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« Reply #6250 on: February 05, 2019, 02:34:55 PM »
Looks like Audi’s Superbowl commercial spiked interest in EVs:
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Martin MitEV (@MartinMitEV3) 2/3/19, 9:53 PM
Thank you Audi for spending millions to raise awareness about EVs …
https://twitter.com/martinmitev3/status/1092254690111307782
Image below.  Google searches, 7-days, US
(Here’s the ad:  #https://youtu.be/Xrgq2CIag6M  )

Mexico:  Chevy takes advantage of gas shortage to sell all-electric Bolt EV
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Fuel shortages are hitting Mexico after the closure of state-owned pipeline creating a distribution bottleneck and Chevy intelligently took advantage of the opportunity to promote the all-electric Bolt EV at gas stations.
https://electrek.co/2019/02/04/chevy-gas-shortage-sell-electric-bolt-ev/


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NIO EV Traps Driver For an Hour While It Completes Software Update
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…considering the software update could still be triggered while in the middle of a busy road, Nio should probably look into it.
https://futurism.com/tesla-competitor-nio-test-drive/


The cheapest Chinese electric cars are coming to the US and Europe
“The catch? Their top speed is less than 40 miles per hour, they run on cheap lead-acid batteries, and they have little to no crash protection.”
But it still has potential for use on farms or construction sites, where the car can be used in the day and put to charge at night at a lower cost than a gas-guzzling truck.
https://qz.com/1541380/the-cheapest-chinese-electric-cars-are-coming-to-the-us-and-europe/


“Obvious opportunities for collaboration were missed as each company stuck to its own plans—to this day, for example, Nissan’s flagship Leaf electric vehicle and Renault’s comparable Zoe share no major components.”
   
Longread on the downfall of Nissan’s CEO.
Inside the Takedown That Put Carlos Ghosn in Jail
He never saw it coming.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-01-31/inside-the-takedown-of-renault-nissan-chairman-carlos-ghosn
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« Reply #6251 on: February 05, 2019, 03:08:58 PM »
A lot of it may depend on their battery management software.

The software can be as smart as you like, but one constant remains the same.  You can't charge fast without creating heat.  If you don't dissipate the heat, you damage the battery.  No amount of software will get around that.

Secondly Tesla uses a battery with many thousands of individual cells, EU manufacturers tend to use the pouch cells which are larger.  The problem is, as I found when really delving into the studies on batteries and battery life, the pouch cells break down internally whilst, externally, reporting more power and availability.  Until you use them and they drop dead half way through.

My take?  Nothing has changed, they are, again, cutting corners to try and get ahead of the pack and don't even care if the end result is a significant impact to the customers.

Leaping forward through technology has not really been a fact in VAG for some while now.  More a case of not wanting to spend the cash required to take the really big leaps which need to come in order for us to be able to embrace EV's fully.
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« Reply #6252 on: February 05, 2019, 07:10:49 PM »
i'm looking hard at the little chinese EVs as station vehicles in ag/industrial settings. Right now we got an assortment of golf carts, pedal bikes, dirt bikes, and pickups as station vehicles. A little EV pickup would be perfect. We do a lot of maintenance inhouse, so lack of EV mechanics is not a limiting factor.

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« Reply #6253 on: February 06, 2019, 06:26:17 PM »
For now, “EV” here includes hybrids.  But for those who must go by car, choosing to pay for less polluting options is a welcome trend.

Lyft's new 'Green Mode' lets riders request an EV
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Green Mode is the next step in Lyft’s Green Cities initiative. Last year, the company announced all its rides were carbon neutral through carbon offset purchases. All EV charging for Lyft will be covered by 100 percent renewable electricity.
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Lyft is also introducing EVs to its Express Drive program. Express Drive allows drivers to rent a car for the purpose of driving for Lyft. These drivers will now be able to rent EVs, and for the time being, unlimited charging will be included in the weekly rental rate. The Express Drive EV option will start in Seattle and Atlanta before rolling out to other regions.
https://electrek.co/2019/02/06/lyft-green-mode/


Edit: Looks like London’s regulations have ‘persuaded’ BMW to increase the EVs in its fleet.

BMW's car sharing service Drivenow has added 130 all-electric cars to its London fleet, as it pushes to meet the capital's air quality requirements.
http://www.cityam.com/272856/bmw-owned-car-sharing-venture-drivenow-expands-electric-car
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« Reply #6254 on: February 07, 2019, 04:14:05 AM »
Norway's EV sales are about to skyrocket to new high with Tesla Model 3 arrival
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I expect that those first 5,000 Model 3 vehicles are scheduled to be delivered in the first quarter, which would indicate that Tesla could more than double its deliveries in Norway and easily push BEV sales to over 50% of the market.

That’s going to be an important milestone because new vehicles with an internal combustion engine are going to be in the minority.

When you add the introduction of the Audi e-tron, Mercedes-Benz EQC, and the ramp-up of the Kona EV, Niro EV, and a few other electric cars, I would bet that all-electric vehicle sales will represent over 70% of new passenger vehicle sales in Norway in 2019.

If you are in Norway right now and you are considering buying a gas-powered car, I would think twice about it because I think your resale value will be bad. Like really bad.
https://electrek.co/2019/02/06/norway-ev-sales-skyrocket-tesla-model-3-arrival/
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« Reply #6255 on: February 07, 2019, 04:17:49 PM »
Europe's Diesel Drivers Beware: Heftier Tax Is On the Way
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Here’s another reason not to buy a diesel-powered car, and why consumption of the fuel could ebb in one of the world’s biggest demand centers: tax.

For decades governments within the European Union have taxed diesel at a lower rate than rival gasoline, but that advantage is eroding fast as they seek to clean up the environment, and the fallout from Dieselgate rumbles on more than three years after it happened. The shift illustrates a fundamental change in the treatment of a transport fuel that has long been favored across the continent. ...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-07/europe-s-diesel-drivers-beware-heftier-tax-is-coming-your-way
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« Reply #6256 on: February 07, 2019, 07:21:28 PM »
Norway's EV sales are about to skyrocket to new high with Tesla Model 3 arrival
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I expect that those first 5,000 Model 3 vehicles are scheduled to be delivered in the first quarter, which would indicate that Tesla could more than double its deliveries in Norway and easily push BEV sales to over 50% of the market.

Given what you posted earlier about Oslo public chargers being full all the time at 50% uptake, I hope they get the supercharger network out there ahead of the vehicles...
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« Reply #6257 on: February 08, 2019, 09:11:35 PM »
Which of these companies do you think will survive the transition to EVs?

Seeking more money:
Volvo Cars courts investors to raise cash for Polestar EVs
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* Volvo seeks investors for funds for Polestar - CEO
* Polestar to unveil Polestar 2 sedan on Feb. 27
* Company to offer cars via subscription model
* Polestar fundraising to help with electric car costs
https://www.reuters.com/article/volvocars-polestar-ipo/update-1-volvo-cars-courts-investors-to-raise-cash-for-polestar-idUSL5N2025VS
   
Turning ever-so-slowly away from their bet on hydrogen:
Nikola Motors announces all-electric version of the semi truck as Tesla Semi changes the game
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Nikola Motors, an electric and hydrogen truck startup, is announcing new all-electric versions of their semi trucks in order to compete with Tesla Semi.

The startup first announced plans for a hybrid electric and natural gas semi truck over 3 years ago.
They later changed their plans to hybrid battery-electric and fuel cell hydrogen trucks with plans for a massive hydrogen supply chain and fueling station network.
Later, Tesla unveiled its all-electric semi truck that showed battery-electric class 8 vehicles were viable and it changed many people’s perspectives.
At the time, Nikola Motors mocked Tesla’s effort – arguing that they couldn’t achieve the range that they were claiming on battery-electric only.
Now they are announcing battery-electric versions for two of their truck models:
They are only talking about Nikola Tre (left) and Nikola Two (right) – and not Nikola One, which is their main long-range truck…
https://electrek.co/2019/02/08/nikola-motors-electric-trucks-tesla-semi/
   
Still investing big in ICE:
Ford Is Investing $1 Billion in Plants Making Its High-Profit SUV
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Ford Motor Co. is investing $1 billion in two Chicago factories and hiring 500 workers to expand its ability to crank out high-profit sport utility vehicles, including the new Explorer.
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Joe Hinrichs, Ford’s president of global operations, made the announcement Thursday at the Chicago Auto Show. The investment in the assembly and stamping plants fulfills an obligation the company made in its 2015 contract with the United Auto Workers. Ford is set to bargain a new pact with the union later this year.
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Ford’s 95-year-old Chicago assembly plant and 63-year-old stamping plant -- which also will build the Lincoln Aviator and Police Interceptor Utility -- are being updated with advanced manufacturing technology. The company’s investment also includes training at the factories that employ 5,800 workers.
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-02-07/ford-is-investing-1-billion-in-plants-making-high-profit-suv
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« Reply #6258 on: February 08, 2019, 09:21:35 PM »
Norway's EV sales are about to skyrocket to new high with Tesla Model 3 arrival
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I expect that those first 5,000 Model 3 vehicles are scheduled to be delivered in the first quarter, which would indicate that Tesla could more than double its deliveries in Norway and easily push BEV sales to over 50% of the market.

Given what you posted earlier about Oslo public chargers being full all the time at 50% uptake, I hope they get the supercharger network out there ahead of the vehicles...

The other manufacturers need to do their part, too!

Porsche Expands Charging Service In Europe To 49,000 Charging Points
https://insideevs.com/porsche-charging-europe-49000-points/amp/

(I hope Porsche uses their monthly fee to keep charger info up to date and get broken ones back online quickly!)
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« Reply #6259 on: February 08, 2019, 09:24:10 PM »
EV growing pains!

U.K.:  Kia e-Niro all sold out until 2020
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The electric SUV is so popular there's not enough batteries to satisfy demand.
If you were looking to get your hands on the all-electric version of the Kia Niro, you're out of luck because all 900 have been sold already, according to Auto Express.
https://uk.motor1.com/news/304364/kia-e-niro-sold-out-uk/

Study shows electric cars lose 41% of range in 'icy temperature', Tesla disputes the claim
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A Tesla spokesperson sent us the following statement:
“Based on real-world data from our fleet, which includes millions of long trips taken by real Model S customers, we know with certainty that, even when using heating and air conditioning, the average Model S customer doesn’t experience anywhere near that decrease in range at 20 degrees Fahrenheit, and the decrease in range at 95 degrees Fahrenheit is roughly 1%.”
While the company shared an actual number for the 95 degrees Fahrenheit scenario, it didn’t for the 20 degrees Fahrenheit scenario other than saying that AAA’s number is inaccurate.
https://electrek.co/2019/02/07/study-electric-cars-lose-range-temperature-tesla-disputes/

My Chevy Bolt Is On Third Battery Pack: Here’s Why
https://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-battery-died-twice-why/
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« Reply #6260 on: February 09, 2019, 09:25:34 PM »
Lecture discusses the pros and cons of today’s most promising paths to a “meaningful deployment” of (~10,000) fully autonomous vehicles:
- Tesla’s Level 2, widespread, camera- and machine-learning-based approach, and
- Waymo’s Level 4, limited vehicle and service area, lidar- and maps-based approach.

Article: https://evannex.com/blogs/news/new-mit-video-considers-tesla-and-the-competitive-self-driving-landscape



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Now consider where in the race Toyota must be:

Feb 9, 2019
Toyota's moonshot: Self-driving car for sale - in a year

The first milestone comes in 2020, when Toyota plans to introduce vehicles capable of driving themselves on highways.
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TOKYO — They call it Toyota's moonshot: In just one year, Japan's biggest carmaker wants to start selling a self-driving vehicle that it says will be the "most powerful supercomputer on wheels."
But the company has a lot of work to do first. It must develop hardware and software for the vehicle, dramatically slash the cost of the technology and ramp up the hiring of the software engineers who will make it all happen. ...
https://www.autonews.com/mobility-report/toyotas-moonshot-self-driving-car-sale-year
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« Reply #6261 on: February 09, 2019, 09:45:21 PM »
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Study shows electric cars lose 41% of range in 'icy temperature', Tesla disputes the claim
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A Tesla spokesperson sent us the following statement:
“Based on real-world data from our fleet, which includes millions of long trips taken by real Model S customers, we know with certainty that, even when using heating and air conditioning, the average Model S customer doesn’t experience anywhere near that decrease in range at 20 degrees Fahrenheit, and the decrease in range at 95 degrees Fahrenheit is roughly 1%.”
While the company shared an actual number for the 95 degrees Fahrenheit scenario, it didn’t for the 20 degrees Fahrenheit scenario other than saying that AAA’s number is inaccurate.
https://electrek.co/2019/02/07/study-electric-cars-lose-range-temperature-tesla-disputes/
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Update:
“The EPA already applies a 70% correction factor to ranges to account for things like cold weather. This study is reapplying it on top of their actual cold-whether calculations.”

Tesla owners are saying these updated numbers fit more closely with their experience.
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« Reply #6262 on: February 10, 2019, 03:29:07 PM »
Sono Motors Sion | Fully Charged





Sono motors claims about 18km of solar only range.  That's more than I expected. That seems usable for some niche applications. As a proof of concept it is great. I don't expect fully solar cars any time soon, but for low speeds, short range applications solar cars might become a reality. 
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« Reply #6263 on: February 10, 2019, 03:38:27 PM »
Sono motors claims about 18km of solar only range.  That's more than I expected. That seems usable for some niche applications. As a proof of concept it is great. I don't expect fully solar cars any time soon, but for low speeds, short range applications solar cars might become a reality.

Presumably that 18kms miles (30km) an average per day. But how much variation from dark cloudy winter day to sunny summer day?

Full battery range 250Km (155 miles), so that allows some scope for bad days  - might manage 3-4000 miles a year with hardly ever charging.
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« Reply #6264 on: February 10, 2019, 03:41:32 PM »
Correction, he said 30 km (18 mi) of range due to the solar cells alone.

I want this car so badly! :D

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« Reply #6265 on: February 10, 2019, 04:19:57 PM »
This is the car I've ordered last summer. I'm number 6000-something on the list.

Though I'm still somewhat sceptical, I really hope they can make it, because this would the first affordable family EV on the market, and could very well be the VW beetle for the people that Tesla and others refuse to build.

With luck, they'll start producing before the year is out, and we'll hopefully get ours before the summer of 2020.

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« Reply #6266 on: February 10, 2019, 04:27:16 PM »
The Sion (or a car like it) will likely be the Prius of the 2020’s. 
“You think your BEV is green; ha!  My car charges itself; no gas, no diesel, no grid!”  ;) :)
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« Reply #6267 on: February 10, 2019, 04:38:50 PM »
I have a feeling the Sion will fail due to escalating costs, but it's a great idea.

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« Reply #6268 on: February 10, 2019, 04:58:40 PM »
I have a feeling the Sion will fail due to escalating costs, but it's a great idea.

Yes, initial price for the battery (size unspecified) was 4000 Euros. This was recently increased to 9500 Euros for a 35 kWh battery, and led to much disappointment on the German forum that I occasionally visit to keep track of things. People cancelling their reservations, etc.

BTW, I don't think this was known when the Fully Charged video was made. The car also won't have a sun roof with solar modules in it (because light effects could cause epileptic seizures) and there won't be three individual seats in the back, but rather 2+1. The rest is still up for grabs (V2G for instance, or heat pump AC), but Sono Motors has struck partnerships with large firms like Continental and Bosch.

On the one hand that's good for an image of reliability and professionalism, but on the other you do wonder whether the price tag will stay at 25,500 Euros, or whether it will go up some more (initial price was 20K until the battery price increase). I'm willing to pay 27-28K. If it gets higher than that, I'll have to think about it.

They have over 9000 reservations now, and allegedly some serious investors as well.
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« Reply #6269 on: February 10, 2019, 05:10:23 PM »
BTW, I don't think this was known when the Fully Charged video was made.

I asked in the comments there when the video was made.

Someone replied "Believe around late September or early October."

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« Reply #6270 on: February 12, 2019, 11:33:04 AM »
Admission of shame:
- Currently I'm driving about 10k miles a year for work
- Recently I had to get a new car after an accident
- For budget reasons I went for a small efficient secondhand 1.0L petrol vehicle with a combined MPG of 65 rather than an electric or hybrid. I intend to drive conservatively, liftshare, walk/cycle when possible etc, but still... not ideal.

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« Reply #6271 on: February 12, 2019, 03:58:19 PM »
Admission of shame:
- Currently I'm driving about 10k miles a year for work
- Recently I had to get a new car after an accident
- For budget reasons I went for a small efficient secondhand 1.0L petrol vehicle with a combined MPG of 65 rather than an electric or hybrid. I intend to drive conservatively, liftshare, walk/cycle when possible etc, but still... not ideal.

A big factor in an individual’s EV transition is time. Many people simply can’t wait for the EV they want, because their current car died or they otherwise need a replacement right now.  Price is another reason.  Soon there will be cheaper options, including a more robust used EV market.  Kudos for your effort to be as sustainable as possible!
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« Reply #6272 on: February 12, 2019, 08:43:54 PM »
A secondhand car with 65 MPG, I don't think any shame is due at the current stage of available/affordable alternatives.

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« Reply #6273 on: February 13, 2019, 05:07:15 PM »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-12/tesla-s-latest-competitor-is-a-15-500-electric-three-wheeler

Canada's Answer to Tesla Is a $15,500 Electric Three-Wheeler
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Carmakers from Tesla Inc. to Nissan Motor Co. and Volkswagen AG are racing to make the car of the future. So far they’ve produced cleaner, quieter but costlier versions of the ones already out there. Profitability has been elusive -- many manufacturers are likely losing money on each unit, but sell in pursuit of future market share, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

Electra Meccanica says its quirky reimagination of an automobile aims to redefine the category.

"Tesla is doing a good job on building big cars -- conventional cars that are electric," says Kroll, who earlier worked on electric drive systems for NASA in California and befriended the co-founders of Tesla, Marc Tarpenning and Martin Eberhard.

“This company is producing the car that Elon Musk wishes he were building,” Kroll said in a separate interview with Bloomberg Television. “It is great to produce a $45,000, a $100,000 car or a $250,000 car. But for the masses? A $15,000 car that can get them to stop using gas. That’s creative."

Leona Green, 64, and her son Matthew, 41, were the Solo’s first customers and have been driving it for two years in Vancouver. They park it on the sidewalk in front of the deli they own for catering runs and have ordered a second because they kept fighting over it.

“I almost don’t want everybody having one,” she says. At least a few times a day, she passes out cards with the Solo’s specs, kept on hand to avoid answering the same questions repeatedly.
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« Reply #6274 on: February 14, 2019, 08:14:23 PM »
Well, that escalated quickly!  Beijing is moving this year from European-level emission regulations to regs based on the California Air Resources Board, “the world’s most stringent light duty vehicle emission standards to date.”

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Beijing City officials have confirmed they will implement Stage 6 emission regulations in 2019. The new regulations stipulate a dramatic 50% reduction in CO2 and NOx and a 40% reduction in fine particulate matter over existing Stage 5 regulations.
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https://twitter.com/gregkable/status/1095607969847349248
< And they mean it. Roadblocks all around the city. Probe up your exhaust. No go if bu hao.

Beijing Confirms It Will Implement Stage 6 Emissions Rules In 2019
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/14/beijing-confirms-it-will-implement-stage-6-emissions-rules-in-2019/
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« Reply #6275 on: February 14, 2019, 09:37:18 PM »
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Toyota is now actively deleting negative comments on their recent 'Self Charging Hybrid' adverts on social media where people are calling them out for promoting fossil fuel powered cars in a positive light against EVs, mine was live for less than 2 minutes
https://twitter.com/willfealey/status/1095737260283179009
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Does Audi e-Tron Really Only Use 83 Out Of Its 95-kWh Battery Pack?
If true, this goes a long way to explaining why the Audi e-tron’s range seems so low.
https://insideevs.com/audi-e-tron-83-of-95-kwh-battery-pack/amp/

More on this:
Petro-Canada To Equip Fuel Stations With Fast Chargers
https://insideevs.com/petro-canada-fuel-stations-fast-chargers/
CCS + CHAdeMO, up to 200kW, possible 350 in future.
Over 50 chargers planned.  Map below.
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Wow!

2020 Kia Soul Electric Gets 243-Mile EPA Range Rating
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Considering that the current Soul EV, with its 30-kWh battery pack, is EPA-rated at 111 miles, we figure this 2020 Soul EV, with 64-kWh on board, will travel close to 240 miles per charge, maybe even more. Sadly, since it’s Kia, this will be a limited offering in the U.S., so availability will be an issue. ...
https://insideevs.com/2020-kia-soul-ev-243-mile-epa-range/
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Volkswagen is pushing for CO2 neutral production of electric cars
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In a new presentation, VW shows how the I.D., its first next-generation electric vehicle, will be “CO2 neutral throughout the entire life cycle if the customer consistently charges with green power.”

They want to address CO2 emissions through the different phases including manufacturing.  In the manufacturing phase alone, VW says that “the carbon footprint of the ID. will be improved by more than 1 million tons of CO2 per year.”

They want to use green power throughout the entire supply chain and at their own factories. ...
https://electrek.co/2019/02/15/volkswagen-co2-neutral-electric-cars-production/
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« Reply #6278 on: February 16, 2019, 01:13:19 PM »
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In a new presentation, VW shows how the I.D., its first next-generation electric vehicle, will be “CO2 neutral throughout the entire life cycle if the customer consistently charges with green power.”

They want to address CO2 emissions through the different phases including manufacturing.  In the manufacturing phase alone, VW says that “the carbon footprint of the ID. will be improved by more than 1 million tons of CO2 per year.”

They want to use green power throughout the entire supply chain and at their own factories. ...
https://electrek.co/2019/02/15/volkswagen-co2-neutral-electric-cars-production/
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that's a good one that graph, because if we really want to talk about reducing our footprints we have to look at device(car)-lifetime over all footprint.

this is why i believe that something that lasts much longer than average and can be repaired instead of thrown and replaced has a better over all balance than something cheap that will turn obsolete quite quickly.

unfortunately for now that means expensive and oversized luxury cars while in fact they should i.e. volkswagen should have pushed the size of a POLO, reduce it's weight and build top quality instead of the golf. a current polo has the size of a 10-15 year old gold, hence would suffice.

problem is that their bread and butter production lines come with planned obsolescence which is poisonous for resources, co2 and overall sustainability.

no doubt, we're definitely not there yet, far from it, but at least things have started to move and and at an ever accelerating pace.
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Yes! The chicken and egg problem of building a emissions free infrastructure is starting to unravel. The machines that build the green machines are getting greener.
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Electric pickup truck startup Rivian confirms $700 million round of funding led by Amazon
https://electrek.co/2019/02/15/rivian-electric-pickup-truck-amazon-investment/
Amazon is leading the round and Rivian confirms that it includes “participation from existing shareholders”, but there’s no mention of any involvement by GM as previously rumored.


Audi says it has over 20,000 reservations for e-tron electric SUVs
https://electrek.co/2019/02/14/audi-e-tron-electric-suv-20000-reservations/

Audi e-tron Winter Range Test: Video
https://insideevs.com/audi-e-tron-winter-range-test-video/

Bjorn Nyland’s e-tron test vid: 
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« Reply #6281 on: February 16, 2019, 05:16:47 PM »

Bjorn Nyland’s e-tron test vid: 
#https://youtu.be/ucPJy0JnNLo

that's not a very professional test, conditions differ by 20C and road conditions with other tests he made and then the e-tron, compared to a tesla model X with a similar battery size is about 300kg heavier, which means it's another class of car.

for those who are interested i recommend to search for reviews on the recuperation, braking and transmission interaction in your language. i read this kind of stuff in german, hence can't help much with where to find english or other language reviews.

finally this was a bit like comparing an audi Q5 (model X) with an audi Q7 or apples with pears. nevertheless one can get an impression and one can see that those things are indeed ready to be launched in numbers.
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« Reply #6282 on: February 16, 2019, 06:28:02 PM »

Bjorn Nyland’s e-tron test vid: 
#https://youtu.be/ucPJy0JnNLo

that's not a very professional test, conditions differ by 20C and road conditions with other tests he made and then the e-tron, compared to a tesla model X with a similar battery size is about 300kg heavier, which means it's another class of car.
...

That’s why I titled it, “Bjorn Nyland’s e-tron test vid” and not “Official video review of the Audi e-tron.”  ;) And Bjorn is very clear that conditions were sub-optimal and would be better on warmer, dry roads.  It’s a Winter Range Test, not an ultimate review of the car..

As a measure of Audi’s tech, and as a temper for potential customer’s expectations, comparison to the well-known Model X is appropriate; the lighter e-tron could be expected to be more sprightly and have a longer range.  But it appears (from ads I’ve seen) that Audi designed the car to maximize its quick-charge capability as the biggest differentiator, instead.  Knowing it could not compete with Tesla on range or performance, this makes sense.
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« Reply #6283 on: February 16, 2019, 06:34:54 PM »
Autonomous vehicles could help save us from our own stupidity.  Even human-driven cars that simply communicated with each other could instantly warn a driver of an invisible danger ahead.

Dante' Jones (@Dantej21) 2/15/19, 6:23 PM
Unbelievable footage from the pileup on I-70 today. My jaw dropped to the floor first time I saw this video.
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« Reply #6284 on: February 16, 2019, 06:53:06 PM »

Bjorn Nyland’s e-tron test vid: 
#https://youtu.be/ucPJy0JnNLo

that's not a very professional test, conditions differ by 20C and road conditions with other tests he made and then the e-tron, compared to a tesla model X with a similar battery size is about 300kg heavier, which means it's another class of car.
...

That’s why I titled it, “Bjorn Nyland’s e-tron test vid” and not “Official video review of the Audi e-tron.”  ;) And Bjorn is very clear that conditions were sub-optimal and would be better on warmer, dry roads.  It’s a Winter Range Test, not an ultimate review of the car..

As a measure of Audi’s tech, and as a temper for potential customer’s expectations, comparison to the well-known Model X is appropriate; the lighter e-tron could be expected to be more sprightly and have a longer range.  But it appears (from ads I’ve seen) that Audi designed the car to maximize its quick-charge capability as the biggest differentiator, instead.  Knowing it could not compete with Tesla on range or performance, this makes sense.

all was right with your post, sorry if that came across differently, i solely referred to the review while of course it's currently always interesting to see how new models perform, even without comparing them. ;)
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« Reply #6285 on: February 16, 2019, 07:12:21 PM »
Electrification May Disrupt the Automotive Supply Chain
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/IF11101.pdf

The shift to electric vehicles and away from internal combustion engines is likely to have significant consequences for the U.S. automobile assembly and parts manufacturing industries. A widespread shift to electric vehicles has the potential to eliminate large numbers of jobs in vehicle and parts production, even if the vehicles are assembled in the United States.

In a conventional vehicle, the powertrain includes the engine, the drivetrain—the components and system that provide power to the wheels—as well as other associated components, such as the transmission, engine cooling and exhaust systems, and emissions control. Most passenger vehicles on the road today have an internal combustion engine, fueled by gasoline or diesel.

Ernst & Young has estimated that vehicles with conventional powertrains have as many as 2,000 components in their powertrains. That number rises when parts used for engine cooling and exhaust and sensors used in emissions control systems are considered. Of the nearly 590,000 U.S. employees engaged in motor vehicle parts manufacturing, about one-quarter—nearly 150,000—make components for internal combustion powertrains.

Electric vehicle powertrains differ substantially from those in conventional vehicles. Instead of the hundreds of moving parts built into a conventional powertrain, an electric vehicle powertrain has only a few. For example, Tesla has said its drivetrain has 17 moving parts, including two in the motor.

No emissions are generated, so all-electric vehicles do not have exhaust systems, mufflers, catalytic converters and tailpipes. Electric vehicle powertrains are also cheaper to maintain and, unlike many internal combustion engines that may deteriorate over time, electric vehicle motors may have lower maintenance costs.

Should electric powertrains displace those used by gasoline over the next decade and beyond, it is likely that both production and engineering jobs will be affected. Much of the mechanical and materials engineering work undertaken by automobile and parts manufacturers could be replaced by jobs requiring different skillsets such as chemical, battery, and software engineering or by imports of lithium ion batteries. Few U.S. universities offer degrees in battery engineering, a skill set that is in short supply even today.

Most manufacturing could be handled by robots.
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« Reply #6286 on: February 17, 2019, 12:29:27 AM »
BYD Sold Over 28,000 EVs In January — Will China See Over 50% Sales Growth Again This Year?

The y-o-y BYD comparison did benefit from some production limitations in the previous year, but still looking like the exponential part of the S curve. Still waiting for the full Chinese January sales figures.

"There’s no doubt that BYD’s sales will continue to climb steadily throughout 2019, and we may well see BYD’s annual passenger NEV sales rise from 2018’s total of 227,000 to top 400,000, or even 450,000 in 2019, pushing 80–100% growth. Remember that BYD makes its own batteries and cells, so it is in much more control of its critical supply chain than most other EV makers. BYD is also planning on bringing 811 NMC cell production online this year. Are BYD’s early 2019 figures indicative of another stunning growth year for NEVs in China?

BAIC, the 2nd largest player in the China NEV market, recently said it is aiming for at least 220,000 NEV sales in 2019, up some 38% from its ~165,000 in 2018. Having grown at 66% last year, is BAIC being coy, or is it genuinely concerned about outside battery supply limits putting a damper on its upward trajectory? We will know more when we see January’s sales figures.

SAIC, with its PHEV focus (and relatively smaller batteries), may be better placed in this respect. As the 3rd largest player in China, it grew meteorically in 2018 at over 114% year on year to gain sales of ~123,000. Can we expect over 200,000 sales in 2019?"

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Boom! Fossil Vehicle Sales Are Officially Now Decreasing In China, Europe, & USA — #CleanTechnica Report

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Boom! Fossil Vehicle Sales Are Officially Now Decreasing In China, Europe, & USA — #CleanTechnica Report

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/16/fossil-vehicle-sales-are-officially-now-decreasing-in-china-europe-us/

Boom!  8)
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« Reply #6289 on: February 18, 2019, 06:03:47 PM »
Just like they do every recession?

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« Reply #6290 on: February 18, 2019, 09:05:40 PM »
Just like they do every recession?

No; differently this time. :)

- US sales peaked three years ago.*
- Kids today no longer regard getting their drivers license and a car as a necessity.  Probably due to the growth of cell phones/internet/social media, hanging out at the mall is no longer the attraction it once was (one reason why so many malls are closing).
- The growth of Uber and Lyft in the last few years has obviated the need for a personal car for many people.
- Over the past few years, car dealers drastically reduced credit requirements in order to keep vehicle sales up.

Of course, the coming recession will further reduce car sales.  But the writing has been on the wall for quite some time.  And the fact that EV sales are increasing at the same time that ICE vehicle sales are decreasing is significant in its own way.

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While January is typically a slower month for new-vehicle sales, analysts say the rising stock levels are becoming problematic because car companies will start this year with more unsold inventory than they had three years ago when U.S. auto sales peaked at 17.55 million for the year. Industry forecasters and some auto executives predict sales this year will fall well below that figure, dropping to under 17 million vehicles for the first time since 2014.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/car-dealer-lots-are-flush-with-unsold-cars-as-sales-are-expected-to-drop-11549319709

Edit: More data on the flat/decliningYoY (except Tesla) US market in January here:
Nissan, Toyota, Mercedes, VW, Honda, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, & Audi Sales Drop In USA, While Ford & GM Hide
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/09/nissan-toyota-mercedes-vw-honda-bmw-lexus-infiniti-audi-sales-drop-in-usa-while-ford-gm-hide/
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« Reply #6291 on: February 18, 2019, 10:08:40 PM »
the current drop is due to a combination of factors:

a) diesel gate and the related discussions and uncertainties

b) the many E-models that are on the verge of being released to the market this and next year

c) recession we have not yet in general but we're close indeed and some countries are in already

e) the ever increasing market share, albeit still very low, of EVs is starting to show, especially
jointly with (b) that makes many customers hold on for a bit longer to make their decisions.

today a first small test in a leading german auto-magazine was published and soon many more thorough and detailed tests and comparisons of EVs will follow and if those tests show good results we might see another acceleration of EV market share soon and that will definitely have a significant impact on ICE-Sales. (logically)  ;)
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« Reply #6292 on: February 18, 2019, 10:11:44 PM »
Meanwhile, internal combustion engine car factories are closing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47282603 (although this specific closure probably had something to do with Brexit).

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« Reply #6293 on: February 19, 2019, 12:48:14 AM »
Meanwhile, internal combustion engine car factories are closing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47282603 (although this specific closure probably had something to do with Brexit).

From the article:
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The Japanese company made 160,000 Honda Civics in Swindon last year, of which some 90% were exported to the EU.

Elon Musk explained many times during the ramp-up of the Model 3 how production is only as fast as they can obtain parts from their slowest supplier.  Auto manufacturers in the UK must be terrified about the potential Brexit border/supply problems.  And this plant makes diesel and petrol engines; they will need a lot of flexibility if they are to survive even to 2022.
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Honda released a statement saying the Swindon factory closure was due to its switch to EV production.

Honda's plant closure puts 7,000 car industry jobs at risk
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“This proposal comes as Honda accelerates its commitment to electrified cars, in response to the unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry,” Honda (HMC) said in a written statement. ...
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1914 to... 2022?  A history of Ford’s electric vehicle offerings.

Ford Electric Cars: Past, Present and Future
https://insideevs.com/ford-ev-history-future/
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European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association:  But, but, but... there are no truck chargers available for us to use yet! ::)

Feb. 19th 2019
For the first time, the European Union has reached an agreement to set strict CO2 emissions standards for trucks.
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New truck CO2 emissions must be 30 percent lower in 2030 than current emissions standards, according to the provisional agreement. It’s the first time the EU has set any sort of standard on truck CO2 emissions.

The emissions proposal was first presented in May 2018. As an interim goal, truck emissions should be 15 percent lower by 2025. The EU also reserves the right to review the 2030 goals in 2022.

The EU set its car and van emissions standards in December 2018. New cars sold in 2030 must emit 37.5 percent less carbon dioxide on average compared to 2021 levels. Emissions from new vans must be 31 percent lower. As an interim goal, the EU agreed to a 15 percent reduction in emissions from cars and vans by 2025. ...
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« Reply #6297 on: February 21, 2019, 02:46:54 PM »
Will Chines EVs take over the U.S. car market, the way small Japanese cars did in the 1970’s?

China's Kandi announces US approval to sell EX3 and K22 EVs
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In a press release, Kandi CEO Hu Xiaoming said,

“We are thrilled Kandi Model EX3 and Model K22 received approval from the NHTSA. The approval has demonstrated our EV models meet all the necessary requirements and standards of the U.S. government. With this, we are confident in introducing our reliable vehicles to the American public. We believe both the EX3 and K22 are competitive in price and quality with advanced tech features that are in demand by American consumers.”

The K22 is a two-seater with an advertised range of 83 miles (134 km) and a top speed of 65 mph. Hu told Bloomberg in January that it will be priced at less than $20,000 in the U.S.

He didn’t have any pricing information at the time about the EX3, which boasts a range of 188 miles (303 km) and seats five. Kandi sells the EX3 in China as an electric version of Geely’s EX3 SUV, where it is available for less than $20,000 after incentives. It will very likely cost more in the U.S.

Kandi announced last October that the cars would qualify for the $7,500 U.S. federal tax credit. The company said it will now “begin the process of launching the Model EX3 and Model K22 for the American market.” No firm timeline is known at this point.
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« Reply #6298 on: February 21, 2019, 10:19:19 PM »
Range and efficiency test: e-tron, I-Pace and Model X driving in parallel at 120 km/h (75 mph)
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German electric car rental company nextmove conducted the test between the three premium electric SUVs.

The company used a pre-series Audi e-tron since they haven’t started deliveries officially, a Tesla Model X 90D with a 90 kWh battery pack. and a Jaguar I-Pace, which is also equipped with a 90 kWh pack.

The test was performed with all three vehicles driving in parallel on a 87 km stretch of the Autobahn between the Munich airport and Landshut in Germany at an average speed of 120 km/h (75 mph)…
https://electrek.co/2019/02/21/tesla-efficiency-range-test-audi-e-tron-jaguar-i-pace/
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Range and efficiency test: e-tron, I-Pace and Model X driving in parallel at 120 km/h (75 mph)
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German electric car rental company nextmove conducted the test between the three premium electric SUVs.

The company used a pre-series Audi e-tron since they haven’t started deliveries officially, a Tesla Model X 90D with a 90 kWh battery pack. and a Jaguar I-Pace, which is also equipped with a 90 kWh pack.

The test was performed with all three vehicles driving in parallel on a 87 km stretch of the Autobahn between the Munich airport and Landshut in Germany at an average speed of 120 km/h (75 mph)…
https://electrek.co/2019/02/21/tesla-efficiency-range-test-audi-e-tron-jaguar-i-pace/

while this is correct like so often, it's apples with pears because they are cars of different size and weight.

of course a 2700kg car eats up more juice than one of 2400kg or less and then the e-tron is an entire class larger in size, i.e like the difference between a Q5 and a Q7 while the i-pace and the tesla are more Q3 sized and Q5 weight the e-tron is Q7 sized and "Q8" wight, means above everything in weight (hope the little joke with Q8 is understood)

however the higher weight are no excuses, on the contrary i would have preferred if they had built a smaller Q3 sized suv if already it had to be an SUV but still one cannot just compare them. the data are perhaps correct but the result is misleading, especially the optical part of the graph where a few km are shown like a huge differnence to emphasized and reach the wanted image.
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