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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1100 on: October 04, 2023, 06:15:57 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

October 3rd, 2023:
       4,718,751 km2, an increase of 65,760 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1101 on: October 04, 2023, 09:22:29 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  4,718,751 KM2 as at 03-Oct-2023

- Extent gain on this day 66k which is 28 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 38k,
- Extent gain from minimum on this date is 583 k, which is 106 k, 15.3% less than the 10 year average of 688 k.

- Extent is 5th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  526 k LESS than 2021,
- Extent is  513 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  45 k LESS than  2018,
- Extent is  469 k LESS than 2017
- Extent is  824 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  3,303 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Extent is  322 k LESS than the 2010's Average.

On average 7.0% of extent gains from minimum to maximum done, and 155 days to maximum.

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 13.83 million km2, 0.04 million km2 below the March 2017 record low maximum of 13.88 million km2, which would be 1st lowest in the satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1102 on: October 04, 2023, 02:41:31 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,299,885 KM2 as at 03-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 66k, which is 26 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 40k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 631 k, which is 105 k, 14.3% less than the 10 year average of 737 k.

- Area is at position #3 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  731 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  636 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  95 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  684 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  3,017 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  546 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 7.5% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 158 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.44 million km2, 0.19 million km2 below the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 1st lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1103 on: October 04, 2023, 02:50:21 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average): A bit more

Attached are the graphs and tables for the High Arctic & the Peripheral Seas

In the Peripheral Seas the story once again is about the Greenalnd Sea, with very large sea ice area increases. How much is from freezing & how much from Fram sea ice export?

In the High Arctic, the Beaufort is currently 1st lowest in the 45 year satellite record and the CAA 3rd lowest.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1104 on: October 04, 2023, 02:52:25 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):

Some graphs - mostly about the previous post.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1105 on: October 05, 2023, 10:44:18 PM »
No JAXA (ADS) data to day but we have NSIDC,

NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,359,853 KM2 as at 04-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 60k, which is 22 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 38k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 691 k, which is 83 k, 10.8% less than the 10 year average of 775 k.

- Area is at position #3 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  726 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  653 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  116 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  625 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  3,046 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  530 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 7.8% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 157 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.46 million km2, 0.17 million km2 below the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 1st lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1106 on: October 05, 2023, 11:00:27 PM »
As nico sun's measure of NSIDC area is over 100k higher but moved into 1st lowest today : 
     
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4066.0;attach=389323;image ,

I am more confused than ever !  ( nico also seems to be 8 days into October ? :) )
« Last Edit: October 05, 2023, 11:21:23 PM by be cause »
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1107 on: October 06, 2023, 05:43:44 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

October 5th, 2023:
     
I'm not able to connect to ADS/NIPR/VISHOP.
It send me to twitter (Now X).
I will wait another day...

Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1108 on: October 06, 2023, 09:44:24 AM »
As nico sun's measure of NSIDC area is over 100k higher but moved into 1st lowest today : 
     
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4066.0;attach=389323;image ,

I am more confused than ever !  ( nico also seems to be 8 days into October ? :) )
Weirdly, all single-day NSIDC area values in Nico's chart for 2023 are below 2020, yet the 5-day NSIDC area average moved above 2020. I can't figure it out.

Edit: Steven has figured it out here https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,4066.msg384332.html#msg384332  (a bug in Nico's site).
« Last Edit: October 06, 2023, 09:49:55 AM by oren »

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1109 on: October 06, 2023, 10:31:01 AM »
Problems with Nico Sun's https://cryospherecomputing.com/

It might be Windows 11 / google

I had problems with even accessing the images on Nico Sun's site (error messsages from google) after a big Windows 11 update recently  - & some other odd wobbles with other programs I use. Then after another windows update things sort of got better.

Meanwhile, it looks like no JAXA (ADS) data for a 2nd day - site can't be accessed, not even a twitter message.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1110 on: October 06, 2023, 12:49:10 PM »
  There is a Twitter message warning about no data till the 13.10.2023

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1111 on: October 06, 2023, 01:59:52 PM »
There is a Twitter message warning about no data till the 13.10.2023

I don't see it. Can you share a link, please?
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1112 on: October 06, 2023, 02:29:50 PM »
   I followed the link  provided by Juan .
  it was on their twitter account ....(now , the link seems to go nowhere )
  I didn't make a screenshot sadly. And I don't follow them on Twitter . but they stated 5.10 to 13.10

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1113 on: October 06, 2023, 02:37:11 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,434,700 KM2 as at 05-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 75k, which is 36 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 39k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 766 k, which is 48 k, 5.9% less than the 10 year average of 814 k.

- Area is at position #3 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  704 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  667 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  144 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  548 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  3,065 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  499 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 8.2% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 156 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.49 million km2, 0.14 million km2 below the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 1st lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1114 on: October 06, 2023, 02:51:02 PM »
While the peripheral seas sea ice area continues to strongly increase well above average, the High Arctic sea ice area gain to date is still well below average.

NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,074,313 KM2 as at 05-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 54k, which is 27 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 27k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 568 k, which is 126 k, 18.1% less than the 10 year average of 693 k.

- Area is at position #3 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  790 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  850 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  69 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  751 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  2,982 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  524 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 12.1% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 156 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 8.07 million km2, 0.52 million km2 below the March 2016 record low maximum of 8.59 million km2, and 1st lowest in the 45 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1115 on: October 06, 2023, 03:08:29 PM »
   I followed the link  provided by Juan .
  it was on their twitter account ....(now , the link seems to go nowhere )
  I didn't make a screenshot sadly. And I don't follow them on Twitter . but they stated 5.10 to 13.10

No worries, I found it.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1116 on: October 07, 2023, 04:42:14 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,510,376 KM2 as at 06-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 76k, which is 40 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 36k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 842 k, which is 8 k, 1.0% less than the 10 year average of 850 k.

- Area is at position #3 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  676 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  672 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  188 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  486 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  3,078 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  465 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 8.6% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 155 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.53 million km2, 0.10 million km2 below the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 1st lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1117 on: October 07, 2023, 04:44:48 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):

& here are the graphs & tables for the High Arctic & Peripheral seas.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1118 on: October 08, 2023, 10:15:05 PM »
No data from Japan and none from Colorado. Woe is me (and you?)
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1119 on: October 08, 2023, 11:38:37 PM »
Yes.  :(
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1120 on: October 09, 2023, 04:29:28 PM »
We have NSIDC data

NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,684,633 KM2 as at 08-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 95k, which is 40 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 55k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 1,016 k, which is 63 k, 6.6% more than the 10 year average of 953 k.

- Area is at position #4 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  525 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  677 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  276 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  438 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  3,089 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  406 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 9.7% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 153 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.60 million km2, 0.03 million km2 below the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 1st lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1121 on: October 09, 2023, 04:31:43 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,684,633 KM2 as at 08-Oct-2023

High Arctic sea ice area now strongly increasing while Peripheral sea ice area gains stall
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« Reply #1122 on: October 10, 2023, 01:47:07 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,803,408 KM2 as at 09-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 119k, which is 54 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 65k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 1,135 k, which is 117 k, 11.5% more than the 10 year average of 1,018 k.

- Area is at position #6 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  425 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  635 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  345 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  436 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  3,059 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  359 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 10.3% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 152 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.66 million km2, 0.03 million km2 above the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 2st lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1123 on: October 10, 2023, 03:38:52 PM »
No JAXA data so here is NSIDC extent data

NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT (5-day trailing average):  5,169,505 KM2 as at 09-Oct-2023

- EXTENT gain on this day 86k, which is 18 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 68k,
- EXTENT gain from minimum on this date is 939 k, which is 74 k, 7.3% less than the 10 year average of 1,014 k.

- EXTENT in this century is at position #6 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),  and 1 year(s) is lower before the year 2000

- EXTENT is  461 k LESS than 2022,
- EXTENT is  567 k LESS than 2021,
- EXTENT is  477 k MORE than 2020,
- EXTENT is  511 k LESS than 2017
- EXTENT is  3,233 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- EXTENT is  378 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 10.1% of EXTENT gains from minimum to maximum done, and 152 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-EXTENT-1)
Average remaining EXTENT gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 14.15 million km2, 0.09 million km2 below the March 2018 record low maximum of 14.24 million km2, and 1st lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1124 on: October 11, 2023, 01:21:36 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,929,486 KM2 as at 10-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 126k, which is 54 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 72k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 1,261 k, which is 171 k, 15.7% more than the 10 year average of 1,090 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  340 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  588 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  406 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  437 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  3,003 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  308 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 11.0% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 151 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.71 million km2, 0.08 million km2 above the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 3st lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1125 on: October 11, 2023, 01:24:08 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,929,486 KM2 as at 10-Oct-2023

High Arctic sea ice area increasing by leaps and bounds, while Peripheral Seas sea ice area gains continue to stall.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1126 on: October 12, 2023, 05:53:04 AM »
ADS NIPR has data, but only until October 5th.
I will post tomorrow.

[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

October 4th, 2023:
       4,758,105 km2, an increase of 39,354 km2.

October 5th, 2023:
       4,844,416 km2, an increase of 86,311 km2.

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Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1127 on: October 12, 2023, 06:17:31 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,051,979 KM2 as at 11-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 122k, which is 40 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 82k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 1,383 k, which is 212 k, 18.1% more than the 10 year average of 1,171 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  279 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  567 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  448 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  439 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  2,967 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  266 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 11.9% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 150 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.75 million km2, 0.12 million km2 above the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 3st lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1128 on: October 12, 2023, 06:19:18 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,929,486 KM2 as at 10-Oct-2023

Once again, High Arctic sea ice area increasing by leaps and bounds, while Peripheral Seas sea ice area gains continue to stall.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1129 on: October 12, 2023, 06:23:56 PM »
In recent days, Arctic Sea Ice area has increased much faster than Arctic sea ice extent.
Result? Increased sea ice concentration.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1130 on: October 12, 2023, 09:53:46 PM »
I added the monthly extent value for August and September 2023 into my long-term plot where I calculate the extent anomalies from 1979 up to now.
The average (1979-2023) NSIDC September extent is now 5.93 M km². September 2023 had an average extent of 4.37 M km², which is 1.56 M km² below that long-term average.
This month's value was below the long-term linear trend line. The difference of the actual month from that trend line is -0.39 M km² (calculated from the linear trend line this September should have been at 4.76 M km²).

The slope of the long-term linear trend line became steeper by one digit (-0.0524 → -0.0525).

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1131 on: October 13, 2023, 05:44:20 AM »
ADS NIPR has data, but only until October 5th.
...
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
It still has data until October 5th.
I will post tomorrow.
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1132 on: October 13, 2023, 06:15:18 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,174,891 KM2 as at 12-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 123k, which is 30 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 93k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 1,506 k, which is 242 k, 19.1% more than the 10 year average of 1,264 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  257 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  550 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  497 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  439 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  2,924 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  231 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 12.8% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 149 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.78 million km2, 0.15 million km2 above the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 3rd lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1133 on: October 14, 2023, 05:36:22 AM »
ADS NIPR has data, but only until October 5th.
...
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
It still has data until October 5th.
I will post tomorrow.

No change!!!  :P
I will try tomorrow.
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50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1134 on: October 14, 2023, 03:35:58 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,280,015 KM2 as at 13-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 105k, which is 3 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 102k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 1,611 k, which is 245 k, 18.0% more than the 10 year average of 1,366 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  275 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  554 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  517 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  434 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  2,910 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  218 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 13.8% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 148 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.79 million km2, 0.16 million km2 above the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 3rd lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1135 on: October 15, 2023, 03:53:26 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,373,377 KM2 as at 14-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 93k, which is 11 k less than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 104k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 1,705 k, which is 235 k, 16.0% more than the 10 year average of 1,470 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  319 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  571 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  522 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  422 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  2,919 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  218 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 14.9% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 147 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.78 million km2, 0.15 million km2 above the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 3rd lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1136 on: October 15, 2023, 03:58:19 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT (5-day trailing average):  5,602,608 KM2 as at 14-Oct-2023

- EXTENT gain on this day 69k, which is 24 k less than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 93k,
- EXTENT gain from minimum on this date is 1,372 k, which is 53 k, 3.7% less than the 10 year average of 1,425 k.

- EXTENT in this century is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),  and 1 year(s) is lower before the year 2000

- EXTENT is  464 k LESS than 2022,
- EXTENT is  602 k LESS than 2021,
- EXTENT is  572 k MORE than 2020,
- EXTENT is  640 k LESS than 2017
- EXTENT is  3,215 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- EXTENT is  393 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 14.3% of EXTENT gains from minimum to maximum done, and 147 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-EXTENT-1)

Average remaining EXTENT gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 14.17 million km2, 0.07 million km2 below the March 2018 record low maximum of 14.24 million km2, and 1st lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1137 on: October 15, 2023, 04:00:31 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  3,929,486 KM2 as at 10-Oct-2023

High Arctic sea ice area increasing quite strongly, while Peripheral Seas sea ice area gains continue to stall.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1138 on: October 16, 2023, 11:31:04 AM »
So JAXA (ADS/VISHOP) data is back...

JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,746,622 KM2 as at 15-Oct-2023

- Extent gain on this day 115k which is 12 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 103k,
- Extent gain from minimum on this date is 1,611 k, which is 86 k, 5.1% less than the 10 year average of 1,697 k.

- Extent is 7th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  519 k LESS than 2021,
- Extent is  808 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  29 k MORE than  2018,
- Extent is  608 k LESS than 2017
- Extent is  356 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  3,160 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Extent is  376 k LESS than the 2010's Average.

On average 17.3% of extent gains from minimum to maximum done, and 143 days to maximum.

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 13.85 million km2, 0.02 million km2 below the March 2017 record low maximum of 13.88 million km2, which would be 1st lowest in the satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1139 on: October 16, 2023, 01:51:16 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,462,849 KM2 as at 15-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 89k, which is 14 k less than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 103k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 1,794 k, which is 221 k, 14.0% more than the 10 year average of 1,574 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  353 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  588 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  534 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  411 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  2,940 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  227 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 15.9% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 146 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.76 million km2, 0.13 million km2 above the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 3rd lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1140 on: October 17, 2023, 09:38:03 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  5,925,150 KM2 as at 16-Oct-2023

- Extent gain on this day 179k which is 80 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 99k,
- Extent gain from minimum on this date is 1,789 k, which is 7 k, 0.4% less than the 10 year average of 1,796 k.

- Extent is 8th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  493 k LESS than 2021,
- Extent is  996 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  144 k MORE than  2018,
- Extent is  538 k LESS than 2017
- Extent is  283 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  3,032 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Extent is  319 k LESS than the 2010's Average.

On average 18.3% of extent gains from minimum to maximum done, and 142 days to maximum.

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 13.93 million km2, 0.06 million km2 above the March 2017 record low maximum of 13.88 million km2, which would be 3st lowest in the satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1141 on: October 17, 2023, 10:24:59 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

October 16th, 2023:
       5,925,150 km2, a century break increase of 178,528 km2.

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Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

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-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1142 on: October 17, 2023, 04:40:53 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,560,940 KM2 as at 16-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 98k, which is 5 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 93k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 1,892 k, which is 225 k, 13.5% more than the 10 year average of 1,667 k.

- Area is at position #7 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  357 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  579 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  582 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  390 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  2,947 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  227 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 16.9% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 145 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.77 million km2, 0.14 million km2 above the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 3rd lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1143 on: October 18, 2023, 06:38:50 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

October 17th, 2023:
       6,159,013 km2, a two century break increase of 233,863 km2.

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Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1144 on: October 18, 2023, 11:51:56 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  6,159,013 KM2 as at 17-Oct-2023

- Extent gain on this day 234k which is 114 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 120k,
- Extent gain from minimum on this date is 2,023 k, which is 108 k, 5.6% more than the 10 year average of 1,915 k.

- Extent is 8th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  423 k LESS than 2021,
- Extent is  1,200 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  386 k MORE than  2018,
- Extent is  430 k LESS than 2017
- Extent is  355 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  2,850 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Extent is  206 k LESS than the 2010's Average.

On average 19.5% of extent gains from minimum to maximum done, and 141 days to maximum.

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 14.05 million km2, 0.17 million km2 above the March 2017 record low maximum of 13.88 million km2, which would be 5th lowest in the satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1145 on: October 18, 2023, 02:39:31 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,675,500 KM2 as at 17-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 115k, which is 24 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 91k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 2,007 k, which is 249 k, 14.2% more than the 10 year average of 1,758 k.

- Area is at position #8 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  350 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  552 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  643 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  357 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  2,916 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  210 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 17.8% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 144 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.79 million km2, 0.16 million km2 above the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 3rd lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1146 on: October 18, 2023, 02:42:26 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):

High Arctic sea ice area increasing strongly, while in the Peripheral Seas sea ice area gains continue to stall and on this day falls by a modest 2k.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1147 on: October 19, 2023, 05:53:32 AM »
[ADS NIPR VISHOP (JAXA)] Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

October 18th, 2023:
       6,390,844 km2, a two century break increase of 231,831 km2.

For comments, see the first post in this thread.
Source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
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50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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« Reply #1148 on: October 19, 2023, 11:12:35 AM »
JAXA ARCTIC SEA ICE EXTENT:  6,390,844 KM2 as at 18-Oct-2023

- Extent gain on this day 232k which is 94 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 138k,
- Extent gain from minimum on this date is 2,255 k, which is 202 k, 9.8% more than the 10 year average of 2,053 k.

- Extent is 8th lowest in the 44 year satellite record.

- Extent is  362 k LESS than 2021,
- Extent is  1,391 k MORE than 2020,
- Extent is  522 k MORE than  2018,
- Extent is  386 k LESS than 2017
- Extent is  421 k MORE than 2012
- Extent is  2,667 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Extent is  112 k LESS than the 2010's Average.

On average 20.9% of extent gains from minimum to maximum done, and 140 days to maximum.

Projections. (Table JAXA-Arc1)

Average remaining extent gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 14.14 million km2, 0.26 million km2 above the March 2017 record low maximum of 13.88 million km2, which would be 8th lowest in the satellite record.
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Re: 2023 Sea ice area and extent data
« Reply #1149 on: October 19, 2023, 01:10:20 PM »
NSIDC ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA (5-day trailing average):  4,820,637 KM2 as at 18-Oct-2023

- Area gain on this day 145k, which is 50 k more than the average gain on this day (of the last 10 years) of 95k,
- Area gain from minimum on this date is 2,152 k, which is 299 k, 16.1% more than the 10 year average of 1,853 k.

- Area is at position #8 in the satellite record (#1=lowest),

- Area is  314 k LESS than 2022,
- Area is  505 k LESS than 2021,
- Area is  738 k MORE than 2020,
- Area is  320 k LESS than 2017
- Area is  2,855 k LESS than the 1980’s Average
- Area is  170 k LESS than the 2010's Average
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On average 18.8% of Area gains from minimum to maximum done, and 143 days to maximum

Projections. (Table NSIDC-Arctic-Area-1)

Average remaining Area gain (of the last 10 years) would produce a maximum in March 2024 of 12.84 million km2, 0.21 million km2 above the March 2016 record low maximum of 12.63 million km2, and 3rd lowest in the 44 year satellite record.
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