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« Reply #300 on: July 22, 2015, 11:16:51 PM »
Another problem is that The Guardian is spouting only marginally less outlandish nonsense:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/20/arctic-sea-ice-volume-showed-strong-recovery-in-2013

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« Reply #301 on: July 23, 2015, 01:46:06 AM »
Similar write up by the CBC. I get the impression this was linked to a Cryosat-2 promotional effort.

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« Reply #302 on: July 23, 2015, 05:09:59 AM »
Reversible -- yes, every winter! You'd think Canadians would know better...
The Permian–Triassic extinction event, a.k.a. the Great Dying, occurred about 250 million years ago and is the most severe known extinction event. Up to 96% of all marine species and 70% of terrestrial vertebrate species became extinct; it is also the only known mass extinction of insects.

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« Reply #303 on: July 23, 2015, 09:27:55 AM »
There are enough people here who know these figures better than the average reader. Lets make this available in a concise form!
what are the cryostat numbers? Can somebody point to the monthly numbers (not just graph) for October 2010 to 2014
I would want to point out what the difference between oct13 and oct12 is relative to yearly melt volume i.e. meltvolume in 13 was xx% smaller than in 12.
On the ridiculous claim in the Daily Mail "bigger than at any time" I looked up these figures at NSIDC sea ice index since 1979:
June 2015   3rd smallest ext   6th smallest area
May  2015   3rd smallest ext   4th smallest area
April 2015   2nd smallest ext   8th smallest area
March2015       smallest ext    5th smallest area
Feb 2015    3rd smallest ext   11th smallest area
Jan 2015    4th smallest ext     9th smallest area
does that look right?

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« Reply #304 on: July 23, 2015, 09:55:17 AM »

what are the cryostat numbers? Can somebody point to the monthly numbers (not just graph) for October 2010 to 2014


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201010   6536.5557
201011  11555.8098
201012  14795.9752
201101  19062.6465
201102  22941.1395
201103  25554.6537
201104  25674.4696
201110   5285.7710
201111  10393.6171
201112  14260.6350
201201  19034.4468
201202  21914.0118
201203  25264.4449
201204  25277.3580
201210   5419.6971
201211  10169.5799
201212  14236.0916
201301  18041.6983
201302  20869.0761
201303  24601.5179
201304  24265.1174
201310   8879.8820
201311  13095.3897
201312  17235.3437
201401  21020.1913
201402  23995.5547
201403  26838.7185
201404  26420.0175
201410   7632.6782
201411  13032.8434
201412  16795.5443
201501  20503.3015


This data is from a file on their website that was briefly available in April. I see no data or even graphs of the volume after Feb 15 (the prelim Feb number was mentioned on the press release as 24000)

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« Reply #305 on: July 23, 2015, 12:10:08 PM »
Snow White has now put her poison pen to virtual paper:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2015/07/an-inconvenient-truth-about-the-mails-climate-coverage/

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« Reply #306 on: July 23, 2015, 05:59:32 PM »
I've already received a reply to my official complaint from one of The Mail's legal eagles :)

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2015/07/an-inconvenient-truth-about-the-mails-climate-coverage/#comment-210847

A packet of peanuts for the first person to spot the minor arithmetical error. See also:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/arctic-ice-volume-2015.html
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« Reply #307 on: July 23, 2015, 06:49:31 PM »
From the lawyer's letter:

"This is a quote from that IPCC report (p4 notes). ‘The annual mean Arctic sea-ice extent decreased over the period 1979 to 2012, with a rate that was very likely in the range 3.5 to 4.1% per decade.’

Given that there are over three decades between 1979 and 2012, the shrinkage of the ice-cap couldn’t have been more than 12 per cent. Therefore the 41 per cent increase in the ice-cap reported by the UCL study must presumably mean that it’s bigger than in 1979 – i.e. decades ago."

4% per decade is presumably cumulative, but (s)he apparently just (stupidly) multiplied 4 percent by 3 decades to get his 12%. (Do I get some peanuts yet?)
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« Reply #308 on: July 23, 2015, 07:12:30 PM »
I've already received a reply to my official complaint from one of The Mail's legal eagles :)

A packet of peanuts for the first person to spot the minor arithmetical error. See also:


LOL Have you explained their error?
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« Reply #309 on: July 23, 2015, 07:38:27 PM »
A bigger problem than the math is that the IPCC report was referring to the mean (i.e., average) extent, while the 41% presumably refers to the minimum.

Apparently they believe that 1 +(.041 x 3) Apples > 1.41 Oranges, while we all know the opposite is true :).

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« Reply #310 on: July 23, 2015, 07:57:10 PM »
Have you explained their error?

Not yet. Don't forget that :

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This item was written on the basis of a UCL report that formed this story....

Have you read the UCL paper yet? I don't think the legal eagle has!
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« Reply #311 on: July 23, 2015, 08:39:25 PM »
"This is a quote from that IPCC report (p4 notes). ‘The annual mean Arctic sea-ice extent decreased over the period 1979 to 2012, with a rate that was very likely in the range 3.5 to 4.1% per decade.’

Given that there are over three decades between 1979 and 2012, the shrinkage of the ice-cap couldn’t have been more than 12 per cent. Therefore the 41 per cent increase in the [volume minumum] ice-cap reported by the UCL study must presumably mean that it’s bigger than in 1979 – i.e. decades ago."

Even a first year legal aide would know better.

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« Reply #312 on: July 23, 2015, 11:14:02 PM »
Just heard Adam Rutherford on BBC4 inside science talk to Rachel Tilling. He made reasonable comments but missed the main point that the increase has to be seen in the context of a yearly melt which is much larger than the difference between two small end of summer ice remnants.
I sent that in as a comment and would encourage others to have their own comments. He is a sensible guy who corrects himself when he gets things wrong.

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« Reply #313 on: July 24, 2015, 12:05:17 AM »
I sent that in as a comment and would encourage others to have their own comments.

Did you just send them an email, or did you go through the "official" BBC complaints procedure? I tried that once:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2013/10/broadcasting-houses-million-square-kilometre-blunder/

As you can see, that didn't get me very far!
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« Reply #314 on: July 24, 2015, 12:54:02 AM »
P.S. I gatecrashed the party with a dissenting Tweet:

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/624351318413561856
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« Reply #315 on: July 24, 2015, 01:01:58 AM »
P.P.S. Then I gatecrashed David Rose's party too:

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/624353441846943744
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« Reply #316 on: July 24, 2015, 01:58:08 AM »
I sent that in as a comment and would encourage others to have their own comments.

See what I mean?

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Hello Adam,

Further to your recent interview with Rachel Tilling, and your joint Twitter conversation with my alter ego "Snow White", I'd like to reiterate how disappointed the two of us are that during your conversation with Rachel there was no mention of "41% of nothing". Twitter speak for "Doesn't anybody at the BBC have the faintest idea what Arctic sea ice volume was 30 years ago, in April and in October?"

By way of additional context see e.g.

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2015/07/an-inconvenient-truth-about-the-mails-climate-coverage/
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2015/07/cool-arctic-summer-brought-brief-recovery-in-2013-sea-ice-loss/
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/resources/

Yours in dismay,

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Dear Sir or Madam

Thank you very much for your email. While all emails are read - and we appreciate input from listeners - we cannot reply to each one individually. There are simply too many!

For more information about Inside Science, please go to our webpage:

Inside Science, Radio 4
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036f7w2
 
For individual programmes, click on 'Episodes'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036f7w2/episodes/guide

Once you have located a particular programme page, you will see a link to 'Listen now'- on the picture of Dr. Adam Rutherford.   
'Related Links' are found further down on the right hand side of the page.

Downloads/Podcasts of Inside Science are available at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/inscience

Thanks again and do keep sending your comments in - listener feedback helps us make better programmes for you.

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« Reply #317 on: July 24, 2015, 09:24:15 AM »
I just trust that sound arguments made by many people will reach Adam and be aired on his next program. If not I will tell him off the next time I see him.

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« Reply #318 on: July 24, 2015, 12:30:54 PM »
I just trust that sound arguments made by many people will reach Adam and be aired on his next program. If not I will tell him off the next time I see him.

I've told him off already! I may even have blagged a spot on his next "Arctic Special"  8)

https://twitter.com/AdamRutherford/status/624506839217098752

and the associated blog post:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2015/07/inside-the-bbcs-arctic-sea-ice-science/
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« Reply #319 on: July 25, 2015, 12:36:29 AM »
I've been informed by a fellow complainant that the Daily Mail have replaced the word "decades" by "years" in the online version of their ludicrously inept leader:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2015/07/an-inconvenient-truth-about-the-mails-climate-coverage/#comment-210887

Meanwhile on the BBC front:

https://storify.com/jim_hunt/inside-the-bbc-s-arctic-sea-ice-science

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According to the Polar Portal Arctic sea ice volume "is back down now". No mention of that by the Beeb though!
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« Reply #320 on: July 26, 2015, 09:10:02 AM »
I didn't think my contempt for these people could sink any lower, but it has.

If there is any truth whatsoever in their latest attempt to assassinate the character of Professor Peter Wadhams then the Great British gutter press have recently been hounding the partner of the late Professor Seymour Laxon. Here are the edited lowlights so far:

Lorryless Assassination for Dummies

Disgusted of Dunchideock

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« Reply #321 on: July 28, 2015, 08:32:12 AM »
The Guardian has carried an article mentioning the sterling work of Phil and "Snow White" referred to above:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/jul/27/daily-mail-telegraph-wrong-arctic-sea-ice"

The Daily Mail still haven't drawn the attention of their online readers to the change, and as far as I am aware the same is true of the print version of the "editorial comment" in question:

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« Reply #322 on: July 28, 2015, 08:38:43 AM »
Professor Peter Wadhams has come out fighting and complained to the UK’s Independent Press Standards Organisation about recent newspaper articles that “ha[ve] substantially damaged my reputation for scientific integrity, and I believe that this was the deliberate intention”.

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2015/07/professor-peter-wadhams-complaint-to-ipso/

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I did not make any of the statements enclosed in quotation marks by the reporter. Webster promised that this was in confidence and that if he wanted to use it he would contact me first. The next thing I saw was the article plastered over Saturday’s “Times”. He had clearly done some research in procuring photographs, but did not bother to contact me, and broke his promise of confidentiality.

Here's a slideshow revealing the edited lowlights of the story so far:

https://storify.com/jim_hunt/assassination-without-a-lorry-for-dummies

The Guardian reports that a spokesperson for The Times said:

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« Reply #323 on: July 29, 2015, 12:07:32 PM »
There's still no rest for the wicked! The Independent published another "WadhamsGate" article on Monday. We brought the matter to their attention:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2015/07/professor-peter-wadhams-complaint-to-ipso/#comment-210964

and after a fair bit of pestering I am now reliably informed that they have finally done so and that some sort of "correction" will be forthcoming.

Meanwhile we also felt compelled to point out to the Daily Mail's legal eagle this morning that in our humble opinion they're still spouting ballcocks:

"Mail Makes 1000% Arctic Mistake"

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« Reply #324 on: July 30, 2015, 08:02:53 AM »
I've finally found the time to formally respond to the Daily Mail's legal eagle:

An Open Letter to the Reader’s Editor of the Daily Mail

The tell me they'd prefer future correspondence to be kept "off the record". My reply?

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« Reply #325 on: January 15, 2016, 10:31:56 AM »
It has recently been brought to my attention that David Rose has been regurgitating Goddard style Arctic propaganda on Twitter. Here is my alter ego's riposte:

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/687919611539517440

Any chance of a "retweet" or three?
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« Reply #326 on: January 15, 2016, 12:47:30 PM »
Mr. Rose has now engaged "Snow White" in conversation :)

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/687963297908436992
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« Reply #327 on: January 16, 2016, 01:55:18 PM »
Perhaps surprisingly Mr. Rose confided in me yesterday that:

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I'd guess [2015] was the hottest year in the instrumental record (high confidence)

https://twitter.com/DavidRoseUK/status/688136348943814656

I felt compelled to remind him this morning that (JAXA) Arctic sea ice extent is currently the lowest ever for the date (in their instrumental record)

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/688340525313855488
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« Reply #328 on: January 16, 2016, 04:38:11 PM »
Perhaps surprisingly Mr. Rose confided in me yesterday that:

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I'd guess [2015] was the hottest year in the instrumental record (high confidence)

https://twitter.com/DavidRoseUK/status/688136348943814656

I felt compelled to remind him this morning that (JAXA) Arctic sea ice extent is currently the lowest ever for the date (in their instrumental record)

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/688340525313855488

On that first link, I get "Sorry, that page does not exist."

Apparently, the twit has removed the tweet.

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« Reply #329 on: January 16, 2016, 06:50:38 PM »
Apparently, the twit has removed the tweet.

So it would seem! As luck would have it "Snow White" preserved a copy for posterity. "Her" reply to him is still there however:

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/688143752964132864

She has asked Mr. Rose for for an explanation:

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/688421137664061440

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« Reply #330 on: January 17, 2016, 12:55:01 PM »
Mr. Rose has not deigned to reply to my polite enquiry as yet, but his errant "satirical tweet" is nonetheless visible in our "Satirical Storify":

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/01/2015-really-is-the-warmest-year-in-modern-record/
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« Reply #331 on: January 24, 2016, 01:24:59 PM »
All the usual suspects have been bleating about how chilly it's been on the east coast of the good 'ol US of A recently.

"Snow White" couldn't take all that expulsion of asinine, ovine hot air lying down, and so.....

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/690961876113604609

At least Katherine Heyhoe liked her style!
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« Reply #332 on: January 26, 2016, 12:46:31 AM »
I like to keep suggesting that they look up the definition of "weather" and of "climate" and to learn that they are not synonyms.
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« Reply #333 on: January 26, 2016, 10:03:36 AM »
I like to keep suggesting that they look up the definition of "weather" and of "climate" and to learn that they are not synonyms.

Or even that the "weather" in the rest of the planet isn't necessarily identical to that on the east coast of the good 'ol US of A?

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/691250695106891776

Thus far The Mail hasn't followed its usual track at this time of year. James Delingpole is another slippery kettle of fish however!

https://archive.is/Ee1hp
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« Reply #334 on: January 31, 2016, 05:42:13 AM »
Just found this great website that provides scientific assessment of claims about AGW. No longer any need to debate with deniers just link them directly to the relevant  article here.

http://climatefeedback.org/

Example:
http://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/analysis-justin-gillis-2015-hottest-year-global-warming/

Given that  most of the nonsense is regurgitated nonsense it shouldn't take long for a response to  appear there.
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« Reply #335 on: January 31, 2016, 08:10:24 AM »
Wouldn't that require the deniers to actually accept, you know, facts, scientific methods, and reasoning? If so, not sure I see it happening.
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« Reply #336 on: January 31, 2016, 09:36:59 AM »
No longer any need to debate with deniers just link them directly to the relevant  article here.

http://climatefeedback.org/

Another such resource is of course Skeptical Science:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

However your suggestion would require that the "deniers" in question deign to publish such links. In practice this is not a trivial problem to solve!

Taking a topical example from the ASIB, can you see any evidence of my helpful link on this recent archive of Ron Clutz's "Science Matters" Arctic disinformation site?

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Re: The Mail's Great White Arctic Sea Ice Con
« Reply #337 on: January 31, 2016, 09:55:03 AM »
I'm a sucker for punishment, and I'm afraid I couldn't resist this temptation:

http://archive.is/H2BEu#selection-5461.0-5483.124

The helpful image I'm attempting to draw to Ron's attention looks like this:



and can be viewed in context here:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/resources/arctic-sea-ice-graphs/#MASIE
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« Reply #338 on: February 01, 2016, 07:50:11 PM »
Surprise, surprise.

Ron Clutz still hasn't got around to releasing my pertinent comment from moderational purgatory  :'(
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Re: The Mail's Great White Arctic Sea Ice Con
« Reply #339 on: February 04, 2016, 11:35:22 AM »
"Snow White" gets her knickers twisted by the Global Warming Policy Foundation/Forum and Ron Clutz. Neven, Chris Reynolds and "Tamino" are  mentioned in dispatches:

"The Great Global Warming Policy Forum Con"

not to mention:

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/695176179322642432

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Re: The Mail's Great White Arctic Sea Ice Con
« Reply #340 on: February 09, 2016, 02:18:20 PM »
"Steve Goddard" finally accepted my exceedingly generous gift of a bunch of pretty, early flowers :)

http://archive.is/3RkXw#selection-1749.0-1761.29
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« Reply #341 on: February 09, 2016, 02:24:11 PM »
"Steve"/Tony did of course block me on Twitter many moons ago. Nonetheless my alter ego is valiantly attempting to place the latest "Shock News!!!" from the cryosphere in view of his/their eagle eye(s):

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/697023696859439104

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« Reply #342 on: February 09, 2016, 03:09:49 PM »
while most people try to proof their points by pointing out temperature, melt rate and other charts i think that the answer to all deniers could be always the same and very short:

it's not the warming that is special, it has happened before, but it's the speed and the correlation between the warming curve and the level of industrialization that strongly hints to manmade impacts.

i'm sure that this quick reply note can be optimized but that's about it IMO we cannot proof human impact through the sheer fact that ice is melting faster and earlier but the above appears to be the point, at least to me.

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« Reply #343 on: February 12, 2016, 05:51:50 PM »
I have now made a modicum of progress in my attempts to bring the "Shock News!" about global sea ice area to the attentions of Messrs Monckton & Watts:

https://archive.is/MTd6A#selection-18485.0-18499.30

Benny Peiser from the GWPF still hasn't got back to me however,  after I placed my rigorously peer reviewed results in front of him:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/02/global-sea-ice-area-at-lowest-ever-level/

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Re: The Mail's Great White Arctic Sea Ice Con
« Reply #344 on: February 13, 2016, 01:14:41 AM »
Another comment from yours truly has now appeared over at WUWT with a third still waiting to see the cold light of day. In it I point out that Clive Best has now reproduced his Twittering conversation with Snow White on his own humble organ:

http://archive.is/D4ZpM

You will note from that archive that my recent helpful comment is currently still invisible. As Clive himself puts it:

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« Reply #345 on: February 13, 2016, 03:32:18 PM »
WUWT in their infinite wisdom have still failed to publish the previous comment of mine about global sea ice area. They have nonetheless now published a riposte from a certain "Monckton of Brenchley" to my previous gentle probing! Read all about it at:

For Life on Earth, Ice is not Generally a Good Thing!?

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« Reply #346 on: February 13, 2016, 03:56:59 PM »
I think that is their last position they will take.......that somehow a warmer earth, and an earth with more CO2 than we have is a good thing.

Think about all the "fails" that Anthony Putz (Watts) and his ilk have gone through:  (1) the earth is cooling (it's not), (2) the Greenland ice sheet is growing (it's not), (3) the Antarctic ice sheet is growing (it's not), (4) in 2010....the Arctic ice sheet is recovering (it's not), (5) CO2 doesn't affect warming of the atmosphere (it does)........even lame Joe Bastardi has lowered himself to using photoshop to lying about climate change.

When they have lied and mislead to their hearts content.....supported by the fossil fuel companies.....the last line of defense has to be:  Ice is bad.....warmer is better....the more CO2 the merrier.  That is all that is left to them......because facts, science, and truth are all working against them...



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« Reply #347 on: February 14, 2016, 10:23:56 PM »
I have been attempting to debate "energy policy" and "climate change" with the United Kingdom Independence Party's spokesman on such matters. He told me on Twitter that "I will debate any time Jim. But not in 140 characters."

After an agonising wait of well over a day he has finally deigned to communicate with me in the comment section of his blog!

http://archive.is/pdWZu#selection-2329.0-2341.29
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Re: The Mail's Great White Arctic Sea Ice Con
« Reply #348 on: February 18, 2016, 11:20:33 AM »
A transcript of my recent conversation about Arctic sea ice with Dr. Benny Peiser, Director of the Global Warming Policy Forum, is now available online at:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/02/the-great-global-warming-policy-forum-con/#Benny

Can you spot any difference between this graph:



and this one?



Apparently Benny can't!
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« Reply #349 on: February 19, 2016, 12:27:08 AM »
Benny Peiser may have gone to ground, but there's been a sudden burst of activity over at WUWT!

https://archive.is/s5Lot#selection-20617.0-20631.29

Some of my comments have been selectively displayed, whereas others remain invisible. Here they are:



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