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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #400 on: August 12, 2019, 08:38:56 PM »
Warren's claim to native heritage may have helped her get into university, or get a good job, or get elected, but in the hands of Trump it dooms her candidacy.


I'ts a fatal error that will drive away Native Americans, and their supporters, and those with prejudice, and those who entered good Universities on their own merit, and those who were turned away from good Universities, and those who believe that politicians always cheat.


Is there any sector of America that approves of this?
Is there any chance that Trump won't mention this at every whistle stop?
Is there a reason that Republicans are keeping this powder dry during the Democratic primaries?


Once Trump dubbed her "Pocahontas" her chances of winning dropped to zero.
Once she took his challenge and the fatal DNA test she was cooked.
Trump isn't the brightest bulb on the tree, but when he sees a weakness he's like a bull terrier.


We need a new Great Democratic Hope, and this wannabe needs to retire before she gets herself nominated. This albatross she's wearing isn't going to fly away.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #401 on: August 12, 2019, 08:41:31 PM »
I disagree.

Kat, you already disagreed when i said he will drop in the polls. Well, he dropped in the polls.  8)
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #402 on: August 12, 2019, 08:48:23 PM »
When's the first state wide contest? Remember Jimmy Who?
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #403 on: August 12, 2019, 10:24:41 PM »
Biden can only get the nomination through massive media support and even more cheating. Terry nailed it about Warren. Only Sanders has a fighting chance, but I'm quite sure something is going to happen to prevent that from happening. That's what American elections are all about: Keep progressives out, protect the donors.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #404 on: August 12, 2019, 10:38:14 PM »
I'm still primarily for Bernie... he's the real thing.

But I think you dismiss Warren to readily. Even dignifying the ridiculous trumped up (literally) story about her slight indigenous heritage by mentioning it is falling into the most ridiculous of right wing tempest-out-of-a-teapot-ism. And pretending it would be somehow fatal if she alienated the Native American vote (barely 2% of the population), which she hasn't is really beyond ridiculous.

It sadly seems impossible to have discussions about these kinds of things without otherwise intelligent people just spouting utter idiocies.

And that's all I have to say about that. :)
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #405 on: August 12, 2019, 11:41:20 PM »
I disagree.

Kat, you already disagreed when i said he will drop in the polls. Well, he dropped in the polls.  8)

What drop?  He has hovering around 33% for the past month.  Unless you mean his drop from the high 30s, which was a euphoric bump after his announcement.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #406 on: August 13, 2019, 02:11:13 AM »
Steyer would declare environmental emergency on Day One of Presidency:
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #407 on: August 13, 2019, 02:34:18 AM »
I'd like to see a Warren / Gabbard  ticket !  If Warren could get through 8 years and Gabbard another 8 we might have women deciding which wars we would walk into or which might be avoided. We might even have enough time to get the Senate back. I would think any Dem candidate would choose a military former member for Vice. Tutsi would send shudders through the pentagon but somebody is going to tell them the sad truth about endless growth, and endless war.  Doesn't anyone remember 8 years of Bush 2 ?
It's like all the wars are over. Where are my damn rose colored glasses ?

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #408 on: August 13, 2019, 03:09:12 AM »
The oligarchs have acquired everything else in America, why not the pollsters as well?

The beauty of Iowa going first is that it's hard to cheat in a caucus. The DNC has cut back on caucuses in 2020 and is allowing virtual participation to count in Iowa for the first time.

The biggest crowds, volunteer base and the highest # of donors belong to Sanders.

If Warren tops him in Iowa and NH, Sanders will give her his full endorsement and drop out. Harris would also likely endorse Warren in order to maximize her own political future as a fellow supporter of Medicare For All.

I think Warren beats Trump while acknowledging she isn't as solid as Bernie in the Rust Belt states in a general election. Warren doesn't have Clinton like baggage and Trump has demonstrated that he's wacko.

Sanders is the kryptonite against Trump. Trump's faux anti-establishment rhetoric falls flat against the authentic populist. Bernie killed it on his Fox town hall and on Joe Rogan. He packs houses in W. Virginia, Kentucky and Kansas. He's the one Trump is wary of.

Sanders is the avatar for the average citizen getting ground down by concentrated wealth. The 1% is putting all their chips in to stop him.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #409 on: August 13, 2019, 03:20:08 AM »
I doubt she can beat Sanders in both, and may not top him in either.  Sanders did well in Iowa in 2016, and, as you say, the biggest crowds, donors, etc. belong to Sanders.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #410 on: August 13, 2019, 04:21:13 AM »
I'd like to see a Warren / Gabbard  ticket !  If Warren could get through 8 years and Gabbard another 8 we might have women deciding which wars we would walk into or which might be avoided. We might even have enough time to get the Senate back. I would think any Dem candidate would choose a military former member for Vice. Tutsi would send shudders through the pentagon but somebody is going to tell them the sad truth about endless growth, and endless war.  Doesn't anyone remember 8 years of Bush 2 ?
It's like all the wars are over. Where are my damn rose colored glasses ?


I'd support Tulsi in either position paired with anyone but Biden. A Biden candidacy would cause me to consider write the in candidates.


Where has sidd been hiding when we need his read of the Deplorables?

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #411 on: August 13, 2019, 05:13:10 PM »
Tulsi appears unlikely to qualify for the next debate. She needs at least 2% in four polls by August 28, but she only has one so far. She did post 3 and 5 percent in the last two New Hampshire polls, but neither were performed by qualifying organizations.

Warren was ahead of Sanders by 10+ points in the two most recent recent Iowa polls. She has been tied or ahead of Biden in 3 of the last 5.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #412 on: August 13, 2019, 06:09:00 PM »
I doubt she can beat Sanders in both, and may not top him in either.  Sanders did well in Iowa in 2016, and, as you say, the biggest crowds, donors, etc. belong to Sanders.

Oh, i like that tone, Kat. :)
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #413 on: August 13, 2019, 06:15:56 PM »
She needs at least 2% in four polls by August 28, but she only has one so far. She did post 3 and 5 per cent in the last two New Hampshire polls, but neither were performed by qualifying organizations.

Some nifty detail right there.

Only one of the many ways the DNC draws arbitrary lines in order to manipulate. With something like "qualifying organizations", you influence how the polls are conducted, where the polls are taking place and when, right?
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #414 on: August 13, 2019, 06:17:25 PM »
Where has sidd been hiding when we need his read of the Deplorables?

Hope he comes back soon.
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #415 on: August 13, 2019, 11:58:14 PM »
She needs at least 2% in four polls by August 28, but she only has one so far. She did post 3 and 5 per cent in the last two New Hampshire polls, but neither were performed by qualifying organizations.

Some nifty detail right there.

Only one of the many ways the DNC draws arbitrary lines in order to manipulate. With something like "qualifying organizations", you influence how the polls are conducted, where the polls are taking place and when, right?

In all fairness, Tulsi has no shot at the nomination. The DNC is definitely biased in favor of corporate Democrats and the debate moderation has been a shit show this far.

Qualifying for the Sept debate gets one into the Oct debate as well and there will be +/- 10 qualifiers. I'm hoping we get down to 5 or so for the November debate.

Beto, Booker, Klobuchar, Castro and Yang have no shot either. They've had 6 months to make their case and little traction.

We have to wait until at least November before we whittle down to the contenders.

Problem for the DNC is that 5 of the top 7 candidates support Medicare For All. They're going to have a hard time finessing things in a way that doesn't leave Biden on an island.


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #416 on: August 14, 2019, 02:00:20 AM »
The longer that Sanders, Warren, Harris, and Buttigieg remain in the race, the more likely than Biden will get the nomination.  I rarely agree with Rich, but I will agree with his last post.  Those candidates will pilfer from each other, leaving Biden alone at the top.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #417 on: August 14, 2019, 03:17:44 AM »
My forecast is that Mayor Pete and Kamala drop out after collecting zero delegates in Iowa. They have political futures and don't need the experience of collecting zero delegates in state after state.

If Warren beats Sanders decisively in Iowa, he'll drop out and endorse her in a heads up battle vs. Biden. Sanders values his agenda more than his candidacy. His agenda has a much better shot with Warren as POTUS vs. Biden.

Would Warren return the favor if the shoe is on the other foot? 50/50. She stayed on the sidelines side in 2016. If Warren trails Sanders and remains as a spoiler, she will become a villain in progressive circles.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #418 on: August 14, 2019, 03:26:10 AM »
On the 50 year GOP drift from Green to anti-Green:
https://www.thenation.com/article/republican-environmentalist-virtually-extinct/
no longer after votes, but special interests.

Meanwhile, frank Luntz goes from anti-Green to Green:
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/6/21/18700218/republicans-climate-change-carbon-tax-grover-norquist-frank-luntz
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #420 on: August 15, 2019, 07:39:13 PM »
Read the YouTube comments and you'll see the state of the nation.

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"A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in."

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Yo media/society has brainwashed me to believe Bernie was a just radical old nuthead. This hour and seven minutes completely changed my mind. I cannot believe how much I resonated with what he was saying!

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Mainstream media warped my views on this guy, I actually agree with most of his thoughts

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It’s crazy how mainstream media twists the images of people. I was completely mistaken about Bernie, I love his ideas & how rational they are. Definitely supporting him

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Never was a Bernie fan... I also never gave the time of day to listen to his message to this extent, I relied on mainstream media and headlines... My mind is now open.

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Left or right we can all agree that alternative long-form discussions like this are far superior to the sound bite factories in the mainstream media

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Was a pretty anti-Bernie conservative before this podcast, but I do agree a lot with some of the issues he’s talking about so imma do some more research on him

Watch the whole thing!

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #421 on: August 15, 2019, 08:56:40 PM »
Media Claims Bernie Is Just Like Trump For Comical Reason

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #422 on: August 16, 2019, 09:46:56 PM »
Warren & Sanders Top 2 State 2020 Democratic Primary Polls - Dem 2020 Presidential Polls August 2019

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #423 on: August 17, 2019, 04:23:59 PM »
She gets it. Listen to that woman!

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #424 on: August 17, 2019, 08:33:47 PM »
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/15082019/election-2020-agriculture-climate-change-solutions-candidate-positions-iowa
In Iowa, Candidates Are Talking About Farming's Climate Change Connections Like No Previous Election
About half the candidates have policy proposals or statements addressing climate change impacts on agriculture or farming's potential as a climate solution.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #425 on: August 18, 2019, 05:45:58 PM »
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #426 on: August 20, 2019, 05:14:21 PM »
Tulsi appears unlikely to qualify for the next debate. She needs at least 2% in four polls by August 28, but she only has one so far.
Tulsi Gabbard now has a pair of qualifying polls for the September & October debates, picking up 2% in the national CNN poll released today. The same poll also gave Julian Castro his fourth qualifying poll, meaning he has made the debate stage. Tom Steyer only received 1%, and still needs one more to qualify.

10 candidates have qualified as of now. It will be interesting to see if they decide to split the group up into two nights again.

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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #427 on: August 20, 2019, 06:53:46 PM »
Joe Biden's wife just admitted her husband is not so great really, but everyone should vote for him anyway.

Sums up his campaign very neatly!
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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #428 on: August 20, 2019, 08:41:54 PM »
Tulsi appears unlikely to qualify for the next debate. She needs at least 2% in four polls by August 28, but she only has one so far.
Tulsi Gabbard now has a pair of qualifying polls for the September & October debates, picking up 2% in the national CNN poll released today. The same poll also gave Julian Castro his fourth qualifying poll, meaning he has made the debate stage. Tom Steyer only received 1%, and still needs one more to qualify.

10 candidates have qualified as of now. It will be interesting to see if they decide to split the group up into two nights again.
And these polls need to be accredited by - - - You knew it, the polls need to be accredited by the DNC!


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Re: Who should be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020?
« Reply #429 on: August 20, 2019, 09:22:50 PM »
And these polls need to be accredited by - - - You knew it, the polls need to be accredited by the DNC!


It's a big club, and Tulsi ain't in it.
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To be fair, who else would decide the criteria for a debate held by the DNC?  Looking over the list I don't see anything inherently biased.

From NPR:

For context, and for those playing at home, the DNC-approved polls have to be associated with or conducted by the following: the Associated Press, ABC News, CBS News, CNN, The Des Moines Register, Fox News, Monmouth University, NBC News, The New York Times, NPR, Quinnipiac, the University of New Hampshire, The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, The Washington Post and Winthrop University.

Per the DNC: "Any candidate's four qualifying polls must be conducted by different organizations, or if by the same organization, must be in different geographical areas."