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« Reply #6200 on: January 09, 2019, 09:05:06 PM »
That's 550GWh of batteries that will require ~120% more AC electricity to charge them once or twice a week.

Won't be "~120% more AC electricity" if they are mainly powered by solar panels at homes and at charging stations. (Then it will mainly be DC electric.)

Pedantics asides, if almost all of the new power generation is renewables like wind and solar because it is cheaper than ff, is this getting us to a better position? Clearly it is, so what is the gripe?

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« Reply #6201 on: January 09, 2019, 09:58:51 PM »
2) Tesla used to use NVIDIA chips for its AutoPilot — but has now built its own chip that processes 10 times the frame rate.  (New computers and chips are to be rolled out in new [and older Hardware 2.0] cars in 2019.)
I would guess that the 10 times figure compares Tesla's new chip to Nvidia's old chip that Tesla were using. I would also guess that Nvidia has made further progress since its old chip came out a few years ago, and that the new Tesla chip vs. a new Nvidia chip would not be 10 times the frame rate.
OTOH, I would guess the Tesla chip is much cheaper for Tesla, is optimized around the specific functions they need rather than as a general solution, and probably requires less power to run.

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« Reply #6202 on: January 10, 2019, 08:07:54 PM »

Are you as equally concerned about the millions more new ICE cars that will be put on the road in the coming years, and the additional fossil fuels needed to be extracted and refined to run them, and the ten to fifteen years of those cars spewing carbon dioxide into cities and neighborhoods around the world?  I think we really ought to work as hard as we can to make that a thing of the past, as quickly as possible.


My bolding, my strikes. Short answer to the bolded is a resounding YES.
I've been an advocate for free local bus service, backed up by HSR. Free ride and drop bicycles & "freight tricycles" similar to those used in Havana.
Subways & Trolleys have their place, particularly in large, northern metropolises where cold, snow, and sleet make bicycles uncomfortable and unsafe.


Personal vehicles are finally falling out of favor in some markets with fewer having being sold in 2018 than in 2017 in a number of countries. Bicycles in the Netherlands, HSR in China, free buses in France. The solutions are staring us in our face.


We don't need better cars, we need fewer cars - and fewer parking facilities, fewer traffic lanes, fewer horns and fewer accidents.


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« Reply #6203 on: January 10, 2019, 08:23:59 PM »
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We don't need better cars, we need fewer cars - and fewer parking facilities, fewer traffic lanes, fewer horns and fewer accidents.


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I agree that we need fewer cars.  Unless you believe we can transition quickly to “no cars” I don’t understand why anyone would fight improving the cars that do exist.

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« Reply #6204 on: January 10, 2019, 08:56:22 PM »
2) Tesla used to use NVIDIA chips for its AutoPilot — but has now built its own chip that processes 10 times the frame rate.  (New computers and chips are to be rolled out in new [and older Hardware 2.0] cars in 2019.)
I would guess that the 10 times figure compares Tesla's new chip to Nvidia's old chip that Tesla were using. I would also guess that Nvidia has made further progress since its old chip came out a few years ago, and that the new Tesla chip vs. a new Nvidia chip would not be 10 times the frame rate.
OTOH, I would guess the Tesla chip is much cheaper for Tesla, is optimized around the specific functions they need rather than as a general solution, and probably requires less power to run.

Perhaps NVIDIA’s delay to 2020 is in part due to work to improve their system.  Musk makes it sound like much more than one chip is involved.

The Tesla Q2 2018 Financial Results conference call included this description of their new hardware:
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Well, thanks. Yes, I mean, essentially, the key is to be able to run the neural net at a fundamental -- at a bare metal level so that you're -- in the circuits, especially when you're the calculations in the circuits itself and not in some sort of emulation mode, which is how a GPU or CPU would operate. So you want to do basically a mass amount of localized major (inaudible) with the memory right there. So it's a huge number of very simple complications with the memory needed to straight adjust those complications right next to the circuits that are doing the matrix calculations. And the net effect is an order of magnitude improvement in the frames per second.
Our current hardware, which I'm a big fan of NVIDIA, they're great stuff, but using a GPU, primarily, it's an emulation mode. So -- and you also get choked on the bus. So the transfer between the GPU and the CPU ends up being a strain to the system. So the net effect is we're able to, with the Tesla computer, we've been in like semi-stealth mode basically for the last 2 to 3 years on this, but I think it's probably time to let the cat out of the bag because that -- the cat's coming out of the bag anyway. So it's an incredible job by Pete, as seen. It's great. One of the most advanced computer for -- designed specifically for autonomous operation. And as a rough sort of figure, whereas the current NVIDIA-based hardware can do 200 frames a second, this is able to do over 2,000 frames a second, and with full redundancy and fail over. So it's an amazing design and we're looking to increase the size of our chip team and our investment in that as quickly as possible.

I think we're at some of the best days the world, but I think we want to hold on it even more.

And it's going to cost the same as our current hardware, and we anticipate that this -- they would actually just replace those replacements, which is why we made it easy to switch out the computer. And that's all that needs to be done. If we take out one computer and plug in the next, that's it. All the connectors are compatible, and an order of magnitude more processing. And you can run all cameras at full frame rate, full resolution with a complex neural net. So it's super kickass. Thank you for doing that.

Peter Bannon, Tesla, Inc. - Director of Hardware Engineering:
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Thanks for making that and thanks for making the software. And I'd like -- basically, I wanted to introduce 3 of the key people at Tesla that are doing this. I have huge respect and admiration for you guys. And it's because of what you and your team is doing that's how we're successful in this arena.
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« Reply #6205 on: January 10, 2019, 10:09:29 PM »

I agree that we need fewer cars.  Unless you believe we can transition quickly to “no cars” I don’t understand why anyone would fight improving the cars that do exist.


Every Million$ we've spent subsidizing vehicles that only the very wealthy can afford anyway, was a Million$ not spent on free bus service for those that might decide that they really didn't need a car at all.


Infrastructure dollars spent to grow out the super charger network are infrastructure dollars not spent to improve the availability of inter-city rail service.


If limitless funding was available I'd be neutral re. the roll out of subsidized EV's. Since funding is restricted, I'd prefer that it be spent on projects that benefit the largest numbers of people.


Improving "cars that do exist" is a far cry from subsidizing new sports cars for those that can and have spent lavishly on personal transportation in the past. If better results can be had by tuning engines, installing high mileage tires or junking a Hummer, I'm on board. Free (mandated?) tuneups, subsidized HI-MI tires and cash for clunkers could "improve cars that do exist", but we need to keep the public in mind when we spend public funds.


Should we be spending to reduce the costs of the young master's new E-Bentley Convertible, or spending a similar amount buying bicycles for every obsequious drudge on the Estate?
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« Reply #6206 on: January 10, 2019, 10:20:58 PM »
Should we be spending to reduce the costs of the young master's new E-Bentley Convertible, or spending a similar amount buying bicycles for every obsequious drudge on the Estate?
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The Chinese approach is to build out a mass market for electric vehicles, and build out lots of subways and high speed electric trains and electric buses. The days of mass bicycle usage in Beijing are in the past, the drudges want a car.

https://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2018/01/20/detour-ahead-beijings-commute-second-worst-china

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« Reply #6207 on: January 10, 2019, 11:30:34 PM »
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Infrastructure dollars spent to grow out the super charger network are infrastructure dollars not spent to improve the availability of inter-city rail service.
Terry, in your post you make it sound as though funds for EVs and funds for public transport are interchangeable. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Most of the money spent on EV development and production (and superchargers) came from private stock and bond investors, and from private buyers of the cars themselves. The public funding subsidies have made up around 5%-10% of the total (maybe less, certainly not more imho), and that percentage is expected to drop quickly as subsidies are phased out. As these cars have social benefits (pollution, GHGs, made in America creating jobs, sales taxes) some of this public funding has been paid back already.
I would bet a large majority of EV supporters also support public transport in all the flavors you describe. However, the cost of such transport solutions in public funding is much higher than the public funding cost spent to jumpstart the EV revolution that imho will turn out to have made a much larger difference in the long run.

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« Reply #6208 on: January 11, 2019, 12:46:51 AM »
Car makers to spend $300 billion on EV development. Yes I had to read that number twice as well.

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The $300 billion that automakers have earmarked to put electric vehicles into mass production in China, Europe and North America is greater than the economies of Egypt or Chile

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Almost one-third of the industry’s EV spending total, about $91 billion, is being committed by the Volkswagen Group
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VW’s staggering EV budget dwarfs that of its closest competitor, Germany’s Daimler AG, which has committed $42 billion. In comparison, General Motors Co. — the No. 1 U.S. automaker — has said it plans to spend a combined $8 billion on electric and self-driving vehicles.

I have a feeling VW is going all in. $91 bn is a serious amount of money (annual sales are about $200 bn). Hopefully this means that at least the transport sector is relatively quickly going electric.

Source: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/01/10/business/vw-china-spearhead-300-billion-global-drive-make-cars-electric/#.XDfQOFxKiCg

Observation: Facit, a Swedish company making calculators. In 1970, the company had reached its peak with more than 14,000 employees worldwide. In 1971, modern Japanese-made calculators started to seriously disrupt the industry, instantly making Facit's mechanical calculators obsolete. As a result, Facit went out of business virtually overnight. In Swedish business theory, this is called "the Facit trap" (Swedish:Facitfällan), inability to follow a technology shift, even if skill and money is available.


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« Reply #6209 on: January 11, 2019, 02:08:53 AM »
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… vehicles that only the very wealthy can afford anyway …

How many times do memes like that need to be debunked?

• People who are buying a Tesla Model 3 are mostly trading in: Honda Accord, Honda Civic, Nissan Leaf, and Toyota Prius.  Not Bugatti, Maserati, or even Jaguar or Porsche.

• The Model 3 in December was the #4 top-selling car in the US, closing in on the Camry, Accord, and Civic, and beating the Toyota Corolla.  This is not rarified, exceptional-income territory!

• The average new car price in the U.S. is $36,000.  The Tesla Model 3 will soon be available for that or less.  Other EVs already are.

And the billions EV makers are spending on autonomous driving is getting us that much closer to having Autonomous Fleets that will make it possible for many more people to not own a car at all, including the less-abled who can’t drive, or even walk, or ride a bicycle, and people who live in places where a bus route makes no sense.

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Previous gas $ now go towards monthly payments, thanks!
No free electricity here - works out to be approximately 1/10th cost of fueling ICE vehicle
https://twitter.com/tonytesla4life/status/1082827131707568128

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You may not be in a position to buy a Tesla right at this moment. But one thing is for sure - even if Tesla was unable to deliver the $35k vehicle you aspired to buy, this company has done more to push down the future price of quality electric cars, regardless of make. …
https://twitter.com/tritexan/status/1079937850571919362

https://mediaroom.kbb.com/2018-02-01-Average-New-Car-Prices-Rise-Nearly-4-Percent-For-January-2018-On-Shifting-Sales-Mix-According-To-Kelley-Blue-Book
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« Reply #6210 on: January 11, 2019, 02:24:05 PM »
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...Million$ we've spent subsidizing vehicles...

The subsidies (in the form of tax breaks, etc.) for oil and gas companies are much, much larger than the subsidies for EVs.  Imagine how much more could be done if that oil money was spent on solutions, rather than continuing to make the problem the more affordable choice — for industry, and for consumers.
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« Reply #6211 on: January 12, 2019, 02:08:26 AM »
Logistical solution for the truck driver shortage?  Uber Freight has an app for that — which lowers costs, as well.
Their thirty thousand drivers can each pick routes most efficient for them and which get them back home when they want.  Minority populations are particularly well-served.  25% of Uber freight loads are booked within 30 minutes, compared to days using traditional booking methods.

Uber Freight is already lowering trucking costs after just 20 months
Jim Cramer and Lior Ron, the head of Uber Freight, address inflation in the trucking industry and how Uber's tech-forward approach is cutting logistics costs.  Video.
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/01/11/uber-freight-chief-lowering-trucking-costs-after-just-20-months.html
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« Reply #6212 on: January 12, 2019, 03:46:22 AM »
Cadillac will become GM's lead electric-car brand

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/cadillac-general-motors-electric-car-brand/

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« Reply #6213 on: January 12, 2019, 06:25:51 AM »
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...Million$ we've spent subsidizing vehicles...

The subsidies (in the form of tax breaks, etc.) for oil and gas companies are much, much larger than the subsidies for EVs.  Imagine how much more could be done if that oil money was spent on solutions, rather than continuing to make the problem the more affordable choice — for industry, and for consumers.


Couldn't agree more.
We need to subsidize clean mass transportation. Any money spent propping up personal transportation represents negative energy that must be overwhelmed before we see an end to the traffic jams that require even more paved spaces.


Ontario couldn't afford HSR, but we could afford $14,000 for each BEV sold in the province. Our buses are slow, unreliable and few in number - consequently the ridership is low and costs are high. If we continue to spend what money we have on improving our highways and subsidizing our parking we'll never see what Beijing and Dunkirk already enjoy.


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« Reply #6214 on: January 12, 2019, 11:17:14 AM »
I have a feeling VW is going all in. $91 bn is a serious amount of money (annual sales are about $200 bn). Hopefully this means that at least the transport sector is relatively quickly going electric.

Remember that part of this spend is penance for lying about Diesel emissions causing earlier deaths in the thousands world wide.

When looking at the sum being spent, it is also worth looking at the country/city timeline for banning ICE vehicles or fuelled vehicles at all.

$91bn is a reflection of the late entry and the sum required to catch up.  Tesla, on the other hand, is already in profit and has the potential to leverage the tens of billions already invested to forge ahead.

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« Reply #6215 on: January 12, 2019, 06:21:39 PM »
Cadillac will become GM's lead electric-car brand

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/cadillac-general-motors-electric-car-brand/

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For electrification, GM says that Cadillac will become the company's "lead electric vehicle brand." Cadillac will introduce a new model on GM's new EV platform. The flexible EV architecture will be able to be configured for front-, rear- or all-wheel-drive configurations, while its battery capacity will be "adjustable" for different applications.

No mention of continued Bolt sales, except as autonomous fleets. Rememer, GM loses several thousand dollars on each one sold to the public, and the US tax rebate on them will be cut in half to $3,750 in April, making a Bolt that much more expensive to the consumer.  It seems unlikely GM will support a price cut to help make up the difference, especially in non-CARB states.  Switching electrification to the higher-priced Cadillac brand should at least give them more margin to play with.
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« Reply #6216 on: January 12, 2019, 06:36:38 PM »
I have a feeling VW is going all in. $91 bn is a serious amount of money (annual sales are about $200 bn). Hopefully this means that at least the transport sector is relatively quickly going electric.

Remember that part of this spend is penance for lying about Diesel emissions causing earlier deaths in the thousands world wide.

When looking at the sum being spent, it is also worth looking at the country/city timeline for banning ICE vehicles or fuelled vehicles at all.

$91bn is a reflection of the late entry and the sum required to catch up.  Tesla, on the other hand, is already in profit and has the potential to leverage the tens of billions already invested to forge ahead.

It costs you twice as much to catch up rapidly as it does to evolve gradually.

So now it’s “spending” —— and not “burning cash, and about to go bankrupt”? ;) ::) ;D 8)

A Reuters analysis of 29 global automakers found that they are investing at least $300 billion in electric vehicles, with more than 45 percent of that earmarked for China.
https://graphics.reuters.com/AUTOS-INVESTMENT-ELECTRIC/010081ZB3HD/index.html
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« Reply #6217 on: January 12, 2019, 08:27:55 PM »
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...Million$ we've spent subsidizing vehicles...

The subsidies (in the form of tax breaks, etc.) for oil and gas companies are much, much larger than the subsidies for EVs.  Imagine how much more could be done if that oil money was spent on solutions, rather than continuing to make the problem the more affordable choice — for industry, and for consumers.

Couldn't agree more.
We need to subsidize clean mass transportation. Any money spent propping up personal transportation represents negative energy that must be overwhelmed before we see an end to the traffic jams that require even more paved spaces.

Ontario couldn't afford HSR, but we could afford $14,000 for each BEV sold in the province. Our buses are slow, unreliable and few in number - consequently the ridership is low and costs are high. If we continue to spend what money we have on improving our highways and subsidizing our parking we'll never see what Beijing and Dunkirk already enjoy.

Sounds like what you are requesting are more and better busses — electric busses, of, course — really big EVs. ;)
Which are too expensive for municipalities to buy enough to serve all the populations and locations that need them.
Which offer only limited flexibility as to scheduling and routing, or changes due to special events or circumstances.
Which don’t address the problem of last-mile transportation and how riders get to and from the bus, if walking or bicycling isn’t an option.

However, there is such a thing as “personal mass transportation.”  As you say, municipalities don’t have the money to invest in it.  But instead:  allowing, and helping, individuals to make the major investment in EVs that will someday make up a mass transportation fleet... is a less expensive option, one which serves the twin requirements of reducing emissions today while providing needed forms of transportation.

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https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-network-autonomous-ride-sharing-change-ownership-model/
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« Reply #6218 on: January 13, 2019, 09:13:12 PM »
A Volkswagen spokesman said internal quality controls for diesel cars with 1.2 liter engines, model EA189, had revealed irregularities which were now being analyzed.

VW could face recall of more cars over emissions: report
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(Reuters) - Germany's Federal Motor Transport Authority (KBA) is considering recalling more Volkswagen (VOWG_p.DE) cars due to its emissions, scandal, the Bild am Sonntag newspaper reported on Sunday.

The KBA has opened an investigation into whether a software update for 1.2-litre engine cars, including the popular Polo, enabled them to cheat emissions tests, the newspaper said, without naming its sources.

The Bild am Sonntag said prosecutors were preparing charges against unnamed Volkswagen managers for suspected fraud, noting that the company had given assurances in 2016 that the 1.2 liter engines did not use illegal emissions cheating defeat devices.

VW has had to recall hundreds of thousands of cars around the world since it admitted in Sept. 2015 to installing illegal software in diesel engines to cheat strict U.S. anti-pollution tests.

The KBA was considering forcing 30,000 affected cars in Germany off the road, although it was more likely just to order further remedial work, the newspaper said. There are 370,000 of the models under investigation in Europe in total. ...
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1P70FZ
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« Reply #6219 on: January 13, 2019, 09:43:42 PM »
Study: Volkswagen’s excess emissions will lead to 1,200 premature deaths in Europe
Countries hit hardest by automaker’s emissions scandal include Germany, Poland, France, and Czech Republic.
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In September 2015, the German Volkswagen Group, the world’s largest car producer, admitted to having installed “defeat devices” in 11 million diesel cars sold worldwide between 2008 and 2015. The devices were designed to detect and adapt to laboratory tests, making the cars appear to comply with environmental standards when, in fact, they emitted pollutants called nitric oxides, or NOx, at levels that were on average four times the applicable European test-stand limit.

While Volkswagen has issued recalls of affected vehicles in both the U.S. and Europe, scientists at MIT and elsewhere have found the excess emissions has already had an impact on public health. The team previously estimated that the excess emissions generated by 482,000 affected vehicles sold in the U.S. will cause approximately 60 premature deaths across the U.S.

Now the researchers have looked closer to Volkswagen’s home base, examining the health impact from the 2.6 million affected cars sold in Germany under Volkswagen Group’s brands VW, Audi, Skoda, and Seat. In a paper published today in Environmental Research Letters, the team reports that the manufacturer’s emissions in excess of the test-stand limit value have had a significant effect on public health not just in Germany but across Europe.

The researchers estimate that 1,200 people in Europe will die early, each losing as much as a decade of their life, as a result of excess emissions generated between 2008 and 2015 by affected cars sold in Germany. Of these premature deaths, 500 will likely occur in Germany, meaning that more than 60 percent of premature mortalities stemming from those German-sold cars will occur in neighboring countries, most notably Poland, France, and the Czech Republic.
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Barrett says that it’s not surprising that Germany, and Europe as a whole, incur higher health impacts from Volkswagen’s excess emissions, as compared to the U.S. Not only were more affected cars sold in Germany (2.6 million) than in the U.S. (482,000), differences in population density, driving behavior, and atmospheric conditions also help explain the aggravated health impacts across Europe.

For instance, Europe’s average population density is about three times higher than the U.S. average, and historical data has shown that diesel cars in Germany are driven on average 20 percent more, in terms of annual mileage, compared to the average American car that was considered in the U.S. study. In other words, there are more affected cars on the road, generating emissions that affect a higher concentration of people. ...
http://news.mit.edu/2017/volkswagen-emissions-premature-deaths-europe-0303

Edit:  this article is from 2017.
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« Reply #6220 on: January 14, 2019, 11:36:18 PM »
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[Electric buses] are too expensive for municipalities to buy enough to serve all the populations and locations that need them.

We must change the nature of "the locations", so that they are served by nearby transport hubs. In addition we should travel less.

Mass car ownership is not compatible with saving the climate.

This attempt at sustainable living for motorists failed miserably.

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Derwenthorpe was meant to be sustainable and have a low carbon footprint but it achieved a planet-destroying footprint of 14.52 tonnes CO2e per resident per year. This was worse than the average for York as a whole, which was still planet-destroying at 14.30 tonnes CO2e.

World average emissions of CO2e are now about 7 tonnes CO2e per person per year. This racks up a planet-threatening 100 tonnes of CO2e in fifty years – even if emissions steadily declined to zero during that time (OK, this is optimistic.). Emissions from Derwenthorpe and the rest of York are more than twice the world average.


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« Reply #6221 on: January 15, 2019, 12:09:38 AM »
Car sales fell in China in 2018 for the first time in 2 decades, partly due to the trade war with Trump: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-china-autos/china-car-sales-hit-reverse-for-first-time-since-1990s-idUKKCN1P8065

However, new energy vehicles (a category comprising electric vehicles and plug in hybrids) bucked the trend with a growth in sales of 61.7%.

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« Reply #6222 on: January 15, 2019, 09:43:28 PM »
NOVEMBER UPDATE – 4 Automakers Closest To Losing U.S. Federal Tax Credit
Tesla and GM have surpassed 200,000 electrified car sales in the U.S.
If recent sales rates continue, Nissan will hit that number near the end of 2019.

1. Nissan – 126,875

2. Ford – 111,715

3. Toyota – 93,011

4. BMW Group – 79,679

https://insideevs.com/top-6-automakers-200000-federal-tax-credit-limit/


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Nissan gives new Leaf major range, performance boost
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The Leaf Plus relies on a 62 kilowatt-hour battery pack, about 50 percent bigger than the 2017 model and the mere 24 kWh pack in the original, 2010 Leaf. Like the earlier versions, however, the latest battery-electric vehicle will remain air-cooled, rather than the more advanced liquid cooling found in its key competitors. Nissan claims the approach requires few compromises but means a less complex — and thus less expensive — product.

The automaker won't release final pricing until the Leaf Plus goes on sale in early spring. But at a starting price of $29,990, the current model is one of the least expensive all-electric models on the market.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/09/nissan-takes-on-tesla-by-giving-leaf-major-range-performance-boost-.html
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« Reply #6223 on: January 15, 2019, 09:51:19 PM »
Mexican fuel shortage stretches into second week
Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is urging the country to remain patient as gasoline shortages stretch into their second week while he battles to stem fuel theft at pipelines
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/mexican-fuel-shortage-stretches-week-60351341


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Mexican auto production falls nearly 10 pct in December, exports up
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MEXICO CITY, Jan 10 (Reuters) - Mexican automobile production fell 9.67 percent in December compared with the same month last year while exports rose 2.33 percent, data from INEGI statistics agency showed on Thursday.
Auto production in 2018 fell 0.61 percent while exports grew 6.0 percent, according to INEGI.
https://www.reuters.com/article/mexico-autos/mexican-auto-production-falls-nearly-10-pct-in-december-exports-up-idUSL1N1ZA0WP
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« Reply #6224 on: January 15, 2019, 10:15:49 PM »
China passenger vehicle sales fall 2.8% in 2018, but EV sales increased 62% for a 4% market share

U.S. car manufacturers did very badly, Ford down 37% and GM down 10% (25% in the fourth quarter). VW was only down 2%, generally Japanese, German and Korean brand sales were slightly up. Looks like the majority of the contraction in sales was borne by the US manufacturers. The strongest Chinese brands increased their sales, although Chinese brand market share overall went down a little (luxury car sales held up well, helping the foreign brands).

December 2017 to December 2018 growth of EV's was 83%, with 159,751 sales last December. Full year sales were 1,016,002. If the average monthly sales in 2019 were the same as December 2018, i.e. no further growth, EV sales would be approaching 2 million in 2019! The top ten EV brands are all from Chinese manufacturers.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-annual-car-sales-slip-for-first-time-in-decades-11547465112

https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/salesfig_china_2018

https://insideevs.com/china-electric-car-sales-december/

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« Reply #6225 on: January 16, 2019, 03:18:44 AM »
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[Electric buses] are too expensive for municipalities to buy enough to serve all the populations and locations that need them.

We must change the nature of "the locations", so that they are served by nearby transport hubs. In addition we should travel less.

Mass car ownership is not compatible with saving the climate.

This attempt at sustainable living for motorists failed miserably.

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Derwenthorpe was meant to be sustainable and have a low carbon footprint but it achieved a planet-destroying footprint of 14.52 tonnes CO2e per resident per year. This was worse than the average for York as a whole, which was still planet-destroying at 14.30 tonnes CO2e.

World average emissions of CO2e are now about 7 tonnes CO2e per person per year. This racks up a planet-threatening 100 tonnes of CO2e in fifty years – even if emissions steadily declined to zero during that time (OK, this is optimistic.). Emissions from Derwenthorpe and the rest of York are more than twice the world average.


We must show the world living without cars can be cheap, pleasant and won't screw the world up.


Geof
Thanks for the links!
Locally, (South Western Ontario), we've been attempting to extend a light-rail, trolley, bus system to link Kitchener/Waterloo with Toronto, Hamilton, and the rest of the region.


Ridership here is still low, but it is increasing. We've ended subsidies for EVs, linked Waterloo and Kitchener with a street trolley system and light rail can whisk you to your job in the major metropolitan regions.
I fear that we spend orders of magnitude more to widen, add rest areas and otherwise improve our already magnificent highway systems, but some of the infrastructure needed before we can expect the populace to ditch their cars is returning.
 
I say returning because pre & post WWII this region was very well served by electric rail roads, electric street trolley, even an electric bus system that allowed everyone access to damn near everywhere with no need for personalized transportation more complex than a bicycle.
When the Queen visited she came by way of electric rail.


I don't imagine that anything we do will be nearly enough, or nearly soon enough to derail the crushing blow(s) that will destroy all that we've built. Still, it's an improvement over passively waiting, or impulsively funding programs that yield negative outcomes.
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« Reply #6226 on: January 16, 2019, 08:26:46 AM »
While selling my driving data to the highest bidder is not my greatest concern, apparently many at CES are pitching their services.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-10/cars-will-soon-be-monitoring-their-drivers-and-selling-data-they-collect

My own paranoia runs more to police departments that simply lock my doors and delivering me to the local gaol. :-\
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« Reply #6227 on: January 16, 2019, 08:39:46 AM »
Just in case you thought my last post unlikely.

ATT Promises to STOP SELLING YOUR LOCATION TO BOUNTY HUNTERS!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-11/att-stops-selling-location-data-americans-bounty-hunters

You can't stop doing anything that you weren't already engaged in.
If a bounty hunter can locate you real time within meters, how safe are you from others who might wish you harm.


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« Reply #6228 on: January 16, 2019, 03:42:50 PM »
If we must have cars — and right now, today, we do! — it’s better that they be zero-emission.  Opportunities to recharge using renewable energy are growing right along with them.

“It took 60 months for the first million EVs to find buyers.
It took 17 months to get from 1 million to 2 million
10 months to get from 2 million to 3 million.
5 million mark will arrive about 6 months from now.”
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https://twitter.com/28delayslater/status/1085136519709577216
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