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AGW in general => Consequences => Topic started by: sidd on February 19, 2016, 06:19:22 AM

Title: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on February 19, 2016, 06:19:22 AM
I just read the post in the "Coal" thread of yet another coal company ducking out on pension, healthcare and cleanup, while rewarding those most responsible. Those will escape justice for the most part, but ought not to be forgotten. I nominate Don Blakenship as someone to keep track of. Feel free to add others.

Their victims ought not be forgotten either

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberfan_disaster

"Wo sind die Tränen von gestern abend?"

Someday, another Zinn will write a people's history of climate genocide.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: Neven on February 19, 2016, 09:32:38 AM
I just read the post in the "Coal" thread of yet another coal company ducking out on pension, healthcare and cleanup, while rewarding those most responsible. Those will escape justice for the most part, but ought not to be forgotten. I nominate Don Blakenship as someone to keep track of. Feel free to add others.

Their victims ought not be forgotten either

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberfan_disaster

"Wo sind die Tränen von gestern abend?"

Someday, another Zinn will write a people's history of climate genocide.

sidd

Sidd, what does the Spanish thread title refer to?
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: LRC1962 on February 19, 2016, 10:49:14 AM
Not to put words in his mouth, but could be referring to a poem by Jorge Manrique called The Coplas on the Death of His Father, the Grand-Master of Santiago
Stanza 16 in one translation reads
Of fair Don Juan the king that ruled us,—
    Of those hight heirs of Aragon,—
        What are the tidings?
Of him, whose courtly graces schooled us,
    Whom song and wisdom smiled upon,
        Where the abidings?
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: oren on February 19, 2016, 05:32:58 PM
Not to put words in his mouth, but could be referring to a poem by Jorge Manrique called The Coplas on the Death of His Father, the Grand-Master of Santiago
Stanza 16 in one translation reads
Of fair Don Juan the king that ruled us,—
    Of those hight heirs of Aragon,—
        What are the tidings?
Of him, whose courtly graces schooled us,
    Whom song and wisdom smiled upon,
        Where the abidings?

I believe that poem contains "qué se hizieron?"  ???
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: seaicesailor on February 19, 2016, 06:42:41 PM
The meaning in that poem is sort of "what was of that vanity and richness after years when all dead" it is a song to believe in spiritual and to avoid mundane vanities. May be related to these CO2 industry guys lost by their ambition nonsensical while they leave a trail of enduring pain for the planet?
So not sure if this applies :-/ But anyway it is a nice title :)
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: LRC1962 on February 19, 2016, 10:49:23 PM
Oren: If you google it, have seen it written both with an h and an f.
Added:
Apparently it is a song eulogizing his dead father. If you wish it to you could interpret it as eulogizing the way the leaders are treating their workers and that despite all the gains the leaders may get in the immediate, they in the end will still lose all.
If that is the point then he is asking to put a name to those who are leading us in the folly that we are currently going.
Case in point would be the Koch brothers who are using their power and money to push us in a direction that will continue to increase CO2 levels. When they are dead they will take nothing with them and future generations will hopefully tie their names directly to what they will have to put up with and try and fix at their (future generations) cost.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on February 20, 2016, 06:00:37 AM
you guys figured it out. Both the spanish and the german quote may be found in the wikipedia under "ubi sunt"

I intended the title to be read as "Where are they now?"

Where are these people now and where are their victims ?

Rex Tillerson and the people of Linden and Elizabeth NJ are my next nomination.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/opinion/chris-christies-exxon-settlement-is-bad-for-new-jersey.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/opinion/chris-christies-exxon-settlement-is-bad-for-new-jersey.html?_r=0)

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: LRC1962 on February 20, 2016, 09:34:04 AM
sidd: Today's translation would probably read as such. That translation which is counted as one of the best was done several hundred years ago.
As a Canadian, former Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Some have said personally responsible for killing more then one environmental international treaty, and main enabler for current development of the Alberta Tar Sands.  :-[ >:(
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on February 21, 2016, 11:02:52 PM
I give you John Watson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._Watson_(Chevron) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._Watson_(Chevron))

and the people of Ecuador

http://www.csrwire.com/press_releases/38590-In-2016-Chevron-Faces-Potential-Litigation-Catastrophe-Over-Ecuador-Pollution-Liability (http://www.csrwire.com/press_releases/38590-In-2016-Chevron-Faces-Potential-Litigation-Catastrophe-Over-Ecuador-Pollution-Liability)


Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on February 27, 2016, 03:01:32 AM

As a Canadian, former Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Some have said personally responsible for killing more then one environmental international treaty, and main enabler for current development of the Alberta Tar Sands.  :-[ >:(
PM Harper's killing of decades long studies re Climate Change, his demand that all Canadian climate studies respect his governments "intellectual" property rights, and therefore not disclose their results, his mockery of science by the appointment of PM Gary Goodyear, a Young Earth Christian as Science Minister, all assure that some of us will always place Harper near the top of any listing of those responsible for what the world is facing.
Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on February 27, 2016, 05:39:54 AM
I give you Robert H. Buker, Jr. CEO US Sugar.

http://www.ussugar.com/people/robert-h-buker-jr/ (http://www.ussugar.com/people/robert-h-buker-jr/)

and the entire Everglades ecosystem for the victims, humans grudgingly included

http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/us-sugar-plans-development-on-land-florida-wanted-for-everglades/2196332 (http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/us-sugar-plans-development-on-land-florida-wanted-for-everglades/2196332)

http://earthjustice.org/blog/2016-february/south-florida-s-tourist-season-from-hell# (http://earthjustice.org/blog/2016-february/south-florida-s-tourist-season-from-hell#)

this is inspired by the post by Sigmetnow on the "Places becoming less livable" thread

As a meta point, i think every time we name an entity as responsible, we ought to name the victims also, as a matter of respect and memory.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on March 04, 2016, 02:01:08 AM
I give you Shell and the Peoples of Nigeria

https://www.leighday.co.uk/News/2014/June-2014/London-High-Court-rules-that-Shell-Nigeria-could-b (https://www.leighday.co.uk/News/2014/June-2014/London-High-Court-rules-that-Shell-Nigeria-could-b)
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on March 22, 2016, 04:53:01 AM
I give you Howard Kuker and the people of Little Haiti (thanks to Sigmetnow from the "Places becoming less livable" thread )

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/03/taking-the-high-ground-and-developing-it/472326/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/03/taking-the-high-ground-and-developing-it/472326/)

Railway tracks and blight in Little Haiti.  Kick out the underclass trailers at 1500 bux a pop thru chinese shell companies, and i wonder about hot money fleeing china trying to stay ahead of the Ministry of Discipline auditors.

But, clearly, not the smallest piece of this green earth escapes avarice. And dear god, how small.

Seventeen acres. Thats a square of 1/3 mile edge. Elevation 10-38 feet. Thats less than the birch tree i planted couple three years shy of a decade ago.

Howard Kuker, in his own inimitable words, from the article:
--
Howard Kuker, the lawyer representing the new owners of Little Farm, says he sympathizes with the people who are being evicted, but claims the small sum of money they offered residents was “more than what was required.” He said that his clients hadn’t cited the elevation of their land as their prime motivation for purchasing it, and noted that the tract’s value lies in its size. “You’re talking about 17 acres of land,” he says. “You can make your own city there.”
--

I do wonder if his putative chinese clients, their government, or the rising tide will get him first ...

sidd


Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on April 06, 2016, 10:31:15 PM
The people of West Virginia and Don Blakenship.

http://bigstory.ap.org/1a5a91e3e4024062b806272d85008768 (http://bigstory.ap.org/1a5a91e3e4024062b806272d85008768)

"Former coal executive Don Blankenship has been sentenced to one year in prison and fined $250,000 for conspiracy to violate mine safety standards in the deadliest U.S. mine explosion in four decades"

29 dead men costs you a year in club fed and some pocket change. 
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on May 04, 2016, 10:26:28 PM
The USA and the people of the Marshall islands.

" ... the Marshall Islands signed a compact of free association with the US, granting its people certain privileges, but not full citizenship.

The deal also settled of “all claims, past, present and future” related to the US Nuclear Testing Program ...

the US government insists that it has honoured all its obligations, and that the jurisdiction for the dome and its toxic contents lies with the Marshall Islands.

...

Traditional livelihoods were destroyed by the testing: the US Department of Energy bans the export of fish and copra – dried coconut flesh used for its oil – on the grounds of lingering contamination.

...

Are you going to put a sign up so that the birds and turtles also understand?"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/03/runit-dome-pacific-radioactive-waste (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/03/runit-dome-pacific-radioactive-waste)

As pointed out already by Thucydides, the strong do as they will, the weak suffer what they must. The real obscenity is that the dome contains only a very small fraction of the contamination, and no effort was made to clean or contain the rest.

sidd



Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: Sigmetnow on May 30, 2016, 08:58:31 PM
Great Barrier Reef: who's profiting from the destruction and devastation?
The coal industry, but also “the carbon lobby’s hired help”; banks; newspapers....
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/may/18/great-barrier-reef-whos-profiting-from-the-destruction-and-devastation (http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/may/18/great-barrier-reef-whos-profiting-from-the-destruction-and-devastation)
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on May 31, 2016, 05:35:41 AM
should have posted this here :

"Fossil fuels require sacrifice zones"

Strong polemic from Klein:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n11/naomi-klein/let-them-drown (http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n11/naomi-klein/let-them-drown)
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on May 31, 2016, 08:01:26 AM
Great Barrier Reef: who's profiting from the destruction and devastation?
Great Barren Reef doomer porn tourist agents?
Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on July 04, 2016, 07:51:33 AM
For the people of Indonesia, two films called "The Act of Killing" and "The Look of Silence" by Joshua Oppenheimer.

http://www.pbs.org/pov/thelookofsilence/filmmaker-statement/ (http://www.pbs.org/pov/thelookofsilence/filmmaker-statement/)

" ... a poem about a silence borne of terror — a poem not only about the necessity of breaking that silence, but also about the trauma that comes when silence is broken. "

Watch 'em both, and steel your stomach first.
 
Thank you Dr. Oppenheimer.

A connection to global warming ? Here is an article from the filmmaker.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/03/genocide-indonesia-human-rights-abuse-climate-change-palm-oil (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/03/genocide-indonesia-human-rights-abuse-climate-change-palm-oil)

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on July 07, 2016, 05:41:46 AM
In remembrance of the people of Iraq maimed, tortured and killed in a war of choice abetted by a sycophantic satrap, the Chilcot Report:

http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/ (http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/)

Chilcot cannot, of course, step too far over the line. Macaulay's exoneration of Clive, followed by indictment of Hastings did it better.  The executive summary recalls Pope:

"Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer,
And without sneering, teach the rest to sneer."

The full text is much harsher and  I have not yet read the whole thing, just some sections. Blair is revealed enthusiastically fellating Bush the lesser in pursuit of  pointless war,  brutal occupation and catastrophic result. Dearlove emerges as the sole voice warning that "the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy" in DC. I think he was also instrumental in toning down the JIC reports, which apparently were far more circumspect that Blair made them out to be, both to the Cabinet and the public. Goldsmith is shown to be a lawyer of the worst kind, and the Cabinet and military don't cover themseves with glory either.

Not as hard to read as the  US Senate torture report or the Taguba report, but quite disgusting. But the least I can do is read it, and remember. I owe it to the people of Iraq, some of my tax dollars are still killing them. And others.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: johnm33 on July 07, 2016, 05:00:01 PM
More damning from Peter Oborne "not the chilcot report"
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/not-chilcot-report/ (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/not-chilcot-report/)
the truth about Chilcot "Do not expect a full truth and a full accounting from the Chilcot panel of establishment trusties today. Remember who they are" https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/07/the-truth-about-chilcot/ (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/07/the-truth-about-chilcot/)
Generally Craig Murray brings an insiders knowledge to bear on the operation of the UK state, and I take him for an honest man.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: bligh8 on July 11, 2016, 02:44:38 PM

The people most directly responsible for high concentration of environmental lead in the USA  were Thomas Midgley Jr, Charles Kettering and Charles Allen Thomas. GM and Esso(Exxon) formed the Ethyl Corp. Their gasoline additive Tatraethyllead contained lead, exposing a entire generation of chirlden living in the US to dangerous levels of lead.
http://www1.amherst.edu/~jwreyes/papers/LeadBehavior.pdf (http://www1.amherst.edu/~jwreyes/papers/LeadBehavior.pdf)

“Tetraethyllead has been recognized as a contributor to soil, air and water lead pollution, and is toxic to humans. While leaded gasoline made engines more efficient, lead pollution has increased by over 625 times previous levels in the past century due partly to pollution by leaded fuel. Ethyl Corporation historically denied that tetraethyllead poses significant public health risks in excess of those associated with gasoline itself.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethyl_Corporation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethyl_Corporation)

There is something eerily familiar about the efforts of the petroleum industries denial and resistance to scientific evidence that demonstrated just how dangerous lead additives were/are to the public’s health.

Special timeline: Leaded gasoline
http://66.147.244.135/~enviror4/about/ethyl-leaded-gasoline/lead-history-timeline/ (http://66.147.244.135/~enviror4/about/ethyl-leaded-gasoline/lead-history-timeline/)

1829 —   Description of lead poisoning by an anonymous Roman hermit  translated by Humelbergius Secundus, 1829 (Lewis, 1985).
“Hence gout and stone afflict the human race;
Hence lazy jaundice with her saffron face;
Palsy, with shaking head and tott’ring knees.
And bloated dropsy, the staunch sot’s disease;
Consumption, pale, with keen but hollow eye,
And sharpened feature, shew’d that death was nigh.
The feeble offspring curse their crazy sires,
And, tainted from his birth, the youth expires.”
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on July 16, 2016, 06:29:52 AM
Fanjul. Mott. Bush. Scott. Remember these names and all the live things in the Everglades and the coasts of Floriday. Including, I suppose the people.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/article88992067.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/article88992067.html)

Dear God, must we also poison the Everglades before we drown it ?

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on August 02, 2016, 08:40:00 PM
Duke Energy, Randall Williams and the poisoned people of North Carolina.

"North Carolina's top public health official acted unethically and possibly illegally by telling residents living near Duke Energy coal ash pits that their well water is safe to drink when it's contaminated with a chemical known to cause cancer ..."

" Williams signed the letters reversing the decision himself, after another public health official in Rudo's department refused on ethical grounds ... "

http://phys.org/news/2016-08-nc-toxicologist-duke-dumps-safe.html (http://phys.org/news/2016-08-nc-toxicologist-duke-dumps-safe.html)

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on November 25, 2016, 10:44:11 PM
Gregory Pilcher. Robert Wohleber. Luke Corbett. Chris Watson. These men profited from poisoning thousands of people and animals and trees. Remember their names and their victims.

The EPA went after the whistleblower.

"In fact, many of them did better than that, not only avoiding serious consequences for their fraud but actually profiting handsomely from it. Kerr-McGee general counsel Gregory F. Pilcher, for instance, made $9 million off the reorganization, which was clearly designed to avoid the costs of cleaning up the contamination caused by the company. Kerr-McGee senior vice president Robert Wohleber made more than $20 million on the deal. And former Kerr-McGee chairman Luke Corbett walked away with $200 million. In all, Kerr-McGee received $761.8 million in transferred stock in the spinoff process.

All seem to have weathered what turned out to be a brief storm rather well. Corbett is now the lead independent director of OGE Energy. Wohleber went on to become the director of the Summit Midstream energy company, after directing his secretary to destroy all of his documents related to the Tronox spinoff (and having that secretary dutifully carry out his instructions and wipe his computer clean of all emails and files), according to court documents. Chris Watson, the Lehman Brothers executive who helped come up with the whole scheme, went on to become a managing director for Barclays."

Read and weep.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/25/did-the-epa-prosecute-and-jail-a-mississippi-lab-owner-because-of-her-activism/

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on November 26, 2016, 01:38:12 AM
Sidd
I at one time owned a liquid waste disposal company and I can assure you that in California and Nevada much worse crimes were being committed as far back as the early 70's.


Until ~1990 Clark County (Las Vegas) authorised dumping of liquid waste of all types near a WW2 machine gun range that has since seen large residential development. The waste was simply spread on the desert to dry or to run off as groundwater. This waste included industrial sludge, old fuel from Nellis AFB and residential septic tank liquids.


California was worse, but generally not authorised.


Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on December 29, 2016, 09:58:19 PM
Eric Conn. Tom Coburn. And those in the sacrifice zones of the USA.

http://hosted2.ap.org/OHCOL/8ef5320729ce4298abefc1903704c7d5/Article_2016-12-29-US--Disability%20and%20Desperation/id-b75f68efb82049a58ae88cda1ef8abca (http://hosted2.ap.org/OHCOL/8ef5320729ce4298abefc1903704c7d5/Article_2016-12-29-US--Disability%20and%20Desperation/id-b75f68efb82049a58ae88cda1ef8abca)

"Conn racked in more than $20 million in fees."

"The Social Security Administration ... gave them [clients of Eric Conn] 10 days to collect their medical records from years before and prove once again they had been disabled."

"They can't go back to original files they handed over to their lawyer. Conn is alleged to have destroyed millions of pages of documents. "

"Melissa Jude ...  pulled over to the side of the road and shot herself in the head."

Coburn: "...life isn't fair."

David Autor: "Disability is a social construct; it's how much we want you to be suffering before you shouldn't have to work."

"She trained herself to hate this house she had loved so much. She will not weep when the bank comes to take it away."

Read the whole thing.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: Neven on January 19, 2017, 11:38:42 AM
Jimmy Dore has a list:

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAqDPfj8B8#)
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on January 19, 2017, 08:52:36 PM
I have been watching Cory Booker for a decade now, he has belied my hopes. Looking at the pharma donations to him and his ilk, what suprises and saddens most is not so much that he has been bought, but that he has been bought so cheaply.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on January 20, 2017, 12:23:58 AM
Appeal denied. For one lousy year in jail and a quarter million fine. The guy should've been sentenced to life.

https://www.apnews.com/aae7ad3c12084487a6f0c5844eb8a9d6 (https://www.apnews.com/aae7ad3c12084487a6f0c5844eb8a9d6)
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: budmantis on January 20, 2017, 07:16:56 AM
Appeal denied. For one lousy year in jail and a quarter million fine. The guy should've been sentenced to life.

https://www.apnews.com/aae7ad3c12084487a6f0c5844eb8a9d6 (https://www.apnews.com/aae7ad3c12084487a6f0c5844eb8a9d6)

Outrageous.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: solartim27 on January 20, 2017, 07:39:04 AM
Well, losing the appeal is a good thing at least.  Here's the previous coverage on blankenship on the coal thread.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/12/03/3727963/blankenship-found-guilty/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/12/03/3727963/blankenship-found-guilty/)
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on February 04, 2017, 06:59:03 AM
Remember Paul Wheeler. Remember Johns Hopkins. Remember, most of all, his victims denied insurance coverage for black lung. I knew one who died couple years ago.

These doctors and a famous institution were paid millions to deny coal miners medical benefits.

"Dr. Paul Wheeler, who headed the Johns Hopkins unit, has retired, Matthews said. Wheeler did not find a single case of severe black lung in the more than 1,500 cases decided since 2000 ... "

"Last year, the Department of Labor told approximately 1,100 coal miners that their black lung benefit claims may have been wrongly denied ..."

http://portside.org/2015-10-03/johns-hopkins-medicine-terminates-compromised-black-lung-program (http://portside.org/2015-10-03/johns-hopkins-medicine-terminates-compromised-black-lung-program)


sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on April 11, 2017, 06:57:18 AM
Back to slavery.

"West African migrants are being bought and sold openly in modern-day slave markets in Libya ..."

"After his sale, the Senegalese migrant was taken to a makeshift prison of a kind that has been well documented in Libya. Those held inside are forced to work without pay, or on meagre rations, and their captors regularly call family at home demanding a ransom."

"Men who lingered there too long without the ransom being paid were taken away and killed ..."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auctions-un-migration (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auctions-un-migration)

Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton. Susan Price. Samantha Power. Stephen Harper. Nicolas Sarkozy. David Cameron. Silvio Berloscuni ...

Remember those names. They made this market.

sidd

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on April 11, 2017, 01:25:50 PM
Back to slavery.

"West African migrants are being bought and sold openly in modern-day slave markets in Libya ..."

"After his sale, the Senegalese migrant was taken to a makeshift prison of a kind that has been well documented in Libya. Those held inside are forced to work without pay, or on meagre rations, and their captors regularly call family at home demanding a ransom."

"Men who lingered there too long without the ransom being paid were taken away and killed ..."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auctions-un-migration (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auctions-un-migration)

Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton. Susan Price. Samantha Power. Stephen Harper. Nicolas Sarkozy. David Cameron. Silvio Berloscuni ...

Remember those names. They made this market.

sidd


We came. We saw. He died... Ha - Ha - Ha
What a lovely, compassionate woman. I know!  We'll all dress up like pussy and protest ... Putin - That Animal

Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on April 15, 2017, 09:25:55 AM
Remember the people of Mississippi.

https://thinkprogress.org/mississippi-reject-welfare-applicants-57701ca3fb13

How do you steel your heart to reject 98.58% of all that apply for help. That help is the princely amount of a maximum of $170 a month for a family of three, or let us say, generously, $60 a month per person.

11,717 applied. 167 were approved.  If you gave all 11,170 of them the maximum it would be 25 million a year.  Couch change for a nation that spends more per day bombing foreign lands.

sidd

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on April 17, 2017, 01:10:55 AM
Remember Gina Haspell. And those she tortured like Abu Zubadayah, who turned out to have nothing to do with Al Quaeda. For her services, she has ascended the post of new deputy rectal feeder of the USA.

https://www.propublica.org/article/cia-cables-detail-its-new-deputy-directors-role-in-torture (https://www.propublica.org/article/cia-cables-detail-its-new-deputy-directors-role-in-torture)

The article links to the Senate torture report, if you can stand to read it. No names in the Senate report, but heres some more to go with Gina Haspell. Alfreda Bikowski, Jose Rodriguez, James Mitchell, Bruce Jessen, all sheltered and nurtured by the Peace Caesar. And guess what, if you pay taxes to the USA, you are paying for the legal defense for the last two.

sidd


Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on April 18, 2017, 05:42:03 PM
Remember Gina Haspell. And those she tortured like Abu Zubadayah, who turned out to have nothing to do with Al Quaeda. For her services, she has ascended the post of new deputy rectal feeder of the USA.

https://www.propublica.org/article/cia-cables-detail-its-new-deputy-directors-role-in-torture (https://www.propublica.org/article/cia-cables-detail-its-new-deputy-directors-role-in-torture)

The article links to the Senate torture report, if you can stand to read it. No names in the Senate report, but heres some more to go with Gina Haspell. Alfreda Bikowski, Jose Rodriguez, James Mitchell, Bruce Jessen, all sheltered and nurtured by the Peace Caesar. And guess what, if you pay taxes to the USA, you are paying for the legal defense for the last two.

sidd


That's a horrendous link.


BUT


You just don't get it !!!


The only approved way of attacking our Orange Overlord is to incessantly repeat that he is Putin's Poodle.
He may attack Syria, drop the MOAB on Afghan caves, and drive the Pacific fleet onto Korean beaches, but we know that it's all part of Putin's Plan. These are just distractions to divert our attention from Putin's Pernicious Plans that Threaten the Free World, well, at least Our World.


People won't pay attention to Trump's Torturers, Trump's Anthracite Advocacy, or Trumps Evisceration of the EPA. To weaken Trump we must first call attention to PROOF that Putin Swung the Swing States, the FACT that Hillary actually won, and the CERTAINTY that Putin Controls the Entire Electoral College !!!


We care about the environment, climate change, and even auto mileage. To address these important issues we must first assure American voters that Putin Stole Your Last Election. Otherwise they'll ignore our plea for clean air. If we want Trump to change his position on coal, first he needs to know that we know that Putin is Really in Charge. If we don't want him to advance the career of torturers, then he must Repudiate Russia.


All these things are important, and once we're assured that Every One Knows That Putin is Evil, we'll attend to them.


I'm saddened that you are so easily distracted.
Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on May 27, 2017, 07:57:40 AM
Brezenski is dead. I tip a glass to his victims.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/exporting-revolution-zbigniew-brzezinski-on-trial-at-the-un-general-assembly/210126/ (http://www.mintpressnews.com/exporting-revolution-zbigniew-brzezinski-on-trial-at-the-un-general-assembly/210126/)

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on May 27, 2017, 09:03:00 PM
Brezenski is dead. I tip a glass to his victims.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/exporting-revolution-zbigniew-brzezinski-on-trial-at-the-un-general-assembly/210126/ (http://www.mintpressnews.com/exporting-revolution-zbigniew-brzezinski-on-trial-at-the-un-general-assembly/210126/)

sidd


An excellent must read article marking the passing of one of a handful of the truly monstrous people that exerted power during the last 50 years. Hopefully a stake isn't needed with modern embalming methods.
His MO may be noted when following current events in Washington. These are the tactics that brought many anti-western leaders to their knees, it will be interesting to see whether they bring down an American president.
 Soros and Murdoch are 86. Brzezinski was 89, and Kissinger is 94. Horrid to contemplate that all will almost certainly die peacefully. I wish I could believe in an afterlife.

Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on June 30, 2017, 07:23:24 AM
On the 29th of December last year, just before another cheerless New Year's Eve I posted about the people of Kentucky and a fraudster called Eric Conn.

Well, guess what. He flew the coop. As fark puts it:

"You know, on second thought, maybe it WASN'T such a hot idea to give bail to a guy accused of scamming the government out of $600 million, who spoke several languages, had crossed the border 140 times in six years, and swore he'd never go to jail"

http://www.fark.com/comments/9640481/You-know-on-second-thought-maybe-it-WASNT-such-a-hot-idea-to-give-bail-to-a-guy-accused-of-scamming-government-out-of- (http://www.fark.com/comments/9640481/You-know-on-second-thought-maybe-it-WASNT-such-a-hot-idea-to-give-bail-to-a-guy-accused-of-scamming-government-out-of-)$600-million-who-spoke-several-languages-had-crossed-border-140-times-in-six-years-swore-hed-never-go-to-jail

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fugitive-lawyer-says-hes-fled-us-using-fake-011858216.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/fugitive-lawyer-says-hes-fled-us-using-fake-011858216.html)

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: rboyd on June 30, 2017, 11:06:00 PM
Sarkozy, Cameron, Obama, Clinton for the destruction of Libya, once the richest country in Africa and where many refugees went to find a place to live (rather than Europe). Did not constitute any kind of threat to those countries or NATO, and had actually made significant changes to reduce tensions.

Now its a refuge for the Islamic State, competing warlords, and has cities that have been destroyed just as much as Aleppo.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/07/08/obama-libya-smart-power-qaddafi-476093.html (http://www.newsweek.com/2016/07/08/obama-libya-smart-power-qaddafi-476093.html)

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2016/12/29/Utter-destruction-not-in-Aleppo-it-s-in-Libya-s-Sirte.html (http://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2016/12/29/Utter-destruction-not-in-Aleppo-it-s-in-Libya-s-Sirte.html)

http://www.alternet.org/world/us-nato-invasion-libya-destroyed-country-beyond-all-recognition (http://www.alternet.org/world/us-nato-invasion-libya-destroyed-country-beyond-all-recognition)


Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on July 01, 2017, 09:33:04 PM
I travelled through the Badlands recently, spent some time with the Lakota on the "reservation" (that word turns to bile in my mouth.)  Unemployment there is 90%.

Then I visited Wounded Knee.

There is a quote from Thomas Jefferson, "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever." If there is a place that cries out for justice, it is Wounded Knee.

That place reeks of evil. Not only for the massacre, but for the present, naked degradation of the Lakota, a once proud nation.

The graves are unkept and overgrown. The guy running a "museum" there was recently busted for running drugs out of it.  His little daughter was begging from tourists in the parking lot. An Ogallala police officer (they run their own government) showed up and was questioning the rest of his family, who were panhandling as well.

While I was standing, dumbstruck, at the gravesites, something happened to give me hope. A small procession appeared in the dust and wound its way up the hill. They were the descendants of those killed, and they often march there to pray. They do remember. So should we.

My heart was too full to join them. I left them to their prayers.

sidd

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: johnm33 on July 02, 2017, 01:17:23 AM
Home of the brave land of the free. Once was.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on August 11, 2017, 11:34:54 PM
Faces of evil: Mitchell and Jessen are two of the principal architects of the torture program. If you pay taxes to the government of the USA you already paid these guys 80 million and at this very moment you are paying for their defense. Remember them, who empowered them and who refused to prosecute them criminally. This is a civil lawsuit unfortunately, and these guys will never serve a day in a US prison. But who knows, mebbe they will get careless and find themselves in a less corrupt legal jurisdiction.

watch the video if you have the stomach.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/20/us/cia-torture.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/20/us/cia-torture.html)


sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on August 18, 2017, 07:08:01 AM
Lawsuit settled. I paid for their employment, their legal defence and now i pay for the "undisclosed settlement."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/cia-torture-lawsuit-settled-against-psychologists-who-designed-techniques (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/cia-torture-lawsuit-settled-against-psychologists-who-designed-techniques)

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: ghoti on August 18, 2017, 03:39:18 PM
And now "you've" elected a congress and president that favour torture again.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on August 19, 2017, 06:17:47 AM
Re: And now "you've" elected a congress and president that favour torture again.

Agreed. For too long i ignored most politics, half-heartedly supported or opposed local politicians, thought i could work around what was going on in the political sphere. I accept blame.

sidd

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on October 12, 2017, 10:26:33 PM
Let them starve, and keep them caged until they die. The USA is a post justice country now. No need for trials, evidence or any of that frippery. Forever prisoners of a forever war.

https://www.reprieve.org.uk/press/guantanamo-inmates-starving-amid-new-medical-rules/ (https://www.reprieve.org.uk/press/guantanamo-inmates-starving-amid-new-medical-rules/)

sidd


Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on October 13, 2017, 06:19:10 AM
Let them starve, and keep them caged until they die. The USA is a post justice country now. No need for trials, evidence or any of that frippery. Forever prisoners of a forever war.

https://www.reprieve.org.uk/press/guantanamo-inmates-starving-amid-new-medical-rules/ (https://www.reprieve.org.uk/press/guantanamo-inmates-starving-amid-new-medical-rules/)

sidd


Those imprisoned at the "secret" prisons will probably never walk among us. It would be nice to know what becomes of the guards, where will they go and what jobs will they take when the army is done with them?


Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on October 13, 2017, 06:57:23 AM
"It would be nice to know what becomes of the guards, where will they go and what jobs will they take when the army is done with them?"

O my. does anyone not know the provenance of torture ? This did not arise ex nihilo. A lot of the national guard units at abu ghraib were prison jailers at home. These guys were brutalizing prisoners in the USA long before they were given leave work out the CIA's worst fantasies on Iraqis.

For example:

"As of this past summer, the prison administration estimated that of about 700 prison employees, twenty-nine staff, twenty-six of whom were guards, were currently on active duty. Another thirty-seven had been activated at some point since 2001 but had since returned to the prison.

https://www.thenation.com/article/seeds-abu-ghraib/ (https://www.thenation.com/article/seeds-abu-ghraib/)

Another one is terrorizing people on the streets of NYC:

http://gothamist.com/2015/09/23/abu_ghraib_cop_lombardo.php (http://gothamist.com/2015/09/23/abu_ghraib_cop_lombardo.php)

These scum do walk among us. The Taguba report names some.

www.npr.org/iraq/2004/prison_abuse_report.pdf (http://www.npr.org/iraq/2004/prison_abuse_report.pdf)

He lost his job, a Major General, no less for that one. Since then he has accused the Bush admin of war crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Taguba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Taguba)

And who can forget Professor Yoo at Berkeley.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo)

These creatures (forgive me, I cannot call them men or women) do walk among us. I hope I never meet any of them, I might throw up.

sidd

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on October 13, 2017, 07:29:25 AM
Jesus H. Christ


Peter Arnett must be furious. I wasn't aware of his daughter's connection with Yoo.


You're right about some monsters.
Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: bligh8 on October 19, 2017, 04:54:32 PM


The Opioid crisis

The following is select quotes from within the article.

In April 2016, at the height of the deadliest drug epidemic in U.S. history, Congress effectively stripped the Drug Enforcement Administration of its most potent weapon against large drug companies suspected of spilling prescription narcotics onto the nation’s streets.
By then, the opioid war had claimed 200,000 lives, more than three times the number of U.S. military deaths in the Vietnam War.
The chief advocate of the law that hobbled the DEA was Rep. Tom Marino, a Pennsylvania Republican. It passed after Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) negotiated a final version with the DEA.
The new law makes it virtually impossible for the DEA to freeze suspicious narcotic shipments from the companies, according to internal agency and Justice Department documents and an independent assessment by the DEA’s chief administrative law judge in a soon-to-be-published law review article. That powerful tool had allowed the agency to immediately prevent drugs from reaching the street.
Political action committees representing the industry contributed at least $1.5 million to the 23 lawmakers who sponsored or co-sponsored four versions of the bill, including nearly $100,000 to Marino and $177,000 to Hatch. Overall, the drug industry spent $102 million lobbying Congress on the bill and other legislation between 2014 and 2016, according to lobbying reports.
Besides the sponsors and co-sponsors of the bill, few lawmakers knew the true impact the law would have. It sailed through Congress and was passed by unanimous consent, a parliamentary procedure reserved for bills considered to be noncontroversial. The White House was equally unaware of the bill’s import when President Barack Obama signed it into law, according to interviews with former senior administration officials.


In 2017, Hatch was one of 22 senators to sign a letter[92] to President Donald Trump urging the President to have the United States withdraw from the Paris Agreement. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Hatch has received over $470,000 from oil, gas and coal interests since 2012….  source wiki

Marino was nominee for Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy.[1] He withdrew on October 17, 2017 following reports that he was the chief architect behind a bill that protected opioid manufacturers and crippled the DEA's ability to combat the opioid epidemic  .. source wiki

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/investigations/dea-drug-industry-congress/?utm_term=.dfb39c6126c9
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on October 19, 2017, 06:29:00 PM
As i posted in another thread, the Sackler family is one of the prime movers here.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12775932/sackler-family-oxycontin/

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on October 19, 2017, 06:45:45 PM
DuPont and C-8 poisoning:

"Our calculation shows that even if DuPont managers could have forecasted all future legal liabilities, they would have preferred to pollute as long as they thought that the probability of getting caught was less than 19%. Given the extreme set of unlikely events that led to the payment of heavy legal fines, and given the fact that other C8 users (like 3M) have escaped such heavy legal liability, we conclude that at that time polluting without abating was a reasonable bet by DuPont’s decision makers. Thus, it was value-maximizing for DuPont to pollute..."

https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2017/10/17/is-pollution-value-maximizing/#more-102189

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on October 26, 2017, 09:34:19 AM
Straight outta Kafka.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/10/24/judge-orders-3-uss-cole-defense-lawyers-guantanamo-they-quit.html

Guantanamo defense lawyers quit due to breach of privilege of attorney client communication.
--
"They cited a cascading ethical conflict over a lack of confidence in the confidentiality of their privileged conversations with Abd al Rahim al-Nashiri at Guantanamo, but the details are classified."
--

Judge won't let them.

--
"But the case judge, Air Force Col. Vance Spath, wrote in an Oct. 16 order that, while Baker "purported to find good cause" to approve their leaving the case, Spath, as judge, has not. "Accordingly, Mr. Kammen, Ms. Eliades, and Ms. Spears remain counsel of record in this case, and are ordered to appear at the next scheduled hearing," Spath wrote."

...

" You've got attorneys saying, 'I believe I've been released.' You've got the chief defense attorney saying, 'I have released them.' You've got a judge saying, 'I don't believe it works that way.' Who decides?"
--

Kangaroo courts and show trials.

sidd

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on November 15, 2017, 07:47:40 AM
Work the poor old folk till they die. After stealing all their money first.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/many-older-americans-are-living-a-desperate-nomadic-life-2017-11-06

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on December 05, 2017, 07:23:12 AM
I have posted about Conn, the social security scammer, He's just been caught in hondura.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fugitive-550m-social-security-fraudster-lawyer-caught-honduras-n826501

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on January 20, 2018, 07:20:28 AM
Some people still want to do the right thing.

--
“It turned out I knew two of the three Aero principals well,” Caison said during a tour around the airport the day before the commission’s hearings convened. “These were prominent, well-respected business people in our community. Their children and mine were schoolmates. I baked their gingerbread houses for Christmas.”
--

Gee, they don't look like torturers.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/17/cia-rendition-flights-north-carolina-citizens-commission

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on January 20, 2018, 08:20:00 AM
Thanks sidd


She is either very brave or very stupid, and I have no doubt that she's as sharp as a tack.


At some point we need something like a truth and reconciliation commission. This can't be done until Gitmo and the decades of sanctioned torture have ended.
Prosecuting the guilty would cripple the country. The Nuremberg trials did nothing but prove that the victors were as unforgiving as the vanquished.


Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on January 20, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
C. S. Lewis, a keen and pitiless observer of the human condition, had this to say:

--
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices.
--

This is from his preface to the Screwtape letters. There is a wonderful reading of the book by Michael Palin on youtube.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on January 25, 2018, 12:55:02 AM
This shocks the conscience, or at least my conscience. 22k+6k fake convictions coming out of one corrupt lab, aided and abetted by prosecutors and law enforcement over many years. This is about as far away from a justice system as you can get.

read all about it:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/did-falsified-drug-tests-lead-to-wrongful-convictions-w514801

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: Daniel B. on January 25, 2018, 02:42:13 AM
C. S. Lewis, a keen and pitiless observer of the human condition, had this to say:

--
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices.
--

This is from his preface to the Screwtape letters. There is a wonderful reading of the book by Michael Palin on youtube.

sidd

Ah, yes.  One of my favorite quotes from one of my favorite books.  Excellent and thought-provoking.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on January 25, 2018, 03:45:38 PM
This shocks the conscience, or at least my conscience. 22k+6k fake convictions coming out of one corrupt lab, aided and abetted by prosecutors and law enforcement over many years. This is about as far away from a justice system as you can get.

read all about it:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/did-falsified-drug-tests-lead-to-wrongful-convictions-w514801 (https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/did-falsified-drug-tests-lead-to-wrongful-convictions-w514801)

sidd




What makes this newsworthy is that the prosecutors were found guilty of their crimes.
Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on January 26, 2018, 09:10:49 PM
How many dead ? How many more ? St. Clair and Cockburn on the bloody history of the CIA:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/26/meet-the-cia-guns-drugs-and-money/


sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on January 27, 2018, 08:52:52 PM
My tax dollars at work. 4 year old. No face. No stomach. No left arm. Blind.

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/27/a-4-year-old-girl-was-the-sole-survivor-of-a-u-s-drone-strike-in-afghanistan-then-she-disappeared/

Gee, they looked like terrorists.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on January 28, 2018, 11:18:32 PM
Take the money. Screw the kids.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/01/27/ecot-j27.html
http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180128/closing-of-ecot-halts-state-collection-of-536-million-school-owes

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on January 29, 2018, 07:45:08 AM
Not content with their license to steal, they cheat their benefactor! The lessons the kids must be learning.
Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on February 22, 2018, 09:41:47 PM
In this strange and terrible land of the free and home of the brave torturers are not subject to criminal lawsuits. Only civil ones. But the tortured might extract some money. So mebbe they'll get a bone to gnaw as they reflect on the benevolence of Empire.

A slaveowner and Founding Father once said: "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever." Apparently his justice has been taking a long nap.
 
https://shadowproof.com/2018/02/21/judge-iraqis-sufficiently-allege-torture-military-contractor-may-proceed-lawsuit/

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on February 23, 2018, 10:39:32 PM
From another forgotten war, forgotten biowarfare:

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: gerontocrat on February 23, 2018, 10:46:59 PM
From another forgotten war, forgotten biowarfare:

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54

sidd
A long time ago I dragged through the SEC filing by Monsanto. Over the years they have bought many companies and with them inherited many legal cases in limbo. One was by Korean Vets concerning their health problems ftom the use of chemical warfare. Lawyers rule, OK?
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on February 27, 2018, 08:04:21 AM
We discard our memories so easily.

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/would-you-burn-the-mona-lisa-if-it-was-sent-our-horror-bureaucratic-bungle-20180213-h0w0w3.html

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on February 28, 2018, 01:18:21 AM
We discard our memories so easily.

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/would-you-burn-the-mona-lisa-if-it-was-sent-our-horror-bureaucratic-bungle-20180213-h0w0w3.html (https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/would-you-burn-the-mona-lisa-if-it-was-sent-our-horror-bureaucratic-bungle-20180213-h0w0w3.html)

sidd
The bureaucracy mind with it's incendiary insistence on dogmatic detail.



Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on March 05, 2018, 07:44:05 PM
First as tragedy, and then as farce. The USA now finds that it's own military and civilian lawyers refuse to participate in kangaroo courts:

" ...  Brig. Gen. John Baker, who supervises all of the defense teams at Guantánamo, sent a memo warning that he could no longer assure defense attorneys of privileged conversations with their clients anywhere at the naval base. "

" ... years of government intrusions and surveillance ... meeting rooms bugged with microphones hidden in smoke detectors and an FBI attempt to turn a defense lawyer into an informant."

"The exact information, like much else at Guantánamo, remains classified ... "

"Col. Vance Spath, has called the defense claims of an ethical breach “fake news,”  ... Spath’s rulings on the matter remain classified ..."

"Kammen, Eliades, and Spears submitted their resignations ...Spath has continually recalled them back to the war court, orders they have resisted. He held Baker – a Marine Corps general – in contempt and sentenced him to 21 days of confinement at Guantánamo, ... "

" ... proposals for a new “clean facility” for attorney-client meetings to try to assuage the lawyers’ concerns – but the specs for the facility include “control and listening rooms.” "

"Kammen described the options Spath gave him as “either come to GTMO and resume unethical representation or go to jail. "

"Piette told the New York Times last month, “There is no way I qualify as learned counsel.”"

"[Spath] nonetheless advised that he [Piette] employ “self-help” to become trained as learned counsel, later suggesting that a short course would help a lawyer with no homicide experience to take on one of the most important capital cases in U.S. history."

" ...  rectal feeding, being kenneled like a dog, and mock executions ... much remains classified."

Read the whole thing:

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/05/guantanamo-trials-abd-al-rahim-al-nashiri/

sidd


Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on March 05, 2018, 09:10:16 PM
sidd
What you are reporting is Fake News.


The FBI would never ever do anything that might even tangentially be perceived as illegal, immoral, illicit, corrupt, nefarious, unethical, unconstitutional or "crooked".


Have you no shame?
Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on March 07, 2018, 10:31:35 PM
Here's some more fake news: Texas judge resorts to electric shocks on a defendant

"Judges are not allowed to shock defendants in their courtrooms just because they won’t answer questions, the court said, or because they fail to follow the court’s rules of decorum ..."

Gee, you think ?

" ...  not an operant conditioning collar ... "

" ... the stun belt can cause the person to seize, suffer heart irregularities, urinate or defecate ..."

"“Hit him again,” the judge ordered."

Nice defense counsel, too:

"trial defense attorney, Bill Ray, told Texas Lawyer he didn’t object to use of stun belt during trial ...he did not believe Morris was really being shocked."

" ... lest we allow practices like these to affront the very dignity of the proceedings we seek to protect and lead our courts to drift from justice into barbarism."

Little late for that. Last sentence is a classic:

" ... declined to comment, citing judicial ethics."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/03/07/barbarism-texas-judge-ordered-electric-shocks-to-man-during-trial-conviction-thrown-out/

Remind me not to get busted in Texas.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on March 23, 2018, 05:31:51 AM
If she ain't a terrorist now, she will be by the time they're done with her.

Got her to sign a confession under threat of placing her children in a christian household. They knew the confession was false and didn't disclose.

FBI's finest.

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/22/at-trial-of-omar-mateens-wife-judges-questioning-reveals-a-huge-hole-in-prosecutions-case-and-deceit-by-prosecutors/

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on March 23, 2018, 07:35:15 AM
If she ain't a terrorist now, she will be by the time they're done with her.

Got her to sign a confession under threat of placing her children in a christian household. They knew the confession was false and didn't disclose.

FBI's finest.

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/22/at-trial-of-omar-mateens-wife-judges-questioning-reveals-a-huge-hole-in-prosecutions-case-and-deceit-by-prosecutors/ (https://theintercept.com/2018/03/22/at-trial-of-omar-mateens-wife-judges-questioning-reveals-a-huge-hole-in-prosecutions-case-and-deceit-by-prosecutors/)

sidd


After reading the first comment I'm wondering if this is yet another attack that the FBI could have prevented, if that had been their objective. The fact that the FBI lied to the lawyers, the judge and the jury sadly seems hardly newsworthy.


Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on April 08, 2018, 02:16:25 AM
Another old powerbroker bites the dust. Helped get Nixon elected, among her other sins. I'll drink to her passing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-43650637

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: bbr2314 on April 08, 2018, 02:24:37 AM
Another old powerbroker bites the dust. Helped get Nixon elected, among her other sins. I'll drink to her passing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-43650637

sidd
Nixon was the best President in the history of the US besides James K. Polk, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Dick Cheney. Rude!
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: magnamentis on April 08, 2018, 11:00:18 AM
Another old powerbroker bites the dust. Helped get Nixon elected, among her other sins. I'll drink to her passing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-43650637

sidd
Nixon was the best President in the history of the US besides James K. Polk, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Dick Cheney. Rude!

if that was sarcasm it evaded me and since when has "halliburton dicky" ever been a POTUS ?

sorry i just don't get it but if you're kidding perhaps it takes a kind of sign (smily) for the ignorant ;)
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: dnem on April 08, 2018, 01:33:24 PM
Another old powerbroker bites the dust. Helped get Nixon elected, among her other sins. I'll drink to her passing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-43650637

sidd
Nixon was the best President in the history of the US besides James K. Polk, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Dick Cheney. Rude!

if that was sarcasm it evaded me and since when has "halliburton dicky" ever been a POTUS ?

sorry i just don't get it but if you're kidding perhaps it takes a kind of sign (smily) for the ignorant ;)

Magna, I think the implication is that when "W" (George W. Bush) was POTUS, he was so dim and controlled that Cheney was the de facto POTUS.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: magnamentis on April 08, 2018, 07:02:11 PM
Another old powerbroker bites the dust. Helped get Nixon elected, among her other sins. I'll drink to her passing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-43650637

sidd
Nixon was the best President in the history of the US besides James K. Polk, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Dick Cheney. Rude!

if that was sarcasm it evaded me and since when has "halliburton dicky" ever been a POTUS ?

sorry i just don't get it but if you're kidding perhaps it takes a kind of sign (smily) for the ignorant ;)

Magna, I think the implication is that when "W" (George W. Bush) was POTUS, he was so dim and controlled that Cheney was the de facto POTUS.

yep, that's the part i left out. in reality DC was the puppet player in and GWB the puppet, fully aware and thanks to confirm because i'm not always sure about how many are aware of that ;)

(or share that point of view)

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on April 20, 2018, 01:40:42 AM
My tax dollars at work:

" Qahtani could not be tried by the prison’s military commission, thanks to a regime of torture that had left him in “life-threatening condition.” "

" ... solitary confinement, sleep deprivation, extreme temperature and noise exposure, stress positions, forced nudity, body cavity searches, sexual assault and humiliation, beatings, strangling, threats of rendition, and water-boarding."

" ... Donald Rumsfeld signed off on the torture regimen ..."

" ... during his sixth year of U.S. detention at Guantánamo Bay, Qahtani attempted to kill himself ..."

"Qahtani later repudiated confessions that he made under torture ... "

" ... held in a state of legal limbo ..."

"The United States cannot viably prosecute a man it has admitted torturing ... "

https://theintercept.com/2018/04/19/torture-mohammed-al-qahtani-guantanamo/

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on May 04, 2018, 09:27:10 AM
America's Finest News Source nails it again:

https://www.theonion.com/saudi-prince-visits-injured-yemeni-child-in-hospital-to-1825720599

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on May 08, 2018, 10:42:26 PM
Evict the old and the sick from nursing homes. They're just a drag on society:

"sending nursing home eviction notices Thursday to more than 30,000 residents "

"The goal of the department is to give notice to all affected people as soon as possible in order that they begin developing their appropriate plans."

Better to find that nice cozy overpass bridge to live under.

" budget begins July 1, which is when the evictions could technically begin."

It's be nice and warm then. The pleasures of outdoor living.

" ... one of the state's safety net hospitals, Lafayette General, sent notices to 800 employees that the medical center will close and they will lose their jobs under the budget being debated now. The other safety net hospitals are expected to follow suit."

Safety net ? those old fucks don't deserve one.

"There is no place for them to go."

Plenty of unoccupied sidewalks ... until we jail em for vagrancy ...

"This make us look heartless,"

No shit.

"Nothing is more important than fixing this budget"

Dear god. These lawmakers are moral voids.

sidd

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on May 09, 2018, 12:46:07 AM
Evict the old and the sick from nursing homes. They're just a drag on society:

"sending nursing home eviction notices Thursday to more than 30,000 residents "

"The goal of the department is to give notice to all affected people as soon as possible in order that they begin developing their appropriate plans."

Better to find that nice cozy overpass bridge to live under.

" budget begins July 1, which is when the evictions could technically begin."

It's be nice and warm then. The pleasures of outdoor living.

" ... one of the state's safety net hospitals, Lafayette General, sent notices to 800 employees that the medical center will close and they will lose their jobs under the budget being debated now. The other safety net hospitals are expected to follow suit."

Safety net ? those old fucks don't deserve one.

"There is no place for them to go."

Plenty of unoccupied sidewalks ... until we jail em for vagrancy ...

"This make us look heartless,"

No shit.

"Nothing is more important than fixing this budget"

Dear god. These lawmakers are moral voids.

sidd
You're supposed to let us know when it's an onion editorial. >:(


Las Vegas had a law against feeding the homeless that was actively enforced, and every now and then they'd run through the Hoovervilles with bulldozers.
Turning on the park sprinklers each night was also effective in keeping the city looking sharp, though my personal favorite was the posted warnings against "loitering" in parks.
Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on May 23, 2018, 12:13:36 AM
So, so many trails of tears:

" ...  the Pickering Treaty, the agreement was signed in 1794 between the federal government and the Haudenosaunee Confederacy, or the Six Nations ..."

"... signed without ratifying seals or ribbons — like 17 other unratified treaties signed by representatives of the U.S. government and Native American nations ..."

" ... lawmakers pressured the U.S. Senate not to ratify the treaties ..."

"The answer is always gold," she says. "And if it's not gold, it's silver. And if it's not silver, it's copper. And if it's not, go right through the metal chart." 

 "... citizens of the U.S., these are your treaties. "

"This was our land."

Read and weep.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/01/18/368559990/broken-promises-on-display-at-native-american-treaties-exhibit

sidd


sidd


Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: Tunnelforce9 on May 23, 2018, 03:20:26 AM

Las Vegas had a law against feeding the homeless that was actively enforced, and every now and then they'd run through the Hoovervilles with bulldozers.
Turning on the park sprinklers each night was also effective in keeping the city looking sharp, though my personal favorite was the posted warnings against "loitering" in parks.
Terry

I'm lucky to live in such a good country (Netherlands)
We don't have the problems you are talking about, New York has more then 60.000 homeless people on a total population of 8.5 million)

We have a total of 30.000 homeless people in our whole country (17 million population)

When you visit Amsterdam you'll see maybe 5 beggars in total if you are lucky that's it.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: wili on May 23, 2018, 03:38:59 AM
Few developed countries are as bad as the US wrt homelessness. But The Netherlands could do even better if they stopped their moves toward criminalizing squats (mostly a result of racism as immigrants become a bigger and more visible part of the mix in some squates, according to my daughter who is living there now).
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: Tunnelforce9 on May 23, 2018, 03:50:36 AM
I am against squatting since we have organizations where you can get a living space for only ~125 euro a month (light and gas included)  It's called an Anti-Sqautting organisation there are a whole bunch of them nowadays.

I've also lived in such a place, was a very nice apartment. It was the first place i lived when i left home. I paid 125 euro for a 2 room apartment about 70 m2 big in an old pastorial building next to an old church, it was great, had a really good time there !
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on May 23, 2018, 09:03:23 AM

Las Vegas had a law against feeding the homeless that was actively enforced, and every now and then they'd run through the Hoovervilles with bulldozers.
Turning on the park sprinklers each night was also effective in keeping the city looking sharp, though my personal favorite was the posted warnings against "loitering" in parks.
Terry

I'm lucky to live in such a good country (Netherlands)
We don't have the problems you are talking about, New York has more then 60.000 homeless people on a total population of 8.5 million)

We have a total of 30.000 homeless people in our whole country (17 million population)

When you visit Amsterdam you'll see maybe 5 beggars in total if you are lucky that's it.
I left Las Vegas in 2004 and made my way back to Canada. No homeless problems locally. The city built quite an elegant facility, then found they needed to import some have-nots from other communities to keep the place occupied. :P
Terry

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: Shared Humanity on May 23, 2018, 03:03:00 PM
The count of homeless really depends on how you define it. In Chicago, individuals and families are counted as homeless if they are uncertain where they will be sleeping tonight. This allows the city to capture the thousands who work to secure temporary sleeping arrangements with family and friends, sleeping in basements, garages etc. (sofa surfing). These arrangements are temporary as the families that are providing such shelter are usually struggling themselves. For this reason, the homeless shuffle about with periodic spells living on the streets.

Using this definition, Chicago, a city of 2.7 million, has slightly over 100,000 homeless and the Chicago Public schools count 15,000 of their students as homeless. Imagine how difficult it must be to concentrate at school when you're not sure where you will be sleeping tonight.

The richest country in the world and we refuse to provide the very basics for a substantial portion of our citizens.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on May 23, 2018, 10:49:05 PM
Another old cold warrior bites the dust. Good.

"in a 1998 New York Times interview, he took credit for the Havana bombings"

"he was accused of coordinating the 1976 bombing of the Cuban airliner that exploded over the Caribbean shortly after taking off from Barbados. Posada was arrested when two men who worked for his small firm confessed to planting the bombs."

"he helped the Reagan administration and U.S. Army Col. Oliver North resupply neighboring Nicaragua's rightist Contra rebels against the left-leaning Sandinista government."

"he was convicted in Panama in connection with a failed assassination attempt against Castro."

"The U.S. refused to turn him over to Venezuela or Cuba"

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article211727309.html

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: gerontocrat on June 11, 2018, 07:52:10 PM
News Corp = Rupert Murdoch deserves inclusion in this topic.

The dinosaurs fight back. It is as well to remember that these guys kill people just as surely as a man with a gun.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jun/11/the-wall-street-journal-keeps-peddling-big-oil-propaganda#comment-116858049

The Wall Street Journal keeps peddling Big Oil propaganda
The WSJ disguises climate misinformation as “opinion”


The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) Opinion page has long had a conservative skew, and unfortunately that has extended to politicizing climate change with biased and factually inaccurate editorials.

Quote
Over the past several weeks, the WSJ’s attacks on climate science have gone into overdrive. On May 15th, the Opinion page published a self-contradictory editorial from the lifelong contrarian and fossil fuel-funded Fred Singer that so badly rejected basic physics, it prompted one researcher to remark, “If this were an essay in one of my undergraduate classes, he would fail.”

The WSJ did publish a letter to the editor (LTE) from real climate scientists Andrea Dutton and Michael Mann rebutting Singer’s editorial. However, it gave the last word to science deniers in an LTE response rejecting the well-established facts that sea level rise is accelerating and Antarctic is loss is contributing to it.

A few days later, the WSJ opinion page was at it again, publishing an editorial by Stephen F. Hayward, who describes himself as having “spent most of my adult life in conservative think tanks in Washington, D.C.,” and it shows. Hayward has a long history as a climate naysayer, spanning over a decade back to his days with the fossil fuel-funded American Enterprise Institute.

Some people are of the opinion that the Earth is flat, but the WSJ and The Hill probably wouldn’t publish Flat Earthers’ editorials. Of course, the Flat Earth Society doesn’t have the financial and political clout of the fossil fuel industry.



Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on August 01, 2018, 08:29:57 PM
"When someone says, “Good morning,” I do not respond anymore. There is no morning and no evening. There is only despair. "

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article215683470.html

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: gerontocrat on August 01, 2018, 09:11:05 PM
"When someone says, “Good morning,” I do not respond anymore. There is no morning and no evening. There is only despair. "

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article215683470.html

sidd

Oh, Sidd. It is sickening, and totally and utterly useless. And the sickness will travel from Guantanamo into society back in the USA.

Who knows what the effect is on the people who are doing this. For the staff of Gunatanamo, this is their normality. What do they do when they have finished their tour of duty and go home ?
How do they cope in a society that at least for the most part could not and would not do what they have done as a daily routine ?
How do their families and friends cope when, as I know too well, they spill their guts on what they did?

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on August 01, 2018, 10:28:00 PM
"And the sickness will travel from Guantanamo into society back in the USA."

I think the sickness we see exposed in Guantanamo and elsewhere is a symptom of deeper flaws in the body politic of the USA. The nation treats its own dispossessed very badly; it is not surprising that foreigners are treated worse. Some of these abhorrent practises date back to the days of slavery. Thus, I think that the evils originated within the nation.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on August 11, 2018, 09:33:00 PM
I give you Gina Haspel, supervising the demolition of a human being for the greater glory of Empire.

--
... Mitchell and Jessen threw him to the floor and the "security team" ripped off his clothes, shaved his head "while subject moaned and wailed," and locked him in the confinement box at 0445 hours. According to former CIA lawyer John Rizzo, a prisoner could stand in this "large" box roughly the size of a coffin, while the "small" box reserved for shorter stays was only big enough to "curl up" in. The cable below established that Nashiri stayed in the confinement box for over 12 hours, until 1703 ...

... multiple applications of the walling technique, and ultimately, multiple applications of the watering technique ...

The water treatment was applied at 1214 hours," after which "Interrogators covered subject's head with the hood and left him on the water board, moaning, shaking and asking God to help him repeatedly ...

Likening the conditioning process to tenderizing a fine steak, interrogators told subject that perhaps he similarly just needed conditioning and 'tenderizing' to be ready for what interrogators were asking of him." This was after extended sessions of physical violence, wall slamming, box confinement, sleep deprivation, forced nudity, shackling, stress positions, and waterboarding ...

--

That human being's name was Al-Nashiri, currently held in Guantanamo.

Read if you have the stomach.

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//dc.html?doc=4704822-Document-02-Gina-Haspel-s-Day-One-report-to-CIA
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//dc.html?doc=4704823-Document-03-Gina-Haspel-s-report-to-CIA-on-two
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//dc.html?doc=4704832-Document-12-Gina-Haspel-report-to-CIA-on-the
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//dc.html?doc=4704834-Document-14-Thailand-black-site-report-to-CIA-on
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//dc.html?doc=4704835-Document-15-Thailand-black-site-report-to-CIA
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//dc.html?doc=4704836-Document-16-Thailand-black-site-report-to-CIA

That site has much more.

Haspel is currently head of the CIA, safeguarding democracy around the world.

Most of the USA supports her.

"Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe torture can be justified to extract information from suspected terrorists ..."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-torture-exclusive-idUSKCN0WW0Y3

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on August 18, 2018, 07:53:17 AM
I give you Lockheed-Martin, an exemplar of bleeding edge technology in the USA. And worldwide. Mostly worldwide.

The bleeding happens to unimportant people far away, well away from the USA.

---

 ... a 500-pound (227 kilogram) laser-guided MK 82 bomb made by Lockheed Martin ...

Of the 51 people who died in the airstrike, 40 were children ...

"I saw the bomb hit the bus," one witness said. "It blew it into those shops and threw the bodies clear to the other side of those buildings. We found bodies scattered everywhere, there was a severed head inside the bomb crater. When we found that, that was when I started running. I was so afraid."

---

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/17/middleeast/us-saudi-yemen-bus-strike-intl/index.html

My tax dollars at work.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: oren on August 18, 2018, 02:33:41 PM
Despite this deplorable attack and its tragic outcome, I think the blame should be laid on those who decided to use such bombs for their purposes - the Saudis, and partially on those who decided to give them these bombs - US officials. Laser guided MK-82 bombs have been around for 40 years, Lockheed Martin makes the guidance kit, while General Dynamics makes the bomb itself AFAIK. Blaming Lockheed Martin "misses the mark" IMHO.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on August 19, 2018, 06:35:34 AM
Many may pull back from purchasing Saudi-Tesla products, even Tesla-Saudi ones.
Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on August 19, 2018, 09:16:15 PM
Rehabilitation of war criminals proceeds apace: The new heroes of the left:

" ... the nation’s spies are enjoying a renaissance in their public standing, particularly among Democrats ..."

" ... Brennan, Clapper, and Hayden have, in the space of a couple of years’ worth of Trump criticism, seemingly erased the massive scandals that once clung to their names ... "

"Brennan, Clapper, and Hayden are not dispassionate guardians of democratic ideals and decency. They’re the former executives of what Matt Taibbi has accurately called “an authoritarian state-within-a-state,” who created and promoted illiberal programs of torture, assassination, and spying, and have brazenly, and often illegally, lied to the public and the lawmakers who are supposed to hold them to account."

" ... criticism of Trump from figures like Brennan, Clapper, and Hayden is motivated at least as much by their abiding loyalty to the intelligence apparatus he disdains, their longstanding hawkishness when it comes to Russia, and the need to distract from their own checkered histories, as it is by high-minded principles of democracy and patriotism. Every time one of these men does an interview, writes an op-ed, or goes on a talk show, we shouldn’t forget that until very recently, their names were associated with scandal and censure."

Unfortunately the author actually believes there is such a thing called "American Democracy" ...

"Ensuring the survival of American democracy will eventually require taking on this shadow government, too — a task made all the more difficult when liberals turn its architects into idols."

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/08/john-brennan-trump-hayden-clapper

You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on August 29, 2018, 09:30:09 AM
What kind of world is this ?

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/suspected-cia-black-site-in-thailand-to-become-tourist-destination-20180827-p5001o.html

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: Neven on August 29, 2018, 10:23:40 AM
What kind of world is this ?

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/suspected-cia-black-site-in-thailand-to-become-tourist-destination-20180827-p5001o.html

sidd

I have a good name: Waterboardworld!

Rehabilitation of war criminals proceeds apace: The new heroes of the left:

" ... the nation’s spies are enjoying a renaissance in their public standing, particularly among Democrats ..."

" ... Brennan, Clapper, and Hayden have, in the space of a couple of years’ worth of Trump criticism, seemingly erased the massive scandals that once clung to their names ... "

"Brennan, Clapper, and Hayden are not dispassionate guardians of democratic ideals and decency. They’re the former executives of what Matt Taibbi has accurately called “an authoritarian state-within-a-state,” who created and promoted illiberal programs of torture, assassination, and spying, and have brazenly, and often illegally, lied to the public and the lawmakers who are supposed to hold them to account."

" ... criticism of Trump from figures like Brennan, Clapper, and Hayden is motivated at least as much by their abiding loyalty to the intelligence apparatus he disdains, their longstanding hawkishness when it comes to Russia, and the need to distract from their own checkered histories, as it is by high-minded principles of democracy and patriotism. Every time one of these men does an interview, writes an op-ed, or goes on a talk show, we shouldn’t forget that until very recently, their names were associated with scandal and censure."

Unfortunately the author actually believes there is such a thing called "American Democracy" ...

"Ensuring the survival of American democracy will eventually require taking on this shadow government, too — a task made all the more difficult when liberals turn its architects into idols."

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/08/john-brennan-trump-hayden-clapper

You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

sidd

I watched Brennan in an interview with Bill Maher yesterday. It remains pretty mindboggling.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on September 11, 2018, 12:43:55 AM
On third of psychologists in the American Psychological Association are now cool with torture:

"What makes the new vote less than completely satisfying, however, is this: the 2015 vote establishing that policy was 157-to-1. This year, a third of the council was ready to send psychologists back to Guantánamo. Like much of the rest of Donald Trump’s United States, the APA seems to be in the process of backsliding on torture."

"Obama also argued that nothing would be "gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past." He couldn’t have been more mistaken. "

https://original.antiwar.com/Rebecca_Gordon/2018/09/09/psychologists-say-no-to-torture/

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: johnm33 on September 11, 2018, 01:27:43 AM
"One third of psychologists in the American Psychological Association are now cool with torture:"
You don't have to read much history to realise morality is a moveable feast, these guys seem to be standing on marbles.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on October 15, 2018, 11:51:27 PM
Sjursen on the myths of the West:

“I have come to kill Indians and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God’s heaven to kill Indians.”

"By 1860, only 30,000 California Indians (out of 150,000) remained alive"

 “The only good Indians I ever saw were dead.”

“possession is a disease with them [white men].”

"In 1870, the Supreme Court ruled that Congress had the power to “supersede or even annul treaties” with Indian tribes. "

"The original (Hispanic) residents of California and the Southwest were promised their private landholdings would be protected under the provisions of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ... It was not to be. "

 “Mexicans have no business in this country. The men were made to be shot at, and the women were made for our purposes. I’m a white man—I am! A Mexican is pretty near black. I hate all Mexicans.”

"Are “undocumented” Mexican immigrants “illegal intruders,” or rightful residents of “Occupied America”? "

"Indians had adhered to treaties more faithfully than whites and were rewarded with banishment, theft, war and at times extermination."

" [Out of] five of the poorest U.S. counties ...  four—Buffalo, Todd and Shannon in South Dakota and Wade Hampton in Alaska ...  are all Indian reservations ... or places with major Native American majorities"

"These counties, each filled with thousands of tragic individual stories, are living relics of our past; of each phase of the U.S. government’s calamitous Indian policy—first, removal, then concentration, followed by confinement to the reservation, and, finally, hopeless forced assimilation. "

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/american-history-for-truthdiggers-lies-we-tell-ourselves-about-the-old-west/

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: Human Habitat Index on October 16, 2018, 01:50:23 AM
Sjursen on the myths of the West:

“I have come to kill Indians and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God’s heaven to kill Indians.”

"By 1860, only 30,000 California Indians (out of 150,000) remained alive"

 “The only good Indians I ever saw were dead.”

“possession is a disease with them [white men].”

"In 1870, the Supreme Court ruled that Congress had the power to “supersede or even annul treaties” with Indian tribes. "

"The original (Hispanic) residents of California and the Southwest were promised their private landholdings would be protected under the provisions of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ... It was not to be. "

 “Mexicans have no business in this country. The men were made to be shot at, and the women were made for our purposes. I’m a white man—I am! A Mexican is pretty near black. I hate all Mexicans.”

"Are “undocumented” Mexican immigrants “illegal intruders,” or rightful residents of “Occupied America”? "

"Indians had adhered to treaties more faithfully than whites and were rewarded with banishment, theft, war and at times extermination."

" [Out of] five of the poorest U.S. counties ...  four—Buffalo, Todd and Shannon in South Dakota and Wade Hampton in Alaska ...  are all Indian reservations ... or places with major Native American majorities"

"These counties, each filled with thousands of tragic individual stories, are living relics of our past; of each phase of the U.S. government’s calamitous Indian policy—first, removal, then concentration, followed by confinement to the reservation, and, finally, hopeless forced assimilation. "

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/american-history-for-truthdiggers-lies-we-tell-ourselves-about-the-old-west/

sidd

This mirrors the history of the dispossession and genocide of Australian Aborigines.

 >:( :( :'(
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on October 17, 2018, 10:38:10 PM
Another soul in limbo: Defense counsel on Zubadayah:

"The infamous torture memo was, in fact, written specifically to legitimize Abu Zubaydah’s torture."

"This document described Abu Zubaydah as “the third or fourth man in al-Qaida” and “a senior Usama Bin Laden lieutenant” who had been “involved in every major al-Qaida terrorist operation” and was “a planner of the 11 September hijackings.” He “managed a network of [al-Qaeda] training camps,” “directed the start-up of a Bin Laden cell in Jordan,” and “served as al-Qaeda’s coordinator of external contacts, or foreign communications.” He was also alleged to be “engaged in ongoing terrorism planning against US interests.” For good measure, he had supposedly written the organization’s “manual on resistance techniques” and had a particular expertise in thwarting conventional interrogations. "

"The “facts” recounted above to justify this torture were all false. Abu Zubaydah was no lieutenant to Osama bin Laden. He held no position in al-Qaeda, senior or otherwise. He had no part in September 11 or any other al-Qaeda operations. He did not operate a network of al-Qaeda camps, open an al-Qaeda cell in Jordan, or manage al-Qaeda’s external communications. He did not draft any resistance manual, for al-Qaeda or anyone else, and had no special expertise in resisting interrogations.

The government no longer maintains that these assertions are true, and now concedes that Abu Zubaydah was never a member of al-Qaeda."

"The CIA has likewise admitted error, and now affirms that Abu Zubaydah was not part of al-Qaeda. This is also the conclusion of the United Nations Security Council, which has removed Abu Zubaydah from its Islamic State and al-Qaeda sanctions list, based on the earlier recommendation of the UN ombudsman, who similarly concluded that Abu Zubaydah was not a member of al-Qaeda. And years ago, the Department of Justice withdrew all allegations that Abu Zubaydah had a connection to the September 11 attacks or played any part in al-Qaeda’s terrorism."

"Because the demonization of radical Islam has been uncritically embraced by a significant portion of the population and a great many of our elected officials, there is widespread (though not universal) agreement that the federal government may do things to followers of radical Islam that it would never do to a conventional offender"

"because regardless of what he may have done, regardless of whether he is “innocent,” we should not authorize the government to treat him in a way that we would never tolerate if it were done to a dog, or to imprison him incommunicado, in a small, windowless cell, without charges or meaningful process, until he dies, forgotten by a world that has long since moved on."

"the government relies on people continuing to imagine him a monster. Because if he is a monster, the government was right to torture him. If he is a monster, it is not just lawful but good that he remains imprisoned indefinitely. If he is a monster, we may do with him what we will.

But there are no monsters. There is only us."

Read the whole thing:

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/09/28/the-innocence-of-abu-zubaydah/

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on January 07, 2019, 10:22:12 PM
More Guantanamo blues:

" military commissions system is a kangaroo court designed to cover-up CIA torture "

" “forever prisoners,” 26 are specifically held in indefinite detention without charge or trial. "

" too difficult to prosecute, because of inadmissible and often torture-obtained evidence, and too dangerous to release. However, recidivism for former Guantánamo prisoners is low — 4.6 percent. "

" Once you torture someone, it is hard to un-torture them. "

" classifying defendants’ thoughts and memories of the torture they experienced as “state secrets.” "

Kafka could have written this. And I am surprised at only five in a hundred recidivism rate. If I'd been tortured like those guys, I'd be in a throat-slitting kinda mood ...

Read the whole thing, if you have the stomach:

https://truthout.org/articles/fbi-cia-collaboration-reveals-blatant-illegitimacy-of-guantanamo-trials/

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on February 23, 2019, 08:06:10 AM
The Kafka continues:

Apparently, torture disclosure for propaganda is fine.
But such disclosure to defense lawyers for the tortured ?
No way. 

"The lawyers discovered that in the CIA’s year-long cooperation with the film-makers, the agency shared details of Baluchi’s torture at a secret prison, or black site, which they had been told were too secret to be divulged."

"The trial has yet to begin, despite the fact that Baluchi and his four other co-accused in the 9/11 case have been in Guantánamo for 13 years and were first charged in 2008. "

"In the pre-trial hearings, which have been underway for nearly seven years, the defence teams have been repeatedly denied access to witnesses and documentation that might cast light on their clients’ captivity prior to arriving in Guantánamo."

"“Although we have received no orders to do so, we are currently prepared to take in up to an additional 40 detainees with no additional staffing requirements.

“With minimal adjustments to current infrastructure and manpower we could take up to 200 detainees total,” he said. "

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/feb/22/ammar-al-baluchi-pre-trial-911-cia-guantanamo-bay-torture

I got an idea. If they wanna throw more people in there, how about Bush the lesser, Cheney, Tenet, Rice Addington, Yoo, Bybee ... dump em all in Guantanamo. Did they say they had room for 200 ? Toss in some bankers, too.
 
sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: Shared Humanity on February 23, 2019, 05:32:19 PM
Don't forget Rumsfeld.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on March 21, 2019, 10:42:09 PM
Ten years after: torturers dragged into court

"The company, CACI Premier Technology, was contracted by the Pentagon to provide interrogators for the jail. To this day, it still has contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars with the US Department of Defence."

"The firm has fought to stop the case from being heard for more than 10 years, according to lawyers involved in the case. But now, the detainees will have their day in court."

Read and weep:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-war-abu-ghraib-prison-court-torture-scandal-soldiers-a8831881.html

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on April 03, 2019, 07:34:16 AM
They dont deserve a clean death: US Supremes cool with painful execution

“executing him by lethal injection will cause the tumors that grow in his throat to rupture during his execution, causing him to sputter, choke, and suffocate on his own blood for up to several minutes before he dies.”

"The corporation that manufactured sodium thiopental stopped supplying it for use in executions"

"there are only narrow grounds for legal challenges by inmates to the method of execution. Bucklew had to prove that the method of execution would be unconstitutionally painful, and he was required to propose an alternative method of execution that was constitutionally permissible."

"dismissing his suggestion of nitrogen gas—approved as a method of execution in three states—on particularly ludicrous grounds, namely, that he did not submit a full plan of operation for his own execution, including such details as what kind of protective gear his executioners should wear when they gassed him."

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/04/02/supr-a02.html

This is a strange and terrible land. Just put a bullet or three though his head, for mercy's sake.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: b_lumenkraft on April 03, 2019, 07:45:59 AM
Or, just don't execute people.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on April 04, 2019, 06:42:34 AM
Navajo Nation betrayed again. And again. And again.

"Although collective oral histories stretch back thousands of years, most family stories begin in 1868 – the year the Navajo signed a treaty with the United States that ended their incarceration at Bosque Redondo and allowed them to return to their ancestral homeland."

" the treaty spelled out the responsibilities of the federal government ...  the government pledged to provide a school house and a teacher for every 30 students ... The promises were essentially worthless. "

" federal agencies refused to construct roads that would allow children to ride a bus to schools near their home. Instead, they were sent to distant boarding schools that stripped them of their Native language and culture."

Read and weep:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/02/new-mexico-navajo-nation-searchlight-native-american

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on April 16, 2019, 12:17:51 AM
Taub at New Yorker: One who made it out of Guantanamo, and the prison guard who converted to Islam.

"In time, Wood began to think of everything he had known before meeting Salahi as a narrow-minded myth of American superiority, notable for its omissions of overseas misadventures. Meanwhile, the Bush Administration’s pretext for invading Iraq was collapsing, and so was Wood’s trust in government. It was the spring of 2004. There were no weapons of mass destruction. The “mission” had not been “accomplished.” When Wood watched the evening news, he saw photographs of American M.P.s torturing and sexually humiliating Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib. He began to wonder whether the case against Mohamedou Salahi was as flimsy and politically motivated as that for the invasion had been. “I was, like, What else have they lied about?” he said."

"he began to wonder whether what he was actually protecting at Guantánamo was one of the government’s darkest secrets: that its highest-value military detainee was being held essentially by mistake"

"the lead Senegalese officer was convinced that there was no reason to hold Salahi"

 “We had done all our investigations, and we found nothing against Salahi,”

"Abdellahi’s men detained Salahi again in the fall of 2001, at the request of the Americans. “I really have no questions for you, because I know your case,” Abdellahi told him. "

"Salahi found his Jordanian interrogators to be highly knowledgeable ... they understand this whole concept of terrorism much better than the average American interrogator ... they were very reluctant to torture me. It was not every day, the torture—I would say maybe twice a week "

"an intelligence officer, known among the detainees as William the Torturer, forced Salahi into stress positions that exacerbated his sciatic-nerve issues."

"One day, after an interrogator kicked a Quran across the floor, detainees organized a mass suicide attempt. “Once every fifteen minutes, a prisoner tried to hang himself by tying his sheet around his neck and fastening it through the mesh of the cage wall,” ... The protest lasted for several days as twenty-three prisoners tried to hang themselves."

"Yee came to believe that “Islam was systematically used as a weapon against the prisoners.” "

"after McFadden visited the detention camp, he concluded that the detainees were “essentially nobodies.” He told me, “There was not anyone approaching even the most liberal interpretation of a ‘high-value detainee.’ ” "

"In Afghanistan, the U.S. military was inadvertently presiding over a kidnapping-and-ransom industry. "

“What better way to enrich yourself, while resolving old grudges, than to finger a neighbor who was your enemy, regardless of his support for either Al Qaeda or the Taliban?”

" detainees would stop coöperating and start chanting or praying; in an attempt to reassert control, Fallon wrote, “the interrogators would duct-tape their mouths, further guaranteeing that they wouldn’t get any information—and so it would go.” "

" each failed interrogation “was taken as proof that the detainees were both Al Qaeda and trained to resist these methods.” "

"If the detainee dies, you’re doing it wrong."

"Beaver endorsed “the use of scenarios designed to convince the detainee that death” was “imminent.” "

" “We’re gonna feed you up your ass,” an interrogator said."

"One day they would deprive him of food, and the next they’d force him to drink water until he vomited. "

" He was forced to swallow salt water, and, every few minutes, the men packed ice cubes between his clothes and his skin. When the ice melted, they punched him, then repacked the ice to freeze him again. By the end of the boat ride, Salahi was bleeding from his ankles, mouth, and wrists. Seven or eight of his ribs were broken."

"Salahi wrote in his diary. “But the problem is that you cannot just admit to something you haven’t done; you need to deliver the details, which you can’t when you hadn’t done anything. It’s not just, ‘Yes, I did!’ No, it doesn’t work that way: you have to make up a complete story that makes sense to the dumbest dummies. One of the hardest things to do is to tell an untruthful story and maintain it, and that is exactly where I was stuck.” "

“I took the pen and paper and wrote all kinds of incriminating lies about a poor person who was just seeking refuge in Canada and trying to make some money so he could start a family. Moreover, he is handicapped. I felt so bad, and kept praying silently, ‘Nothing’s gonna happen to you dear brother.’ ”

"Salahi voluntarily sat for a polygraph test. The examiner described Salahi, whose answers contradicted everything he had confessed to Zuley in the preceding weeks, as “eager to prove that he is providing accurate information.” The results were decisive: “No deception indicated.” "

"While Salahi was being tortured, James Yee, the Muslim military chaplain, discovered that he and the interpreters at Guantánamo—many of whom were Muslim Americans, with Middle Eastern backgrounds—were being spied on by law-enforcement and intelligence officers. When Yee went on leave, he flew to Jacksonville, Florida, where he was interrogated and arrested, then blindfolded, earmuffed, and driven to a Navy brig in South Carolina. For seventy-six days, he lived in solitary confinement, in a cold cell with surveillance cameras and the lights always on ... All charges were later dropped, and Yee was honorably discharged."

"More detainees have died at Guantánamo than have been convicted of a crime."

"The prosecutor assigned to Salahi’s case was a lieutenant colonel named Stuart Couch ... he became suspicious that Salahi’s confessions had been elicited through torture ... he resigned from the case."

"The government no longer attempted to prosecute Salahi ... but it argued that he should nevertheless be detained indefinitely."

"Amanda gave birth to a son ... Amanda is an American, and so their son is now a citizen of the country whose purported values Salahi wants to believe in but has never seen. "

Read the whole thing, if you have the stomach:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/22/guantanamos-darkest-secret

sidd

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on April 18, 2019, 10:03:51 AM
Kangaroo courts in Kafka narratives:

"the judge overseeing the proceedings did not appear to be impartial. "

"pursuing a job at the Justice Department while simultaneously presiding over the case against Abd Al-Rahim Al-Nashiri"

"Criminal justice is a shared responsibility. Yet in this case, save for Al-Nashiri’s defense counsel, all elements of the military commission system—from the prosecution team to the Justice Department to the [Court of Military Commission Review] to the judge himself—failed to live up to that responsibility"

"we cannot dismiss Spath’s lapse as a one-time aberration ... not the first meritorious request for recusal that our court has considered "

"the government is seeking the death penalty"

"ruling will void about 460 written orders Spath issued as well as an untold number of oral rulings, including rulings he issued against defense attorneys "

"any trial for Nashiri, an alleged al-Qaida operative, will likely come more than two decades after his alleged crime. "

"upholding the legitimacy of the process had to take precedence over speed"

" no one within the military commission system … did anything even after they came to light"

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/16/guantanamo-military-tribunal-1277790

Hey, look. My tax dollars at work.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on April 30, 2019, 10:21:14 PM
Lock em up til they die: no trials for the tortured

" the DOD is preparing its 40 remaining forever prisoners at the extralegal detention center of Guantanamo Bay for nursing home and hospice care "

"these final prisoners are never being released ...  DOD is simply planning to keep these folks under lock and key forever. The reason why is more than a little unsettling: most were tortured into confessions that can’t be used in a jury trial"

"almost no one cares."

"a great author – Dostoyevsky – once wrote, presciently, that "The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons." Well, if that’s true than God help the collective American soul."

"Don’t look for any courage on Capitol Hill, you’ll be searching indefinitely."

"locking foreigners up and throwing away the key makes perfect sense because, after all, we now live in the United States of Incarceration. "

"The Russians took a bit longer, and also worked many Nazi soldiers to death, but even they, after some ten years, released the survivors."

"the evidence demonstrates that yes, apparently, this is who Americans want to be"

Read and weep:

https://original.antiwar.com/Danny_Sjursen/2019/04/29/the-united-states-of-incarceration/

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on May 22, 2019, 06:30:24 AM
Well, well, well. Torture psychologists subpoenaed for Guantanamo trial. Wonder how they'll squirm outta testimony this time.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/architects-post-9-11-cia-interrogation-program-testify-221558849--politics.html

My tax dollars at work. Their contract specifies that CIA pay for their defense. And of course, I'm payin for the whole Guantanamo mess. And the ongoing torture in Bagram and Djibouti and ... and all the wars.

Makes me wanna go full Amish.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on June 11, 2019, 11:44:58 PM
War without end, amen.

"He's been sitting in Guantanamo Bay for 17 years, but the U.S. government has not charged him with any crimes. It doesn't appear to intend to charge him with anything, but it also refuses to release him ... "

"al-Alwi faces the real prospect that he will spend the rest of his life in detention based on his status as an enemy combatant a generation ago"

https://reason.com/2019/06/10/supreme-court-wont-reconsider-guantanamo-bays-indefinite-detentions/

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-court-guantanamo/yemeni-guantanamo-detainees-bid-for-release-rejected-by-u-s-supreme-court-idUKKCN1TB2EN

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on June 24, 2019, 05:49:39 AM
Deaths of despair: personal note

A friend and neighbour of mine is lying in a hospital bed, death expected within hours. Younger than me, but a much harder life. Beaten up with hard physical labour, exposure to chemicals, insane hours. Back out, both shoulders out, knees out. Worked all his life, uninsured, refused to seek medical help for cost reasons.

I could see he was slowing down, stacked some wood with him a month or two ago, he wasnt doin too well.  Went over monday afternoon, said his back hurt, said he twisted it moving a full crockpot. I learnt he was taken, protesting, to emergency tuesday morn, massive organ failure, liver and both kidneys. Liver was probably alcoholism, alcohol is a good painkiller. Kidneys were probably the chemicals.

Not a possible transplant recipient, one of the reasons being they cant afford post op drugs or other costs.

He woke up briefly wednesday morn, demanded to have all tubes removed, his wife backed him up. Right now they're filling him up with painkiller, unconscious.

This is a strange and terrible land.

sidd
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: b_lumenkraft on June 24, 2019, 06:13:09 AM
they cant afford post op drugs or other costs

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refused to seek medical help for cost reasons.

Only in America!

Worked hard his whole life and society refuses to help him when he gets ill. This is worse than the dark ages.

Civilisation when?

I'm so fucking sad right now.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: Human Habitat Index on June 24, 2019, 07:02:40 AM
On average, other wealthy countries spend about half as much per person on health than the U.S. spends

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-average-wealthy-countries-spend-half-much-per-person-health-u-s-spends

I wonder who benefits from this profligate spending on health care ?

Obviously not the average citizen.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: TerryM on July 04, 2019, 06:31:58 PM
As the US builds it's walls higher, the least those of us outside of them can do is to reinforce the walls and ensure that the gates remain locked - from our side.
Terry
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: oren on August 23, 2019, 03:36:29 PM
David Koch, 79, is dead.
Charles Koch, 83, still alive.
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: DrTskoul on August 23, 2019, 03:43:30 PM
One down, one to go ?? Am I too dark?? Or good riddance is in order?
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: kassy on August 23, 2019, 03:53:42 PM
He has three kids so the math is probably wrong.  ::)

Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: vox_mundi on August 23, 2019, 04:01:05 PM
(https://wp-media.patheos.com/blogs/sites/719/2017/12/Wiley-Non-Sequitur-Camel-Needle-Heaven.png)
Matthew 19:24
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: kassy on August 23, 2019, 04:06:01 PM
Thanks for sharing your collection of cartoons.
Smiling is good.  :)
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: DrTskoul on August 23, 2019, 04:43:46 PM
He has three kids so the math is probably wrong.  ::)

Good thing that the children of these type of men rarely rise to the levels of their fathers IQ and capability (look at trump's)
Title: Re: Qué se ficieron ?
Post by: sidd on December 10, 2019, 01:38:42 AM
Denbeaux et al. at Seton Hall on torture, victims, torturers: consequences and the lack thereof

I attach an image. Note the copyright holder. Read the report if you have the stomach.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3494533

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/06/seto-d06.html

"He was subjected to treatment so egregious that the CIA sought and received official governmental assurances that their prisoner would ‘remain in isolation and incommunicado for the remainder of his life.'  "

https://www.shu.edu/news/law-school-report-on-u-s-program.cfm

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