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« on: January 05, 2024, 06:08:40 PM »
I have opened the COP29 Thread

Am I in self-destruct mode?
Is the world in self-destruct mode?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/jan/05/cop29-will-be-led-by-mukhtar-babayev-azerbaijan-ecology-minister-who-is-oil-industry-veteran
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Oil industry veteran to lead next round of Cop climate change summit

Mukhtar Babayev is named president-in-waiting of UN climate summit to be held in November


Sceptics have already raised questions over the appointment of Mukhtar Babayev to the role. Photograph: Thomas Mukoya/Reuters

Cop29, the next round of UN talks to tackle the climate crisis, will be led by another veteran of the oil and gas industry.

Mukhtar Babayev, Azerbaijan’s ecology and natural resources minister, has been appointed the president-in-waiting for the Cop29 climate talks when they take place in the country in November.

Before his entry into politics in the autocratic country in western Asia, once a Soviet republic, Babayev spent 26 years working for the State Oil Company of the Azerbaijan Republic (Socar).

Close observers of the Cop process will see parallels with the appointment of Sultan Al Jaber, who moonlighted from his role as the chief executive of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company to preside over the summit when it took place in Dubai last year.

Sceptics have already begun to point to Babayev’s appointment as raising questions over the commitment to the global phase-out of fossil fuels in Azerbaijan. The country relied on oil and gas for more than 92.5% of its export revenue last year, according to the US government’s International Trade Administration.

But Babayev does have form in environmental protection, having spent three years as Socar’s vice-president for ecology, in which time he oversaw efforts to remediate Azerbaijan’s contaminated soils. The country is wrestling with a number of severe ecological problems, including, after 160 years of oil production, decades-worth of damage from the petrochemical organisations that operate there.

Born in Baku while Azerbaijan was still part of the USSR, Babayev served in the Soviet military before studying political science at Moscow State University and then foreign economic relations at the Azerbaijan State University of Economics.

He joined Socar in 1994, working in foreign economic relations and marketing until his appointment as the company’s ecology tsar in 2008. According to a US diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks, on his appointment to that role Babayev hosted the first ecology conference in Azerbaijan’s history.

In the environment role, he described remediation as the “shared mission and moral imperative” of all Azerbaijanis, but also said that any fall in oil prices could hamper efforts.

US diplomats reported him as saying in a subsequent meeting that his mission was to “change the mentality” of Azerbaijanis about their responsibilities to the environment, and even joking that his new role made him and Socar’s first vice-president “enemies”.

But he reportedly emphasised his role was to change Socar’s attitude to the environment while nonetheless continuing to develop Azerbaijan’s oil industry.

In 2010, Babayev entered politics, becoming an MP for the ruling New Azerbaijan party, which has won every election in the country since 1993. He was appointed minister for ecology in 2018, in which role he has fulminated against alleged ecological destruction by Armenians living in territories claimed by Azerbaijan.

Simon Stiell, the UN climate change executive secretary, welcomed the appointment, exhorting his team to work with Babayev and Yalchin Rafiyev, his lead negotiator, to deliver “a successful Cop29”.

The Azerbaijan government has been approached for comment.
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Re: COP29
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2024, 08:06:44 PM »
Those COPs have become an absolute joke that never have, and never will save the climate. It's all up to economics now. Cheap solar, wind, and natural hydrogen will save the world, not these ridiculous COPs.
Keep 'em stupid, and they'll die for you.

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Re: COP29
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2024, 06:59:15 PM »
too late for COP28 ...

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Re: COP29
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2024, 02:03:06 AM »
Those COPs have become an absolute joke that never have, and never will save the climate. It's all up to economics now. Cheap solar, wind, and natural hydrogen will save the world, not these ridiculous COPs.
I completely agree. The unanimous consent rule has always been asinine. Change the rules to a supermajority and this crap wouldn't happen

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Re: COP29
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2024, 05:48:07 PM »
Cop29 - another even worse joke on us.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/01/azerbaijan-accused-crackdown-journalists-run-up-election
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Azerbaijan accused of crackdown on journalists in run-up to election
Sevinc Vaqifgizi is one of 13 independent journalists detained since snap presidential vote announced


David Pegg
Thu 1 Feb 2024 16.00 GMT
In late November last year, the investigative journalist Sevinc Vaqifgizi was arrested upon arrival at Heydar Aliyev international airport in Azerbaijan and accused of smuggling foreign currency.

Shortly before takeoff the 34-year-old editor had learned that her close colleague, Ulvi Hasanli, had been detained hours earlier. The two journalists ran Abzas Media, a small, independent Azerbaijani news outlet known for its investigations. They deny the charges.

Before boarding the plane, Vaqifgizi recorded a video on her phone. “People will pick up where we left off even if they arrest Ulvi, or me, or any of us,” she said. “Don’t let them think they can stop these investigations by arresting us. It won’t happen.”

Two weeks later, Azerbaijan’s president, Ilham Aliyev, announced snap elections would be held in February 2024, a year earlier than planned. Since then at least 11 other reporters have been arrested or detained, including four linked to Abzas.

Vaqifgizi’s colleagues were detained after a raid on their office, in which police claimed to have found €40,000 (£35,000) in cash. The journalists face up to eight years in jail if convicted of having illegally brought the money into the country.

International human rights groups suggest the charges are fabricated and part of a government crackdown on independent media. “The raid on the offices of Abzas Media, one of the few domestic Azerbaijani media outlets that still dares to investigate official corruption, and the arrest of its director, Ulvi Hasanli, appear to be in retaliation for the outlet’s pioneering journalism,” the Committee to Protect Journalists said last year.

Abzas’s previous work includes an investigation into the alleged torturing to death of Azerbaijani soldiers accused of treason, and the revelation of extensive wealth and property linked to ministers in Aliyev’s government.

Journalists from other outlets have also been arrested. Aziz Orujov, the director of the broadcaster Channel 13, was arrested in front of his young daughter on suspicion of “illegal construction”. His colleague Rufat Muradli was picked up for alleged “minor hooliganism”. Most have been placed in preventive detention for periods of several months that will elapse shortly after the elections.

‘Thrown into prison under absurd pretexts’
Abzas remains online outside Azerbaijan, but with only three staff still at liberty, investigative work is no longer possible. “Abzas is still publishing, doing daily reporting and daily news,” Leyla Mustafayeva, a freelance journalist who will take over Vaqifgizi’s role on an acting basis this month, told the Guardian. “But since November there haven’t been any investigations, because the main staff doing the investigations are in jail.”

A coalition of 15 media organisations, coordinated by the Paris-based outlet Forbidden Stories and including the Guardian, is on Thursday launching the Baku Connection project which, which continues some of the investigations Abzas’s journalists were working on before they were arrested.

The Aliyev government denies confecting charges against reporters. “In Azerbaijan, people are not arrested or interrogated just for their political opinions or just for their profession,” said Leyla Abdullayeva, Azerbaijan’s French ambassador, in an interview with France 24, one of the Baku Connection partners. “If a journalist is questioned or imprisoned, that is to say it is an illegal act, he has committed an illegal act.”

Free press and democracy campaigners are more sceptical. The country ranks 151st out of 180 on the Reporters Without Borders press freedom index, behind Pakistan, Libya and Sudan. “President Ilham Aliyev has wiped out any semblance of pluralism,” its most recent survey of global press freedom concluded. “Journalists who resist harassment, blackmail or bribery attempts are thrown into prison under absurd pretexts.”

Those independent journalists not arrested have found their ability to publish constrained by increasingly severe economic restrictions. For example, accepting charitable grants from outside Azerbaijan was criminalised in 2014. In contrast, pro-government media receive cash bonuses and subsidies, and occasionally bribes, according to Reporters Without Borders.

Azerbaijan’s ambitions may attract greater scrutiny

Twenty years after seizing power amid alleged ballot rigging and widespread police violence, Aliyev appears to be more interested in displaying a respectable face internationally. The country hosted the Eurovision song contest in 2012, the European Games in 2015, and will host the next United Nations global climate change summit, Cop29, in November this year.

Such ambitions risk attracting greater attention to concerns about human rights violations. Last week the parliamentary body of the Council of Europe, an international organisation founded in 1949 to promote democracy and human rights across the continent, voted to reject the Azerbaijani delegation’s credentials, citing its failure to implement even basic human rights reforms.

“Very serious concerns remain as to [Azerbaijan’s] ability to conduct free and fair elections, the separation of powers, the weakness of its legislature vis-a-vis the executive, the independence of the judiciary and respect for human rights,” stated a resolution passed by the assembly, which is known as Pace.

For an organisation that has handed over millions of euros to overhaul and improve Azerbaijan’s police force, such a statement could appear to be an admission of failure. Forbidden Stories identified more than €23m of payments by the Council of Europe to a variety of Azerbaijani criminal justice reform programmes since 2014.

In response to the assembly resolution, Azerbaijan accused Pace of “political corruption, discrimination, ethnic and religious hatred, double standards, arrogance, chauvinism” and “Azerbaijanophobia and Islamophobia”, and said it would withdraw from the group.

The Council of Europe’s position is the latest in a series of actions taken by authorities across the continent. British courts recently approved the seizure of funds allegedly linked to the “Azerbaijani Laundromat”. German and Italian politicians have been convicted of, or charged with, taking bribes from Azerbaijan in “caviar diplomacy” corruption cases.

Whether increasing international criticism and action will help Azerbaijan’s arrested journalists seems unlikely. Mustafayeva, the incoming Abzas editor, said she doubted the regime would withdraw the criminal charges. But she also predicted that upon their release, her colleagues would immediately return to reporting.

“I hope that after they get released, they will come up with enough power and energy to continue their work,” she said. “I think so.”
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Re: COP29
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2024, 08:30:23 AM »
Cop 29: a bad joke?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jun/12/azerbaijan-accused-of-media-crackdown-before-hosting-cop29
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Azerbaijan accused of media crackdown before hosting Cop29
State reportedly arrested at least 25 journalists and activists in last year as it prepares for September climate summit


Fiona Harvey in Bonn
Wed 12 Jun 2024 05.00 BST


Ilham Aliyev is serving a fifth term as president after elections recorded him winning 92% of the vote. Photograph: AP

Azerbaijan’s government has been accused of cracking down on media and civil society activism before the country’s hosting of crucial UN climate talks later this year.

Human Rights Watch has found at least 25 instances of the arrest or sentencing of journalists and activists in the past year, almost all of whom remain in custody.

Many campaigners and civil society groups have spoken of their concerns that climate advocacy was being stifled amid a media clampdown. Azerbaijan will host the UN Cop29 climate summit over two weeks in November, when nearly 200 governments, including dozens of heads of state, are expected to thrash out a new global approach to providing the funds needed to tackle the climate crisis.

Azerbaijan, an authoritarian state where media and civic freedoms are curtailed, is regarded as one of the world’s most corrupt countries, coming 154th out of 180 states in a ranking by Transparency International last year. There is little effective political opposition and the president, Ilham Aliyev, won more than 92% of the vote in elections in February to take a fifth consecutive term. His father was Heydar Aliyev, who led the country under Soviet rule and was installed as president after a military coup in 1993 followed the breakup of the eastern bloc.

Azerbaijan is also accused of holding political prisoners. A war with neighbouring Armenia last year over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region ended with 100,000 people being displaced from their homes.

One of Aliyev’s top advisers said a few weeks ago that the government intended to make Cop29 a “Cop of peace”, and to call for a Cop truce in which hostilities would be suspended around the world for the duration of the talks.

Campaigners raised their concerns at a pre-Cop29 meeting of governments in Bonn, where the secretariat for the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) is based. Officials from around the world are in the midst of two weeks of meetings to discuss the key issues that will dominate the Cop29 summit, including the vexed question of how to provide sufficient finance to help the developing world cut greenhouse gas emissions and cope with the impacts of global heating.

A protest was held at the entrance to the Bonn talks on Friday evening – the midpoint of the discussions – calling for the release of 23 Armenian political prisoners held in Azerbaijan. Some protesters accused the government of genocide.

Myrto Tilianaki, a senior environmental advocate at Human Rights Watch, highlighted the case of Anar Mammadli, a member of the Human Rights Houses network, who was arrested on 29 April on smuggling charges. He is a founder of the Climate of Justice Initiative, which aims to use Cop29 to push for environmental justice in Azerbaijan.

Ibad Bayramov is campaigning for the release of his father, Gubad Ibadoghlu, a research fellow at the London School of Economics and civil rights activist, who was imprisoned last summer and whose health has badly deteriorated, requiring urgent medical treatment which his family say he is not receiving.

Bayramov said: “Cop29 lends legitimacy on the world stage to the government’s illegitimate imprisonment of my father. As his health has deteriorated to extreme levels, western governments continue to meet weekly with their Azerbaijani counterparts regarding Cop29. Meaningful progress on climate change cannot be achieved in a country where individuals like my father are imprisoned and tortured for speaking out.”

Paul Polman, a former CEO of Unilever who now campaigns on climate and human rights issues, said he wanted to use Cop29 as an opportunity for the international community to talk about Azerbaijan’s treatment of prisoners, about which he has serious concerns. “I hope that Cop29 can be used as an opening,” he said. “But it’s appalling that human rights has not been on the agenda. After Cop29, there will not be a spotlight on Azerbaijan’s record.”

Azerbaijan’s government has rebutted the activists’ claims. A spokesperson said: “We totally reject the claims about [a] crackdown against human rights activists and journalists in Azerbaijan. No one is persecuted in Azerbaijan because of political beliefs or activities.

“As in any rule-of-law based society, any detention or imprisonment of a person who is suspected in illegal activities is subject to the requirements of investigation and fair trial, based on relevant laws and regulations. Instead of waiting for the results of criminal cases and investigations, as well as court rulings … to call on Azerbaijan to release suspects is in open contradiction with legal procedures.

“As Cop29 president, Azerbaijan lays out its vision and pillars for a successful year of climate negotiations, encouraging an open and direct dialogue among all nations, and we believe all the layers of society should contribute to successful efforts to tackle the climate change challenge.”

Azerbaijan’s presidency follows two other consecutive Cops – the term stands for conference of the parties, under the UNFCCC, the 1992 parent treaty to the Paris agreement – in countries with authoritarian leaders and poor records on human rights: the United Arab Emirates hosted Cop28 in Dubai last year, where protests were muted, and Egypt hosted Cop27 in 2022. The UN guarantees some freedom of expression for protesters within the confines of the Cop during the fortnight it runs, but has little influence on the hosts’ behaviour outside its precincts.

Tilianaki said: “Holding Cop29 in Azerbaijan raises serious concerns about the possibility of advancing ambitious climate action in negotiations. Governments attending the Bonn preparatory meeting should call out Azerbaijan for its repression of civil society and make clear that they will actively confront any attempts to weaken robust climate policies.”
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Re: COP29
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2024, 08:29:17 PM »
Maybe there is a hint in the hosts...  ::)
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Re: COP29
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2024, 06:20:47 PM »
This can't be happening. I was hoping Brazil would be a change after Azerbaijan, but it seems like the presidents of the most ridiculous COPs have already found a way to get their claws into COP30 as well. The language in this text is ridiculous. >:( >:( >:(

Climate COP Presidencies Troika Launches ‘Roadmap to Mission 1.5°C’

https://sdg.iisd.org/news/climate-cop-presidencies-troika-launches-roadmap-to-mission-1-5c

The Presidencies of the 2023, 2024, and 2025 UN Climate Change Conferences have formed the COP Presidencies Troika and launched the ‘Roadmap to Mission 1.5°C,’ to “significantly enhance international cooperation and the international enabling environment to stimulate ambition in the next round of nationally determined contributions, with a view to enhancing action and implementation over this critical decade and keeping 1.5°C within reach.”

On 21 March 2024, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) COP 28 Presidency, the Azerbaijani COP 29 Presidency, and the Brazilian COP 30 Presidency sent out a letter to parties, stating the Troika’s aim of raising and reframing ambition for the next round of nationally determined contributions (NDCs) to address “all pillars of climate action under the 1.5°C umbrella,” with strengthened targets and implementation frameworks.

According to the letter, signed by COP 28 President and UAE Special Envoy for Climate Change Sultan Al Jaber, COP 29 Incoming President and Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Azerbaijan Mukhtar Babayev, and Brazil’s Minister of the Environment and Climate Change Marina Silva, the Troika will:
  • Support parties’ nationally determined ambition and priorities through the implementation of the UAE Consensus;
  • Catalyze the mobilization and provision of technical and financial resources to further stimulate ambition in NDCs; and
  • Utilize existing mechanisms, processes, and stakeholders, within and outside the UN system, to channel means of implementation in support of greater ambition that contributes to sustainable development.
The letter informs of the Troika’s intention to formally call on the UN Secretary-General to create “a single coordinated, unified, and effective platform of UN support across agencies,” including through NDC incubation workshops and tools to align targets with 1.5°C and the UAE Consensus.

The COP Presidencies Troika will host a series of high-level political convenings to assess barriers to NDC development, including meetings during the Germany-hosted 15th Petersberg Climate Dialogue, the 60th sessions of the UNFCCC Subsidiary Bodies (SBs), the 79th session of the UN General Assembly (UNGA), and a special session at the opening of the 29th session of the Conference Parties to the UNFCCC (COP 29). These meetings will discuss the “quantity and quality of support needed” to ensure NDCs can deliver just climate transitions aligned with the 1.5°C goal. The Presidencies will also work with “key thematic and political platforms” such as the Group of 20 (G20), “to channel existing knowledge and resources towards ambitious NDC development.”

The letter articulates the COP Presidencies Troika’s belief that “ambition and implementation can come from all parts of the world” and calls for the early submission of high-ambition NDCs. “As three developing countries representing different geographic regions,” the COP 28, COP 29, and COP 30 Presidencies announce they will demonstrate their commitment by submitting 1.5°C-aligned NDCs by early 2025.

Annexed to the letter is the Roadmap to Mission 1.5°C, which outlines its vision, mandate and objectives, and scope of work.

Unveiling the Troika’s vision at the Copenhagen Climate Ministerial, held from 21-22 March 2024, Al Jaber highlighted the next round of NDCs as “a critical tool for correcting course.” He said NDCs should: be economy-wide; cover all greenhouse gases (GHGs), including methane; “follow the science”; and ensure energy transition pathways that are “just, orderly, and responsible.”

Al Jaber called for “equally strong action on adaptation,” with National Adaptation Plans (NAPs) covering food systems, water security, nature, health, are peoples’ lives and livelihoods.


Emphasizing finance as the key enabler of climate progress, he said it “must be made more available, accessible, and affordable at every level” and stressed the need for “a climate finance architecture that unlocks the trillions needed for transformational green growth.” [Presidencies Troika Letter to Parties] [UAE Press Release]
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2024, 06:37:37 PM »
They sort of coordinate what the main point of each talk is. It´s all blah blah without a commitment to actually reduce our FF output anyway.

We are doing the 2C ´slight overshoot´ scenario which is bad.
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Re: COP29
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2024, 04:16:39 PM »
When China and America come together at this COP, there is nothing big oil can do about it.
And with this current ticket, OMG!!!!  ;D


Tim Walz Has Championed Climate as Governor
Kamala Harris’s V.P. pick, known for his folksy persona and rural Midwestern roots, has elevated the issue of climate change in his state.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/06/climate/tim-walz-climate-change.html.

Over the course of his two terms in office, Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota has quietly emerged as one of the nation’s most forceful advocates for tackling climate change.

Governor Walz, who has been tapped by Vice President Kamala Harris as her running mate according to two people briefed on the matter, most recently made national headlines for labeling the Republican ticket “weird.”

But back in St. Paul, Mr. Walz has been increasingly focused on the threats posed by climate change to his state and has been enacting ambitious policies designed to slash the use of the fossil fuels that are dangerously heating the planet.

Most notably, in 2023, Mr. Walz signed a law requiring Minnesota to generate all of its electricity from wind, solar and other carbon-free sources by 2040, eliminating the climate-warming pollution generated by coal and gas-fired power plants. That law came in the midst of a legislative session in which Minnesota Democrats, working with Governor Walz, pushed through nearly 40 other climate initiatives. In June, he signed a law designed to speed the implementation of the 2040 clean power mandate, by streamlining the permitting of renewable electricity projects.

“As I sign this legislation, communities from one end of our state to the other are looking at months of rebuilding after an extreme weather event exacerbated by climate change,” Governor Walz said in June, after catastrophic flooding devastated parts of the state.

“This is a measure that will help protect our environment and get the clean energy projects that are going to help fight climate change in motion,” he said.

More than half of states already have laws or regulations requiring utilities to switch to clean electricity, but only a handful require the transition to happen at the rapid pace set by Minnesota. Under that law, Minnesota would transition to clean electricity sources even faster than California, which for decades has been at the vanguard of state climate action.

The Minnesota law is also more ambitious than a similar standard that President Biden tried, but failed, to include in his 2022 climate law. Activists have said they see it as a model for future climate legislation — at either the state or national level.

“We could not be more excited about Governor Walz’ leadership on climate,” said Bill Holland, state policy director for the League of Conservation Voters. “I do not think when he campaigned in 2018 we would have called him a climate champion, and he has now made it a centerpiece.”

Still, the governor’s actions on climate have generated pushback from neighboring North Dakota, which is heavily reliant on coal and is also a major producer of gas. Gov. Doug Burgum, Republican of North Dakota, who is advising Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, on energy policy, contends that the new Minnesota climate law is unconstitutional. The law would eventually forbid Minnesota utilities from selling coal or gas-fired power produced in other states to Minnesota customers, even if the power is generated by fossil fuels but the producer uses “carbon capture” technology that captures and stores planet-warming greenhouse pollution.

The North Dakota Industrial Commission, a three-member panel led by Mr. Burgum, filed formal comments with the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission in June calling that element of the law “constitutionally suspect,” and “an improper attempt by Minnesota to export its wholly internal energy policy decisions to its neighboring states in patent violation of those states’ rights and sovereignty.”

A spokeswoman for the Walz administration referred questions about the case to the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission, which did not respond to a query by email on Monday afternoon.

Before he became governor, Mr. Walz was a schoolteacher when he was elected to Congress in 2006. He served six terms and was known as a reliable vote for Democratic environmental policies, but not as a particularly vocal champion of climate legislation.

But that began to change as his state felt the effects of extreme weather events intensified by climate change.

Over the past five years, extreme drought forced Minnesota cattle farmers to liquidate some of their herds far earlier than planned. Wildfire smoke from Canada choked the skies over the Twin Cities. A dearth of snow and ice — an increasing problem in the Great Lakes Region — meant a lack of ice-fishing and cross-country skiing that triggered economic losses.

During that time, Mr. Walz gradually embraced the role of climate champion, speaking about the direct impacts of climate change on his rural constituents.


In 2019, he signed an executive order that established a climate change sub-cabinet within his administration that is advised by a citizen board. In 2022, he unveiled a plan to fight climate change that called for increasing sales of electric vehicles to 20 percent by providing purchasing incentives for consumers and dealers, expanding the state’s E.V. charging network, and reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 50 percent by the end of the decade.


I can't begin to express how happy I am right now with Tim Walz as VP. If these two can't team up with China against big oil at this COP29, 6 days after the election, I don't know who can.

I assume they'll lay the groundwork at this COP29, and then go hard in Brazil.
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2024, 06:11:48 PM »
6 days after the election is pretty short term to get your people in. And of course the state is not the country.
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Re: COP29
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2024, 11:26:42 PM »
6 days after the election is pretty short term to get your people in. And of course the state is not the country.
Unless proved otherwise I assume the fix will be in before COP29 officially starts.

And activists might find Baku not exactly welcoming them with open arms....
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2024, 11:36:18 PM »
6 days after the election is pretty short term to get your people in. And of course the state is not the country.
I'm sure they're already working hard on that, because Biden will still be the president, and Kamala the VP. So she can just hop on the plane with him.

Like I said, I assume they'll lay the groundwork at this COP, and then go hard in Brazil. I hope...
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2024, 09:44:51 PM »
Unless proved otherwise I assume the fix will be in before COP29 officially starts.

And activists might find Baku not exactly welcoming them with open arms....
And here it is...... COP29 shafted by the G20.

In the first draft ...members explicitly reaffirmed the pledge to “transition away from fossil fuels”.
in the latest draft .....there is no repetition of the reference to “transition away”.


A few words missing, a few weasel words added, and there you are. Easypeasy.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/sep/10/g20-countries-transition-away-fossil-fuel-pledge-cop28-climate
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G20 countries turning backs on fossil fuel pledge, say campaigners

Promise to ‘transition away from fossil fuels’ made at Cop28 climate talks has been left out of draft resolutions


Campaigners have claimed some of the world’s largest economies are turning their backs on a pledge made last year to transition away from fossil fuels.

Ministers from the G20 group of developed and developing countries, including the US, UK, China and India, will meet in Rio de Janeiro on Wednesday to discuss the global approach to the climate crisis.

The talks will be chaired by Brazil, which holds the revolving presidency of the group. But members have left the explicit pledge out of the latest draft of their resolutions. The omission could result in a serious backsliding, campaigners fear, and they have called for the commitment to be reinstated.

In the first draft of the G20 communique on climate, which is under discussion, members explicitly reaffirmed the pledge to “transition away from fossil fuels”. The phrase was the most important commitment to emerge from the UN Cop28 climate summit in Dubai last year.

Never before had all countries directly addressed the need to give up fossil fuels, with previous agreements focusing on greenhouse gas emissions, temperature rises and the need to boost renewable energy, rather than name the root cause of the climate crisis.

The “transition away” pledge, which does not carry a timeline, was regarded as weak by some campaigners but was fought by some oil-producing countries.

Since the Cop summit, there have also been signs that Saudi Arabia, in particular, has tried to reinterpret the pledge as simply one option among many, rather than an imperative.

This year’s G20 meetings in Brazil are regarded as an important step to consolidating the progress made last year, and pushing the world forward to take action on the pledge.

Leaked documents seen by the Guardian show that in the latest draft of paragraph 5 of the communique, where the commitment appeared in the first draft, there is no repetition of the reference to “transition away”.

Instead, there is an oblique reference to the pledge, through a reference to “the goals set forth” in the Cop28 outcome, which include the commitment to transition away.

The latest version of the crucial paragraph, under discussion by the TF-Clima group, as the G20 ministerial climate taskforce is known, reads: “We welcome and fully subscribe to the ambitious and balanced outcome of the UN climate change conference in Dubai (Cop28), particularly the first global stocktake (GST-1) of the Paris agreement, which builds on the intent of the G20 New Delhi leaders’ declaration to pursue and encourage efforts to triple renewable energy capacity globally and other zero- and low-emission technologies, including abatement and removal technologies, and to double the rate of energy efficiency improvement by 2030.

“We commit to operationalising our steps in this regard and to contributing to the goals set forth in paragraph 28 of the GST-1 decision, in line with our national circumstances.”

For the explicit pledge to be dropped from the G20 communique would mark a clear step backwards, campaigners warned.

Stela Herschmann, a climate policy specialist at Observatório do Clima in Brazil, said: “The resistance of countries to explicitly mention fossil fuels and the need to phase them out is evident, even after the GST-1 decision.

“However, there is no chance of limiting global warming to that level without tackling the root cause of the problem [fossil fuels] head on. Countries need to operationalise this now, and the G20 should lead this discussion, not shy away from it.”

Shreeshan Venkatesh, a global policy lead at the Climate Action Network, said: “Climate impacts are escalating, hence the costs of our collective inaction are increasing too. However, finance is continuing to flow in the wrong direction, adding fuel to the rapidly intensifying climate crisis.

“In this context, it is very concerning that G20 countries are unwilling to come through on their responsibilities to rapidly divest from harmful fossil fuels and lead efforts to amend our current economic system in a manner that unlocks lifesaving green investments in the global south and fosters a just and equitable transition.”

The leaders of the G20 countries will meet on 18 and 19 November, where geopolitics including the conflicts in Ukraine and Russia as well as Israel and Gaza are likely to dominate.

The conference will take place at the same time countries meet in Azerbaijan’s capital, Baku, for the Cop29 climate summit on 11-22 November.

Next year’s climate Cop – which stands for conference of the parties, under the 1992 UN framework convention on climate change, the parent treaty to the 2015 Paris agreement – will be held in Belém, in the Brazilian Amazon.

The country’s president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, has taken a strong stance on economic justice as a significant theme of his G20 presidency.

Lula wants a global 2% wealth tax on billionaires, which would raise $250bn (£191bn), with some of the money going to help poor countries cope with the impacts of climate breakdown.
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2024, 08:18:00 PM »
There's been another conference - in New York You can read about it here...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/23/new-york-climate-week-al-gore-john-kerry-condemn-fossil-fuels

It sort of sets the scene for COP29

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Kerry gives scathing rating on climate action: ‘Is there a letter underneath Z?’
Former secretary of state accuses oil and gas companies of ‘business as usual’ at major climate summit in New York


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Mon 23 Sep 2024 23.59 BST
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Countries are ignoring commitments they made less than a year ago to shift away from fossil fuels and to provide aid to those most vulnerable to the climate crisis, a host of leading figures have admitted during a gloomy start to a major climate summit in New York.

Al Gore, the former US vice-president, and John Kerry, the former US secretary of state and climate envoy, have led the condemnation of the largest greenhouse gas emitters, led by China and the US, for failing to follow a UN pact signed in Dubai by nearly 200 countries in December to “transition away” from oil, coal and gas.

“We made an agreement in Dubai to transition away from fossil fuels,” said Kerry, who was the US lead climate negotiator at the time. “The problem? We aren’t doing that. We’re not implementing. The implications for everybody, and life on this planet, is gigantic.”

“Many people felt it was a great victory to have that language about transitioning away from fossil fuels, I felt that too,” said Gore. “But now look at the agenda for this year’s Cop and they’ve completely ignored that.

“The climate crisis is a fossil fuel crisis, the fossil fuel industry is the wealthiest and most powerful industry in the history of the world. They fight ferociously to stop anything that would stop consumption of fossil fuels. They are way better at capturing politicians than emissions.

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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2024, 09:09:18 PM »
The UN has laid out its agenda for COP29. But the UN has next to no power compared with the fossil fuel industry, the chemical industry, bigPharma, forestry industry et al.

some quotes....
"Political courage required" - unfortunately in short supply,
"current path towards a catastrophic temperature rise of 3.1C" - whoops
"commit to cut 42% off annual greenhouse gas emissions by 2030 and 57% by 2035 in their next UN pledges" - pledges are not guaranteed action.

See attached graph to complete progress from depression to despair.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/oct/24/crunch-time-for-real-un-says-time-for-climate-delays-has-run-out
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‘Crunch time for real’: UN says time for climate delays has run out

Means to stop catastrophic global heating exist, says UN chief, but political courage is needed to end world’s fossil fuel addiction

The huge cuts in carbon emissions now needed to end the climate crisis mean it is “crunch time for real”, according to the UN’s environment chief.

An unprecedented global mobilisation of renewable energy, forest protection and other measures is needed to steer the world off the current path towards a catastrophic temperature rise of 3.1C, a report from the UN environment programme (Unep) has found. Extreme heatwaves, storms, droughts and floods are already ravaging communities with less than 1.5C of global heating to date.

Current carbon-cutting promises by countries for 2030 are not being met, according to the report, and even if they were met, the temperature rise would only be limited to a still-disastrous 2.6C to 2.8C. There is no more time for “hot air”, the report said, urging nations to act at the Cop29 summit in November.

Keeping the international goal of 1.5C within reach was technically possible, said the report, but it required emissions to fall by 7.5% annually until 2035. That means halting emissions equivalent to those of the EU every year for a decade. Delaying emissions cuts only means steeper reductions would be needed in future.

Unep said countries must collectively commit to cut 42% off annual greenhouse gas emissions by 2030 and 57% by 2035 in their next UN pledges, called nationally determined contributions and due in February. Without these pledges, and rapid action to back them up, the 1.5C goal would be gone, the UN said.

However, the head of Unep, Inger Andersen, said it was misguided to fixate only on whether the 1.5C target was kept or not, because every fraction of a degree of global heating avoided would save lives, damage and costs: “Don’t over-focus on a magic number. Keeping temperature as low as possible is where we need to be.”

The finance and technology to slash emissions exists, Andersen said, but “political courage” was needed, particularly from the G20 nations (excluding the African Union) that cause 77% of global emissions.

Andersen said the world’s nations made strong climate promises at the Paris summit in 2015. “Now is the time to live up to that – it’s climate crunch time for real. We need global mobilisation on a scale and pace never seen before, starting right now, or the 1.5C goal will soon be dead and the ‘well below 2C’ target will take its place in the intensive care unit.”

Unep’s last two annual reports highlighted “the closing window” for action and the “broken record” of failed promises. “Now we’re saying, this is it,” she said.

“The irritating thing is technology is there for the grasping, as are the job and economic development opportunities,” Andersen said. “It just takes political courage and some strong leadership.”

The UN secretary general, António Guterres, said: “We’re playing with fire; but there can be no more playing for time. We’re out of time.” He said global heating was supercharging monster hurricanes, bringing biblical floods, turning forests into tinder boxes and cities into saunas.

“Governments must wean us off our fossil fuel addiction: showing how they will phase them out – fast and fairly,” he said, adding that levies on fossil fuels could help pay for climate action.

The Unep report found that faster rollout of solar and wind energy could provide 27% of the emissions cuts needed. “That’s massive and this is a cheap, proven technology – it’s not a gamble to invest in,” Andersen said.

Stopping the destruction of forests could bring another 20% cut, the report said. Much of the rest could come from energy efficiency and the electrification of buildings, transport and industry, as well as cutting methane emissions from fossil fuel facilities, which Andersen described as “not hard”.

The estimated investment needed to cut emissions to net zero is $1-2tn a year, according to the report, about 1% of the value of the global economy and financial markets. “We’re talking a couple of percentage points that would be incremental in terms of renewal of ageing infrastructure” in developed countries, said Andersen. But developing countries would need finance from rich nations, a topic at the top of the Cop29 agenda.

The global geopolitical situation was difficult, acknowledged Andersen, with conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine, and tensions between western nations and Russia and China. But she said: “If there is a space where the world has been able to meet, it is really the environment space.”

She cited a recent G20 meeting of environment and climate ministers. “These are not the best friends, all of them, and yet they managed to have a [good] communique.” She said there had been significant green policy shifts in the US, China, Germany, India and Brazil, but a a much greater effort was required.

“The sooner we strike out hard for a low-carbon, sustainable and prosperous future, the sooner we will get there – which will save lives, save money and protect the planetary systems upon which we all depend,” she said.

“World leaders continue to drag their feet, protecting the interests of the fossil fuel industry, while people are suffering right now. At Cop29, leaders must respond and act on their fair share of responsibility – especially wealthier nations who have fuelled this crisis for decades,” said Harjeet Singh, at the Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty Initiative.

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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2024, 11:51:20 PM »
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The Unep report found that faster rollout of solar and wind energy could provide 27% of the emissions cuts needed. “That’s massive and this is a cheap, proven technology – it’s not a gamble to invest in,” Andersen said.

Stopping the destruction of forests could bring another 20% cut, the report said. Much of the rest could come from energy efficiency and the electrification of buildings, transport and industry, as well as cutting methane emissions from fossil fuel facilities, which Andersen described as “not hard”.

If they would agree on starting on all this low hanging fruit that would be a win...

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The Unep report found that faster rollout of solar and wind energy could provide 27% of the emissions cuts needed. “That’s massive and this is a cheap, proven technology – it’s not a gamble to invest in,” Andersen said.

Stopping the destruction of forests could bring another 20% cut, the report said. Much of the rest could come from energy efficiency and the electrification of buildings, transport and industry, as well as cutting methane emissions from fossil fuel facilities, which Andersen described as “not hard”.

If they would agree on starting on all this low hanging fruit that would be a win...

All these things we are doing anyway — well, except the forests — and will do more of as the tech becomes cheaper, and it’s seen as just ‘the way things are done today.’  Good news.
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2024, 08:26:28 AM »
The COP16 Biodiversity meeting was a failure.

Now we see the absence of many world leaders at the about to begin COP29, and the US delegation will be the ghost at the feast.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/06/von-der-leyens-cop29-absence-sends-fatal-signal-say-watchers
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Von der Leyen’s Cop29 absence sends ‘fatal signal’, say watchers

MEPs express concern for EU climate leadership as commission head confirms she will miss Baku summit


Ursula von der Leyen’s decision to miss the Cop29 climate summit is “a fatal signal” and raises questions about Europe’s commitment to the climate crisis, observers have said.

The European Commission confirmed on Tuesday that its president would not attend the UN climate talks in Baku, which start on Monday. “The commission is in a transition phase and the president will therefore focus on her institutional duties,” a spokesperson said.

Also skipping the “world leaders’ climate action summit” on Tuesday and Wednesday are France’s Emmanuel Macron and the outgoing US president, Joe Biden. The Brazilian president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, cancelled his participation due to a head injury, Reuters reported. The leaders of China, South Africa, Japan and Australia are expected to miss the talks as well.

Michael Bloss, a German Green MEP, also in the delegation, said it was “a fatal signal” that Europe’s most powerful woman, along with other leaders, had chosen not to attend.

Referring to Azerbaijan’s strongman president, Ilham Aliyev, Bloss said: “By leaving the stage to autocrats like Aliyev, we risk turning the conference more and more into a greenwashing spectacle for self-promotion rather than genuine climate action.”
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2024, 07:04:50 PM »
COP29 ambience getting murkier and murkier....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/08/cop29-ceo-filmed-agreeing-to-facilitate-fossil-fuel-deals-at-climate-summit
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Cop29 CEO filmed agreeing to facilitate fossil fuel deals at climate summit

Elnur Soltanov recorded speaking with fake oil and gas group that asked for deals in exchange for sponsoring talks


Helena Horton Environment reporter
Fri 8 Nov 2024 13.18 GMT

The chief executive of Cop29 has been filmed apparently agreeing to facilitate fossil fuel deals at the climate summit.

The recording has amplified calls by campaigners who want the fossil fuel industry and its lobbyists to be banned from future Cop talks.

The campaign group Global Witness posed undercover as a fake oil and gas group asking for deals to be facilitated in exchange for sponsoring the event.

In the calls, Elnur Soltanov, Azerbaijan’s deputy energy minister and chief executive of Cop29, agreed to this and spoke of a future that includes fossil fuels “perhaps for ever”. Cop officials also introduced the fake investor to a senior executive at the national oil and gas company Socar to discuss investment opportunities.

Soltanov told the fake investment group: “I would be happy to create a contact between your team and their team [Socar] so that they can start discussions.” Shortly after that they received an email from Socar.

The UN framework convention on climate change (UNFCCC), the UN body that oversees Cop, says officials should not use their roles “to seek private gain” and it expects them to act “without self-interest”.

On the recording, Soltanov tells the fake oil and gas group: “There are a lot of joint ventures that could be established. Socar is trading oil and gas all over the world, including in Asia.”

He then described natural gas as a “transitional fuel”, adding: “We will have a certain amount of oil and natural gas being produced, perhaps for ever.” At Cop28 last year, the countries involved agreed to transition away from fossil fuels, and the UN body the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is clear that developing new oil and gas fields is incompatible with climate goals signed up to in the Paris agreement.

The Cop29 team also appeared willing to waive climate requirements for the company if it sponsored the event. Cop event sponsors are supposed to commit to cutting their emissions and are expected to sign a “national pledge”, promising to come up with a “credible net zero transition plan” at some point over the next two years.

However, during the negotiations, these requirements were waived and a new clause was added to give the fake investment group “meeting opportunities with key local stakeholders from the energy sector at Cop29”.

There was a similar scandal at the Cop28 talks last year in the UAE when leaked documents revealed the host planned to use climate meetings with other countries to promote deals for its national oil and gas companies. The talks were chaired by Sultan Al Jaber, the chief executive of the national oil company Adnoc and the UAE’s climate envoy.
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2024, 07:20:17 PM »
To make things more exiting here is a drumroll:

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COP29: Will rich nations promise more money for climate change?

In 2009, the world's developed nations agreed to give $100bn (£78bn) a year to poorer nations by 2020 to help them tackle and prepare for climate change.

In the 15 years that have passed since that first goal was set, global temperatures have increased and emissions have grown - requiring trillions of dollars of investment to tackle the issue of climate change.

At the UN climate summit COP29 this year in Baku, Azerbaijan, countries will recommit to a new goal - but first they must agree how much will be given, who is contributing and how the money will be spent.

What do countries want money for?
Money for climate action broadly falls into three buckets:

Loss and damage

Two years ago, at COP27, world leaders agreed for the first time to establish a loss and damage fund.

This money is to help developing countries recover from the effects of climate change they are already suffering.

For example, in the past 12 months alone the developing world has experienced severe climate-related crises - from flooding in Myanmar to ongoing drought in East Africa.

It took decades to get this fund established because developed nations were wary of framing the payments as reparations and accepting liability for climate change on these terms.

... details see article ...

What has been given so far?
In 2009, richer countries agreed to provide $100bn (£78bn) a year to developing nations for climate action by the end of 2020.

But by the end of that year the total was $83.3bn (£65bn) - the goal was finally reached three years later.

The majority, 82%, of this money came from public funds, with the remainder from the private sector, according to the OECD.

But analysis, commissioned by the UN, suggests the private sector could deliver 70% of future investments needed to meet climate commitments. A coalition of more than 550 private firms have already committed to use $130tn of assets to help achieve net zero.

One study in 2018 estimated that developing countries would suffer between $290bn - $580bn (£226bn - £451bn) in damages by 2030, another put the cost at $400bn (£311bn). It is difficult to predict the exact amount, but it is clear the current size of the fund is too small to tackle the issue.

...

What might countries agree in Baku at COP29?
Negotiations on the new quantified goal have been happening for months between governments.

At the heart of these talks is how much money should be given.

Many studies have tried to put a figure on it - the G77+ China alliance of developing countries has previously said at least $1.3tn (£1.14tn) needs to be mobilised by 2030.

A UN committee on finance tried to combine all these estimates and earlier this year put the number as high as $6.9tn.

It is unlikely a figure in that region will be announced at Baku. Developed nations including the UK, have recently raised concerns they may not meet their previous pledges because of ongoing domestic economic issues.

...

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63478446

So lots of talk of money and stalemates or lacklustre results.

It is not going to do anything for climate but maybe there will be real gas groups...
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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2024, 04:50:29 PM »
To make things more exiting here is a drumroll:

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COP29: Will rich nations promise more money for climate change?
Rich nations are already spending money for climate change - trouble is, the wrong sort of climate change.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/13/no-sign-of-promised-fossil-fuel-transition-as-emissions-hit-new-high
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‘No sign’ of promised fossil fuel transition as emissions hit new high

Despite nations’ pledges at Cop28 a year ago, the burning of coal, oil and gas continued to rise in 2024


There is “no sign” of the transition away from burning fossil fuels that was pledged by the world’s nations a year ago, with 2024 on track to set another new record for global carbon emissions.

The new data, released at the UN’s Cop29 climate conference in Azerbaijan, indicates that the planet-heating emissions from coal, oil and gas will rise by 0.8% in 2024. In stark contrast, emissions have to fall by 43% by 2030 for the world to have any chance of keeping to the 1.5C temperature target and limiting “increasingly dramatic” climate impacts on people around the globe.

The world’s nations agreed at Cop28 in Dubai in 2023 to “transition away” from fossil fuels, a decision hailed as a landmark given that none of the previous 27 summits had called for restrictions on the primary cause of global heating. On Monday, the Cop28 president, Sultan Al Jaber, told the summit in Baku: “History will judge us by our actions, not by our words.”

The new data comes from the Global Carbon Budget project, a collaboration of more than 100 experts led by Prof Pierre Friedlingstein, at the University of Exeter, UK. “The impacts of climate change are becoming increasingly dramatic, yet we still see no sign that burning of fossil fuels has peaked. Time is running out and world leaders meeting at Cop29 must bring about rapid and deep cuts to fossil fuel emissions.”
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2024, 10:43:24 PM »
What a way to start COP29

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpqd1rzw9r4o
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Oil and gas are a 'gift of God', says COP29 host



The president of COP29’s host country has told the UN climate conference that oil and gas are a "gift of God".

Azerbaijan's President Ilham Aliyev criticised "Western fake news" about the country's emissions and said nations "should not be blamed" for having fossil fuel reserves.

The country plans to expand gas production by up to a third over the next decade.

Shortly afterwards, UN chief António Guterres told the conference that doubling down on the use of fossil fuels was "absurd".

He said the "clean energy revolution" had arrived and that no government could stop it.
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2024, 07:54:32 PM »
UN climate talks 'no longer fit for purpose' say key experts

The United Nations' COP climate talks are "no longer fit for purpose" and need an urgent overhaul, key experts including a former UN secretary general and former UN climate chief have said.

In a letter to the UN, senior figures say countries should not host the talks if they don’t support the phase out of fossil energy.

...

But while the authors of this letter recognise these achievements, they feel that the slow-moving COP process is “no longer fit for purpose” in dealing with a fast-moving climate crisis.

"Its current structure simply cannot deliver the change at exponential speed and scale, which is essential to ensure a safe climate landing for humanity," said its signatories. They include former UN Secretary General Ban-Ki Moon, former UN climate chief Christiana Figueres and former president of Ireland Mary Robinson.

The authors are concerned that the current COP process is not able to make change happen quickly or able to force countries to act.

At last year’s COP28 meeting in Dubai all countries agreed to “transition away from fossil fuels in energy systems.”

But 12 months later emissions of warming gases have increased once again, up by almost 1%.

Scientists say these emissions need to fall by 42% by the end of this decade to avoid a global temperature rise in excess of 1.5C, considered the threshold to far more dangerous impacts than we are seeing at present.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2lknel1xpo

Better late then never...
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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2024, 08:07:37 PM »
Possible other configurations for meetings:

Possible to limit climate change to 1.5°C, if EU and 17 other countries go beyond their own targets


A new study in Nature Communications finds that limiting global warming to 1.5 °C is still possible, but some countries require support to meet their climate responsibilities. An "additional carbon accountability" indicator is introduced, revealing that the EU and 17 other countries must exceed their own current targets to achieve this global goal.

The new study proposes an indicator -- additional carbon accountability -- that quantifies countries' responsibility for mitigation and carbon dioxide removal in addition to achieving their own targets. Aside from further domestic reductions, this additional carbon accountability requires financing carbon removal, or emission reductions outside their territories.

A pressing question at the ongoing 29th annual UN Climate Conference (COP29) in Baku, Azerbaijan, is how to transition away from fossil fuels and speed up climate mitigation in line with the 1.5C global warming target. To address this, the new study by researchers from Stockholm University, Chalmers University of Technology, and Uppsala University, quantifies how much each country should reduce or remove carbon dioxide emissions beyond their current national commitments.

"The ambition of this article is to suggest opportunities to enhance climate fairness and close the mitigation gap in the real world, based on the Paris Agreement," says lead author Thomas Hahn, from the Stockholm Resilience Centre at Stockholm University.

The study quantifies each country's equal share of the remaining 1.5C carbon budget based on equal per capita historic emissions since 1990 and share of the remaining carbon budget. This is then compared to countries' actual carbon debts and future emissions targets, creating an "additional carbon accountability" indicator.

The study identifies 18 high-income and upper-middle-income countries that should be accountable for increasing their ambitions to stay within their equal per capita share of the global carbon budget for 1.5 °C. (Note that the EU is here counted as one country). Additional carbon accountability is highest for the United States and China, and highest per capita for the United Arab Emirates, Russia, Saudi Arabia and the United States.

"While there is no agreement on how to operationalize the fairness principles of the Paris Agreement, the new indicator provides an important tool to clarify the responsibility for the remaining mitigation gap in the context of the ongoing climate talks," explains co-author Johannes Morfeldt from Physical Resource Theory, Department of Space, Earth and Environment, at Chalmers University of Technology.

In general, high-income countries have large carbon debts while several upper-middle income countries have high future emissions. Four of the 18 countries could theoretically fulfil their accountability with stricter domestic emission reductions.

"14 of these 18 countries have a larger accountability than planned future emissions, meaning they would need to increase ambitions for carbon dioxide removal or for emission reductions in other countries, in addition to stricter emissions reductions," says co-author Ingo Fetzer, from Stockholm Resilience Centre, Stockholm University.

As an example, besides reaching its 2030 reduction target and net zero by 2050, the EU would need to remove an additional 48 Gt carbon dioxide (gigatonnes, or billion metric tonnes) or finance additional reductions beyond current targets in other countries. For China, the additional carbon accountability is 150 Gt and the USA 167 Gt.

"Our study shows that it's high time for the European Union to enhance its climate targets, instruments, and financing, to take responsibility for its fair share of a global carbon budget compatible with the Paris Agreement," says co-author Mikael Karlsson from Climate Change Leadership, Department of Earth Sciences, at Uppsala University.

The study shows that the ability to pay is not uniform. Several BRICS+ nations, particularly Iran and Russia, may struggle economically to meet their additional responsibilities, in contrast to G7 members.

"Our results highlight that meeting the 1.5C target to a large extent is reliant on large historic emitters like the EU and the US paying off their historic carbon debts, and countries with plans for future large emissions, like China and Iran, setting stricter reduction targets," adds co-author Robert Höglund.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/11/241112123259.htm

Maybe add this:

At the moment, the richest one per cent of the world's population produces 50 times more greenhouse gasses than the four billion people in the bottom 50 per cent.

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The analysis reveals how different consumer behaviours contribute to planetary transgressions, and concludes that if the world's top 20 per cent of consumers shifted their consumption habits toward more sustainable patterns found within their group, they could reduce their environmental impact by 25 to 53 per cent. The study also shows that changing consumption patterns in just the food and services sectors could help bring critical planetary boundaries back within safe limits.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/11/241113123119.htm
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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2024, 10:55:07 PM »
History indicates that the gap between what could've been done to address climate change and what was done is large.

In the future will the gap between what can been done to address climate change and what will be done increase? stay the same? narrow?

Will COP29 give us a clue?
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History indicates that the gap between what could've been done to address climate change and what was done is large.

In the future will the gap between what can been done to address climate change and what will be done increase? stay the same? narrow?

Will COP29 give us a clue?
COP29 hopefully made people realize how insane it is to have a petro state organize a climate summit filled with oil people.
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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2024, 11:28:25 PM »
Argentina's President Milei threatens to dump Paris Climate Accord.

He was the first foreign Head of State to meet Trump after the Nov 5 election (at Mar-a-Lago).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/15/argentina-milei-paris-climate-accord
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Fears grow that Milei will withdraw Argentina from Paris climate accord

Far-right president may announce country’s departure from agreement after meeting Donald Trump


Javier Milei attends the America First Policy Institute gala at Mar-A-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, on Thursday. Photograph: Carlos Barría/Reuters

There is growing concern that Argentina’s far-right president, Javier Milei, is set to announce his country’s departure from the Paris climate accord.

Earlier this week, negotiators from Milei’s government were ordered to leave the Cop29 climate summit in Baku, Azerbaijan, after just three days. Now, the Guardian understands that Milei is considering announcing a formal withdrawal from the agreement, and that a decision could be made after a formal meeting with Donald Trump.

On Thursday, Milei, a prolific climate science denier, became the first world leader to meet Trump after his election at his residence in Mar-a-Lago, Florida, where the Argentinian president took photos with the US president-elect, Elon Musk and Robert F Kennedy Jr before giving a keynote address. On Friday Milei was attending an investor conference organized by the Conservative Political Action Conference at Trump’s Palm Beach residence.

Milei has previously called the climate crisis a “socialist lie” and pledged to withdraw Argentina from the Paris agreement to limit global heating to below 2C during his campaign last year, but he subsequently backed down. Trump has already pledged to withdraw the US from the climate accord for the second time after he pulled out in 2016, when no other countries followed.

Trump is expected to set in motion a second US withdrawal soon after he is sworn in as US president on 20 January. His allies are pushing for a more permanent US exit from the Paris deal, and potentially even the underlying United Nations climate framework.

“President Trump can certainly announce his intention to withdraw the US from the Paris agreement, but he should take it a step further and submit the treaty to the Senate, which is what has supposed to happen in the first place,” said Tom Pyle, president of the conservative American Energy Alliance.

“Let the Senate decide once and for all whether the US should be a party to Paris.”

Gerardo Werthein, the Argentina’s foreign minister, told the New York Times that his country was “re-evaluating our strategy on all matters related to climate change”.

Observers said that Argentina’s potential departure would face strong domestic opposition. Oscar Soria, the Argentina director of the Common Initiative thinktank, said: “Milei’s environmental policy is driven by ideological biases that conflict with science and international law. His anti-Agenda 2030 framework, fuelled by misinformation and extremist doctrine, is a dangerous cocktail that is already affecting – and will continue to affect – the wellbeing of Argentinians,” he said.

“There is growing concern about the possibility of Argentina leaving the Paris agreement. However, such a move will not be easy to implement. Milei cannot withdraw from the Paris agreement with stroke of a pen. He will need the approval of the Argentinian parliament to do so. Argentina ratified the Paris agreement in 2016, and all international treaties ratified by the country hold constitutional status,” he said.

In the coming days, Emmanuel Macron is expected to meet with Milei in Buenos Aires ahead of the G20 summit in Brazil amid tensions between the EU and South America about a potential trade deal between the EU and the Mercosur bloc.

“Global climate action will continue, with or without Argentina. This was proven true in the case of the United States when Trump decided to leave the Paris agreement in 2017. Many far-right leaders have underestimated the Paris agreement before. This group seems destined to do the same,” Soria said.
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2024, 11:39:05 PM »
It's all getting a bit yuk - completely overt pandering to the Fossil Fuel Bosses

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/15/fossil-fuel-bosses-get-the-red-carpet-at-cop29-despite-concerns-over-influence
Fossil fuel bosses get ‘red carpet’ at Cop29 despite concerns over influence

Revealed: more than 100 executives given special guest badges as activists challenge role of oil and gas firms at talks


The host country of this year’s UN climate summit, Azerbaijan, has rolled out “red carpet” treatment to fossil fuel bosses and lobbyists, the Guardian can reveal.

At least 132 oil and gas company senior executives and staff were invited to the Cop29 summit, and had special badges denoting they were guests of the presidency.

That was equivalent to red-carpet treatment at a UN climate summit, Cop experts told the Guardian. Holders of the special host country badges include the head of Saudi oil company Aramco and the chief executive of BP.

The revelations came as some of the world’s most senior voices on the climate raised concerns over the influence of the global fossil fuel industry and petrostates at the UN talks, which reached their midway point on Friday night. Countries are gathered in Baku, Azerbaijan’s capital, to establish ways of raising the cash that developing countries need to cut their greenhouse gas emissions and cope with the impacts of the climate crisis.
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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2024, 04:13:53 AM »
Climate leaders were worried Trump would derail talks. They didn’t know their host would be the wrecking ball

https://www.cnn.com/2024/, 11/15/climate/cop29-azerbaijan-ilham-aliyev-chaos/index.html

CNN, By Angela Dewan, November 15, 2024

From the moment the US election results rolled in, climate leaders knew Donald Trump would be a blow to the COP29 talks in Baku. What they didn’t foresee was the demolition job Azerbaijan’s own leader would do from the inside.

In what should be one of the most urgent meetings of the year — aimed at slowing a global crisis fast spiraling out of control — the talks have descended into a circus of boycotts, political tirades and fossil fuels celebrations. Its host, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, has been its spectacular ringmaster.

Amid the chaos, prominent global climate leaders on Friday issued an open letter (https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/15/climate/cop29-azerbaijan-ilham-aliyev-chaos/index.html) calling for a “fundamental overhaul” of the entire UN climate process. It was originally published saying the annual talks, known as Conferences of the Parties (COPs), were “no longer fit for purpose,” but that language was quickly removed.

A spokesperson for Sandrine Dixson-Declève, co-president of The Club of Rome — which published the letter — told CNN the edit was made because the authors’ “constructive criticism” had been seized upon by some parties to further their own interests at the talks, though she didn’t name any party in particular.

But the edit doesn’t change the idea that the talks are, indeed, losing their sense of credibility.

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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2024, 04:56:52 AM »
Climate leaders were worried Trump would derail talks. They didn’t know their host would be the wrecking ball

https://www.cnn.com/2024/, 11/15/climate/cop29-azerbaijan-ilham-aliyev-chaos/index.html

CNN, By Angela Dewan, November 15, 2024
That link is dead. Here's the full article.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/15/climate/cop29-azerbaijan-ilham-aliyev-chaos/index.html

Happy they are realizing what's going wrong at the COPs.
Not sure they can fix it though.
I've given up on the COPs.
It's game over.
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« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2024, 12:42:41 AM »
There are 3 classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see

Insensible before the wave so soon released by callous fate. Affected most, they understand the least, and understanding, when it comes, invariably arrives too late

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« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2024, 04:34:30 AM »
Al Gore was pretty damn good at the COP.

This is the website they talked about.
https://climatetrace.org/explore

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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2024, 06:56:39 PM »
Free, I listened but the video without the graphics in the PowerPoint make this a terrible example of a science based talk.
And to Gores claim that the earth will quit warming when we quit emitting is dependent on both the terrestrial sink and the ocean sink to continue to operate near perfection. Already over the last eight years the terrestrial sink is beginning to falter. The ocean sink will also have bigger problems within a few decades. So no the earth will not draw down the atmospheric emissions excesses and the system may not operate to exonerate our pushing the sinks towards failure , for thousands of years IMO.

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« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2024, 04:37:16 AM »
Free, I listened but the video without the graphics in the PowerPoint make this a terrible example of a science based talk.
And to Gores claim that the earth will quit warming when we quit emitting is dependent on both the terrestrial sink and the ocean sink to continue to operate near perfection. Already over the last eight years the terrestrial sink is beginning to falter. The ocean sink will also have bigger problems within a few decades. So no the earth will not draw down the atmospheric emissions excesses and the system may not operate to exonerate our pushing the sinks towards failure , for thousands of years IMO.
I agree. I think they're only saying that to give people hope, and not make them feel like we're already doomed. I also believe in the carbon lag. But some people say that doesn't exist. Would love to see us debate that one day.

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Our results suggest that as CO2 accumulates in the atmosphere, the full warming effect of an emission may not be felt for several decades, if not centuries.
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/10/3/031001

On the other hand, we can't get to net-zero without CDR. So the day the earth becomes carbon-neutral, will be the day we should start to see carbon levels drop. And then when they drop, the ocean will start releasing. So it's going to take a vert long time before we bring temperatures back down. The chance of success is very low, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

And yes, the graphics were sadly missing. But I loved his energy. He's really angry, and it's about time someone got angry.
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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2024, 09:07:51 PM »
To achieve CDR on a sufficient scale must surely include big changes to land use.. But..... food sector lobbyists will probably not lobby for the sort of land use change required, and they are successfully inserting themselves into the official COP process.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/19/hundreds-of-lobbyists-for-industrial-farming-attend-cop29-climate-summit
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Hundreds of lobbyists for industrial farming attend Cop29 climate summit

Nearly 40% of food sector lobbyists have travelled to Baku as part of countries’ delegations



A JBS facility in Brazil. JBS, the world’s largest meat company, has representatives in Baku. Photograph: Bloomberg/Getty Images

Hundreds of lobbyists for industrial agriculture are attending the Cop29 climate summit in Baku, analysis shows.

They include representatives from some of the world’s largest agribusiness companies including the Brazilian meatpacker JBS, the animal pharmaceuticals company Elanco, and the food giant PepsiCo, as well as trade groups representing the food sector.

Overall, 204 agriculture delegates have accessed the talks this year, analysis by DeSmog and the Guardian reveals. While the total number has dropped compared with the record highs at Cop28, the figures show climate Cops remain a top priority for businesses working in agriculture, a sector that accounts for up to a third of global greenhouse gas emissions.

Food sector lobbyists remain highly influential, and have travelled to Baku as part of country delegations from Brazil, Russia and Australia, among others. This year, nearly 40% of delegates travelled to the summit with country badges, giving them privileged access to diplomatic negotiations, up from 30% at Cop28, and just 5% at Cop27.

Delegates from the meat and dairy sector sent 52 delegates to the summit this year, with 20 travelling with Brazil’s government, the analysis found. They outnumbered the delegation of the Caribbean island of Barbados, which in July was devastated by Hurricane Beryl, a disaster linked to climate breakdown.

Meat and dairy producers are coming under greater scrutiny due to increasing pollution from cattle and sheep, which emit about a third of the global output of methane. Farming also relies on synthetic fertilisers that are both fossil fuel-based and emit greenhouse gases, and drive deforestation.

But while studies point to the need for a drastic drop in meat and dairy production and a shift to climate-friendly farming, the agribusiness industry has lobbied hard against tougher environmental laws, in the EU, the US and at climate summits.

An Lambrechts, a senior campaign strategist from Greenpeace International, said there was a clear “conflict of interest” between big agriculture’s presence at the talks and the need for climate action.

“We see the same conflict of interest with the fossil fuel industry and how they act to drive the world away from the scope of actions and solutions that are needed to fight climate change and address its impacts,” she said.

Wanun Permpibul, from Climate Watch Thailand, said: “When Big Agriculture dominates the discussion, the voices of frontline communities – especially smallholder farmers, Indigenous peoples, women, and local food producers – are systematically excluded. Yet these are the people who have been living in harmony with nature for generations, using traditional knowledge to manage ecosystems, preserve biodiversity, and sustain local food systems.”

Those present on the ground from the agriculture industry include JBS, the world’s largest meat company, which sent three delegates to Baku. The world’s largest global food company, Nestlé, and the world’s second largest pesticides company, Bayer, have also sent delegates.

Brazil, the host of next year’s climate summit, was a major funnel for agricultural giants this year. That has sparked concerns over the sway agribusiness may hold over Cop30, which many see as an opportunity for ambitious food systems reform.

The Brazilian government brought in 35 agriculture lobbyists, including more than 20 representatives of the meat companies JBS, BRF and Marfrig, as well as powerful industry groups such as the Association of Brazilian Beef Exporters.

Russia brought the second largest number of big agriculture lobbyists, with 13 delegates from the fertiliser industry. Synthetic fertilisers are the leading driver of nitrous dioxide emission, a greenhouse gas that is 200 times more powerful than carbon dioxide and which is rising at unprecedented levels in the atmosphere.

Australia was next in line, with five representatives of the National Farmers Federation, which has publicly opposed measures to curb methane from animal agriculture.

Permpibul was concerned by the findings. “By bringing in a large contingent of lobbyists from Big Agriculture, Brazil is sending a message that protecting corporate interests takes precedence over addressing the climate crisis,” she said..................

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« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2024, 09:43:32 PM »
Synthetic fertilisers are the leading driver of nitrous dioxide emission, a greenhouse gas that is 200 times more powerful than carbon dioxide and which is rising at unprecedented levels in the atmosphere.
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Pesticides and fertilisers – much of which are used to support the growth of crops for industrial animal agriculture – are often derived from fossil fuels and have had major negative impacts on biodiversity, soil and water health.
What is wrong with this world? I get so angry about this. Just use rock dust as fertilizer!!! grrrr
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« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2024, 08:41:44 PM »
While they are wrangling about the money for poorer countries for climate adaptation, resilience etc, the drive to reduce CO2 emissions by a "transition away from fossil fuels" agreed at COP28 seems to be at risk.

https://www.ecowatch.com/cop29-fossil-fuel-transition-agreement-saudi-arabia.html
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COP29: Nations Struggle With Fossil Fuel Transition Agreement as Saudi Arabia Poses ‘Wrecking Ball’

COP29 talks, including the landmark deal on “transitioning away from fossil fuels” agreed upon at last year’s negotiations, had to be prevented from collapse after Saudi Arabia and other developing countries expressed opposition.

Over the weekend, nations failed to come to an agreement and it was decided that talks would be postponed until next year, reported Climate Home News.

That is, until President of COP29 Mukhtar Babayev announced on Monday that a plenary had been making an effort to restore negotiations, bolstered by the potential for a promising outcome at the meeting of the Group of 20 major economies (G20) in Baku.

“COP29 cannot and will not be silent on mitigation. We will address the matter [in] every direction,” Babayev said, addressing the plenary, as Climate Home News reported.

Governments have been struggling to reaffirm the commitment to make the transition away from fossil fuels in new agreements this year. Notably, the language was absent in a decision on biodiversity made at COP16 in Cali, Colombia, last month. Reports also suggested it was a struggle getting the wording included in the G20 ministerial statement.

Mitigation language, including the essential “transitioning away from fossil fuels,” is currently mentioned in the new draft text of the collective quantified climate finance goal, according to Argus Media.

During the final week of the COP29 climate talks, Saudi Arabian diplomats have been working to stymie agreements that renew the pledge to transition from oil, gas and coal, according to negotiators, as reported by The New York Times.

“Maybe they’ve been emboldened by Trump’s victory, but they are acting with abandon here,” said Alden Meyer, senior associate with London-based climate research organization E3G, who is attending the talks in Azerbaijan. “They’re just being a wrecking ball.”

Negotiators said Saudi Arabia has been working all year to frustrate the agreement made by 200 countries in 2023 to move away from climate warming fossil fuels, even though they signed onto it, five diplomats said anonymously.

Joanna Depledge, a University of Cambridge climate negotiations expert, called the Saudi Arabian government’s opposition to climate action “blatant and brazen.”

“Whereas the U.S. might disagree strongly on something, they are usually well argued with some legal justification,” Depledge said, as The New York Times reported. “But with the Saudis it’s literally a flat ‘no’ with no attempt to really justify or listen, or it uses procedural arguments that waste time.”

Manuel Pulgar-Vidal, climate and energy lead at WWF and former COP president, said energy transition finance will be a major factor in moving mitigation forward, as developing countries push for funding, reported Climate Home News.

“After a faltering first week, Parties now have a second chance to work together and build consensus around the climate solutions we need to reduce emissions quickly. It is essential that this COP sends a strong signal that countries need to raise their game on emission reductions,” Pulgar-Vidal expressed in a statement.
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« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2024, 08:45:34 PM »
Some extracts from the Guardian's COP29 blog

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2024/nov/21/cop29-live-draft-texts-negotiations-climate-crisis
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Closing summary
We’re winding up the Cop liveblog for the day. It kicked off this morning with new draft texts that were published overnight to howls of dismay.

The main events:

Countries reacted with anger to the Cop29 draft text for its lack of numbers on climate finance and lack of progress on cutting pollution

The Cop29 presidency defended the draft and promised concrete figures as of Thursday evening

The UN Secretary-General warned that “failure is not an option”

UK politicians clashed over the country’s commitment to climate targets

Saudi Arabia’s long-running defence of fossil fuels spilled out into the open

Coal-rich Indonesia announced plans to phase out all fossil fuel power plants by 2040

Those are the key points we covered today. We’ll be back with you tomorrow morning for another day of live coverage on what should be – but very likely won’t be – the final day of negotiations.

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Saudi Arabia opposition to targeting of fossil fuels breaks into the open
Damian Carrington
At UN climate Cops, oil-rich Saudi Arabia is a persistent obstructor of action to cut the burning of fossil fuels, which drives the climate crisis. It’s been described as a “wrecking ball” at Cop29. But it usually works behind the scenes, in the private negotiations.

Today it said it out loud, in the plenary session where nations were setting out their many objections the deal texts currently on the table.

“The Arab group will not accept any text that targets any specific sectors, including fossil fuels,” said Albara Tawfiq from the Saudi delegation.


The row is about reaffirming the pledge to “transition away from fossil fuels”, made at last year’s Cop28 in the UAE. Many countries want to do this, in order to maintain its political momentum.

But China also said it opposed an explicit mention of the fossil fuel pledge, contained in paragraph 28 of the UEA deal. “There should be no singling out of a single paragraph,” China’s delegate told the gathered nations. Bolivia’s delegate, Diego Pacheco, also spoke against it: “Developed countries continue trying to impose on developing countries a prescriptive and intrusive approach” to cutting emissions.

However, most countries do want to reinforce the calls at Cop28 to transition away from fossil fuels and boost renewable energy, and some appeared angry in the plenary.

Is going into overtime at these conferences a strategy of the rich countries?

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UN climate summits tend to run into overtime, sometimes lasting long into the weekend. Tina Stege, climate envoy for the Marshall Islands, says that’s a real problem for many negotiators.

“A lot of us, we don’t have the luxury of extending [our trips], paying for tickets to change, paying for additional hotel rooms,” she said. “Most countries like mine, we can’t do that, so it’s very hard if it gets pushed.”
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« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2024, 03:37:48 PM »
In theory, this is the last day of COP29 but.. in Baku it is already 6.30pm in the evening and I guess they are still shouting at each other.

If history is a guide, the poorer countries will have to accept what is on offer or leave with nothing.

The Final Communiqué (tonight, tomorrow? Sunday?) will be interesting - if the real sense can be extracted from the self-congratulatory Blah Blah.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2024/nov/22/cop-29-live-poor-countries-may-have-to-compromise-on-climate-funding-says-former-un-envoy
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Cop 29 live: new draft text criticised as ‘totally unacceptable and inadequate’
It is fair to say the reaction to the new text from civil society groups has been overwhelmingly negative. There are a few more here – some again suggesting developing countries walk away – the key thing now is to hear what countries say. It could be a bruising afternoon.

Mariana Paoli, from Christian Aid, said:

It is baffling that despite everyone knowing all year that this was the ‘finance COP’, rich countries are still refusing to put substantial enough funding pledges on the table. This is irresponsible, immoral and risks condemning both people and planet. Developing countries would be better walking away from the table than signing up to this garbage.

“With hours to go, unless significant changes are made to the text, especially the amount of finance to be provided, developing countries will be left behind. The funding that the global south is fighting for here is a lifeline and will lay the groundwork for climate action over the next decade.

Victor Menotti, US coordinator for the Global Campaign to Demand Climate Justice, told the Guardian:

“The big thing people are looking for is that quantum, the core of public financing, go up from the 100 billion years ago. Now what we’re seeing, 250 billion, is in current dollars about the same amount of money when you consider inflation and all of that. So it’s something between a joke or an insult…. The trillion is a big number. It’s more than the Pentagon budget. But what’s important is the public resources that are going to leverage that money.

Stephen Cornelius, from WWF said:

The climate finance text is completely inadequate. It now has a finance target, but it completely misses the mark. The amount is far too low, and rich countries don’t even commit to delivering all of it. This simply will not be good enough, and I expect there will be fireworks when countries meet later. We need a core of public finance closer to US$1 trillion. There is too much at stake for this process to end in a bad deal that doesn’t deliver the necessary finance. This is an investment in our collective future.

Dr Vaibhav Chaturvedi, senior fellow, Council on Energy, Environment and Water in India said:

The 1.3 trillion USD number is at best a sham. Even the apparent increase in the provision from developed world to developing world of USD 250 Bn USD annually by 2035 is the same as the 100 Bn USD by 2020 if 6% annual average inflation is accounted for. There is no grant or low cost finance component. This is a bad deal for the developing world, irrespective of how it is going to be portrayed by the presidency.

"Outrageous, evil and remorseless" - Panama's view on text
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Reaction to the latest Cop29 negotiating texts from countries is starting to arrive. Panama’s lead negotiator Juan Carlos Monterrey Gómez, who gave a barnstorming speech yesterday, is absolutely furious:

“The $250bn offered by developed countries is a spit on the face of vulnerable nations like mine. They offer crumbs while we bear the dead. Outrageous, evil and remorseless.”
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« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2024, 05:50:36 PM »
It´s in line with earlier results. The money that came through a year ago or so was mostly development aid which is now only green aid.



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« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2024, 06:15:43 PM »
Blatant last-minute skulduggery at COP29?  Looks like this COP could end badly.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/23/revealed-saudi-arabia-accused-of-modifying-official-cop29-negotiating-text
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Revealed: Saudi Arabia accused of modifying official Cop29 negotiating text

Exclusive: News of changes to usually non-editable document ‘risks placing climate summit in jeopardy'


Sat 23 Nov 2024 14.49 GMT

A Saudi Arabian delegate has been accused of directly making changes to an official Cop29 negotiating text, it can be revealed.

Cop presidencies usually circulate negotiating texts as non-editable PDF documents to all countries simultaneously, and they are then discussed. Giving one party editing access “risks placing this entire Cop in jeopardy”, one expert said.

Oil-rich Saudi Arabia is regarded by many as a persistent obstructor of action at UN climate summits to cut the burning of fossil fuels and has been described as a “wrecking ball” at Cop29.

Earlier on Saturday, a document was circulated by the Azerbaijani presidency with updates to the negotiating text on the just transition work program (JTWP). This aims to help countries move to a cleaner and more resilient future, while reducing inequalities.

The document was sent with “tracked changes” from the previously circulated version. In two cases, the document showed edits were made directly by Basel Alsubaity, who is from the Saudi ministry of energy and the lead on the JTWP. It was not sent to other countries to edit, the Guardian was told.

One of the changes deletes a section of text reading “encourages parties to consider just transition pathways in developing and implementing NDCs, NAPs and LT-LEDSs that are aligned with the outcome of the first global stock take and relevant provisions of the Paris agreement”. (NDCs are nationally determined contributions, NAPs are national adaptation plans and LT-LEDs are long-term low emission development strategies.)

Catherine Abreu, the director of the International Climate Politics Hub and a Cop veteran, said: “All parties need to see presidency texts during this process as the negotiations proceed and this is generally done by circulating non-editable PDF documents to all parties simultaneously.

“Giving one party editing access to these documents, and a party known for its objective of rolling back the historic global agreement made last year to transition away from fossil fuels to renewable energy and energy efficiency, suggests a worrying lack of independence and objectivity, and clearly contravenes both the spirit and the rules of this process,” she said. “This kind of behaviour from a presidency risks placing this entire Cop in jeopardy.”

Two groups – the Alliance of Small Island States and the Least Developed Countries – walked out of a key meeting on Saturday, saying they were not being consulted by the presidency.

The German foreign minister, Annalena Baerbock, speaking on Saturday before the editing revelation, said: “We are in the midst of a geopolitical power play by a few fossil fuel states. We will not allow the most vulnerable, especially the small island states, to be ripped off by the few rich fossil fuel emitters who have the backing, unfortunately, at this moment of the president [of Cop29].”

A 2023 report by the Climate Social Science Network concluded: “One nation has had an outsized role in undermining progress at global climate negotiations, year after year: Saudi Arabia. The fossil fuel giant has a 30-year record of obstruction and delay, protecting its national oil and gas sector and seeking to ensure UN climate talks achieve as little as possible, as slowly as possible.

“Riyadh’s envoys are among the most active across all tracks of UN climate talks, frequently pushing back on efforts to curb fossil fuels,” it said. “Despite increased temperatures across Saudi Arabia and falling groundwater supplies, Riyadh has shown little sign of shifting strategy.”

The Cop29 presidency, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and the Saudi delegation have been contacted for comment.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2024/nov/23/cop29-talks-go-into-overtime-as-countries-wrangle-over-finance-deal-live-coverage
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While the plenary carries on, Carbon Tracker are concerned that the talks are about to collapse completely.

Richard Folland, head of policy and engagement (and in Baku) said:

“With the talks on the verge of collapse at the eleventh hour the outcome of this COP is deeply disappointing, shockingly so on the key climate finance objective and on accelerating the transition away from oil, gas and coal. Strangled by the second highest attendance of fossil fuel lobbyists on record in Baku and with progress simultaneously blocked by oil and gas producer voices at G20 in Rio, this COP has taken us dangerously backwards on collective climate action as extreme weather events take their toll.

“It also raises the stakes acutely on the next round of NDCs, which will have to seize the moment if we are to have the slimmest chance of keeping to 1.5C this decade. It will also put a huge amount of pressure on Brazil and their Presidency of COP30 next year. Governments will need to submit ambitious NDCs and show how they can really deliver. An orderly transition to avoid climate chaos and financial meltdown is possible, but the time for it to happen is quickly ebbing away. The time for any more backsliding has passed.

“The suggestion that “decarbonising” the extraction and processing of fossil fuels will solve climate change is essentially a myth. Fossil fuels must be phased out to meet our climate goals. Action on operational oil and gas emissions – especially methane - is also critical. Yet current corporate targets have significant shortcomings, and thus underestimate the impact of corporates’ activities: generally they do not fully reflect methane’s role in driving short term warming and almost universally exclude emissions from non-operated assets in which companies have an equity stake.”
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« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2024, 08:25:54 PM »
It isn't so surprising. The last COP also didn't bring much new. With Trump 's election (a challenge for multilateralism according to Angela Merkel) and the reduced influence of the green parties in the EU, we probably shouldn't expect too much of the politicians the next years.
Looks like grassroots work will be needed the next  years.

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« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2024, 10:53:39 AM »
So as usual a deal is made
- a good or bad compromise?
- commitment to "transition away from fossil fuels" is weakened,
- poor countries should see the flow of funds to address climate change increase, but when and how much,
- not an adequate response to an existential crisis.
- Trump presidency casting a pall over the proceedings.

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Cop29 agrees $1.3tn climate finance deal but campaigners brand it a ‘betrayal’

Deep divisions remain after high-stakes talks end with agreement to help developing world shift to low-carbon economy


Fiona Harvey, Adam Morton, Dharna Noor and Damian Carrington
Sat 23 Nov 2024 23.47 GMT

Rich and poor countries concluded a trillion-dollar deal on the climate crisis in the early hours of Sunday morning, after marathon talks and days of bitter recriminations ended in what campaigners said was a “betrayal”.

The developing world will receive at least $1.3tn (£1tn) a year in funds to help them shift to a low-carbon economy and cope with the impacts of extreme weather, by 2035.

But only $300bn of that will come in the form they are most in need of – grants and low-interest loans from the developed world. The rest will have to come from private investors and a range of potential new sources of money, such as possible levies on fossil fuels and frequent flyers, which have yet to be agreed.

Mohamed Adow, director of the Power Shift Africa thinktank, said: “This [summit] has been a disaster for the developing world. It’s a betrayal of both people and planet, by wealthy countries who claim to take climate change seriously. Rich countries have promised to ‘mobilise’ some funds in the future, rather than provide them now. The cheque is in the mail. But lives and livelihoods in vulnerable countries are being lost now.”

Some of the world’s poorest and most vulnerable countries fought hard during two weeks of fraught negotiations at the Cop29 UN summit in Azerbaijan’s capital Baku for a bigger slice of the money to come directly from developed countries. They also wanted more of the available finance to go to the countries most in need, instead of being shared with bigger emerging economies, such as India.

Two groups of particularly vulnerable nations, the Alliance of Small Island States and the Least Developed Countries, walked out of one meeting in protest late on Saturday afternoon, but later returned.

The talks were high-stakes from the start, as they opened just days after Donald Trump won re-election as US president. Trump intends to withdraw the US from the Paris agreement when he takes office in January and is likely to be hostile to providing any climate finance to the developing world.

Faced with the prospect of reconvening next year with a Trump White House in place, many countries decided that failure to agree on a new financial settlement in Baku was too much of a risk.

Developed countries insisted they could not offer any more, owing to their own budgetary constraints. “We will shoulder all the risk” if the US fails to contribute to climate finance in future, pointed out one negotiator.

Many developing world countries, including India, Bolivia, Cuba and Nigeria, reacted furiously to the deal.

Green campaigners also slammed the deal. Claudio Angelo, of the Observatorio do Clima in Brazil, said: “Rich countries spent 150 years appropriating the world’s atmospheric space, 33 years loitering on climate action, and three years negotiating [a financial settlement] without putting numbers on the table. Now, with the help of an incompetent Cop presidency and using the forthcoming Trump administration as a threat, they force developing countries to accept a deal that not only doesn’t represent any actual new money but also may increase their debt.”

India raised last-minute objections but failed to prevent it from being gavelled through by the Cop president, Azerbaijan’s environment minister Mukhtar Babayev. The country said it “could not accept” the settlement.

The host country was strongly criticised for its running of the Cop. Oil and gas make up 90% of Azerbaijan’s exports and fossil fuel interests were highly visible at the talks.

Saudi Arabia also played a highly obstructive role, according to many insiders. In one extraordinary development, a Saudi official attempted to alter one key text without full consultation. The petro-state also tried repeatedly to remove references to the “transition away from fossil fuels” which was agreed at last year’s Cop28 summit.

“It was clear from day one that Saudi Arabia and other fossil fuel-producing countries were going to do everything in their power to weaken the landmark Cop28 agreement on fossil fuels. At Cop29 they have deployed obstructionist tactics to dilute action on the energy transition,” said Romain Ioualalen, of the pressure group Oil Change International.

The US and China – the world’s two biggest economies, and biggest emitters of greenhouse gases – are normally key nations at the annual “conference of the parties” (Cop) under the UN framework convention on climate change. But neither played much of a public role in Baku, allowing other countries to drive the talks. The US delegation is still made up of officials from Joe Biden’s administration, but the looming presidency of Donald Trump cast a pall over their participation.

The deal will mean China will contribute to climate finance for the poor world voluntarily, unlike rich countries which are obliged to provide cash.

Ani Dasgupta, chief executive of the US-based World Resources Institute thinktank, said: “Despite major headwinds, negotiators in Baku eked out a deal that at least triples climate finance flowing to developing countries [from a previous longstanding goal of $100bn a year]. The $300bn goal is not enough, but is an important down payment toward a safer, more equitable future. The agreement recognises how critical it is for vulnerable countries to have better access to finance that does not burden them with unsustainable debt.”
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« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2024, 11:17:44 AM »
So as usual a deal is made
What to think about the side deal, that we now have a global carbon trade mechanism? Does that mean that we have a global carbon tax now? That would be amazing on its own, but I'm not reading happy comments about it from Greenpeace. So what am I missing? Isn't this what we wanted?

COP29 agrees deal to kick-start global carbon credit trading

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/sustainable-finance-reporting/cop29-agrees-deal-kick-start-global-carbon-credit-trading-2024-11-23/

BAKU, Nov 23 (Reuters) - Countries agreed a deal at the COP29 climate conference on Saturday on rules for a global market to buy and sell carbon credits that proponents say will mobilise billions of dollars into new projects to help fight global warming.

The agreement, clinched roughly a decade after international talks on forming the market began, hinged on how to ensure credibility in the system so it can reliably lead to reductions in greenhouse gas emissions driving climate change.

Carbon credits are created through projects such as planting trees or putting up wind farms in a poorer country that receive one credit for every metric ton in emissions that they reduce or suck out of the atmosphere. Countries and companies can buy those credits to help reach their climate goals.

After striking an agreement early in the two-week conference that will allow a centralised U.N. trading system to launch as soon as next year, negotiators spent much of the rest of their time in Azerbaijan trying to hammer out details of a separate bilateral system for countries to trade directly.

Details to be worked out included how a registry to track credits would be structured, as well as how much information countries should share about their deals and what should happen when projects go wrong.

Among the strongest voices was the European Union calling for stricter U.N. oversight and greater transparency over trades between nations, while the United States sought more autonomy over the deals struck.

The COP29 presidency had published a draft deal ahead of the agreement that proposed allowing for some countries to issue carbon credits through a separate registry system, without that amounting to a U.N. seal of approval.

The final text was a compromise after the EU secured registry services for countries that can't afford to set up their own ledgers for issuing and tracking credits, while the U.S. ensured that a transaction merely being recorded on such a registry does not qualify as a U.N. endorsement of the credits.

By agreeing that the registry would not determine a credit's quality or endorse issuers, the EU had "gone way out of its way to accommodate the U.S.", said Pedro Barata, who tracked the talks for the non-profit Environmental Defense Fund.

"It's still a viable international trading system... even if some people will say it has no teeth."
While shoring up a global market for carbon credits was a key focus of talks in Baku, bilateral trading began in January when Switzerland bought credits from Thailand and dozens of other countries have already made agreements to transfer credits.

But those deals remain limited and striking the right balance on a clear set of rules to ensure integrity and transparency without limiting countries' ability to participate should prompt a pick-up in deal flow.

IETA, a business group that supports an expansion of carbon credit trading, has said a U.N.-backed market could be worth $250 billion a year by 2030, and count towards offsetting an extra 5 billion metric tons of carbon emissions annually.
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« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2024, 01:38:33 PM »
So as usual a deal is made
What to think about the side deal, that we now have a global carbon trade mechanism? Does that mean that we have a global carbon tax now? That would be amazing on its own, but I'm not reading happy comments about it from Greenpeace. So what am I missing? Isn't this what we wanted?


A big problem with credits is double counting. If you have a barrel of oil, you claim a credit for not burning it in 2025. But in 2026 you still  have that barrel of oil, so you claim another credit for not burning it.

Same with credits for not cutting down forests. You claim a credit in 2025, but then in 2026 you claim the credit again.

Same with credits for planting forests. You claim a credit for planting a forest in 2025, but in 2028 it dies or burns down in a drought and you claim another credit for planting it again.

I don't see anything in the reporting that suggests these loopholes have been addressed, and that means its easily scammed and is a lot more useful for greenwashing than supporting a carbon tax.

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« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2024, 01:55:47 PM »
So as usual a deal is made
What to think about the side deal, that we now have a global carbon trade mechanism? Does that mean that we have a global carbon tax now? That would be amazing on its own, but I'm not reading happy comments about it from Greenpeace. So what am I missing? Isn't this what we wanted?


A big problem with credits is double counting. If you have a barrel of oil, you claim a credit for not burning it in 2025. But in 2026 you still  have that barrel of oil, so you claim another credit for not burning it.

Same with credits for not cutting down forests. You claim a credit in 2025, but then in 2026 you claim the credit again.

Same with credits for planting forests. You claim a credit for planting a forest in 2025, but in 2028 it dies or burns down in a drought and you claim another credit for planting it again.

I don't see anything in the reporting that suggests these loopholes have been addressed, and that means its easily scammed and is a lot more useful for greenwashing than supporting a carbon tax.
Ok, I get that. But it's a good start, no? We just need to fine-tune it now. Buy ERW carbon credits.
We all know by now that tree planting isn't going to save us. So let's spend those credits on technologies that work.

It's a start. A deal that we never could achieve before. So let's keep building on that. People always want perfection from the start. I think that's wrong. Don't be woke and demand perfection. Just work with what's possible today, and make it better for tomorrow.
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« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2024, 02:44:44 PM »
The main thing that matters is how much fossil carbon we keep adding. Ideally all main producers and users should get together and agree on a hard cap to growth and decline in that area on a really short time scale. This will not happen but all the rest is nonsense or relatively unimportant.

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« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2024, 02:52:18 PM »
Its not just a matter of fine tuning. To make it work, Brazilian ranches have to be made unprofitable. Indonesian palm oil plantations have to be made unprofitable. Greenpeace have it right when they go after companies that use the products from them.

Political support for carbon credits relies on these save/plant the forest ideas that are actually only any good for greenwashing. Something that only the G7 have the resources and technology to implement isn't going to get through COP, the rest of the world wants a piece of the action too, and at the moment what they are getting is a pay-off for participating in rich world greenwashing.

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« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2024, 02:58:01 PM »
The main thing that matters is how much fossil carbon we keep adding. Ideally all main producers and users should get together and agree on a hard cap to growth and decline in that area on a really short time scale. This will not happen but all the rest is nonsense or relatively unimportant.
It's the economy, stupid.
Renewables are cheaper now than fossil fuels. Without 7 trillion in subsidies.
That's why Texas is installing more renewables than California.
Business people are adding up the numbers, and they're installing renewables.
We can't stop this anymore.

The problem is overshoot, because we still need fossil fuels today. We started too late.
And so we have to extract carbon until we don't need them anymore.
Carbon credits are a good place to start. No?
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