

“I don’t have a problem with electric vehicles at all,” Anderson said. “I have a problem with somebody saying, ‘Don’t buy any more petroleum vehicles.'”

Bill Holland, vice president of state policy and advocacy at the League of Conservation Voters, said states that embrace clean energy could ultimately benefit the most from President Biden’s climate agenda, including the clean-energy jobs and investments spurred by the Inflation Reduction Act.

“Fast legislative action on 100% clean energy could position Minnesota to quickly reap the lower costs and good jobs from the Biden Administration’s climate plan,” Holland said in an email. “That contrasts with states like Ohio, where legislators once again did the bidding of fossil fuel companies to gut Ohio’s ability to invest in clean energy jobs.”


   Republican Reps. Gosar and Santos gain seats on environmental committees
Rep. Paul A. Gosar (R-Ariz.) will again be seated on the House Natural Resources Committee, which plays a key role in environmental policy, The Post’s Leigh Ann Caldwell and Amy B Wang report.


Meanwhile, Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.) will be seated on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, according to a steering committee member and GOP aide who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, The Post’s Azi Paybarah and Leigh Ann Caldwell report.

Santos, who flipped a seat on Long Island, has fabricated much of his biography and is the subject of a recently filed complaint with the Federal Election Commission. The science panel, chaired by Rep. Frank D. Lucas (R-Okla.), has jurisdiction over research and development at federal agencies including the Energy Department, Environmental Protection Agency and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.


Rep. Pingree calls for federal probe of propane group
Rep. Chellie Pingree (D-Maine) is calling on the Energy Department and the Federal Trade Commission to launch an investigation into whether a propane industry group violated federal law.

The move comes after the New York Times reported last week that the Propane Education and Research Council, a federally sanctioned trade association, has spent millions of dollars on an advertising campaign to promote fossil fuel use and discourage the use of heat pumps and other clean-energy technologies.

In a Tuesday letter sent to Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm and FTC Chair Lina Khan, Pingree said the campaign may have run afoul of a 1996 law that requires the funds PERC spends on marketing to be used solely on research, education, training and safety.

“This disingenuous campaign has dire consequences for states like mine,” Pingree wrote. “Mainers face long, rough winters where cost-effective heating is essential.”

The Energy Department and the FTC did not immediately respond to requests for comment.


At Davos, Europe unveils green plan to counter Inflation Reduction Act
European policymakers on Tuesday unveiled plans to counteract what they see as protectionist policies in the Inflation Reduction Act that could siphon clean-energy investment away from the continent, Maha El Dahan and Jan Strupczewski report for Reuters.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said Tuesday that the European Union will introduce a Net-Zero Industry Act that will help the bloc compete with America’s climate law by 2030.

“To keep European industry attractive, there is a need to be competitive with the offers and incentives that are currently available outside the E.U.,” she said at the World Economic Forum annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland.

The move comes after French President Emmanuel Macron warned during his visit to Washington in December that the Inflation Reduction Act and the CHIPS and Science Act would “fragment the West” unless America and its allies “resynchronize” their economic policies, The Post’s Olivier Knox reports. His remarks prompted President Biden to say that he makes no apologies for either law, but that some unspecified “tweaks” might be made to fix perceived “glitches” in the Inflation Reduction Act.

Meanwhile, United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres told Davos attendees on Wednesday that “some in Big Oil peddled the big lie,” referring to revelations last week that Exxon Mobil scientists accurately predicted future global warming in reports dating back to the late 1970s while the company publicly questioned climate change.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/18/democrats-minnesota-move-require-100-clean-electricity-by-2040/
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #754 on: January 20, 2023, 05:28:06 PM »
I signed the cease and desist letter to Fossil Fuel CEOs.

Has anybody else on ASIF done the same?

Link is https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/davos_2023_loc/

Me too

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #755 on: January 20, 2023, 11:46:25 PM »
The Wyoming anti EV bill was more political stunt than serious attempt. Thankfully it never made it out of committee.

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #756 on: January 23, 2023, 04:13:16 PM »
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Analysis: How Biden can meet his 100% clean electricity goal
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The landmark climate law that Biden signed last summer, dubbed the Inflation Reduction Act, is projected to leave the nation off track from meeting this goal in the coming years.

However, a detailed new analysis finds that the Biden administration can still keep this central climate goal within reach if the Environmental Protection Agency enacts strong carbon pollution standards for new and existing power plants.

And the administration can ultimately meet this goal if state and federal policymakers take additional steps to accelerate the deployment of clean energy nationwide, according to the analysis by the environmental groups Evergreen Action and the Natural Resources Defense Council, which was shared exclusively with The Climate 202 before its broader release Monday.

You can read the full analysis here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/23/how-biden-can-meet-his-100-clean-electricity-goal/
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #757 on: January 24, 2023, 02:15:21 PM »
The Federal Reserve Is Starting a Climate Experiment
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/23561441/federal-reserve-jerome-powell-climate-change-citigroup-jpmorgan

The US Federal Reserve is running its very first climate change experiment.



The central bank this month announced details about how it will conduct a “pilot climate scenario analysis exercise” involving the six largest US banks: Bank of America, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, and Wells Fargo.

The Fed basically wants major banks to game out how they’ll handle climate change-related shocks. For example, what would happen to their real estate holdings in the northeastern United States under a future hurricane when sea levels are higher? These scenarios are grouped together in the exercise as “physical risks.”

https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/other20230117a.htm

Then there are “transition risks”: How will financial institutions cope with a wholesale shift away from fossil fuels toward cleaner energy? What will happen to their investments in coal mines or gas plants? How will loans fare when customers turn away from businesses with a large impact on the climate?

These are immensely consequential questions, not just for the banks, but for everyone. How banks manage, or fail to manage, climate risks will affect things like home loans, business lending, retirement accounts, and insurance — things that will touch every sector of the economy. The Fed has set a deadline to receive these reports from banks by the beginning of August.

In 2022, the US suffered 18 disasters where losses exceeded $1 billion.

The Fed is careful to note that its climate scenario analysis is different from a stress test. In Fed-speak, a stress test measures whether a bank has enough money to meet its obligations during difficult economic times. The Fed can then use the results to set new rules or adjust its policies.

The climate scenario analysis, by contrast, is more of a storytelling exercise. One pathway imagines a world in which there are basically no new climate policies between now and 2050, allowing current economic trends to continue. The other chalks out a pathway to net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by the middle of the century. The Fed is building on climate models developed by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and financial models from the Network of Central Banks and Supervisors for Greening the Financial System (NGFS).

In both of these worlds, banks will then have to figure out how their loan portfolios would respond to the aforementioned physical and transitional risks.

This is a new type of analysis for the Fed, and it’s one of the most complicated: Take all the complexity of sea level rise, melting ice, feedback scenarios, and extreme weather and marry that to the intricacies of the business cycles, consumer confidence, real estate trends, and innovation. From there, figure out whether your bank will have enough money to cover its losses and lend to customers whether the world does or doesn’t get its act together on climate change.

“This is a pilot program so learning is really the purpose of the program,” said Jiro Yoshida, a professor of business at Pennsylvania State University, who studies macroeconomics, risk, and climate change.

... 40 years too late
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #758 on: January 25, 2023, 05:10:23 PM »
It was Mann who started to teach scientists how to talk to the media.  "Turn that around and it is almost certainly not".  When Scientists were asked about whether any one specific event was driven by climate change.  The answer was to turn it around and ask if it would have happened without climate change.

This is a similar thing with actions we recommend.  Don't move the discussion and the action into the political theatre.  Always keep it in the science theatre.  Because moving it to politics just dumps you in the middle of quicksand and puts a ton weight on your shoulders.

If you are talking about science then keeping the talk on science seems sensible.

However, if you are talking about "actions we recommend" haven't you already slipped into politics?

How do you make any progress on what to do without engaging in politics?


How do you make any progress on what to do without engaging in politics?

You prove the point beyond an unreasonable doubt then you get the people to tell the politicians what to do.

If you merge climate and tax you have already lost the battle with 50% of the people.

Does that just leave you with no regret policies like BEV because they have cheaper total cost of ownership than ICE and renewables because they are cheaper than ff?

But what if you think we need to move faster than this, how do you get the extra speed?

Yes, merging climate and tax will lose a lot of people. Probably more than if you were talking subsidies and incentives but you still lose a lot of people talking subsidies and incentives.

While renewables were expensive it was necessary to have subsidies to encourage people to switch to renewables. If they are now cheaper, people will do it anyway so a subsidy seems like a waste of government funds as the people looking into it may well do it anyway.

Should we just give up and rely on unfettered economics to cause the transitions needed to happen? Or should we look to other ways to encourage transition faster? Can old polluting ff production be encouraged to close earlier driving more demand for renewables?

More demand improves scale and has led to lower costs which hasn't completely disappeared yet. Some such subsidies, although they do drive higher taxes to pay for the incentives should be worth it.

Is that such a hard case to make that we should give up trying?

I doubt you meant give up trying in the way suggested above.

Re "You prove the point beyond an unreasonable doubt"
Really?
To sensible people it has been proved beyond reasonable doubt. The people that want it proved beyond an unreasonable doubt are just wanting to waste your time trying to argue which only creates impression that argument is still ongoing. Isn't it better to spend time pressuring politicians that seem sensible and accepting that it is proved beyond reasonable doubt that more actions are appropriate. This is obviously deep into politics and not keeping it on the science.

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #759 on: January 25, 2023, 06:51:23 PM »
Can old polluting ff production be encouraged to close earlier driving more demand for renewables?

Regulation actually achieves more than subsidies but subsidies are required to get the initial infrastructure off the ground.

It is impossible to regulate that nobody can buy a FF vehicle if they cannot buy anything other than a FF vehicle.  So subsidies build the ability and then regulation drives the demand to grow the non FF vehicle production.

This works.  It is not direct taxation and there are so many other benefits to not having FF producing vehicles that it is relatively easy to regulate.

Equally for wind and solar, subsidies do help to build out the infrastructure.  However when governments are looking for money they will look to cut the subsidies before raising taxes.

Mandating the phase out of Coal has been constructive in the UK.  Money which would have been chasing new coal plants moved to both gas and renewables.  Regulation which has a beneficial effect.  No need to tax the carbon, just say they can't do it.  Then support the renewables to the point that gas becomes non viable as a cost option.

The UK has also regulated about buying a new house with a gas boiler.  Not happening after 2025.  After 2030 it is likely that you won't be able to replace a gas boiler either.  More regulation, more guaranteed removal of FF emissions by the removal of gas CH and cooking.

Tax not at issue.  Fortunately for the UK, the Ukraine war made people aware that gas won't be cheap forever.  Some people who would never have considered a heat pump looked at the options and were surprised at how efficient and cheap they were to run.

No tax levy required.

Yes there is some grumbling in the UK, but when the next government comes in (likely Labour), and they also continue with this, then the people will realise that it doesn't matter who they vote for they're going to get it anyway.  Then they just get on with it.

This approach is a blend of subsidies, market forces and strong regulation.

It works.
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #760 on: January 25, 2023, 10:20:24 PM »
I signed the cease and desist letter to Fossil Fuel CEOs.

Has anybody else on ASIF done the same?

Link is https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/davos_2023_loc/

I am surprised that the number of people signing doesn't go faster up.

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #761 on: January 26, 2023, 08:21:26 PM »
I signed the cease and desist letter to Fossil Fuel CEOs.

Has anybody else on ASIF done the same?

Link is https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/davos_2023_loc/

I am surprised that the number of people signing doesn't go faster up.
Probably because we all know that this petition won't make any difference....
But we sign anyway, because we care, we know it's important.

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #762 on: February 18, 2023, 03:49:56 PM »
A new kind of bond is enlisting Americans in the fight against climate change
Like war bonds during WWI and WWII, Green Liberty Bonds are easy to buy and divvied up in small amounts.
February 14, 2023 at 6:30 a.m. EST
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Last month, I bought my first Green Liberty Bond.

Modeled on the war bonds that raised billions of dollars to fight World War II, my Green Liberty Bond aims to win the fight against climate change — at least in Connecticut.

I invested a modest $280 with the Connecticut Green Bank. My money will be rolled into a much larger fund started by the state to reduce the risks for banks providing rooftop solar loans to homes and small businesses.

Those thousands of new small solar energy systems generate renewable energy credits, which Connecticut utilities purchase to meet clean energy mandates. The Connecticut Green Bank then uses this revenue stream to issue even more Green Liberty Bonds.

In the end, a small pool of public money turns into a much bigger pool of private funds. Then the process begins again. A year from now, I expect to get my money back, plus 5.25 percent.

The goal, says Bryan Garcia, CEO of Connecticut Green Bank, is to enable ordinary citizens to join the fight against climate change, like the war effort of the 1940s. At the time, the government raised money by issuing war bonds. Small towns held rallies and roadside sales. Hollywood stars like Bette Davis and Rita Hayworth promoted them. Norman Rockwell and his “Four Freedoms” paintings made a 16-city drive to sell them. The gusher of cash funded everything from bombers to bullets.

The Connecticut Green Bank hopes its product, the Green Liberty Bond, becomes a financial concept adopted by institutions across the country. Like war bonds back then, they are designed for ordinary citizens. They’re easy to buy without a middleman and divvied up in small amounts.

They have competition. There’s no shortage of ostensibly climate-friendly funds to choose from. Climate index funds, and even green bond mutual funds are now on the market from established financial institutions such as Fidelity, Calvert and Pimco. But generally, the holdings are heavily weighted toward large corporations and governments. Figuring out exactly what’s in them and how the funds will be used is difficult for most investors.

In contrast, products like the Green Liberty Bond are designed to direct funds into a community with clear insight into the projects it supports. The rates are reasonable, with even above-average returns sometimes, and government backing can lower the risk. It’s a novel approach that, if replicated, could enlist millions of small investors to help achieve the nation’s renewable energy goals, advocates say. …
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/02/14/green-bonds-solar-panels-climate-change/
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #763 on: February 19, 2023, 05:21:48 PM »
“Off-shoring” takes a hit in recent U.S. legislation.  The change will reduce emissions from shipping, and make the U.S. more responsible for the pollution of the products it uses.  New manufacturing plants will likely be cleaner and use more sustainable energy than old plants.  But what of all the foreign economies that will lose business as the U.S. returns to domestic manufacturing?

Biden’s ‘Buy America’ bid runs into manufacturing woes it aims to fix
Infrastructure officials complain they can’t find U.S. suppliers for items they need to buy American by law
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The “Buy America” initiative that President Biden says will promote domestic manufacturing and fuel a blue-collar renaissance is running into a problem: The United States no longer produces many of the items needed to modernize roads, bridges and ports.

The $1 trillion infrastructure legislation that the president signed in late 2021, however, insists that U.S. materials be used.

This awkward dynamic spilled into public view this month, when the U.S. Department of Transportation denied a request by the nation’s ports to use federal infrastructure funds to purchase imported dock cranes, trucks, boat lifts and similar equipment, after industry officials argued that no domestic manufacturers exist for them. In particular, while some smaller cargo-handling units are made in the United States, all of the electric models that support the administration’s climate goals are made overseas, according to the American Association of Port Authorities.

The infrastructure legislation includes broader requirements for the use of American-made construction materials, including copper, drywall and fiber optic cables, in federally funded projects. The administration this month issued new guidance for determining whether substances and manufactured products used on such projects qualify as “made-in-the-USA” and solicited public comments about numerous specifics.

With the approach of the spring construction season, Biden’s push to boost domestic production is clashing with the reality that some materials are not available from U.S. sources in the amount or time required, according to groups representing the agencies that manage projects and the industries that build them.

Among the looming headaches: State and local transportation officials fear they will be unable to obtain adequate supplies of the reflective glass beads used to make safety striping for highway pavement. And materials for high-speed rail systems are almost entirely made in Japan or Europe, according to the summary of meetings last year between top DOT officials and industry representatives.

Government preferences for domestic goods enjoy wide support from politicians in both parties, despite evidence that such measures often mean added costs and project delays. The administration’s determination to increase domestic production now is colliding with the industrial legacy of decades of trade liberalization, which facilitated the relocation of factories to lower-cost locales.

The consequences of more than three decades of offshoring can be seen in U.S. government statistics. Outside of the computer industry, inflation-adjusted manufacturing output has essentially flatlined since 2007, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

As a share of the economy, the U.S. trade deficit in manufactured goods last year reached an all-time high of 4.7 percent. American companies bought $1.2 trillion more in manufactured goods than they sold to foreign customers, according to an analysis of U.S. government data by economist Rob Scott, a research associate at the Economic Policy Institute, a left-leaning nonprofit organization.

In August, Corning announced plans to build a new facility in Gilbert, Ariz., to manufacture optical cable, designed to capitalize on the administration’s plans to spend $45 billion of infrastructure cash on broadband internet networks. Corning said it expects to employ about 250 workers at the new site, which is scheduled to open next year.

Some supporters of the domestic content push, seeing this as evidence that the policies are working, have little patience for industry warnings of looming cost increases and project delays.

“A lot of the complaints about this from state and local officials and contractors — they act way too much like helpless children. It’s annoying and frustrating,” said Scott Paul, president of the Alliance for American Manufacturing, a nonprofit organization backed by the steel industry and steelworkers’ union.

Still, Buy America requirements have often delayed transportation projects, according to a 2019 Congressional Research Service report.

Government efforts to favor domestic producers typically save a limited number of jobs in protected industries, although they do nothing to increase the economy’s total number of jobs. But each position costs taxpayers more than $250,000 to preserve, according to a 2020 study by economists Gary Hufbauer and Euijin Jung of the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

The Biden administration believes such arguments ignore the lessons of the pandemic, when a dependence upon global supply chains repeatedly left Americans short of goods ranging from toilet paper to medicines, according to senior administration officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the program.

Promoting greater domestic production will make supply chains for critical goods such as personal protective equipment, semiconductors and clean energy products less vulnerable to interruption, the officials said. And contrary to industry warnings of higher costs, they insist that the development of new domestic supply links will bring costs down through additional competition.

Biden’s efforts have a long lineage. In 1933, Herbert Hoover signed into law the first “Buy American Act” on his last full day as president. The Depression-era legislation required the government to give preference to domestic products and construction materials. A similar provision was included in the 2009 Obama administration’s stimulus program. One day before leaving office in 2021, President Donald Trump approved regulations increasing the share of a good’s components that must be produced domestically to qualify as U.S.-made.

Biden last year further increased the threshold. Previously, an item whose components were at least 55 percent American-made qualified as domestic. The new regulation lifted that to 60 percent this year, with an ultimate target of 75 percent in 2029.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2023/02/18/biden-buy-america-roads-bridges/
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #764 on: December 11, 2023, 01:27:03 PM »
Pretty good report on the IRA and it's impact.

90% of the world is religious, but somehow "love thy neighbour" became "fuck thy neighbours", if they don't agree with your point of view.

WTF happened?

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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #765 on: February 05, 2024, 07:29:34 PM »
The far right abandoning climate denial to gain support for its extreme agenda?
Not a pretty sight.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/netherlands-climate-denial-right-wing-leader_n_65b183cde4b04d89950fbc55
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This Far-Right Leader Seems Poised To Abandon Climate Denial — In Order To Push His Extreme Agenda

Anti-Islam populist Geert Wilders is scrambling to moderate his stances, and climate denial could be at the top of the list.


Geert Wilders, the anti-Islam populist who won the Dutch election in November, is best known for attacking the Muslims who comprise just over 5% of the Netherlands’ population as human “scum” whose “backward religion” amounts to a “retarded culture” based on the teachings of a “pedophile” prophet. Voters rewarded his pledges to outlaw mosques and end immigration to Europe’s sixth-largest economy by electing his party to the largest bloc in Parliament.

In its 46-page election manifesto, his far-right Freedom Party promised to stop “wasting billions on useless climate hobbies” and send “all” the “climate measures” to curb planet-heating emissions in the flood-prone nation “straight into the shredder.”

But as Wilders scrambles to moderate his stances in hopes of forming a coalition with enough center-right parties to net the votes needed to actually govern, the likely next prime minister of the Netherlands will need to quit denying the reality of climate change. If he can pull it off, he would become the first far-right leader to take power there since the end of World War II.

Tom Middendorp, the Netherlands’ former defense chief, thinks he’s the right man to persuade Wilders to begin taking planet-heating emissions seriously. And he may just start with what he saw last week on a trip to Iraq.

The retired Royal Netherlands Army general traveled across the Middle Eastern nation, where the Dutch military recently deployed more troops to help the NATO mission fighting terrorist groups like the so-called Islamic State, and saw a powder keg forming. Drought and war had driven thousands of farmers from their land and into cities like Mosul, where water was growing scarce and unrest was worsening.

“Desperate people who don’t know how to sustain their families don’t have many choices,” Middendorp told HuffPost in a wide-ranging interview by phone Tuesday morning, just days after he returned home and a month after he published the English version of his new book on the security threats global warming poses, “The Climate General.”

“One choice is you turn to criminality, which is now flourishing. Another choice is you join an extremist party, for which these fragile areas where droughts are becoming more severe are breeding grounds,” he said. “The other choice is you migrate to better areas.”

The United Nations counts nearly 110 million people worldwide displaced from their homes due to conflict or disaster, including 30 million refugees and more than 5 million asylum-seekers. Of the nearly 4 million immigrants to the European Union last year, 264,000 qualified as “irregular entries” who arrived at the 27-nation bloc’s borders by land or boat. While that number represents less than 7% of total migrant flows to the continent, it’s a nearly 40% spike from 2022.

By 2050, the World Bank estimates at least 216 million people will be forced to flee their homes as climate change renders once-fertile lands in Africa, Asia and Latin America inhospitable.

“Those are enormous numbers,” Middendorp said. “They won’t all come to Europe or the Netherlands. But whatever it will be, it’ll be much more than we’re facing now.”

It’s a sign, he said, of how global warming “aggravates the problems we’re already facing.”

“That should be a reason Wilders should take climate change more seriously,” Middendorp said.

Far-right leaders on both sides of the Atlantic have long railed against climate change as ploy by left-wing treehuggers to force unpopular restrictions on consumers in the rich capital countries as a sort of collective punishment for the centuries of burning fossil fuels that added most of the greenhouse gas to the cumulative carbon mess in the atmosphere.

Like former U.S. President Donald Trump, the hardliners leading right-wing parties in Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom have for years downplayed or rejected the need to transition to energy systems that don’t generate large volumes of heat-trapping pollution as a byproduct.

But French far-right leader Marine Le Pen responded to a wave of Green Party victories in the 2019 European parliament elections by promising to remake Europe into “the world’s first ecological civilization,” insisting in an allusion to Nazi blood-and-soil rhetoric that “nomadic” people “do not care about the environment” as “they have no homeland.”

A month later, the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany’s Berlin youth wing called on the far-right party’s leaders to quit denying climate change.

The following year, in a sign of thawing between the traditionally left-leaning environmentalists and the far right, Austria’s Greens joined a coalition government with an anti-immigrant party.

While Republicans in the U.S. are campaigning on repealing the clean-energy subsidies President Joe Biden enacted, the Trump-aligned former attorney general of Arizona sued the Biden administration in 2021 on the grounds that failing to enact draconian border security harmed the environment by bringing in immigrants prone to polluting. The influential right-wing broadcaster Tucker Carlson has aired segments accusing immigrants of “dirtying” the U.S. with litter.

If Trump wins the White House again this November, Middendorp said, keeping the incoming Dutch government’s climate goals on track may not be the biggest problem for Europe’s emissions.

“If there’s a big player like the U.S. saying, ‘We don’t want any agreement on climate change anymore,’ it’ll be very hard to come to global solutions,” he said. “It will really slow down the whole process.”

But the Netherlands forged much of its country by engineering waterways and dykes to remake previously underwater areas into farmland.
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« Reply #766 on: February 06, 2024, 03:29:54 PM »
The Guardian seems to believe that another Trump Presidency will be far more organised to dismantle Biden's legacy, jumpstart new fossil fuel production, sideline scientists and ...........

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‘In a word, horrific’: Trump’s extreme anti-environment blueprint

Allies and advisers have hinted at a more methodical second term: driving forward fossil fuel production, sidelining scientists and overturning rules

The United States’s first major climate legislation dismantled, a crackdown on government scientists, a frenzy of oil and gas drilling, the Paris climate deal not only dead but buried.

A blueprint is emerging for a second Donald Trump term that is even more extreme for the environment than his first, according to interviews with multiple Trump allies and advisers.

In contrast to a sometimes chaotic first White House term, they outlined a far more methodical second presidency: driving forward fossil fuel production, sidelining mainstream climate scientists and overturning rules that curb planet-heating emissions.

“Trump will undo everything [Joe] Biden has done, he will move more quickly and go further than he did before,” said Myron Ebell, who headed the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) transition team for Trump’s first term. “He will act much more expeditiously to impose his agenda.”

The prized target for Trump’s Republican allies, should the former president defeat Joe Biden in November’s election, will be the Inflation Reduction Act, the landmark $370bn bill laden with support for clean energy projects and electric vehicles. Ebell said the legislation, signed by Biden in 2022 with no Republican votes, was “the biggest defeat we’ve suffered”.

Carla Sands, a key environment adviser to the pro-Trump America First Policy Institute who has criticized Biden’s “apocalyptic green fantasies”, said: “Our nation needs a level regulatory playing field for all forms of energy to compete. Achieving this level playing field will require the repeal of the energy and environment provisions within the Inflation Reduction Act.”

The GOP-controlled House of Representatives has already pushed bills to gut the act. But fully repealing the IRA, which has disproportionally brought popular funding and jobs in solar, wind and battery manufacturing to Republican districts, may be politically difficult for Trump even if his party gains full control of Congress.

However, Trump could still slow down the progress of the clean energy transition as president by redrawing the rules for the IRA’s generous tax credits.

He would, his allies say, also scrap government considerations of the damage caused by carbon emissions; compel a diminished EPA to squash pollution rules for cars, trucks and power plants; and symbolically nullify the Paris climate agreement by not only withdrawing the US again but sending it to the Senate for ratification as a treaty, knowing it would fail.

“The Paris climate accord does nothing to actually improve the environment here in the United States or globally,” said Mandy Gunasekara, Trump’s former EPA chief of staff. She argued that the agreement puts too little pressure on China, India and other developing countries to reduce their emissions.

In recent rallies, Trump, the likely Republican nominee, has called renewable energy “a scam business” and vowed to “drill, baby, drill”. On his first day in office, Trump has said he would repeal “crooked Joe Biden’s insane electric vehicle mandate” and approve a glut of new gas export terminals currently paused by Biden.

Areas currently off-limits for drilling, such the Arctic, will also probably be opened up to industry by Trump. “I will end his war on American energy,” Trump has said of the incumbent president, even though in reality the US hit record levels of oil and gas production last year.

“I expect the Republicans will put together their own very aggressive reconciliation bill to claw back the subsidies in the IRA,” said Tom Pyle, president of the free market American Energy Alliance and previous head of the US Department of Energy’s transition team under Trump.

“The president will benefit from having the experience of being in office before, he’ll get a faster head start on his agenda. He won’t be encumbered by the need to be re-elected, so there will be a short window of time but he may be more aggressive as a result.”

‘There is no logic to it’
Critics of Trump, who are already fretting over his potential return to the White House, warn this agenda will stymie clean energy investment, place Americans’ health at the mercy of polluters, badly damage the effort to address the climate crisis and alienate America’s allies.

“A return of Trump would be, in a word, horrific,” said Andrew Rosenberg, a former National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration official, now fellow at the University of New Hampshire.

“It would also be incredibly stupid. It would roll back progress made over decades to protect public health and safety, there is no logic to it other than to destroy everything. People who support him may not realize it’s their lives at stake, too.”

A second Trump term would be more ideologically extreme than the first, with fewer restraints, Rosenberg claimed. “There were people part of a reasonable mainstream in his first term who buffered against his craziest instincts – they won’t be there any more,” he said.

Should Trump manage to repeal the IRA and water down or scrap EPA pollution rules, there would be severe consequences for a world that is struggling to contain an escalating climate crisis, experts say.

The US, the world’s second biggest carbon polluter, would still see its emissions drop under Trump due to previous policies and a market-led shift away from coal to gas as an energy source, but at only half the rate of a second Biden term, according to an analysis by Energy Innovation shared with the Guardian.

This would deal a mortal blow to the global effort to restrain dangerous global heating, with scientists warning that the world needs to cut greenhouse gas emissions by nearly half this decade, and eliminate them entirely by 2050, to avoid breaching agreed temperature limits and plunge billions of people into worsening heatwaves, floods and droughts.

“I don’t think Donald Trump would actually be able to replace the IRA, but you couldn’t rule it out,” said Anand Gopal, executive director at Energy Innovation.

“If he did, the global effect would be potentially disastrous. It would encourage everyone else to go backwards or slow down their climate pledges and put the world way off track to where it needs to be. It could prove the difference between staying under 1.5C warming or not.”

Much will hinge upon any new Trump administration’s ability to better navigate arcane regulatory procedures and the courts. His previous term saw an enormous number of legal defeats for his hurried attempts at environmental rollbacks, as well as the departure of scandal-plagued cabinet members overseeing this effort.

“You can’t just snap your fingers,” said Jeff Navin, a former chief of staff at the US Department of Energy. “You need to spend a lot of time redoing regulations. Is that something Trump really wants to do rather than just pursue other grievances? I don’t think so.”

But some conservatives believe Trump will prove more successful second time around, pointing to an amenably conservative supreme court and more detailed planning ahead of the election, such as the Project 2025 document put out by the rightwing Heritage Foundation, which details severe cuts to the EPA and Department of the Interior, as well as a greater politicization of the civil service to push through Trumpian goals.

“We are writing a battle plan, and we are marshaling our forces,” Paul Dans, director of Project 2025, told E&E News last year. “Never before has the whole conservative movement banded together to systematically prepare to take power day one and deconstruct the administrative state.”

Jeff Holmstead, who ran the EPA’s air office during George W Bush’s administration, said Trump’s administration would be “much more prepared” for a second term.

“They know what they need to do to undo rules in a in a legally defensible way,” he said. A new Trump administration would take a more “surgical approach” to deregulation, he said, taking more of its cues from industry.

Under Biden, Gunasekara said, there has been an “unnecessary tension” between the oil sector and regulators.

“You have to work with the industry players,” she said. “Agencies should not be about suppressing or boosting particular technologies.”

Early on, Trump officials will probably work with Congress to kill certain rules through a parliamentary procedure called the Congressional Review Act. The Clinton-era statute empowers Congress and the president to work together to overturn major federal regulations within 60 legislative days of finalization, by passing a joint resolution of disapproval signed by the president.

“Generally in the past, anything that is finalized after mid- to late May is likely to be within that window,” said Holmstead. “So speed is of the essence for the Biden administration.”

A fresh Trump term could engulf federal climate scientists, too, who were ignored but largely allowed to issue their work during Trump’s last term. A new Trump White House could intervene more to alter climate reports, or even stage a previously mooted public debate on the merits of climate science.

“I expect that idea will be revived and I think we would get a much wider view of climate science that wouldn’t be controlled by a small cabal,” said Ebell. “That will start very quickly.”

Trump’s plans come as Biden has struggled to inspire younger, climate-conscious voters who have been angered by his ongoing leasing of public lands and waters to the fossil fuel industry, such as the controversial Willow oil project in Alaska.

Biden has overseen a boom in liquified natural gas exports that he has belatedly attempted to restrain and his administration has floundered in its attempts to sell the IRA to the American public, with most voters unaware of the climate legislation or its significance in driving down emissions.

Still, the president’s position on climate change is incomparable to Trump’s, according to Rosenberg. “The contrast is incredibly stark between Biden and Trump,” he said. “Do I think Biden is the best of the best? Of course not. But compared to Trump? That’s just scary.

“Anyone who cares about public health, the environment, science, international relations, you could go on, should be scared about another Trump presidency.”
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« Reply #767 on: February 06, 2024, 08:07:40 PM »
It´s not certain Wilders will get to rule. Four parties are talking so his fake party and the BBB which is the farmers party. Also in the talks are the VVD and NSC which has a very different view on these things. Only the VVD has any experience. The PVV is mostly a shout things party and the other two are brand new. There have been groans about the lack of any economic knowledge at the BBB.

We are also tied up in treaties and EU laws. We will see.
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« Reply #768 on: February 07, 2024, 01:02:51 AM »
The Guardian seems to believe that another Trump Presidency will be far more organised to dismantle Biden's legacy, jumpstart new fossil fuel production, sideline scientists and ...........

We may have progressed beyond even a President’s whims.
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< If you intend to vote for Trump, be aware that you are voting for a person who is against BEVs and supports the fossil fuel industry.
You may not want to hear it, but Trump has stated it loud and clear in several interviews, so make yourself aware.

Elon Musk
That part is not awesome, but it doesn’t matter. Electric vehicles are inevitable.
2/3/24, https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1753857602981634321
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #769 on: February 07, 2024, 10:01:40 AM »
Nate is joined by biophysical analyst Mario Giampietro to unpack his decades of research on a wide-lens view of the challenges facing the human system. With current metrics that only optimize for one variable, increasingly reductionist academic fields, and scientific communication consistently falling short, researchers who look at how all the pieces of our predicament fit together and most effectively help others understand will become more essential.

In this scientific reductionism section Mario talks about grants from the EU to advise them on if they have the "narratives" right for addressing climate change solutions. The politicians govt experts  know they don't know what to do, and the expert scientists and academics around the world like Mario know they don't know, and they themselves know they cannot tell them they don't know!

The writing is on the wall.

A very curious insightful few minutes in this discussion with an eminent retiring professor.
@ 32 mins

Mario Giampietro: "Models with Meaning - Changing Social Practices”
https://youtu.be/HFZ3NPPPPS0?si=ZFS-cJCXE-bMsvHt&t=1960

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« Reply #770 on: February 07, 2024, 02:57:32 PM »
The Guardian seems to believe that another Trump Presidency will be far more organised to dismantle Biden's legacy, jumpstart new fossil fuel production, sideline scientists and ...........

We may have progressed beyond even a President’s whims.
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< If you intend to vote for Trump, be aware that you are voting for a person who is against BEVs and supports the fossil fuel industry.
You may not want to hear it, but Trump has stated it loud and clear in several interviews, so make yourself aware.

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There is no doubt that a Trump Presidency will reduce the pace of US energy transition by promoting fossil fuel investments, reducing or eliminating subsidies for investments in renewable energy and EVs in Biden's IRA. He is likely to give the fossil fuel industry carte blanche to drill just about anywhere in the USA.

He would also be likely to torpedo the COP process, and perhaps many other multi-national institutions and give encouragement to the global fossil industry to drill,baby, drill.

Given that delay in cutting CO2 and other greenhouse emissions inevitably means AGW increases will be higher and the chances of crossing tipping points therefore increase, one should not understimate the impact of a well-organised Trump Presidency.

If he wins, maybe the time on Doomsday Clock will have to be moved even closer to midnight than its current reading of 90 seconds to midnight.

In plainer words, I think he and his acolytes are going to trash the joint.
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« Reply #771 on: February 07, 2024, 04:02:37 PM »
In plainer words, I think he and his acolytes are going to trash the joint.

They will surely try.  But economics and simple logic are already making fossil fuels obsolete.
 
In the USA power companies are transitioning to renewables faster than required by State mandates because renewables are more profitable than fossil fuels.

https://www.dailycamera.com/2024/02/06/cu-boulder-finds-u-s-utilities-on-track-to-hit-100-renewable-energy-by-2060/
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #772 on: February 24, 2024, 03:54:16 AM »
Empty Institutions in Global Environmental Politics
R A D O S L AV S . D I M I T R O V
Western University
https://politicalscience.uwo.ca/people/faculty/full-time_faculty/Empty%20Institutions%20-%20ISR%20article.pdf

intro ........
On December 18, 2009, in a live broadcast from Denmark, United States Presi-
dent Barak Obama and other heads of state announced to the world that a United
Nations (UN) conference on climate change was a historic success. The main evi-
dence for their claim was the newly minted “Copenhagen Accord.” In reality, this
draft agreement was a nonbinding political declaration of two-and-a-half pages that
involved no policy obligations for any country. The accord was part of a premedi-
tated attempt to mask the failure of global climate negotiations over the previous
two years. One month before the conference and behind closed doors, key country
delegations had made the collective decision to abandon the ambition for a climate
change treaty and establish instead a vacuous nonbinding agreement that would
mislead the public into believing that the summit was productive. This stratagem
to greenwash the conference was planned in advance and enjoyed broad political
support by government delegations from many countries


2 Empty Institutions
Through participatory research, the study presented here documents efforts by
governments to create empty institutions that are deliberately designed to not de-
liver substantive policy. As a result, some multilateral agreements and permanent
organizations are ostensibly stripped of capacity for policy development or imple-
mentation. The mandate of the United Nations Forum on Forests effectively pro-
hibits it from formulating, implementing, or funding policy at either national or in-
ternational levels. The Commission on Sustainable Development existed for twenty
years as a permanent body without policy powers. Their policy impotence is a result
of neither faulty design nor inefficient implementation. The vacuity of such bodies
was a conscious choice by the governments who created them: the formal mandates
were carefully designed to preclude the institutions from producing policy output.


Empty institutions are defined as social arrangements that consist of relatively stable rules
and procedures that exclude regulatory policymaking or policy implementation.1 They in-
clude explicit and implicit rules and procedures, may or may not involve a perma-
nent bureaucratic apparatus, and entail an institutionalized process that includes
budgets for regular (international) meetings and domestic preparation to partici-
pate in them. The focus of this project is on no-policy agreements and organiza-
tions negotiated by state governments at the international level, without prejudice
to other types of institutional arrangements by state and nonstate actors that also
deserve academic investigation.

The existence of such entities creates a theoretical puzzle: why do governments
create empty institutions that could not deliver instead of no institutions at all? State
efforts to negotiate international policy agreements do not always succeed but we
would expect failure at regime formation to result in the absence of institutions.
Today there are no policy agreements on competition policy, coral reefs degrada-
tion, or the control of tactical nuclear weapons (Dimitrov et al. 2007); UN agencies
do not regulate biofuels production (Bastos Lima and Gupta 2013); and govern-
ments have discussed Arctic haze but never attempted to negotiate formal solutions
(Wilkening 2011). The failure of international negotiations on prominent prob-
lems is an interesting topic that is the subject of a small literature on nonregimes.

But why empty institutions instead of no institutions?
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #773 on: February 24, 2024, 07:42:07 PM »
To drive a narrative. To give legitimacy to that narrative. Kicking the can has been a global decision from back in the eighties.

Running much higher resolution models could probably easily have been done using the CERN backbone when it was not active.

And of course if we look at all these different possible temperatures should we not work out how bad they are? How bad is 1,5 vs 2,0C etc?
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Re: Money and Politics: The Drive for Climate Change Action
« Reply #774 on: February 26, 2024, 04:40:02 AM »
Quoting Sean AU: "But why empty institutions instead of no institutions?"

Governments, more particularly the people working for them, hate being constrained from or forced into action.
Empty institutions give the appearance of action without actually accomplishing anything.
Yes, they were designed that way by some very bright people.

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« Reply #775 on: March 04, 2024, 04:04:48 AM »
Please start jump to page 14 and go from there regarding climate change related issues, only a couple of pages.

Rasmussen Report
The first-ever survey research defining the characteristics and beliefs of an Elite 1% who are the root cause of political dysfunction in America today. 73% identify as Democrats.
https://www.rmgresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Elite-One-Percent.pdf
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« Reply #776 on: April 09, 2024, 06:31:10 PM »
ExxonMobil, Chevron et al will be sending the boys around to have a word with these people.

Note the absence of old men. That's because we're all dead or (going) gaga.

Money lost one, won two.

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In a landmark decision, the European court of human rights has ruled that weak government climate policies violate citizens' fundamental human rights, in a win for a group of Swiss female climate activists.

The court’s top bench ruled that Switzerland had violated the rights of a group of older Swiss women to family life, but threw out a French mayor’s case against France and that of a group of young Portuguese people against 32 European countries
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