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Aporia_filia

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Re: Wildlife
« Reply #300 on: July 28, 2020, 11:13:16 AM »
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" It is obvious to those who regularly work with animals that there is no sharp difference between how human minds and other minds work. Even second order thinking (thinking about thinking) which is horribly difficult to rule in or out in animals occurs on a spectrum, as we regularly observe in people."

Agree! And that gives us, people who work/live with animals enough perspective to look at those actually rejecting the fact of an animal mind, like those "scientists" at the end of the  XIX Century rejecting a mind and a soul in those
living in tribes in lost forests.

Reginald

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Re: Wildlife
« Reply #301 on: July 29, 2020, 04:15:22 AM »
Two good books on the subject:

Divorce Among The Gulls https://www.amazon.com/Divorce-Among-Gulls-Uncommon-Nature/dp/0865474265

and

The Biological Basis of Human Behavior: Forging Links between Evolution and Behavior https://www.amazon.com/Biological-Roots-Human-Nature-Evolution/dp/0195062884


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« Reply #302 on: July 29, 2020, 04:24:56 AM »
I also ran across this article about consciousness (finally one I can largely get behind!) that talks about how it may have arisen gradually over deep time, rather than only inhering in humanity and closely-related species.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/a-new-theory-explains-how-consciousness-evolved

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Re: Wildlife
« Reply #303 on: July 29, 2020, 04:39:39 AM »
If AST is correct, 300 million years of reptilian, avian, and mammalian evolution have allowed the self-model and the social model to evolve in tandem, each influencing the other. We understand other people by projecting ourselves onto them. But we also understand ourselves by considering the way other people might see us. Data from my own lab suggests that the cortical networks in the human brain that allow us to attribute consciousness to others overlap extensively with the networks that construct our own sense of consciousness.

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Re: Wildlife
« Reply #304 on: August 05, 2020, 10:21:19 PM »
The first little pack of wolves in the country, after a very very very long time. The Forestland Daltons. https://www.hln.be/in-de-buurt/houthalen-helchteren/nieuwe-beelden-opgedoken-van-vier-wolvenwelpjes~ac8d0967/