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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2250 on: February 25, 2021, 02:40:11 PM »
SparkCharge - I get it, they drop off portable battery modules, leave them to charge your car then pick up the "empties"

https://www.sparkcharge.io/roadie

Anyone remember having milk delivered in the morning?

Presumably the cost is electricity + cycle cost of the SC batteries + Operator's time + profit

Neat idea though
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2251 on: February 25, 2021, 10:52:05 PM »
Driverless Bus Hits Streets of Malaga In Southern Spain
https://www.irizar-emobility.com/proyectos/?lang=en
https://techxplore.com/news/2021-02-driverless-bus-streets-malaga-southern.html



A new driverless electric bus has begun operating in the southern Spanish city of Malaga, in a project presented as a first in Europe.

The bus, which began running on Saturday, is equipped with sensors and cameras and links Malaga's port to the city centre on an eight-kilometre (five-mile) loop it does six times a day.

"The bus knows at all times where it is and what is around it," said Rafael Durban Carmona, who heads the southern division of Spanish transport company Avanza that leads the public-private consortium behind the project.

It can "interact with traffic lights," which are also equipped with sensors that alert the bus when they turn red, he told AFP.

The bus uses artificial intelligence to improve its "decisions" based on data recorded along the route.

The 12-metre (39-foot) vehicle, which looks like any other bus, can carry 60 passengers and was developed by Spanish firm Irizar.

Other driverless pilot projects already exist in Europe, but none of them involves a regular-size urban bus that runs on a normal street with other vehicles.

Despite the advanced technology, there is a driver at the wheel to take control if necessary since Spanish law does not currently allow vehicles to operate without a driver.

"We put it in automatic mode and it runs completely autonomously," explains Cristobal Maldonado, the driver.

AUTODRIVE is a European Commission funded programme involving a consortium of more than 40 companies from the automotive world. AutoDrive brings together leading companies, suppliers, manufacturers and research centres from the European semiconductor industry to create a pan-European ecosystem with the critical mass needed to create standards and provide components and sub-systems for driverless vehicles.The results of AutoDrive will significantly contribute to safer and more efficient mobility.

Last month, Singapore launched a self-driving bus trial with passengers booking through an app and the bus taking them around Singapore's Science Park, a high-tech business hub, during off-peak hours.

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Fast and intelligent vehicle charging infrastructure
https://www.irizar-emobility.com/proyectos/?lang=en

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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2252 on: February 26, 2021, 11:58:44 AM »
Not particularly wanting to dampen enthusiasm.  But considering current self driving tech and what it aims to deliver the following.

on an eight-kilometre (five-mile) loop it does six times a day.

It can "interact with traffic lights," which are also equipped with sensors that alert the bus when they turn red, he told AFP.

We are talking about a priority vehicle for which other road users should give way, driving a fixed, mapped, geofenced, 5 mile loop, which cannot even work out if traffic lights have turned red or not unless the traffic lights actually tell the AI.

Whilst I applaud anyone trying to advance EV self drive, in this instance I believe that AI stands for Artificial Idiot and should not be held up as progress.
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2253 on: February 28, 2021, 08:36:04 PM »
CleanTechnica, Feb 25
Attracting & Retaining Residents With EV Charging At Apartments, Condos, Etc. — Check Out The Webinar Recording
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/02/25/ev-charging-webinar-success-check-out-the-recorded-session/

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“Average emissions from new cars in Britain fell 13% from 2011 through 2016, then increased 6% through 2019, the National Audit Office said in a report Friday” — Bloomberg

“Registrations of battery-electric cars in the UK soared 186% last year, while plug-in hybrids surged 91%. The two segments combined made up about a 10th of deliveries, up from a 30th in 2019” — Bloomberg
https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1365266002703908871

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WMC: the mustang mach e seems more successful in terms of customer adoption than any other EV that’s gone to market in America
< It’s the first non-Tesla EV that’s even remotely cool. Taycan doesn’t count because you look like an idiot driving one because of how bad of a value it is.
WMC: True
https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1365563677764505602

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General Motors says worst of global chip shortage may be behind it
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The forecasts factored in the potential impact of the chip shortage, including a hit of $1.5 billion to $2.5 billion to its free cash flow. That impact remains as GM combats the situation and even partially builds some high-demand vehicles.

“We feel confident that we’re working through this issue and that we’ll be able to return to normal as soon as the back half of this year ... and a high degree of confidence that this isn’t going to be an issue for us going forward,” Jacobson said.

Due to the shortage, GM temporarily closed car and crossover plants in Kansas, Canada and Mexico through mid-March. The automaker has said it is prioritizing production of its “most in-demand products – including full-size trucks and SUVs and Corvettes,” which also happen to be its most-profitable vehicles as well. …
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/24/gm-says-worst-of-global-chip-shortage-may-be-behind-it.html

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Ford's European Production Halt to Have a Large Impact
How concerned should investors be about the five-week production shutdown in Saarlouis, Germany?
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If you've been keeping an eye on the global automotive industry, you're no stranger to the ripple effects caused by a shortage in semiconductors. The need for these chips has boomed in recent years, coinciding with an explosion in automotive technology, driveline components, and interior infotainment systems. The chip shortage is about to hit Ford Motor Company's (NYSE:F) European operations in a big way.

More specifically, the chip shortage will force Ford's factory in Saarlouis, Germany to halt production for five weeks. That factory builds Ford's Focus compact car, which is a serious part of the company's business operations in Europe. In fact, through the first three quarters of 2020 the Focus was the automaker's top-selling vehicle in Europe and accounted for 18% of its total Euro 20 sales.

The bad news isn't limited to Ford's Saarlouis, Germany plant, either. The chip shortage caused minor disruption to Ford's Cologne, Germany plant, which produces another highly important vehicle, the Fiesta. Ford's Kuga (Escape) crossover, Mondeo (Fusion), and Galaxy minivan also felt some production impacts. Overall, the chip shortage will cause downtime and lost production; Stuart Rowley, Ford's regional boss, told Automotive News Europe "That is a huge impact on our operations".

Analysts expect the global production shortfall across the automotive industry during the first half of the year could reach 1 million units. On the bright side, while this will certainly negatively impact many automakers' results during the first quarter, the issue should subside before or early in the second quarter. Most of the lost production should be recovered during the second half of the year.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2021/02/26/fords-european-production-halt-to-have-a-large-imp/
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2254 on: March 02, 2021, 05:02:13 PM »
—- Study
Plug-in hybrid cars use far more fuel than manufacturers claim, “Which?” research finds
The study found that owners of dual power cars could be paying hundreds of more a year in fuel costs, casting doubt over their green credentials
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/plug-in-hydbrid-cars-fuel-consumption-manufacturer-claim-which-research-893564

—- Daimler
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“We will purchase external credits at short notice in order to close consumption gaps in the fleet's achievement of the target”  — Daimler

“This year Daimler expects the number of Mercedes and Smart EVs it will sell as a percentage of its overall global total to reach about 13 percent, up from 7.4 percent in 2020, thanks to the launch of new battery-powered models such as the EQA and EQB compact EVs”
— Auto News

Daimler has failed to meet corporate average fuel economy requirements in the United States and China.
It will purchase regulatory credits from other automakers to comply with the law and minimize fines.
https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1366713869712859142

   Automotive News
   Mercedes misses fuel economy targets in U.S., China
   dlvr.it/RtnqDC


—- Nio says global chip shortage will hit its electric car production
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/chinese-tesla-rival-nio-chip-shortage-will-hit-electric-car-production.html


—- What do you think?
WMC: I disagree with including Wuling HuangGong MiniEV in sales rankings
With no air bags, two doors, and a $4200 price tag it is closer to a bike than what we think of as a normal 4 door car

Tesla Model 3, Model Y grab two of top three global EV sales spots
March 1, 2021
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The Tesla Model 3 and Model Y grabbed second and third place in the global EV sales figures for January, establishing their place as a couple of the most successful electric cars in the global market.

The Model 3 managed to grab second place, selling 21,589 units throughout the world in January 2021, with the Model Y coming in third with 9,597 units sold. The most popular EV in the world was the Wuling HongGuang Mini EV, a General Motors, SAIC, and Wuling project car that is highly affordable but not necessarily efficient in range (110 miles per charge) and has a low top speed of only 62 MPH. …
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-model-y-sales-january-2021/
⬇️ Table below.

—- Another study
Fossil fuel cars make ‘hundreds of times’ more waste than electric cars
The report pointed to a “double standard” used when assessing the relative merits of electric and fossil fuel vehicles, which takes the use of oil for granted.
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… The campaign group said battery electric vehicles were superior to their petrol and diesel counterparts across raw material demand, energy efficiency or cost – as well as eliminating exhaust emissions of carbon dioxide and other harmful gases.

The accelerating move to electric vehicles will entail environmental costs. Higher battery production will require more mining of minerals such as lithium, cobalt and nickel.

“When it comes to raw materials there is simply no comparison,” said Lucien Mathieu, a transport analyst at T&E and an author of the report. “Over its lifetime, an average fossil-fuel car burns the equivalent of a stack of oil barrels 25 storeys high. If you take into account the recycling of battery materials, only around 30kg of metals would be lost – roughly the size of a football.”

T&E calculations suggest that battery electric cars will use 58% less energy than a petrol car over its lifetime and emit 64% less carbon dioxide. Emissions associated with electric cars are mainly produced in the energy-intensive manufacturing of batteries, while the vast majority of emissions associated with internal combustion engine cars come from its use. … 
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/01/fossil-fuel-cars-make-hundreds-of-times-more-waste-than-electric-cars
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2255 on: March 02, 2021, 06:26:52 PM »
The Feb 25 Nikola earnings call :o

“Nikola said Thursday it now expects to deliver 100 battery-electric Tre semis to customers this year, down from a previous target of 600. It blamed the global pandemic and supply-chain issues for the drop in planned production volumes” — Bloomberg
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CEO said they lower guidance of 2021 delivery to 100 vehicles. 5 minutes later, CFO said to expect "50 to 100". Then CEO said order book not confirmed. Then said, expected delivery Q4. Meanwhile, won’t have prototypes in Q2. …
https://twitter.com/david_streever/status/1365301583555289092

Bloomberg: Nikola Lowers Debut Electric Truck Production Volume Targets
https://t.co/znZihAFVQZ

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$NKLA Tre BEV truck with a 300 mile range will be priced at $300k according to their FY 2021 Outlook. According to CEO Mark Russell, no committed orders yet.
https://twitter.com/meckimac/status/1365062064771899399
Image at link: Nikola 2021 outlook timeline

< Nikola Tre costs twice as much as a Tesla Semi >
Tesla semi truck with 300 mile range is $150k, $180k version has 500 mile range.

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Nikola says they are considering using "blue Hydrogen" a.k.a. reformed natural gas.
That's literally a fossil fuel at that point! What a SCAM
$NKLA $NKLAQ #NikolaGate
https://twitter.com/nikola_truth/status/1365062205364912128

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Per their press release, Nikola has finally discontinued their Powersports line.  But their website still featured them, along with the Badger pickup truck (announced as dropped months ago), right up until the earnings call.
https://twitter.com/insidernikola/status/1365051078287314944

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Gary Black (@garyblack00) 2/26/21, 8:52 AM
Amazing that none of the analysts on yesterday’s $NKLA earnings call asked about the 10K disclosure that outside counsel found that nine comments by founder and former Chairman Trevor Milton from July 2016 were “inaccurate in whole or in part, when made,” which is a likely precursor to a SEC securities fraud charge against the company. This admission, plus the CFO suggesting to investors on the call that a capital raise was likely, are both negatives for $NKLA stock. …
https://twitter.com/garyblack00/status/1365298811149701127

“Nikola has extended $8.1 million to cover legal fees for Milton based on an indemnification agreement, it said in the filing”
— Bloomberg
Nikola admits to making “inaccurate” statements under disgraced founder
Example:  At a 2016 press event, Milton took to the stage to unveil a prototype of the company's first truck, dubbed the Nikola One. During the event, Milton claimed that the truck "fully functions." In reality, Nikola never got the truck to move under its own power.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/02/nikola-admits-to-making-inaccurate-statements-under-disgraced-founder/
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2256 on: March 02, 2021, 08:22:12 PM »
Autonomous bits
—- Tesla FSD beta
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My car just drove me 85 miles from the central parking garage at Boston Logan through the spaghetti leaving the airport to nightmare rush hour, tunnels, interchanges, bridges, and to my house without a single intervention. :o #NOAP #FSDBeta #tesla #model3
https://twitter.com/kimpaquette/status/1365104513376522241
Kim Paquette:  Literally. I only initiated a lane change when someone was tailgating me.

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Tesla Owners Of Silicon Valley:
#FSDBeta handles mountainous road like a champ
➡️ https://twitter.com/teslaownerssv/status/1365753649763291139
2 min vid. Curvy road on side of mountain, with no guardrails

—- Hardware
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comma (@comma_ai) 2/22/21, 5:51 PM
Do humans have spinning lasers on their heads? No.
Do humans drive cars? Yes.
Lidar's a scam.
https://twitter.com/comma_ai/status/1363984736394174466

—- When the Human Driver fails
Technology developed for aviation, like anti-lock brakes. often trickles down to cars and trucks.
Two Pilots Lost Consciousness While Flying. Their F-16s Saved Them.
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This software is a guardian angel for pilots who pass out or become disoriented.
   •   Last year, a new autopilot system saved the lives of two F-16 pilots in two separate incidents.
   •   Auto GCAS is designed to take over when pilots pass out in the cockpit or become disoriented.
   •   The software can save a pilot and an aircraft plunging toward the ground, steering the plane to safety.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a35600340/f-16-pilots-passed-out-saved-by-auto-gcas-software/

Traffic backed up for 1 hour after driver falls asleep at the wheel and hits the center divider on the freeway
https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1364257951528067072
Level 5 autonomy can eliminate such incidents, by taking over when a driver becomes impaired.

Elon Musk says FSD (beta) will be available by subscription (by month) in Q2, which would allow purchase for use on occasional long trips.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1366514764868775936
But imagine, when FSD is certified, if Tesla offered it on a per-use basis.  Like an instant Uber:  Hey car, I’m drunk; take me home.

—- Waymo:  Geo-fenced in Arizona
No long trips possible. Actually, not even to metro Phoenix.
➡️ https://twitter.com/thechriswessel/status/1365648402877325320

—- The long and winding road
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The real world can be crazy. But that’s ok as long as FSD knows what it doesn’t know
If it sees something really out there, it‘ll route away from it or let the human take control
Gathering data on these weird long tail scenarios is like finding a needle in a haystack
➡️ https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1365634480803774465
Karpathy clip at the link. ⬇️ Below:  Edge cases. The roundabout is in Swindon, UK
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2257 on: March 03, 2021, 06:13:07 PM »
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Sono Motors:
Solar charging.

< Per Google:
"The solar cells integrated into the body of the Sion can add up to 245 km (112 km on average) of driving range per week through solar energy to the car's battery."
➡️ https://twitter.com/sonomotors/status/1367127626809139204
1-min Video: charging while driving!
 
—- U.S.: seasonal gasoline price increases underway
“By law, summer blend gas must arrive in Southern California counties by April 1 to meet air quality standards, bringing with it increased prices. The Auto Club said drivers might have to wait until May for prices to start stabilizing” — CBS
Have You Noticed Higher Gas Prices Lately? You’re Not Alone – CBS Los Angeles
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/03/01/southern-california-high-gas-prices-summer-blend/amp/
 
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More and more automakers are pledging to be all-EV in 2030 —
How many people will be willing to buy ICE cars in 2028 & 2029?
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2258 on: March 04, 2021, 02:37:47 PM »
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2259 on: March 04, 2021, 02:53:37 PM »
GM Looking to Build 2nd US Battery Factory, Tennessee Likely
https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/business/gm-looking-to-build-2nd-us-battery-factory-tennessee-likely/amp/

DETROIT (AP) — General Motors says it’s looking for a site to build a second U.S. battery factory with joint venture partner LG Chem of Korea.

The companies hope to have a decision on a site in the first half of the year, spokesman Dan Flores said Thursday.

Flores would not say where the company is looking, but it’s likely to be near GM’s Spring Hill, Tennessee, factory complex, which is one of three sites the company has designated to build electric vehicles.

A joint venture between GM and LG Chem currently is building a $2 billion battery factory in Lordstown, Ohio, near Cleveland, that will employ about 1,000 people. The site is fairly close to GM’s two other designated electric vehicle plants, one in Detroit and the other north of the city in Orion Township, Michigan.

GM is likely to need far more battery capacity if it’s able to deliver on a goal of converting all of its new passenger vehicles from internal combustion engines to electricity by 2035.

LG Chem now has a battery cell plant in Holland, Michigan, that supplies power to the Chevrolet Bolt hatchback and the new Bolt electric SUV.
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2260 on: March 04, 2021, 05:48:00 PM »
—- Waymo vs. Tesla.  Chandler, Arizona
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trying do do an FSD waymo same route comparison, but there are so many places waymo won’t go!
hard to find something…
https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1367027660858159106

WMC: amazing how FSD brought us here from a different state, but waymo can’t take us to costco 5 minutes away because it’s outside the geofence
https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1367032043075375107

WMC: so funny when it just blew past us at full speed but couldn’t stop or enter the plaza to the left to pick us up
< It will only turn left at protected intersections so it goes alllll the way down until there is one
https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1367059459428683780

WMC:
A $35,000 Tesla can do the same thing as a $400,000 Waymo.
No specialized hardware. No lasers. Just a normal production car.
https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1367081610240135171
< Technically $45k when you add FSD, but yeah.
> are those Pacifica minivans they use PHEV?
WMC: yes
<> Does each one of those reindeers seriously cost $400k ??
Whole Mars Catalog:  ya

⬇️ Image below: Waymo’s route.

Tesla FSD vs Waymo: how do they compare driving to the same destination? [with Video]
March 3, 2021
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Sometimes referred to as the industry leader, much has been said about Waymo’s autonomous driving capabilities compared to Tesla’s Full Self-Driving (FSD) beta.

Waymo currently operates its driverless taxi’s in a limited area in Arizona. Tesla’s FSD beta can travel on any road, but it is limited to only about 1,000 testers, making comparisons difficult.

That’s where FSD beta tester @WholeMarsBlog comes in, who ventured to Arizona to compare the two self-driving vehicles.

Two tests were conducted, both with interesting results. …
https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-fsd-vs-waymo-how-do-they-compare-driving-to-the-same-destination-video/

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Law Enforcement Protocol for Autonomous Vehicles (Arizona)
https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1367462846007701507
At the link:  Two long pages of text. One part is about informing first responders how to tell if the vehicle is in autonomous mode, and prepare it for towing.
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2261 on: March 04, 2021, 07:28:54 PM »
Now that's just Evil.  Waymo had it all stitched up and could say whatever they wanted.  Now people get to see what the real difference is in sophistication and capabilities.
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Re: Electric cars
« Reply #2262 on: March 05, 2021, 07:52:19 PM »
Honda introduces:  Traffic Jam Pilot
• An autonomous mode for congested traffic on an expressway when travelling slower than 50 kilometers per hour (31mph).
• Driver must be ready to take over at any time
• Honda is making it available in only 100 luxury Legend sedans (Waymo has 600), for lease only, for $102,000.

The level 3 technology "is what will be needed in the future for sure," said Sugimoto. He said it would eventually be distributed "hopefully in a decade or two" for one of Honda's top-selling models.

Honda launches world's first level 3 self-driving car
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Honda-launches-world-s-first-level-3-self-driving-car
 
::) I expect this capability will be commonplace in new cars in five years or less.  Honda might not last that long.
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