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Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« Reply #150 on: February 03, 2020, 09:10:54 AM »
First was Hillel the Elder circa 0010ce highest authority of the  Pharisees at that time . :o
https://www.azquotes.com/author/25893-Hillel_the_Elder
2nd was Jesus  circa 0030ce Matthew 7:12  (New International Version)
https://biblehub.com/matthew/7-12.htm

Any way we really should not be polluting this thread with chatter.
It is for marking and remembrance of the horror men do to men .


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« Reply #151 on: February 04, 2020, 06:23:34 AM »
Kafka continues:

" he consulted a lawyer at the agency’s Counterterrorism Center about how to make the threat without violating the Torture Convention.

He said he was advised to make the threat conditional.

So, before telling Mr. Mohammed “I will cut your son’s throat,” Dr. Mitchell said, he added a series of caveats. "

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/us/politics/khalid-shaikh-mohammed-threat-torture.html

I hope I never see any of these guys within my reach.

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Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« Reply #152 on: February 04, 2020, 06:30:55 AM »
Pierce at Esquire: Mitchell and Jessen are without conscience

"Mitchell is our own monster, as is his running buddy, John Bruce Jessen. The two of them were allowed to be monsters by the American government of the time. The two of them were paid handsomely to be monsters by the American government of the time. The two of them were paid handsomely to create monsters out of other people, and they did that job remarkably well. "

"  One of them died in custody. Dr. Mitchell said at the time that it was “regrettable that one guy died and those other guys were treated badly.” But he said he and Dr. Jessen “were not responsible for it.” "

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a30691635/james-mitchell-cia-torture-program-testimony-guantanamo-bay/

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Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« Reply #153 on: February 04, 2020, 08:06:05 PM »
^^
The repetition of the phrase "American government of the time" leads me to ask what differentiates the American government of that time from subsequent American governments that have continuously sheltered and protected these monsters?


America's closest allies are certainly aiding, abetting and sanctioning these monstrous institutional crimes if only by their silence.
 
Before Canada, or the UK, delivers anyone into the gaping maw of American 'Justice', an open discussion needs to be had regarding the isolation, torture, maiming and murder of suspects and convicts while in American hands. Canadian and UK judges need to be held responsible for their actions. The governments that these judges serve will eventually face the voters.


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Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« Reply #154 on: February 05, 2020, 06:12:41 AM »
^^
The voters will never hold them responsible in my estimate.

For that to happen, a critical investigative open and free media is required. People don't know and have been brainwashed with 'american' propaganda for decades. Most news channels are guilty of censorship and give a lopsided world view.

We in the E.U. tolerate Guantanamo Bay but our E.U. leaders have to mention human rights when visiting e.g. China.
It is a shame that we in the E.U. are on 'their side', subservant to the U.S.A.: The axis of evil (they started this modern episode with Little Boy and McCarthy I think).
People have already forgotten about the very shocking wikileaks and NSA revelations a couple of years ago.
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Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« Reply #155 on: February 05, 2020, 08:17:16 AM »
^^
Unfortunately I agree.
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« Reply #156 on: February 05, 2020, 01:59:33 PM »
^^
The voters will never hold them responsible in my estimate.

For that to happen, a critical investigative open and free media is required. People don't know and have been brainwashed with 'american' propaganda for decades. Most news channels are guilty of censorship and give a lopsided world view.

We in the E.U. tolerate Guantanamo Bay but our E.U. leaders have to mention human rights when visiting e.g. China.
It is a shame that we in the E.U. are on 'their side', subservant to the U.S.A.: The axis of evil (they started this modern episode with Little Boy and McCarthy I think).
People have already forgotten about the very shocking wikileaks and NSA revelations a couple of years ago.

+1 can't be put better than this plus the lot more that would be to tell that would fill book-shelves ;)

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Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« Reply #157 on: February 05, 2020, 04:27:26 PM »
Thank you for your words.

Quote from: philopek
"+1"
Where's my +1? ;)
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Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« Reply #158 on: February 05, 2020, 08:23:56 PM »
Thank you for your words.

Quote from: philopek
"+1"
Where's my +1? ;)

sorry if I'm missing the point, the +1 was in reply to your post, the one i quoted. help me out, sometimes i lose track and sometimes others do  ;)

however, it was your post that goes along with my exact way of thinking on the matter.

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Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« Reply #159 on: February 06, 2020, 07:04:04 AM »
Thanks philopek. I thought that '+1' means 'a like given' and I didn't see that in the totals beneath my profile photo. Perhaps I've missed it. It's not important at all.
Have a great day my friend.
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« Reply #160 on: Today at 08:18:33 AM »
Clahchischiligi at the guardian: Age, hunger, disease and death in the First Nations

"a grandmother in her 70s, lives with her young granddaughter "

"Her grandmother sat slumped over the edge of a stained mattress. ... The girl had survived cancer and had lost her mother, while not yet 10 years old"

"On this hot summer day, the two were alone ...  no running water or indoor plumbing"

"the only reliable food she and her granddaughter can get – comes from the local senior center, which delivers a lunch they share Mondays through Fridays. On weekends, they fend for themselves."

"I’ve been a journalist for almost 20 years, and it was the first time I cried on assignment."

"a man in his 60s, lives in a dirt-floored shack with no running water, toilet, sink, kitchen – or electricity. "

"70, gets her water from a faucet outside her house. She has no indoor toilet ... she has no vehicle."

"The elders complained very little. It was as if they had accepted this way of life – living in desperate conditions, largely ignored by their community and political leaders. They were used to not being taken care of."

"the few people in the community who advocated for them faced retribution, I was told. If people talked to the media, they feared they would lose their jobs."

"none of the elders I spoke to had received a food donation. They lived too far away. They had no one to pick up the boxes for them."

"Some elders weren’t even aware the free food deliveries were happening. They had no phone, television or computer. Their contact with the outside world came from Navajo radio stations such as KTNN. Some had no contact at all."

"I’ve wondered whether they have enough to eat and whether anyone’s checked in on them. I’ve wondered if anyone else is wondering about them."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/06/navajo-nation-reservation-elderly-people-covid-19

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