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Re: The Collapse Of America
« Reply #700 on: November 12, 2024, 07:20:01 PM »
You are fixated on blaming Republicans yet don't seem to understand Democrats are not much different, and the reason for that isn't who is voted in... it is big business, wealthy people, and lobbyists.
I am tired of that stupid logic. Democrats never said they would expell people,  elections wouldn't be needed anymore, that climate change is an hoax... with Harris, new free elections in 4 years were sure, Trump already tried to overtun them 4 years  ago.

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« Reply #701 on: November 12, 2024, 07:52:55 PM »
You are fixated on blaming Republicans yet don't seem to understand Democrats are not much different, and the reason for that isn't who is voted in... it is big business, wealthy people, and lobbyists.
I am tired of that stupid logic. Democrats never said they would expell people,  elections wouldn't be needed anymore, that climate change is an hoax... with Harris, new free elections in 4 years were sure, Trump already tried to overtun them 4 years  ago.

No, the democrats are just more subtle.  They make you think that they have your best interests in mind, before they screw you.  Republicans just tell you to bend over.

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« Reply #702 on: November 12, 2024, 08:46:22 PM »
You are fixated on blaming Republicans yet don't seem to understand Democrats are not much different, and the reason for that isn't who is voted in... it is big business, wealthy people, and lobbyists.
I am tired of that stupid logic. Democrats never said they would expell people,  elections wouldn't be needed anymore, that climate change is an hoax... with Harris, new free elections in 4 years were sure, Trump already tried to overtun them 4 years  ago.

No, the democrats are just more subtle.  They make you think that they have your best interests in mind, before they screw you.  Republicans just tell you to bend over.
I am not talking about my best interests, but of basic democratic rules like elections, independence of justice, taxes...

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« Reply #703 on: November 12, 2024, 08:51:03 PM »
You are fixated on blaming Republicans yet don't seem to understand Democrats are not much different, and the reason for that isn't who is voted in... it is big business, wealthy people, and lobbyists.
I am tired of that stupid logic. Democrats never said they would expell people,  elections wouldn't be needed anymore, that climate change is an hoax... with Harris, new free elections in 4 years were sure, Trump already tried to overtun them 4 years  ago.

No, the democrats are just more subtle.  They make you think that they have your best interests in mind, before they screw you.  Republicans just tell you to bend over.

Really? I'd like to know how Democrats were planning on taking away my daughter's right to an education.

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« Reply #704 on: November 12, 2024, 08:58:26 PM »
You are fixated on blaming Republicans yet don't seem to understand Democrats are not much different, and the reason for that isn't who is voted in... it is big business, wealthy people, and lobbyists.
I am tired of that stupid logic. Democrats never said they would expell people,  elections wouldn't be needed anymore, that climate change is an hoax... with Harris, new free elections in 4 years were sure, Trump already tried to overtun them 4 years  ago.

No, the democrats are just more subtle.  They make you think that they have your best interests in mind, before they screw you.  Republicans just tell you to bend over.

Really? I'd like to know how Democrats were planning on taking away my daughter's right to an education.

They already did.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/kamala-harris-democrats-public-education-stance-reform-unions.html

https://assets.ctfassets.net/lwlwwghvkufv/7N1Kt117gW66megQG8cOmI/0fc83900a208087dd973a6880a7a1ed7/shameofschools_copy.pdf

https://www.city-journal.org/article/democrats-heed-randi-weingarten-at-their-peril

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« Reply #705 on: November 12, 2024, 11:30:46 PM »
You are fixated on blaming Republicans yet don't seem to understand Democrats are not much different, and the reason for that isn't who is voted in... it is big business, wealthy people, and lobbyists.
I am tired of that stupid logic. Democrats never said they would expell people,  elections wouldn't be needed anymore, that climate change is an hoax... with Harris, new free elections in 4 years were sure, Trump already tried to overtun them 4 years  ago.

Big business and wealthy people do run the US. This isn't stupid, it is correct.
For example, fossil fuel companies have run over environment laws regardless of who is in power.
Gun companies are the same.
Pharmaceutical companies are the same.
Big Food companies.
Car companies.
And the list can go on.

None of the above are in the best interest of the masses yet they make the decisions.

As for elections not being needed... I suspect you are referring to the Trump speech he gave to a Christian group. I cant believe I am going to defend Trump here, but I will because the context of his words was removed to make it look like he meant no more elections ever.
That clip was made by Democrats to undermine him.
What he was saying, with the context, was Christians normally don't vote but when they do it is normally for the Republican party. What he said was if they all voted and the REpublicans win office, they wouldn't need to vote again because he would fix everything up so well that the Republicans would win every election after this one.

So, Trump stopping elections is not a thing.
He will probably try to remove the two term limit, he might try to replace himself with family or friends, but the election will still happen... fair or unfair, the illusion of democracy in the US is too important to mess around with and anyone who tries will be removed from office.

Democrats do want to remove illegal immigrants, the methods are different, but they want the same thing. And why wouldn't they?
Every country wants to have zero illegal immigrants, and there is nothing wrong with that situation. The methods used, the way these people are talked about is what matters. Trump is an asshole who makes them look like evil people so he can scare people into voting for him. Harris didn't say much about the topic the entire time, and I don't know why either because the Democrats had reduced the problem significantly but they never talked about it. They messed up the messaging.

The only point you have is Trump doesn't believe in climate change.
But, it isn't as if the Democrats were doing anywhere near enough to resolve the problem anyway... and here is the kicker on that, the reason politicians dont take climate change seriously is because they would be voted out if they did what was required.

Politicians can only do what the voting public let them do.
So, while big business make the decisions, the politicians try hard to ensure the public are okay with it. And I have to say, it is working like a charm for those with the money and power, regardless of which side of the fence you sit on.

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Re: The Collapse Of America
« Reply #706 on: November 13, 2024, 03:47:25 AM »
I believe that talking about illegal immigrants is a bias.  Shouldn't we talk of non-legal immigrants? Is it such a crime to cross the border that humans can become illegal?

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« Reply #707 on: November 13, 2024, 04:02:18 AM »
I believe that talking about illegal immigrants is a bias.  Shouldn't we talk of non-legal immigrants? Is it such a crime to cross the border that humans can become illegal?

borders, laws, passports mean nothing to you? do you honestly think you should be able to wander around the planet and reside wherever you want without any restrictions? do you think you're a bird?
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« Reply #708 on: November 13, 2024, 04:53:14 AM »
I believe that talking about illegal immigrants is a bias.  Shouldn't we talk of non-legal immigrants? Is it such a crime to cross the border that humans can become illegal?

Call it whatever you want.

If people cross a border illegally, they are not allowed to be there and should be returned home.

Of course, it would be better to eliminate borders entirely and allow freedom of movement for all. Most people would stay where they are.

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« Reply #709 on: November 13, 2024, 05:05:29 AM »
I believe that talking about illegal immigrants is a bias.  Shouldn't we talk of non-legal immigrants? Is it such a crime to cross the border that humans can become illegal?

Call it whatever you want.

If people cross a border illegally, they are not allowed to be there and should be returned home.

Of course, it would be better to eliminate borders entirely and allow freedom of movement for all. Most people would stay where they are.

A country can offer a nice safety net to all its inhabitants or it can have open borders, can’t have both, any honest economist will tell you that.
Migration to work is fine, migration to government assistance never ends well.
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« Reply #710 on: November 13, 2024, 06:12:22 AM »
I believe that talking about illegal immigrants is a bias.  Shouldn't we talk of non-legal immigrants? Is it such a crime to cross the border that humans can become illegal?

borders, laws, passports mean nothing to you? do you honestly think you should be able to wander around the planet and reside wherever you want without any restrictions? do you think you're a bird?
I know we have and need these administrative stuff, but I don't believe that it justifies what happens around among others the US and the EU borders. One side effect is that non legal migrants have no rights and can be much more effectively exploited than the natives and the legal ones, which induce part of the problems we have.
The reason why we have these non legal immigrants is the same one than the reason that created climate change, it's that we just can't get enough.

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« Reply #711 on: November 13, 2024, 07:48:17 AM »
I believe that talking about illegal immigrants is a bias.  Shouldn't we talk of non-legal immigrants? Is it such a crime to cross the border that humans can become illegal?

borders, laws, passports mean nothing to you? do you honestly think you should be able to wander around the planet and reside wherever you want without any restrictions? do you think you're a bird?
I know we have and need these administrative stuff, but I don't believe that it justifies what happens around among others the US and the EU borders. One side effect is that non legal migrants have no rights and can be much more effectively exploited than the natives and the legal ones, which induce part of the problems we have.
The reason why we have these non legal immigrants is the same one than the reason that created climate change, it's that we just can't get enough.

If a person enters a country illegally to work and stay, the consequence of doing that is having less rights than the people who live there legally.

You cant break the law and expect sympathy.

As for the reasons people do it, that is complex and not entirely a climate change thing. It is still more related to how the West treats poor and weak countries so the West can have cheap products, exploit the resources, and create wealth for those who own the capital.

Good luck changing any of those things as a means to fixing illegal immigration.

Oddly enough, Harris was working with the countries where most of the illegal immigrants come from in the US and was just beginning to make headway. The idea was to make the countries more attractive to the people who life there. EG - reduce the effects of Western influence. It was beginning to work but that is a decades long process... its a shame it will probably be stopped.

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« Reply #712 on: November 13, 2024, 02:55:34 PM »
With every cabinet pick, MAGA is realizing that they've been fooled. Who could have thought that Trump was full of shit?

When you read the comments of some of those MAGA accounts (check out the @jacksonhinklle account), you can see the antisemitism rising with every Zionist pick. The hatred against Jews is exploding, and got some extra steam behind it with the misinformation about the Amsterdam incident.

This is so bad, but not unexpected when you put a fascist on the ticket.

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« Reply #713 on: November 13, 2024, 03:09:44 PM »
I believe that talking about illegal immigrants is a bias.  Shouldn't we talk of non-legal immigrants? Is it such a crime to cross the border that humans can become illegal?

borders, laws, passports mean nothing to you? do you honestly think you should be able to wander around the planet and reside wherever you want without any restrictions? do you think you're a bird?
I know we have and need these administrative stuff, but I don't believe that it justifies what happens around among others the US and the EU borders. One side effect is that non legal migrants have no rights and can be much more effectively exploited than the natives and the legal ones, which induce part of the problems we have.
The reason why we have these non legal immigrants is the same one than the reason that created climate change, it's that we just can't get enough.

Of course, but most know that and it is preferred over the alternative.  Legal immigrants have legal recourse (obviously), but illegals cannot due to the consequences of being discovered.  They still choose to come.

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« Reply #714 on: November 15, 2024, 11:43:11 PM »
You're right that war has been a part of humanity for thousands of years. It started when we were still apes. Chimpanzees still go to war. So it must be in our DNA.
When factual science is in conflict with our beliefs or traditions, we cuddle up in our own delusional fantasy where everything starts making sense again.

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« Reply #715 on: November 16, 2024, 12:14:47 AM »
With every cabinet pick, MAGA is realizing that they've been fooled. Who could have thought that Trump was full of shit?

When you read the comments of some of those MAGA accounts (check out the @jacksonhinklle account), you can see the antisemitism rising with every Zionist pick. The hatred against Jews is exploding, and got some extra steam behind it with the misinformation about the Amsterdam incident.

This is so bad, but not unexpected when you put a fascist on the ticket.



The only hatred of Jews comes from some American Muslims , often being paid from abroad by Anti - Israel actors  and Hard core Leftist progressives .interesting that in the end many American Muslims in Michigan voted for Trump and their pocketbooks and not against Israel or for the so- called Palestinians.

The old fashioned White Christian religious types, the Middle  America types who make up the majority of MAGA and its supporters and including a substantial amount of  Blacks and Hispanics among their minions are the Jews and Israel’s strongest supporters.
 

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« Reply #716 on: November 16, 2024, 12:26:04 AM »
You are fixated on blaming Republicans yet don't seem to understand Democrats are not much different, and the reason for that isn't who is voted in... it is big business, wealthy people, and lobbyists.
I am tired of that stupid logic. Democrats never said they would expell people,  elections wouldn't be needed anymore, that climate change is an hoax... with Harris, new free elections in 4 years were sure, Trump already tried to overtun them 4 years  ago.

No, the democrats are just more subtle.  They make you think that they have your best interests in mind, before they screw you.  Republicans just tell you to bend over.

Really? I'd like to know how Democrats were planning on taking away my daughter's right to an education.

Well, if she’s Caucasian it could be there is 1 position remaining in the class and they choose to take someone with far less accomplishments in her place due to race or gender or any other Progressive Leftist reason or because you make a decent wage ( not a rich man’s wage, not millions) they make you choose between using all your life savings to send her there because she is paying for two other students who’s parents maybe didn’t stay married and have no savings, so you choose not to send her there .

Thats two ways it can happen.

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« Reply #717 on: November 16, 2024, 12:31:19 AM »
I believe that talking about illegal immigrants is a bias.  Shouldn't we talk of non-legal immigrants? Is it such a crime to cross the border that humans can become illegal?
Caring bout semantics like that, is a sad commentary on your mindset or lack thereof.
Illegally crossing a border and remaining in someone else’s country illegal, makes you a criminal by definition.
You don’t get to choose which laws you want to obey and which you don’t.
If you prefer criminal immigrants instead of illegal immigrants, OK, I can live with that.

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« Reply #718 on: November 16, 2024, 07:53:09 AM »
America, captured perfectly in one single image.
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« Reply #719 on: November 16, 2024, 08:34:22 AM »
Americannot is losing.
There is no respect for them in the world anymore.

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« Reply #720 on: November 16, 2024, 10:46:41 PM »
(thats a canadian burger)
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« Reply #721 on: November 16, 2024, 11:15:32 PM »
Quote
With every cabinet pick, MAGA is realizing that they've been fooled. Who could have thought that Trump was full of shit?

Yes, they're chumps. But you still haven't figured out Biden/Harris/Democrats are full of shit as well. And you're not even American, so that's no excuse.

Can you rise above the BS?
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« Reply #722 on: November 17, 2024, 06:43:55 AM »
America, captured perfectly in one single image.

That looks delicious!
I’ve been eating those for years and my health is perfect though I must admit I don’t eat them every day , more like once a week or every other week now.
I’m getting pretty long in the tooth and I took a recent scan of my heart and my calcium levels were very, very low.
You have to be lucky but of course, I rarely drink, never smoked and never took drugs, just ate a lot of Texas bar- b- cue and a lot of cheese burgers in my day!  Yummy!

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« Reply #723 on: November 18, 2024, 06:57:28 PM »
This is absolutely insane. What is wrong with these people? Unbelievable...

But I do think it's good to have these conversations, even if that couple is totally brainwashed into stupidity.

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« Reply #724 on: November 27, 2024, 11:25:11 PM »
The price America paid for its first big immigration crackdown

The Chinese Exclusion Act is widely considered to be the first significant crackdown on immigration in American history. It's a riveting tale that parallels today and may provide insights into the economic consequences of immigration restrictions and mass deportations. This is Part 2 of that story, which explores the economic and political factors that led to the Act and examines what happened to the American economy after it was passed.

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https://text.npr.org/g-s1-35805

(nothing on Operation Wetback in this story, tho many recent articles have addressed it)
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« Reply #725 on: December 02, 2024, 12:55:46 AM »
The Great Grocery Squeeze

How a federal policy change in the 1980s created the modern food desert

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During the decades when Robinson-Patman was enforced—part of the broader mid-century regime of vigorous antitrust—the grocery sector was highly competitive, with a wide range of stores vying for shoppers and a roughly equal balance of chains and independents. In 1954, the eight largest supermarket chains captured 25 percent of grocery sales. That statistic was virtually identical in 1982, although the specific companies on top had changed. As they had for decades, Americans in the early 1980s did more than half their grocery shopping at independent stores, including both single-location businesses and small, locally owned chains. Local grocers thrived alongside large, publicly traded companies such as Kroger and Safeway.

With discriminatory pricing outlawed, competition shifted onto other, healthier fronts. National chains scrambled to keep up with independents’ innovations, which included the first modern self-service supermarkets, and later, automatic doors, shopping carts, and loyalty programs. Meanwhile, independents worked to match the chains’ efficiency by forming wholesale cooperatives, which allowed them to buy goods in bulk and operate distribution systems on par with those of Kroger and A&P. A 1965 federal study that tracked grocery prices across multiple cities for a year found that large independent grocers were less than 1 percent more expensive than the big chains. The Robinson-Patman Act, in short, appears to have worked as intended throughout the mid-20th century.

Then it was abandoned. In the 1980s, convinced that tough antitrust enforcement was holding back American business, the Reagan administration set about dismantling it. The Robinson-Patman Act remained on the books, but the new regime saw it as an economically illiterate handout to inefficient small businesses. And so the government simply stopped enforcing it.

That move tipped the retail market in favor of the largest chains, who could once again wield their leverage over suppliers, just as A&P had done in the 1930s. Walmart was the first to fully grasp the implications of the new legal terrain. It soon became notorious for aggressively strong-arming suppliers, a strategy that fueled its rapid expansion. By 2001, it had become the nation’s largest grocery retailer. Kroger, Safeway, and other supermarket chains followed suit. They began with a program of “self-consolidation”—centralizing their purchasing, which had previously been handled by regional divisions, to fully exploit their power as major national buyers. Then, in the 1990s, they embarked on a merger spree. In just two years, Safeway acquired Vons and Dominick’s, while Fred Meyer absorbed Ralphs, Smith’s, and Quality Food Centers, before being swallowed by Kroger. The suspension of the Robinson-Patman Act had created an imperative to scale up.

A massive die-off of independent retailers followed. Squeezed by the big chains, suppliers were forced to offset their losses by raising prices for smaller retailers, creating a “waterbed effect” that amplified the disparity. Price discrimination spread beyond groceries, hobbling bookstores, pharmacies, and many other local businesses. From 1982 to 2017, the market share of independent retailers shrank from 53 percent to 22 percent.

If you were to plot the end of Robinson-Patman enforcement and the subsequent restructuring of the retail industry on a timeline, it would closely parallel the emergence and spread of food deserts. Locally owned retail businesses were once a mainstay of working-class and rural communities. Their inability to obtain fair prices beginning in the 1980s hit these retailers especially hard because their customers could least afford to pay more. Those who could travel to cheaper chain stores in other neighborhoods or towns were especially likely to do so. (Food deserts were not, by the way, a consequence of suburbanization and white flight, as some observers have suggested. By 1970, more Americans already lived in suburbs than in cities. Yet, at that point, low-income neighborhoods had more grocery stores per capita than middle-class areas. The relationship didn’t begin to reverse until the 1980s.)

Why didn’t large chains fill the void when local stores closed? They didn’t need to. In the 1960s, if a chain like Safeway wanted to compete for the grocery dollars spent by Deanwood residents, it had to open a store in the neighborhood. But once the independent stores closed, the chains no longer had to invest in low-income areas. They could count on people to schlep across town to their other locations. Today, in fact, many Deanwood residents travel to a Safeway outside the neighborhood to shop. This particular Safeway has had such persistent issues with expired meat and rotting produce that some locals have taken to calling it the “UnSafeway.” Yet, without alternatives, people keep shopping there.

In rural areas, the same dynamic means that Walmart can capture spending across a wide region by locating its supercenters in larger towns, counting on people in smaller places that no longer have grocery stores to drive long distances to shop for food. An independent grocer that tries to establish itself in a more convenient location will struggle to compete with Walmart on price because suppliers, who can’t risk losing Walmart’s business, will always give the mega-chain a better price. Indeed, during the height of the pandemic, when supply-chain disruptions left grocery manufacturers struggling to meet demand, Walmart announced stiff penalties for suppliers who failed to fulfill 98 percent of its orders. Suppliers complied by shorting independent grocers, who scrambled to keep staple products in stock even as Walmart’s shelves were full.

The problem of food deserts will not be solved without the rediscovery of the Robinson-Patman Act. Requiring a level pricing playing field would restore local retailers’ ability to compete. This would provide immediate relief to entrepreneurs who have recently opened grocery stores in food deserts, only to find that their inability to buy on the same terms as Walmart and Dollar General makes survival difficult. With local grocery stores back on the scene in these neighborhoods, chain supermarkets may well return, too, lured by a force far more powerful than tax breaks: competition.

The Biden administration has begun to connect the dots. Alvaro Bedoya, a member of the Federal Trade Commission, has been an outspoken proponent of Robinson-Patman enforcement, and the FTC under Chair Lina Khan is widely expected to file its first such case in the coming months. But Donald Trump’s election casts doubts on the long-term prospects for a Robinson-Patman revival. Although the law has garnered support among some GOP House members, powerful donors are calling for corporate-friendly appointments to the FTC.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/12/food-deserts-robinson-patman/680765/
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« Reply #726 on: December 05, 2024, 03:31:42 AM »
Americannot is losing.
There is no respect for them in the world anymore.



I’m pretty old, been around a long time and never have I known a time when there wasn’t anti- American feelings from the Left, whether in Europe , Asia or South America.
I’m also old enough to know People all over the world admire America and want to be here .
Our biggest problem, that in the end makes us dislikable,  is we have a country who’s pop culture , School system including Universities along with most of the Media, is controlled by the hard Left.
They are indeed a cancer on everything .
I think that will change a bit over the next four years and hopefully even longer than that, now that Trump has built a Strong coalition that I believe will continue to grow, until the Democrats are basically just half the white women , most single women and the gay groups.
Blacks, Hispanics, Asians are joining white men and married White women in voting for themselves, their children and grandchildren.
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« Reply #727 on: December 07, 2024, 12:12:18 AM »
Americannot is losing.
There is no respect for them in the world anymore.

I’m pretty old, been around a long time and never have I known a time when there wasn’t anti- American feelings from the Left, whether in Europe , Asia or South America.
I’m also old enough to know People all over the world admire America and want to be here .
Our biggest problem, that in the end makes us dislikable,  is we have a country who’s pop culture , School system including Universities along with most of the Media, is controlled by the hard Left.
They are indeed a cancer on everything .
I think that will change a bit over the next four years and hopefully even longer than that, now that Trump has built a Strong coalition that I believe will continue to grow, until the Democrats are basically just half the white women , most single women and the gay groups.
Blacks, Hispanics, Asians are joining white men and married White women in voting for themselves, their children and grandchildren.

Being anti US (not America because that is a continent not a country, although I am sure you are old enough to already know that) isnt anything special. People all around the world are anti many countries.

The difference with the US is the unending political meddling the US does.

Are you old enough to recall any US political meddling's that were done for the sole benefit of the US?

If so, do you think being anti US is a fair enough belief to hold?

The reason the world dislikes the US is because of the bullshit behaviour of the US, not because of some weird US envy that you believe is real.

Admiring other countries isnt exclusive for the US either.

There are many MANY countries people would prefer to move to than the US. And my guess is most of the people moving to the US are doing it because their country is fucked (probably by the US) and they need to make a living and the perception in poor countries is rich countries have people with lots of money and that makes life easier.

That is a complete myth though. I know people in poor countries. And the ones who want to work in rich countries and do it, almost always return home because home is better. Moving to the US to make money means working shit jobs for shit incomes and while they earn more than at home, they also have to spend more to survive so the wheels are spinning just as fast and they progress just as non existently.

When you say "Hard Let", what does that mean to you?
Because Hard Left is not accurately describing anything.

And one would think that if the smartest people in a country who work in universities and spend their days considering the concepts and study it with research and evidence that... maybe, just maybe, they know what they are talking about more than you. A wise person would take what they say seriously.

But, I am sure that you being so old that you know more about the collective knowledge in universities and they are clearly wrong and you are so correct because you are so old.

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Re: The Collapse Of America
« Reply #728 on: December 10, 2024, 03:58:27 PM »
Americannot is losing.
There is no respect for them in the world anymore.

I’m pretty old, been around a long time and never have I known a time when there wasn’t anti- American feelings from the Left, whether in Europe , Asia or South America.
I’m also old enough to know People all over the world admire America and want to be here .
Our biggest problem, that in the end makes us dislikable,  is we have a country who’s pop culture , School system including Universities along with most of the Media, is controlled by the hard Left.
They are indeed a cancer on everything .
I think that will change a bit over the next four years and hopefully even longer than that, now that Trump has built a Strong coalition that I believe will continue to grow, until the Democrats are basically just half the white women , most single women and the gay groups.
Blacks, Hispanics, Asians are joining white men and married White women in voting for themselves, their children and grandchildren.

Being anti US (not America because that is a continent not a country, although I am sure you are old enough to already know that) isnt anything special. People all around the world are anti many countries.

The difference with the US is the unending political meddling the US does.

Are you old enough to recall any US political meddling's that were done for the sole benefit of the US?

If so, do you think being anti US is a fair enough belief to hold?

The reason the world dislikes the US is because of the bullshit behaviour of the US, not because of some weird US envy that you believe is real.

Admiring other countries isnt exclusive for the US either.

There are many MANY countries people would prefer to move to than the US. And my guess is most of the people moving to the US are doing it because their country is fucked (probably by the US) and they need to make a living and the perception in poor countries is rich countries have people with lots of money and that makes life easier.

That is a complete myth though. I know people in poor countries. And the ones who want to work in rich countries and do it, almost always return home because home is better. Moving to the US to make money means working shit jobs for shit incomes and while they earn more than at home, they also have to spend more to survive so the wheels are spinning just as fast and they progress just as non existently.

When you say "Hard Let", what does that mean to you?
Because Hard Left is not accurately describing anything.

And one would think that if the smartest people in a country who work in universities and spend their days considering the concepts and study it with research and evidence that... maybe, just maybe, they know what they are talking about more than you. A wise person would take what they say seriously.

But, I am sure that you being so old that you know more about the collective knowledge in universities and they are clearly wrong and you are so correct because you are so old.

Am I old enough?
The meddling of the 1950-60’s during the Cold War , in which time the U.S. kept the rest of Europe from ending up behind the Iron curtain by the way,  plays zero role in anything that happens today.
As for how Leftist University professors can warp facts toward their own points of view, yes, I’m old enough to know very well that’s exactly what happens .
Collective knowledge based on fact is one thing, the Universities collective knowledge IMO , is often based on LEFTWING opinion and interpretation,  not fact .
You can always use facts or what you call knowledge to pervert the truth.
In the U.S. we just had an election where 51% of U.S. citizens voted against stupidity.They voted against , Defund the police and Leftist District attorneys who allowed human crime waves back on the streets without bail endangering the lives of everyone else, they voted against out of control  Government spending that has the country headed towards bankruptcy, they voted against powerfully built, transgender men with penises playing sports against women, they voted against open borders where “sanctuary” cities are going bankrupt housing and feeding illegals at obscene cost in fancy hotels, leaving no money to assist U.S. citizens , they voted against all the things any thinking person who can analyze any situation with intelligence would vote against.
The other 49% will tell you ( though they exaggerate the percentages) that they are the College educated ones and therefor are smarter .LOL
They are the indoctrinated, useful idiots that came out of these colleges.
I think I’ll go with the Trump, Musk , Vance , Ramaswamy style of education myself.
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Re: The Collapse Of America
« Reply #729 on: December 18, 2024, 09:53:16 PM »
Here we go. Panic sets in according to the VIX index.
Was 45,000 the top?
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« Reply #730 on: December 19, 2024, 01:30:07 AM »
just returning to before the trump bounce . Not many noticed but election day started with the dow at 42,000 .. i thought it a good idea .
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« Reply #731 on: December 19, 2024, 04:30:28 AM »
Michael Moore on the murder of health care executive:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/dec/16/yes-i-condemn-michael-moore-responds-to-luigi-mangiones-manifesto

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Re: The Collapse Of America
« Reply #732 on: December 19, 2024, 09:20:19 PM »
Luigi arriving in New York, like he's the biggest criminal the world has ever seen. It's the main news story on all US channels.

Ridiculous, while the US government is about to shut down.

I guess that killing the CEO of the largest (un)healthcare company — that killed thousands of US citizens — is more important than any other news.



I know what I want to say, but it's not getting out. Alcohol day. My godchild just gave birth to a beautiful daughter that I will never be allowed to see.

But hey, she wants a gift from me, because I'm her godfather.

Poor kid is gonna go through hell in her life...

Welcome to a fucked up world and a fucked up family Fenne.
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« Reply #733 on: December 20, 2024, 07:10:29 AM »
Luigi arriving in New York, like he's the biggest criminal the world has ever seen. It's the main news story on all US channels.

Ridiculous, while the US government is about to shut down.

I guess that killing the CEO of the largest (un)healthcare company — that killed thousands of US citizens — is more important than any other news.



I know what I want to say, but it's not getting out. Alcohol day. My godchild just gave birth to a beautiful daughter that I will never be allowed to see.

But hey, she wants a gift from me, because I'm her godfather.

Poor kid is gonna go through hell in her life...

Welcome to a fucked up world and a fucked up family Fenne.

I Have 9 grandchildren now they don’t think their world is fucked up at all , they just go to school, except the 2 little ones who go to pre school and after school activities, skiing in Colorado is on the menu for 3 of them next week.
Life is an adventure for them every day and I’m sure it will be for your godchild also, no reason for crazy pessimism, think good and it will be good.
You need to wake up every morning and recreate happiness, it takes some work but it beats the woe is me stuff.

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« Reply #734 on: December 20, 2024, 01:23:02 PM »
As a whole, the world is better off than ever.  Granted, there are some who are not, and may go through hell.  We cannot help everyone, but we can do something about those around us.  It just takes time and effort.

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« Reply #735 on: December 20, 2024, 11:39:24 PM »
As a whole, the world is better off than ever.  Granted, there are some who are not, and may go through hell.  We cannot help everyone, but we can do something about those around us.  It just takes time and effort.

Nobody wants the "help" as it is branded by the US.

The only thing the US has done that benefited the world is keeping the oceans safer... and even then that was mostly to the benefit of the US.

As a whole, the world has been quiet because the US has been powerful enough to oppress and scare everyone into submission. Not many people are jumping for joy about that and really dislike US interventions into local politics.

But those days are over.

The reduction in hot wars is a veil and dont mistaken few wars as peace. As the attempts to maintain its waning power you will see the world push back because we are sick of it.

Glad your family has it so good... shame it is off the backs of the rest of the planet.

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As a whole, the world is better off than ever. 

a genocide that's spread into regional war/chaos, another war that's been going on for 10 years and is flirting with nuclear war, the threat of a new war with iran and finally a war with china that's planned. 8 billion people, climate change accelerating and ecocide as a chaser.

either the world is better than ever before or somebody is completely fucking delusional.
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