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Re: Sea Level Rise and Social Cost of Carbon
« Reply #600 on: June 19, 2016, 04:12:09 PM »
The linked reference provides evidence that indeed the rate of GMSL rise has been accelerating recently.  Not only does this mean that sea level will be higher in the future, but also that Hansen's ice-climate feedback is beginning:

P. J. Watson (16 June 2016), "A new perspective on global mean sea-level (GMSL) acceleration", Geophysical Research Letters, DOI: 10.1002/2016GL069653


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2016GL069653/abstract

Abstract: "The vast body of contemporary climate change science is largely underpinned by the premise of a measured acceleration from anthropogenic forcings evident in key climate change proxies – greenhouse gas emissions, temperature and mean sea-level. By virtue, over recent years, the issue of whether or not there is a measurable acceleration in global mean sea-level has resulted in fierce, widespread professional, social and political debate. Attempts to measure acceleration in global mean sea-level (GMSL) have often used comparatively crude analysis techniques providing little temporal instruction on these key questions. This work proposes improved techniques to measure real-time velocity and acceleration based on five GMSL reconstructions spanning the time frame from 1807-2014 with substantially improved temporal resolution. Whilst this analysis highlights key differences between the respective reconstructions, there is now more robust, convincing evidence of recent acceleration in the trend of GMSL."
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« Reply #601 on: June 25, 2016, 06:19:05 PM »
Climate Change Could Put Major Boston Landmarks Under Water
City’s temps could climb past 90 degrees 1 in 4 days a year
http://boston.curbed.com/2016/6/23/12011916/climate-change-boston-landmarks
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« Reply #602 on: June 28, 2016, 05:15:04 PM »
The linked article discusses how bad SLR could get:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/05/20/10-things-you-should-know-about-sea-level-rise-and-how-bad-it-could-be/

Extract: "Sea level rise has been in the news a lot lately. Recent research has raised concerns about the possible collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and how this could double sea level rise projections for 2100.
Sea level rise is potentially one of the most damaging results of climate change, but few people understand its risks. Its impacts — financial and otherwise — will spread far from the coasts.
Here are 10 things you should know about sea level rise, what causes it and how bad it might get."
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« Reply #603 on: July 12, 2016, 11:40:42 PM »
Here is a high-resolution study on ice mass loss from the GIS:


Malcolm McMillan et al (9 July 2016), "A high-resolution record of Greenland mass balance", Geophysical Research Letters, DOI: 10.1002/2016GL069666

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2016GL069666/abstract?campaign=agupersonalchoice

Abstract: "We map recent Greenland Ice Sheet elevation change at high spatial (5 km) and temporal (monthly) resolution using CryoSat-2 altimetry. After correcting for the impact of changing snowpack properties associated with unprecedented surface melting in 2012, we find good agreement (3 cm/yr bias) with airborne measurements. With the aid of regional climate and firn modeling, we compute high spatial and temporal resolution records of Greenland mass evolution, which correlate (R = 0.96) with monthly satellite gravimetry and reveal glacier dynamic imbalance. During 2011–2014, Greenland mass loss averaged 269 ± 51 Gt/yr. Atmospherically driven losses were widespread, with surface melt variability driving large fluctuations in the annual mass deficit. Terminus regions of five dynamically thinning glaciers, which constitute less than 1% of Greenland's area, contributed more than 12% of the net ice loss. This high-resolution record demonstrates that mass deficits extending over small spatial and temporal scales have made a relatively large contribution to recent ice sheet imbalance."
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« Reply #604 on: July 15, 2016, 05:08:12 PM »
The linked article notes that currently some of the world's largest cities are sinking faster than the oceans are currently rising.  Some people will take this to mean that they can continue to discount the importance of anthropogenic eustatic SLR; others will realize that this means that such cities (like New Orleans) will be in trouble sooner than the average coastal cities, and will draw-down limited national resource will fighting a losing battle. This may likely leave cities with a fighting chance (like New York) without sufficient national support to adequately defend themselves:

https://eos.org/features/global-risks-and-research-priorities-for-coastal-subsidence

Extract: "Some of the world's largest cities are sinking faster than the oceans are rising. Humans are part of the problem …"
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« Reply #605 on: July 22, 2016, 11:46:09 AM »
The linked article discusses the second phase of the Mass Balance Inter-comparison Exercise (IMBIE) project focused on better documentation of ice sheet contributions to GSLR.

Edit: I note that this type of study typically combines multiple sources of measurements as if they might all be equally correct; while I prefer ice sheet mass loss scenarios such as those developed by Rignot as he seems to better understand the importance of the various factors contributing to such scenarios (especially upper bound scenarios):

Briggs, K. H., et al. (2016), Charting ice sheet contributions to global sea level rise, Eos, 97, doi:10.1029/2016EO055719. Published on 18 July 2016

https://eos.org/project-updates/charting-ice-sheet-contributions-to-global-sea-level-rise

Abstract: "In 2012, the first community assessment of ice mass losses from Antarctica and Greenland demonstrated confidence in our estimates, showing that measurements based on data from different classes of satellite sensors agreed with one another and that the combined rate of loss had tripled over the previous 2 decades. Now, we’ve begun a second phase of this assessment, with an open call for participation and an ambitious schedule to deliver annual updates."
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« Reply #606 on: August 08, 2016, 11:57:27 PM »
The linked reference address means to more precisely determine sea-level during MIS 5e:

Rovere, A.; Raymo, M., E.; Vacchi, M.; Lorscheid, T.; Stocchi, P.; Gómez-Pujol, L.; Harris, D., L.; Casella, E.; O’Leary, M., J.; and Hearty, P., J. (2016), "The analysis of Last Interglacial (MIS 5e) relative sea-level indicators: Reconstructing sea-level in a warmer world",  Earth-Science Reviews, 159: 404-427; doi:10.1016/j.earscirev.2016.06.006

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012825216301246

Abstract: "The Last Interglacial (MIS 5e, 128–116 ka) is among the most studied past periods in Earth's history. The climate at that time was warmer than today, primarily due to different orbital conditions, with smaller ice sheets and higher sea-level. Field evidence for MIS 5e sea-level was reported from thousands of sites, but often paleo shorelines were measured with low-accuracy techniques and, in some cases, there are contrasting interpretations about paleo sea-level reconstructions. For this reason, large uncertainties still surround both the maximum sea-level attained as well as the pattern of sea-level change throughout MIS 5e. Such uncertainties are exacerbated by the lack of a uniform approach to measuring and interpreting the geological evidence of paleo sea-levels. In this review, we discuss the characteristics of MIS 5e field observations, and we set the basis for a standardized approach to MIS 5e paleo sea-level reconstructions, that is already successfully applied in Holocene sea-level research. Application of the standard definitions and methodologies described in this paper will enhance our ability to compare data from different research groups and different areas, in order to gain deeper insights into MIS 5e sea-level changes. Improving estimates of Last Interglacial sea-level is, in turn, a key to understanding the behavior of ice sheets in a warmer world."
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« Reply #607 on: August 09, 2016, 01:08:39 PM »
I have a look at the NASA Sea Level Change Page now and again and I think the Global Mean Sea Level has moved up from 3.4 to 3.5 since I last looked (but it could be my memory failing :) Also a good article on how persistent low pressure and a change in wind patterns could be having a dramatic local affect on sea levels North Eastern coast of the US.

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/news/52/neglected-effects-might-influence-sea-level

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« Reply #608 on: August 09, 2016, 02:54:21 PM »
I have a look at the NASA Sea Level Change Page now and again and I think the Global Mean Sea Level has moved up from 3.4 to 3.5

The most interesting change is the doubling of annual sea level rise in the second decade of this century.  In the last five years (since January 2011) sea level rise has averaged 6mm per year reflecting the rapid acceleration of polar sheet ice melt.

Sea level was +40mm in January 2011 and is +73mm in April 2016, giving a rise of 33mm in 5.4 years or 6mm per year.  Raw data found at;

ftp://podaac.jpl.nasa.gov/allData/merged_alt/L2/TP_J1_OSTM/global_mean_sea_level/GMSL_TPJAOS_199209_201605.txt

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« Reply #609 on: August 09, 2016, 02:56:54 PM »
Does anyone know of data for sea level rise that uses the normal date system instead of decimal fractions of a year?

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« Reply #610 on: August 09, 2016, 05:57:06 PM »


The most interesting change is the doubling of annual sea level rise in the second decade of this century.  In the last five years (since January 2011) sea level rise has averaged 6mm per year reflecting the rapid acceleration of polar sheet ice melt.

Sea level was +40mm in January 2011 and is +73mm in April 2016, giving a rise of 33mm in 5.4 years or 6mm per year.  Raw data found at;

ftp://podaac.jpl.nasa.gov/allData/merged_alt/L2/TP_J1_OSTM/global_mean_sea_level/GMSL_TPJAOS_199209_201605.txt

I think it is a mistake to attribute the higher trend to increased melt. More important in the short term (and 5 years is very short term) is the ENSO correlation:



The 2011 to 2016 period starts at the strongest La Nina and ends on the 2nd Strongest El Nino. This has a huge impact on rainfall patterns and land storage of water. More rain over the tropical land areas in La Nina, more rain over ocean during El Nino (and corresponding drought over South America and tropical Oceania).

Better to draw a trend line through points of similar ENSO values: 2006, 2009, 2012, 2014, for example. These points define a trend that is only a little steeper than the long term trend line.

Wait until the current transition to neutral or weak El Nino bottoms out. Compare 2016/17 sea level values to 2013 and 2008 values. Then draw a trend line through those points. I predict that trend line will be far less than 6mm/yr, but it could still be a little larger than the current long term trend of 3.4 mm/yr.

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« Reply #611 on: August 10, 2016, 07:38:32 PM »
The linked reference indicates that the 1991 Mt. Pinatubo eruption suppressed subsequent sea level rise, but that this effect was not considered by Large Ensemble (LE) climate models (see attached plots) and thus we can expect the rate of SLR to accelerate in the near-term as the Mt. Pinatubo effect dissipates:

Fasullo, J.T., Nerem, R.S. & Hamlington, B. (August 10, 2016), "Is the detection of accelerated sea level rise imminent?", Scientific Reports 6, No. 31245, doi: 10.1038/srep31245.

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep31245

See also:

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/climate-change-sea-level-rise

Extract: "Recent reports that suggest sea levels aren't rising as fast as expected – and may even be dropping – could be inaccurate, according to new research.
Experts from the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) have discovered that the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines could have masked the true reading, and this could have dire consequences for the future.
Satellite observations, which began in 1993, show that the rate of sea level rise has held fairly steady at about 3 millimeters per year. However, these records began soon after the eruption, which temporarily cooled the planet, causing sea levels to drop.
The new study finds that the lower starting point effectively distorts the calculation of sea level rise acceleration for the last couple of decades. It also lends support to projections that show the rate of sea level rise escalating over time as the climate warms.
"When we used climate model runs designed to remove the effect of the Pinatubo eruption, we saw the rate of sea level rise accelerating in our simulations," said NCAR scientist John Fasullo, who led the study. "Now that the impacts of Pinatubo have faded, this acceleration should become evident in the satellite measurements in the coming decade, barring another major volcanic eruption.""
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Re: Sea Level Rise and Social Cost of Carbon
« Reply #612 on: August 10, 2016, 08:46:47 PM »
The linked reference indicates that the 1991 Mt. Pinatubo eruption suppressed subsequent sea level rise, but that this effect was not considered by Large Ensemble (LE) climate models

Great Find as always, I was not sure to put this into SLR or Conservative Scientists threads since the projections to 2020 are much lower than I expect we will find
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« Reply #613 on: August 10, 2016, 09:49:58 PM »
The linked reference indicates that the 1991 Mt. Pinatubo eruption suppressed subsequent sea level rise, but that this effect was not considered by Large Ensemble (LE) climate models

Great Find as always, I was not sure to put this into SLR or Conservative Scientists threads since the projections to 2020 are much lower than I expect we will find

Frequently it is a challenge to decide where to post links to new research, so I will re-post this info over in the Conservative Scientists thread as well.
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« Reply #614 on: September 07, 2016, 09:28:58 PM »
Here is an article on the possible impacts of SLR on NYC:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/new-york-future-flooding-climate-change.html?mid=nymag_press

Extract: "Even locals who believe climate change is real have a hard time grasping that their city will almost certainly be flooded beyond recognition."
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« Reply #615 on: September 21, 2016, 05:51:08 PM »
Great article on Scherer paper today in the Washington Post.  By adding key ice sheet collapse mechanisms to their model, researchers have found significant east Antarctica ice sheet collapse (as well as full west collapse) during the Pliocene (see associated image below)



article here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/09/20/scientists-may-have-just-solved-a-riddle-about-antarctica-and-youre-not-going-to-like-the-answer

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The new study suggests otherwise. In the Pliocene — and especially the mid-Pliocene warm period, when atmospheric carbon dioxide was at about the level where it is now, 400 parts per million, but global temperatures were 1 or 2 degrees Celsius warmer than at present — the model not only collapses the entirety of West Antarctica (driving some 10 feet of global sea-level rise) but also shows the oceans eating substantially into key parts of East Antarctica. In particular, the multi-kilometer thick ice that currently fills the extremely deep Aurora and Wilkes basins of the eastern ice sheet retreats inland for hundreds of miles — which would have driven global seas to a much higher level than a West Antarctic collapse alone.

referenced paper found here:  http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms12957

Windblown Pliocene diatoms and East Antarctic Ice Sheet retreat

    Reed P. Scherer

Abstract

Marine diatoms in tillites along the Transantarctic Mountains (TAMs) have been used to suggest a diminished East Antarctic Ice Sheet (EAIS) during Pliocene warm periods. Updated ice-sheet modelling shows significant Pliocene EAIS retreat, creating marine embayments into the Wilkes and Aurora basins that were conducive to high diatom productivity and rapid accumulation of diatomaceous sediments. Here we show that subsequent isostatic uplift exposed accumulated unconsolidated marine deposits to wind erosion. We report new atmospheric modelling utilizing Pliocene climate and derived Antarctic landscapes indicating that prevailing mid-altitude winds transported diatoms towards the TAMs, dominantly from extensive emerged coastal deposits of the Aurora Basin. This result unifies leading ideas from competing sides of a contentious debate about the origin of the diatoms in the TAMs and their link to EAIS history, supporting the view that parts of the EAIS are vulnerable to relatively modest warming, with possible implications for future sea-level rise.

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« Reply #616 on: September 21, 2016, 06:34:52 PM »
Thanks for the tip, jai!

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« Reply #617 on: September 21, 2016, 06:35:21 PM »
jai,

A great (& disturbing) catch, particularly as Robert M. DeConto, David Pollard & Richard B. Alley are co-authors and must have used hydrofracturing and cliff failure mechanisms in their models.

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« Reply #618 on: October 15, 2016, 06:50:11 PM »
Changing from disbelief/denial  to  bargaining/reaching for a miracle.

The $50 billion plan to save Louisiana's coast gets a rewrite
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Gov. John Bel Edwards made clear that the 2017 master plan – and its reshuffling of which restoration and levee projects are included and are built during its early years – will represent a new, aggressive phase of Louisiana's efforts to create a sustainable coast, sustainable economy and sustainable coastal communities.

"Simply put, I didn't become governor to watch south Louisiana wash away," Edwards told attendees at a June gathering of scientists, activists and public officials working on restoration. "We've only got a short amount of time to get this right. We're going to do that. We're going to rise to the challenge. We're going to be successful."
http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2016/10/louisiana_coastal_flood_protection_plan.html
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« Reply #619 on: October 15, 2016, 07:26:09 PM »
Changing from disbelief/denial  to  bargaining/reaching for a miracle.

The $50 billion plan to save Louisiana's coast gets a rewrite

The linked video summarizes a few of the well known challenges that Louisiana faces when trying to "save" their coastline:

http://www.businessinsider.com/every-map-louisiana-lie-2016-10
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« Reply #620 on: November 01, 2016, 03:28:00 AM »
The linked reference and associated NASA articles indicate that global tide gauges are likely located around the world in positions that underestimate the rate of mean global sea level rise:

P. R. Thompson, B. D. Hamlington, F. W. Landerer & S. Adhikari (9 October 2016), "Are long tide gauge records in the wrong place to measure global mean sea level rise?", Geophysical Research Letters, DOI: 10.1002/2016GL070552

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2016GL070552/abstract

Abstract: "Ocean dynamics, land motion, and changes in Earth's gravitational and rotational fields cause local sea level change to deviate from the rate of global mean sea level rise. Here we use observations and simulations of spatial structure in sea level change to estimate the likelihood that these processes cause sea level trends in the longest and highest-quality tide gauge records to be systematically biased relative to the true global mean rate. The analyzed records have an average twentieth century rate of approximately 1.6 mm/yr, but based on the locations of these gauges, we show that the simple average underestimates the twentieth century global mean rate by 0.1 ± 0.2 mm/yr. Given the distribution of potential sampling biases, we find that <1% probability that observed trends from the longest and highest-quality tide gauge records are consistent with global mean rates less than 1.4 mm/yr."


Se the linked NASA article and the attached associated image:

http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2504/historical-records-may-underestimate-sea-level-rise/

Extract: "A new NASA and university study using NASA satellite data finds that tide gauges — the longest and highest-quality records of historical ocean water levels — may have underestimated the amount of global average sea level rise that occurred during the 20th century.

A research team led by Philip Thompson, associate director of the University of Hawaii Sea Level Center in the School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology, Manoa, evaluated how various processes that cause sea level to change differently in different places may have affected past measurements. The team also included scientists from NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California, and Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Virginia.

“It’s not that there’s something wrong with the instruments or the data,” said Thompson, “but for a variety of reasons, sea level does not change at the same pace everywhere at the same time. As it turns out, our best historical sea level records tend to be located where 20th century sea level rise was most likely less than the true global average.”

One of the key processes the researchers looked at is the effect of “ice melt fingerprints,” which are global patterns of sea level change caused by deviations in Earth’s rotation and local gravity that occur when a large ice mass melts. To determine the unique melt fingerprint for glaciers, ice caps and ice sheets, the team used data from NASA’s Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) satellites on Earth’s changing gravitational field, and a novel modeling tool (developed by study co-author Surendra Adhikari and the JPL team) that simulates how ocean mass is redistributed due to ice melting.

One of the most fascinating and counter-intuitive features of these fingerprints is that sea level drops in the vicinity of a melting glacier, instead of rising as might be expected. The loss of ice mass reduces the glacier’s gravitational influence, causing nearby ocean water to migrate away. But far from the glacier, the water it has added to the ocean causes sea level to rise at a much greater rate.

During the 20th century, the dominant locations of global ice melt were in the Northern Hemisphere. The results of this study showed that many of the highest-quality historical water level records are taken from places where the melt fingerprints of Northern Hemisphere sources result in reduced local sea level change compared to the global average. Furthermore, the scientists found that factors capable of enhancing sea level rise at these locations, such as wind or Southern Hemisphere melt, were not likely to have counteracted the impact of fingerprints from Northern Hemisphere ice melt.

The study concludes it is highly unlikely that global average sea level rose less than 5.5 inches (14 centimeters) during the 20th century. The most likely amount was closer to 6.7 inches (17 centimeters).

“This is really important, because it provides answers to the question about how melt fingerprints and the influence of wind on ocean circulation affect our ability to estimate past sea level rise,” said Thompson. “These results suggest that our longest records are most likely to underestimate past global mean change and allow us to establish the minimum amount of global sea level rise that could have occurred during the last century.”"
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« Reply #621 on: November 08, 2016, 07:42:30 PM »
To me the linked reference entitled: "Coastal sea level rise with warming above 2 °C", errs on the side of least drama by minimizing the risk of the WAIS collapsing & by assuming AR5 values for climate sensitivity.  Nevertheless, it does indicate that without rapidly implemented mitigation measures we may reach the 2C level by 2040 (using ESLD assumptions) which may result in significant levels of SLR (even when minimizing the risks of WAIS contributions this century):

Svetlana Jevrejeva, Luke P. Jackson, Riccardo E. M. Riva, Aslak Grinsted, and John C. Moore (2016), "Coastal sea level rise with warming above 2 °C", PNAS, doi: 10.1073/pnas.1605312113

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2016/11/02/1605312113

Abstract: "Two degrees of global warming above the preindustrial level is widely suggested as an appropriate threshold beyond which climate change risks become unacceptably high. This “2 °C” threshold is likely to be reached between 2040 and 2050 for both Representative Concentration Pathway (RCP) 8.5 and 4.5. Resulting sea level rises will not be globally uniform, due to ocean dynamical processes and changes in gravity associated with water mass redistribution. Here we provide probabilistic sea level rise projections for the global coastline with warming above the 2 °C goal. By 2040, with a 2 °C warming under the RCP8.5 scenario, more than 90% of coastal areas will experience sea level rise exceeding the global estimate of 0.2 m, with up to 0.4 m expected along the Atlantic coast of North America and Norway. With a 5 °C rise by 2100, sea level will rise rapidly, reaching 0.9 m (median), and 80% of the coastline will exceed the global sea level rise at the 95th percentile upper limit of 1.8 m. Under RCP8.5, by 2100, New York may expect rises of 1.09 m, Guangzhou may expect rises of 0.91 m, and Lagos may expect rises of 0.90 m, with the 95th percentile upper limit of 2.24 m, 1.93 m, and 1.92 m, respectively. The coastal communities of rapidly expanding cities in the developing world, and vulnerable tropical coastal ecosystems, will have a very limited time after midcentury to adapt to sea level rises unprecedented since the dawn of the Bronze Age."
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« Reply #622 on: November 26, 2016, 05:26:48 PM »
Bill McKibben:  Believe it or not, BP is sponsoring art exhibit entitled 'Sunken Cities.' This isn't even irony, it's just a raised corporate middle finger

As new cities are added, the waters in the @britishmuseum Great Court spread. BP = sea level rise = #SunkenCities @350 @GreenpeaceUK

https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/802539750028611584

People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.

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« Reply #623 on: November 27, 2016, 04:15:47 PM »
Perils of Climate Change Could Swamp Coastal Real Estate

In the linked reference there are some interesting noted changes within the real estate, insurance and banking
Industries related to the threat of increasing encroachment of Sea Water.

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State lawmakers in Massachusetts and New Jersey are pushing to impose new rules on real estate agents and others, obligating them to disclose climate-related damage like previous flooding.
Banks and insurers need to protect their collateral and investors more by improving their methods for estimating climate-change risks and creating more standardized rules for reporting them publicly, economists warn.
In April, Sean Becketti, the chief economist for Freddie Mac, the government-backed mortgage giant, issued a dire prediction. It is only a matter of time, he wrote, before sea level rise and storm surges become so unbearable along the coast that people will leave, ditching their mortgages and potentially triggering another housing meltdown — except this time, it would be unlikely that these housing prices would ever recover.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/24/science/global-warming-coastal-real-estate.html

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« Reply #624 on: November 27, 2016, 04:42:49 PM »
Miami-Dade Clerk Of Courts Calls For Sea-Level Rise Superfund
http://wlrn.org/post/miami-dade-clerk-courts-calls-sea-level-rise-superfund

On this thread, I have argued repeatedly that we are seriously underestimating the devastation that sea level rise will have on the global economy. I have argued that the wholesale destruction of property will actually result in the total collapse of the worldwide financial system that serves as the foundation of global capitalism. I will attempt to explain my point of view one more time and will use this linked article to make my point.

In the linked article the "Miami-Dade Clerk of Courts, Harvey Ruvin, sent a letter last week to South Florida members of Congress urging for the creation of a Federal Resiliency Superfund." He said that changes "in ocean levels threaten $6 trillion worth state property as well as the lives of the millions of South Floridians."

If you look at the picture at the top of the article, it conjures up a vision of Venice, buildings surrounded by water. This picture is not far from the truth as sea level rise will not result in the complete destruction of built structures. These magnificent structures will remain as monuments to our stupidity. Sewers are underground and it is estimated that a 1 meter rise in sea level over the current levels will render useless the waste water removal and treatment infrastructure in Dade County. The county will frequently and repeatedly be standing in a pool of raw sewage, rendering the county unfit for human habitation. Fresh water distribution is at risk as well but since water distribution is under pressure, it can withstand saltwater intrusion better than waste water infrastructure.

So why will this destruction of the built up wealth of $6 trillion damage the system of capitalism? It is not the structures themselves but the links these structures have with the financial system that will cause the damage. Mortgages and other debt issued against the value of this property will go into default. This debt has been packaged and sold into the financial markets and form the basis for pensions and wealth that is spread across the planet. The financial wealth that is supported by this debt is then borrowed against as well. The insurance and reinsurance industries are at risk as obligations against the physical structures and financial instruments will play havoc.

If you were paying attention in 2007, this is the process that nearly brought down the worldwide financial system. Only a coordinated effort by the banks of the entire developed world prevented this collapse as western nations flooded the system with an unprecedented amount of liquidity. This liquidity continues to prop up a still fragile financial system and the historically low interest rates are all the evidence that you need to realize that this excessive liquidity is still in the system.

So is a $6 trillion destruction of wealth really that large? Can that trigger the same kind of reaction in the financial markets that the destruction of wealth caused by the collapse of the housing bubble in 2007?

When the housing market bubble collapsed.....

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-housing-bubble-tanked-the-economy-and-the-tech-bubble-didnt/

"from 2007 to 2009, the value of real estate owned by U.S. households fell by nearly the same amount — $6 trillion"

Please keep in mind, that $6 trillion of real estate threatened by sea level rise is only in Florida. How many other coastal communities are at risk in the U.S.? How many globally?

The global financial system will not be able to withstand the devastation wrought by global warming and sea level rise is only one feature of global warming that will destroy the accumulated wealth in the system.

I argued this point over a year ago. The global system of Capitalism and the financial markets that support it are simply not capable of withstanding the damage that AGW will wreak on it. The costs of mitigation as governments attempt to save the wealth of the system that our cities and infrastructure represent will overwhelm their capacity to budget and pay for them. The financial crisis spurred by the near collapse of the housing market in the U.S. will look laughable compared to the approaching financial crisis. The response will be the same. As Capitalism teeters on the brink governments will engage in a quick, coordinated response. It will simply fail as the magnitude of the disaster overwhelms our attempts to save the system.

Simply to provide some background, perhaps to cause others to consider the accuracy of my admittedly personal viewpoint, I have an Economics degree and MBA (Specialization in Finance) from the University of Chicago.

(edit: This education and the knowledge acquired in a 40 year business career has served me well. By the beginning of 2008, I had nearly completely exited equity markets with less than 10% of my investments remaining in stock. (I saw the crash coming, the root cause, massive amounts of debt.) I began reentering equity markets in 2010 and my overall portfolio has nearly doubled since 2007.)
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« Reply #625 on: November 28, 2016, 01:26:52 AM »
The entire east coast is under attack and we are going to lose.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/sands-end/ar-AAkpaBJ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

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« Reply #626 on: November 29, 2016, 08:13:32 AM »
The entire east coast is under attack and we are going to lose.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/sands-end/ar-AAkpaBJ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout
Interesting article. Another one of the hidden ways that humanity is using the planet non-sustainably.

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« Reply #627 on: November 29, 2016, 09:57:53 AM »
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSE_Project attempts to do the impossiböe. Much better would be to just reinforce the buildings so Venice would become the first monument of AGW. If they want to preserve the buildings too I guess a monumental project of building a new Venice up 20 m could be started. Same goes for Amsterdam and a few other cities round the globe. The relocation of harbours is of course also a gargantuan task for future generations, but the land aquisition from suitable locations could be started now.

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« Reply #628 on: December 12, 2016, 01:33:06 AM »
The linked reference evaluates the implications of more accurately considering a 3-D viscoelastic Earth models as opposed to the less accurate assumption of elastic response on the sea-level fingerprint implications of an abrupt collapse of the WAIS.  Their findings conclude that "… when viscous effects are included, the peak sea-level fall predicted in the vicinity of WAIS during a melt event will increase by ~25% and ~50%, relative to the elastic case, for events of duration 25 years and 100 years, respectively."  This is important w.r.t. global sea level rise as the further the local sea-level drops around West Antarctica, the higher sea level will raise at distance away from West Antarctica.

Carling C. Hay, Harriet C. P. Lau, Natalya Gomez, Jacqueline Austermann, Evelyn Powell, Jerry X. Mitrovica, Konstantin Latychev, and Douglas A. Wiens (2016), "Sea-level fingerprints in a region of complex Earth structure: The case of WAIS", Journal of Climate, DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-16-0388.1


http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-16-0388.1


Abstract: "Sea-level fingerprints associated with rapid melting of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) have generally been computed under the assumption of a purely elastic response of the solid Earth. We investigate the impact of viscous effects on these fingerprints by computing gravitationally self-consistent sea-level changes that adopt a 3-D viscoelastic Earth model in the Antarctic region consistent with available geological and geophysical constraints. In West Antarctica, the model is characterized by a thin (~65 km) elastic lithosphere and sub-lithospheric viscosities that span three orders of magnitude, reaching values as low as ~4 × 1018 Pa s beneath WAIS. Our calculations indicate that sea-level predictions in the near field of WAIS will depart significantly from elastic fingerprints in as little as a few decades. For example, when viscous effects are included, the peak sea-level fall predicted in the vicinity of WAIS during a melt event will increase by ~25% and ~50%, relative to the elastic case, for events of duration 25 years and 100 years, respectively. Our results have implications for studies of sea-level change due to both ongoing mass loss from WAIS over the next century and future, large scale collapse of WAIS on century-to-millennial time scales."
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« Reply #629 on: December 15, 2016, 08:04:38 PM »
I'm trying to get clear in my mind the effect of short term climate forcers (SLCFs), e.g. methane and black carbon. The effect on sea-levels is one aspect.

Taking as an example, methane emitted between 50 and 40 years ago, the surface temperature rise caused now is more-or-less zero as the extra heat will have dissipated by radiation to space & etc.

However, I'd like to know more details. For example will that burst of heating have contributed to sea-level rise? Alsowill that effect, if any,  have been reversed (all or in part) as its effect on surface temperature disappears?

Are there any good references?
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« Reply #630 on: December 15, 2016, 10:24:12 PM »
Taking as an example, methane emitted between 50 and 40 years ago, the surface temperature rise caused now is more-or-less zero as the extra heat will have dissipated by radiation to space & etc.

However, I'd like to know more details. For example will that burst of heating have contributed to sea-level rise? Alsowill that effect, if any,  have been reversed (all or in part) as its effect on surface temperature disappears?

Geoff,

As mankind's radiative planetary forcing is not in balance (see the first image from March 2015), and the various Earth Systems can show different degrees of non-linearity at different times, the answers to your questions depend on what type of accounting system (first in, first out or first in, last out) that you want to use for determining impacts and responsibility (see the second image that hints at social justice and carbon budgets).

Thus one simple-minded example of estimating the sea level rise impacts of methane emissions from 40 to 50 years ago would be to take the third image of observed SLR (including this period) and linearly pro-rate the area under the radiative forcing curve (in this period) for methane as compared to the area under the total radiative forcing curve (in this period) shown on the fourth image.

However, in my next post I discuss some more complex issues that might change the estimate, depending on how much responsibility you care to recognize.

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« Reply #631 on: December 15, 2016, 10:52:22 PM »
Geoff,

As a follow-up to my last post, if you chose to accept the legal argument that one is responsible for turning the world over to the next generation with its systems in-balance then you might want to consider some of the following issues in determining impacts of a methane emission 40 to 50 years ago:

1.  The first image illustrates the logarithmic relationship of GHG concentrations (x) vs GMSTA (y); thus your methane emission 40 to 50-years ago is logarithmically worse (w.r.t. GMSTA) than such emissions today (so do you want to acknowledge responsibility for being an early emitter?).

2.  The second image shows both the AR4 (lower curve) and the AR5 (upper curve) GWP for methane; while the AGGI plot in my last post assumes the AR4 GWP it is out of date and should be updated to the AR5 curve which indicates a GWP of about 50 to 60 for methane over a 50-year period, so your assumption that your past methane emissions have all dissipated (w.r.t. atmosphere heat) is not correct.

3.  The third image show the AR5 GWP and GTP (see note below) for methane, which indicates a GTP50 of about 14, so you need to ask yourself if you are concerned about atmosphere heat content or only global mean surface temperature anomalies.

4.  The fourth image shows Pollard, et al's estimate for the timing of sea level rise contribution from Antarctica assuming continued BAU forcing and cliff failure and hydrofracturing response.  So you need to ask yourself, since your methane forcing was not in equilibrium to make room for the next generation, do you bear any responsibility for such potential future abrupt SLR.

5.  I could make similar points about TCR, ECS and ESS, but you get the idea.

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« Reply #632 on: December 15, 2016, 11:10:37 PM »
5.  I could make similar points about TCR, ECS and ESS, but you get the idea.

Geoff,

In case you haven't read any of my posts on climate sensitivity, I briefly note that:

A. Climate sensitivity is a function of temperature (see the first plot where ECS increases with GMST, as determined by paleo data);

B.  Climate sensitivity depends on how many earth systems one believes will exceed their various tipping points in the near future (see the second image of methane emissions projected to occur from thermokarst lakes following a BAU pathway);

C.  How response you care to believe that the climate is to radiative forcing (see the third image from the Ringberg 2015 workshop on climate sensitivity); and

D.  Where you accept that Lorenz attractors (such as the ENSO) can progressively ratchet-up Earth Systems to progressively higher degrees of activity with continued radiative forcing.

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« Reply #633 on: December 16, 2016, 01:38:23 AM »
Thanks ALSR

I'm working my way through your replies.
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« Reply #634 on: December 16, 2016, 03:16:56 AM »
A Question Re. Methane (CH4)


Both Shindell and IPCC 2007 attempt to give the Global Warming Potential (GWP) for a mass of CH4 compared to the same mass of Carbon Dioxide, (CO2). Both give figures that they believe are viable IF NO FURTHER CH4 IS RELEASED DURING THE TIME FRAME STUDIED.


Ie, if a given amount of CH4 is released, then, using Shindell's figures we should experience ~130 times as much warming effect, for ~ 7 years, as a similar amount of CO2 being released at that moment.
If any additional CH4 should find it's way into the atmosphere during that ~7 yr, period, the whole red line needs to be moved to the right along the X axis.
How far, (how many years) the red line must shift will depend on the amount of CH4 released within our 7 year window, Even if the release is not able to fully make up for the amount lost over time, causing the Parts Per Million. (PPM) to drop, the red line still needs to be pushed to the right.


If this is correct we will always find ourselves at the far left of the chart, and at the highest multiplier given.
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Again, the multipliers given are only accurate if no further atmospheric release occurs. Since we can't foresee a future without CH4 emissions, the warming effect will always be at least as high as
the most recent PPM multiplied be the shortest timespan multiplier.


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« Reply #635 on: December 16, 2016, 07:26:32 AM »
Re:methane

This probably belongs in a separate thread, but doi:10.1038/NCLIMATE2998 is useful especially in regard to the difference between pulse and sustained emissions. I attach fig 2.

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« Reply #636 on: December 16, 2016, 08:51:58 AM »
Re: post on nov 27 by bligh8 referring to freddie mac april call

its at
http://www.freddiemac.com/finance/report/20160426_lifes_a_beach.html

"In the housing crisis, a significant share of borrowers continued to make their mortgage payments even though the values of their homes were less than the balances of their mortgages. It is less likely that borrowers will continue to make mortgage payments if their homes are literally underwater."

"Or, alternatively, will the value of the house—and all the houses around it—plunge the first time a lender refuses to make a mortgage on a nearby house or an insurer refuses to issue a homeowner's policy? Or will the trigger be one or two homeowners who decide to sell defensively?"

game of chicken.

has links to flood maps. the new ones have real estate types squawking loud and long.

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« Reply #637 on: December 16, 2016, 11:01:47 AM »
The second part of this post will be of interest to people here: http://planet3.org/2016/12/15/day-4-at-agu-productive-self-doubt-and-healthy-retraction/
I expect more details, and maybe even the talks, will be availble on the AGU site.

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« Reply #638 on: December 16, 2016, 02:07:06 PM »
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It was the article you quote by Allen et. al. that prompted me to ask the question. However "New use of global warming potentials to compare cumulative and short-lived climate pollutants" is concerned with strategies "to limit [surface?] warming to 2°C".

If a proportion of the heat stored due to SLCF warming is stored in the deep ocean, it does not contribute to surface warming but does have consequences for sea level. I wanted to know how big this effect might be - and if there were other serious effects that can show themselves independently of the target to keep surface warming below a given level.


ALSR

(Still thinking about your posts but..)

Yes. My "assumption that [my example of] past methane emissions have all dissipated" after 50 years was incorrect but with GTP down to 14 from an initial 120 the effects on surface temperature is falling quite fast and after 100 years it's all but disappeared.

However, some of the heat has warmed the ocean and melted some land based ice, raising sea level.  This is not something that I noticed  in Allen et. al. at first - although they do say

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Some contributions to the rate of sea-level rise also scale with integrated climate forcing.
How big are these contributions?

I often read Myles Allen as saying "No need to worry much about SLCF - yet".

Is my impression incorrect?

If so, is he correct?
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« Reply #639 on: December 16, 2016, 04:27:05 PM »
ALSR

(Still thinking about your posts but..)

Yes. My "assumption that [my example of] past methane emissions have all dissipated" after 50 years was incorrect but with GTP down to 14 from an initial 120 the effects on surface temperature is falling quite fast and after 100 years it's all but disappeared.

However, some of the heat has warmed the ocean and melted some land based ice, raising sea level.  This is not something that I noticed  in Allen et. al. at first - although they do say

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Some contributions to the rate of sea-level rise also scale with integrated climate forcing.
How big are these contributions?

I often read Myles Allen as saying "No need to worry much about SLCF - yet".

Is my impression incorrect?

If so, is he correct?


Geoff,
I cannot answer your questions in an exact manner, but if you assume that Allen et. al. (2016) are telling decision makers that they can discount the importance of acting immediately on reducing anthropogenic SLCP emissions, then to me this is clearly an incorrect interpretation, even though in the attached figure they provide new dotted curves for both GWP & GTP for both methane and black carbon that are lower than those posted in AR5.  The correct interpretation is that one cannot make appropriate policy decisions without the projections of the best Earth Systems Models, ESMs, such as ACME (whose Phase I results should be available in 2017), for reasons including those that you posted and because we do not know which radiative forcing pathway that decision makers will take us down.

Myles R. Allen, Jan S. Fuglestvedt, Keith P. Shine, Andy Reisinger, Raymond T. Pierrehumbert and Piers M. Forster ; New use of global warming potentials to compare cumulative and short-lived climate pollutants; Nature Climate Change (2016) doi:10.1038/nclimate2998

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n8/full/nclimate2998.html

Extract: "Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) have requested guidance on common greenhouse gas metrics in accounting for Nationally determined contributions (NDCs) to emission reductions. Metric choice can affect the relative emphasis placed on reductions of ‘cumulative climate pollutants’ such as carbon dioxide versus ‘short-lived climate pollutants’ (SLCPs), including methane and black carbon. Here we show that the widely used 100-year global warming potential (GWP100) effectively measures the relative impact of both cumulative pollutants and SLCPs on realized warming 20–40 years after the time of emission. If the overall goal of climate policy is to limit peak warming, GWP100 therefore overstates the importance of current SLCP emissions unless stringent and immediate reductions of all climate pollutants result in temperatures nearing their peak soon after mid-century, which may be necessary to limit warming to “well below 2 °C” . The GWP100 can be used to approximately equate a one-off pulse emission of a cumulative pollutant and an indefinitely sustained change in the rate of emission of an SLCP. The climate implications of traditional CO2-equivalent targets are ambiguous unless contributions from cumulative pollutants and SLCPs are specified separately."


Caption: "This image is from the Nature Climate Change paper that proposes new ways of treating short lived climate pollutants when assessing the impact on future warming. In the graphic, global warming potential (GWP) and global temperature-change potential are shown as a function of the time horizon. a, Values for methane. b, Values for combined organic and black carbon. Solid lines show metrics calculated using current IPCC response functions; dotted blue lines show the impact of varying the climate response time. Dotted black lines show the value of GWP100. Courtesy: authors and Nature Climate Change."

I will make a few more comments in a follow-on post.

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« Reply #640 on: December 16, 2016, 04:35:52 PM »
Geoff,

The linked BBC article is entitled: "Methane surge needs 'urgent attention'", and it indicates that scientists need to re-focus on identifying the various sources and sinks for atmospheric methane (see attached images); however, such information and that provided by Allen et. al. (2016) err on the side of least drama for reasons including: 

(a) the authors state that the GWP100 for methane is about 30 whereas AR5 indicates that it is 34;

(b) the authors downplay the importance of likely future increases in natural methane emissions from high latitude soils and thermokarst lakes; as well as from the coming degradation of tropical rainforests; and

(c) the authors note the uncertainties associated changes (reductions) in the atmospheric hydroxyl reduction of methane; however, they treat this like a reduction in a methane sink; when in actuality this process increases the GWP of all of the current and future atmospheric methane so the effective GWP100 for methane through 2100 is likely well above 34 (see the following Wikilink to learn about GWP).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_potential


http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38285300

Extract: ""Methane has many sources, but the culprit behind the steep rise is probably agriculture," Prof Jackson told BBC News.
"We do see some increased fossil fuel emissions over the last decade, but we think biological sources, and tropical sources, are the most likely."
Agricultural sources would include cattle and other ruminants, as well as rice paddies.
Emissions from wetlands are almost certainly a significant part of this story as well. But so too could be the role played by the chemical reactions that normally remove methane from the atmosphere.
One of the most important of these is the destruction process involving the so-called hydroxyl radical.
The concentration of this chemical species in the atmosphere might also be changing in some way.
According to the ERL editorial, there needs to be a particular push on understanding such methane "sinks".
CH4 is about 30 times better than CO2, over a century timescale, at trapping heat in the atmosphere."


See also the linked Vox article is entitled: "Methane levels in the atmosphere are now rising at their fastest pace in decades".
http://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2016/12/12/13915950/methane-atmosphere-rise-agriculture

The following two references were cited in the articles cited previously in this post:

M Saunois, R B Jackson, P Bousquet, B Poulter and J G Canadell (12 December 2016), "The growing role of methane in anthropogenic climate change", Environmental Research Letters, Volume 11, Number 12,  doi:10.1088/1748-9326/11/12/120207.


http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/12/120207

Abstract: "Unlike CO2, atmospheric methane concentrations are rising faster than at any time in the past two decades and, since 2014, are now approaching the most greenhouse-gas-intensive scenarios. The reasons for this renewed growth are still unclear, primarily because of uncertainties in the global methane budget. New analysis suggests that the recent rapid rise in global methane concentrations is predominantly biogenic-most likely from agriculture-with smaller contributions from fossil fuel use and possibly wetlands. Additional attention is urgently needed to quantify and reduce methane emissions. Methane mitigation offers rapid climate benefits and economic, health and agricultural co-benefits that are highly complementary to CO2 mitigation."

Also see:
Saunois, M., Bousquet, P., Poulter, B., Peregon, A., Ciais, P., Canadell, J. G., Dlugokencky, E. J., Etiope, G., Bastviken, D., Houweling, S., Janssens-Maenhout, G., Tubiello, F. N., Castaldi, S., Jackson, R. B., Alexe, M., Arora, V. K., Beerling, D. J., Bergamaschi, P., Blake, D. R., Brailsford, G., Brovkin, V., Bruhwiler, L., Crevoisier, C., Crill, P., Covey, K., Curry, C., Frankenberg, C., Gedney, N., Höglund-Isaksson, L., Ishizawa, M., Ito, A., Joos, F., Kim, H.-S., Kleinen, T., Krummel, P., Lamarque, J.-F., Langenfelds, R., Locatelli, R., Machida, T., Maksyutov, S., McDonald, K. C., Marshall, J., Melton, J. R., Morino, I., Naik, V., O'Doherty, S., Parmentier, F.-J. W., Patra, P. K., Peng, C., Peng, S., Peters, G. P., Pison, I., Prigent, C., Prinn, R., Ramonet, M., Riley, W. J., Saito, M., Santini, M., Schroeder, R., Simpson, I. J., Spahni, R., Steele, P., Takizawa, A., Thornton, B. F., Tian, H., Tohjima, Y., Viovy, N., Voulgarakis, A., van Weele, M., van der Werf, G. R., Weiss, R., Wiedinmyer, C., Wilton, D. J., Wiltshire, A., Worthy, D., Wunch, D., Xu, X., Yoshida, Y., Zhang, B., Zhang, Z., and Zhu, Q.: The global methane budget 2000–2012, Earth Syst. Sci. Data, 8, 697-751, doi:10.5194/essd-8-697-2016, 2016.


http://www.earth-syst-sci-data.net/8/697/2016/

Abstract. The global methane (CH4) budget is becoming an increasingly important component for managing realistic pathways to mitigate climate change. This relevance, due to a shorter atmospheric lifetime and a stronger warming potential than carbon dioxide, is challenged by the still unexplained changes of atmospheric CH4 over the past decade. Emissions and concentrations of CH4 are continuing to increase, making CH4 the second most important human-induced greenhouse gas after carbon dioxide. Two major difficulties in reducing uncertainties come from the large variety of diffusive CH4 sources that overlap geographically, and from the destruction of CH4 by the very short-lived hydroxyl radical (OH). To address these difficulties, we have established a consortium of multi-disciplinary scientists under the umbrella of the Global Carbon Project to synthesize and stimulate research on the methane cycle, and producing regular (∼ biennial) updates of the global methane budget. This consortium includes atmospheric physicists and chemists, biogeochemists of surface and marine emissions, and socio-economists who study anthropogenic emissions. Following Kirschke et al. (2013), we propose here the first version of a living review paper that integrates results of top-down studies (exploiting atmospheric observations within an atmospheric inverse-modelling framework) and bottom-up models, inventories and data-driven approaches (including process-based models for estimating land surface emissions and atmospheric chemistry, and inventories for anthropogenic emissions, data-driven extrapolations).

For the 2003–2012 decade, global methane emissions are estimated by top-down inversions at 558 Tg CH4 yr−1, range 540–568. About 60 % of global emissions are anthropogenic (range 50–65 %). Since 2010, the bottom-up global emission inventories have been closer to methane emissions in the most carbon-intensive Representative Concentrations Pathway (RCP8.5) and higher than all other RCP scenarios. Bottom-up approaches suggest larger global emissions (736 Tg CH4 yr−1, range 596–884) mostly because of larger natural emissions from individual sources such as inland waters, natural wetlands and geological sources. Considering the atmospheric constraints on the top-down budget, it is likely that some of the individual emissions reported by the bottom-up approaches are overestimated, leading to too large global emissions. Latitudinal data from top-down emissions indicate a predominance of tropical emissions (∼ 64 % of the global budget, < 30° N) as compared to mid (∼ 32 %, 30–60° N) and high northern latitudes (∼ 4 %, 60–90° N). Top-down inversions consistently infer lower emissions in China (∼ 58 Tg CH4 yr−1, range 51–72, −14 %) and higher emissions in Africa (86 Tg CH4 yr−1, range 73–108, +19 %) than bottom-up values used as prior estimates. Overall, uncertainties for anthropogenic emissions appear smaller than those from natural sources, and the uncertainties on source categories appear larger for top-down inversions than for bottom-up inventories and models.

The most important source of uncertainty on the methane budget is attributable to emissions from wetland and other inland waters. We show that the wetland extent could contribute 30–40 % on the estimated range for wetland emissions. Other priorities for improving the methane budget include the following: (i) the development of process-based models for inland-water emissions, (ii) the intensification of methane observations at local scale (flux measurements) to constrain bottom-up land surface models, and at regional scale (surface networks and satellites) to constrain top-down inversions, (iii) improvements in the estimation of atmospheric loss by OH, and (iv) improvements of the transport models integrated in top-down inversions. The data presented here can be downloaded from the Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (http://doi.org/10.3334/CDIAC/GLOBAL_METHANE_BUDGET_2016_V1.1) and the Global Carbon Project.

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« Reply #641 on: December 16, 2016, 06:45:02 PM »
Due to political pressure Alley typically errs on the side of least drama; however, he is well aware that DeConto's projected SLR contributions from Antarctic would result in significantly higher SLR by 2100 than the 2 m that he acknowledges in the linked reference:

Michael Oppenheimer & Richard B. Alley (16 Dec 2016), "How high will the seas rise?" Science, Vol. 354, Issue 6318, pp. 1375-1377, DOI: 10.1126/science.aak9460. 

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/354/6318/1375


Summary: "Recent estimates suggest that global mean sea level rise could exceed 2 m by 2100. These projections are higher than previous ones and are based on the latest understanding of how the Antarctic Ice Sheet has behaved in the past and how sensitive it is to future climate change. They pose a challenge for scientists and policy-makers alike, requiring far-reaching decisions about coastal policies to be made based on rapidly evolving projections with large, persistent uncertainties. An effective approach to managing coastal risk should couple research priorities to policy needs, enabling judicious decision-making while focusing research on key questions."

See also the following linked article entitled: "The maddening, uncertain reality of sea-level rise".

http://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2016/12/16/13971720/sea-level-rise-uncertainty-climate
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« Reply #642 on: December 16, 2016, 08:40:02 PM »
Ever paper and website I can find about methane (CH₄) attribute rapid increases to something other than fossil fuels.


It should be noted that the recent isotopic studies involved that came to this conclusion (increased tropical wetland emissions since 2007) neglected to observe that there was a striking decline in the OH oxidation sink in the upper Troposphere, leading to a false signal of increased lower isotopic methane abundances.  There is likely more fossil fuel emissions than these recent studies are indicating.

That being said, fugitive methane leaks from improperly sealed legacy wells are a primary cause of aquifer contamination.  It should be noted that, on a 200-year timeline, the failure rate of ALL capped wells (even the most resilient) is 100%

however, I must ask that you move these posts to the (no offense meant!) :-)  'stupid questions' thread,  http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,143.0.html  or maybe the methane threads under 'science'  this post has nothing to do with sea level rise.

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« Reply #643 on: December 16, 2016, 10:31:14 PM »
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Thanks again. I'm worrying that this is getting a bit off-topic for this thread - only slightly because SLCF does contribute to sea-level rise through atmospheric warming and the dark snow effect. (But should this be in another thread?) You say
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I cannot answer your questions in an exact manner, but if you assume that Allen et. al. (2016) are telling decision makers that they can discount the importance of acting immediately on reducing anthropogenic SLCP emissions, then to me this is clearly an incorrect interpretation...
My impression is that Myles Allen and Ray Pierrehumbert have been downplaying the role of SLCF, particularly methane, for some time but it may not be obvious in this paper. Actually, I read it last week and it did make some things clearer to me. It is well written.

However, I have worried about their apparent leniency on methane for a few years now. See "Now CO2 is short lived, cows really are bad. (I'm a bit embarrassed by the title.) Here I quote Pierrehumbert as saying in  Losing time not buying time

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Suppose we are outrageously successful, and knock down anthropogenic methane emissions to zero, which would knock back atmospheric methane to a pre-industrial concentration of around 0.8 ppm… This gives us a one-time cooling of 0.4°C.
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… since methane responds within a decade to emissions reductions, we still get the full climate benefit of reducing methane even if the actions are deferred to 2040.
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Short-term measures that reduce 2020 emissions of potent but short-lived gases but commit to greater emissions of CO2 overall could actually be counterproductive.
Strictly this is correct. “Reduce methane emissions to go easy on carbon dioxide emissions” is dangerous but it has the worrying implication “Concentrate on carbon dioxide, go easy on methane” – a message that may have been transmitted to UK Government Departments. In a reply to me, David Mackay, then Chief Scientist at DECC, wrote “[there is the] competing argument from Myles Allen et. al. that methane has too ‘high’ a rating ”. Myles may have been technically correct in some sense but the wrong message may have been received by the policy makers.

In Cutting soot and methane distracts from 2C goal, says Oxford scientist, Carbon Brief reported

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Most countries are focusing on reducing CO2 and [methane and soot] at the same time. But a new policy paper by Myles Allen, professor of geosystem science at the Oxford Martin School at the University of Oxford, says that reducing [methane and soot] while CO2 emissions are still rising could make it more difficult to hit the 2C goal.


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« Reply #644 on: December 17, 2016, 01:15:32 AM »
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Thanks again. I'm worrying that this is getting a bit off-topic for this thread - only slightly because SLCF does contribute to sea-level rise through atmospheric warming and the dark snow effect. (But should this be in another thread?) You say

Geoff,

As jai started this threads and believes that we should stay focused on SLR instead of methane impacts, I recommend that we move the discussion to the thread entitled: "Methane leaks could negate climate benefits of US natural gas boom", as in my opinion Myles Allen is likely downplaying the impacts of methane in order to take pressure off the shale gas industry.

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,354.0.html

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« Reply #645 on: December 17, 2016, 03:52:33 PM »
Re: post on nov 27 by bligh8 referring to freddie mac april call

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"In the housing crisis, a significant share of borrowers continued to make their mortgage payments even though the values of their homes were less than the balances of their mortgages. It is less likely that borrowers will continue to make mortgage payments if their homes are literally underwater."

"Or, alternatively, will the value of the house—and all the houses around it—plunge the first time a lender refuses to make a mortgage on a nearby house or an insurer refuses to issue a homeowner's policy? Or will the trigger be one or two homeowners who decide to sell defensively?"

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Home prices behave just like any other item we purchase but we act as if this is not the case. And it is absolutely necessary that we treat this purchase differently than buying, say, a carton of milk. If we didn't the home real estate market would disappear instantly.

Both homes and milk are consumed but we treat homes as a capital investment and the informed consumer makes their decision based on expectations going out to their personal event horizon (How long do they expect to own their home and what will the value of this property be when I sell?) If milk futures are expected to drop dramatically, we're still going to buy that gallon of milk. Conversely, if milk prices are expected to rise dramatically, we won't likely go out and buy more milk than we need but this is exactly what we do for homes. People buy homes to consume and as an investment. It is the rare consumer of homes that makes their purchase by comparing the relative costs of renting or buying a comparable dwelling.

As soon as the investment potential declines or disappears for homes in a region, the demand and prices for these homes will plummet. When this happens, banks won't issue mortgages, insurance companies won't insure properties from loss and consumers won't buy them. So, how much is a home worth that you can't sell?

The answer is not as simple as it would seem. Certainly a perfectly fine dwelling, located in a nice neighborhood that will likely be abandoned within a decade is worth something. The answer is that this home is no longer an investment but its value is based on it being treated as a consumable. How much per month does it cost to live in this pretty nice house (Just look at those granite counter tops!) in an attractive neighborhood. Supply and demand will still determine the value of these homes but the value will be based on what it can be rented for and how long you expect to be able to rent it.

Do you want an accurate market assessment of the egregious impacts of AGW on regional housing markets? Do you want to anticipate what communities will be abandoned first? Follow the change in purchase/rent ratios. Individual consumers will make personal decisions based on their knowledge about a local market. If they expect home prices to stagnate or decline but still need (It's where they work.) or want (What a beautiful place to retire!) to live in the community they will choose to rent. In the aggregate, these individual decisions will be a highly predictive tool.

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« Reply #646 on: December 25, 2016, 11:33:35 PM »
"To be or not the be …" is not the only question; there is also: "How soon and how fast"?  I am concerned that if we do not properly address the later questions then the climate change impacts that society faces will be greater than then otherwise could be.

Soheil Shayegh, Juan Moreno-Cruz, Ken Caldeira. Adapting to rates versus amounts of climate change: a case of adaptation to sea-level rise. Environmental Research Letters, 2016; 11 (10): 104007 DOI: 10.1088/1748-9326/11/10/104007

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/10/104007/meta;jsessionid=2A4CF29FADA7A9B74E6A877ECE51DCEE.ip-10-40-1-105

Abstract: "Adaptation is the process of adjusting to climate change in order to moderate harm or exploit beneficial opportunities associated with it. Most adaptation strategies are designed to adjust to a new climate state. However, despite our best efforts to curtail greenhouse gas emissions, climate is likely to continue changing far into the future. Here, we show how considering rates of change affects the projected optimal adaptation strategy. We ground our discussion with an example of optimal investment in the face of continued sea-level rise, presenting a quantitative model that illustrates the interplay among physical and economic factors governing coastal development decisions such as rate of sea-level rise, land slope, discount rate, and depreciation rate. This model shows that the determination of optimal investment strategies depends on taking into account future rates of sea-level rise, as well as social and political constraints. This general approach also applies to the development of improved strategies to adapt to ongoing trends in temperature, precipitation, and other climate variables. Adaptation to some amount of change instead of adaptation to ongoing rates of change may produce inaccurate estimates of damages to the social systems and their ability to respond to external pressures."

See the associated article entitled: "How fast will we need to adapt to climate change?"

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161004113130.htm

Summary: "What would we do differently if sea level were to rise one foot per century versus one foot per decade? Until now, most policy and research has focused on adapting to specific amounts of climate change and not on how fast that climate change might happen. Using sea-level rise as a case study, researchers have developed a quantitative model that considers different rates of sea-level rise, in addition to economic factors, and shows how consideration of rates of change affect optimal adaptation strategies.


See also:
http://phys.org/news/2016-10-fast-climate.html

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« Reply #647 on: January 16, 2017, 07:36:55 PM »
Anyone know of a more RECENT reading on sea level rise than July 30, 2016?  I was looking for something near the end of 2016.



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« Reply #648 on: January 16, 2017, 07:55:45 PM »
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Here is a plot of the Jason-2 satellite SLR measurements to Oct 22 2016 per Aviso:

http://www.aviso.altimetry.fr/en/data/products/ocean-indicators-products/mean-sea-level/products-images.html

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