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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #650 on: October 17, 2021, 10:26:25 PM »
Polynyas are typically caused by heat (typically water), but can also be caused by wind and currents that create cracks that widen to form areas of open sea (polynyas).
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #651 on: October 17, 2021, 11:13:28 PM »
A new study documents the formation of a 3,000-square-kilometer rift in the oldest and thickest Arctic ice. The area of open water, called a polynya, is the first to be identified in an area north of Ellesmere Island, Canada's northernmost island.

However in 2018:
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« Reply #652 on: October 18, 2021, 12:55:20 AM »
Jim,
In the article "First Observations of a Transient Polynya in the Last Ice Area North of Ellesmere Island" the authors focus on polynyas that sink north of Ellesmere well inside the pack and not on polynyas along the Ellesmere coast.
In the example you show it is a coastal polynya

"In this study, we report on a polynya that developed within the LIA to the north of Ellesmere Island during May 2020. Flaw leads, elongated regions of open water that develop along the interface between land fast and pack ice (Barber & Massom, 2007) are common in the region. Indeed Peary's 1909 sledding expedition to the North Pole was delayed as a result of a large flaw lead that developed north of Ellesmere Island (Peary, 1910). However, the development of a polynya in this region has not been reported previously. We use a variety of remotely sensed sea ice products as well as atmospheric reanalysis to document the evolution of the polynya and show that it was most likely the result of anomalously strong winds associated with an intense Arctic anti-cyclone. We also show that polynyas also occurred in May 1988 and 2004 under similar atmospheric forcing."

PS: I add figure 2 to this article (the underlining is mine)

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #653 on: October 18, 2021, 01:56:57 AM »
Paolo,

What with one thing and another, I've been working from Vox's precis and the image shown above.

I've not even clicked his link yet. Does it show?

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #654 on: October 18, 2021, 02:08:32 AM »
G. W. K. Moore et al, First Observations of a Transient Polynya in the Last Ice Area North of Ellesmere Island, Geophysical Research Letters (2021).
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021GL095099

Open access, Paolo's quote is from the tail end of the Intro
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #655 on: October 18, 2021, 01:06:22 PM »
Paolo's quote is from the tail end of the Intro

A salient point which for some strange reason the article in Phys.org neglected to mention.
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #656 on: October 19, 2021, 06:18:01 PM »
Having now had time to read Kent Moore's paper, and what with one thing and another, I've put my views on the matter into virtual print:

https://GreatWhiteCon.info/2021/10/the-last-ice-area-in-the-arctic/

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Perhaps the polynya in question is indeed “unique in the month of May”, in which case it would no doubt have been helpful if the abstract and/or the introduction to the paper had mentioned this subtlety. Then the plethora of erroneous statements in the media like the one recently referenced by Mark Lynas on Twitter might have been avoided?

Here's a movie of the "unique event":

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #657 on: October 19, 2021, 08:28:16 PM »
Thanks Jim, for due diligence
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #658 on: October 19, 2021, 09:05:05 PM »
Ancient Driftwood Tracks 500 Years of Arctic Warming and Sea Ice
https://phys.org/news/2021-10-ancient-driftwood-tracks-years-arctic.html



A new study reconstructs the path of frozen trees as they made their way across the Arctic Ocean over 500 years, giving scientists a unique look into changes in sea ice and currents over the last half millennium.

By dating and tracing pieces of driftwood on beaches in Svalbard, Norway's archipelago in the Arctic Circle, scientists have determined where these fallen trees floated. Retracing the driftwood's journey let the researchers reconstruct, for the first time, both the level of sea ice over time and the currents that propelled the driftwood-laden ice.

Borne by rivers to the ocean, fallen trees from the north's expansive boreal forests can be frozen in sea ice and float far, but the new research shows fewer trees are making the long journey as the sea ice that carries them shrinks away.

The new study found a distinct drop in new driftwood arrivals over the last 30 years, reflecting the steep decline in sea ice coverage in a warming Arctic and provides a higher-resolution picture of past Arctic Ocean conditions than other methods allow. The study is published in the Journal of Geophysical Research: Oceans, which publishes research that advances our understanding of the ocean and its processes.

... In the summer months of 2016 and 2018, Hole and her collaborators combed several beaches in northern Svalbard for driftwood. Back in the lab, they analyzed the tree rings to determine what kind of tree it was and compared the tree ring patterns of each driftwood slice to a database of measured rings from trees across the boreal forests. Hole could then trace trees to individual countries, watersheds and even rivers and see how driftwood sources varied over time. ...



Georgia M. Hole et al, A Driftwood‐Based Record of Arctic Sea Ice During the Last 500 Years From Northern Svalbard Reveals Sea Ice Dynamics in the Arctic Ocean and Arctic Peripheral Seas, Journal of Geophysical Research: Oceans (2021)
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021JC017563
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #659 on: October 19, 2021, 09:08:43 PM »
Scientists Discover Large Rift In the Arctic's Last Bastion of Thick Sea Ice

In May 2020, a hole a little smaller than the state of Rhode Island opened up for two weeks in the Last Ice Area, a million-square-kilometer patch of sea ice north of Greenland and Ellesmere Island that's expected to be the last refuge of ice in a rapidly warming Arctic.

He combed through decades of sea-ice imagery and atmospheric data and found that polynyas formed there at least twice before, under similar conditions in 2004 and 1988, but no one had noticed.

2020, 2004, 1988.

If my brain is working correctly today, did anyone notice this is exactly 16 years apart? Kinda an odd pattern (I guess technically it's an even pattern ha ha). Probably worth noting? Especially if it begins to happen more frequently at any point.
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #660 on: October 19, 2021, 09:20:50 PM »
16 years? Not sure, found one for 18+ years

A lunar standstill occurs every 18.6 years due to the precessional cycle of the lunar nodes at that rate, alternating between major and minor. During a minor lunar standstill, tidal forces are increased, leading to increased amplitude of tides and tidal flooding.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_standstill

or ...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-33526-4

In this study, we discovered a statistically significant relationship between ENSO timing and the 18.6-year period lunar tidal cycle in the mature-phase (December–February) ENSO time-series during 1867–2015 and extending back to 1706 with proxy data. It was found that El-Niño tended to occur in the 1st, 10th, and 13th years after the maximum diurnal tide in the 18.6-yr cycle, and La-Niña tended to occur in the 3rd, 12th, and 16th years.  These tendencies were also confirmed by corresponding sea-surface temperature (SST) and sea-level pressure (SLP) distributions; particularly Pacific SST and SLP spatial patterns in the third La-Niña and the tenth El-Niño year well resemble those of Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). These findings contribute to understanding and forecasting long-term ENSO variability.
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #661 on: November 11, 2021, 11:06:44 PM »
Norwegian Undersea Surveillance Network Had Its Cables Mysteriously Cut
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43094/norwegian-undersea-surveillance-network-had-its-cables-mysteriously-cut

The IMR, one of the biggest marine research institutes in Europe, described “extensive damage” to the outer areas of the Lofoten-Vesterålen (LoVe) Ocean Observatory, putting the system offline.

LoVe's stated purpose is to use its sensors to monitor the effects of climate change, methane emissions, and fish stocks, providing scientists with a live feed of imagery, sound, and other data.

The system also monitors submarine activity in the area, so will immediately be of interest to the Russian Navy, in particular.

“Something or someone has torn out cables in outlying areas,” Geir Pedersen, the LoVe project leader, said in a press statement last Friday. Reports indicate that more than 2.5 miles of fiber optic and electrical cables were severed and then removed. In total, LoVe uses more than 40 miles of cables in the Norwegian Sea. ...

... It’s also unclear what has happened to the missing cable, around 9.5 tons in all, which has not been recovered.

... While the area is very close to the Norwegian coast, it’s also adjacent to the Greenland, Iceland, United Kingdom Gap, or GIUK Gap, a major strategic bottleneck through which Russian submarines would need to break through undetected if they wish to move out into the wider Atlantic without being traced.

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #662 on: November 24, 2021, 08:44:59 PM »
Arctic Ocean Started Getting Warmer Decades Earlier Than Thought, Study Finds
https://phys.org/news/2021-11-arctic-ocean-warmer-decades-earlier.html

The Arctic Ocean has been getting warmer since the beginning of the 20th century—decades earlier than records suggest—due to warmer water flowing into the delicate polar ecosystem from the Atlantic Ocean.

An international group of researchers reconstructed the recent history of ocean warming at the gateway to the Arctic Ocean in a region called the Fram Strait, between Greenland and Svalbard.



Using the chemical signatures found in marine microorganisms, the researchers found that the Arctic Ocean began warming rapidly at the beginning of the last century as warmer and saltier waters flowed in from the Atlantic—a phenomenon called Atlantification—and that this change likely preceeded the warming documented by modern instrumental measurements. Since 1900, the ocean temperature has risen by approximately 2 degrees Celsius, while sea ice has retreated and salinity has increased.

The results, reported in the journal Science Advances, provide the first historical perspective on Atlantification of the Arctic Ocean and reveal a connection with the North Atlantic that is much stronger than previously thought. The connection is capable of shaping Arctic climate variability, which could have important implications for sea-ice retreat and global sea level rise as the polar ice sheets continue to melt.



The researchers used geochemical and ecological data from ocean sediments to reconstruct the change in water column properties over the past 800 years. They precisely dated sediments using a combination of methods and looked for diagnostic signs of Atlantification, like change in temperature and salinity.

"When we looked at the whole 800-year timescale, our temperature and salinity records look pretty constant," said co-lead author Dr. Tesi Tommaso from the Institute of Polar Sciences of the National Research Council in Bologna. "But all of a sudden at the start of the 20th century, you get this marked change in temperature and salinity—it really sticks out."



"The reason for this rapid Atlantification of at the gate of the Arctic Ocean is intriguing," said Muschitiello. "We compared our results with the ocean circulation at lower latitudes and found there is a strong correlation with the slowdown of dense water formation in the Labrador Sea. In a future warming scenario, the deep circulation in this subpolar region is expected to further decrease because of the thawing of the Greenland ice sheet. Our results imply that we might expect further Arctic Atlantification in the future because of climate change."

The researchers say that their results also expose a possible flaw in climate models, because they do not reproduce this early Atlantification at the beginning of the last century.

"Climate simulations generally do not reproduce this kind of warming in the Arctic Ocean, meaning there's an incomplete understanding of the mechanisms driving Atlantification," said Tommaso. "We rely on these simulations to project future climate change, but the lack of any signs of an early warming in the Arctic Ocean is a missing piece of the puzzle."

Tommaso Tesi, Rapid Atlantification along the Fram Strait at the beginning of the 20th century, Science Advances (2021)
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abj2946


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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #663 on: December 01, 2021, 03:23:57 AM »
     Excellent and concise 3-page update on ASI in "State of the Cryosphere" report published Nov. 2021 at https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DlMG64Gs2yErkI9zS1Aiw6Yj_OpdlP4x/view
     Top tier list of authors, speaking plainly and bluntly to the point.  The 40-page publication also succinctly summarizes status and prospects for polar oceans, permafrost, ice sheets, sea level etc. in a best-case example of science communication done well.

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    "We cannot negotiate with the melting point of ice."

Second of 4 scenarios:
"Fulfillment of “Optimistic” NDCs (2.1°C in 2100 and rising)
     Summer sea ice will disappear nearly every September starting at ~1.7°C global warming, and the autumn freeze-up process will begin later. By the 2.2°C peak, ice-free conditions will occur as early as June and persist well into November."

Third scenario
"Currently Implemented NDCs and Policies (2.7–3.1°C in 2100 and rising)
     The 1.7°C summer loss threshold will be reached far earlier, by ~2040. Ice-free conditions during much of spring and fall, as well as summer will further accelerate sea-level rise and permafrost emissions further.  Ecosystem disruption will extend farther south, reaching
also into near-Arctic waters such as the Barents, Bering, and North seas.",...

     "Summer Arctic sea ice extent has often been considered a bellwether of climate change, with great attention paid to the September minimum each year.  In reality however, sea ice thickness and extent have declined in all months; and the consensus of sea ice scientists is that the ice cover has already fundamentally changed, crossing a threshold to a new state.  Thinner and younger ice has replaced much of the multi-year ice that used to circulate over several years around the North Pole, before being discharged into the North Atlantic Ocean.  This “ecosystem of ice” no longer exists.  Instead, more than three-quarters of Arctic sea ice now consists of first-year ice that largely melts each summer; the “older” ice now exists on average for only 1–3 years."
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #664 on: December 01, 2021, 06:31:44 AM »
McCrystall, M.R., Stroeve, J., Serreze, M. et al. New climate models reveal faster and larger increases in Arctic precipitation than previously projected. Nat Commun 12, 6765 (2021).
https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-021-27031-y

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As the Arctic continues to warm faster than the rest of the planet, evidence mounts that the region is experiencing unprecedented environmental change. The hydrological cycle is projected to intensify throughout the twenty-first century, with increased evaporation from expanding open water areas and more precipitation. The latest projections from the sixth phase of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project (CMIP6) point to more rapid Arctic warming and sea-ice loss by the year 2100 than in previous projections, and consequently, larger and faster changes in the hydrological cycle. Arctic precipitation (rainfall) increases more rapidly in CMIP6 than in CMIP5 due to greater global warming and poleward moisture transport, greater Arctic amplification and sea-ice loss and increased sensitivity of precipitation to Arctic warming. The transition from a snow- to rain-dominated Arctic in the summer and autumn is projected to occur decades earlier and at a lower level of global warming, potentially under 1.5 °C, with profound climatic, ecosystem and socio-economic impacts.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-27031-y
Which is the best answer to Sep-2012 ASI lost (compared to 1979-2000)?
50% [NSIDC Extent] or
73% [PIOMAS Volume]

Volume is harder to measure than extent, but 3-dimensional space is real, 2D's hide ~50% thickness gone.
-> IPCC/NSIDC trends [based on extent] underestimate the real speed of ASI lost.

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« Reply #665 on: December 08, 2021, 12:03:39 PM »
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/935567

SEATTLE, December 2, 2021 -- Killer whales are intelligent, adaptive predators, often teaming up to take down larger prey. Continuous reduction in sea ice in the Arctic Ocean is opening areas to increased killer whale dwelling and predation, potentially creating an ecological imbalance.

During the 181st Meeting of the Acoustical Society of America, which will be held Nov. 29-Dec. 3, Brynn Kimber, from the University of Washington, will discuss how killer whales have spent more time than previously recorded in the Arctic, following the decrease in sea ice. The talk, "Tracking killer whale movements in the Alaskan Artic relative to a loss of sea ice," will take place Thursday, Dec. 2, at 5:35 p.m. Eastern U.S. at the Hyatt Regency Seattle.

Killer whales will often travel to different areas to target varieties of prey. In a study including eight years of passive acoustic data, Kimber and their team monitored killer whale movements using acoustic tools, finding killer whales are spending more time than previously recorded in the Arctic Ocean, despite risks of ice entrapment there. Their readings indicate this change is directly following the decrease in sea ice in the area.

"It's not necessarily that killer whales haven't been reported in these areas before, but that they appear to be remaining in the area for longer periods of time," said Kimber. "This is likely in response to a longer open water season."

The reduction in sea ice may have opened new hunting opportunities for killer whales if certain species of prey are unable to use the ice to avoid the highly adaptive predator. For example, the endangered bowhead whale is vulnerable to predation by killer whales, likely to increase due to longer open water seasons.

"Although there is high spatial and interannual variability, the September Arctic sea ice minimum is declining at an average rate of 13% per decade, when compared to values from 1981 to 2010," said Kimber. "Killer whales are being observed in the Chukchi Sea (in the Arctic Ocean) in months that were historically ice covered and more consistently throughout the summer."



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« Reply #666 on: December 14, 2021, 04:10:45 PM »
Arctic heat record is like Mediterranean, says UN

The highest temperature ever recorded in the Arctic, 38C (100F), has been officially confirmed, sounding "alarm bells" over Earth's changing climate.

The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) on Tuesday verified the record, reported in the Siberian town of Verkhoyansk on 20 June last year.

The temperature was 18C higher than the area's average daily maximum for June.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-59649066

Reported before but now it is official. Pretty impressive temperature and it will be interesting to see what the next years will bring.
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #667 on: December 15, 2021, 09:33:51 PM »
The NOAA 2021 press conference "Arctic Report Card" has recently been published. It covers various topics from melting permafrost, shrinking ice, endangered habitats to CoViD19-related problems in indigenous societies.
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« Reply #668 on: December 17, 2021, 11:16:51 AM »
Whoops?

https://www.science.org/content/article/arctic-warming-four-times-faster-rest-world
The Arctic is warming four times faster than the rest of the world

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It’s almost a mantra in climate science: The Arctic is warming twice as fast as the rest of the world. But that figure, found in scientific studies, advocacy reports, the popular press, and even the 2021 U.N. climate assessment, is incorrect, obscuring the true toll of global warming on the north, a team of climate scientists reports this week. In fact, the researchers say, the Arctic is warming four times faster than the global average.

“Everybody knows [the Arctic] is a canary when it comes to climate change,” says Peter Jacobs, a climate scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, who presented the work on 13 December at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union. “Yet we’re misreporting it by a factor of two. Which is just bananas.”

Researchers have long known the world warms faster in the far north, because of a phenomenon known as Arctic amplification. The drivers of amplification include increased solar heating, as dark ocean water replaces reflective sea ice, along with occasional intrusions of tropical heat, carried to the Arctic by “atmospheric rivers,” narrow parades of dense clouds that drag water vapor northward.

Jacob’s co-authors include researchers who oversee several influential global temperature records, and they noted the faster Arctic warming as they prepared to release the global temperature average for 2020. NASA’s internal peer reviewer challenged the higher figure, suggesting the scientific literature didn’t support it. But the researchers have found the four times ratio holds in record sets from both NASA (3.9) and the United Kingdom’s Met Office (4.1), and they hope to soon include the Berkeley Earth record. (Their work also has company: In July, a team at the Finnish Meteorological Institute posted a preprint also arguing for the four times figure.)

The researchers found Arctic warming has been underestimated for a couple of reasons. One is climate scientists’ tendency to chop each hemisphere into thirds and label the area above 60°N as the “Arctic”—an area that would include, for example, most of Scandinavia. But the true definition of the Arctic is defined by Earth’s tilt. And, as has been known for centuries, the Arctic Circle is a line starting at 66.6°N. When researchers lump in the lower latitudes, “you’re diluting the amount of Arctic warming you’re getting,” Jacobs says. “That is not a trivial thing.”

The other difference is the choice of time periods over which the warming rate is calculated. Jacobs and his colleagues focused on the past 30 years, when a linear warming trend emerged for the Arctic. Analyses that look at longer term trends see less divergence between the Arctic and the world. That’s because before 1990, the Arctic’s temperatures fluctuated, and even cooled for decades because of air pollution, including light-blocking sulfate aerosols that swept in from the northern midlatitudes, says Mark England, a climate scientist at the University of California, Santa Cruz, who is unaffiliated with the new work. As the world moves off fossil fuels and curbs pollution, he says, “this scenario is not going to repeat itself again.”


Overall, the researchers make a valuable point, England says. “I’m one of the people guilty of using the 60° mark. I guess a large number of people are.” One open question, he adds, is how much of the fast Arctic warming comes from human-driven climate change versus natural variability. Some of the Arctic temperature rise could be due to multidecadal temperature swings in the Atlantic Ocean in the 20th century, which some scientists believe are driven by the ocean’s intrinsic variability. Even so, “introducing this rigor in terms of 66° is a welcome development and I’ll certainly be doing that going forward,” England says.

Mark Serreze, director of the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center, also welcomes the new analysis but points out that Arctic amplification is never a fixed ratio. As the researchers showed, the time span used to calculate the rate matters, as does the latitude and season—amplification is far larger in the winter. Serreze adds that Arctic warming has always been more uncertain than the rest of the world, because of the spottiness of the observational records. “As a result, I’m always in favor of looking at it as a range,” he says. “Two times to four times.”

Wherever the exact ratio of amplification sits, its influence is undeniable, researchers say. Thawing permafrost is undermining Indigenous villages, summer sea ice is vanishing, and water is sluicing off Greenland’s ice sheet in record amounts.

The team also sees the work as a cautionary tale, says Jacobs, who also works on communications for NASA. “When something is changing as quickly as the climate, numbers can get old and outdated quickly,” he says. “Before you realize it, you’re misinforming people by a factor of two.”
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #669 on: December 17, 2021, 11:47:43 AM »
From the NOAA Arctic Report Card 2021 - Beavers colonising the Arctic tundra

https://arctic.noaa.gov/Report-Card/Report-Card-2021/ArtMID/8022/ArticleID/955/Beaver-Engineering-Tracking-a-New-Disturbance-in-the-Arctic

Beaver Engineering: Tracking a New Disturbance in the Arctic

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K. D. Tape1, J. A. Clark1, B. M. Jones2, H. C. Wheeler3, P. Marsh4, and F. Rosell5

1Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska Fairbanks, Fairbanks, AK, USA
2Water and Environmental Research Center, Institute of Northern Engineering, University of Alaska Fairbanks, Fairbanks, AK, USA
3School of Life Sciences, Anglia Ruskin University, Cambridge, UK
4Department of Geography, Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, ON, Canada
5Department of Natural Sciences and Environmental Health, University of South-Eastern Norway, Bø, Norway

Highlights
Recent satellite imagery and older aerial photography show that North American beavers (Castor canadensis) are colonizing the Arctic tundra of Alaska, with over 12,000 ponds thus far counted in western Alaska, a doubling of ponds since 2000.

In Canada, beaver pond mapping is underway, complemented by scattered observations of recent changes. Eurasian beavers (C. fiber) are rebounding in Asia but remain south of the Arctic tundra in most locations.

The Arctic Beaver Observation Network was established in 2020 to help integrate, guide, and disseminate information concerning beaver range expansion into tundra regions and implications for ecosystems and resources.

Introduction
Research on North American beaver (Castor canadensis) engineering in the Arctic has made great strides in recent years, but most of the work lies ahead. Over the last several decades, people in remote Alaska communities have observed an influx of beavers (ADF&G Reports 1965-2017). We quantified this trend by using satellite imagery to detect beaver pond formation in Alaska tundra regions, mapping approximately 12,000 beaver ponds (e.g., Fig. 1, right panel), including a doubling in most areas during the last 20 years (Tape et al. 2021). We showed that new beavers are controlling surface water increases, which affects underlying permafrost (Jones et al. 2020). Fieldwork is underway to characterize the impacts of beaver ponds on aquatic and terrestrial Arctic ecosystems, starting with hydrology and permafrost, and continuing downstream to methane flux, fish populations, and aquatic food webs. As a result of these efforts, most of the questions surrounding beaver engineering in the Arctic are presently being examined but are unanswered. To coordinate research and action among stakeholders in the circumarctic region, the Arctic Beaver Observation Network (A-BON) was formed in 2020 and a synthesis effort is underway to identify knowledge gaps and support the integration of different approaches and perspectives.



Fig. 1. Beaver engineering dramatically altered a tundra stream on the Seward Peninsula in western Alaska between 2003 and 2016. The enlarged black areas are new beaver ponds, the blue arrow shows flow direction, and magenta arrows denote dams. Ikonos satellite image: 6 Aug 2003, Worldview satellite image: 10 June 2016, 64° 33.52'N, 165° 50.12'W (Imagery © 2021 Maxar).

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In 2016 we imagined that beaver distribution and possible dispersal in the Arctic could be identified by mapping beaver ponds in satellite imagery and older aerial photography through time. Initial studies confirmed our suspicions (Tape et al. 2018), as did the observations of local people in northwest Alaska, who have been observing the influx of beavers for a half-century (ADF&G Reports 1965-2017). Yet the scale and magnitude of this new disturbance regime was unknown in Alaska and the circumarctic. We have since mapped approximately 12,000 beaver ponds (using 2015-19 imagery) in Arctic tundra of Alaska (e.g., Fig. 2). This mapping excludes southwest Alaska tundra and thus provides an underestimate of the total number of beaver ponds. Most areas show a doubling of beaver ponds in the last 20 years (Tape et al. 2021). In 1949-55 aerial photography covering coastal areas of western Alaska, there are no detectable beaver ponds. Stream by stream and floodplain by floodplain, beavers are transforming lowland tundra ecosystems. Increased vegetation productivity (see essay Tundra Greenness) and the expansion of woody shrubs (Myers-Smith et al. 2015) due to climate change has created more forage and dam construction materials, translating to more favorable habitat. The increase in winter stream discharge (St. Jacques and Sauchyn 2009) also implies greater aqueous habitat. Finally, the earlier end of winter and onset of spring (see essay Terrestrial Snow Cover), when beavers can again begin foraging, effectively shortens what is presumably the most challenging time in the annual life cycle of beavers. It remains unclear whether beaver colonization of the Arctic is occurring due to climate change ameliorating habitat or a decrease in trapping pressure, or some combination of both.



Fig. 2. Beaver lodge (center), dam (bottom center), and pond on the Seward Peninsula in western Alaska. (Credit: Ken Tape, Aug 2021)

In Canada, beaver distribution changes have also been observed both by local people and scientists. Concern over rising numbers of beavers in the Inuvialuit settlement region in the Northwest Territories in northwestern Canada was sufficient to instigate a harvesting incentive scheme in 2017. Although publications of academic studies of beavers in northern Canada have been sparse to date, there are reports of beavers north of the previously known range (Jung et al. 2016).

In Europe, Eurasian beavers (C. fiber) were widespread from the Arctic to the Mediterranean, before being substantially reduced around the twelfth century, and almost extinct by the sixteenth century. Today, the Eurasian beaver has restored a large area of its original range, and increased in numbers from around 1200 beavers a century ago to an estimated 1.5 million individuals today; beavers distribution reaches the northern coast throughout most of Europe (Halley et al. 2021). In Asia, beaver distribution remains well south of Arctic tundra regions, though recent northward range extensions have been observed (Halley et al. 2021). In general, research on beavers in Arctic tundra regions is in its early stages. A coordinated circumarctic beaver pond mapping effort is underway, which will hopefully establish the footprint, if not the nature, of this new disturbance regime in the Arctic.

Implications of beaver engineering in the Arctic
Beavers are a keystone species whose engineering is known to heavily influence streams, rivers, riparian corridors, and lakes in North America, Eurasia, and South America (Whitfield et al. 2015). Beavers are known to dramatically change the landscapes they inhabit by harvesting shrubs, saplings, and trees, which they use to construct dams, inundate the surrounding landscape, and create their watery world. Beavers build lodges of mud and vegetation in water that is deep enough for an underwater entrance that remains unfrozen and permits access for them, but not predators. By constructing dams, beavers severely alter the stream flow regime, which facilitates the arrival of new species, including riverine plants, invertebrates, and fish (Bunn and Arthington 2002). Beaver ponds in temperate ecosystems enhance aquatic habitat complexity and biodiversity.

It remains unclear how these impacts will be manifest in the Arctic, where low water temperatures inhibit stream productivity and biodiversity, and where permafrost holds much of the soil together. People living in remote communities are concerned for resources such as fish, water quality, and boat access (Moerlein and Carothers 2012). In an area of northwest Alaska with exceptional satellite imagery coverage, we discovered that beavers are the dominant factor (66%) controlling increases in surface water extent (Jones et al. 2020), which thaws underlying permafrost as it inundates tundra vegetation. Beaver dams divert flow, sometimes catastrophically when they fail, and can thaw and destabilize the landscape (Lewkowicz and Coultish 2004) through fluvio-erosional and thermokarst processes (Fig. 3). Thawing of permafrost associated with new beaver ponds would initially release carbon and methane stored in permafrost, though the magnitude and fate of these fluxes are complex and unknown. Permafrost thaw, thermokarst, and the inception of a more dynamic lowland Arctic ecosystem suggest an exacerbation of effects due to warming air temperatures. As beavers create thermal and biological oases by the thousands, they could provide a foothold for boreal aquatic species, including fish and aquatic invertebrates. For now, however, these remain hypotheses that will spawn downstream studies involving field measurements and local knowledge to answer.
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I would definitely claim that. It pairs up well with the recent developments around the Twaites glacier. We have been downplaying the consequences of our GHG output quite a bit but we can´t do that much longer.
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« Reply #671 on: December 29, 2021, 05:41:24 PM »
AGU21 Press conference: NOAA Arctic Report Card 2021

Þetta minnismerki er til vitnis um að við vitum hvað er að gerast og hvað þarf að gera. Aðeins þú veist hvort við gerðum eitthvað.

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #672 on: January 14, 2022, 03:34:09 PM »
Rivers Speeding Up Arctic Ice Melt at Alarming Rate, Experts Say
https://phys.org/news/2022-01-rivers-arctic-ice-alarming-experts.html

Freshwater flowing into the Arctic Ocean from the continent is thought to exacerbate Arctic amplification, but the extent of its impact isn't fully understood. New research led by Panyushkina measures how the flow of the Yenisei River—the largest freshwater river that flows into the Arctic Ocean—has changed over the last few hundred years, and describes the impact freshwater has had on the Arctic.

Previous studies have attributed recent changes in wintertime freshwater flow into the Arctic to warming air temperature, seasonal precipitation changes or snowpack. But more recent research, including Panyushkina's study, suggests that the primary driver is actually degradation of permafrost—or frozen ground—as well as forest fires across southern Siberia.

Panyushkina's research, funded by the National Science Foundation Polar Office, is published in the journal Environmental Research Letters.

... Annual stream flow information is commonly used by water managers to reveal the average changes in stream flow trends. But Panyushkina and her team did something novel when they decided to also investigate winter stream flow specifically.

"We found an unprecedented increase in the winter flow rate over the last 25 years," Panyushkina said. This winter flow rate is nearly 80% above the average seen over approximately 100 years.



"In contrast, annual flow fluctuated normally during the 300-year period, with only a 7% increase over the last 25 years," Panyushkina said.

... The winter stream flow data revealed the role of permafrost melt on Arctic ice.

Since ice covers rivers during winter in Siberia, the team's stream flow measurements only captured information about river water that originated underground rather than from the sky. That includes water from thawing permafrost, as well as water from sub-permafrost aquifers, as permafrost loss leads to an increased exchange of water between the river and aquifers. These two sources of groundwater are warm compared to the frigid air above, and when they eventually flow into the Arctic Ocean, they melt the ice.

... Forest fires are also thought to be a driver of Arctic ice melt.

"We know the frequency and intensity of forest fires in Siberia have been increasing," Panyushkina said. "When fires happen in forests with permafrost, there is deep thawing under the fire event, and the affected area often doesn't recover for up to 60 years. When we have large-scale fires and long-burning fires and more frequent fires, we're maybe hitting the critical point when permafrost degradation cannot return to normal. Forest fires are also another process that increases connectivity between aquifers and stream flow."

The combined effects of permafrost degradation and fires are very strong at the Yenisei River basin, with more fresh water and heat flowing into the Arctic Ocean in recent decades, according to the study. In turn, melting sea ice also exacerbates global warming.

... "There are two more Siberian rivers similar in size to the Yenisei," she said. "If we can quantify the stream flow from those rivers, we'll have more precise and clear understanding of its impact on the Arctic."



Irina P Panyushkina et al, Unprecedented acceleration of winter discharge of Upper Yenisei River inferred from tree rings, Environmental Research Letters (2021)
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac3e20
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« Reply #673 on: January 24, 2022, 05:38:31 AM »
Excellent article about rapid changes in the Arctic - a lot of information, including some good details on snow physics, much of which I recognized but others I didn't know (such that above -6C snow starts to compact).

The rapid spread of the treeline is probbly the biggest worry in the long run. In the short run, a way of life that has existed for thousands of years seems set to vanish within a generation.

‘The treeline is out of control’: how the climate crisis is turning the Arctic green
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« Reply #674 on: January 24, 2022, 08:49:08 AM »
Excellent article about rapid changes in the Arctic - a lot of information, including some good details on snow physics, much of which I recognized but others I didn't know (such that above -6C snow starts to compact).

The rapid spread of the treeline is probbly the biggest worry in the long run. In the short run, a way of life that has existed for thousands of years seems set to vanish within a generation.

‘The treeline is out of control’: how the climate crisis is turning the Arctic green

The article is truly interesting and totally worth reading and it is a tragedy for these people. However, there's always been change everywhere. My own place, the Carpathian Basin was a tundra until the end of the last ice age. Mammoth hunters lived here. But then (just like with the Sami in the article) birch appeared and pine and it was over for the mammoth hunters. Then hazel appeared (possibly helped by humans) and it likely became the basis of their lives together with hunting. Then hazel declined and came the age of oaks and beeches and all those who depended on hazelnuts had to start Neolithic slash and burn farming. And so on and on and on.

The Arctic is definitely changing and is seeing the fastest change of all areas due to Arctic Amplification. And it will most likely continue for decades still

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #675 on: January 24, 2022, 04:31:06 PM »
Lars H. Smedsrud et al, Nordic Seas Heat Loss, Atlantic Inflow, and Arctic Sea Ice Cover Over the Last Century, Reviews of Geophysics (2021).
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2020RG000725

Abstract

Poleward ocean heat transport is a key process in the earth system. We detail and review the northward Atlantic Water (AW) flow, Arctic Ocean heat transport, and heat loss to the atmosphere since 1900 in relation to sea ice cover. Our synthesis is largely based on a sea ice-ocean model forced by a reanalysis atmosphere (1900–2018) corroborated by a comprehensive hydrographic database (1950–), AW inflow observations (1996–), and other long-term time series of sea ice extent (1900–), glacier retreat (1984–), and Barents Sea hydrography (1900–). The Arctic Ocean, including the Nordic and Barents Seas, has warmed since the 1970s. This warming is congruent with increased ocean heat transport and sea ice loss and has contributed to the retreat of marine-terminating glaciers on Greenland. Heat loss to the atmosphere is largest in the Nordic Seas (60% of total) with large variability linked to the frequency of Cold Air Outbreaks and cyclones in the region, but there is no long-term statistically significant trend. Heat loss from the Barents Sea (∼30%) and Arctic seas farther north (∼10%) is overall smaller, but exhibit large positive trends. The AW inflow, total heat loss to the atmosphere, and dense outflow have all increased since 1900. These are consistently related through theoretical scaling, but the AW inflow increase is also wind-driven. The Arctic Ocean CO2 uptake has increased by ∼30% over the last century—consistent with Arctic sea ice loss allowing stronger air-sea interaction and is ∼8% of the global uptake.

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The major flow to and from the Arctic Ocean occurs across the Greenland-Scotland Ridge. The inflow is mostly warm Atlantic Water (AW) flowing northwards and cooling gradually. After completing different loops within the Arctic Ocean, portions of this water eventually flows south as cold freshened polar water at the surface and cold, dense overflow water at depth. We review and synthesize how the AW cooling evolved over the last century in relation to the Arctic sea ice cover. In the mean 60% of the heat loss occurred in the Nordic Seas, 30% in the Barents Sea, and only 10% in the Arctic seas further north. Arctic sea ice decrease the last century created more open water and permitted stronger ocean heat loss. The ocean volume and heat transport also increased, consistently with increased heat loss, and increased wind forcing. Ocean temperatures have generally increased in many areas during the last 50 years, and on Greenland this drove the retreat of marine-terminating glaciers. Variability in ocean heat loss to the atmosphere was primarily driven by Cold Air Outbreaks and cyclones in the Nordic and Barents Seas, and explain variability in Arctic Ocean CO2 uptake, being ∼8% of the global uptake.





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The Gulf Stream Has Increased Steadily Over the Last Century
https://phys.org/news/2022-01-gulf-stream-steadily-century.html

... With the surprising volume increase, the total heat transport has increased with 30 percent. Smedsrud and his team have examined changes in relation to ice melting in the Arctic, glacier melting on Greenland and CO2uptake from the atmosphere.

"While we have expected an increase in temperature, there is nothing about global warming that would suggest an increase in volume transport. But the increase is consistent with both stronger winds and declining sea ice covers. In addition, we see an increase in the vertical and horizontal ocean circulation in the Nordic Seas and the Arctic," Smedsrud explains.

The study covers the Nordic Seas and the Arctic sea ice and is published in Reviews of Geophysics.

... "During the winter the sea ice isolates the warm ocean from the cold air. With melting sea ice, the heat transfer to the air increases. The air gets warmer, the winters get milder. This is directly connected to the increased ocean heat transport," Smedsrud explains
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #676 on: January 24, 2022, 06:43:15 PM »
Nice graphics.

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« Reply #677 on: February 23, 2022, 05:17:45 AM »
Interesting article in New Scientist - apparently, ice flowing from the surface to the bottom of the thick Greenland glacier releases enough potential energy to cause signicant melt at the bottom.

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Christoffersen and his team found that the rate of melting at the bottom of a vertical crack which water flows down was 100 times greater than previous estimates, almost as high as the melting at the sun-exposed surface. They think the enhanced effect comes from the conversion of gravitational energy that the meltwater has at the surface into heat as it trickles downwards, which drives the melting of the ice at the bottom.

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“Models do not include this effect, but it’s actually quite substantial,” says Christoffersen. “The melting that’s generated through this process is several orders of magnitude higher than [melting from] other heat sources such as friction and geothermal heat flux [meaning the effect of heat from Earth’s interior].”

Being of a sceptical mind, I find this explanation a bit suspicious. Potential energy is not "real" energy but an effect of gravity. In other words, it is not intrinsic to the object being acted upon. A cannonball accelerating in a vacuum due to gravitational pull does not warm up even if it is shedding potential energy. Does a satelite which experiences constant directional change due to gravity release this energy expenditure as heat? I do not think so (but perhaps some astrophysicist will correct me).

Hydroelectric power stations tap into the potential energy of water flowing downwards. But it is not the energy content of the water as such that is being harvested, but the pull of gravity upon it. I'm pretty sure that a million tons of water going through the Hoover dam will still weigh a million tons on the other side, i.e. no mass loss due to energy conversion. Or is there?

A wee bit of googling showed that others have wondered about the same thing - an object falling in the real world releases it's potential energy through friction and collision, both of which generate heat. But the object never had any "potential energy" - it had the potential to release some of the gravity acting upon it as energy, but only by falling towards the source of the gravity, thus increasing it's potential energy (until of course, the center is reached where potential energy mysteriously drops to zero).

So all in all I'm prepared to accept that this is a real effect, but that heat is generated from friction on the way down, and collision at the bottom.
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« Reply #678 on: February 23, 2022, 07:43:06 AM »
Allthough it's very counter intuitive, I do think that the water has less mass at the bottom of the  glacier, according to E=Mc2. Just like a spring that is tensioned has more mass than the same spring with the energy released.

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« Reply #679 on: February 23, 2022, 09:04:49 AM »
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So all in all I'm prepared to accept that this is a real effect, but that heat is generated from friction on the way down, and collision at the bottom.
And that is, indeed, the meaning of "loss of potential energy" in the context of this article.
Nobody meant loss of mass of the water. Simply that falling from a height of 1 kilometer gives the water kinetic energy, that is expended during the fall or at the bottom and thus transfer heat to the base of the ice sheet.

I should note though that this water needs to come out somewhere, otherwise the crevices would be filled and the the effect halted, much as a deep lake doesn't warm up from falling water.

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« Reply #680 on: February 23, 2022, 09:18:36 AM »
But where does the kinetic energy come from ? you cannot just create energy from nothing

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #681 on: February 23, 2022, 09:54:05 AM »
Water melts on top of the ice sheet, then falls down through crevices. Potential energy becomes kinetic energy becomes heat energy.
I have no doubt E=mc2 is satisfied in this case, but for practical purposes any mass changes are negligible.

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« Reply #682 on: February 23, 2022, 11:24:46 AM »
of course the mass loss is very tiny but the corresponding energy is not, according to the article. And in my opinion that mass loss must be considered the originating source of the energy. I thought that's what Binnto was wondering about, but I may be wrong there...

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« Reply #683 on: February 23, 2022, 11:30:05 AM »
Well, gravity has not really been worked out properly yet (the unified theory is still as elusive as ever).

Potential energy is not "real" energy, although it makes sense to calculate as if it was. A thought experiment could go as follows: Somewhere in Holland, a cannonball is suspended in a rig 6.5 meters high, hanging in an extremely strong but weightless filament. This filament is run through a generator. Once the ball is released, its  potential energy is converted into kinetic energy which runs ghe generator, making X amount of electicity.

If we then dig a 6.5 meter deep hole under the cannonball, it now has ever so slightly more potiential energy than in the beginning (being ever so slightly closer to the center of gravity). We release the ball, and while falling it creates X+d amount of energy.

We repeat this 999 times, aiming for the center of gravity - the electricity generated in the penultimate fall was X+d999. But the last hole reaches the center of gravity, where potential energy is always zero no matter how much we dig.

So where did the energy come from, and where did it go? According to e=mc2 it has to come from mass and go back to mass. But the mass of the earth, or the mass of the cannonball?

Anyway, potential energy can be used to produce electricity in a hydroelectric station, but is the energy subracted from the mass of the water or the mass of the earth? I know it would be a miniscule amount, but as a comparison, a full Airbus380 fueltank consumes 0.05 grams of matter when burned ( 1g matter = 1E14J), and a 6000 MW hydroelectric dam (like the GERD in Ethiopia) should produce 6E9 J/s, the equivalent to 1g of mass every day.
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« Reply #684 on: February 23, 2022, 02:07:28 PM »
The choice of a standardized height of reference in a gravitational well is arbitrary.  Changes in height lead to a very real exchange in potential and kinetic energy.  For an astrophysicist, the reference would be above and beyond any gravitational field.  From this reference frame, a 1 kg mass resting on thee surface of the earth has negative potential energy.  You have to give it a massive amount of kinetic energy just to get it up to the resting  reference frame.  If your reference fram is at the surface of the earth, then that 1 kg mass in space has to shed that same massive amount of energy on re-entry to come to rest on the surface.

For our purposes on this forum, being at rest at the surface of the earth is probably the most sensible reference frame.  Similarly, for our purposes on this forum, the E=mc2 relationship is best ignored; Newtonian mechanics is sufficiently precise for anything we want to work out.

So yes, a 1 kg mass of meltwater at the top of the Greenland ice sheet does, indeed, possess a respectable amount of potential energy.  As it falls through the firn, that potential energy gets converted to kinetic energy.  Friction on the way down is substantial, and the kinetic energy is continuously converted to heat by friction and the heat is transferred to the walls of the "shaft" it falls through.  Some of that heat from friction is retained by the falling water, to act as a melt source at the bedrock level.  Some kinetic energy is also retained by the falling water, but finally converted to heat upon impact on the bedrock.

This is all bad for the ice sheet.  Warm-ish water at the bedrock level promotes some melt, and also lubricates the interface between ice and rock, accelerating flow. 

But it's not much better for the firn.  This process transfers heat to the firn, and warmer ice is much more plastic than ice at -20 degrees C.  This also accelerates flow of the ice sheet to the sea.

It's all bad news.  As surface melting accelerates in the coming years, the firn gets warmer and the bedrock gets slipperier, which we can anticipate leading to accelerated flow of ice to the sea.  The ice sheet needn't all melt to disappear over time, much of it will just flow out faster along existing exit paths.

sidd is the forum's resident physicist, perhaps he could weigh in on this physics question.

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #685 on: February 23, 2022, 02:37:25 PM »
The waterfall is a classic first year UG exam question on conservation of energy.

Melt water plunges down a 2km deep crevasse in an ice sheet. How fast is it travelling when it hits the bottom if their is negligible friction on the way down?

v^2 = 2gh = 2*10*2000

v= 200 m/s

If all its kinetic energy is used to heat up the water when it hits the bottom, how much hotter will it be?

v^2/2 = CT

T=2e4/4e3 = 5K

If all this energy goes into melting ice, by what fraction is the flow of meltwater greater at the bottom of the crevasse than the top?

v^2/2 = xL
x= 2e4/3.3e5 = 1/6

17% more meltwater at the bottom than the top.


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« Reply #686 on: February 23, 2022, 08:21:24 PM »
binntho I disagree with this,
"Being of a sceptical mind, I find this explanation a bit suspicious. Potential energy is not "real" energy but an effect of gravity. In other words, it is not intrinsic to the object being acted upon. A cannonball accelerating in a vacuum due to gravitational pull does not warm up even if it is shedding potential energy. Does a satelite which experiences constant directional change due to gravity release this energy expenditure as heat? I do not think so (but perhaps some astrophysicist will correct me)."
first I suspect the energy is intrinsic to the object, I would expect a cannonball, as described, to actually cool a little as it was accelerated, on the other hand if it were slowing down, lets say due to magnetic repulsion, then it would warm. I think we see many forms of whatever kinetic energy is as different things but in some way at it's simplest it is movement, bound in different ways, so spin temperature and relative motion [to what] are part of it's spectrum.
So would the water cool at all as it fell? It's kinetic energy being converted to heat on it's rapid  deceleration?
Dont know who's nearer the mark though.

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« Reply #687 on: February 23, 2022, 10:45:53 PM »
Folks, discussions of energy conservation and gravity, whether Netwonian or relativistic,  and underlying physical principles can take place elsewhere. For this thread the simple explanation is sufficient, the water on top melts and falls, gains kinetic energy due to gravity, and eventually that is converted to heat within the ice sheet.

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #688 on: February 24, 2022, 06:28:14 AM »
I agree with Oren and what SteveMDFP says is absolutely right. At the same time, energy has to come from somewhere, and I think that the explanation used by the team, i.e. "gravitational energy converted to heat as [the water] trickles downwards" sounds  like psuedoscience.

This from Wikipedia: "In general relativity gravitational energy is extremely complex, and there is no single agreed upon definition of the concept."

And from Binntho: Potential (i.e. graitational) energy is not intrinsic to the object, and its mass does not change to reflect changes in its potential energy (viz. e=mc2).
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #689 on: February 24, 2022, 12:02:33 PM »
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"gravitational energy converted to heat as [the water] trickles downwards" sounds  like psuedoscience.
No. Lay off the terminology, water falling gains kinetic energy which later converts to heat. That is not pseudo science, and I did request that further discussions of terminology, gravity, relativity and the pholosophy of physics take place elsewhere, as these do not relate to what's new in the Arctic.

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #690 on: February 24, 2022, 06:35:02 PM »
I would like just to mention that when water trickles down and hits the ocean water, the Arctic water will become less concentrated with NaCl and other ions locally, therefore it will `decrease water temperature' as normally occurs when water is added to salty water and conversely, freezing salty water will increase temperature locally (of the more concentrated brine water), but not as much to prevent freezing because we are actually talking about ``free' energy'. So anyone claiming trickling water will increase temperature is really simplifying things to put on a scare and such negligible effects of physics should not be considered in a practical way and can be dismissed. But if they are considered, better if people understand these things first. Cheers.

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #691 on: February 24, 2022, 08:00:46 PM »
 When water flows (not trickles) down crevices 1km to the base of the ice sheet (not the salty ocean), it increases its temperature due to conversion of kinetic energy to heat energy, this is basic physics. This has been measured as part of the quoted research, the water at the base of the ice sheet was warmer than expected.

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #692 on: February 26, 2022, 07:09:12 AM »
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"gravitational energy converted to heat as [the water] trickles downwards" sounds  like psuedoscience.
No. Lay off the terminology, water falling gains kinetic energy which later converts to heat. That is not pseudo science,

I agree totally - what you say is pure science. It is the explanation I found when I googled for a likely explanation because I didn't accept the explanation in the article.

What the article says,  "gravitational energy converted to heat" means exactly that, and "trickles down" is emphasized to make clear that they are not talking about friction or eventual collision with the bottom.
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #693 on: February 26, 2022, 07:13:18 AM »
Another article in The Guardian which has a bearing on the Arctic.

Climate change is intensifying Earth’s water cycle at twice the predicted rate, research shows

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Climate change has intensified the global water cycle by up to 7.4% – compared with previous modelling estimates of 2% to 4%, research published in the journal Nature suggests.

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Sohail said the volume of extra freshwater that had already been pushed to the poles as a result of an intensifying water cycle was far greater than previous climate models suggest.

“Those dire predictions that were laid out in the IPCC will potentially be even more intense,” he said.

The scientists estimate the volume of extra freshwater that shifted from warmer regions between 1970 and 2014 is between 46,000 and 77,000 cubic kms.

This seems to me to be a very large effect - not only more fresh water but also a lot of latent energy being brought to the poles.
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #694 on: March 04, 2022, 04:30:19 PM »
Analysis of teeth from Arctic seals reveals Arctic Ocean changes going back to 1950s

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Harps seals are ice-dependent predators and considered to be excellent indicators of ecosystem health. Collaborators in Norway provided access to archives of teeth from harp seals dating back to the 1950s. Seal teeth are like tree rings, with annual growth layers of dentine being deposited, allowing for an individual’s age to be determined.

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Published in the journal, Global Change Biology, the study used model simulations to reveal that these multi-decadal trends were driven by an increase in anthropogenic nitrogen deposition in the North Atlantic and its subsequent transport into the Arctic alongside an increase in productivity within the Arctic. Ultimately, the results suggest that the Barents Sea ecosystem has been impacted by anthropogenic activities for at least 60 years (since the 1950s), extending beyond the time period accessible from satellites and direct oceanographic observations.

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https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2022/03/02/analysis-of-teeth-from-arctic-seals-reveals-arctic-ocean-changes-going-back-to-1950s/

There must be older teeth out there in university collections?

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #695 on: March 10, 2022, 02:36:22 PM »
I discovered today that Vlad has a Twitter account, with some interesting news on it:

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The Russian flag has been hoisted on the Marshal Rokossovsky ferry. It is the first in Russia Arc4 ice class dual-fuelled ferry

https://twitter.com/KremlinRussia_E/status/1499784539698348036

However when I attempted to click through to the Kremlin web site I was warned off.

Via an alternative source:

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:6668505/zoom:14

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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #696 on: March 10, 2022, 07:22:38 PM »
New Observations From ICESat-2 Show Remarkable Arctic Sea Ice Thinning In Just Three Years
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-icesat-remarkable-arctic-sea-ice.html

Over the past two decades, the Arctic has lost about one-third of its winter sea ice volume, largely due to a decline in sea ice that persists over several years, called multiyear ice, according to a new study. The study also found sea ice is likely thinner than previous estimates.

Arctic sea ice snow depth is estimated, for the first time, from a combination of lidar (ICESat-2) and radar (CryoSat-2) data. Using these estimates of snow depth and the height of sea ice exposed above water, the study found multiyear Arctic sea ice has lost 16% of its winter volume, or approximately half a meter (about 1.5 feet) of thickness, in the three years since the launch of ICESat-2.

"We weren't really expecting to see this decline, for the ice to be this much thinner in just three short years," said lead study author Sahra Kacimi, a polar scientist at the California Institute of Technology's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

Scientists make satellite estimates of sea-ice thickness using snow depth and the height of the floating ice above the sea surface. Snow can weigh ice down, changing how ice floats in the ocean. The new study compared ice thickness using new snow depths from satellite radar and lidar to previous ice thickness and snow depth estimates from climate records. The researchers found using climatology-based estimates of snow depth can result in overestimating sea-ice thickness by up to 20%, or up to 0.2 meters (0.7 feet).

The study used an 18-year record of sea-ice observations from ICESat and the newer ICESat-2 and CryoSat-2 satellites to capture monthly changes in Arctic sea-ice thickness and volume, to provide context for sea ice thickness estimates from 2018 to 2021. The 18-year record showed a loss of about 6,000 cubic kilometers of winter ice volume, largely driven by the switch from predominantly multiyear ice to thinner, seasonal sea ice.

Older, multiyear ice tends to be thicker and therefore more resistant to melting. As that "reservoir" of old Arctic sea ice is depleted and seasonal ice becomes the norm, the overall thickness and volume of Arctic sea ice is expected to decline. "Current models predict that by the mid-century we can expect ice-free summers in the Arctic, when the older ice, thick enough to survive the melt season is gone," Kacimi said.

"This is really old ice we're losing at quite a frightening rate," Mallett said.

Sahra Kacimi et al, Arctic snow depth, ice thickness and volume from ICESat‐2 and CryoSat‐2: 2018‐2021, Geophysical Research Letters (2022)
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021GL097448
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #697 on: March 10, 2022, 11:15:39 PM »
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Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« Reply #698 on: March 11, 2022, 12:50:34 AM »
Slightly belatedly:

"Navy launches Ice Exercise 2022 in the Arctic Ocean"

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Commander, Submarine Forces (COMSUBFOR) officially kicked off Ice Exercise (ICEX) 2022 in the Arctic Ocean on Friday, March 4, after the building of Ice Camp Queenfish and arrival of two U.S. Navy fast attack submarines...

The Arctic is experiencing a trend of diminishing sea ice extent and thickness creating the likelihood of increased maritime activity in the region, including trans-oceanic shipping and resource extraction.

The Navy’s Arctic Submarine Laboratory (ASL), based in San Diego, serves as the lead organization for coordinating, planning and executing the exercise involving representatives from four nations and more than 200 participants over the five weeks of operations.

In addition to the U.S. Navy, Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and Coast Guard personnel who are participating in the exercise, personnel from the Royal Canadian Air Force, Royal Canadian Navy and United Kingdom Royal Navy are participating...

A temporary ice camp is being established on a sheet of ice in the Arctic Ocean, known as an ice floe, to support testing submarine systems and other arctic research initiatives.

The camp, named Ice Camp Queenfish, will serve as a temporary command center for conducting operations and research in the Arctic region. The camp consists of shelters, a command center, and infrastructure to safely house and support more than 60 personnel at any one time...

The camp gets its namesake from USS Queenfish (SSN 651), the first Sturgeon-class submarine to operate under ice and the fourth submarine to reach the North Pole when it surfaced there on Aug. 6, 1970.

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« Reply #699 on: March 15, 2022, 02:51:04 PM »
Chanced on this CNN article this morning:

"Marine scientists have discovered deep sinkholes -- one larger than a city block of six-story buildings -- and ice-filled hills that have formed "extraordinarily" rapidly on a remote part of the Arctic seafloor." 

Found by mapping the seafloor in the Beaufort.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/world/arctic-seafloor-holes-permafrost-scn/index.html
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