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Paradigm Shock : Terrain Model refutes Germ Theory of disease.
« on: December 29, 2023, 03:47:41 AM »
Do micro-organisms cause disease or are they the result of disease ?
Cause or effect ?

Pasteur's Germ theory hypothesizes that a specific germ causes a particular disease. So measles virus causes measles. 

Antoine Bechamp said that micro-organisms respond to the terrain of the body and are pleomorphic. Bacteria are saprophytes, the clean up crew of dead tissue.

Germ theory relies on virology which does not follow the scientific method.

https://drsambailey.com/a-farewell-to-virology-expert-edition/?fbclid=IwAR3SEjYlpxYiMrLz_xlPoESfc4frgNeXVF08F3QIcrWVkmC_-aMZ258DhtM

Pathogenic viruses have not been isolated and Koch Postulates have never been adhered to to prove a virus causes a disease.

https://rumble.com/v2bouki-the-end-of-germ-theory.html

Lifestyle is the determinant of health.

The body has a detoxification system. Toxins in toxins out. If too many toxins accumulate the body goes into an acute detoxification phase to restore homeostasis. The body is self healing, as can be seen when you cut your finger. The symptoms are therefore the super-intelligent response of the body, not disease itself, and giving medications interferes with the healing mechanism. So the body is not only trying to recover from the initial assault but now has to also metabolize the "medicine".

It is liberating to take responsibility for one's own health. It is also a great advantage to society.


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Re: Paradigm Shock : Terrain Model refutes Germ Theory of disease.
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2023, 07:02:03 PM »
I've 'known' germ theory was 'just a theory' for decades.  (I'm not a biologist or anything closely related.)  But there's this niggling thing (in my mind) that almost nobody died of AIDS-like symptoms until shortly before the AIDS virus was identified and then lots of people died of AIDS-like symptoms.  (Just an example.)

I remember my 'never sick' 'retired' doctors [married couple - she attended my birth, he was who I saw later) (who, when I was in college, no longer did license-required continuing education) who went to a convention of doctors in a nearby city and upon returning home both got heavy colds; they suggested a cause: all those other doctors were around sick people all the time and carried the germs but became functionally immune from them, whereas my doctors only saw 'healthy' people and had lost the immunity they might have once had.  This wasn't an anti-germ stance, but it suggested there was a lot more going on than just 'germs.'

Yesterday I read in The World Before Us (Tom Higham, 2021) that some bits of DNA make carriers functionally immune from some diseases.  I suggest I'd be irresponsible going into a tropical Southeast Asian jungle without a host of immunizations, given my lack of Denisovan-derived genes.

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Re: Paradigm Shock : Terrain Model refutes Germ Theory of disease.
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2023, 07:36:50 PM »
I am a microbiologist, and have to say that everything posted by the OP is simply disinformation. It has long been accepted that viruses satisfy Koch's postulates with the exception of postulate #2 for PURE culture. However viruses can be isolated from a culture of host cells that they can infect and use to propagate. This is common practice in public health labs to isolate and identify viruses, and to purify them for biorepositories and research purposes. For example, see https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/virus-culture

Koch's postulates were originally created before much was known about viruses or about the possibilities of asymptomatic disease. For more on how they have been amended to make room for scientific advances since their original publication, see:

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2L23F1/

Of course, many other factors go into whether a given person is susceptible to disease produced by a microorganism, and so one could say that there are many conditions that predispose one to infection. But please don't go to the extreme that viruses and other microorganisms are not the proximate cause of the diseases they have been scientifically proven to cause
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Re: Paradigm Shock : Terrain Model refutes Germ Theory of disease.
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2023, 09:16:59 PM »
So, phagocytes are the apex predators, and the animal just the carrier? DYOR on rumble?

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Phagocyte

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Re: Paradigm Shock : Terrain Model refutes Germ Theory of disease.
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2023, 11:58:37 PM »
I really enjoyed being harangued for years on and off by quite out there 'conspiracy trolls' posting all this info saying Viruses don't even exist. NOT.

They said it was all a fraud ... look here The Scientific Proof (aaaggghhh)   
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2023, 11:51:37 AM »
I've 'known' germ theory was 'just a theory' for decades.  (I'm not a biologist or anything closely related.)  But there's this niggling thing (in my mind) that almost nobody died of AIDS-like symptoms until shortly before the AIDS virus was identified and then lots of people died of AIDS-like symptoms.  (Just an example.)

HIV virus has never been isolated or proven to cause AIDS. AIDS symptoms were confined to at risk groups who undertook unhealthy lifestyles.

AIDS was a growing collection of previous diseases that were also thought to be contagious but were due to nutritional defiencies and stressors.

Like the PCR test for covid, the tests for HIV were unscientific.

https://www.theperthgroup.com/HIV/TPGVirusLikeNoOther.pdf
https://drsambailey.com/resources/videos/viruses-unplugged/the-yin-yang-of-hiv-part-one/

I remember my 'never sick' 'retired' doctors [married couple - she attended my birth, he was who I saw later) (who, when I was in college, no longer did license-required continuing education) who went to a convention of doctors in a nearby city and upon returning home both got heavy colds; they suggested a cause: all those other doctors were around sick people all the time and carried the germs but became functionally immune from them, whereas my doctors only saw 'healthy' people and had lost the immunity they might have once had.  This wasn't an anti-germ stance, but it suggested there was a lot more going on than just 'germs.'

Talking about immunity presupposes that something like a random virus is out to get us. Here is a more straight forward explanation :

"The voices against the germ hypothesis were adamant that it was the terrain (internal environment) of the individual that was the most important factor in determining whether or not one would experience disease. The more toxins and stressors that we are exposed to over a period of time, the greater the chance there will be that the body will initiate a detoxification process from within due to experiencing a toxic overload. Today, we can see that our terrain is directly influenced by many different factors, including:

Consuming non-organic, genetically modified, pesticide-laden foods

Drinking unclean, fluoridated and chlorinated water

Living a sedentary lifestyle without regular exercise

Consuming alcohol and recreational drugs

Taking prescription medications and toxic vaccines

Interrupted or inconsistent sleep cycle

Lack of direct sunlight

Long-term exposure to EMF’s and other radiation

Overabundance of stress and fear

Regular use of cleaning supplies and other chemicals

Regular exposure to air pollution

Improper self-care and hygiene

This became known as the terrain theory. It states that it is not strictly a single cause that brings about disease, as it can be many factors acting in combination with each other that toxifies the internal environment of an individual, eventually tipping the scale leading to a state of disease. Essentially, the dis-ease is the body working to cleanse itself in order to restore homeostasis."

https://mikestone.substack.com/p/second-thoughts-on-the-germ-theory?fbclid=IwAR3pz1KPp3oA5RYjRz8R30Yv9ihYjRjiE0gwzPKExRwe5x3eJ38K_s81phI



Yesterday I read in The World Before Us (Tom Higham, 2021) that some bits of DNA make carriers functionally immune from some diseases.  I suggest I'd be irresponsible going into a tropical Southeast Asian jungle without a host of immunizations, given my lack of Denisovan-derived genes.
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Re: Paradigm Shock : Terrain Model refutes Germ Theory of disease.
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2023, 12:20:36 PM »
I am a microbiologist, and have to say that everything posted by the OP is simply disinformation. It has long been accepted that viruses satisfy Koch's postulates with the exception of postulate #2 for PURE culture. However viruses can be isolated from a culture of host cells that they can infect and use to propagate. This is common practice in public health labs to isolate and identify viruses, and to purify them for biorepositories and research purposes. For example, see https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/virus-culture

As a microbiologist can you give a critique of Dr Mark Baileys "Farewell to Virology" ? Those claiming the existence of pathogenic viruses that cause disease should carry the burden of proof. There is only indirect evidences that do not stand up to scientific rigour.

Koch's postulates were originally created before much was known about viruses or about the possibilities of asymptomatic disease. For more on how they have been amended to make room for scientific advances since their original publication, see:

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2L23F1/
This Reuters fact check is laughable.
Lets say Koch Postulates are just guidelines - so lacks rigour. In any case there is no sample of SARS Cov 2 anywhere in the world and over 200 FOIs asking for proof of the virus have come back negative.
https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/68-health-science-institutions-globally-all-failed-to-cite-even-1-record-of-sars-cov-2-purification-by-anyone-anywhere-ever/

Of course, many other factors go into whether a given person is susceptible to disease produced by a microorganism, and so one could say that there are many conditions that predispose one to infection. But please don't go to the extreme that viruses and other microorganisms are not the proximate cause of the diseases they have been scientifically proven to cause

Implicit in your last paragraph that, at least in part, you accept that a person's terrain determines their health, so what attribution do you give to it ?

100% IMO.
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Re: Paradigm Shock : Terrain Model refutes Germ Theory of disease.
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2023, 03:36:57 PM »
Only if that environment includes everything else around them, including microorganisms, other humans and animal vectors of disease. Let's wait until the next Ebola epidemic and then you can share a room with one of the patients there for a couple days and see how lifestyle immunity works out for you?
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2023, 09:26:06 PM »
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Improper self-care and hygiene
Gosh, if I'm in a room seriously 'polluted' with Ebola for a long time and without protective gear, of course I might get sick!  Appropriate self-care would have caused me to not get myself into that situation.

In other words, "appropriate self care" is the answer to everything! (42)

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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2023, 01:11:19 AM »
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Improper self-care and hygiene
Gosh, if I'm in a room seriously 'polluted' with Ebola for a long time and without protective gear, of course I might get sick!  Appropriate self-care would have caused me to not get myself into that situation.

In other words, "appropriate self care" is the answer to everything! (42)

I've told friends to invite to their house if they have any colds, flu etc, even Ebola because I know that diseases are not contagious.

I hold Mike Stone in very high regard because he is self taught yet is brilliant in his writings.

"A comment was recently left on one of my posts that caught my attention:

If you 🤡s are all so confident viruses don’t exist, head over to an African country and expose yourself to ebola. Let me know how that works out for you. I’ll be waiting. Then again you’re all too 🐔 to prove me wrong.

For some reason, there are people out there who seem to believe that in order for one to prove “viruses” do not exist (a proving non-existence logical fallacy), one must either inject themselves with “infected” blood or expose themselves to “infected” individuals. These people feel that dissecting the studies which have been presented as evidence for the existence of these fictional pathogenic entities is just not convincing enough. In this particular instance, I was told to go to Africa and expose myself to an Ebola patient. This person proudly declared “Prove to me I’m wrong by infecting yourself.” Of course if I were to become sick after exposing myself to an Ebola patient, that would in no way prove a “virus” was the cause as environmental toxins, stress and fatigue from travel, changes in nutritional and sleeping habits, etc. could all be potential factors leading to dis-ease. If I were not to get sick, these people will fall back on rescue devices such as naturally occuring antibodies or asymptomatic infection as the likely explanation for any lack of dis-ease. It would ultimately be a fruitless exercise.

Unfortunately for those who make illogical demands like the example above, the burden of proof is on the one who makes the positive claim. If one states that a “virus,” exists, the onus is on that person to prove the existence of that particular “virus.” The best way to do so would be by presenting the foundational studies relating to said “virus.” It is interesting to me that these people never look to the scientific literature to try and establish that these “viruses,” such as Ebola, were proven to exist in the first place as claimed. However, I understand their frustration in trying to present the original studies as proof as the scientific evidence simply does not exist anywhere within any of these papers.

This breakdown of the Ebola fraud will be presented in two parts. Part one is focused on the “isolation” of the Ebola “virus” by three individual groups of researchers in 1976. I have provided the three papers submitted, one from each group, to see if there is any scientific evidence for an Ebola “virus” contained within them. Did the researchers adhere to the scientific method? Was there any attempt to properly purify and isolate the particles assumed to be the Ebola “virus” directly from the fluids of a sick host? Were these purified particles used to expose a susceptible host in a natural way? Were the electron microscope images only of the assumed “viral” particles and nothing else? Did the researchers carry out the proper control experiments? We shall find out.

The second part explores the inconsistencies in the WHO’s 23-page report released in 1978 summarizing the research conducted in 1976. There are many different holes within the narrative that require further examination. It will also look at other potential causes for the symptoms experienced by the patients that were bizarrely overlooked by the WHO.

https://viroliegy.com/2022/09/26/the-ebola-virus-part-1/
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2023, 01:26:18 AM »
I really enjoyed being harangued for years on and off by quite out there 'conspiracy trolls' posting all this info saying Viruses don't even exist. NOT.

They said it was all a fraud ... look here The Scientific Proof (aaaggghhh)

Did you examine their evidence ?

Have you seen and read the info in my post ?

"What should be very clear is that Abraham Flexner was a well-connected yet unqualified individual who was placed into a powerful position to do the bidding of the robber barons of the time, Andrew Carnegie and John D. Rockefeller. His report vilified and did away with many alternative schools that practiced chiropractic, naturopathy, homeopathy, holistic and herbal medicine. It allowed for the takeover of the modern medical system by those who were looking to peddle their petrochemical poisons that were created by the refinement of oils in order to sell them back onto the gullible public as “cures” for their ails. Flexner's report created a culture that paved the way for the patenting and monetization of pharmaceuticals, allowing his bosses to profit handsomely from his work. This allowed for the practitioners of the allopathic model, consisting of the real snake oil-like practices of bloodletting, invasive surgery, and the injection of toxic heavy metals, to reframe themselves as “real medicine” in order to roll over the competition that mainly utilized natural ingredients that were now considered quackery:

After removing traditional medicine from medical schools, Rockefeller made sure to secure his monopoly by launching a targeted smear campaign against his competitors. Homeopathy and natural medicines were discredited and demonized through the newspapers and other media of the time.  Some doctors were even jailed for using natural medicine treatments, including treatments that had been used safely and effectively for decades before. In a very short time, medical colleges were all homogenized. All the students were taught the same allopathic system and medicine was now defined as a process of prescribing patented drugs. “A pill for an ill” became the mindset of American medicine.”


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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2023, 01:33:54 AM »
Only if that environment includes everything else around them, including microorganisms, other humans and animal vectors of disease. Let's wait until the next Ebola epidemic and then you can share a room with one of the patients there for a couple days and see how lifestyle immunity works out for you?

Sorry, I don't understand your first sentence.

I am willing to help Ebola sufferers without protective equipment.
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2023, 01:41:46 AM »
So, phagocytes are the apex predators, and the animal just the carrier? DYOR on rumble?

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Phagocyte

Phagocytes along with trillions of microbes that our bodies have a symbiotic relationship with are part of the detoxification system. They recognize foreign particles and gobble them up.
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2023, 02:48:50 AM »
Toxicology vs Virology - Rockefeller Institute and the Criminal Polio Fraud

https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Toxicology-vs-Virology-Rockefeller-Institute-and-the-Criminal-Polio-Fraud:1
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2023, 03:44:09 PM »
You want foundational scientific literature for Ebola, surething, easy internet search, the citations are all there for review for anyone who wants to educate themselves on how viruses are isolated and tested via modified Koch's postulates:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5050466/

"VIRUS ISOLATION AND IDENTIFICATION
On 28 September 1976, just prior to her death, a blood specimen was again collected from the sick nun from Yambuku by Jacques Courteille, a Belgian physician working at Ngaliema Hospital in Kinshasa. He reported that she had a 5-day febrile, hemorrhagic illness, possibly yellow fever. The sample arrived in a broken vial at the Institute of Tropical Medicine (ITM; Antwerp, Belgium) on 29 September, followed by a postmortem liver specimen a day later. These specimens were inoculated into Vero cells and analyzed by Guido van der Groen, René Delgadillo, and Peter Piot in the microbiology department directed by Stefaan Pattyn [3]; a cytopathic effect was observed. When a Marburg-like virus was observed by electron microscopist Wim Jacob, the World Health Organization (WHO; Geneva, Switzerland) was notified: the ITM team was told by Paul Brès of the WHO to send all specimens immediately to the Microbiological Research Establishment (MRE; Porton Down, United Kingdom), arriving on 5 October. Some materials were forwarded to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC; Atlanta, Georgia), arriving on 11 October and 13 October; both laboratories had maximum containment for highly pathogenic viruses. The ITM retained some specimens in Antwerp [3]. At the MRE, Ernest Bowen, Graham Lloyd, William Harris, Geoff Platt, Arthur Baskerville, and Ethelwald Vella did the analyses. In Kinshasa, Gerard Raffier sent the blood samples taken from convalescent patients and others to Pierre Sureau at the Institute Pasteur (Paris, France). As Pasteur likewise lacked a maximum containment unit, Sureau was urged by Brès to ship all specimens immediately to the CDC (P. Sureau, Une nouvelle fièvre hemorrhagique virale Africaine: l'epidémie de Yambuku, Zaire, 1976: la découverte du virus Ebola; Carnet de Route, unpublished memoir).

Inoculation into animals and cell lines occurred in all 3 laboratories, and virus was grown (Table ​(Table1).1). Filovirus particles, resembling Marburg virus, were seen by negative contrast electron microscopy (EM) of Vero cell culture supernatant of blood and by thin-section EM [4–6]
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« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2024, 12:01:50 AM »
I really enjoyed being harangued for years on and off by quite out there 'conspiracy trolls' posting all this info saying Viruses don't even exist. NOT.

They said it was all a fraud ... look here The Scientific Proof (aaaggghhh)

Did you examine their evidence ?

Initially yes. They had no evidence.



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Have you seen and read the info in my post ?


No sorry. I have heard enough.

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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2024, 11:43:41 PM »
You want foundational scientific literature for Ebola, surething, easy internet search, the citations are all there for review for anyone who wants to educate themselves on how viruses are isolated and tested via modified Koch's postulates:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5050466/

"VIRUS ISOLATION AND IDENTIFICATION
On 28 September 1976, just prior to her death, a blood specimen was again collected from the sick nun from Yambuku by Jacques Courteille, a Belgian physician working at Ngaliema Hospital in Kinshasa. He reported that she had a 5-day febrile, hemorrhagic illness, possibly yellow fever. The sample arrived in a broken vial at the Institute of Tropical Medicine (ITM; Antwerp, Belgium) on 29 September, followed by a postmortem liver specimen a day later. These specimens were inoculated into Vero cells and analyzed by Guido van der Groen, René Delgadillo, and Peter Piot in the microbiology department directed by Stefaan Pattyn [3]; a cytopathic effect was observed. When a Marburg-like virus was observed by electron microscopist Wim Jacob, the World Health Organization (WHO; Geneva, Switzerland) was notified: the ITM team was told by Paul Brès of the WHO to send all specimens immediately to the Microbiological Research Establishment (MRE; Porton Down, United Kingdom), arriving on 5 October. Some materials were forwarded to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC; Atlanta, Georgia), arriving on 11 October and 13 October; both laboratories had maximum containment for highly pathogenic viruses. The ITM retained some specimens in Antwerp [3]. At the MRE, Ernest Bowen, Graham Lloyd, William Harris, Geoff Platt, Arthur Baskerville, and Ethelwald Vella did the analyses. In Kinshasa, Gerard Raffier sent the blood samples taken from convalescent patients and others to Pierre Sureau at the Institute Pasteur (Paris, France). As Pasteur likewise lacked a maximum containment unit, Sureau was urged by Brès to ship all specimens immediately to the CDC (P. Sureau, Une nouvelle fièvre hemorrhagique virale Africaine: l'epidémie de Yambuku, Zaire, 1976: la découverte du virus Ebola; Carnet de Route, unpublished memoir).

Inoculation into animals and cell lines occurred in all 3 laboratories, and virus was grown (Table ​(Table1).1). Filovirus particles, resembling Marburg virus, were seen by negative contrast electron microscopy (EM) of Vero cell culture supernatant of blood and by thin-section EM [4–6]

Same old story, the ebola virus was not detected directly from the blood of the patient.

"The sample arrived in a broken vial at the Institute of Tropical Medicine (ITM; Antwerp, Belgium) on 29 September, followed by a postmortem liver specimen a day later. These specimens were inoculated into Vero cells and analyzed by Guido van der Groen, René Delgadillo, and Peter Piot in the microbiology department directed by Stefaan Pattyn [3](Book : No Time to Lose: A Life in Pursuit of Deadly Viruses By Peter Piot) So the reference to this claim is a book, not a peer reviewed study.

From Mike Stone's article on ebola :

"Tracing the origin of the Ebola “virus” to its roots led me to three different papers by three different teams of researchers in three different parts of the world. It should come as no surprise to anyone who understands the pseudoscientific methods virology employs that, at no point in time, do any of the papers submitted adhere to the scientific method.

This is absolutely essential in order for a study to be considered scientific. Nowhere in any of the papers is an Ebola “virus” ever properly purified and isolated directly from the fluids of a sick host, thus there is no independent variable for the researchers to vary and manipulate in order to determine cause and effect.

Without a valid independent variable of purified/isolated particles, there can be no true pathogenicity studies utilizing a natural route of exposure, thus there can be no pathogenic claim. Without proper controls, there is no way to determine what other confounding factors could also potentially cause the effect one is searching for through experimentation, thus making the results obtained invalid and meaningless."

All the evidence is indirect.

"Serum from the sick nurse was inoculated into 6 young adult mice by intracerebral and intraperitoneal routes, into 2 litters of newborn mice intracerebrally, and into 10 tubes of Vero-cell cultures (grown in medium 199 containing 7.5% calf serum)
The serum was tested by complement fixation for “Lassa-virus” antibodies (the result was negative) and by neutralisation on Vero cells for antibodies against yellow-fever “virus” (antibodies were present at 1/30 dilution)
During the first 4 days of observation some cells in the bottom of most tubes became detached from the glass surface and although this was first interpreted as a partial cytopathic effect, it did not increase during the following days and it was then judged to be non-specific
On day 5 the
tissue-culture medium was changed to the succinate/succinic-acid buffered medium (as described by Plaisner et al.1) without serum
On day 11 a very striking cytopathic effect was observed in these cultures, with most cells still attached to the glass and the cytopathic effect was almost
complete on day 12
In other words, Piot and Co. were not getting the CPE that they wanted to see so the medium was changed to one known to produce CPE with “arboviruses” and by day 12 they got the effect that they wanted to see
Electron-microscopic examination of ultrathin sections of this material revealed extracellular straight and cross-sectioned “virus” particles morphologically similar to Marburg “virus”
Although the ultra-structure of liver tissue was very poorly preserved, similar “virus” particles were observed
It was concluded that the agent responsible for the epidemic of haemorrhagic fever in Central Africa was either Marburg “virus” or a “virus” serologically different from it but belonging to the same “virus” group, either “rhabdovirus” or “torovirus”

" Instead of properly purified and isolated “virus,” we get unpurified cell cultured soup mixed with many toxic ingredients such as Vero cells, medium 199, and 7.5% calf serum. Instead of observing the “virus,” we get the non-specific cell death known as the cytopathogenic effect blamed on an invisible pathogen which can be a result of many things other than a “virus” such as changing the medium halfway through to one more suitable to producing the desired cytopathic effect. Instead of visualizing nothing but the particles claimed to be the new “virus,” we get EM images of unpurified and non-isolated filamentous particles ranging wildly in shape and size which were previously associated with the Marburg “virus.” We get histopathological lab results showing the same findings obtained through investigation with the Marburg “virus” a decade before. We get non-specific indirect antibody results used to claim that the “virus” is a new “virus” within the same family as the Marburg “virus” even though the other indirect findings should have led to the conclusion that they had either uncovered the same “virus” or that the results in both cases were fraudulent. In other words, the researchers found the exact same particles in EM images associated with cases of the exact same symptoms of disease attributed to Marburg (and many other diseases) yet as the antibody results did not align, rather than question the credibility of the previous Marburg findings, the researchers decided that what they had was a new “virus” instead. Anything to keep the story alive."

https://viroliegy.com/2022/09/26/the-ebola-virus-part-1/
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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2024, 11:49:42 PM »
I really enjoyed being harangued for years on and off by quite out there 'conspiracy trolls' posting all this info saying Viruses don't even exist. NOT.

They said it was all a fraud ... look here The Scientific Proof (aaaggghhh)

Did you examine their evidence ?

Initially yes. They had no evidence.



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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2024, 10:37:51 AM »
Nutrition is a basic requirement for a healthy bio-terrain. During acute food shortages consequently, mass sickness leading to death occur.

Dramatic climatic fluctuations in the early 14th century were responsible for Europe's Great Famine of (1315-1321) and the Black Plague Black Death (1346-1353).

""The 14th century is one of the most dynamic centuries of the Middle Ages," said Seung Hun Baek, an earth and environmental sciences graduate student at Columbia University who presented the new findings this week at AGU's Fall Meeting 2019 in San Francisco. "This is when the [Black Death] happened, it's when the Hundred Years' War for the French throne was happening, it's also when the Irish independence movement was going on."

The Hundred Years' War, which began in 1337, and Black Death, which reached Europe in 1347, were as devastating as they were, in part, because they happened in the context of a Europe already weakened by years of hunger from the Great Famine. This was a "whopper of an event in a whopper of a century," Smerdon said."

"Europe's Great Famine of 1315–1317 is considered one of the worst population collapses in the continent's history. Historical records tell of unrelenting rain accompanied by mass crop failure, skyrocketing food prices, and even instances of cannibalism."

""When we think about extreme hydroclimate events, we talk a lot about drought," said Jason Smerdon, a paleoclimatologist with Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory and lead author of the study. "But this was a deluge. And both of those things are going to be more frequent as a consequence of climate change."

https://phys.org/news/2019-12-europe-worst-famines-devastating.html

"The transition from the Medieval Warm Period to the Little Ice Age was apparently accompanied by severe droughts between 1302 and 1307 in Europe; this preceded the wet and cold phase of the 1310s and the resulting great famine of 1315-21. In the journal Climate of the Past, researchers from the Leibniz Institutes for the History and Culture of Eastern Europe (GWZO) and Tropospheric Research (TROPOS) write that the 1302-07 weather patterns display similarities to the 2018 weather anomaly, in which continental Europe experienced exceptional heat and drought. Both the medieval and recent weather patterns resemble the stable weather patterns that have occurred more frequently since the 1980s due to the increased warming of the Arctic."

"According to the Leibniz researchers' hypothesis based on their comparison of the 1302-07 and 2018 droughts, transitional phases in the climate are always characterized by periods of low variability, in which weather patterns remain stable for a long time."

"The Great Famine (1315-1321) is considered the largest pan-European famine of the past millennium. It was followed a number of years later by the Black Death (1346-1353), the most devastating pandemic known, which wiped out about a third of the population. At least partially responsible for both of these crises was a phase of rapid climate change after 1310, called the 'Dantean Anomaly' after the contemporary Italian poet and philosopher Dante Alighieri. The 1310s represent a transitional phase from the High Medieval Climate Anomaly, a period of relatively high temperatures, to the Little Ice Age, a long climatic period characterized by lower temperatures and advancing glaciers."

"Based on the recorded effects, the team reconstructed the historical weather conditions between the summer of 1302 and 1307. Through evaluations of the 2018 drought and similar extreme events, it is now known that, in such cases, a so-called 'precipitation seesaw' usually prevails. This is the meteorological term for a sharp contrast between extremely high precipitation in one part of Europe and extremely low precipitation in another. "This is usually caused by stable high and low pressure areas that remain in one region for an unusually long time. In 2018, for example, very stable lows lay over the North Atlantic and southern Europe for a long time, which led to heavy precipitation there and an extreme drought in between in central Europe," explains meteorologist Dr. Patric Seifert from TROPOS"

https://phys.org/news/2021-01-drought-century-middle-ageswith-parallels.html?fbclid=IwAR05jJiBCLbP-p1_iOPKX2_0AgUB3Q-2r1lpIPciO7OzVZVTq5vxKPJTGAQ

Of course there is an assumption that a flea carrying a bacteria riding on a rat made its way to Europe along the Silk Road from, you guessed it, China.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

"Ancient septicemic plague epidemics were reported to have killed millions of people for 2 millenniums. However, confident diagnosis of ancient septicemia solely on the basis of historical clinical observations is not possible. The lack of suitable infected material has prevented direct demonstration of ancient septicemia; thus, the history of most infections such as plague remains hypothetical. "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC22883/

"Because of the limits inherent in historical sources on ancient plague epidemics, many questions concerning their etiology and epidemiology remain unanswered. Molecular biology tools and the use of dental pulp as a preserved source of bacterial DNA enabled us to demonstrate that Yersinia pestis was the etiologic agent of the 1347 European Black Death and of two additional epidemics in 1590 and 1722 in southern France."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1286457901015155?via%3Dihub

But for dramatic climate change, millions would not have died in the first half of the 14th century.





 

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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2024, 01:35:50 AM »
This study found that what was identified as the influenza virus had the same composition as exosomes.

" we note that influenza virions share an underlying protein composition with exosomes"
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms5816

"Exosomes are of general interest for their role in cell biology, and for their potential therapeutic and diagnostic applications. It was originally thought that exosomes were simply cellular waste products, however their function is now known to extend beyond waste removal. Exosomes represent a novel mode of cell communication and contribute to a spectrum of biological processes in health and disease."

https://www.technologynetworks.com/cell-science/articles/exosomes-definition-function-and-use-in-therapy-334117

Exosomes need to be stored at -70C to remain viable.

"In summary, our results indicate that different storage temperature and period influences recovery yield and morphology of exosome, and storage at below -70°C is the favorable condition for preservation of fresh exosomes for clinical application and basic researches."

If viruses have the same protein composition as exosomes and exosomes need to be stored at -70C, it follows that viruses can not be functional or even exist at all at normal temperatures in the atmosphere.
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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2024, 08:55:35 AM »
"24 November 2011 the German Virologist Dr. Stefan Lanka offered a prize of €100k for a scientific publication in which the alleged existence of the "measles virus" is proven. He did this to raise awareness to what he believed was fraudulent science behind mandatory measles vaccinations.

This Challenge was undertaken by Dr. David Bardens who submitted 6 papers he believed proved the existence of the measles virus and took it to Ravensburg Regional Court on non payment. An Ad Hoc judgment was made on 12 March 2015 by Judge Schneider before any rebuttal from Dr. Lanka.

If you search for this court case this is normally what you are met with in the search results. Piles of articles showing that Dr. Lanka lost because of this first court case decision but nothing can be further from the truth."

"The reason why the trial is heavily focused on Enders 1954 paper is because it is the supposed proof of isolation of the virus. All other papers presented such as genomic sequencing, EM, protein analysis, PCR etc. have to have an isolated virus as a reference, without which it cannot be considered proof.

Going back to the comments made by Podbielski of "missing negative control". This was really only half true. The control was not "missing" it categorically failed. The effects meant to denote the presence of a virus were found in the uninfected sample. The part in the Enders, 1954 paper is shown below and a Twitter thread explaining the control results can be reviewed here."

"So we fast forward to the closing statements of the unanimous decision of all three judges of the Higher Regional Court of Stuttgart overturning the decision and Granting the plaintiff Dr. Stefan Lanka the Win:

122’ As a result, the appeal was successful, insofar as it is admissible, because the claimant’s criterion of providing evidence of the existence of the measles virus through “a scientific publication” was not met by the plaintiff. Accordingly, the plaintiff is not entitled to any pre-trail attorney’s fees.

123’ 1. The decision on costs is based on §§ 91, 92 Para. 2 No. 1 ZPO

124’ 2. The decision of the provisional enforceability is based on §§ 708 No. 10, 711 ZPO

125’ 3. The revision is not permitted because the requirements of Section 542 (2) ZPO are not met."

https://dpl003.substack.com/p/the-day-virology-died-by-jamie-andrews

"The final refutal of virology. English version.

Narrated in English by Heather Lynn Bruno ( IG@magicaldancer7 )

Dear friends, in this video I will tell you about an incredible historical event. Thanks to microbiologist Stefan Lanka, we now have the final, official refutal of virology.

Stefan Lanka conducted control experiments that refuted the methods that virologists use to prove the existence of viruses.

I will explain you everything and give you the necessary context and so that you can realize the full significance of Stefan Lanka’s control experiments."

https://rumble.com/vhx3l1-the-final-refutal-of-virology.html
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2024, 08:33:13 AM »
“The combined death rate from scarlet fever, diphtheria, whooping cough and measles among children up to fifteen shows that nearly 90 percent of the total decline in mortality between 1860 and 1965 had occurred before the introduction of antibiotics and widespread immunization. In part, this recession may be attributed to improved housing and to a decrease in the virulence of micro-organisms, but by far the most important factor was a higher host-resistance due to better nutrition.”

Ivan Illich

Medical Nemesis, Bantam Books, 1977

So, who is right? Here is what official government statistics of infectious disease mortality (number of deaths) show:

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England/Wales: Combined infectious disease mortality rates 1838 – 1980

https://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/UK-Deaths-1838-1978-Copy.gif?_ga=2.195584175.2046619029.1704413920-1571648956.1704325590&_gl=1*z4rw5s*_ga*MTU3MTY0ODk1Ni4xNzA0MzI1NTkw*_ga_1NT5JD283N*MTcwNDQzNzY0MS4zLjAuMTcwNDQzNzY1My4wLjAuMA..

https://vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/do-infectious-disease-mortality-graphs-show-vaccines-save-lives/
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2024, 03:43:04 PM »
If anyone's wondering about the role of vaccines in preventing viral outbreaks/epidemics of the past:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2qyy0q77ywo
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2024, 11:42:16 PM »
If anyone's wondering about the role of vaccines in preventing viral outbreaks/epidemics of the past:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2qyy0q77ywo

You are assuming that a virus causes the condition labeled measles. Germany has a law protecting the scientific method so Stefan Lanka won his case that the measles virus has not been proven to exist.

Check out for yourself, given your qualifications, the foundational study of measles, the 1954 Enders paper which lacked the necessary scientific rigour.

Stefan Lanka's view on the condition known as measles is that it is “a psychosomatic illness”, causing people to fall ill “after traumatic separations.” So lockdowns, families separated, feelings of isolation and despair and other covid measures could be the driver of the reported increase in the condition known as measles.

Another more recent win in the German Courts :

"I last interviewed Marvin Haberland in October 2022, when he was challenging a court fine in Germany. He had deliberately broken “corona” legislation to expose the fraudulent nature of virology. He argued that because virology does not follow the scientific method, any penalty notices issued under their Infectious Diseases legislation were illegal.

Marvin finally went to court on 26 April 2023. Listen to what happened and where this might go next as virology derails…"


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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2024, 11:24:21 AM »
Great minds think alike, Dr Sam Bailey discusses the Plague. Environmental factors explain epidemics.

"What We Weren’t Taught About The Plague"

20th January 2024

“The Plague” or “The Black Death” was said to have wiped out half of Europe’s population in the mid-1300s to earn the title as the most deadly pandemic of all time. It is claimed that the bacterium Yersinia Pestis caused the death of all of these people and that the disease was so infectious that being anywhere near a case could be fatal.

Many aspects of the narrative simply do not stack up, in particular the fact that germ theory and Koch’s postulates have been falsified numerous times over the past century. As our Italian friends declared after their recent interview with Dr Mark Bailey, these fairy tales have enslaved the world in a false paradigm of disease for generations.

Present day germ theorists have been ignoring many of the inconvenient facts including a far more detailed account of plague cases in Australia last century. In this video we examine the science behind this so-called contagious disease and why the wheels have fallen off one of the crown jewels of “pandemic” mythology.

https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/What-We-Weren't-Taught-About-The-Plague:a?fbclid=IwAR1waehRS0qGb02tWZQ2BOOmHKuIOIVaux74ljI3s2mM05PuIRH7z9ZR0GM
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2024, 02:06:26 AM »
THE END OF COVID - Alec Zeck and Mike Winner obliterate the field of VIROLOGY by exposing COVID fraud

- COVID-19 origins and virology with producers of new docu series. (0:00)
- The nature of disease and the limitations of germ theory. (6:20)
- COVID-19 misinformation and scientific method. (8:54)
- Virology and the scientific method. (14:28)
- Vaccine-induced loss of sense of smell and neurological symptoms. (22:56)
- Disease causes, mass media, and electrical systems. (24:04)
- The role of fear and belief in physical symptoms. (28:02)
- The power of the mind and false authority in health and medicine. (30:25)
- AIDS and HIV testing controversies. (35:01)
- COVID-19, vaccines, and conspiracy theories. (38:10)
- Scientific integrity and COVID-19 testing methods. (40:23)
- COVID-19 and independent thinking. (45:48)
- COVID-19, vaccines, and government ops. (46:57)
- Alternative approaches to disease prevention and wellness. (54:27)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ewg5jexONgA7/?fbclid=IwAR3rik50523by6QYIMEjRSi2CPZe1VJZJPzQPDsboWv-O4KitTG9nmDZ3cs
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2024, 02:01:38 AM »
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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2024, 10:30:01 AM »
There are no viruses. Symptoms are the physical manifestation of the detoxification systems of the body dealing with various poisonings, including new non-native electro-magnetic frequencies.
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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2024, 12:14:09 PM »
Lab Leak: An Elaborate Misdirection?
By HFDF TeamFebruary 7, 2024

"Unfortunately, many in-the-know folks who are skeptical of the medical industry’s pharmacological fantasies are still trapped on the lab-leak circuit of the Covid merry-go-round.

Amidst the hyperfocus on gain-of-function research, furin cleavage sites, restriction enzymes, and the rest of the sci-fi vernacular that shroud the lab-leak hypothesis in scientific-sounding mumbo jumbo there lies an elementary question, “Does this theory hold even an ounce of water?”

One conspicuous curiosity that calls into question the threat of “lab-leaked bioweapon” is the fact that the “Covid-19” deaths follow the age/risk stratification and seasonal curve of influenza and pneumonia (two named illnesses that, until 2020, health authorities lumped together in their charts).

Equally inexplicable is the fact that, in 2020, reported cases of flu in many countries suddenly vanished."

"In these institutions, “Covid” patients were forcibly “treated” with toxic medications, placed on sedatives and ventilators that blew up or collapsed their lungs, and abandoned in their rooms to die a painful, lonely, despairing death.

Family members were prevented from being at their side to comfort them, to question the macabre protocols being mercilessly inflicted, and to spirit them out of the “death row” facilities.

That the death rate attributed to Covid was so low throughout the rest of the global population proves the alleged “bioweapon” was a dud."

"So-called Covid skeptics buying into aspects of the Covid myth creates a situation in which “dissident movement” resources are channeled into conferences and investigations where attention is fixed—and fixated—on esoteric explanations that ultimately prop up the overall pandemic narrative. If they were truly dissidents, they would be collaborating with truth-tellers to prove the demonstrable forensics of the fraud that defines the Covid enterprise.

The lab-leak theory reinforces the idea that “the virus” is a grave problem that needs to be solved rather than a fear-based control mechanism. It bolsters the notion that a “deadly” man-made, “novel” virus caused an “unprecedented medical emergency” for which a raft of invasive policies—including the worldwide suspension of basic civil liberties—would become justified.

To justify another round of lockdowns and to codify more draconian measures such as mandated vaccination in the future, all that will be needed is to reignite the fear of a bioweapon."

"Misdirection is a classic strategy used to divert attention from one subject and direct it to another. Getting people to ask all the wrong questions ensures they will be kept from seeking answers to the right questions. Asking the wrong questions also ensures they will always draw wrong conclusions."

https://healthfreedomdefense.org/lab-leak-an-elaborate-misdirection/?fbclid=IwAR1nHp0Qw89SHXBlP2TDCn-wzIIseMA2OqlFh3lGWQrBTGqQFyFcRTc9Hn4
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