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AGW in general => Consequences => Topic started by: Cate on April 07, 2016, 09:44:23 PM

Title: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on April 07, 2016, 09:44:23 PM
Maiden post for me, wasn't sure where to put this, so apologies if it's been posted elsewhere already---couldn't find it on a search...

but it seems a consequence of AGW that business will want to capitalise on climate change in the Arctic, and what better way than to offer ultimate expeditions that include Arctic golfing?

Crystal Serenity. Book your passage now for the August-September 2016 maiden voyage, Anchorage to New York via Nunavut.

There are several pages of blurb at this site.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Needless to say, the Canadian Coast Guard are not amused.

Itinerary:
http://www.crystalcruises.com/northwest-passage-cruise/northwest-passage--6319 (http://www.crystalcruises.com/northwest-passage-cruise/northwest-passage--6319)

FAQs:
http://www.crystalcruises.com/ContentPage.aspx?ID=191 (http://www.crystalcruises.com/ContentPage.aspx?ID=191)

"Unexpected Adventures":
http://www.crystalcruises.com/ContentPage.aspx?ID=220 (http://www.crystalcruises.com/ContentPage.aspx?ID=220)

Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Neven on April 07, 2016, 11:06:51 PM
Welcome, Cate. I thought about writing a blog post about this with Asshole Cruise as a title, but I'll contemplate the idea again once I'm in a better mood.  ;)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Jim Hunt on April 08, 2016, 12:16:18 AM
Note that some more assholes have prompted me to already start analysing the NWP passage prospects for this year over at:

http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,762.msg73287.html#new (http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,762.msg73287.html#new)

Unfortunately in all the circumstances it looks like it might well be relatively plain sailing for the "Asshole Cruise Ship"
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on April 08, 2016, 12:25:26 AM
Thanks, Neven. Excellent title. Go for it!  ;D

This whole project is very concerning to anyone familiar with what ice can do to ships, not to mention what fossil fuels do to the Arctic environment. Here in Newfoundland, we know full well the hazards. This cruise looks like lunacy. A cruise ship with 1600 souls aboard in ice-infested, vaguely-charted waters many hundreds of kilometres beyond the reach of adequate SAR: what could possibly go wrong?

But they'll have their own ice-breaker.....following along behind.... *face palm*

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/cruise-ships-safety-northwest-passage-1.3518712 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/cruise-ships-safety-northwest-passage-1.3518712)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: DrTskoul on April 08, 2016, 01:23:22 AM
Thanks, Neven. Excellent title. Go for it!  ;D

This whole project is very concerning to anyone familiar with what ice can do to ships, not to mention what fossil fuels do to the Arctic environment. Here in Newfoundland, we know full well the hazards. This cruise looks like lunacy. A cruise ship with 1600 souls aboard in ice-infested, vaguely-charted waters many hundreds of kilometres beyond the reach of adequate SAR: what could possibly go wrong?

But they'll have their own ice-breaker.....following along behind.... *face palm*

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/cruise-ships-safety-northwest-passage-1.3518712 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/cruise-ships-safety-northwest-passage-1.3518712)

Titanic stupidity.....
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on June 17, 2016, 10:30:54 PM
So the RSS Shackleton has been contracted for ice-breaking surfaces, much to the dismay of those who feel that a research vessel probably could better spend her time  doing what the UK public pays her to do, which is, well, research.

Of far greater concern to me as a northern Canadian living on the shore of the Labrador Sea, the gateway to this new playground for the filthy cruising industry, is the prospect of our indigenous northern communities becoming, effectively, human zoos for the simultaneous horror and entertainment of the obscenely rich and terminally stupid, ie, cruise ship passengers.

>>>>>>>>>

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36541583 (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36541583)

"There is a significant tension between the science and environmental mission of the Shackleton and its participation in an exercise in tourism that has an enormous per capita carbon footprint," Prof Michael Byers from the University of British Columbia told BBC News.

Prof Byers, who holds a chair in global politics and international law, was invited on the trip to give a series of lectures to passengers. He refused, as he believes this summer's trip will only encourage others.

"This voyage is a significant contribution, at least on a per capita basis, to climate change by people who are going to see an ecosystem before it is destroyed by climate change. I find that irony quite terrible," he said.

One of the features of this year's voyage will be visits to small and remote communities in the Arctic during visits to port. Prof Michael Byers says this one of the most unappealing aspects of the journey.

"They (local populations) have endemic tuberculosis, sky high rates of diabetes, with people who are living in poverty and desperation," he said.
 
"The people who are coming off the cruise ships are not in the 1%, but in the 0.1% of the world's financial elite. It is another example of just how extreme this particular voyage is."

>>>>>>>>>>>




Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on July 31, 2016, 09:09:04 PM
UPDATE: CRYSTAL SERENITY is on schedule to depart Anchorage on 16 August for ports to NYC via the Northwest Passage.

According to a report by Global News, the ship is currently en route to Anchorage from Vancouver and back. She will finally depart Vancouver on 6 August for her grand expeditionary cruise, the first of its kind through the fabled NW Passage.

Btw, if you're one of the passengers----today is your last chance to order gear packages to be delivered directly to the ship. Packages contain all the outfits you will need for your grand Arctic expedition. Several colour choices are available. Please note that you'll probably have to supply your own tennis gear, swimsuits, and formal dining wear. 

http://globalnews.ca/news/2851884/super-luxury-cruise-ship-crystal-serenity-northwest-passage-vancouver/ (http://globalnews.ca/news/2851884/super-luxury-cruise-ship-crystal-serenity-northwest-passage-vancouver/)

"The 32-day voyage goes from Anchorage, around the top horn of Alaska, across the top of Northwest Territories and Nunavut, around the north end of Baffin Island, to Greenland, and down the Atlantic coast."

.......Now, where did I put that *vomit* emoticon?
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: charles_oil on July 31, 2016, 09:35:25 PM
Swimsuits seem optimistic even in the "warming" waters !
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Neven on July 31, 2016, 09:36:24 PM
Why, don't they heat the upper deck pool?
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: TerryM on July 31, 2016, 09:52:33 PM
I hope all the passengers and crew have obtained valid passports. The US may consider the NWP to be international waters, but Canada claims it as her own.
Wouldn't want an incident with Canadian Rangers to mar an otherwise pleasant sojourn.
Terry
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 02, 2016, 12:19:54 AM
There is a blog. Of course there is a blog. There had to be a blog. 

http://blog.crystalcruises.com/northwest-passage-cruise-experts/ (http://blog.crystalcruises.com/northwest-passage-cruise-experts/)

Most of it is gee-whizzy, the-planet-is-our-playground! aren't we special!? gushing stuff.

But this did catch my eye: you will, says Blog, "learn how to maneuver your kayak through floating ice."

 ???

So who else wants to scream, What other kind of ice is there, bright spot?

Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 02, 2016, 06:24:49 PM
Industry article on ice navigation dangers for the Crystal Serenity in the NWP, and the capabilities of the system the owners have installed.

She is btw a "non-ice-class cruise ship."

http://maritime-executive.com/features/crystal-serenitys-new-ice-navigation-capabilities (http://maritime-executive.com/features/crystal-serenitys-new-ice-navigation-capabilities)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 04, 2016, 02:16:16 AM
Good overview of the pro/con issues around Crystal Serenity cruising the NWP:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/travel/arctic-cruise-northwest-passage-greenpeace.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/travel/arctic-cruise-northwest-passage-greenpeace.html?_r=0)

I hope it's okay for me to file this stuff here----in the interests of documenting this rather noteworthy voyage.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 07, 2016, 06:23:28 PM
Interesting speculation here on the current state of the coastal drift ice at Point Barrow and how Crystal Serenity might be tasked with handling that, although she won't have to deal with that until some time after her departure from Seward on August 16.

http://arcticnorthwestpassage.blogspot.ca/2016/08/cruise-ship-crystal-serenity-stopped-on.html?view=magazine# (http://arcticnorthwestpassage.blogspot.ca/2016/08/cruise-ship-crystal-serenity-stopped-on.html?view=magazine#)!/2016/08/cruise-ship-crystal-serenity-stopped-on.html
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 07, 2016, 06:44:27 PM
http://arcticjournal.com/opinion/2476/thinking-about-search-and-rescue-bottom (http://arcticjournal.com/opinion/2476/thinking-about-search-and-rescue-bottom)

If the unthinkable happens, and the passengers, however doughty, end up in lifeboats in the middle of the NWP in September...

Jessica M Shadian, Nansen Professor at the Uni of Akureyri, Iceland, writes:

"In an incident....involving a stricken tourist ship, a coast guard and a local indigenous community, responsibility for compensation cannot be adequately accounted for by existing domestic or international law. What would result if a ship (likely flagged in another country) has an emergency which results in its passengers utilising all of a local community’s provisions? Who is responsible and who oversees the responsibility?"


Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: charles_oil on August 18, 2016, 12:34:01 PM
See attached report -departure imminent:

https://gcaptain.com/worlds-most-dangerous-cruise-1070-passenger-ship-to-enter-northwest-passage/ (https://gcaptain.com/worlds-most-dangerous-cruise-1070-passenger-ship-to-enter-northwest-passage/)

Their onboard cameras show "En Route to Dutch Harbour"

http://www.crystalcruises.com/cruises/cruise-guidebook/our-ships/crystal-serenity/live-views/ (http://www.crystalcruises.com/cruises/cruise-guidebook/our-ships/crystal-serenity/live-views/)

Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Tor Bejnar on August 18, 2016, 09:44:52 PM
Crystal Serenity - Crystal Cruises
Ship Tracker / Tracking Map Live
http://www.cruisin.me/cruise-ship-tracker/crystal-cruises/crystal-serenity.php (http://www.cruisin.me/cruise-ship-tracker/crystal-cruises/crystal-serenity.php)

headed for Bar Harbor (I presume Maine, USA)
Note says location was 16 hours 37 minutes ago.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Jim Hunt on August 18, 2016, 10:03:42 PM
SailWX seems to be more up to date:

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shipposition.phtml?call=C6SY3 (http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shipposition.phtml?call=C6SY3)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 19, 2016, 10:02:35 PM
Marine Traffic has the ship's position as of a couple minutes ago.  (Still in Dutch Harbor, Alaska.)

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:375062/mmsi:311536000/vessel:CRYSTAL%20SERENITY (http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:375062/mmsi:311536000/vessel:CRYSTAL%20SERENITY)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 20, 2016, 03:12:19 AM
Itinerary onward from Dutch Harbour:

21 Aug Nome
27 Aug Uluhaktok, Victoria Island (Amundsen Gulf)
29 Aug Cambridge Bay, Victoria Island (Coronation Gulf)
4 Sept Pond Inlet, Baffin Island
7 Sept Ilulissat, Greenland
9 Sept Nuuk, Greenland

thence US ports to NYC, due 21 Sept
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 20, 2016, 03:14:20 AM
Crystal Serenity - Crystal Cruises
Ship Tracker / Tracking Map Live
http://www.cruisin.me/cruise-ship-tracker/crystal-cruises/crystal-serenity.php (http://www.cruisin.me/cruise-ship-tracker/crystal-cruises/crystal-serenity.php)

headed for Bar Harbor (I presume Maine, USA)
Note says location was 16 hours 37 minutes ago.

Yes, Bar Harbour is her first US port of call after Nuuk on 9 Sept.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 20, 2016, 03:24:48 AM
RSS Ernest Shackleton will escort Crystal Serenity through the NWP.

I've been trolling the various shipping-trackers online, trying to find Shackleton's current position with not much luck. 

I wish there was a vessel-tracker as good as FlightRadar 24!

Latest I can find shows her on Aug 10 in St John's, Newfoundland, with next destination Holman, which Google Maps shows as being in the Uluhaktok area. So presumably the Shackleton is/will soon be traversing the NWP to meet up with CS on Aug 27 at Uluhaktok?

https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/ERNEST-SHACKLETON-IMO-9114256-MMSI-740357000 (https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/ERNEST-SHACKLETON-IMO-9114256-MMSI-740357000)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 20, 2016, 06:09:30 PM
Live cams from the Crystal Serenity bridge.
Views forward, to port and starboard. Also a blog of sorts.

I reckon the cams will prove interesting when she gets into the meat of the NWP.

http://www.crystalcruises.com/cruises/cruise-guidebook/our-ships/crystal-serenity/live-views (http://www.crystalcruises.com/cruises/cruise-guidebook/our-ships/crystal-serenity/live-views)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Jim Hunt on August 20, 2016, 07:50:43 PM
I've been trolling the various shipping-trackers online, trying to find Shackleton's current position with not much luck. 

SailWX to the rescue again: http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shipposition.phtml?call=ZDLS1 (http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shipposition.phtml?call=ZDLS1)

Crystal Serenity as an added bonus:
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: ghoti on August 20, 2016, 10:57:57 PM
Wow that was a very quick run through that part of the passage! Makes it very clear that ice isn't an issue this year.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Jim Hunt on August 21, 2016, 12:14:33 AM
You may find my own musings on the topic interesting:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/ (http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/)

In particular there's over two hours of video of testimony before the Congressional Subcommittee on Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation concerning the Arctic in general and the cruise of Crystal Serenity in particular. According to Admiral Charles Michel:

Quote
Things change up there dramatically even during the summer. The weather is an incredible challenge, so this is not an easy category for a voyage.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 21, 2016, 02:18:37 AM
Wow that was a very quick run through that part of the passage! Makes it very clear that ice isn't an issue this year.

Not for Shackleton---she's an icebreaker, so even in drift ice she'd be able to maintain good speed, as long as there is no compaction that would be significant enough to impede passage.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 21, 2016, 07:16:34 PM
Inuit fear they will be overwhelmed as ‘extinction tourism’ descends on Arctic
Visit of giant cruise ship will bring money and tourists to the Northwest Passage, but fears grow for the area’s people and its ecosystem
Quote
This is extinction tourism,” said international law expert Professor Michael Byers, of the University of British Columbia. “Making this trip has only become possible because carbon emissions have so warmed the atmosphere that Arctic sea ice in summer is disappearing. The terrible irony is that this ship – which even has a helicopter for sightseeing and a huge staff-to-passenger ratio – has an enormous carbon footprint that is only going to make things even worse in the Arctic.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/20/inuit-arctic-ecosystem-extinction-tourism-crystal-serenity (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/20/inuit-arctic-ecosystem-extinction-tourism-crystal-serenity)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 22, 2016, 04:07:43 AM


The CS blog, for anyone who can bear to read it.  (http://blog.crystalcruises.com/dutch-harbor-more-than-remotely-famous/)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: budmantis on August 22, 2016, 06:52:12 AM


The CS blog, for anyone who can bear to read it.
 (http://blog.crystalcruises.com/dutch-harbor-more-than-remotely-famous/)

Had to take a look. I wish them well, but the idea of commercial shipping in the NW Passage just makes me want to retch.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: silkman on August 23, 2016, 12:28:45 AM
Crystal Serenity has just passed through the Bering Strait and into the Chukchi.



Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Jim Hunt on August 23, 2016, 02:00:03 PM
There seems to be a queue of icebreakers forming to assist Crystal Serenity past her first minor problem:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/#Aug-23 (http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/#Aug-23)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 23, 2016, 06:23:16 PM
There seems to be a queue of icebreakers forming to assist Crystal Serenity past her first minor problem:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/#Aug-23 (http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/#Aug-23)

Getting interesting already. I wonder what was the density of the icefield Titanic encountered on the Grand Banks in April---probably similar.....? While this field will not likely have any bergs as such, they will have to look out for any MYI bergy bits and growlers in the mix. That's hard stuff on an unreinforced hull. I guess he'll be inching along. Excellent blog post, Jim, thanks for the link. 
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: TerryM on August 23, 2016, 06:55:50 PM
Hope they forgo walrus watching opportunities at Hanna Shoals. It might not take much to dislodge any of the ice there that the tuskers seem to be so drawn to.


Terry
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Andreas T on August 23, 2016, 09:47:14 PM
...... I wonder what was the density of the icefield Titanic encountered on the Grand Banks in April---probably similar.....? While this field will not likely have any bergs as such, they will have to look out for any MYI bergy bits and growlers in the mix. That's hard stuff on an unreinforced hull. I guess he'll be inching along. .....
What Titanic encountered was a piece of Greenland glacier not sea ice, a very different thing and a single iceberg which would count as a very low ice concentration has a very different impact on a ship because of its mass and probably more solid (less porous) ice.
Running at speed into a remnant of a consolidated ridge of sea ice could do damage to Crystal Serenity too I would think but why make the nonsensical comparison in terms of ice concentration?
The interesting question is how good the radar and other sensors are which are on board at spotting individual chunks of ice away from an ice field which would have a stronger signature.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 24, 2016, 03:40:23 AM
Andreas T, agreed, your comment on Titanic.

Not sure why my comment about concentration is nonsensical. CS would have to take care even in 3/10, because if the sea-ice this year is as fractured and jumbled as the data indicates, would it be surprising to find the harder MYI ice mixed in with the younger ice? I suppose the captain would err on the side of caution and reduce speed in that case, and yes, the ship will have to rely on her pilots and her ice-finding technology. 
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Jim Hunt on August 29, 2016, 06:40:10 PM
Crystal Serenity and her escort have now reached Cambridge Bay without mishap:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/#Aug-29 (http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/#Aug-29)

There's no ice or waves to be seen!
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Jim Hunt on August 30, 2016, 09:38:17 PM
Crystal Serenity has finally tracked down some sea ice, and a polar bear:

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/#Aug-30 (http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/#Aug-30)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 31, 2016, 02:33:28 AM
http://blog.crystalcruises.com/cambridge-bay-northwest-passage/ (http://blog.crystalcruises.com/cambridge-bay-northwest-passage/)

The zodiacs full of one-percenters crowd around a solitary polar bear.




Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Darvince on August 31, 2016, 08:43:43 AM
That's the first image that I've been actively disgusted by in this cruise...
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Neven on August 31, 2016, 01:40:39 PM
Extinction tourism, indeed. It's revolting.  :(

Thanks for posting, Cate!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: crandles on August 31, 2016, 03:18:05 PM
Are you also revolted by all safaris?

No expert on polar bears but what I have seen suggests to me that they are curious and not at all freaked out by encountering new things. This seems likely to be a rare encounter for this bear even if the frequency of such cruises increases quite dramatically.

So should Safari holidays draw more criticism than this? Or perhaps Safaris are OK because they provide income to local people whereas this only provides income to wealthy western company?

I wouldn't like to see the polar bear surrounded in all directions so I do have some concerns about what is shown. Safari seeking timid animals seems worse than this.

Also is
http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2016/08/13/a-vessel-normally-dedicated-to-science-should-not-be-enabling-tourism-in-an-area-like-the-arctic-acknowledged-by-many-to-be-one-of-the-most-vulnerable-areas-to-climate-change/#comments (http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2016/08/13/a-vessel-normally-dedicated-to-science-should-not-be-enabling-tourism-in-an-area-like-the-arctic-acknowledged-by-many-to-be-one-of-the-most-vulnerable-areas-to-climate-change/#comments)

disgusting for not finding the trip disgusting?

Trip does have high carbon footprint, but would you rather wealthy people spent money on this trip or some other activities they could spend their money on like perhaps racing high performance cars around tracks or ......
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Neven on August 31, 2016, 03:48:52 PM
Are you also revolted by all safaris?

Yes, I am. Especially if they post selfies with killed animals. It was fun when Robert Redford and Meryl Streep did it. Now, it's no longer original. Stay home, tend your garden. Plenty of safari going on there.

All environmental tourism is wrong, because it springs forth from the consumer-ego culture, which is at the root of all problems. People think that it's okay because everybody is doing it. It's not. It's wrong. It's evil.

BTW, I don't think it's a real polar bear. I think someone from the animation team put on a polar bear suit.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 31, 2016, 09:14:34 PM
Worth at least 10,000 words---or maybe just a handful of really big ones. 
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 31, 2016, 09:17:04 PM
The top one percent meets the bottom one percent.

Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on August 31, 2016, 09:34:46 PM
With regard to revenue trickling down to local artisans as the wealthy stock up on Inuit art and craft---a very important income stream in many northern communities---the promise didn't really pan out in Cambridge Bay, sadly. 

"Some Inuit artists hoping to cash in on the huge influx of tourists on the Crystal Serenity this year were disappointed by the large number of American passengers — who have been banned from taking home seal and other marine mammal products since the 1970s."

85% of the passengers are American, who because of import bans had to pass over products made with Arctic ivory and sealskin. This included much of the jewellery.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/crystal-serenity-american-tourists-banned-sealskin-art-1.3741804 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/crystal-serenity-american-tourists-banned-sealskin-art-1.3741804)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Andreas T on August 31, 2016, 11:05:05 PM
From the track shown at the Crystal Serenity site http://www.crystalcruises.com/cruises/cruise-guidebook/our-ships/crystal-serenity/live-views (http://www.crystalcruises.com/cruises/cruise-guidebook/our-ships/crystal-serenity/live-views) it has crossed through Bellot strait and I am surprised to see icebergs on their bridge camera
Is there another source for these tabular icebergs than Greenland? I thought that the predominant direction of drift is west to east in Lancaster sound (that is how  broken sea ice has been travelling) so I am not clear how bergs from Greenland would make their way there.

My earlier comment about "concentration of the ice field" is illustrated there: what is seen in the photo is very low concentration as area percentage and as an ice field it does not show up on AMSR2. But hitting this low concentration would have worse consequences than running into some of the higher concentration rubble seen elsewhere I would think. But maybe I just overreacted to a casual remark by Cate.


Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: budmantis on August 31, 2016, 11:11:24 PM
Great pictures, Cate and Andreas T.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: charles_oil on August 31, 2016, 11:49:50 PM
A video by the Coastguard - aware of the changes they are clearly keen to help the new traffic in the new era of reducing ice in the arctic !

https://gcaptain.com/video-uscg-pivots-arctic-operations/
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 01, 2016, 12:13:35 AM
Great pictures, Cate and Andreas T.

I am  very much a newbie observer, unlike the many others on this forum who have been watching and discussing the ice for years, but I have read a bit on polar exploration, and what strikes me most about these bridge cam views is the almost total absence of ice in this area.

Thinking of Franklin, of Davis, of Henry Hudson, of Amundsen, Peary, Bob Bartlett, and so many others, and of all their brave crews---this was their reason for living, and sometimes dying, this is the notorious NW Passage, for goodness sake! and this giant cruise ship has had clear sailing all the way so far----and probably will, right to Nuuk, from what I can see on Explorer, anyway.

Andreas, excellent question about the source of the ice in the photo you posted---the tabular piece on the right, and the taller and more stereotypically shaped iceberg on the left.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: budmantis on September 01, 2016, 01:00:07 AM
Great pictures, Cate and Andreas T.

Thinking of Franklin, of Davis, of Henry Hudson, of Amundsen, Peary, Bob Bartlett, and sp  many others, and of all their brave crews---this was their reason for living, and sometimes dying, this is the notorious NW Passage, for goodness sake! and this giant cruise ship has had clear sailing all the way so far----and probably will, right to Nuuk, from what I can see on Explorer, anyway.


The picture of the polar bear and the cruise ship in the background is striking and a sad testament to what we've done to our planet. The expedition of the Northabout is in keeping with the traditions of the people you name in the above paragraph. The cruise ship on the other hand reeks of commercialism and to me, has no place in the arctic.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 01, 2016, 01:49:38 AM
budmantis, agreed completely.

I may be wrong, but I think that for Canadians in particular---of a certain age, at any rate---the NW Passage represents the entire dynamic of our country. Canada is a nation founded through courageous exploration in a frigid, hostile climate. My generation, who grew up when history was still taught in schools, learned to see our northern expanses and Arctic shorelines---and their peoples---as the core of the Canadian soul.

This is for all fans of polar exploration and of true modern-day expeditions like the valiant Northabout, and for anyone who may not yet have heard of the great Stan Rogers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVY8LoM47xI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVY8LoM47xI)
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Post by: budmantis on September 01, 2016, 01:58:01 AM
My heritage is French-Canadian. I still have cousins in Quebec and have visited Quebec city a few times. It is a great and beautiful country.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: TerryM on September 01, 2016, 03:02:09 AM
Cate


The polar bear & foreign ship photo might be used to generate some heat under the seats of our politicians. I hope the Rangers fire a shot across her bow. There is a precedent for such an action.
Send them back to Alaska!


Sorry, but it's the Canadian NWP
Terry
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 01, 2016, 03:36:15 PM
Terry, yep, our NWP, our waters. Not international waters. Too bad our PM is too busy schmoozing with China to say anything about it. Like, "Welcome to Canada!" ;)

Just watching CS today---she's hanging a hard left into Lancaster Sound....hmmm. Perhaps killing a bit of that extra time they built into the schedule in case of encountering sea ice--which didn't happen?

The bridge cams are showing some massive and spectacular landforms ahead and to starboard as she rounds the SW corner of Devon Island.

Next port of call, Pond Inlet, Sept 4. 
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Post by: Neven on September 01, 2016, 05:22:13 PM
Just watching CS today---she's hanging a hard left into Lancaster Sound....hmmm. Perhaps killing a bit of that extra time they built into the schedule in case of encountering sea ice--which didn't happen?

Looks like some time this week, members of the animation team will don their penguin suits early in the morning and get on an ice floe. The passengers can then pay the additional entertainment fee for a couple of boats, guns and selfie sticks. Wait till the folks at home see this!
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: budmantis on September 01, 2016, 08:18:23 PM
Just watching CS today---she's hanging a hard left into Lancaster Sound....hmmm. Perhaps killing a bit of that extra time they built into the schedule in case of encountering sea ice--which didn't happen?

Looks like some time this week, members of the animation team will don their penguin suits early in the morning and get on an ice floe. The passengers can then pay the additional entertainment fee for a couple of boats, guns and selfie sticks. Wait till the folks at home see this!

Hmm. I wonder how many passengers on the cruise know there are no penguins in the arctic?
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 02, 2016, 12:11:56 PM
The one-percenters and their "unexpected adventure" of trampling around on Beechey Island, sacred to the memory of the Franklin expedition.

"Upon landing on Beechey Island, one’s eyes are immediately drawn to the highest point on the beach. It’s not a grove of trees or a welcome sign. It’s a row of tombstones. They mark the graves of a few men from John Franklin’s unsuccessful expedition to find the Northwest Passage in 1845. All 130 crewmembers and their captains perished, mostly from starvation and illness, not far from this spot. It’s easy to imagine the skeletal remains, forlorn and frozen, scattered around Starvation Cove."

http://blog.crystalcruises.com/unexpected-adventures-part-ii-beechey-island/ (http://blog.crystalcruises.com/unexpected-adventures-part-ii-beechey-island/)



Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 02, 2016, 12:15:59 PM
Zodiacs crowd in on him from one side, while on the other side lurks the mother ship.



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Post by: Polynya88 on September 02, 2016, 04:24:56 PM
From the track shown at the Crystal Serenity site http://www.crystalcruises.com/cruises/cruise-guidebook/our-ships/crystal-serenity/live-views (http://www.crystalcruises.com/cruises/cruise-guidebook/our-ships/crystal-serenity/live-views) it has crossed through Bellot strait and I am surprised to see icebergs on their bridge camera
Is there another source for these tabular icebergs than Greenland? I thought that the predominant direction of drift is west to east in Lancaster sound (that is how  broken sea ice has been travelling) so I am not clear how bergs from Greenland would make their way there.

My earlier comment about "concentration of the ice field" is illustrated there: what is seen in the photo is very low concentration as area percentage and as an ice field it does not show up on AMSR2. But hitting this low concentration would have worse consequences than running into some of the higher concentration rubble seen elsewhere I would think. But maybe I just overreacted to a casual remark by Cate.

Actually, in Lancaster Sound there is a west-flowing current along the north side, then it peters out near the west end of Devon Island, where there is then a very light south-flowing current coming out of Wellington Channel. Along the south side of Lancaster sound there is an east-flowing current, but during periods of Open Water northerly winds will occasionally drive bergs down into Prince Regent Inlet - as you see in the pics. Icebergs frozen into the Fast Ice south of Resolute Bay in winter are not uncommon.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 02, 2016, 07:32:38 PM
First sea ice, then polar bears, now glaciers.

The one-percenters are having a good nosey around a Devon Island glacier today. Maybe they'll see a gigantic calving up close! Real close. We can only hope. What an "unexpected adventure" that would be to "capture" on your phone!

 :P
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 03, 2016, 11:04:56 PM
CBC report: idiot one-percenters complain that there's not enough ice in the Arctic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ4YFDQHPSE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ4YFDQHPSE)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: budmantis on September 03, 2016, 11:55:17 PM
CBC report: idiot one-percenters complain that there's not enough ice in the Arctic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ4YFDQHPSE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ4YFDQHPSE)

We wouldn't want to disappoint the one percenters now, would we?
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 04, 2016, 05:06:37 PM
Blogpost from the Top to Top Global Climate Expedition:
Pachamama meets CS, and reflections on cruising the Arctic.

Thanks to Jim Hunt's blog for the link to the link.

https://toptotop.org/2016/09/01/1st-cruise-ship/
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Post by: Jim Hunt on September 04, 2016, 07:17:56 PM
Blogpost from the Top to Top Global Climate Expedition:

Pachamama has successfully made it through the Fury & Hecla Strait. Crystal Serenity took the easier route via Pond Inlet!

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/772479052888285184
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 04, 2016, 10:13:33 PM
Blogpost from the Top to Top Global Climate Expedition:

Pachamama has successfully made it through the Fury & Hecla Strait. Crystal Serenity took the easier route via Pond Inlet!

https://twitter.com/GreatWhiteCon/status/772479052888285184

Amazing---I hope they post pics.

Speaking of which---wrt Crystal Serenity, I have to admit, it would be nice for the record to have pics or vid of the largest ship ever traversing Bellot Strait.  Maybe someone on the Shackleton has a blog....?
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Post by: Jim Hunt on September 04, 2016, 11:10:38 PM
wrt Crystal Serenity, I have to admit, it would be nice for the record to have pics or vid of the largest ship ever traversing Bellot Strait.  Maybe someone on the Shackleton has a blog....?

I have a blog!

http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/#Aug-31 (http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/#Aug-31)
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Post by: Cate on September 05, 2016, 12:10:55 AM
Jim, indeed, and I follow it with interest!---and referenced it in my post #63 above.

I assume the photo is the CS in Bellot Strait, bridge cam view?
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Post by: Jim Hunt on September 05, 2016, 11:53:39 AM
Jim, indeed, and I follow it with interest!---and referenced it in my post #63 above.

You are most kind Cate. I didn't mean to imply that you were unaware of my blog. Merely that you appeared to be unaware that I had posted a selfie of CS in Bellot Strait on August 30th.

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I assume the photo is the CS in Bellot Strait, bridge cam view?

It is indeed.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 05, 2016, 01:38:26 PM
Jim, hehe, selfie indeed. I confess I don't check your blog EVERY day---but I do try to keep up. :D

What I'd love to see is a Shackleton's-eye-view of the CS in the strait.  It is after all one for the record books.   
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 10, 2016, 03:38:59 AM
The NSIDC say the CS sailed through the NWP in less than three weeks? Say, from Barrow on Aug 25 to Baffin Bay on Sept 4, I make the NWP part of the voyage more like ten days.

Chris Mooney on implications for the Arctic:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/09/09/first-came-an-arctic-luxury-cruise-next-comes-arctic-shipping/?utm_term=.6fd9c69925dc (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/09/09/first-came-an-arctic-luxury-cruise-next-comes-arctic-shipping/?utm_term=.6fd9c69925dc)

Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 10, 2016, 03:42:13 AM
"...experiencing things before crazy humans destroy it....": Bob Lentz, CS passenger.

CS passengers do not do irony.

http://phys.org/news/2016-09-giant-cruise-ship-historic-voyage.html (http://phys.org/news/2016-09-giant-cruise-ship-historic-voyage.html)
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Post by: budmantis on September 10, 2016, 06:32:02 AM
Perhaps the Crystal Serenity is a "ship of fools"?
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Post by: Ninebelowzero on September 10, 2016, 07:37:49 AM
Give it a few more years of change and there will be  big cats and trimarans regularly racing "round the pole"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiVhXTtAKRU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiVhXTtAKRU)
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Post by: RoxTheGeologist on September 10, 2016, 05:55:40 PM

1%? I'd guess a significant % of the people posting in this forum are in the global top 1% for wealth. All you need to do is own your own home in California for 10 years and you fall into the bracket. 34m people in the US have a net worth more than $1m. It certainly doesn't mean you can afford to cruise the NW passage on the CS during your cushy retirement.

I think you might be talking about the 0.36% threshold...

http://fortune.com/2015/10/14/1-percent-global-wealth-credit-suisse/ (http://fortune.com/2015/10/14/1-percent-global-wealth-credit-suisse/)
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 10, 2016, 09:47:49 PM
Rox, no doubt you are correct. I haven't done the math and am not a scientist. I use the term "one-percenter" colloquially in the Occupy tradition, to signify people who have more money than they know what to do with, and certainly a lot more money than concern for the Arctic and climate change. But yes, it's lazy to say "one-percenter" when "zero point thirty-six percenter" is more accurate. :)

Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: sidd on September 11, 2016, 05:38:46 AM
"34m people in the US have a net worth more than $1m"

I shan't use fortune as a source since i refuse to lower advertising/malware protection as the site requires.

From wikipedia: Credit Suisse Report - Wealth Distribution & Gini (2013) table
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth

USA over 1 million US$  5.5 m people.

Lot of them intermarried ...

Perhaps lets just say anyone who throws down more than 20 odd K US$ on a cruise exacerbating global warming and eco impact is up there in terms of disposable cash, and down there in terms of moral standing.

sidd
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Sigmetnow on September 18, 2016, 04:17:43 PM
Apocalypse Tourism? Cruising the Melting Arctic Ocean
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...When the Crystal Serenity emerged free and clear of the maze on Sept. 5, there were no accounts of scurvy or cannibalism, only tales of bingeing on themed buffets and grumbles from shutterbugs about the Arctic’s monotonous landscape.

Operated by Crystal Cruises, the Serenity became on that day the first passenger liner to successfully ply the Northwest Passage. As climate change melts Arctic sea ice twice as fast as models predicted, more and larger ships have made their way along these fatal shores. In 2013, the Nordic Orion was the first bulk cargo carrier to transit the Passage, hauling a load of coal.

Rates on the Serenity started at around $22,000 per person. For that, passengers were anointed, by Slate, “the world’s worst people”—for venturing into a vulnerable ecosystem in a diesel-burning, 69,000-ton behemoth. Canada’s National Post described the cruise as an “invasion” of indigenous communities. Britain’s Telegraph hinted at Titanic hubris, asking, Is this “the world’s most dangerous cruise”?
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-crystal-serenity-northwest-passage-cruise/ (https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-crystal-serenity-northwest-passage-cruise/)
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Post by: Cate on September 19, 2016, 12:35:39 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/new-rules-for-arctic-cruises-1.3767846 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/new-rules-for-arctic-cruises-1.3767846)

"The Nunavut government is already considering rules to reduce the community impact of giant ships such as the Crystal Serenity....

The new rules would limit the number of passengers that would visit a community at any one time. The regulations would also require cruise operators to distribute guidelines to their clients and require the companies to detail the economic benefits they generate."

Visitors are important to Northern communities because of the cash they bring in, which they spend mainly on local art and craft---which they can purchase relatively cheaply direct from the makers. Northern art and craft fetches many times the local price when sold in southern galleries and shops. CS passengers spent $110,000 in Cambridge Bay (pop 1500). An average of about $100 per passenger. Hey, big spenders.
Title: Re: cruising the Northwest Passage, anyone?
Post by: Cate on September 20, 2016, 05:29:35 PM
Extinction tourism threatens Arctic communities and the Inuit way of life.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/20/inuit-arctic-ecosystem-extinction-tourism-crystal-serenity (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/20/inuit-arctic-ecosystem-extinction-tourism-crystal-serenity)