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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2050 on: August 17, 2019, 09:42:12 PM »
Add NOAA & BEST to the list of July 2019 as warmest on record.  GISS should be there too once it's released.  BEST came in at +0.84°C above the 1950-1981 baseline.  A fairly large margin over the previous record: July 2016 +0.72°C.

GISS (V4) came in at +0.93°C, clearly warmer than the +0.85°C of July 2016.

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v4/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2051 on: August 21, 2019, 05:40:12 PM »
Global Warming: How Fast?

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So what can we say about Earth’s warming rate right now? Based on the smoothed model, I’d say it’s almost surely between 1.66 and 2.67 deg.C/century. The average rate from 1970 to now was between 1.70 and 1.95 deg.C/century. Note that the values from the straight-line model are well within the uncertainty range of the smoothed model, so we don’t have statistically significant evidence of any recent change in the warming rate since 1970. It’s certainly possible, we just don’t have solid evidence for it.
My opinion: the present warming rate is about 2.23 deg.C/century, but could be as low as 1.66 or 2.67. It might be substantially higher than its average-since-1970 value of 1.83, but then again it might not.

My other opinion: given that the uncertainty is so large, we should at least be prepared for the possibility that right now, Earth is warming substantially faster than it has for the last 50 years. If that’s true, it’s a matter of serious concern.

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2052 on: August 22, 2019, 10:55:26 AM »
Touching more on the acceleration of the last 50 years.  Here's BEST 1970-2019 with overlapping 30-year trends.  Each 30-year rate has been increasing starting with 1970-1999.  In order here's the rates: 1.60°C/century, 1.80°C/century & 2.00°C/century.

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2053 on: August 22, 2019, 02:31:24 PM »
Touching more on the acceleration of the last 50 years.  Here's BEST 1970-2019 with overlapping 30-year trends.  Each 30-year rate has been increasing starting with 1970-1999.  In order here's the rates: 1.60°C/century, 1.80°C/century & 2.00°C/century.
So the acceleration is 0.2 per decade?
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« Reply #2054 on: August 22, 2019, 02:57:33 PM »
No. The trends would be 0.16, 0.18 and .20 per decade for the overlapping 30 year periods. That's 0.02 deg C/decade.

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2055 on: August 22, 2019, 02:58:28 PM »
Touching more on the acceleration of the last 50 years.  Here's BEST 1970-2019 with overlapping 30-year trends.  Each 30-year rate has been increasing starting with 1970-1999.  In order here's the rates: 1.60°C/century, 1.80°C/century & 2.00°C/century.
So the acceleration is 0.2 per decade?
Acceleration units must have /t^2.
In this case it's 0.2C/century/decade.

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« Reply #2056 on: August 22, 2019, 04:03:31 PM »
So the acceleration is 0.2 per decade?
Acceleration units must have /t^2.
In this case it's 0.2C/century/decade.


Which I think would imply a 10% growth rate in the rate of increase, per decade, yes? Something like this:
Decade   Rise
2020           0.20
2030           0.22
2040          0.24
2050           0.27
2060           0.29
2070           0.32
2080           0.35
2090           0.39
2100           0.43

So, starting somewhat arbitrarily at 1.0 C over "baseline", and applying a 0.2 C/decade increase, increasing at 10% per decade, would give a temperature rise of something like this:

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2057 on: August 22, 2019, 06:03:40 PM »
That 3.5 degrees, plus the 1.0 or so degrees of warming so far, matches up pretty well with the "business as usual"

"Under RCP 8.5, the world’s average temperature would rise by 4.9 degrees Celsius"

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/rcp-85-the-climate-change-disaster-scenario/579700/

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2058 on: August 22, 2019, 06:05:57 PM »
Touching more on the acceleration of the last 50 years.  Here's BEST 1970-2019 with overlapping 30-year trends.  Each 30-year rate has been increasing starting with 1970-1999.  In order here's the rates: 1.60°C/century, 1.80°C/century & 2.00°C/century.
So the acceleration is 0.2 per decade?
Acceleration units must have /t^2.
In this case it's 0.2C/century/decade.
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« Reply #2059 on: August 22, 2019, 08:30:42 PM »
Personally, I'd be surprised if the second derivative (I hope I have that right!) of temperature didn't continue to increase.  The only thing that might slow down the rate of increase of the rate of increase would be a drastic, long-lasting  slowdown in the global economy (which will come before long).  But that might unleash a bout of aerosol-reduction heating.

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2060 on: August 22, 2019, 09:58:14 PM »
Acceleration should be expressed as  0.02C decade2

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2061 on: August 23, 2019, 12:43:23 AM »
So where do the 'well represented' ? ( in the paleo record?) 'Step ups' in global temps fit into all of this?

Where do the 'unique' responses that a 'warming' (at such a rate?) must bring? (Black Swan Events?)

Surely it's not about "How we are progressing" but " How we 'could' progress?"

Do we need to be 'hair triggered' for the first signs if an 'unexpected uptick' in rate of global temps?

Or do we know from past global experiences of such GHG increases, over such a short period, to feel 'self assured' that we got this?
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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2062 on: August 23, 2019, 06:02:13 AM »
^^

If I'm correct, before the Anthropocene, never have GHG so massively increased over such a short period, 75 years.
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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2063 on: August 27, 2019, 10:32:38 AM »
Reanalysis from Moyhu's site is on track for 2nd warmest August on GISS.  2016's +1.02°C is likely out of reach(we'll see).  Moyhu's latest reanalysis version hit July on the dot.  Through the 24th of August reanalyses is at +0.95°C GISS equivalent.  http://www.moyhu.org.s3.amazonaws.com/data/freq/ncep.html

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2064 on: September 16, 2019, 05:22:33 PM »
Global datasets are starting to come down for August 2019.  NOAA came in at +0.92°C which ties for 2nd warmest August.  YTD 2019 is at 3rd warmest behind 2016 & 2017. 

In 2017 September-December tails off as 2015 soars.  So 2019 could finish 2nd warmest year or 2015 may pass 2019 through December & this year finishes 3rd warmest.

**GISS-LOTI** came down right after this.  +0.90°C.  2nd warmest (alone) on NASA's dataset.
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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2065 on: September 17, 2019, 04:30:09 PM »

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2066 on: September 17, 2019, 05:40:56 PM »
I like those graphs BornFromTheVoid, they have the base line, clear axis names, units and a zero point :) .
The only thing that's missing is the delta_T from pre-industrial to the base line 1981-2010. But hardly anyone puts that in.
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« Reply #2067 on: September 18, 2019, 07:14:24 PM »
I like those graphs BornFromTheVoid, they have the base line, clear axis names, units and a zero point :) .
The only thing that's missing is the delta_T from pre-industrial to the base line 1981-2010. But hardly anyone puts that in.

Except that JMA use's a linear trend for a non-linear dataset.  The current rate of warming is more than double the 1890-2019 rate.  Very misleading to have that 0.70°C/Century on the chart.

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2068 on: September 19, 2019, 04:38:24 AM »
Thanks for the info and correction wolfpack513 :).
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« Reply #2069 on: September 19, 2019, 04:19:11 PM »
Thanks Nanning! :D   

Take Berkeley Earth global mean temperature for example.  The 20-year running average clearly shows steady warming since the 1970s which is much different than warming rates the prior 120 years.  The current warming rate of 2°C/century is 3 times that of the linear trend since 1850.

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2070 on: September 30, 2019, 08:15:36 PM »
Hot from the Press:- I really think you need to read it..... (my comments in italic)
Lots more in it on consequences etc.

https://library.wmo.int/doc_num.php?explnum_id=9936
The Global Climate in 2015–2019 from the World Meteorological Organisation


Air Temperatures
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The average global temperature for 2015–2019, which is currently estimated to be 1.1 ± 0.1 °C above pre-industrial (1850–1900) level, is therefore likely to be the warmest of any equivalent period on record. It is 0.20 ± 0.08 °C warmer than the average for 2011–2015.
That's a rate of 0.4 °C per decade. Hansen was right?
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The global mean land-surface air temperature for 2015–2019 was approximately 1.7 °C above pre-industrial and 0.3 °C warmer than 2011–2015.
That's a rate of 0.6 °C per decade
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The global mean sea-surface temperature for 2015–2019 was approximately 0.8  °C above pre-industrial and 0.13 °C warmer than 2011–2015.
That's a rate of 0.26 °C per decade

Sea Level Rise
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Over the five-year period 2014–2019, the rate of global mean sea-level rise has amounted to 5 mm/year. This is substantially faster than the average rate since 1993 of 3.2 mm/year. The observed rate of global mean sea-level rise has increased from 3.04 mm/year during the 10-year period 1997–2006 to 4.36 mm/year during the previous 10-year period 2007–2016

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Ocean heat content has reached new records since 2015. Measured over the layer from the surface to 700 meters depth, 2018 had the largest ocean heat content values on record, with 2017 ranking second and 2015 third. 2016 also had higher values than any pre-2015 year in most datasets. In the NCEI dataset, the ocean heat content anomaly (recomputed relative to the reference period 1981–2010) for 2018 was 13.0 x 1022 J for the 0–700 meter layer, and 18.2 x 1022 J for the 0–2000 meter layer, compared with the pre-2015 annual records of 9.5 x 1022 J and 14.3 x 1022 J, respectively.
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It is well established that this decreases the effectiveness of the ocean CO2 sink
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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2071 on: October 01, 2019, 01:01:21 AM »
^^
So - 1.5 C by 2030, unless things continue to speed up?


That's going to take some amazing mitigation. Thank god we've such wonderful politicians to lead us through these perilous times. ;)
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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2072 on: October 01, 2019, 05:44:36 AM »
The running five-year anomaly belies the recent cooling trend NW of the blob. Jan-Mar and Apr-Jun 2019 are below. The data is not dishonest since it is technically valid but I do not think it accurately reflects the current state of things as the snowfall anomalies have begun rolling positively in tandem with the worsening sea ice deficits.






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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2073 on: October 03, 2019, 04:46:00 AM »
Using a 5-year average?  Deniers do the same thing.  Be careful with cherry picking, it goes both ways.  Only 18 ONIs (ENSO) were at or below 0.0°C in the last 5 years.  2011-2015 there were 33 ONIs below 0.0°C.

20-year smooths is about as low as I like to go due to internal climate variability.  Still gives you about +1.2°C on BEST.  At current pace that's just under 15 years before +1.5°C

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« Reply #2074 on: October 03, 2019, 05:09:31 PM »
^^
So - 1.5 C by 2030, unless things continue to speed up?


That's going to take some amazing mitigation. Thank god we've such wonderful politicians to lead us through these perilous times. ;)
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The Uk Metoffice reckoned there might be a year or two of +1.5 in the 2020's - outliers due to temporary climatic conditions
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« Reply #2075 on: October 03, 2019, 11:03:25 PM »
^^
Gerontocrat, it seems as though we've run out of time to do much more than hunker down and face what's coming.


I haven't been overly impressed by our progress to date - your charts made things all too clear. We've had opportunities to cooperate but found more profit in competition. We could have legislated against mining exporting, or shipping coal, but we relied on "market forces" - forces totally divorced from any thought of survival.
Plans for initiating mitigation that begin decades after the crisis weren't just useless, they froze out other schemes that could have been initiated soon enough to have had some effect.


Nuclear power has always had it's dangers. Germany's sudden pull back necessitated increasing her reliance on coal, oil, and gas - then America slowed Germany's access to relatively clean Russian gas in hopes of replacing it with much dirtier LNG shipped across an ocean. Poland welcomed her transition to home grown coal - while the EU did nothing, even as the EU chides others for ignoring their Paris Accord commitments.


I'm not forgetting my own heavily hypocritical Canada. We recognized the necessity, most even had some sense of the urgency. We voted out the deniers, then our new "progressive" government opted to shore up the dirtiest oil producing scheme on the planet. We're a rich country that wouldn't have been brought to ruin by shutting down the tar sands, but we hadn't the political will to do the one meaningful thing we could have done as a country.


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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2076 on: October 04, 2019, 09:08:22 PM »
The World Just Had Another Month of Record Heat
https://earther.gizmodo.com/the-world-just-had-another-month-of-record-heat-1838771974

New data released by the Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S), the European Union’s climate agency, shows that last month tied for the hottest September on record. This adds to the stunning string of record or near-record heat the world has been dealing with since June and underscores the growing severity of the climate crisis.

The data released on Friday reveals that this past September was 1.2 degrees Celsius (2.2 degrees Fahrenheit) above the pre-industrial average. It was also 0.57 degrees Celsius (1 degree Fahrenheit) above the average September measured from 1981 to 2010, putting it “virtually on par” with September 2016

https://climate.copernicus.eu/surface-air-temperature-september-2019

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« Reply #2077 on: October 06, 2019, 09:53:55 PM »
The World Just Had Another Month of Record Heat
https://earther.gizmodo.com/the-world-just-had-another-month-of-record-heat-1838771974

The data released on Friday reveals that this past September was 1.2 degrees Celsius (2.2 degrees Fahrenheit) above the pre-industrial average. It was also 0.57 degrees Celsius (1 degree Fahrenheit) above the average September measured from 1981 to 2010, putting it “virtually on par” with September 2016

That means that we recovered from the post El Nino drop in just 3 years with a not very high Nino 3.4 anomaly. At the same time we have the growth in atmospheric CO2 concentrations in the high 2.5+ppm/yr range. Certainly not very comforting statistics.

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« Reply #2078 on: October 07, 2019, 03:12:57 PM »
That means that we recovered from the post El Nino drop in just 3 years with a not very high Nino 3.4 anomaly. At the same time we have the growth in atmospheric CO2 concentrations in the high 2.5+ppm/yr range. Certainly not very comforting statistics.
Well, you are certainly not overstating it :)

The big question is if post-2016 warming is caused by some kind of natural variability pushing up the rate of heating. If it isn't, we are truly and thoroughly screwed, unless there will be an overlooked negative feedback or perhaps a random cooling event.
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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2079 on: October 07, 2019, 04:09:01 PM »
Global temps between 2013-18 vs 2003-8 are up 0,23 C, which is pretty much the same as 2003-2008 vs 1993-1998 (0,22 C) - no accelaration there.
(NASA, giss - temp data).

We will likely see 0,5 C/ decade on NH midlatitude land for at least 2-3 decades in my view

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Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« Reply #2080 on: October 15, 2019, 01:30:42 PM »
2nd warmest September on record according to the JMA
https://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/gwp/temp/sep_wld.html



8 warmest Septembers all in the last 8 years.