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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #750 on: July 23, 2023, 06:47:09 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

July 22nd, 2023:
       7,390,148 km2, a drop of -91,250 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #751 on: July 23, 2023, 09:57:40 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  7,390,148 KM2 as at 22-Jul-2023

- Extent loss on this day 91k, 2 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 93k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 6,733 k, which is 406 k, 5.7% less than the 10 year average of 7,139 k.

- Extent is 12th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  24 k LESS than 2022,
- Extent is  505 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,274 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  645 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  262 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  348 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  240 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 72.5% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 54 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2023 of 4.69 million km2, 1.51 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 14th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #752 on: July 23, 2023, 07:45:27 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  5,081,275 KM2 as at 22-Jul-2023

- Area loss on this day 110k, 24 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 86k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 7,852 k, which is 60 k, 0.8% less than the 10 year average of 7,912 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  465 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  408 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  131 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  427 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  26 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 79.7% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 50 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2023 of 3.06 million km2, 0.81 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 8th lowest in the 45 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #753 on: July 23, 2023, 08:47:50 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average): Some more...

The High Arctic Seas sea ice area loss in total continues at a bit above average, while in the Peripheral Seas sea ice area loss stays slow.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #754 on: July 23, 2023, 09:12:23 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average): And more...

A closer look at each region in the High Arctic, going anticlockwise.

Chukchi - after a slow early season daily sea ice area losses are high but sea ice area still above the 2010's average.

Beaufort - sea ice area now well below the 2010's average

CAA - The GFS forecast is for high +ve temperature anomalies for the next week or longer. Will this accelerate sea ice area loss?
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #755 on: July 23, 2023, 09:29:18 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average): And more...

Kara - a slow melting season so far with sea ice area well above the 2010's average

Laptev - as for the Kara, a slow melting season so far with sea ice area well above the 2010's average

ESS - Impressive sea ice area losses leave sea ice area currently 6th lowest in the satellite record.

and to finish
- the Central Arctic Region (NSIDC definition). Sea ice area is very close to the 2010's average and is 8th lowest in the satellite record.

With on average nearly 80% of sea ice area losses from max to min completed, the prospects for either a very low or a very high High Arctic minimum diminish every day.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #756 on: July 24, 2023, 05:44:16 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

July 23rd, 2023:
       7,333,909 km2, a drop of -56,239 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
« Last Edit: July 24, 2023, 05:51:38 AM by Juan C. García »
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #757 on: July 24, 2023, 07:03:49 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  7,333,909 KM2 as at 23-Jul-2023

- Extent loss on this day 56k, 17 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 73k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 6,790 k, which is 422 k, 5.9% less than the 10 year average of 7,212 k.

- Extent is 13th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  35 k MORE than 2022,
- Extent is  520 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,287 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  668 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  266 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  395 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  258 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 73.3% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 53 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2023 of 4.70 million km2, 1.52 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 14th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #758 on: July 24, 2023, 01:21:18 PM »
Looking at Aluminum’s animation I was expecting century breaks. That extent is 13th is frankly surprising.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #759 on: July 24, 2023, 01:39:24 PM »
Concentration must be getting very low given position difference between extent and area?

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #760 on: July 24, 2023, 02:07:27 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,986,040 KM2 as at 23-Jul-2023

- Area loss on this day 95k, 22 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 73k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 7,947 k, which is 37 k, 0.5% less than the 10 year average of 7,984 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  505 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  398 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  94 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  388 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  40 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 80.4% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 49 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2023 of 3.04 million km2, 0.79 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 7th lowest in the 45 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #761 on: July 24, 2023, 02:43:12 PM »
Concentration must be getting very low given position difference between extent and area?
Low but not that low for the Arctic as a whole and the High Arctic.
Above 2010's average in the Peripheral Seas where sea ice area losses are slow.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #762 on: July 24, 2023, 08:33:40 PM »
NSIDC Sea Ice Area losses from July 1 - July 22 "relative area wise", sorted as percentages.
A slight increase (due to import from CAB)
BAR     + 5%
The laggard is
CAB    -14%
relatively slow melting in
CAA    -23%
GRØ    -24%
medium melt rates in
BEAU  -42%
LAP     -43%
fast (and almost identical) melting in
ESS     -51%
KAR     -51%
CHUK  -52%
HUD    -53%
The leader is
BAF     -63%
Seas not mentioned here are (almost) ice-free.
Daily losses of more than 10% have not been observed so far (see gero's fantastic tables)
It is too late just to be concerned about Climate Change

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #763 on: July 25, 2023, 06:08:30 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

July 24th, 2023:
       7,255,180 km2, a drop of -78,729 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #764 on: July 25, 2023, 07:20:13 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  7,255,180 KM2 as at 24-Jul-2023

- Extent loss on this day 79k, 9 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 70k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 6,868 k, which is 414 k, 5.7% less than the 10 year average of 7,283 k.

- Extent is 14th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  61 k MORE than 2022,
- Extent is  515 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,213 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  638 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  265 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  545 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  272 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 74.0% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 52 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2023 of 4.69 million km2, 1.52 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 14th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #765 on: July 25, 2023, 05:16:43 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,892,476 KM2 as at 24-Jul-2023

- Area loss on this day 94k, 24 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 70k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 8,041 k, which is 13 k, 0.2% less than the 10 year average of 8,054 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  565 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  387 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  72 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  357 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  53 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 81.1% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 48 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2023 of 3.01 million km2, 0.77 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 6th lowest in the 45 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #766 on: July 25, 2023, 05:22:04 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average): more

High Arctic sea ice area losses continue above average, sea ice area currently 5th lowest.
Peripheral Seas sea ice area losses continue slow, sea ice area currently 17th lowest.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #767 on: July 25, 2023, 05:35:15 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average): more

In the High Arctic the contrast between low sea ice extent losses and high sea ice area losses continues and is shown in sea ice concentration, which is now 2nd lowest in the satellite record.

At the moment it is the ESS (4th lowest area), Chukchi (6th lowest area) & Beaufort  (5th lowest area) regions that are showing the most impressive daily sea ice area losses.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #768 on: July 26, 2023, 02:42:14 AM »

Its a strange disconnect between area and extent - is concentration particularly low?

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #769 on: July 26, 2023, 05:31:36 AM »
is concentration particularly low?
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average): more

In the High Arctic the contrast between low sea ice extent losses and high sea ice area losses continues and is shown in sea ice concentration, which is now 2nd lowest in the satellite record.


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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #770 on: July 26, 2023, 05:38:09 AM »

Its a strange disconnect between area and extent - is concentration particularly low?
It is also strange to be above average for the peripheral seas, and under average for the central seas.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #771 on: July 26, 2023, 06:00:21 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

July 25th, 2023:
       7,198,894 km2, a drop of -56,286 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #772 on: July 26, 2023, 07:38:43 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  7,198,894 KM2 as at 25-Jul-2023

- Extent loss on this day 56k, 20 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 76k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 6,925 k, which is 433 k, 5.9% less than the 10 year average of 7,358 k.

- Extent is 14th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  92 k MORE than 2022,
- Extent is  544 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,204 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  690 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  287 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  582 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  291 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 74.7% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 51 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2023 of 4.71 million km2, 1.54 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 14th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #773 on: July 26, 2023, 09:37:44 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,818,848 KM2 as at 25-Jul-2023

- Area loss on this day 74k, 12 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 62k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 8,114 k, which is 2 k, 0.0% less than the 10 year average of 8,116 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  595 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  397 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  67 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  327 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  59 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 81.7% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 47 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2023 of 3.00 million km2, 0.75 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 6th lowest in the 45 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #774 on: July 27, 2023, 05:45:20 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

July 26th, 2023:
       7,153,801 km2, a drop of -45,093 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #775 on: July 27, 2023, 06:24:31 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  7,153,801 KM2 as at 26-Jul-2023

- Extent loss on this day 45k, 34 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 79k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 6,970 k, which is 467 k, 6.3% less than the 10 year average of 7,437 k.

- Extent is 14th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  171 k MORE than 2022,
- Extent is  576 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,191 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  769 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  321 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  642 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  324 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 75.5% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 50 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2023 of 4.75 million km2, 1.57 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 14th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #776 on: July 27, 2023, 06:43:33 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,756,764 KM2 as at 26-Jul-2023

- Area loss on this day 62k, 9 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 53k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 8,177 k, which is 8 k, 0.1% more than the 10 year average of 8,169 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  611 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  435 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  58 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  306 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  68 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 82.2% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 46 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2023 of 2.99 million km2, 0.74 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 6th lowest in the 45 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #777 on: July 27, 2023, 06:48:29 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):

The High Arctic regions continue above average daily sea ice area losses, apart from the Kara & Laptev, and are in excess of extent losses leading to lower concentration.

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« Reply #778 on: July 27, 2023, 06:50:30 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):

CAA, Beaufort, Chukchi & ESS graphs attached.
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« Reply #779 on: July 27, 2023, 06:53:07 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):

In the Peripheral  regions, daily sea ice area & extent losses remin low, with extent losses even lower than area losses leading to lower sea ice concentration.
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« Reply #780 on: July 28, 2023, 12:11:10 AM »
Thanks Gero and Juan for the continuous flow of data. Gratitude from us mostly silent lurkers.

Looks like we are hitting that pivotal make or break point of the season when the central arctic sea follows the area loss pattern of the big loss years or not. If the drop continues, could be an interesting end to the season. Time and the weather of course will tell.

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« Reply #781 on: July 28, 2023, 05:44:22 AM »
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« Reply #782 on: July 28, 2023, 06:12:15 AM »
Thanks Gero and Juan for the continuous flow of data. Gratitude from us mostly silent lurkers.

Looks like we are hitting that pivotal make or break point of the season when the central arctic sea follows the area loss pattern of the big loss years or not. If the drop continues, could be an interesting end to the season. Time and the weather of course will tell.
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[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

July 26 27th, 2023:
       7,078,489 km2, a drop of -75,312 km2.

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Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #783 on: July 28, 2023, 08:29:20 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  7,078,489 KM2 as at 27-Jul-2023

- Extent loss on this day 75k, 3 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 78k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 7,045 k, which is 470 k, 6.3% less than the 10 year average of 7,515 k.

- Extent is 15th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  185 k MORE than 2022,
- Extent is  562 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,160 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  790 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  325 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  712 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  339 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 76.3% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 49 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2023 of 4.75 million km2, 1.57 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 14th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #784 on: July 28, 2023, 08:48:30 PM »
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NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,693,391 KM2 as at 27-Jul-2023

- Area loss on this day 63k, 12 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 51k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 8,240 k, which is 20 k, 0.2% more than the 10 year average of 8,220 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  622 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  469 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  45 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  296 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  78 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 82.8% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 45 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2023 of 2.98 million km2, 0.73 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 6th lowest in the 45 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #785 on: July 29, 2023, 05:45:52 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

July 28th, 2023:
       6,972,673 km2, a century break drop of -105,816 km2.

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50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

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-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #786 on: July 29, 2023, 06:36:02 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  6,972,673 KM2 as at 28-Jul-2023

- Extent loss on this day 106k, 26 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 80k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 7,151 k, which is 444 k, 5.9% less than the 10 year average of 7,595 k.

- Extent is 14th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  152 k MORE than 2022,
- Extent is  527 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,087 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  783 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  287 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  680 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  314 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 77.2% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 48 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2023 of 4.72 million km2, 1.55 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 14th lowest in the satellite record
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« Reply #787 on: July 29, 2023, 05:44:12 PM »
NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,620,656 KM2 as at 28-Jul-2023

- Area loss on this day 73k, 20 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 53k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 8,313 k, which is 40 k, 0.5% more than the 10 year average of 8,272 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  626 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  496 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  58 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  277 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  98 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 83.3% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 44 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2023 of 2.96 million km2, 0.71 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 6th lowest in the 45 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #788 on: July 29, 2023, 05:57:01 PM »
The difference between trends in sea ice area between the High Arctic and the Peripheral Regions is so marked that it is worth a closer look.

So first here is a look at the High Arctic...

NSIDC  HIGH ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,232,504 KM2 as at 28-Jul-2023

- Area loss on this day 61k, 21 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 40k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 4,484 k, which is 296 k, 7.1% more than the 10 year average of 4,188 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  675 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  423 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  49 k LESS than 2016
- Area is  219 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  119 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 73.6% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 45 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining High Arctic Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2023 of 2.73 million km2, 0.67 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 4th lowest in the 45 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #789 on: July 29, 2023, 07:03:15 PM »
& here is a closer look at the Peripheral Regions

NSIDC ARCTIC PERIPHERAL SEAS - SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  388,152 KM2 as at 28-Jul-2023

- Area loss on this day 12k, 1 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 13k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 3,938 k, which is 226 k, 5.4% less than the 10 year average of 4,164 k.

- Area is at position #22 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),  of which 1 year(s) are before the year 2000

- Area is  49 k MORE than 2022,
- Area is  73 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  108 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  58 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  73 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 95.9% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 45 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2023 of 0.21 million km2, 0.17 million km2 above the Sept 2021 record low maximum of 0.04 million km2, and 23rd lowest in the 45 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #790 on: July 29, 2023, 07:16:27 PM »
& here are some numerical comparisons between the High Arctic and the Peripheral Regions sea ice area as at 28 July

PERIPHERAL SEAS
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 3,938 k, which is 226 k, 5.4% less than the 10 year average of 4,164 k.

HIGH ARCTIC
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 4,484 k, which is 296 k, 7.1% more than the 10 year average of 4,188 k.

PERIPHERAL SEAS
- Area is at position #22 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),  of which 1 year(s) are before the year 2000

HIGH ARCTIC
- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

PERIPHERAL SEAS
- Area is 73 k MORE than the 2010's Average

HIGH ARCTIC
- Area is  119 k LESS than the 2010's Average

PERIPHERAL SEAS
Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum23rd lowest in the 45 year satellite record.

HIGH ARCTIC
Average remaining High Arctic Area loss would produce a minimum 4th lowest in the 45 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #791 on: July 29, 2023, 10:43:38 PM »
total area losses so far this month are @ 3,080,000 sq km . That's 110,000 per day .
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #792 on: July 30, 2023, 06:02:37 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

July 29th, 2023:
       6,864,101 km2, a century break drop of -108,572 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
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Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

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-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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« Reply #793 on: July 30, 2023, 06:26:12 PM »
Late on parade today...

JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  6,864,101 KM2 as at 29-Jul-2023

- Extent loss on this day 109k, 31 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 78k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 7,259 k, which is 414 k, 5.4% less than the 10 year average of 7,673 k.

- Extent is 13th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  99 k MORE than 2022,
- Extent is  489 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,033 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  788 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  242 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  661 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  283 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 77.9% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 47 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2023 of 4.69 million km2, 1.52 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 14th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #794 on: July 30, 2023, 07:39:06 PM »
NSIDC have not yet issued their sea ice data for 29th July.
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« Reply #795 on: July 30, 2023, 08:00:51 PM »
According to https://cryospherecomputing.com/ there was a gain of 33k area today

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #796 on: July 31, 2023, 05:43:32 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

July 30th, 2023:
       6,779,131 km2, a drop of -84,970 km2.

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73% [PIOMAS Volume]

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« Reply #797 on: July 31, 2023, 08:35:58 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  6,779,131 KM2 as at 30-Jul-2023

- Extent loss on this day 85k, 19 k more than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 66k,
- Extent loss from maximum on this date is 7,344 k, which is 395 k, 5.1% less than the 10 year average of 7,739 k.

- Extent is 13th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  41 k MORE than 2022,
- Extent is  436 k MORE than 2021,
- Extent is  1,001 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  781 k MORE than  2019,
- Extent is  245 k MORE than 2016
- Extent is  647 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  270 k MORE than the 2010's Average
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On average 78.6% of extent losses from maximum to minimum done, and on average 46 days to minimum

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in September 2023 of 4.67 million km2, 1.50 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low minimum of 3.18 million km2, and 14th lowest in the satellite record
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #798 on: July 31, 2023, 03:33:23 PM »
So far no updated sea ice tables from NSIDC for a 2nd day.

But Nico Sun has access to the unpublished daily data, so here it is attached from https://cryospherecomputing.com/.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #799 on: July 31, 2023, 06:07:39 PM »
But now we have the data to 30th July.....

NSIDC  ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,525,770 KM2 as at 30-Jul-2023

- Area loss on this day 55k, 7 k less than the average loss on this day (of the last 10 years) of 62k,
- Area loss from maximum on this date is 8,408 k, which is 24 k, 0.3% more than the 10 year average of 8,384 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  545 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  590 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  147 k MORE than 2016
- Area is  330 k MORE than 2012
- Area is  86 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 84.4% of Area losses  from maximum to minimum done, and 42 days to minimum

Projections.

Average remaining Area loss (of the last 10 years) would produce a minimum in Sept 2023 of 2.98 million km2, 0.73 million km2 above the Sept 2012 record low maximum of 2.25 million km2, and 6th lowest in the 45 year satellite record.
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