COP29

[Freegrass]

Indonesian palm oil plantations have to be made unprofitable. Greenpeace have it right when they go after companies that use the products from them.

We have precision fermentation now to make palm oil. So there's always another way.

Big brands invest in precision fermentation-derived palm oil

Although still not approved for food applications, big brands such as Unilever and Doehler are investing in precision fermentation-derived palm oil in a bid to reduce the environmental impact associated with this conventional palm oil.

https://www.ingredientsnetwork.com/big-brands-invest-in-precision-fermentation-news123560.html

[Richard Rathbone]

The main thing that matters is how much fossil carbon we keep adding. Ideally all main producers and users should get together and agree on a hard cap to growth and decline in that area on a really short time scale. This will not happen but all the rest is nonsense or relatively unimportant.

It's the economy, stupid.
Renewables are cheaper now than fossil fuels. Without 7 trillion in subsidies.
That's why Texas is installing more renewables than California.
Business people are adding up the numbers, and they're installing renewables.
We can't stop this anymore.

The problem is overshoot, because we still need fossil fuels today. We started too late.
And so we have to extract carbon until we don't need them anymore.
Carbon credits are a good place to start. No?

We are a long, long way away from overshoot. Other things we do with fossil fuels have to be electrified, the infrastructure has to be built to move the electrons around so those things can be done. The technology has to be developed so that doing those things with electricity is cheaper than with gas. Thats where the effort and  the subsidy should go, not in assisting the likes of Aramco and Exxon getting another decade of profit under cover of greenwash.

[kassy]

It's the economy, stupid.

No that is the narrative they gets fed to you via TV and other media.

Nobody wants to stop this but the big question is if it is all soon enough and if we are doing it quickly enough and many hints in the Earth system tells us it is not. Then we have the simple replacement graphs. Coal down with Nat Gas up with solar and wind sort of keeping up with growth.

This problem is too big to solve as a market thing. We do not know where the points of no return are and you cannot just change a dial or push on a brake.

Business aims for money not actual solutions. Carbon credits will yield nice results on paper which do not exist in the real world.

The measures always have side effects like planting the wrong trees for the location just because they count while an ecologically centered approach could do more in the long term and capture more carbon.

Also

After nearly 10 years of debate, COP29’s carbon trading deal is seriously flawed

egotiators at the COP29 climate conference in Baku have struck a landmark agreement on rules governing the global trade of carbon credits, bringing to a close almost a decade of debate over the controversial scheme.

The deal paves the way for a system in which countries or companies buy credits for removing or avoiding greenhouse gas emissions elsewhere in the world, then count the reductions as part of their own climate efforts.

Some have argued the agreement provides crucial certainty to countries and companies trying to reach net-zero through carbon trading, and will harness billions of dollars for environmental projects.

However, the rules contain several serious flaws that years of debate have failed to fix. It means the system may essentially give countries and companies permissions to keep polluting.

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https://theconversation.com/after-nearly-10-years-of-debate-cop29s-carbon-trading-deal-is-seriously-flawed-244493

[Florifulgurator]

Al Gore was pretty damn good at the COP.
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This is quite an understatement!

Free, I listened but the video without the graphics in the PowerPoint make this a terrible example of a science based talk.
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Here is the professionally produced video including slides. Ol Al is awesome.

[John_the_Younger]

Interesting that Gore I could watch at 1.5x speed while McCormick I had to slow to 1.25x.  Yes, Gore was great, and with enough mis-statements (call them verbal typos) to please any naysayer.

Some of his "facts" some of us here might question, but his drive is entirely well focused. Go Go Gore!

[Freegrass]

Al Gore was pretty damn good at the COP.
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This is quite an understatement!

Free, I listened but the video without the graphics in the PowerPoint make this a terrible example of a science based talk.
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Here is the professionally produced video including slides. Ol Al is awesome.

Thanks for that! It was much more enjoyable to watch it again with all the slides.

A while ago, someone on this forum asked who historically had the most impact on the climate crisis, and my answer was Al Gore and Greta. And I stand by my choice, with Al Gore on top. He's amazing. This new Climate Trace is a great tool he created. I just wish he'd make another new film that has as much impact as his first. It's been almost 20 years now (2006), and his second film wasn't really all that good.

The world needs a good waking up call again.

https://climatetrace.org/