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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1400 on: June 13, 2019, 03:20:57 PM »
Another flipped iceberg.


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« Reply #1401 on: June 13, 2019, 03:30:25 PM »
Mordor?

No, Petermann glacier.

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1402 on: June 13, 2019, 08:04:17 PM »
A frantic baby elephant makes a dash for the Bering Strait.

Climate Change is scary, and no white elephant.

Okay, I will stop now...

Worldview June 12, 2019.

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1403 on: June 14, 2019, 12:11:11 PM »
noctilucent cloud

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1404 on: June 14, 2019, 01:09:27 PM »
re 1400: that is one gorgeous looking iceberg, thx!

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« Reply #1405 on: June 14, 2019, 02:39:23 PM »
Welcome, Kassy! :)

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1406 on: June 14, 2019, 06:17:10 PM »
This is the largest "melt pond" I have ever seen on the internet. This photo was taken on the NW coast of Greenland. Stunning.

https://twitter.com/RasmusTonboe
@SteffenMalskaer got the difficult task of retrieving our oceanographic moorings and weather station on sea ice in North West Greenland this year. Rapid melt and sea ice with low permeability and few cracks leaves the melt water on top.

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1407 on: June 14, 2019, 06:41:38 PM »
And how can any sensor way up there deal with a melt lake like that down here?
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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1408 on: June 14, 2019, 09:05:58 PM »
Amazing image.    Got to ask... when we see deep blue on the fast ice on Worldview... is this sometimes what we are looking at???


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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1409 on: June 15, 2019, 05:45:50 AM »
Any suggestions for naming shallow melt water on top of ice? I got nothing.

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« Reply #1410 on: June 15, 2019, 06:13:39 AM »
Amazing image.    Got to ask... when we see deep blue on the fast ice on Worldview... is this sometimes what we are looking at???

Yes. 

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« Reply #1411 on: June 15, 2019, 06:47:10 AM »
... when we see deep blue on the fast ice on Worldview... is this sometimes what we are looking at???



On worldview, it looks like pic 1
On Sentinel, it looks like this pic 2 (this picture is taken 2 days before, i selected it because of the cloudiness, on 13th it's all blue.)
On RAMMB Slider, in Natural Colour, it looks like pic 3
On RAMMB Slider, in Geo Colour, it looks like pic 4

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1412 on: June 15, 2019, 07:15:38 AM »
The sea ice at Utqiagvik is breaking up. There was a group standing on shore watching earlier.


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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1413 on: June 15, 2019, 11:23:44 AM »
Any suggestions for naming shallow melt water on top of ice? I got nothing.
Up here in Canuckistan we call that Zamboni Tailings.

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1414 on: June 16, 2019, 09:26:27 AM »
From a newspaper that changed its mind about AGW not very long ago (but is still pretty vile) a stunning set of photos and drone footage.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7099091/Rodger-Price-films-stunning-blue-Iceberg-melt-pond-coast-Bacon-Cove-Newfoundland.html

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« Reply #1415 on: June 16, 2019, 09:32:16 AM »
Woah! 😍

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1416 on: June 16, 2019, 11:08:58 AM »
Do I see an iceberg in an iceberg?

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« Reply #1417 on: June 16, 2019, 04:33:12 PM »
A frantic baby elephant makes a dash for the Bering Strait.


It's a duck now. :)

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1418 on: June 16, 2019, 09:54:10 PM »
That makes sense, on the one hand, Oren. On the other, it doesn't explain why it works for me. ;)

As revealed previously, one should not use img to embed mp4s within a post. Use url (hyperlink) instead. From my testing, img embedding only worked on Safari mac.
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« Reply #1419 on: June 16, 2019, 10:20:07 PM »
That's good to know. Thank you Ice Shieldz.

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1420 on: June 16, 2019, 10:29:00 PM »
Any suggestions for naming shallow melt water on top of ice? I got nothing.

In Swedish it's called flödvatten (flowwater).

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1421 on: June 16, 2019, 11:00:28 PM »
This is what an overturned iceberg looks like



That's astonishing. It has bits of sharp rock (igneous?) embedded in it. There's got to be some serious history there.

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1422 on: June 17, 2019, 03:13:00 AM »
Any suggestions for naming shallow melt water on top of ice? I got nothing.

In Swedish it's called flödvatten (flowwater).

We call it overflow. It is also a regular occurrence here in winter, it happens when a stream or lake freezes to the bottom and ground water is forced to the surface. It can be quite deep, and, as one can imagine, very unpleasant in winter.

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1423 on: June 17, 2019, 10:41:28 PM »
Interstitial, Midnightsun & Sebastian,


I believe that what you are referring to is called sheet flow. It happens from time to time on frozen soils, frozen rivers and even large deltas, as we have seen earlier this year.

In this particular case, I am convinced that the melting of snow happened in situ, hence we should not use the "flow" term.

Instead, I would suggest a new term: "Sheet melt". The first reference I could find alluded to the near complete melt taking place over the Greenland ice sheet in 2012. Other allusions could be found related to the melt water incidents preceding the collapse of some of the Antarctic ice shelves.

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« Reply #1424 on: June 17, 2019, 10:56:48 PM »
Interstitial, Midnightsun & Sebastian,


I believe that what you are referring to is called sheet flow. It happens from time to time on frozen soils, frozen rivers and even large deltas, as we have seen earlier this year.

In this particular case, I am convinced that the melting of snow happened in situ, hence we should not use the "flow" term.

Instead, I would suggest a new term: "Sheet melt". The first reference I could find alluded to the near complete melt taking place over the Greenland ice sheet in 2012. Other allusions could be found related to the melt water incidents preceding the collapse of some of the Antarctic ice shelves.

while your point may make sense, i don't think that it makes much sense to discuss terms for things that happend for centuries or more and have been given their proper names in various regions. at  least this is what i understood, those terms are established terms.

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1425 on: June 17, 2019, 11:35:38 PM »
Magnamentis,

I am not questioning the meaning of well-estalished local terms. I am suggesting a new generic term for a new phenomenon.

Cheers P

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« Reply #1426 on: June 18, 2019, 02:35:56 AM »
Magnamentis,

I am not questioning the meaning of well-estalished local terms. I am suggesting a new generic term for a new phenomenon.

Cheers P

but it's not new, why do you think there is anything new except the number of events at the same time while the kind of event has probably existed at all times ?

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1427 on: June 18, 2019, 03:02:58 AM »
The beaches are open in Utqiagvik!   They actually opened last night under what appeared to be a light rain or mist. 

I hope I am not be redundant if someone else has already posted this.  I checked the normal threads and did not see anything. 

I know lots of people enjoy watching the Utqiavik (formerly Barrow) sea ice cam.  This shot is interesting because you can see a boat where just a few hours ago fast I’ve still covered the area. 
« Last Edit: June 18, 2019, 03:18:03 AM by Rod »

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« Reply #1428 on: June 18, 2019, 03:29:33 AM »
Interesting to note the new(ish) berm that's been built by the beach to protect the houses behind it from intrusions of sea water driven by waves.

That by itself is an acknowledgement of just how much things have changed.
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« Reply #1429 on: June 18, 2019, 04:16:19 AM »
They built that last summer.  I watched with interest because the bank in front of that house on the left is actually quite steep.

They piled up the heavy stuff on top, but from what I could see the base is still unprotected.  Sea walls in Alaska are a big deal because of the melting permafrost. 

I’m afraid this one is not going to last very long. 

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« Reply #1430 on: June 18, 2019, 05:51:48 AM »
Ha, I was just going to make that exact post!! It's crazy how all of the sea ice in Barrow more or less disappeared overnight. All of the images have been incredible on this page - I thank all of you for posting/sharing. Ugg, quite bittersweet tho, I don't know why but I just have a bad feeling about how this season will end.
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« Reply #1431 on: June 18, 2019, 05:58:36 AM »
I have no doubt melt ponds and such have happened long before humans first walked on this planet. Unfortunately I don't speak Swedish, Russian, Inuit, or any other language at this time. I am not sure it would even catch on let alone replace any existing term in another language.  It was interesting to learn the translation of the Swedish term though. Calling it a melt pond while it will do in a pinch seems in adequate when it is the size of a lake. Melt lake doesn't seem quite right to me either. Calling it flow water when it doesn't flow seems a little off to me personally. Zamboni tailings would seem to be talking more about melt ponds imo besides its informal at best. We don't have to come up with a new term I just thought it would be fun.

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« Reply #1432 on: June 18, 2019, 03:00:38 PM »
Found on Reddit, not sure if the Arctic. Edit: of course not Arctic, there are trees!

But it's freaking awesome...


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« Reply #1433 on: June 18, 2019, 03:36:43 PM »
Interstitial, Midnightsun & Sebastian,


I believe that what you are referring to is called sheet flow. It happens from time to time on frozen soils, frozen rivers and even large deltas, as we have seen earlier this year.

In this particular case, I am convinced that the melting of snow happened in situ, hence we should not use the "flow" term.

Instead, I would suggest a new term: "Sheet melt". The first reference I could find alluded to the near complete melt taking place over the Greenland ice sheet in 2012. Other allusions could be found related to the melt water incidents preceding the collapse of some of the Antarctic ice shelves.

No, flödvatten is what happens in springwinter (the 5th season up here) when the air is above freezing, the sun has reappeared and the snow melts on top of solid ice, and there can also be water pressing up from underneath later in the season. It's what's called melt ponding here on ASIF but I think the use of the word pond is a bit strange, since it can be anything from a puddle to a lake size.

Maybe "over-ice melt water" is more correct? Bit of a bother. OIMW  ;D?

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« Reply #1434 on: June 18, 2019, 04:31:14 PM »
Interesting to note the new(ish) berm that's been built by the beach to protect the houses behind it from intrusions of sea water driven by waves.

That by itself is an acknowledgement of just how much things have changed.

finally we know why that door is always open, it serves as a fast escape route in case of flooding by storm surges. ;) ;) ;)

i wanted to post that last night but was lazy and sure someone would do that, thanks.

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« Reply #1435 on: June 18, 2019, 05:04:00 PM »
< This shot is interesting because you can see a boat>
I wonder whose boat it is....

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« Reply #1436 on: June 18, 2019, 05:11:22 PM »
Hahahaha :D

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« Reply #1437 on: June 18, 2019, 11:20:44 PM »
Found on Reddit, not sure if the Arctic. Edit: of course not Arctic, there are trees!

But it's freaking awesome...

It might be Lake Baikal. Similar amazing photos here, here, and here.
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« Reply #1438 on: June 19, 2019, 12:50:41 AM »
This is the largest "melt pond" I have ever seen on the internet. This photo was taken on the NW coast of Greenland. Stunning.

https://twitter.com/RasmusTonboe
@SteffenMalskaer got the difficult task of retrieving our oceanographic moorings and weather station on sea ice in North West Greenland this year. Rapid melt and sea ice with low permeability and few cracks leaves the melt water on top.

 Very deserving so this image has gone global via the BBC, no wonder this image is no longer available here. It can be seen in it's jaw dropping'ness (?) here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48674797

top quotes from this report

"Steffen Olsen, a climate scientist at the Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI), took the photo on 13 June as these warming conditions reached their peak

If only

"On that day, Greenland is estimated to have lost the equivalent of 2bn tonnes of ice. Temperatures, according to the European Centre for Medium-range Weather Forecasting, were around 22C above normal the day before. In the village of Qaanaaq, a high of 17.3C was recorded. "

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« Reply #1439 on: June 19, 2019, 01:07:04 AM »
If only

"On that day, Greenland is estimated to have lost the equivalent of 2bn tonnes of ice. Temperatures, according to the European Centre for Medium-range Weather Forecasting, were around 22C above normal the day before. In the village of Qaanaaq, a high of 17.3C was recorded. "


the clouds indicate "foehn" winds which may play a role in the high temps as well. "foehn" winds in the alps can cause temps around 20C in january, 15-20C above normal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foehn_wind

https://www.google.com/search?q=foehn+clouds&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=NwQSWEAWX1s7EM%252CmNfKLxklGlVQiM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kS5X9eB35-RHPCX6Bwr2-17VEQ0Ug&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtrIL9kfTiAhWqAmMBHT5vCvgQ_h0wdHoECGAQBA&biw=1866&bih=1016#imgrc=NwQSWEAWX1s7EM:&vet=1

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=anabatic+winds&chips=q:anabatic+wind,g_1:katabatic,online_chips:katabatic+flow&usg=AI4_-kQtuHWJmM9ov2mRX1F2H2Q1vqAWbw&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj19-7DkvTiAhUHFRQKHY_3D5oQ4lYILigC&biw=1866&bih=1016&dpr=0.9

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« Reply #1440 on: June 19, 2019, 01:16:33 AM »
If only

"On that day, Greenland is estimated to have lost the equivalent of 2bn tonnes of ice. Temperatures, according to the European Centre for Medium-range Weather Forecasting, were around 22C above normal the day before. In the village of Qaanaaq, a high of 17.3C was recorded. "

the clouds indicate "foehn" winds which may play a role in the high temps as well. "foehn" winds in the alps can cause temps around 20C in january, 15-20C above normal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foehn_wind

https://www.google.com/search?q=foehn+clouds&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=NwQSWEAWX1s7EM%252CmNfKLxklGlVQiM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kS5X9eB35-RHPCX6Bwr2-17VEQ0Ug&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtrIL9kfTiAhWqAmMBHT5vCvgQ_h0wdHoECGAQBA&biw=1866&bih=1016#imgrc=NwQSWEAWX1s7EM:&vet=1

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=anabatic+winds&chips=q:anabatic+wind,g_1:katabatic,online_chips:katabatic+flow&usg=AI4_-kQtuHWJmM9ov2mRX1F2H2Q1vqAWbw&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj19-7DkvTiAhUHFRQKHY_3D5oQ4lYILigC&biw=1866&bih=1016&dpr=0.9

I Totally agree with that.

 It's just that it's happened pretty much every day since the start of May. 2019 is still about 3 weeks in front of 2012 the worst in  20 years (satellite history). Unprecedented is a word used too often and stinks of hyperbole but it fits this years melt in Greenland perfectly.

https://nsidc.org/greenland-today/


 
 
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« Reply #1441 on: June 19, 2019, 01:38:32 AM »
I Totally agree with that.

 It's just that it's happened pretty much every day since the start of May. 2019 is still about 3 weeks in front of 2012 the worst in  20 years (satellite history). Unprecedented is a word used too often and stinks of hyperbole but it fits this years melt in Greenland perfectly.

https://nsidc.org/greenland-today/

oh.. that was just an addition without any corrective or second meaning. i was referring to the peak while of course it's kind of permanent right now, absolutely ;)

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« Reply #1442 on: June 19, 2019, 07:54:14 AM »
might be Lake Baikal. Similar amazing photos here, here, and here.

Thanks so much for the links, Slow Wing. Very interesting!

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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1443 on: June 20, 2019, 12:59:58 PM »
The Freya glacier (Greenland) webcam is online again. Snow cover looks very bad compared to previous years.

https://www.foto-webcam.eu/webcam/freya1/

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« Reply #1444 on: June 21, 2019, 09:27:23 AM »
Barentz near Franz Josef strait.

A visual testimony to what's happening to the CAB ice as it gets shoved out past FJL and Svalbard.

Continuously thinned until at the southern edges it wisps out to nothing.
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« Reply #1445 on: June 21, 2019, 05:39:09 PM »
The Freya glacier (Greenland) webcam is online again. Snow cover looks very bad compared to previous years.

https://www.foto-webcam.eu/webcam/freya1/

Really nice webcam images - I like the temp info as well - hits 11.9C on the 16th.  Noticeable that there are lots of blue-sky days as well.

Made an animated gif for the last 30 days:

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« Reply #1446 on: June 21, 2019, 06:15:15 PM »
Thank you Tom, great gif.

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« Reply #1447 on: June 21, 2019, 08:15:22 PM »
I wonder whose boat it is....

I am transcribing old whaling records for sea ice research  https://www.oldweather.org/shipping_office.html


This record is from the Lucretia of New Bedford for August 6th 1883, she is stuck at Point (or Cape) Barrow
watching the ice clostley as yet sea no sines of it breaking up close packed around the Point

https://archive.org/details/lucretiasteambar00lucr/page/142

Its interesting to see how the melting has changed since then



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Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« Reply #1448 on: June 22, 2019, 05:32:46 PM »
Not exactly in Arctic, but south of Laptev sea, the forest fires wich are sending smoke and ice on the Arctic are inducing pyrocumulus (pyrocumuluses ?, sorry, english is not my first language).
On the picture below, you can observe 2 beautiful ones.
You can see there is some instability over the area, but above the forest fires, clouds are much more powerful, and smoke is escaping from them. I don't know if the cumulus are powerful enough to trigger rain (probable), and rain intense enough to estinguish the fires beneath.





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« Reply #1449 on: June 22, 2019, 09:09:06 PM »
An uncanny cloud face appears in the South Kara Sea in this still from a Colorado State University animation.

Facing to our left, three quarter view.  It was almost shocking to see it pop up.  May be embracing a lesser deity.


BTW, this program produces terrific animations of current weather patterns, I was alerted to it by JayW on the melting thread. 

http://rammb-slider.cira.colostate.edu/?sat=jpss&z=1&im=24&ts=1&st=0&et=0&speed=130&motion=loop&map=1&lat=0&opacity%5B0%5D=1&hidden%5B0%5D=0&pause=0&slider=-1&hide_controls=1&mouse_draw=0&follow_feature=0&follow_hide=0&s=rammb-slider&sec=northern_hemisphere&p%5B0%5D=band_m08&x=13964.5&y=16288
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