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Title: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: OldLeatherneck on May 15, 2016, 03:29:23 PM
Donald Trump is a well renowned "Climate Change Denier" and I fear that if he were to be elected, there would be no  chance that the US would take any actions to mitigate AGW/CC.

As an American, I'm embarrassed that one of our major political parties has stooped so low as to nominate him to be their candidate!!

If you really want to know what I think about "The Donald", here it is:

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Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Theta on May 15, 2016, 05:24:57 PM
He'll make the.second great dying great again
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: misanthroptimist on May 20, 2016, 11:05:43 AM
What's truly sad, OL, is that Hillary is only better in the "understands" categories and may be worse actually in the aggregate. It's tough to say for sure since she changes positions depending on audience. Neither appear to have any core beliefs, philosophy, character, or concern for others. Either will be a disaster.

It's an excellent year to vote third-party. I recommend going Green. :)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on May 20, 2016, 12:48:37 PM
As an Independent voter (not Republican...and not Democrat).....I appreciate you putting this subject on the site.  You see, the atmosphere couldn't care less what my ideology is (I'm a fiscal conservative and a social moderate).

I also see that Bill Nye has entered the fray.....taking on global warming and encouraging voters to make a difference this year:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-nye/why-i-choose-to-challenge_b_10048224.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-nye/why-i-choose-to-challenge_b_10048224.html)

Note that Bill Nye mentions the "Patriot Post" in that article.  This is an ultra conservative site that Joe Bastardi has posted his rubbish to for many years.  In fact....Joe posted an article in which he said:  "The same outlet that is now actively touting man-made global warming (which one isn’t?) was not singing the same tune in the 1970s, and this Time magazine cover from April 9, 1977 proves it."

Well.....not exactly.  In fact...not at all.  Joe apparently either photoshopped or used someone else's photoshopped the April 9, 2007 Time cover.....which actually stated:  "The Global Warming Survival Guide".....and then changed the date to 1977 and changed the title to:  "How To Survive The Coming Ice Age."

You see...Joe Bastardi works for the fossil fuel companies.  He travels around the country giving his dog and pony show to any denier group that wants to hear him.  His company also receives "fees" for a subscription to "weather forecasting."  I wonder how many of those companies paying "fees" are paying because of his spewing of climate lies....and not his forecasting?  Remember....Joe is the guy who predicted in 2010 that the ice was going to start recovering and eventually go back to the levels in the 1970's.  NOT much of a forecaster.  Here is the 5 minute youtube clip:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G-ozEvSFVg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G-ozEvSFVg)

Donald Trump will say ANYTHING to get elected.  So far....the press has done a HORRIBLE job of calling him out on his numerous lies.  Bill Nye understands the importance of the global warming issue....and understands that the only way to convey what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING to the atmosphere and the earth....is to directly challenge those that lie about global warning such as Marc Morano and Joe Bastardi.

I agree 100%.  I also know that YOU.....ALL OF YOU....that live in the US need to COMMUNICATE WITH AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE ABOUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.  Yes...I was yelling ;D  Even those of you that do NOT live in the US....can help by speaking the truth at various denier sites....and just talking to people you know that DO live in the US.

Donald Trump has dismissed global warming as a Chinese conspiracy to defeat US manufacturing.  If Trump does such a HORRIBLE JOB of analyzing global warming......what will that poor decision making process yield on other important issues?

It's game time....and everybody needs to get involved.  The stakes are FAR to high to allow someone to lie his way into the US presidency.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: DaveHitz on May 21, 2016, 05:54:03 AM
Nobody knows what Trump believes. To some extent, every politician says what they think will get votes, as opposed to what they believe, but Trump does this more than anyone ever before. He doesn't value consistency or ideology at all. He is putting on a show. He is entertaining.

So perhaps he will continue on exactly the same path, to ensure his second four year term. Or perhaps he will do the opposite, because he actually has some understanding of the real issues.

I have no idea, and I don't believe anybody who claims to.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: LRC1962 on June 25, 2016, 01:45:42 PM
Nobody knows what Trump believes.
I beg to differ. We  know exactly what he believes. Force everyone else to pay his costs and take all the profits. He will run the government to line his own pockets, fix US deficit problems by declaring bankruptcy, Create a worldwide depression and in the end declare himself as the smartest man in the world.
Trump is all about Trump and absolutely NO ONE else matters to him.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on June 25, 2016, 01:51:22 PM

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Trump is all about Trump and absolutely NO ONE else matters to him.

Short...and accurate.  I have NEVER seen someone who is so "self absorbed" by himself.  I have been a "student" of ego in the business world, and I have seen some pretty big ego's.  But none of them hold a candle to Trump.




Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: ChrisReynolds on June 26, 2016, 07:46:16 AM
If Trump gets elected the world has gone mad even madder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRNYqsMIbg0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRNYqsMIbg0)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on July 27, 2016, 06:47:41 PM
This is the type of philosophy that Trump would likely bring to many issues.  This....is from one of his strong supporters...and...believe it or not, someone who was one of the FINAL THREE CANDIDATES FOR THE VP SLOT.  Yes....this is from Newt Gingrich.

The following is a video clip from John Oliver...and the whole clip is good.  But pay special attention to the clip from about 4:11 in the clip....through the end....paying CLOSE ATTENTION to Newt Gingrich.

https://climatecrocks.com/2016/07/26/john-oliver-in-the-gops-new-age-feeling-makes-it-real/

And it is really what Donald Trump is doing....and doing effectively.  He uses lies and emotion to CREATE A FEELING....which happens NOT to be true.  But like marketing people....if you repeat it enough times, it takes on "the feeling of being true".

If you look at Donald Trump himself...and his absolute lack of ethics....as well as the people he has supporting him:  (1) Rick Scott...Governor of Florida, who was the CEO of Columbia Healthcare when they produced the largest Medicare scam in US history....and Rick Scott took the 5th amendment 75 times.  (2)  Newt Gingrich....former head of the US House of Representatives until he was kicked out....and as you just saw....he doesn't much care for FACTS and STATISTICS....he's looking for "feelings" he can manipulate (3)  Chris Cristy.....of "bridgegate" fame.  He is either a liar OR the worst boss in history, as multiple people working under him perpetuated the bridge gate scandal.

You folks in Europe and elsewhere must be looking at the US and thinking:  "What the hell are they doing....and WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD VOTE FOR TRUMP?"

You know that Trump doesn't look at facts.  He thinks that global warming is a hoax....as does his VP candidate Mike Pence.  Incredible.....
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 03, 2016, 04:41:30 AM
TFortunately......the Trump meltdown has started.  Expect John McCain to pull his endorsement soon.  Paul Ryan as well.

This has all the hallmarks of a total meltdown.  TOTAL.  With an ego as large as Trumps....it was just a matter of time before Trump.....destroyed Trump.  Fortunately.....it happened BEFORE the election.

Part of me wonders whether Trump will quit.  If his poll numbers drop below 35% in the next couple of weeks....and too many Republicans are jumping ship.....THAT could happen.  I don't think his fragile ego will allow him to get flogged in the election.


This could get ugly.....
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: ritter on August 03, 2016, 10:59:31 PM
This could get ugly.....

Yeah. I wonder what would happen should Trump pull out or be forced out. It's been sort of fun watching both parties eat themselves though. Maybe it's (beyond) time for a third party that represents sanity and the environment.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Feeltheburn on August 04, 2016, 02:56:35 AM
This could get ugly.....

Yeah. I wonder what would happen should Trump pull out or be forced out. It's been sort of fun watching both parties eat themselves though. Maybe it's (beyond) time for a third party that represents sanity and the environment.

If everyone disaffected with the 2 major candidates could agree on a 3rd party candidate, they could win.  But they probably wouldn't be able to agree on anything since they run the gamut from tea partiers to Sanders socialists.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 04, 2016, 07:20:08 AM
I think this election has reached the definition of "ugly" already. If Trump (should be Rump, based on his behavior!) continues down the same road, the only thing the Republican leadership can do is disavow him. What follows may be a Clinton landslide of epic proportions. Interesting to watch. If Trump does win, giving him the nuclear launch codes would be only a little better than giving the codes to Kim Jong Un!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Clare on August 04, 2016, 10:21:20 AM
We are probably all equally fascinated & appalled watching this spectacle unfold from each & every corner of the world.
I hope those of you US citizens wont mind/be offended by my posting this opinion piece from our local paper down here in NZ:
"Bruce Bisset: America's future looking dim
Dumb and Dumber was the name of a comedy movie whose premise, loosely, was that no matter how incapable you are you can "succeed" despite yourself. You'd be forgiven for thinking the American presidential elections are a sequel.........."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503459&objectid=11683816 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503459&objectid=11683816)

(I think the writer is possibly originally from Nth America too.)
Clare
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 04, 2016, 01:29:07 PM
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I think this election has reached the definition of "ugly" already
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As ugly as it has been already.....I can assure you, it will get worse.  It truly is amazing....and pathetic.  And "this" is supposed to be intelligent life?  Really?  If Trump goes below 35% in the polls....it will get REALLY UGLY.

As a US citizen....I am appalled.  As an Independent....I'm not a big Clinton supporter by any means.  But Trump....wow.  I thought Sara Palin set a new "low bar" when she ran with McCain.

The really bad thing about politics....is the same bad thing about marketing:  Much of it is a lie.  Trump takes it to a whole new level.

If Trump is made out to be the absolute chump/idiot during the upcoming debates that I think he is....this could really turn into a rout.  As in....Arizona and Georgia going for Clinton.

The interesting thing over the next 3 years for me....will be the continued march of global warming.....and the fact that you people who have either (1) been terribly wrong on global warming, or (2) been lying about global warming.  Clearly...I happen to think they (Joe Bastardi, FOX News, fossil fuel companies, etc) have been lying.  And THAT will be interesting.  Where does FOX News hide?  There are 20 years of tapes showing them lying.  There is 10 years of tapes showing that either Joe Bastardi is lying....or he's avoiding the truth like the plague.  Same for many in the Republican party.  Where do they hide?

Mankind can't advance further until we start LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH.  In the US....there is such a focus on MARKETING.  Whether it is a new car....or someone running for president who is woefully unqualified.  In the US the focus is on marketing and winning a "debate".  Again...whether it is consumer product....or a political product.

Mankind needs to learn to focus on WHAT IS TRUE....not "WHAT WE CAN SELL AS TRUE" (like Trump).

In order to do that....we need to have the proper INCENTIVES....AND....DISINCETIVES in place.  In the US....the journalists have done a HORRIBLE JOB during this election season.  Journalists SHOULD BE the ones picking and parsing everything politicians say....AND SHOWING TIME AND AGAIN WHEN THEY ARE LYIING.

In the US....we even have a LYING CHANNEL:  FOX News.  Talk about pathetic.

My hope is that Trump gets squashed.  THAT will be a good thing for global warming.  And over the coming few years....I hope that everyone will remember....and point out....who was wrong, and who was right on global warming.

And that FOX News has been lying FOR 20 YEARS. 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 04, 2016, 04:22:39 PM
Clare:

Thanks for the article. Speaking for myself, I don't mind and am not offended by the article you posted.

Buddy:

Your reply to my post was spot on in my opinion. I'm a native of New Hampshire and I moved to Florida almost three years ago. I think Florida will go to Trump, because I seem to be surrounded by people (mostly retirees like myself), who are drinking the Trump cool-aid and don't seem concerned at all by what he's said in the last three to four days.

I also agree that FOX news is heavily biased, but they're not the only ones. That's why I like to get my news from multiple sources.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 04, 2016, 09:26:25 PM
Anyone wanting a little "good news" on the election front (from a global warming perspective) might like Nate Silver's most current numbers:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus)

The last 6 days have NOT been kind to comrade Trump.  If you haven't taken a look at "fivethirtyeight.com" before it is worth checking out.  Please note that it is NOT a poll.  Nate Silver is a "statistics nerd" who compiles polls....throws out polls that have a bad history....or bad mechanics (too small a sample size, etc).  He actually has 3 different "sets" of numbers.  The one I linked was the BEST FOR TRUMP.  The other two....are even worse.

There are still 3 months left.....so anything can happen.....but now maybe I can get some sleep for a few weeks if the numbers stay this way... ;D

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Paddy on August 05, 2016, 12:06:06 AM
A week is a long time in politics... and there are about twelve of them left. I, for one, am not calling this yet.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: CraigsIsland on August 05, 2016, 06:50:00 AM
This week alone is one to remember for the ages in American politics. Unbelievable stuff from the GOP nominee.

In any case - a Trump Presidency would be more dangerous to trying to lower AGW/prepare for climate change than other candidates. I don't see how he could not be in the same boat as Infohoe. Prove me wrong - and I'd be glad for that. But I think it's already too late and we need to start mitigating.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Sleepy on August 05, 2016, 07:59:29 AM
Media don't touch the subject of this thread here (not unusual), it's more about Trump's other cock-up's, like the Khan story.

L.A. resident and Swedish songwriter Daniel Ledinsky's feelings (of despair):
http://youtu.be/qZk3C4tkjqM (http://youtu.be/qZk3C4tkjqM)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 05, 2016, 08:19:33 AM
CraigsIsland:

Is "infohoe" a reference to Sen. Daniel Inhofe? I agree with you and Paddy that it is too soon to call. The debates should be very interesting.

Sleepy:

I think Trump supporters act like they are smoking crack. By the way, I thought you were unfairly criticized on the IJIS thread recently.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 05, 2016, 08:22:33 AM
Buddy:

I checked out fivethirtyeight.com, thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 05, 2016, 01:42:11 PM
Sometimes....less is more.  I'll let the following video clip speak for itself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpUlr22Cmus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpUlr22Cmus)

LMAO.... :)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 05, 2016, 03:02:39 PM
On a more serious note....Clinton may now have the opportunity to push a more "green agenda" forward in the coming months BEFORE THE ELECTION.

Right now....it looks like Georgia and Arizona MAY slide onto Clinton's side by election day.  In fact.....the "line of defense" for Trump right now includes the states of Utah, Missouri, and SOUTH CAROLINA.  Yes....SOUTH CAROLINA.

Why is that important?  Lindsay Graham is one of the US Senator's from South Carolina.  And although he is a Republican.......drum role please.....BELIEVES IN GLOBAL WARMING (and I say global warming...because he believes man is causing a great deal of the "climate change" right now).

If I were in the Clinton campaign.....I would SERIOUSLY consider spending some money in South Carolina....and start building bridges TO Senator Graham.  If Trump continues to spiral....one or all of the three states mentioned "could" slide into the Clinton camp (Utah, South Carolina, and Missouri).

Utah is also a state with a LOT OF SUNSHINE.  So the "green" part of Clinton's future policy COULD START LAYING SOME GROUNDWORK NOW.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 05, 2016, 06:51:50 PM
The "cracks" are growing wider....and more people are jumping off the "Trump Train".  It might be heading for a ravine without any track:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/poll-clinton-leads-trump-in-georgia-226711 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/poll-clinton-leads-trump-in-georgia-226711)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: CraigsIsland on August 05, 2016, 11:57:37 PM
CraigsIsland:

Is "infohoe" a reference to Sen. Daniel Inhofe? I agree with you and Paddy that it is too soon to call. The debates should be very interesting.

Sleepy:

I think Trump supporters act like they are smoking crack. By the way, I thought you were unfairly criticized on the IJIS thread recently.

I think it's "Jim" - but it's this guy that I'm referencing - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-snowballs-chance/2015/03/01/46e9e00e-bec8-11e4-bdfa-b8e8f594e6ee_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-snowballs-chance/2015/03/01/46e9e00e-bec8-11e4-bdfa-b8e8f594e6ee_story.html)

Still very close to call with 90+ days to go. If y'all haven't registered vote, please do - no matter your views and opinions, it's important to get your vote counted!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 07, 2016, 02:35:15 PM
The "Trump Train" continues to run off the tracks.  The newest version of fivethirtyeight.com has Trump CONTINUING to drop in the polls.

If you're a "visual person" like me...you will especially like the 5th graphic in the link.  It shows a "winding road" that shows SOLID HILLARY states on the far left...and SOLID TRUMP states on the far right.  In the middle is the dotted line that denotes the 269 electoral college votes needed to win.  You can see that Clinton is continuing to "move into Trump territory" and picking off more and more states as time goes by.   As I noted a day or two ago.....the line of defense for Trump has moved to the states of Georgia, Arizona, South Carolina, Utah, Missouri...and now even TEXAS.  There hasn't been any RECENT polling in Texas.  And since Mark Cuban has come out in support of Clinton....that will NOT help "the Donald" there.

One interesting thing to note....is that if Trump WERE (it's early...I know) to win South Carolina and Georgia......she would have EVERY EAST AND WEST COAST STATE in her column.

Donald will need a big win in the coming debates.  It is...of course...possible.  And now it is a must for him to get back in the race...
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 07, 2016, 04:58:33 PM
270 electoral votes are needed to win.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: solartim27 on August 07, 2016, 06:17:27 PM
Never underestimate the ability of the Democratic party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. 

What scares me is the thought that all the voters Hillary really needs, will see the strong polls, and not bother to go vote.  If the Libertarian or Green parties can pick up a few states (unlikely), it could force a situation where no one gets to 270, and the newly elected congress selects the next president.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 07, 2016, 08:28:28 PM
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270 electoral votes are needed to win.

270 are needed for Cinton....but only 269 are needed for Trump.  The Republicans control the House of Representatives...and in a tie situation (269 to 269)....the House would vote Trump in.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 08, 2016, 06:17:47 AM
If Trump keeps alienating Republicans, 269 may not be enough.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Paddy on August 08, 2016, 01:05:37 PM
One of the interesting things about this contest, to me, is how unpopular both leading candidates are:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/clinton_favorableunfavorable-1131.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/clinton_favorableunfavorable-1131.html)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5963.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5963.html)

I wouldn't predict that either large party will haemorrhage states to any third party, however; from prior elections and polling of current intention it seems more likely that many voters will hold their nose and vote for the candidate they dislike less to keep the other one out.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 08, 2016, 03:10:37 PM
Both candidates show high unfavorables, but several Republicans, even some high level staff members of former Republican administrations have declared for Clinton.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 08, 2016, 05:43:55 PM
Paddy: Here's an article I just spotted today
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Paddy on August 08, 2016, 06:03:26 PM
Interesting.

Trump's feud with much of the Republican party looks likely to do both sides a fair bit of damage. IMHO, the republicans should probably focus all their efforts on the house and senate.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 08, 2016, 07:34:25 PM
Interesting.

Trump's feud with much of the Republican party looks likely to do both sides a fair bit of damage. IMHO, the republicans should probably focus all their efforts on the house and senate.

From what I've read today, they are very concerned with losing their majority. I think they're strategy during this election cycle has been to fund the senate and house reelections with money that normally would have gone to the presidential nominee.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 08, 2016, 07:53:50 PM
South Carolina and Texas may be the "next shoes to drop" on the election map.  They are very close to being 50/50 states right now.

I couldn't imagine Texas and South Carolina being "winnable" for Clinton just a month ago.

Long term....the Republicans have a HUGE PROBLEM that is not going away:  Demographics....

1)  Fewer and fewer biased old white men
2)  More and more latino's
3)  More blacks
4)  More Asians
5)  Fewer bigots

Texas was supposed to be "on the map" by the Dems EVENTUALLY.  But not THIS YEAR.  They are within a couple percentage points of being a tossup. 

Every time I look at fivethirtyeight.com....it gets worse and worse for Trump.  Looks like he is going to be rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic for the next 90 days....

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/)


Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 09, 2016, 02:28:28 AM
There is a mechanism for the RNC to replace their nominee under extraordinary circumstances, according to this AP article.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 09, 2016, 12:05:45 PM
Two more articles about the election, or more specifically about Trump. The first is from BBC, the second from CNN.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 10, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
As if ANYONE needed anything more in order to NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP.....here is an article describing two more former Republican EPA heads coming out in favor of Clinton:

https://thinkprogress.org/republican-regulators-care-more-about-the-environment-than-being-republican-c13417604681#.stvdb7lai

The fact that Trump wants to do away with the EPA fits the NEW Republican agenda (which has changed DRASTICALLY over the years via lobbyists).
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 10, 2016, 05:57:28 PM
If William Shirer was still alive, he'd probably be working on a new book titled: "The rise and fall of Donald Trump"! It appears increasingly likely that his candidacy will end before the election, because the republican party will have no choice but to replace him if he continues with his incendiary rhetoric.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Paddy on August 10, 2016, 06:55:29 PM
Here's hoping, anyway.

It'll be interesting to see whether the whole thinly veiled invitation to assassinate the opposition loses him any more support.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: ritter on August 10, 2016, 11:06:28 PM
Here's hoping, anyway.

It'll be interesting to see whether the whole thinly veiled invitation to assassinate the opposition loses him any more support.

Doubtful. It's the same hateful message that has gotten him to where he is.  :(
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 11, 2016, 01:30:44 AM
Here's hoping, anyway.

It'll be interesting to see whether the whole thinly veiled invitation to assassinate the opposition loses him any more support.

Doubtful. It's the same hateful message that has gotten him to where he is.  :(


I wish I could disagree with you but the facts say otherwise. If someone told me last year that Trump would be the republican nominee in 2016, I wouldn't have thought it possible. Trump's nearest competition in the primaries was Ted Cruz who is only a little less scary!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 11, 2016, 07:49:57 AM
This presidential election cycle continues to surprise, with Trump blaming Obama and Clinton for the creation of ISIS. He also claims that his campaign has had no discussions regarding his second amendment comments with the US Secret Service, while the Secret Service has stated they have had more than one discussion with his campaign. Former republican congressman and talk show host, Joe Scarborough wrote a piece in the Washington Post calling for the GOP to dump Trump. Scarborough, a fellow Floridian who is a conservative republican, was elected in 1994 during Newt Gingrich's "Contract with America", which to me establishes his conservative credentials. The only question I have is when the republicans or GOP (Grand Old Party) intend to show Trump the door?

They may not have the stomach for it, but I cant imagine why they wouldn't intervene. Time will tell.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 11, 2016, 01:28:39 PM
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The only question I have is when the republicans or GOP (Grand Old Party) intend to show Trump the door?

NOT going to happen.  If Trump wouldn't quit....they can't just "replace him."  The only chance they had was IF Trump's ego decided that he would get beat badly in the upcoming election.  Apparently his ego thinks he will still win.....which is POSSIBLE by the way.  Definitely NOT likely...but possible.

We'll see what the polls say at the end of August.  If Trump is behind by 8 - 10% then...Trump is going to have to really "win" the upcoming debates big.  And I personally don't think he can do that since he doesn't seem interested in actually learning what is going on in the world.  If the Democrats had anyone other than Hillary running.....they would be beating Trump like a red headed step child in the polls.  And if the Republicans had anyone other than Trump....they would be beating Hillary the same.  Instead....we get the worst of both worlds.  AMAZING.

It looks like Trump has a strong base of about 30% - 35% that will vote for him NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES OR SAYS.  PERIOD.

I've seen some really narcissistic people....I've seen some really egotistical people....and I've seen some real "bullies".  But I have NEVER seen someone who combines all 3 qualities to the extent that Trump does.

I'm curious to know what the European's on this site think of Trump and the US elections.  Are you folks thinking....."what the hell are they doing?  Have you folks gone mad?"


 



 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: wili on August 11, 2016, 02:25:17 PM
"If Trump wouldn't quit....they can't just 'replace him.' "

It's my understanding that they actually could, though it would be highly unusual and they'd probably have to claim that he had gone insane or something (which wouldn't be too much of a stretch with Trump). And some actually are thinking along these lines:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290942-former-gop-sen-urges-rnc-to-replace-trump-the-rnc-has-a (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290942-former-gop-sen-urges-rnc-to-replace-trump-the-rnc-has-a)

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/trump-critics-urge-rnc-to-replace-trump-in-special-meeting-1.12149692 (http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/trump-critics-urge-rnc-to-replace-trump-in-special-meeting-1.12149692)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 11, 2016, 06:06:43 PM
If the RNC tried to replace Trump....the Republican party would implode.  Remember....the 30 - 35% "base" that Trump has....don't CARE what he says or what he does.

They would get blown away at the ballot box in down ballot elections.

The Republicans really are in a "bad place" in the US.  This will likely be the first time that Republicans have lost the "college educated" vote.

I don't know how the Republicans expected to win the election when they:

1)  Ticked off blacks
2)  Ticked off Latino's
3)  Ticked off women
4)  Ticked off gays
5)  Ticked off Asian's

I actually think Trump will be bankrupt WITHIN 4 years.  He has golf properties which don't throw off much cash (break even)....he is apparently up to his gills in debt....and the next time the economy turns down, which is likely to happen sooner rather than later....I think he will be toast.

His properties have lost "foot traffic" ever since he entered the race.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiesola/2016/08/04/trump-properties-share-of-foot-traffic-declined-up-to-27-since-start-of-presidential-campaign/#2962facc5bba (http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiesola/2016/08/04/trump-properties-share-of-foot-traffic-declined-up-to-27-since-start-of-presidential-campaign/#2962facc5bba)

And commercial real estate in New York City look to already have started a decline.  How long and how steep that will be is obviously unknown.

But such a reckless candidacy.....assuming he loses.....will do NOTHING to promote either him or his businesses.

Also....think about this:  What truly successful developer could stand to have their 4 "best and brightest" away from the business for over a year IF that business was truly "humming".

Also....look at Trump University.  That was a CLEAR FRAUD.  Companies in trouble do some really strange things when they get backed into a corner.

Why no tax returns from Trump?  We will NEVER KNOW....until after he declares bankruptcy.   Because win or lose....we will NEVER see his tax returns.

 


Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Neven on August 12, 2016, 12:29:45 AM
I'm curious to know what the European's on this site think of Trump and the US elections.  Are you folks thinking....."what the hell are they doing?  Have you folks gone mad?"
I think that every four years.  ;)

Coincidentally, I watched this documentary (shortened version) a few days ago, called Lifting the Veil: Obama and the Failure of Capitalist Democracy. It's 5 years old and is about how the US political system is basically run by one party (serving the mega-rich), or a polyarchy, "a system where small group actually rules on behalf of capital, and majority’s decision making is confined to choosing among selective number of elites within tightly controlled elective process. It is a form of consensual domination made possible by the structural domination of the global capital which allowed concentration of political powers".

There's a lot of Bernie Sanders clips in the documentary, and it really makes one wonder how on Earth it is possible that Clinton became the Democratic nominee. I really don't understand that.

Anyway, here is the long version on Youtube:

http://youtu.be/AzULm4d8h8w (http://youtu.be/AzULm4d8h8w)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Sleepy on August 12, 2016, 05:22:13 AM
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it really makes one wonder how on Earth it is possible that Clinton became the Democratic nominee. I really don't understand that.
Neither do I.

Correcting Neven's link above:
Edit; Guess I couldn't, what have you done now Neven? ;)
Here's the link: youtu.be/AzULm4d8h8w

I guess you over there will have to vote for the "so called lesser of two evils which still want's to eat you". Or rather the whole planet. I haven't watched all of it, it's better here but not much. I don't have a party to vote for anymore and voting for our green party feels just like that.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 12, 2016, 09:09:14 AM
All food for thought. I never expected to see an election like this is my lifetime. Makes me wonder;
"Who is the puppet master"? Neven makes a good point!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 12, 2016, 01:59:00 PM
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There's a lot of Bernie Sanders clips in the documentary, and it really makes one wonder how on Earth it is possible that Clinton became the Democratic nominee. I really don't understand that.

If Bernie would have had more of the black vote.....she wouldn't have won.  The way the primaries were done on the Democrat side....the early states had a large percentage of blacks....which went to Clinton.

Bernie would have CRUSHED Trump even much worse than Clinton likely will.

What I had written earlier still stands in my belief:  This election is the implosion of the Republican party.  Next election will be the implosion of the Democrat's party.

The elected Republican's really have done a HUGE disservice to "fiscal conservatives" over the past 20 years.  That is why Trump got the Republican nomination.  True fiscal conservatives (such as myself) HAVE NO PARTY to look to.

A true FISCAL CONSERVATIVE in the US:

1)  Would NOT want to enter every war at the drop of the hat....WAY to expensive
2)  Would NOT want to ignore global warming....again...WAY TOO EXPENSIVE TO IGNORE
3)  Would NOT want to ignore the issues surrounding social security

In addition....there are issues that I believe ARE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE....but not usually thought of in that realm:

1)  Narrowing the wealth gap.....the amount of money and investments now SITTING ON THE BALANCE SHEETS of wealthy individuals COULD create a lot of growth in the middle or lower income classes in the US.  But now......income is "funneled" to the wealthy via poor tax policy and it just "sits" on the balance sheets of the wealthy.
2)  Health care has been an absolute mess in the US for DECADES.  WAY too much cost...  It is NOT fiscally conservative to have a system that is run SOOOO poorly...especially when it is so expensive.

The implosion of the Republican party is now taking place....for all to see.  The implosion of the Democrat's has started (via Bernie) and will continue to take place.  Keep your eyes on Tulsi Gabbard....she is a Congresswoman from Hawaii....and a big Bernie backer.  She is one of the reasons that Debbie Wasserman Shultz was pushed out of being the head of the Democratic National Committee.  Gabbard is smart....well spoken....and served in the military in Iraq. 

The internet is....in many ways....still young.  It is continuing to transform how we interact, how are politics is played out, and how we get information (news, blogs, etc).

In the US.....the "press" has done a HORRIBLE JOB during the election process.  WAY too passive, especially during the primary process.  They were a large reason why Trump got the nomination (free press coverage).  CNN should be on Trump's Christmas list....without CNN showing Trump every time he wanted to talk....he never would have got the nomination.  It also helped that CNN didn't question Trump critically....and allowed him to "lie at will" during the primary process.  That has changed during the post nomination process.

In the US....we ALLOW what is really a "fake news organization"....FOX News...to feed lies to people.  FOX began in 1996 by Roger Ailes (who served in the Nixon administration....and was an advisor to Bush senior.  FOX is nothing more than an extension of what is now the "old Republican party".

MSNBC was formed a an "answer to FOX".  While MSNBC does a MUCH better job of being a "news organization"....they are far from perfect.

The cracking open of the Republican party is also taking place at the same time the "cracking open of FOX News" is taking place.  It is fascinating to see it play out....

 

 

 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 12, 2016, 03:10:05 PM
"Cement" looks like it is starting to "set up" in Florida and North Carolina.  Both states are starting to sway into stronger territory for Clinton.  The first debate isn't until Sept 23rd I think.....so this is not setting up well for Trump.  Mr. Momentum is not in The Donald's favor right now.  If he would only quit talking... ;)

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo)

If the RNC (Republican National Committee) pulls its money from Trump in order to help the "down ballot" senators and reps.....it could be a REAL bloodbath come November for Trump.  Pretty soon she will be able to pull her ad money from New Hampshire....Michigan....and other states to spread the map.  She has already pulled her ad money from Colorado and Virginia.  She is going to be spending that ad money in Georgia and Arizona instead.   If she starts to spend ad money in Texas....then that would be the signal that she is going for the "kill shot".....the potential landslide victory.

The one thing that might help....or possibly save..... Trump....is an "October surprise" by Wikileaks.  Do they have anything that could rise up to the level where people would choose Trump over Clinton?  I have a feeling we are going to find out come October.....one way or the other.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 12, 2016, 04:23:42 PM
The one thing that might help....or possibly save..... Trump....is an "October surprise" by Wikileaks.  Do they have anything that could rise up to the level where people would choose Trump over Clinton?  I have a feeling we are going to find out come October.....one way or the other.

Although I'll be voting for Clinton, its like voting for the lesser of two evils. If information comes out that is seriously damaging to Clinton, you can bet it will come out in October and I'll have to find another candidate to vote for.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 12, 2016, 06:27:38 PM
In sports....you're taught to "bitch about the call if it is close".  It's not that you will likely get the call overturned, but rather get the ref thinking about THE NEXT CALL.

Well...I think you'll be seeing some of the same thought process by the Clinton campaign soon.  As more polls continue to roll in....it is looking worse and worse for Trump.  So Clinton may have the latitude to go into states that were once "unthinkable".....in order to prepare for THE NEXT ELECTION (in 2 years for some senators and all US House of Representatives).

If I were a Democrat on Clinton's campaign.....and I was about to "rout" Trump....I would be looking at trying to grow my voter base in Texas, Arizona, Georgia, and Missouri.  Because NEXT presidential election.....she may be running against Paul Ryan from Wisconsin......and he might be able to pull from Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, and Wisconsin.  So I would now EXPECT her to try and look to expand their base in case they would lose some of the "rust belt" next election.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 12, 2016, 06:52:48 PM
Here's a great ad that would air well in Texas....as well as most everywhere else:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-ad-trump-tax-returns-226949 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-ad-trump-tax-returns-226949)

Clinton's have already released 10 years of returns (which...by the way....SHOULD BE LAW for ALL people running for Senate, House of Reps, and Pres/Vice Pres.....PERIOD).

Clinton's just released their 2015 tax return.....showing a combined effective tax rate of 43% (34% federal and 9% state).  It's getting warmer at Trump campaign HQ.....but there is NO WAY IN HELL ANYONE WILL EVER SEE HIS TAX RETURNS.  EVER.

BTW......"effective tax rate" is the "income tax" divided by "taxable income".

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 13, 2016, 08:26:42 AM
Buddy: Assuming Clinton wins the election and most likely by a wide margin, what do you think the reaction will be from Trump's supporters? Will they quietly accept the results and lay down their Trump posters or do you think they'll protest the election results? If so, how far do you think they'll carry their protest?
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 13, 2016, 03:03:02 PM
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Assuming Clinton wins the election and most likely by a wide margin, what do you think the reaction will be from Trump's supporters? Will they quietly accept the results and lay down their Trump posters or do you think they'll protest the election results? If so, how far do you think they'll carry their protest?

That's a tough question.  Trump is pretty much unhinged.  I know he won't go gracefully.  At the very least....he is likely to say the "system is rigged"......."the press is biased" (except for FOX, which is "fair and balanced:).....

The trouble is....he has ALREADY said so much crap to get people riled up....that the "seed has been planted" in anyone's mind who is susceptible to "bad behavior".

Let's just say the CHANCE for some type of bad behavior by INDIVIDUALS has been greatly increased by Trump's antics.

Hopefully...if he loses....and especially if he loses "comfortably"....that he will do so with some MINIMUM LEVEL of grace.  We'll see....

I have worked with a couple of CEO's who have been "unhinged".  And you have to realize that you are dealing with someone who is like someone who is "color blind."  Trump doesn't see what a rational person sees.  His ego has TOTAL CONTROL over him.  He is unable (not just unwilling) to "look inside himself" and ask himself critical questions.  He also has NO EMPATHY.  He is unable to put himself in someone else's shoes.....because life is ALL ABOUT THE DONALD.

That is why it is so hard to know WHAT Trump will do.  Because he is NOT rational.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 13, 2016, 06:58:05 PM
It is a tough question and I have a growing concern about the aftermath of this election. The Trump base of 30 to 35% is a sizable minority. That is a lot of people who are bordering on the lunatic fringe.
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Post by: solartim27 on August 13, 2016, 09:19:14 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 14, 2016, 06:12:36 PM
Next stops on the "Trump Train" (to hell) are South Carolina and Missouri.

If the train can't find the tracks....or a new engineer....Texas will then be in line to go as well.

We have 5 or 6 weeks till the debates start.....and ugly is getting uglier.  I have NEVER seen something like this in my lifetime.  Not even close.  I have never witnessed such a public melt down.  And he AND his pundits continue to just "make stuff up" as they go.

The longer Paul Ryan doesn't remove his endorsement of Trump.....the more ammo Clinton will have in 2020.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 14, 2016, 06:55:02 PM
Here's an article looking inside the Trump campaign from the New York Times, dated 8/13/16.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 15, 2016, 07:21:04 PM
Here's some "food for thought" in case the Trump Train continues on it's "death spiral" trajectory.  I feel much like the article's author:  It's a POSSIBILITY....not a likelihood...but could happen if more and more people "jump off the train"....and Trump were to go below 35% in national polls.  His ego might finally pull the parachute....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/will-trump-fire-himself_b_11518312.html? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/will-trump-fire-himself_b_11518312.html?)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 15, 2016, 08:08:04 PM
Kuttner's scenario is plausible and unlikely, as he himself admits. OTOH, I would not be at all surprised to see Trump pull out of the race. If he does exit the campaign, I imagine it will be at the most opportune time for him and the most inopportune time for the RNC. If he does exit, I would bet his departure will be early September.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 16, 2016, 06:13:06 PM
Roger Ailes (ex CEO of FOX News that was fired a few weeks ago for sexual harassment) is now advising Donald Trump in preparation for the upcoming debates (Sept 26th is first debate).

The debates should be entertaining......no matter the outcome.  I just don't know if Trump is willing to put in the work to actually LEARN STUFF that he will need to talk about.  The first debate will have 6 "time segments" of 15 minutes....with categories to be announced at least one week before the debate:

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/ (http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/)

Unless Wikileaks comes through for Trump.....he is in trouble.   Polls CONTINUE to slowly slide south for him.  Arizona and Georgia are now "slightly blue".....with Missouri and South Carolina "on deck".

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Sigmetnow on August 17, 2016, 02:15:20 AM
Judge for yourself how true you think this article is -- but it is totally logical, and quite probably what a lot of people have been thinking for some time now.  Along with recent polls showing Hillary Clinton has more than enough states favoring her to win the election by a landslide, it suggests we can worry a bit less that Trump will ever be president.

Michael Moore: Trump Is Self-Sabotaging His Campaign Because He Never Really Wanted the Job in the First Place
He's running for president to get a better deal for "The Apprentice."
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Trump was unhappy with his deal as host and star of his hit NBC show, “The Apprentice” (and “The Celebrity Apprentice”). Simply put, he wanted more money. He had floated the idea before of possibly running for president in the hopes that the attention from that would make his negotiating position stronger. But he knew, as the self-proclaimed king of the dealmakers, that saying you’re going to do something is bupkis—DOING it is what makes the bastards sit up and pay attention.

Trump had begun talking to other networks about moving his show. This was another way to get leverage—the fear of losing him to someone else—and when he “quietly” met with the head of one of those networks, and word got around, his hand was strengthened. He knew then that it was time to play his Big Card.

He decided to run for president.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trump-self-sabotage-campaign (http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trump-self-sabotage-campaign)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 17, 2016, 09:34:21 AM
Reading further into Michael Moore's piece, Trump never expected his candidacy to last into the general election. It seems increasingly likely that he'll drop out of the race, most likely a couple weeks before the debates start. If and when he does, he's going to disappoint a lot of "true believers". They've been following him as if he's the messiah, where will they turn once he exits?
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 17, 2016, 01:02:00 PM
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Judge for yourself how true you think this article is -- but it is totally logical, and quite probably what a lot of people have been thinking for some time now.  Along with recent polls showing Hillary Clinton has more than enough states favoring her to win the election by a landslide, it suggests we can worry a bit less that Trump will ever be president.

I don't agree.....AT ALL.  I don't believe for a minute that Trump doesn't want to win.  He doesn't care about governing....but he DEFINITELY wants to win.  This is an ego thing for him...and his ego THINKS he can win.

The campaign is being reorganized with a few folks being added.  It looks like Roger Ailes is running the "whole show"(although Trump and his organization will NEVER admit to it).

An executive from Breitbart News....another FAKE news organization like FOX....has been hired.  Ailes is clearly calling the shots.  Sounds as though the campaign ads will be going up pronto...and if you live in Ohio, Pennsylvania, or Florida......you can pretty much expect campaign ads from both sides....24 x 7.

Breitbart News is just to the right of FOX News (I know.....FOX is already "in the ditch"....but Breitbart is FURTHER IN THE DITCH).

FOX and Breitbart are basically EXTENSIONS of the Republican Party.  If you want to see examples of HOW NOT TO RUN A NEWS SHOW......I would turn on FOX News, especially Hannity over the coming months.  It will be much like watching the news in Russia NOW.

I expect the poll numbers to TIGHTEN nationally in coming weeks as ads for Trump go up.  How much they will tighten....I have no idea.

I see that a GOOD polling organization just came out with a Texas poll that shows Trump up by 6% in Texas.  I thought Clinton might be a little closer.  Take a read at the link posted below....it is pretty enlightening.  Having lived in Texas for about 5 years....more than a decade ago....the results of the poll are not too surprising.

http://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/bud-kennedy/article95934042.html (http://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/bud-kennedy/article95934042.html)

If Clinton wins...a majority of the Republicans want to secede from the US.  If Clinton wins....then the election was rigged.

The REALLY UGLY part of the election is just now starting.  Buckle up......

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 17, 2016, 01:52:34 PM
Trump's position on climate change:

https://climatecrocks.com/2016/08/17/trump-climate-denial-costing-votes/

Anyone who LOVES fossil fuels....will love Trump.

By the way.....I see that Dick Cheney's daughter looks like she will be in the US House Of Representatives next year.  She just won her primary election against her Republican opponent....so she is almost assured of winning the election come November in Wyoming.  She is on of fossil fuel's best friends....  Wyoming is about as "red" of a state as Oklahoma.  Funny how two of the most FOSSIL FUEL INTENSIVE STATES are Republican..... ;)




Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 17, 2016, 02:34:24 PM
Trump's "4 state strategy."

Trump HAS to win the following 4 states to win (all of them):

Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, and Florida.  If he loses ANY ONE of those states....he will lose.  If he wins those 4 states....then there is likely very LITTLE chance that he loses Arizona and Georgia.  He can lose Nevada, Colorado, and Iowa (and I think he will lose at least 2 of those)....but he HAS to win the "big 4".  If he wins the "big 4".....and assuming he wins Georgia and Arizona (but loses Nevada, Iowa, Colorado, New Hampshire, Maine).....then he has a path to 273 votes.

Right now....North Carolina and Pennsylvania are problems for him....because he as about a 10% deficit to make up.  But he has brought in some "heavy hitters" from the black community to work on his message to the black community....and that is especially important for him to win North Carolina and Pennsylvania (Philadelphia especially).

Those are the 4 states I will be keeping my eyes on over the coming weeks and months....and I wouldn't expect him to step foot in any other state.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 17, 2016, 07:12:37 PM
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Judge for yourself how true you think this article is -- but it is totally logical, and quite probably what a lot of people have been thinking for some time now.  Along with recent polls showing Hillary Clinton has more than enough states favoring her to win the election by a landslide, it suggests we can worry a bit less that Trump will ever be president.

I don't agree.....AT ALL.  I don't believe for a minute that Trump doesn't want to win.  He doesn't care about governing....but he DEFINITELY wants to win.  This is an ego thing for him...and his ego THINKS he can win.

You make a good argument Buddy, but so does Michael Moore in his article. As you said, "he doesn't want to govern". If he doesn't want to govern, he's likely going to find a way to end his campaign. Having Roger Ailes on his side may help him a great deal though and I saw a Trump for president ad on the internet this morning, which I thought was well made.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 17, 2016, 10:22:51 PM
Here's an article from CNN discussing Trump's new campaign management team.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 17, 2016, 10:40:42 PM
And here is a response from a physician.....talking about the letter from Trump's "supposed doctor".  It is enlightening to say the least.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-gunter/im-a-doctor-heres-concerning-trumps-medical-letter_b_11565838.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-gunter/im-a-doctor-heres-concerning-trumps-medical-letter_b_11565838.html)

It is clear....and likely to be even CLEARER as time goes by....that Trump will do ANYTHING to get elected.  ANYTHING....
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 18, 2016, 08:26:59 AM
And here is a response from a physician.....talking about the letter from Trump's "supposed doctor".  It is enlightening to say the least.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-gunter/im-a-doctor-heres-concerning-trumps-medical-letter_b_11565838.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-gunter/im-a-doctor-heres-concerning-trumps-medical-letter_b_11565838.html)

It is clear....and likely to be even CLEARER as time goes by....that Trump will do ANYTHING to get elected.  ANYTHING....

I find it hard to believe that anyone would think that letter could be taken seriously. I know that Trump is a megalomaniac, but this is just hard to believe. 

As far as doing ANYTHING to get elected, why would he want to be saddled with a job he doesn't want? Being so thin skinned, he'll be dealing with perceived slights and attacks on his ego on a daily basis. He wants to feed his enormous ego. Being president, his ego will be under constant assault. Then again, I'm looking at this logically and Trump isn't logical.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 18, 2016, 01:17:13 PM
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Being so thin skinned, he'll be dealing with perceived slights and attacks on his ego on a daily basis.

Remember.....Trump has been running his own company most of his life.  He surrounds himself by his family and others that DON'T QUESTION HIM.  THAT....has been "his" reality.  What he says....goes.  And a lot of it likely goes UNQUESTIONED.

At a prior job....I was talking with one of the regional finance VP's about a hospital project one time.  He was describing how the project NEVER should have been built and there were some MAJOR FLAWS in the financial assumptions.  But the President of the company (who was the company founders SON) was the initiator of the project.....so the finance VP NEVER questioned it in a critical manner.  He just let it "fly through".  THAT....is what happens in a dysfunctional small group where people are NOT ENCOURAGED to CRITICALLY QUESTION THINGS.

Donald Trump's "decision making process" is VERY flawed.  He doesn't seem search out REAL FACTS...and real PRO's/CON's.  Global warming is just one example.

In fact....here in the US....Republicans now have this "ball and chain" called "climate change denial" that they will have to live with for the next 20 years.  If I were a Democrat....I would NEVER let the US voters forget that.  And their "poor decision making model" applies to EVERY DECISION.

Paul Ryan's biggest negative will be having to deal with the climate change issue.  If I were a Democrat...especially NOW.....I would be tying my Republican congressmen with this issue at EVERY TURN.  Because as all of us KNOW on this site.....the issue of global warming ISN'T GOING AWAY.....IT WILL BE INTENSIFYING over the next 3 - 10 years (and longer).

Do we REALLY want ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL to be in office that has turned a "blind eye" to global warming when the TRUTH AND FACTS WERE THERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE?  What OTHER ISSUES will they look at in the same fashion?

THAT.....is why I will ALWAYS be an Independent voter.  It removes that bit of "bias" towards any issue.  I look for the truth....NOT just what my party WANTS TO BE THE TRUTH.



Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 18, 2016, 01:36:14 PM
The "Trump Network":

Here's an article and a video clip from FOX's "The Five".  If you listen from about the 5:00 minute mark to the end...it's worth a listen.

Two things:
(1)  Eric Bolling...who is an absolute idiot...tells his fans that polls don't matter.
(2)  Near the end of the video clip....there is discussion about the coming "new        network".....the "Trump Network".

I do think that Trump will at least TRY to put together some "TV product"...whether it is just a "single show" or a network like Oprah has done.  That will definitely be on "The Donald's" plate if he is to lose.  The issue will be if he can get enough people to pony up enough money to make it happen.  And having Breitbart and Ailes.......would certainly help to make that happen.






Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 19, 2016, 08:18:30 AM
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Being so thin skinned, he'll be dealing with perceived slights and attacks on his ego on a daily basis.

Remember.....Trump has been running his own company most of his life.  He surrounds himself by his family and others that DON'T QUESTION HIM.  THAT....has been "his" reality.  What he says....goes.  And a lot of it likely goes UNQUESTIONED.

As president, he wont be able to insulate himself from the public, the press, or congress. I don't believe he can handle that much scrutiny.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 19, 2016, 08:26:40 AM

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THAT.....is why I will ALWAYS be an Independent voter.  It removes that bit of "bias" towards any issue.  I look for the truth....NOT just what my party WANTS TO BE THE TRUTH.

I'm a registered democrat because I agree with the democrats more than the republicans, but my vote is independent of any party line. Whether we're republican, democrat, libertarian, green or independent, we all have our biases.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 19, 2016, 08:31:53 AM
The "Trump Network":

I do think that Trump will at least TRY to put together some "TV product"...whether it is just a "single show" or a network like Oprah has done.  That will definitely be on "The Donald's" plate if he is to lose.  The issue will be if he can get enough people to pony up enough money to make it happen.  And having Breitbart and Ailes.......would certainly help to make that happen.

I agree. It sure fits his character better than running for president. Do you think the "Trump Network" will be to the right of FOX News?
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 19, 2016, 12:19:26 PM
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I agree. It sure fits his character better than running for president. Do you think the "Trump Network" will be to the right of FOX News?

Good question.  Depends who is calling the shots...Ailes or Bannon.  The question you ask is like asking "how far in the ditch are they going to be."

Let's just HOPE that they indeed have the time to try and put together something like that....because that would mean that Trump would have lost the election.

Just make sure you get ALL YOUR FRIENDS...FAMILY....AND RELATIVES OUT TO VOTE.  And show them exactly who Donald Trump is....and isn't.

 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 19, 2016, 01:59:50 PM
In regards to your question about what type of news program or news station that Donald Trump might start....got me to thinking further.

There are ONLY TWO THINGS that we do in human's "waking hours".  We make decisions....and we execute on decisions.  THAT IS IT.  Sometimes....someone else makes the decision and we execute it.  Sometimes a group makes a decision.....sometimes we make our own decision and we execute it.  But DECISION MAKING AND EXECUTION are the only two things we do all day long....thousands of times a day.

In a society...we need GOOD INFORMATION in order to make GOOD DESICIONS.  If we make decisions based on bad information or lies....then we will have a bad outcome, or a less than ideal outcome.  And THAT....is where the "press" comes into play.

In the US.....the "freedom of free speech" has been used by many as a LICENSCE TO LIE.  Some examples:

1)  The tobacco industry lying for DECADES
2)  Steroid athletes lying for years....
3)  Performance enhancing drug athletes like Lance Armstrong lying for DECADES
4)  The fossil fuel industry LYING FOR DECADES
5)  Donald Trump.....lying whenever he opens his mouth
6)  Ryan Lochte (US swimmer) recently caught lying
7)  FOX News:  Lying for decades on climate change and a LOT of other issues....DAILY

In the US....some people and organizations use the "freedom of speech" to lie.  And THAT...is where FOX News, Breitbart News....Sean Hannity...Rush Limbaugh....Alex Jones....and now Donald Trump....have created this "new reality" that they create with their lies.

In the past....other US media outlets have been unwilling to "call them out" for their lies.  I think that is beginning to change.....because CNN, by their PASSIVE NATURE during the time leading up to the Republican Convention.....ALLOWED Donald Trump to lie continuously WITHOUT aggressively challenging him.  That has now changed since the convention.....but CNN and others ALWAYS should have AGRESSIVELY pointed out lies by ANY CANDIDATE.

The "come to Jesus" moment regarding anthropogenic climate change is QUICKLY APPROACHING for those......like FOX News/Joe Bastardi/Sean Hannity/Bill O'Reilly, etc......  And there is a LONG VIDEO RECORD of their lies/misstatement/misleading statements/bias, etc.

In the US...we now have ONE CANDIDATE for president that DOESN'T BELIVE IN ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE....and that is Donald Trump.  It could be the "tipping point" in the campaign over the next 80 some days.  As fires continue out of control in California......as Louisiana recovers from the worst flooding since Katrina......and as the Arctic ice sheet heads to a new record low or close to a record lows......this ONE ISSSUE where Clinton and Trump are DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED....could end up being the tipping point in the election.

I would hope that ALL OF YOU point out the difference between how a Clinton or Trump presidency would react to global warming.....and I hope that you all talk with family/friends/relatives to vote for Clinton (or against Trump).

 

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 19, 2016, 03:18:40 PM
More information coming from Ukraine....tying Paul Manafort (Trump's campaign manager) to payments from the ousted Ukranian regime (now residing in Russia).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ukraine-trump-campaign-payment-claims_us_57b6ea5be4b0b51733a2b845?section=& (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ukraine-trump-campaign-payment-claims_us_57b6ea5be4b0b51733a2b845?section=&)

I'm sure the Democrat's will bridge the "budding bromance" between Putin and "Comrade Trump" with this and other information.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 19, 2016, 04:48:52 PM
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I agree. It sure fits his character better than running for president. Do you think the "Trump Network" will be to the right of FOX News?

Good question.  Depends who is calling the shots...Ailes or Bannon.  The question you ask is like asking "how far in the ditch are they going to be."
 

I think the first talk show host they would hire away from Fox would be Sean Hannity.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 19, 2016, 06:09:25 PM
First things first...

Trump is going to be putting on a full court press to try and win the election.  THAT....is job one for him now.  He will do and say ANTHING to do that.  Apparently....he will even act "tolerable" now.

They fired Manafort today.  Ailes is calling the shots on that.  Ailes is the king maker in this setup.

Banon will be the field "operative" digging up anything and everything he can.

His new "campaign manager" will be overseeing the "everyday...how do I make him look like a President" types of things.  Like....going to Louisiana to check in on the flood victims.

The trouble Trump has.....is that he has a years worth of video showing him to act like a bigoted idiot that doesn't have the temperament to be president.  So now....for the next 80 some days....he has to fool enough people into believing that he is a "changed man" with a mild temperament.

There are a LOT of gullible people out there......  Look at all the people that voted for him before.

So before you start talking about a new show or channel starring "The Donald".....people have to make SURE HE DOESN'T GET INTO OFFICE.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 20, 2016, 02:06:47 AM
I understand your concerns Buddy, but I think you're getting carried away. I don't want to see Trump become president either, however the odds are very long. Trump network is far more likely to happen.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 20, 2016, 05:09:08 PM
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I understand your concerns Buddy, but I think you're getting carried away. I don't want to see Trump become president either, however the odds are very long. Trump network is far more likely to happen.

I happen to think the odds are long myself.  But NEVER.....EVER....underestimate your "foe".  EVER.  Just as Michael Dukakis.  Take a look at the link below for some reality as to what can happen:

http://www.csmonitor.com/1988/0811/agall.html (http://www.csmonitor.com/1988/0811/agall.html)

It is EARLY.....and there is PLENTY of time....as well as historical precedence....for Trump to make up ground.

I would LOVE for Clinton to SQUASH Trump by 20.  But I look at reality....

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 20, 2016, 06:26:01 PM
Thanks for the article. I followed the 1988 campaign pretty closely, but had forgotten how big the post convention bounce was.

In order for Trump to come even close to winning, he's going to have to be a completely different candidate than he's shown so far. There's no way he can keep up that façade for long.

The only thing that worries me is a late October surprise that if damaging enough would tip the scales and put Trump over the top. That aside, I'd like to see Clinton win by 20% too but her unfavorables are too high for that to happen.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: OldLeatherneck on August 21, 2016, 07:34:19 PM
This may sound counter-intuitive, however, I believe that the less Hillary and her campaign talk about Climate Change during the 2016 election, the better off her campaign will be.

My rationale for this is that a significant number of Republicans and independents are indicating that they either will, or might, vote for Hillary because they view Trump as being totally unfit to be President.  Sadly, a good number of those same voters may believe that Climate Change is a hoax. Too much conversation about Climate Change may cause them to switch back to voting for Trump.

Between now and the election, the Republicans are going to continue to hammer away at Hillary over her past decisions and actions.  This will include any number of blatant lies and unfounded conspiracy theories. The only thing that could cause Hillary to lose the election would be the release of damning evidence that can not be refuted.

As it stands now, Hillary will probably win the election and the Democrats will gain control of the Senate.  This means that the Republican controlled House of  Representatives will not be able to completely defund Climate Change research.

In my humble opinion, this is  the best we can hope for in 2016.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 21, 2016, 07:51:24 PM
This may sound counter-intuitive, however, I believe that the less Hillary and her campaign talk about Climate Change during the 2016 election, the better off her campaign will be.

My rationale for this is that a significant number of Republicans and independents are indicating that they either will, or might, vote for Hillary because they view Trump as being totally unfit to be President.  Sadly, a good number of those same voters may believe that Climate Change is a hoax. Too much conversation about Climate Change may cause them to switch back to voting for Trump.

I agree and Clinton's main focus should continue to be Trump being unfit to serve as President. It just occurred to me that the term "serve" is probably not in Trump's vocabulary, unless he plays tennis or volleyball.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: TerryM on August 22, 2016, 06:05:43 AM
OLN
Hard to have any feel for how things are going from afar. Trump can't be allowed to win, but I wish that an alternative to Hillary was possible.
I don't doubt her climate change bonafides, but her stance re. Russia scares me. Unfortunately I fear impending conflict even more than I fear impending warming.
My wife asked me who she should vote for, (she's still an American), and I held my nose and advised Hillary. If she starts a war I'll forever rue those words.
Terry
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 22, 2016, 08:40:14 AM
Here's an article from the NY Times about Sean Hannity and his involvement with the Trump campaign.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 22, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
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I don't doubt her climate change bonafides, but her stance re. Russia scares me.

If Donald Trump CAN'T make a good decision on climate change even with the OVERWHELMING amount of evidence......what kind of decisions is he going to make when the information is far less assured?  Evidence on economic issues is anything BUT CLEAR.  Evidence on foreign relations is many times murky.  If he can't make a good decisions when evidence is clear....what types of decisions is he going to make when it isn't clear?

Donald Trump discusses foreign policy with...... DONALD TRUMP.  Does anyone REALLY think he will make good decisions?  Let's see what Donald says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2lBz0532wU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2lBz0532wU)

As much as I am NOT a big Hillary fan.....this is the easiest choice I have made for President EVER...and I am an Independent voter.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 22, 2016, 01:06:25 PM
One more thing.....

A good way to judge what a person is like....is by those he surrounds himself with.  So who are Trump's two closest advisors?

1)  Roger Ailes:  The founder of FOX News.....easily the most dishonest "network" on television.  In addition....Ailes sounds as though he is a sexual predator at work.

2)  Stephen Bannon:  The former CEO of "Breitbart News"....an "alt right" blog that is worse than FOX News.  I know....that seems impossible.  Think of Breitbart News as a MORE BIGGOTED.....a more NARROW MINDED FOX News.  You know those trashy entertainment magazines they always have at the check out stand in your grocery store?  Breitbart News is the political version of those.

So if those are Trump's two top advisors.....what does that say about Donald Trump and the types of decisions he will make?
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 22, 2016, 02:37:56 PM
Here's a good article about Trump from a VERY REPUBLICAN (conservative) blog....Redstate.  It is well worth the read and nails Trump PERFECTLY:

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/08/21/guess-trump-tired-winning-already/ (http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/08/21/guess-trump-tired-winning-already/)

By the way......that country that Trump wants to "make great again".....ended up with 121 medals at the Olympics (46 gold).  The US also ended up with the largest margin between its 121 medals....and the second place country China's 70 medals......since the 1932 Olympics.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 22, 2016, 09:40:01 PM
Buddy: In regards to Trump, I think you're preaching to the choir. I expect that 98% or more of the members of this forum have similar feelings about Trump.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 22, 2016, 09:45:21 PM
By the way......that country that Trump wants to "make great again".....ended up with 121 medals at the Olympics (46 gold).  The US also ended up with the largest margin between its 121 medals....and the second place country China's 70 medals......since the 1932 Olympics.

I'm happy the U.S. did so well at the Olympics, but is our supposed athletic superiority a true measure of our country being great?
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 22, 2016, 10:49:27 PM
Interesting article.  I guess if Trump wants good coverage and no hard questions....there is only one place to go:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-fox_us_57bb3ef5e4b0b51733a4f408?section=& (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-fox_us_57bb3ef5e4b0b51733a4f408?section=&)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: OldLeatherneck on August 23, 2016, 01:08:39 AM
By the way......that country that Trump wants to "make great again".....ended up with 121 medals at the Olympics (46 gold).  The US also ended up with the largest margin between its 121 medals....and the second place country China's 70 medals......since the 1932 Olympics.

I'm happy the U.S. did so well at the Olympics, but is our supposed athletic superiority a true measure of our country being great?

Any greatness that was achieved by the US athletes in the competition was erased by the juvenile and offensive behavior of Ryan Lochte and the other member of the swimming team that behaved so poorly.  Since Lochte is 32 years old and well funded, there is no earthly excuse for his behavior. I will not accept "boys will be boys" as an excuse.

Admittedly, I was a bit carefree in my late teens and early twenties, however, there came a time when I had matured enough to behave myself, particularly when I've represented my country in foreign lands.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 23, 2016, 02:11:43 AM
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Any greatness that was achieved by the US athletes in the competition was erased by the juvenile and offensive behavior of Ryan Lochte and the other member of the swimming team that behaved so poorly.  Since Lochte is 32 years old and well funded, there is no earthly excuse for his behavior. I will not accept "boys will be boys" as an excuse.

I agree....wholeheartedly.  He DEFINITELY tarnished what others achieved.  And I see that Ralph Lauren and Speedo canceled their contracts with him.  A foolish night's antics.....  I hope he learns.  As far as his swimming career with the US team...it is likely over.

But on the OTHER SIDE.....it was WONDERFUL to see some great athletes (from the US and other countries) perform extremely well....and show some great sportsmanship.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/21/new-zealand-and-us-runners-awarded-for-sportsmanship. (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/21/new-zealand-and-us-runners-awarded-for-sportsmanship.)

I LOVE the Olympic games.  Glad to see Mo Farah win the 5K and 10K (for Great Britain).  GREAT RUNNER...  And GB had a GREAT Olympics....

All in all....a great Olympics....
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 23, 2016, 03:57:42 PM
Trump cancels rallies in Oregon, Nevada, and Colorado:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/08/22/trump-cancels-nevada-colorado-oregon/89122820/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/08/22/trump-cancels-nevada-colorado-oregon/89122820/)

As I said a week ago.....Trump has to take Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Ohio.  ALL OF THEM.  I think we will see him ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY in those 4 states over the remainder of the campaign except when it "doubles" as a donation raising trip.

The more time he wastes in states like Oregon, Virginia, Colorado...etc....the better it is for Clinton.

You can "create your own map" (link below) and you will see that given today's numbers....those 4 states are MUST HAVES by Trump.

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/create_your_own_president_map.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/create_your_own_president_map.html)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 24, 2016, 07:40:40 AM
Buddy: You changed your signature line a little, Fox News/ Trump Channel.  Very apropos!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 24, 2016, 09:56:23 AM
The linked May 2016 article by David Dunning indicates that Trumps popularity can be explained by the Dunning-Kruger Effect:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-supporters-dunning-kruger-effect-213904 (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-supporters-dunning-kruger-effect-213904)

Extract: "The Psychological Quirk That Explains Why You Love Donald Trump
The popularity of the GOP front-runner can be explained by the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

...

This syndrome may well be the key to the Trump voter—and perhaps even to the man himself. Trump has served up numerous illustrative examples of the effect as he continues his confident audition to be leader of the free world even as he seems to lack crucial information about the job. In a December debate he appeared ignorant of what the nuclear triad is. Elsewhere, he has mused that Japan and South Korea should develop their own nuclear weapons—casually reversing decades of U.S. foreign policy.

Many commentators have pointed to these confident missteps as products of Trump’s alleged narcissism and egotism. My take would be that it's the other way around. Not seeing the mistakes for what they are allows any potential narcissism and egotism to expand unchecked.

...

But the key lesson of the Dunning-Kruger framework is that it applies to all of us, sooner or later. Each of us at some point reaches the limits of our expertise and knowledge. Those limits make our misjudgments that lie beyond those boundaries undetectable to us.

As such, if we find ourselves worried about the apparent gullibility of the Trump voter, which may be flamboyant and obvious, we should surely worry about our own naive political opinions that are likely to be more nuanced, subtle, and invisible—but perhaps no less consequential. We all run the risk of being too ill-informed to notice when our own favored candidates or national leaders make catastrophic misjudgments.

To be sure, I don’t wish to leave the reader with a fatal hesitation about supporting any candidate. All I am saying is trust, but verify.

Thomas Jefferson once observed that “if a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." The Trump phenomenon makes visible something that has been true for quite some time now. As a citizenry, we can be massively ill-informed. Yet, our society remains relatively free."


See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect)

Extract: "The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately. Their research also suggests corollaries: high-ability individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.

Dunning and Kruger have postulated that the effect is the result of internal illusion in those of low ability, and external misperception in those of high ability: "The miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others.""
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 24, 2016, 10:18:21 AM
The following article from May 2016, examines evidence of Trump's Mob ties:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910 (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910)

Extract: "Just What Were Donald Trump's Ties to the Mob?
I've spent years investigating, and here's what's known.

...

What Trump has to say about the reasons for his long, close and wide-ranging dealings with organized crime figures, with the role of mobsters in cheating Trump Tower workers, his dealings with Felix Sater and Trump’s seeming leniency for Weichselbaum, are questions that voters deserve full answers about before casting their ballots."


Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 24, 2016, 01:03:45 PM
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Buddy: You changed your signature line a little, Fox News/ Trump Channel.  Very apropos!

Yea.  Fox has definitely "exposed" themselves this election cycle.  With Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly FULLY on board the "Trump Train".....as well as their "understudies" like Eric Boling and the rest of FOX.

They really need to get rid of the "fair and balanced" tag line.  It NEVER was true....and now it is clear for even die hard Trumpies.

If Trump loses (assuming there IS a God:)......then we will "gain" another right wing nut show with Bannon, Trump, Ailes and company.

England and France are looking BETTER AND BETTER....


Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 24, 2016, 01:15:58 PM
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Extract: "The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately. Their research also suggests corollaries: high-ability individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.

Powerful....and true.  You see this in the corporate world ALL THE TIME.  And they are right....it goes both ways.  I had a boss one time....a CFO....who really SHOULD HAVE BEEN the CEO.  I don't know that he knew just HOW GOOD he really was...and how much he was an "operational guy" as well as a "finance guy."

I also worked for a CEO who had NO IDEA how woefully inadequate he was.  NO CLUE.  And his ego blinded him to his poor decisions.

We ALL see things through our OWN EYES and we have bias that is formed by our experiences as well as our DNA.  And yes...our eyes can and do deceive us.  Psychology is the BIGGEST AREA where mankind seems to be woefully lacking...and it is slowing down mankind's advance as a society.

And that is where the "free press" SHOULD be stepping in and calling out those who are making "bad calls".....and those that are lying.  The press needs to hold them accountable.



Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 25, 2016, 01:54:04 PM
The Race has tightened over the last 10 days.  Nate Silver's fivethirtyeight.com had the national vote at about a 9% gap....and now it is a 7% gap between Clinton and Trump. 

I would expect that gap to shrink further.  There are about 70 days left...and that is a LOT of time to shrink those differences.  That is very doable IF there are enough people who fall for the Trump con job.

The states of Colorado, Virginia, and Pennsylvania are really what is Clinton's "firewall."  Virginia and Colorado are about 10% or slightly more in the Clinton camp right now...and barring something REALLY strange....I consider "fairly safe".  Pennsylvania is THEE KEY STATE for BOTH parties as it stands right now.  As Pennsylvania goes.....so will go the election.

Clinton can lose Nevada, Iowa, Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio (those states are ALL very close right now)....but she CAN'T lose Pennsylvania and still get to 270 electoral votes.  Nor can Trump get to 270 without Pennsylvania.

The Trump campaign manager thinks that Trump "has a road to 288".....which would mean she thinks Trump can take Virginia.  I don't think he can.  Tim Kaine....the VP running mate for Clinton is the Virginia governor....and a VERY POPULAR governor at that.  Also....Virginia has a lot of new college educated voters that are going against Trump in this election cycle.  Virginia is much like Colorado....only Colorado has a larger Hispanic voter base which is also not good for Trump in Colorado.

I guess the good thing here in the US.....is that we will know early in the evening on election night, who has won since Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Florida are east coast time....and Ohio is 1 hour later (I think).

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/create_your_own_president_map.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/create_your_own_president_map.html)





Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: sidd on August 25, 2016, 08:12:24 PM
ohio is in east coast timezone. Indiana is a patchwork ... closing time at bars and carryout hours in stores depend on which county you are in ...
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 26, 2016, 02:58:55 PM
A funny election video clip for your morning wake up call by Seth Myers.  Enjoy.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/seth-meyers-invokes-donald-trumps-penis-to-rip-immigration-softening_us_57c01190e4b085c1ff28d973?section=& (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/seth-meyers-invokes-donald-trumps-penis-to-rip-immigration-softening_us_57c01190e4b085c1ff28d973?section=&)

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 27, 2016, 01:18:53 AM
The New Yorker analyzes the case that Donald Trump is a con artist; and that a major part of the American public may be too self-deluded to acknowledge this probability; which speaks volumes of how readily a great many Americans can delude themselves about climate change:

http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/donald-trump-con-artist (http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/donald-trump-con-artist)

Extract: "This raises a depressing possibility. If Trump is indeed a con artist, and if he is, in the end, elected, we may end up not wanting to admit that we were scammed. At the moment, Trump’s supporters see him as authentic and honest, even as they dismiss more traditional candidates, like Hillary Clinton, as quintessential politicians—that is, as opportunistic liars. Perhaps, in the future, we’ll cling to this belief to preserve our collective self-image. In that case, the term “con artist” may end up applying to us, too."
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: CraigsIsland on August 27, 2016, 01:22:42 AM
I think "bullshitter" is more accurate than "con-artist". It's not so much about the con (of conning the American people), it's more about his capability to do the job and where his real interests lie in.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 27, 2016, 07:17:05 AM
Trump is so overconfident in his own abilities. His followers view him as some kind of messiah. There's a lot of good people who are so frustrated with the status quo, that they actually believe he can magically make it all better. I sincerely hope he doesn't get elected. If he loses to Hillary, his followers will be disappointed, but they'll continue to believe that he's the answer. If he wins the election, they'll be far more disappointed when they see that their "savior" is woefully unprepared to lead the country.

I cant believe I'm actually thinking of this as a viable alternative but it might be better if he did get elected. If he did, in two years time I imagine everyone will want to tar and feather him and send him out on a rail. Surely a fate he richly deserves!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 30, 2016, 11:14:30 AM
Here's a little Trump humor for everyone's enjoyment.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 30, 2016, 03:02:53 PM
Here's  a very interesting video clip from the Rachel Maddow show last night regarding presidential "letters of health" that are done by EVERY candidate for President....for ages.  Specifically....it digs into the SHORT LETTER from Donald Trump's physician and the circumstances around it...and the specifics of it....including an NBC interview of his physician:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-s-doctor-softens-on-trump-s-health-754038339539 (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-s-doctor-softens-on-trump-s-health-754038339539)

The physician "letter" in total is below.  As you will see....it is SHORT, VAGUE, and sounds like it was written by Donald Trump...not a serious physician:

So...not only has Donald Trump NOT RELEASED HIS TAX RETURNS....UNLIKE EVERY CANDIDATE SINCE THE early 1970's.....but NOW he has NOT released a "true" physician letter.

He would be....BY FAR....the most "opaque" and "undisclosed" president of modern times....by a long ways.  No tax returns (which he will NEVER release, even if he is elected)....and no REAL physician letter.

If you want a good laugh.....read Trump's "physician letter":

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/14/donald-trump-health-doctor-letter-americas-healthiest-president (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/14/donald-trump-health-doctor-letter-americas-healthiest-president)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 31, 2016, 06:13:37 AM
Looks like candidate Trump will be meeting with the president of Mexico today. Should be interesting!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 31, 2016, 10:17:18 PM
Clinton's lead now down to about 5.3% per fivethirtyeight.com.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/)

This "could" come down to "the Keystone state" (Pennsylvania).  I guess Pennsylvania's nickname may be appropriate for this election....

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 31, 2016, 10:50:54 PM
Buddy: I'd like to know what you think of Trump's visit with the Mexican president.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: TerryM on August 31, 2016, 10:55:29 PM
Buddy: I'd like to know what you think of Trump's visit with the Mexican president.
Are they disarmed, or allowed knives?
Terry
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on August 31, 2016, 10:59:35 PM
Buddy: I'd like to know what you think of Trump's visit with the Mexican president.
Are they disarmed, or allowed knives?
Terry

The Mexicans or Trump's entourage?
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on August 31, 2016, 11:20:42 PM
Trump is no dummy.  He may be EGOTISTICAL.....AN OUTRIGHT LIAR.......AND UNETHICAL....but he and his team understand politics.

The trip was meant to make him "look presidential."  So...in that....he succeeded (unless....like me, you don't buy the con).

There will be NO WAY that Mexico.....EVER...pays for the wall.  In fact...it will NEVER BE BUILT.

The election is a production for Trump.  And...it could...if enough people get conned...work.

The first debate should be interesting.....and the ratings will off the charts.  Anyone who has a bad performance there, will be behind the eight ball.  Expect polls to tighten as we approach the debate in 3+ weeks.

Watching election polls....is somewhat like the stock market.  NOBODY cares what YOU paid for your stock.....it is all about what EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS about the stock that is important.

For me....I can't understand why ANYONE would vote for him.  But it isn't ME that is important....it's what everybody else thinks.  And November 8th....we'll find out.





Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 01, 2016, 02:08:08 AM
I watched part of the joint news conference and later read a CNN article about the meeting. Trump is definitely not a dummy. That meeting gave him an aura of credibility that could boost his poll numbers for a few days or at least until he commits his next gaffe.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 01, 2016, 06:59:45 AM
For me....I can't understand why ANYONE would vote for him.  But it isn't ME that is important....it's what everybody else thinks.  And November 8th....we'll find out.

Fivethirtyeight.com is showing Trump closing the gap slightly. As far as understanding why some people will vote for someone we find repulsive, you have to view the world from their perspective I suppose. I'm sure there are a lot of Trump voters wondering how anyone could possibly vote for Hillary.

What amazes me is some of these people would have voted for her in 2008, but eight years later, they don't trust her. Why? It could have to do with Benghazi and her private email server. I think it has more to do with what has happened in the last eight years. For reasons I don't completely understand, the political landscape has changed drastically.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 01, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
Here is the video of the 8/31/2016 Rachel Maddow show (Wednesday night).  The first 5 minutes of the video discusses how Trump tried to set up a meeting with Israel's prime minister....but he later LIED about saying he was going to meet with the prime minister.....and then later tried to set up a meeting with Ireland's leader.....but that didn't work out because the leader of Ireland said he would tell Trump to his face what a racist he is.

It is truly interesting how EASILY TRUMP LIES.  They just roll off his tongue.

The video of Rachel's show runs for the first 30 minutes....but I only think the first 5 minutes are interesting.   From 30 minutes on....it is the speech on Wednesday night in Arizona....where he discarded his "diplomatic Donald" for the Donald we're used to seeing:  Crazy Donald...

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show# (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show#)!#full-episodes
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 01, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
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I'm sure there are a lot of Trump voters wondering how anyone could possibly vote for Hillary.

I'm NOT a big Clinton fan.  It is more that Trump is making Clinton look good to me.

If I were on a deserted island.....and there were only two women on the island....and one of them was a "3" (out of 10....10 being highest) and one was 1.......the "3" would look pretty good compared to the 1.

That's about where I am with both of these.  AND......Hillary's running mate, Tim Kaine, I like a lot.

It looks like "crazy bigoted Donald" showed up at his "immigration speech" last night in Arizona.  That should help.  As long as THE REAL DONALD TRUMP shoes up every once in a while....THAT will be good for Clinton.



 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 01, 2016, 08:13:37 PM
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I'm sure there are a lot of Trump voters wondering how anyone could possibly vote for Hillary.

I'm NOT a big Clinton fan.  It is more that Trump is making Clinton look good to me.

If I were on a deserted island.....and there were only two women on the island....and one of them was a "3" (out of 10....10 being highest) and one was 1.......the "3" would look pretty good compared to the 1.

That's about where I am with both of these.  AND......Hillary's running mate, Tim Kaine, I like a lot.

It looks like "crazy bigoted Donald" showed up at his "immigration speech" last night in Arizona.  That should help.  As long as THE REAL DONALD TRUMP shoes up every once in a while....THAT  will be good for Clinton.

I agree, Trump does make Clinton look good and I do like Tim Kaine.

Trump came across pretty well with his visit to Mexico, but his "immigration speech" negated any gains he might have made, (excepting his own supporters).
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: mati on September 01, 2016, 09:54:01 PM
As a Canadian i cannot understand the hatred spewed out against Hillary Clinton.  It boggles my mind, but then again I remember my selective set of Americans that I know, and then it all makes sense... they really have a very very narrow view of the world.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 01, 2016, 10:22:18 PM
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As a Canadian i cannot understand the hatred spewed out against Hillary Clinton.  It boggles my mind, but then again I remember my selective set of Americans that I know, and then it all makes sense... they really have a very very narrow view of the world.

I call it "the FOX News effect."  But it is just more than FOX.  Breitbart News......and other "far right wing" sweatshops have had it in for her for a long time.  It goes back to the days when her husband was the President.  Some of it is likely because of him.  But from "the right" there is a real hatred.  And while she sure as heck did NOT do everything correctly.....the far right makes it out to be WAY WORSE than reality.  Especially the Benghazi issue.

The "email issue"....I can understand why people dislike what she did.  But since ANYONE INCLUDING THE CIA AND DEFENSE DEPARTMENT'S can be hacked into....it isn't a big deal to me that she used her "personal server."  That....to me....is being more of a "technical idiot".....than anything else.  I'm MUCH MORE concerned about the CONTENT of emails than I am concerned about what server they were on.

And the Clinton Foundation stuff......it's pretty much bull.  The Clinton Foundation does CHARITY WORK....it isn't there business.  Heaven forbid we have private foundations that give money to needy people in the world. 

Journalism here in the states is PRETTY DAMN CRAPPY.  FOX News is a lie machine.  CNN doesn't have any "kahonies" (balls).....some of MSNBC is OK (Morning Joe..is balanced between conservative and liberal)...but overall, journalism here sucks.  And anyone who watches FOX News thinks that (1) liberals and moderates are trying to take away their guns (2) if everyone were only a Christian than everything would be great (3) Obama is Satin, and (4) global warming is a con job from all the climate scientists in the world.

Politics is pretty crazy right now in the states.... It will be funny to see all the "crazies" running for cover as global warming continues to march UPWARDS over the next 5 years and further.

If you're ever in TOO GOOD A MOOD sometime....just turn on FOX News in the US.  Guaranteed to put you in a bad mood.....:)

 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 01, 2016, 11:10:37 PM
As a Canadian i cannot understand the hatred spewed out against Hillary Clinton.  It boggles my mind, but then again I remember my selective set of Americans that I know, and then it all makes sense... they really have a very very narrow view of the world.

Yes Mati it does boggle the mind and there are a lot of reactionaries in the U.S., and it's a bit scary at times. I am also in general agreement with Buddy's comments above. There must be some reactionary types in Canada as well, perhaps far fewer in number. Are any of them as unhinged as ours?
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: P-maker on September 01, 2016, 11:44:20 PM
Buddy:

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I call it "the FOX News effect."

I am not really sure you are right. Actually, I think it started off with the Weather Channel. As soon as this – presumably sciency – channel started to spew out commercials along with weather disasters, I think we entered the “Post-factual Society”.

The cognitive dissonance in people’s heads started to accumulate. One could – quite wrongfully – get the impression from watching this channel, that a 3.5 ton SUV might be able to save you and your family from all the hardship in the World, including tornadoes, hurricanes, snow storms, tsunamis and other calamities such as civil wars. By introducing commercials, which showed the root cause of the problem as the savior of all times, most people were distracted by that fact that a 3.5 ton truck is also going to sink next time your area gets flooded.

FOX News is about politics, which most people know is mainly about who is best at lying.

F..king up the basic instincts of people – such as the flea or fight mechanism – is really bad for society.

You guys over there in the trailer parks really deserve DJT!

Please have a closer look at the guy coming your way: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-caldwell/dj-trump-psychopath_b_9307400.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-caldwell/dj-trump-psychopath_b_9307400.html)



Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: TerryM on September 02, 2016, 12:02:51 AM
Before Canadians get too self righteous, perhaps we should remember our late great 'Smoke it if you got it' Major Ford, 'Toll Road' Premier Harris & certainly not the least 'Silence of the Scientists' star P.M. Stephen Harper.
We managed to dump them all eventually, but I'd put them right up there with the worst that our neighbors to the south have elected.
Terry
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 02, 2016, 12:33:14 AM
Buddy:

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I call it "the FOX News effect."

By introducing commercials, which showed the root cause of the problem as the savior of all times, most people were distracted by that fact that a 3.5 ton truck is also going to sink next time your area gets flooded.

Commercials, (aka; propaganda) have been around a lot longer than the weather channel, but I get what you're saying. Being originally from New Hampshire, I'm reminded of many trips to the mountains on snow covered roads. What usually ends up happening to those type A personalities driving their Hummers, Tahoes and Armadas is they end up sliding off the road into the woods and end up needing a tow!

As to the SUV or truck sinking in a flooded area, perhaps it was equipped with a snorkel?
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 02, 2016, 03:16:37 PM
Let's see if this is the end of the "Clinton slide" over the past few weeks....

a)  Have polls reached "equilibrium" and will stay about where they are now...until the first debate?

b)  Or...is this the beginning of a "Clinton bump up" in polls.....after Dishonest Don went to Mexico....and then came back and delivered his speech in Arizona?

Will be interesting to watch polls over the next 3 weeks leading up to the debate...
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 02, 2016, 09:53:55 PM
This isn't DIRECTLY on topic....but it IS about FOX News....and it IS about Roger Ailes....and Ailes is now an "advisor" to Trump.

It doesn't get much better than this....I'll take this as an early Xmas present from Gretchen Carlson to society in general:

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/gretchen-carlson-taped-roger-ailes-sexual-164521098.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/gretchen-carlson-taped-roger-ailes-sexual-164521098.html)

I would think that Gretchen's payout for Ailes' sexual harassment just tripled in amount....

You can judge a person by "the company he keeps".  Donald Trump thinks the world of Roger Ailes.....and a whole host of other "less than desirable folks.  He sure knows how to pick his friends....:)



Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: sidd on September 02, 2016, 11:42:11 PM
In other news, from the Grange fair in PA, one of the oldest grange fairs, a snippet from an unnamed correspondent:

--begin quote
"This is Central PA," explained my 67 year old farmer buddy, taking a huge toke off his homegrown spliff, "and if you say you're not voting for Trump, you'll get punched in the face."

"We know he ain't going to bring coal jobs back. We don't trust him, but we trust the other one even less."
--end quote

Low population density round there, might not matter.

sidd
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 02, 2016, 11:53:01 PM
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Low population density round there, might not matter.

Trump will take rural PA quite decisively. However....in Pennsylvania....EVERY VOTE WILL COUNT.

It is still pretty amazing to me.....that the only person Trump could beat on the Democratic side is Hillary.....and the only one that Hillary can beat on the Republican side is Trump.  Boy did we get a "raw deal" this time....

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 03, 2016, 06:58:49 AM
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Low population density round there, might not matter.

Boy did we get a "raw deal" this time....


raw deal indeed and the cost for both candidates combined will be in the vicinity of two billion dollars.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 03, 2016, 01:32:50 PM
New Clinton ad about Trump's trip to Mexico:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-clinton-attack-ad-trumps-embarrassment-in-mexico/article/2600883 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-clinton-attack-ad-trumps-embarrassment-in-mexico/article/2600883)

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 03, 2016, 06:01:40 PM
That is a great ad Buddy. Another self-inflicted wound by the Donald.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 04, 2016, 04:40:32 PM
More Trump cartoons.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 04, 2016, 04:59:10 PM
Here's some information regarding the issue of Donald Trump NOT releasing ANY of his tax returns.  I'm a CPA and spent 10 years in accounting and tax...and I can tell you there is not ANY REASON for Trump NOT to release his tax returns.....other than it will be EMBARRASING FOR HIM when people discover...:

A)  He isn't worth NEARLY what he said he is worth....because his income is WAY BELOW what it could/should be for someone who SAYS he is worth $10 BILLION DOLLARS (he's not...not even close).

B)  He hasn't contributed even CLOSE to what he said he has contributed to charities.  That would be VERY OBVIOUS due to his lack of charitable contributions on his itemized deductions.

I had the good fortune and FUN really.....of working on some extremely COMPLICATED and VOLUMINOUS tax returns.  One of them....everyone on this site (worldwide) would recognize the last name (and no....I will NOT disclose that name.....a good CPA WOULDN'T release any information tied to a person's tax return WITHOUT their express approval).

If I were in Donald Trump's campaign....and I believed in what Trump was doing or would do....one of the first things I would tell him is RELEASE YOUR TAX RETURNS FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.

But he will NEVER....EVER....release his returns because of the two issues mentioned above.

Here's a good article on his tax returns:

https://thinkprogress.org/the-big-lie-about-donald-trumps-tax-returns-585aa23bf529#.e6c9otq86
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 04, 2016, 05:33:03 PM


If I were in Donald Trump's campaign....and I believed in what Trump was doing or would do....one of the first things I would tell him is RELEASE YOUR TAX RETURNS FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.

But he will NEVER....EVER....release his returns because of the two issues mentioned above.


According to the attached CNN article, Pence says he will release his tax returns next week, and said Trump will release his returns once the audit is complete. I'm guessing the audit will be completed sometime in mid November!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 05, 2016, 11:09:24 AM
The conservative republican from Arizona (Jeff Flake) refuses to endorse Trump. The attached article discusses Trump's response.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 06, 2016, 06:16:16 PM
THAT didn't take long.  It's amazing what having the tape recordings of what Ailes actually said will do...:)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-news-gretchen-carlson-settlement-roger-ailes_us_57cec0aee4b0a22de096d72c?section=& (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-news-gretchen-carlson-settlement-roger-ailes_us_57cec0aee4b0a22de096d72c?section=&)

Plus...a SLEAZZY operation like FOX wants to put this issue to bed as soon as possible.....so they can get back to their other business of lying about global warming.....and lying for Trump.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 07, 2016, 08:03:54 AM
Per the fivethirtyeight.com website, Trump seems to be closing the gap with Clinton. At present, if Clinton lost Ohio and Florida, he would win the election considering the "polls plus" or "polls only" forecasts. I find it hard to believe but the Donald could still win the election.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 07, 2016, 01:16:42 PM
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Per the fivethirtyeight.com website, Trump seems to be closing the gap with Clinton.

yes....the race has been tightening for about 3 weeks now....and the NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE IS LIKELY WITHIN 3% - 4%now (down from about 8%).

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At present, if Clinton lost Ohio and Florida, he would win the election considering the "polls plus" or "polls only" forecasts.

No...not true.  As of TODAY....Trump would still need to "flip" another state.  The two most likely states for Trump to flip would be Pennsylvania or Wisconsin (both of which have not gone Republican in AGES).

If you take fivethirtyeights "polls plus forecast" HERE:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo)

And plug those appropriate red or blue states in the model HERE:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/create_your_own_president_map.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/create_your_own_president_map.html)

You would see that Hillary would win 325 electoral votes to Trumps 212.  THEN....even if you take Nevada, Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina AWAY FROM CLINTON.....she STILL wins with 272.

Trump needs to "flip" Pennsylvania or Wisconsin to win.   

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/create_your_own_president_map.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/create_your_own_president_map.html)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 07, 2016, 01:26:09 PM
Having lived in Fort Worth, Texas and Addison, Texas (just north of Dallas) several years ago.....I can't tell you just how MIND BLOWING the next link is:

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20160907-we-recommend-hillary-clinton-for-u.s.-president.ece (http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20160907-we-recommend-hillary-clinton-for-u.s.-president.ece)

The Dallas Morning News (which is a great paper by the way....I loved it) endorsed Hillary Clinton this morning.  That is about like the New York Yankees endorsing the New York Mets.  I NEVER thought I would see that.

And keep in mind......that Texas is "fairly close" (within 5%)....and Marc Cuban (owner of the Dallas Mavericks and member of the TV "Shark Tank" cast)....has also endorsed Clinton.

Does that open up another "route" for Hillary?  We'll know in another month as more Texas state polling is done.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 07, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
If you want to understand how easily some people can be "conned".....then you need to read the article about Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-exclusive (http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-exclusive)

It reminds me A LOT about Donald Trump.  Trump has built up a "smoke and mirrors" brand built on lies and gross exaggerations.  And just like Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos.....a lot of people have "bought in" so to speak.

In Theranos.....people wanted to believe because (a) they wanted to make money, and (b) it would be great for society (blood testing at a fraction of the cost....without having to take a lot of blood out for testing).

If you take the time to read the article slowly.....think about Trump's businesses and his campaign.  Many of the same tactics are used (like attacking the press....and being secretive like not releasing a true medical report and not releasing tax returns....and Trump not using email).
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 07, 2016, 04:04:07 PM
In reference to reply #143, I have to disagree with you Buddy. From what I see of the "polls only" map this morning, all I have to do is add the 47 electoral votes, (florida and ohio combined) to Trump's electoral vote total and that puts him over 270.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 07, 2016, 04:24:45 PM
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In reference to reply #143, I have to disagree with you Buddy. From what I see of the "polls only" map this morning, all I have to do is add the 47 electoral votes, (florida and ohio combined) to Trump's electoral vote total and that puts him over 270.

I think you are "reading" the fivethirtyeight.com INCORRECTLY.

If you would have done as I suggested......IE:  Take the RED STATES and the BLUE STATES from 538.com....and "plugged" those states into the "state calculation model link" that I provided for you....you would have come up with the numbers I said you would come up with.

Fivethirtyeight.com runs THOUSANDS of "iterations".  Here is the last run:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo)

You can't just "take Florida and Ohio" and ADD IT TO THE NUMBER THAT 538 has.  If you look at the MAP from the 538 link......you WON'T COME UP WITH 304.6.  You see....538 uses "shades" of states to denote how close or far away from "even" they are.

If you DO what I asked you to do in the LAST MESSAGE.....you will see that.....indeed....Clinton will win (as of NOW) UNLESS TRUMP WINS PENNSYLVANIA or WISCONSIN.  it is a BASIC MATH QUESTION.....which you can PROVE.....by plugging in the numbers as I noted on my last message.

You see.....538.com's "number" of 232 votes for Trump as of now.....ALREADY INCLUDES HIS 45% CHANCE OF WINNING FLORIDA and 45% CHANCE OF WINNING OHIO.  You would be "double counting" by the number ALREADY INCLUDED IN 538.com's number.  AND....you would be giving Donald Trump a 100% chance of winning both Ohio and Florida.

Trust me.  Go to Realclearpolitics.com....and do as I had noted....and you can run any number of combinations you want.  You will find that AS OF NOW.....Pennsylvania or Wisconsin HAVE TO BE FLIPPED BY TRUMP.  It is basic math (not trying to be "snarky".....it is a math question).

So....go to the link below....and plug in the numbers from the 538.com site....INTO THE REALCLEARPOLITICS "make your own map" site....and you will prove it for yourself.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/create_your_own_president_map.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/create_your_own_president_map.html)
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo)


Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 07, 2016, 04:41:45 PM
I'll have to reconsider what you said Buddy. For the moment, I still think it is as simple as adding and subtracting, but as my wife likes to point out at times, I can be wrong even when I think I'm right! I'll do as you suggested over the next couple days and get back to you.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 07, 2016, 04:44:26 PM
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I'll have to reconsider what you said Buddy. For the moment, I still think it is as simple as adding and subtracting, but as my wife likes to point out at times, I can be wrong even when I think I'm right! I'll do as you suggested over the next couple days and get back to you.

It only takes about 5 minutes to do the realclearpolitics model.  It adds/subtracts as you go.  It's easy...and you will find indeed find out that your wife was right ;)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 07, 2016, 04:56:16 PM
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I'll have to reconsider what you said Buddy. For the moment, I still think it is as simple as adding and subtracting, but as my wife likes to point out at times, I can be wrong even when I think I'm right! I'll do as you suggested over the next couple days and get back to you.

It only takes about 5 minutes to do the realclearpolitics model.  It adds/subtracts as you go.  It's easy...and you will find indeed find out that your wife was right ;)

My wife is right more often than I am! Too bad.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 08, 2016, 01:06:01 AM
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I think you are "reading" the fivethirtyeight.com INCORRECTLY.

Looks like you're right Buddy! I was reading it incorrectly. Real Clear Politics is a great web site by the way.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 08, 2016, 01:10:58 AM
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I'll have to reconsider what you said Buddy. For the moment, I still think it is as simple as adding and subtracting, but as my wife likes to point out at times, I can be wrong even when I think I'm right! I'll do as you suggested over the next couple days and get back to you.

It only takes about 5 minutes to do the realclearpolitics model.  It adds/subtracts as you go.  It's easy...and you will find indeed find out that your wife was right ;)

At my speed, you can add at least another five minutes!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 08, 2016, 01:36:51 AM
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Looks like you're right Buddy! I was reading it incorrectly. Real Clear Politics is a great web site by the way.

Even a blind squirrel (me) gets an acorn once in a while.

Both websites are really good.  If I want to know who is LIKELY to win the election.....I will look at fivethirtyeight.com during the last week of the election process.

Realclearpolitics is a much different site.  Good articles on BOTH sides of the aisle.  And with that little model I showed you.....you can plug in whatever scenarios you want to see what MIGHT happen.

As I stated a couple other times....this election could come down to Pennsylvania.....

Although I still can't get over the Dallas Morning News endorsing a democrat for the first time in 75 YEARS.  wow...

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 08, 2016, 06:17:12 AM
 Buddy
Even a blind squirrel (me) gets an acorn once in a while.
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You've got to watch out for those squirrels, they're a tenacious bunch! I live in Florida now but when I lived in New Hampshire, I used to feed the birds. Giving them their due was less work than trying to stop them from taking seed from the feeders.

This article is part of an interview Trump had with Matt Lauer last night. Trump thinks Putin is a better leader than Obama.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 08, 2016, 06:20:20 PM
More bad news for Trump.  The "weekly jobless claims" came out today....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-08/jobless-claims-in-u-s-decline-to-lowest-level-in-seven-weeks (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-08/jobless-claims-in-u-s-decline-to-lowest-level-in-seven-weeks)

Bad news for Trump...means good news for the economy.  This was the 79th STRAIGHT WEEK that jobless claims have been UNDER 300,00.  That is the longest streak since 1970.

And keep in mind....that the LABOR FORCE has grown in number by about 160% since 1970.  There were about 52 million jobs in 1970.....and there are now 137 million jobs. 

And even better for the economy.....is that job openings in manufacturing CONTINUE TO RISE much faster than they are being filled.  That bodes well for "average hourly earnings" going forward.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 09, 2016, 06:53:56 PM
Let's see if it is Clinton's turn for a little bounce for a couple weeks:

1)  Gary Johnson.....Libertarian candidate.....may have done himself in.  Didn't know what "Allepo, Syria" was (he thought it was an acronym....but it is a significant city in the Syrian conflict).  Remember.....he is taking more votes away from Clinton than from Trump.  This will help Hillary.

2)  Trump is kind of in a "funk."  He has now admitted....though Rudy Gulianni....that Trump finally thinks that Obama was born in the US.  It only took him 6 years to get to that conclusion...

3)  Trump is looking like a loose cannon with regards to "firing generals"....."spilling the beans on some of his intelligence briefing".....and CONTINUING to lie about him being against the war in Iraq when there are (a) audio tapes of him supporting it, and (b) articles of him supporting it.  He is looking more and more like the liar he is.

We'll see if this gives Clinton a little bump in the next couple of weeks...
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 12, 2016, 04:23:12 PM
CIA director shuts down Trump's assertion that "body language" of his agents told Trump that they did not agree with his policy:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-brennan-donald-trump_us_57d6a4f2e4b06a74c9f56a81 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-brennan-donald-trump_us_57d6a4f2e4b06a74c9f56a81)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 13, 2016, 07:50:16 PM
Trump will never....EVER....show his tax returns:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/kellyanne-conway-liar-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_allpolitics+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Politics%29 (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/kellyanne-conway-liar-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_allpolitics+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Politics%29)

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 13, 2016, 09:16:21 PM
I find it hard to believe that he's getting away with it, but it sure looks like he is. Pence released his tax returns, why is Trump getting a pass at least to this point?
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 13, 2016, 11:38:16 PM
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I find it hard to believe that he's getting away with it, but it sure looks like he is.

The press is starting to harp on it....as they should....and I expect them to continue.

Obama was in Philly today campaigning....hammered Trump on his tax returns as well.

When your whole campaign is built on "smoke and mirrors" like Trump....you can't afford for those mirrors to be exposed.  He isn't worth $10 billion....he doesn't give millions to charity....and he might have exposure to foreign loans.

As Barbara Cochran of "Shark Tank" fame said....he is a con man.  And he is trying to pull the biggest con of all on the US voters.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 14, 2016, 08:28:23 AM
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I find it hard to believe that he's getting away with it, but it sure looks like he is.


As Barbara Cochran of "Shark Tank" fame said....he is a con man.  And he is trying to pull the biggest con of all on the US voters.

Speaking of "con", here are two articles. One about the bankruptcy of his Taj Mahal casino, the other about his proposal for government paid leaves for pregnancy. Seems hard to believe these are coming from the same person!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 14, 2016, 08:58:56 AM
Another article regarding Pence trying to get some solidarity with Republican senators and congressmen and having some difficulty. Although he is far too conservative for me, I find him to be a decent guy. His job seems to be making Trump palatable to Republicans, which requires him to twist and contort the facts. It must be very uncomfortable for him and I sort of feel bad for the guy. Why he agreed to be Trump's running mate is beyond my comprehension.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mike-pence-is-rebuffed-as-he-tries-to-rally-gop-leaders-over-%E2%80%98deplorables%E2%80%99/ar-BBw7Vq2?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mike-pence-is-rebuffed-as-he-tries-to-rally-gop-leaders-over-%E2%80%98deplorables%E2%80%99/ar-BBw7Vq2?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 14, 2016, 10:34:45 AM
Pence along with Gingrich and Jeff Sessions were the bottom of the barell.  Pence has one of the worst favoribility ratings of any governor in the country......if he ran for re-election for governor he was going to lose badly in Indiana.

All of the good candidates had already said thanks.....but no thanks. 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 14, 2016, 01:47:51 PM
If you wondered WHY Trump would be so flattering in his praise of Vladimir Putin.....read the following article and you will understand why.  Great article....just out this morning.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-national-security-498081.html (http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-national-security-498081.html)

Most of Trump's revenue over the past 10 years.....has been from the licensing of his name to developers.  In that way....Trump doesn't put up any money himself....and he generally receives an annual "licensing fee" for the use of his name.  There are very few costs to the Trump organization.....and an annual fee as long as BOTH parties live up to the agreement.  Not noted in this article....are the licensing agreements that have "blown up", with the developer suing Trump.  But that isn't important here.

The important thing with the above article....is the tremendous amount of BIAS and CONFLICT OF INTEREST that Trump would have in dealings with other countries.  So....if Trump want's to develop licensing agreements in Russia.....what better way than to curry favor with Putin.  Putin is the wealthiest person in Russia.....because he controls all the purse strings.....and has the developers at his finger tips (and also has them by their "balls").  Putin calls the shots in Russia.

Great article...and this will certainly clog the airways over the next week or so....
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 14, 2016, 02:27:09 PM
Pence along with Gingrich and Jeff Sessions were the bottom of the barell.  Pence has one of the worst favoribility ratings of any governor in the country......if he ran for re-election for governor he was going to lose badly in Indiana.

All of the good candidates had already said thanks.....but no thanks.

Indeed, but hitching his wagon with Trump makes no sense at all, at least to me. By the way, that Newsweek article was very good. Here's one from the BBC about the New York state Attorney Gen'l investigating Trump's foundation.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 14, 2016, 02:32:01 PM
Sorry to be a "string/topic hog"....hopefully someone else is listening other than ME.  The election in the US is EXTREMELY important to issues of climate change/global warming.  And Trump would be HORRIBLE.  So I apologize if I get "carried away"....

BUT ;)....here is another good short article regarding information just released yesterday on the US economy for the year 2015 by the US census bureau:

1)  Growth in middle class incomes had their fastest growth on record...a 5.2% increase from 2014 (and growth happened in ALL ethnic groups)

2)  The poverty rate dropped by 1.2%....The decrease in the poverty rate from 2014 to 2015 represents the largest annual percentage point drop in poverty since 1999 (when Bill Clinton was president).

3)  The percentage of people without health insurance coverage for the entire 2015 calendar year was 9.1 percent, down from 10.4 percent in 2014. The number of people without health insurance declined to 29.0 million from 33.0 million over the period.

Merry Christmas Donald.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/09/13/a-new-report-brings-very-good-news-about-the-economy-what-will-trump-say-about-it/?utm_term=.59d573e575b2 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/09/13/a-new-report-brings-very-good-news-about-the-economy-what-will-trump-say-about-it/?utm_term=.59d573e575b2)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 14, 2016, 02:42:40 PM
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Indeed, but hitching his wagon with Trump makes no sense at all

Pence was a VERY CONSERVATIVE radio host BEFORE he finally got elected to office in Indiana.  Running with Trump gives him a "nice income/support" while he runs.....AND....sets him up for a nice "radio/tv gig" if Trump loses.  FOX News would likely pick him up.....just like they did with Newt Gingrich....Scott Brown.....Mike Huckabee.....Sarah Palin (etc...etc...).

Running for president/vice president seems to be a pre-requisite to landing a gig on FOX :o
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 14, 2016, 04:51:28 PM
Here is a "take down" of Trump by Keith Olbermann......and lists Trump's many lies. It is probably the most effective take down I have seen yet.  The video is 17 minutes...but well worth it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/keith-olbermann-donald-trump_us_57d930fee4b0aa4b722d6e90?section=& (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/keith-olbermann-donald-trump_us_57d930fee4b0aa4b722d6e90?section=&)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 14, 2016, 11:52:47 PM
Take down indeed! Here are a couple articles about Colin Powell's e-mails. One about Benghazi, the other about Powell's opinion of Trump.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: sidd on September 16, 2016, 08:11:11 AM
I read Christian Science Monitor, usually for non USA reporting, but here is something from Ohio.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/0914/What-an-Ohio-town-reveals-about-the-decline-of-hope-in-US-politics (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/0914/What-an-Ohio-town-reveals-about-the-decline-of-hope-in-US-politics)

First, some context. SW Ohio, Cinci, Dayton and the little town of Springfield mentioned in the article, are right wing, segregated, got a police corruption/violence problem, predominantly against people of color. Springfield and Dayton and many others were some of the "sundown towns," they had signs saying "Niggers out of town by sundown" as late as the 50's.

Which is why this quote from the article, especially considering the source, is very disquieting:

--begin included text

"Take Raymond Upshaw, a Springfield resident in his late 60s and an African-American who voted for President Obama in 2008. He now supports Mr. Trump.

“They may have elected a black man to the White House, but they didn’t follow him,” says Mr. Upshaw, whose construction business has not done well for years. He plans to vote for Trump because he believes the US can’t rebuild until after it hits rock bottom. “I don’t expect Trump to do a good job. I’m putting him in there so he can continue to destroy this country.” "

--end included text

Drivers are telling me this is the sentiment they hear from whites in SW PA. To win, Clinton must carry both the SW and the SE in PA. Right now, both SW PA and SW OH look weak for her.

Wild ride shaping up.

sidd
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 16, 2016, 01:32:35 PM
This is something I also posted on my facebook timeline:
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So....would YOU want a person for President, that has pushed the "birther movement" over the past several years....even though there has ALWAYS been OVERWHELMING PROOF that Obama was born in Hawaii? Even BEFORE Obama posted his birth certificate....there was STILL overwhelming proof. But instead.....Trump continued to trumpet the thought that somehow Obama wasn't born in the US. Even AFTER Obama had posted his birth certificate....Trump didn't believe it was valid and continued to cast doubt on its authenticity. It has taken Donald Trump 5 years to admit he was wrong...... FIVE YEARS.

We can't have someone as president....who can't make reasoned.....thought out choices when decisions have to be made. The issue of where Obama was born was an EASY ONE five years ago. If Trump can't get the easy ones right....how in the world is he going to get the tough ones right? We don't have the luxury of 5 years to get the easy ones right!

Global warming is just one more EASY choice for anyone to make. The proof is in plain sight for ANYONE to see. There are MOUNTAINS of it by the overwhelming majority of climate scientists throughout the world. And not only are there mountains of data....ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS OPEN YOUR EYES.

The ice sheets are melting.....the temperatures are rising....the oceans are rising......spring is starting earlier and earlier....fall is lasting later and later.....as we continue to push CO2 into the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels.

We can't afford to have a president who doesn't KNOW THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS HAPPENING NOW....and willing to push us out of the fossil fuel age....and into a much better, AND LESS EXPENSIVE AGE of renewable energy. YES....it will be LESS EXPENSIVE...and the sooner we move, the LESS expensive it will be.

We can't afford to elect a president who has nothing but oil and gas people shoving money to his campaign....and nothing but oil and gas people heading his advisory group on energy. THAT...we can not afford. And we don't have 5 years to wait. The rest of the world is already moving QUICLY to renewable energy. We can't afford to be left behind on this critical issue.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 16, 2016, 01:49:30 PM
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To win, Clinton must carry both the SW and the SE in PA. Right now, both SW PA and SW OH look weak for her.

Wild ride shaping up.

Yes....a wild ride indeed.  As I have stated before...Pennsylvania IS the "keystone state".  Not only is that their state motto.....but it is true in this election.  Whoever wins Pennsylvania...is likely to win the election.

Clinton will NOT do well in rural Pennsylvania.  Obama didn't do well either.  She has to OVERWHELM HIM IN THE PHILADELPHIA METRO area (as Obama did).  Obama just made his first trip to Philly...and there will be more.  I expect Obama to help in Philly, North Carolina, Michigan, and anywhere else the Clinton campaign requests.

Debates will be interesting and important.  No teleprompters.....and most of the press, after giving Trump a PASS for the last 16 months....may be more attuned to looking for obvious lies.

The other thing working against Clinton.....just as it worked against Gore in 2000....is the third (and fourth) parties.  Those are taking more votes away from Clinton than Trump (you see that in the 4 way polls....vs the 2 way polls).

Remember....the reason Gore lost....was the 90,000 votes cast for the third party candidate in Florida.  Bush won Florida by about 500 votes.

As a side note.....Obama is meeting with the Governor of Ohio (Kasich) today I believe, to discuss trade policy and the TPP.  Kasich....in an interview yesterday....made it clear he was NOT endorsing Trump...and won't be voting for him.  "Too much water under the bridge" to quote Kasich.  Kasich is a GOOD MAN....I like him a lot....although he still needs to move FURTHER on climate change (he admits its happening...but doesn't want to move to mitigate its effects).



 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: TerryM on September 16, 2016, 03:45:29 PM
Quick question from outside the country.


Will bringing up TPP win any vote for the Democratic side?


Terry
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 16, 2016, 04:04:39 PM
So far....this campaign has been NOTHING ABOUT THE SUBSTATIVE ISSUES.  It has been a campaign on the character of the two participants (or lack thereof).

The one interesting thing about the meeting today however......is that it is between the Governor of an extremely important state in the election (John Kasich, Republican of Ohio)....and Barack Obama.

So it isn't so much the SUBSTANCE of the meeting...as the "visual" of the meeting.  THIS...is how a president (Obama) is SUPPOSED to act.  And THIS...is how someone on the other side of the isle (Republican Kasich) is SUPPOSED to act.  They are meeting to discuss an important issue that BOTH SIDES think is important.  And regardless of their party affiliation....getting things done for their state and the country is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT.

Kasich is a well liked Governor (as opposed to Pence)....and Kasich has really turned Ohio around over the last 4 years.

And Kasich....I would say....DESPISES TRUMP (it's much more than dislike).  I think BOTH Obama AND Kasich are doing "the right thing."  In the US.....the two party system is REALLY DISFUNCTIONAL....because it is "party above country". And it should be the other way around...

Remember....it has only been about 70 years since the "television age" started.  And now we have the "internet age."  Here in the US our journalists do a HORRIBLE JOB of holding people accountable.  HORRIBLE.  So we're just now getting started with what I call "the age of accountability."  I think it will happen....but it will be a slow and painful process.

Look how long we allowed tobacco companies to lie to us.  And look how long we are allowing fossil fuel companies to lie to us.  And look at how Donald Trump lies on a DAILY...if not HOURLY basis with accountability.  If find it SHOCKING that in any "advanced" country....that someone who runs for Congress/Senate/President......doesn't HAVE to show their last 10 years of federal tax returns BEFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO RUN FOR OFFICE.  It amazes me.

OK....sorry for jumping on the soapbox.  Bottom line....it likely will NOT make a huge difference in the race....but this race may come down to VERY SMALL DIFFRENCES.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 16, 2016, 07:52:51 PM
Well.....if Trump thought he was going to sweep a 5 year old campaign of calling President Obama a Kenyan by birth.....under the rug by giving a 30 second statement that contained two more lies....I think he is delusional.

Right now....the Congressional Black Caucus (from the US Congress) is making Keith Olberman's take down of Trump the other day.....look like a girl scout meeting.

I'll post it later after it is up on youtube.....but the Congressional Black Caucus is NOT HAPPY with "the Donald".

I think you are beginning to see the undressing of Donald Trump.  "The emperor wears no clothes" is a saying in the US.  We'll see what happens over the coming days and next few weeks......it looks like the press is now looking to be much more confrontational after they have been lied and misled.....we'll see.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 16, 2016, 08:08:09 PM
Here's a link to the article where Trump admits that Obama was born in the U.S.  Of course he blames Hillary for starting it all. The man is living in an alternate universe.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37381452 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37381452)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 16, 2016, 08:08:41 PM
It's been 15 minutes since I sent my last post....and the Congressional Black Caucus is STILL CHEWING ON DONALD'S ASS.   This is on CNN and CNBC....and has been for the whole "chewing episode."  Apparently they have not made it to his bones and carcass yet... ;)

You folks in Europe, Canada, or elsewhere....consider yourself lucky....
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: sidd on September 16, 2016, 08:12:15 PM
I would not say that Kasich is well liked in ohio. As for him being a "GOOD" man, well, even the Republicans I know would not say that either.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 16, 2016, 08:15:27 PM
Quick question from outside the country.


Will bringing up TPP win any vote for the Democratic side?


Terry

Great question Terry. IMHO with the current political environment, bringing up TPP will be a net minus for the democrats. 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 16, 2016, 08:20:10 PM
It's been 15 minutes since I sent my last post....and the Congressional Black Caucus is STILL CHEWING ON DONALD'S ASS.   This is on CNN and CNBC....and has been for the whole "chewing episode."  Apparently they have not made it to his bones and carcass yet... ;)

You folks in Europe, Canada, or elsewhere....consider yourself lucky....

Buddy, I think you're enjoying this way too much! :)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 16, 2016, 08:22:39 PM
I would not say that Kasich is well liked in ohio. As for him being a "GOOD" man, well, even the Republicans I know would not say that either.

To most Republicans, Kasich isnt conservative enough. To them, he's a R.I.N.O.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 16, 2016, 08:25:53 PM
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I would not say that Kasich is well liked in ohio. As for him being a "GOOD" man, well, even the Republicans I know would not say that either.

Here's an article back in late June about his approval rating which was 58 (it could be lower now...I have not looked).

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/why_gop_gov_john_kasich_remain.html (http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/why_gop_gov_john_kasich_remain.html)

As the article points out....he's not afraid to go "against party lines".....so I'm sure some of the die hard Republicans don't like that.

BTW....a 58 approval rating is pretty good (not great......but pretty good).  I think that Mike Pence has a 38 approval rating in Indiana (and why he would have lost had he run for re-election).

As for "good guy"....just my opinion on what I have observed....I'm an Independent and fiscal conservative.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 16, 2016, 09:29:26 PM
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To most Republicans, Kasich isnt conservative enough. To them, he's a R.I.N.O.

Again...I'm a fiscal conservative and a social moderate (Independent)

When I lived in Denver, Colorado.....all my friends and acquaintances thought I was a closet Republican (Denver is a Democratic stronghold).  Now that I live in Georgia .....my friends and neighbors out here think I am a closet Democrat.

Imagine a two lane street with a line down the middle.  To people on the far right....EVERYTHING IS LEFT.  To people on the far left....EVERTYHING IS TO THE RIGHT.

It's funny how that works......and why, come election time....whoever wins HAS to move towards the middle.

 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 17, 2016, 06:58:44 AM
Trump suggests that Clinton's security detail should disarm and see what happens.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37394883 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37394883)

You just cant make this stuff up!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: TerryM on September 17, 2016, 04:52:31 PM
Thanks Budm


I don't think the trade pact is at all popular here in Canada either. Our prior government signed up just before they were kicked out, but,  it still needs to be ratified.  :D
My understanding is that the US is putting a lot of pressure on but hopefully the wants of Canadians will win out.
Things are bad enough under NAFTA.  Maybe Trudeau can take a page from "W's" playbook and "unsign" that one.


Terry
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 17, 2016, 05:46:42 PM
Terry: It must be interesting (and a bit disconcerting) to watch this election spectacle unfold from a neighboring country. The level of political dysfunction in the U.S. is alarming, which brings the question to mind: Can the center hold? Here's an op-ed from the Brookings Institution from April 2016 dealing with this question.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/can-the-center-hold/ (https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/can-the-center-hold/)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 18, 2016, 10:24:33 AM
The linked Salon article is entitled: "Rise of the right and climate catastrophe: Will Trumpism, Brexit and geopolitical exceptionalism sink the planet?"

http://www.salon.com/2016/09/17/rise-of-the-right-and-climate-catastrophe-will-trumpism-brexit-and-geopolitical-exceptionalism-sink-the-planet_partner/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/09/17/rise-of-the-right-and-climate-catastrophe-will-trumpism-brexit-and-geopolitical-exceptionalism-sink-the-planet_partner/)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 19, 2016, 01:29:43 AM
Attached are two CNN articles about Trump; 1. Why Trump doesn't want you to see his tax returns. 2. The mindset of the Trump children.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 20, 2016, 04:00:19 PM
Some Donald Trump humor. Seems like this cat doesn't like the Donald.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/viral/this-cat-hates-donald-trump/vi-AAipTLP (http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/viral/this-cat-hates-donald-trump/vi-AAipTLP)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 20, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Donald Trump Jr. using "skittle" logic with the Syrian refugee problem.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/skittles-issues-terse-response-to-trump-jr-refugee-tweet/ar-BBwntrV?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/skittles-issues-terse-response-to-trump-jr-refugee-tweet/ar-BBwntrV?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 21, 2016, 12:09:47 AM
Bush #41 plans on voting for Hillary.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/20/politics/george-hw-bush-hillary-clinton/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/20/politics/george-hw-bush-hillary-clinton/index.html)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 21, 2016, 02:05:31 PM
The linked article discusses findings that Trump has used his family charity to settle legal problems:

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-foundation-2016-9 (http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-foundation-2016-9)

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 21, 2016, 02:25:28 PM
In an open letter, 375 top US scientists criticize Donald Trump by name, and cite that if elected president, his policies would, at a minimum, result in higher economic & social costs for all of society:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/sep/21/375-top-scientists-warn-of-real-serious-immediate-climate-threat (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/sep/21/375-top-scientists-warn-of-real-serious-immediate-climate-threat)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 22, 2016, 07:29:00 AM
Interesting article from the BBC comparing Clinton and Trump to other world leaders.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37423550 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37423550)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 23, 2016, 01:28:41 AM
My wife and I stopped at the "Red Top Pit Stop" restaurant on route 98, just north of Lakeland, FL today for some bbq. We obtained a copy of the "Orange Peel Gazette" and found we were definitely not in Clinton country! See the attached pictures.

This has me greatly concerned. If I vote for Hillary, I'll have to wear a pant suit for the rest of my life! ;D

P.S. The food was great!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 23, 2016, 04:57:32 PM
The linked article from CNN has given me a bit more of an understanding of why Donald Trump is doing so well with working class whites in particular.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/23/news/economy/white-working-class-economy/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/23/news/economy/white-working-class-economy/index.html)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 23, 2016, 05:26:13 PM
This article from fivethirtyeight.com gives further insight into the mind of the American electorate.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/religion-and-education-explain-the-white-vote/?ex_cid=2016-forecast
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 23, 2016, 07:43:53 PM
Just a reminder.....the coming 3 PRESIDENTIAL debates are Sept 26th, Oct 9th, and October 19th.

It looks like Trump has already set up a "plan B" depending on how the first debate goes.  He has recently said that Anderson Cooper shouldn't be a debate monitor.  So I give Trump about a 66% chance of skipping the second debate (where Anderson Cooper is one of the two moderators).

Remember....Trump DOESN'T want any fact checking......and if I lied as much as he does, I wouldn't either :o

It sets up three different scenarios for me.....and two of those scenarios have him skipping the second debate:

1)  Scenario 1:  The first debate is relatively close.....with no consensus winner.  In this case.....I think Trump WILL DO THE SECOND DEBATE and 3rd debate (with Chris Wallace from FOX....The Trump Channel).

2)  Scenario 2:  Trumps gets soundly beaten by Clinton in debate 1.  In that case......he won't go through with debate 2.....using Anderson Cooper as his "excuse".  Trump hates looking like a bafoon.  But he WILL likely HAVE to do the 3rd debate with the "friendly fire" of Chris Wallace.

3)  Scenario 3:  Trump soundly beats Clinton, and Trump easily wins debate 1.  Now....Trump sees himself "in the lead".....and with no reason to debate in the second debate.  Why risk it?  He will choose to skip it.....and he "may" skip #3 as well.


The other "possibility".....is that Trump will do all 3 debates no matter what.....and he is just trying to "soften up" the moderators BEFORE HAND.

Time will tell.....  Remember....when you're a pathological liar like Trump.....you make your own rules:  Be sure and read the article below......AMAZING.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/9/21/1572595/-Donald-Trump-even-cheats-at-golf-for-1-million (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/9/21/1572595/-Donald-Trump-even-cheats-at-golf-for-1-million)



Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 23, 2016, 11:15:54 PM
Buddy:

The only way Trump can win this election is by debating Hillary Clinton and at least debating her to a draw. He has to win over people that plan on voting for Hillary. If he skips debates, no matter the reason, he will lose this election. The only other thing that could turn the election his way would be a late October surprise from WikiLeaks.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 24, 2016, 02:36:44 PM
One of the largest newspapers in Ohio, the Cincinnati Enquirer has endorsed Hillary Clinton. This is the first time in nearly a century that this paper has endorsed a Democratic candidate for president.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/23/politics/cincinnati-enquirer-hillary-clinton-endorsement/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/23/politics/cincinnati-enquirer-hillary-clinton-endorsement/index.html)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 24, 2016, 02:59:48 PM
Bill Kristol, editor of the conservative "Weekly Standard" had some pretty insightful things to say about Donald Trump in an interview yesterday on MSNBC.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/23/bill_kristol_donald_trump_knows_deep_in_his_heart_that_he_should_never_be_president.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/23/bill_kristol_donald_trump_knows_deep_in_his_heart_that_he_should_never_be_president.html)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 24, 2016, 05:30:59 PM
Young conservatives are increasingly looking to alternative energy vs fossil fuels.  In a state like Florida....that could make a big difference.  Florida will be CLOSE no matter who wins the state...

https://climatecrocks.com/2016/09/24/could-trump-tip-cons-to-clean-energy/

It is obvious to the younger conservatives.....that dealing with global warming EARLIER is BETTER and less expensive than continuing to put it off.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 24, 2016, 06:06:49 PM
Ties between Trump campaign members and Russia persist....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 25, 2016, 01:39:14 PM
This ad by Tom Steyer.....a wealthy Hillary supporter......goes directly at Gary Johnson.  Johnson is pulling more votes away from Clinton than from Trump.  In an election as close as this looks to be....every vote counts:

https://climatecrocks.com/2016/09/24/tom-steyer-runs-with-gary-johnsons-sun-will-swallow-us-climate-gaffe/
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 25, 2016, 08:08:32 PM
While Hillary is not perfect, if you care about the impacts of climate change, it is vital that she be elected POTUS (see the linked article comparing her climate positions to the Donald's):

http://www.businessinsider.com/clinton-trump-environment-policies-plans-climate-change-platforms-2016-9?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider%2Fpolitics+%28Business+Insider+-+Politix%29 (http://www.businessinsider.com/clinton-trump-environment-policies-plans-climate-change-platforms-2016-9?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider%2Fpolitics+%28Business+Insider+-+Politix%29)

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 26, 2016, 12:32:12 AM
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While Hillary is not perfect, if you care about the impacts of climate change, it is vital that she be elected POTUS (see the linked article comparing her climate positions to the Donald's):

And climate change effects (1) national security (2) agriculture (3) international defense (4) and the worlds economies.   Other than that....it's not a big deal ;)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 26, 2016, 12:23:18 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/first-presidential-debate-trump-clinton_us_57e53a55e4b0e28b2b536a08?dwnk0v9v01wyst6gvi (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/first-presidential-debate-trump-clinton_us_57e53a55e4b0e28b2b536a08?dwnk0v9v01wyst6gvi)

And for those of you who CONTINUE to underestimate the possibility of a Trump presidency...I'm afraid reality may really bite.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: oren on September 26, 2016, 12:51:14 PM
And for those of you who CONTINUE to underestimate the possibility of a Trump presidency...I'm afraid reality may really bite.
I totally agree. Hid odds are >50% IMHO, and Brexit showed us the ugly social currents bubbling under the surface.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 26, 2016, 01:27:38 PM
And for those of you who CONTINUE to underestimate the possibility of a Trump presidency...I'm afraid reality may really bite.
I totally agree. Hid odds are >50% IMHO, and Brexit showed us the ugly social currents bubbling under the surface.

I agree as well, and on that note here's more insight into why Clinton isn't running away with this election. She clearly has the experience for the job and she's a far better choice than Trump, but the trust issue is keeping this race close.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/young-voters-to-clinton-we-can%E2%80%99t-stand-you/ar-BBwCLvG?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/young-voters-to-clinton-we-can%E2%80%99t-stand-you/ar-BBwCLvG?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 26, 2016, 01:37:22 PM
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I totally agree. Hid odds are >50% IMHO, and Brexit showed us the ugly social currents bubbling under the surface.

It is really a "black mark" on the US electorate.....as well as a black mark on US politicians of BOTH SIDES.  How someone SOOOOOO unprepared......so egotistical....so dishonest....and so incapable....could have even the CHANCE of getting elected.

It goes to a much bigger broader issue....at least here in the US.....regarding advertising/promotion/selling.  No matter if you are promoting/advertising a PRODUCT or a CANDIDATE.....or POLICY.....if you say it enough times, a lot of people will believe it.

Humanity is really in a "bad spot" when it doesn't LOOK FOR THE TRUTH.  It seems so basic to me.  I have witnessed businessmen in high positions within companies that continue to make "mistakes" (bad business decisions) because they continue to look for what THEY WANT THE TRUTH TO BE......rather than looking for THEE TRUTH (facts).  Even when placing facts in front of their faces (LITERALLY)....they refuse to believe them.  In my "observations" over the years......I have learned that it is their EGO that lets them down (such as an inability to admit when they are wrong....and think that they are always right).

And most humans seem to be SOOOO BIASSED.  The idea of making GOOD DECISIONS means you should try to REMOVE BIAS when you make a decision (which is why I have ALWAYS been an Independent voter).

If Trump wins....there will be two groups rejoicing in the US:  (1) comedians....can you imagine the material they will get..., and (2) movie makers......as I type, I'm sure someone is already writing a script for "The Big Con".....how a pathological liar duped the American people.

The group that will NOT be happy at all.....are scientists.  And I expect they will be in a VERY UNUSUAL position.  They are not used to "championing" their positions....and they admittedly have done a poor job in communicating with people (at least here in the US).  But now....they may be put in the unenviable position that they will LITERALLY have to take their message TO THE STREETS.  Dr. Hansen has already done so.....but others will follow if Trump is elected...and he makes the large mistakes that I expect him to make (with his oil friends stuffing money in his pockets).

Let's HOPE.....that the US voters don't make the YUUUGGGGGEEEEE mistake of voting in a pathological liar like Trump.  And those of you in the US.....best be talking to your friends/co-workers/etc to try and prevent that from happening.

Debate number one is tonight.....and remember that the person most likely to beat Donald Trump, is Donald Trump...





 



 


Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 26, 2016, 04:06:00 PM
And for those of you thinking about voting for a third party candidate......think again:

https://climatecrocks.com/2016/09/26/uber-climate-denier-to-head-trump-transition-for-epa/
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: wili on September 26, 2016, 04:10:58 PM
Buddy, the way that the US electoral system works means that the election is generally determined by just a few states, even just a few counties. If you are in a state that is safely going for Clinton, you can vote Green knowing pretty safely that it will not have the effect of electing Trump. Meanwhile, such a vote will send a message that a lot of people are dissatisfied with the Dems, and in some state, enough of such votes can give Greens official status.

I think we have to be able to think both long term and strategically, imho. There is not a one-size-fits-all necessary approach to this train wreck of an election.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 26, 2016, 04:36:39 PM
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Buddy, the way that the US electoral system works means that the election is generally determined by just a few states, even just a few counties. If you are in a state that is safely going for Clinton, you can vote Green knowing pretty safely that it will not have the effect of electing Trump. Meanwhile, such a vote will send a message that a lot of people are dissatisfied with the Dems, and in some state, enough of such votes can give Greens official status.

I will remind you of 2000......when Bush won the electoral vote by winning Florida.  Florida was decided by a few HUNDRED VOTES.

There are SEVERAL battleground states that are important for Clinton to win that are now CLOSE IN THE POLLS:

Virginia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Colorado, Nevada, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, New Hampshire, Maine, Arizona, Georgia, Iowa....

And a reminder....that those in 2000 that voted for Ralph Nader....the third party candidate.....gave the election to George Bush.  Without those votes.....Bush would have lost.  NOBODY knew the day of the election....that it would come down to Florida.  Just like today....NOBODY KNOWS which state (or states) it will come down to.

Sorry to "rain on your parade"......the stakes are HUGE.  So if anyone is in one of the above listed states.........and wants BETTER POLICY......then you better think twice about voting for a third party candidate.  Your "message" may be a ticket to the white house for the most unprepared and dangerous candidates in HISTORY....one Donald Trump.

 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 26, 2016, 04:53:25 PM
Think about this:

Without the 97,421 votes for Ralph Nader in Florida during the 2000 presidential race between Bush and Gore......Gore would have won.  Instead....Gore lost by 537 votes.

Now....fast forward to this year.  Will it be Florida.....Ohio....Wisconsin....New Hampshire...Georgia....Arizona.....Colorado....Iowa....etc.

NOBODY KNOWS.....and we won't know, until AFTER the election.

Without those third party votes in Florida for Ralph Nader.....we likely would NOT be embroiled in the LONGEST WAR IN HISTORY.  Those 3rd party votes in 2000 for Nader.....who may have wanted to "send a message".....instead were the likely keystone to invading Iraq.  You think that those folks would like to change their votes NOW?

Think twice......before you jump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader_presidential_campaign,_2000
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: solartim27 on September 26, 2016, 05:31:37 PM
I will remind you of 2000......when Bush won the electoral vote by winning Florida.  Florida was decided by a few HUNDRED VOTES.
Except that Gore actually won Florida. 
If he had managed to win his home state of Tennessee, than it would be quite a different story.  You can't pin it on Nader.

http://andrys.com/flballot.html (http://andrys.com/flballot.html)  Butterfly ballot
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/19/george_w_bush_vs_al_gore_15_years_later_we_really_did_inaugurate_the_wrong_guy/ (http://www.salon.com/2015/12/19/george_w_bush_vs_al_gore_15_years_later_we_really_did_inaugurate_the_wrong_guy/)
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As already indicated, Palm Beach County’s infamous “butterfly ballot” alone sufficed to frustrate the aggregate preference of the participating and eligible electorate. Bush’s certified margin of victory ended up only 537 votes. But in Palm Beach County, Pat Buchanan received some 3,400 votes, over two thousand more than anywhere else in the state.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 26, 2016, 05:44:29 PM
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Except that Gore actually won Florida.

I guess you will have to go back and change the history books.....and also tell President Gore that he won Florida as well.  He is not aware of that.... ;)
 
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If he had managed to win his home state of Tennessee, than it would be quite a different story.  You can't pin it on Nader.

Just like a football game.....there is NEVER any ONE play that you can "blame it on".  Usually there are a few miscues you can blame it on.  Losing his home state of Tennessee is certainly another.

I'm NOT blaming Ralph Nader.....I'm blaming THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR RALPH NADER THINKING THEY WERE SENDING A MESSAGE.

If you think that sending a message is more important than having someone in the White House who thinks that climate change is a hoax.......and someone who has appointed someone from a lobbying group to head his "EPA Transition Team".......then you should certainly go ahead and vote for your third party candidate.  You have to live with that vote.....not me.  My conscience is clear.  And I DON'T like Clinton.  But she is MILES AND MILES ahead of Trump.  NOT EVEN CLOSE.

It was NOT Ralph Nader that sent thousands of our soldiers to fight a filthy war.  It was George Bush.  And the BIGGEST reason it was George Bush......was because some people (more than 97,000 of them in Florida) thought that "sending a message" was the most important thing to them.  I would bet that many of those 97,000 would like to take back that vote.

I think the phrase in woodworking is appropriate here:  "Measure twice.....cut once."


Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 26, 2016, 06:11:04 PM
One step further:  Let's go back to the scenario that played out in the year 2000.  In that year....we didn't KNOW that we would later attack Iraq.  We really had NO IDEA.  It just "turned out that way."

Now....fast forward to today.  WE KNOW WHAT TRUMP'S POLICY ON GLOBAL WARMING ARE.  In 2000.....if Bush would have said...."we are going to invade Iraq and thousands of American troops are going to die".....would the people who voted for Ralph Nader, STILL vote for Nader KNOWING that it would DEFINITELY mean the death of those soldiers?  I think NOT.

Today....we KNOW that a Trump presidency will try to GUT the EPA.  They will push oil and gas as far as they can.....and burn as much of it as they can.  WE KNOW THAT NOW.  We KNOW that he thinks climate change is a hoax....a Chinese conspiracy....and that almost every climate scientist on earth is lying.  WE KNOW THAT.

The case for "sending a message" is indeed a weak one....in fact a MUCH WEAKER ONE NOW THAN IN 2000.  You KNOW that the consequences of your vote....if Trump wins....could be AWFUL.

"Measure twice......cut once."



Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: solartim27 on September 26, 2016, 06:30:07 PM
I'm NOT blaming Ralph Nader.....I'm blaming THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR RALPH NADER THINKING THEY WERE SENDING A MESSAGE.
Florida was stolen, plain and simple.  I blame the people that voted for Gore, but selected Buchanan.  I will not be surprised if the election comes down to recounts again, and have adjusted our retirement accounts to prepare for the outfall.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 26, 2016, 08:24:14 PM

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I will not be surprised if the election comes down to recounts again, and have adjusted our retirement accounts to prepare for the outfall.

Interesting thing about oil and gas stocks.....is that they are TOAST EITHER WAY.  The "Genie" is too far out of the bottle.  Right now.....you have electric cars just "nibbling" at the amount of supply needed.  As years go by.....and I'm talking about NEAR TERM....over the next 3 - 5 years....that nibble becomes bigger and bigger....and WALL STREET KNOWS IT ALREADY.

For the markets OVERALL....that is VERY GOOD NEWS (electricity costs and transportation costs will continue to drop).  Even in a Trump presidency (God forbid).....oil companies are toast.  Long term....a few of the oil companies will survive because there are other things oil is used for, other than to burn.

The bad thing is.....if Trump is elected....it will slow down the transformation that is already taking place.....and it will put the US at a FURTHER DISADVANTAGE compared to other countries (like Germany that is moving away from fossil fuels faster than Donald Trump can lie.....OK, maybe not that fast....but fast) ;)




Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: oren on September 26, 2016, 11:28:52 PM
It goes to a much bigger broader issue....at least here in the US.....regarding advertising/promotion/selling.  No matter if you are promoting/advertising a PRODUCT or a CANDIDATE.....or POLICY.....if you say it enough times, a lot of people will believe it.

Humanity is really in a "bad spot" when it doesn't LOOK FOR THE TRUTH.
Actually, the "age of information" is drowning people with too much information, while their available time is less and less. In such an environment, sowing disinformation and misinformation provides great rewards. Most people can't handle it and they either believe nothing or believe something at random out of the whole information stream. Only someone who digs below the shallow headlines can make any sense of what the real truth is, and even then only at great investment of time.
Given also that most people's scientific and logic education seems to be very lacking, humanity can't seem to be able to find the truth even if it does look for it.
And since Trump is a headline-only person, he resonates well with the crowd.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: wili on September 27, 2016, 06:38:42 PM
Buddy, I agree that the stakes are high. But please try to avoid trotting out old, debunked propaganda.

Many many more Democrats voted for Bush in Florida than Greens did for Nader. Each of their votes, that Dems can (unlike with Greens) legitimately 'belonged' to Gore counted twice as much as most Nader voters, who would not necessarily have voted for either.

So why aren't Democrats fretting more about why people from their own party turned coats on them rather than why people from an opposing party didn't support them?

The very idea that people from a party that opposes yours have a responsibility to be sure that your candidate get elected is...really just to bizarre to even start to try to debate. If you don't see the utter absurdity of such a position, there's really not much more I can say.

I will also, though, point out that the margin was so thin (and still debated) that if any other interest group had voted even slightly differently, it also would have thrown the race the other way: If Blacks had voted 100% for Gore rather than 99.5% (or whatever it was), that would have thrown the election to Gore, but for some reason, the Dems have not spent the last nearly two decades beating up on Blacks for giving the election to Gore. Why is that?

The same can be said for other traditional constituencies of the Democratic party--larger majorities of gays, Jews, women, Latinos... and especially labor, had they voted just a bit more for Gore than they did in Florida would have swung the vote.

Yet Dems choose to only cherry pick one group, Greens, people from a different political party from them, as the ones somehow responsible for their loss.

The absurdity and small mindedness of such a bizarre position frankly beggars belief.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 27, 2016, 07:11:25 PM
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Yet Dems choose to only cherry pick one group, Greens, people from a different political party from them, as the ones somehow responsible for their loss.

I guess you will need to talk to the Democrats about that.  I'm an Independent....and have ALWAYS been an Independent.  Once again....sorry to rain on your parade.

And again....if it makes YOU feel better...you should vote for whatever third party you like......if "sending a message" makes you fell better.  I'm sure it must be more important than fighting global warming.

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The absurdity and small mindedness of such a bizarre position frankly beggars belief./quote]

That is likely only because you are intelligent and "broad minded"....and I clearly am not :'(.  I bow down to your incredible intelligence (and that of Donald Trump as well) ;)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 27, 2016, 07:28:50 PM
Looks like Rudi is trying to keep Donald's options open for the next debate or two:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/giuliani-trump-debates-228756 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/giuliani-trump-debates-228756)

I think if Trump would have done WORSE last night, like REALLY BOMBED....then he might have taken Rudi's advice (at least for the next debate).  But Trump didn't vomit on himself....so I think he is more likely than not to show up for debate #2.  And I would expect him to do better.



   
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 27, 2016, 07:40:00 PM
I think if Trump would have done WORSE last night, like REALLY BOMBED....then he might have taken Rudi's advice (at least for the next debate).  But Trump didn't vomit on himself....so I think he is more likely than not to show up for debate #2.  And I would expect him to do better.
 

He didn't vomit on himself but he sniffled a lot, which he blamed on his microphone.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 27, 2016, 10:15:03 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-debate-reaction/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-debate-reaction/index.html)

Trump has second thoughts today about debate moderator, Lester Holt.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 27, 2016, 10:34:27 PM
http://www.aol.com/article/2016/09/27/trump-vows-to-hit-clinton-harder-in-next-u-s-presidential-debat/21480388/ (http://www.aol.com/article/2016/09/27/trump-vows-to-hit-clinton-harder-in-next-u-s-presidential-debat/21480388/)

Trump vows to hit Clinton harder in next debate. The article includes a poll showing over 60% think Clinton won the debate.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 27, 2016, 11:04:04 PM
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Trump vows to hit Clinton harder in next debate. The article includes a poll showing over 60% think Clinton won the debate.

Debate number 2 is going to get REAL UGLY.  Good thing there are two moderators.  Anderson Cooper is going to have his hands full (fortunately.....he has bigger hands than Trump:).

BTW....here is a link for Donald's psychological makeup.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/07/trump-and-sociopathy/491966/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/07/trump-and-sociopathy/491966/)

Read that SLOWLY.  Donald to a T.



Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Csnavywx on September 27, 2016, 11:37:34 PM
Unfortunately, at this junction, all Donald had to do is prove that he isn't crazy and not flip his lid. He maintained his composure and hit the Rust-Belt points (which is where he, if he wins, will likely tip the balance). He did that. We'll know if it convinced people in a few days if the polls start moving in those key states of OH, PA, MI and WI. He's close to flipping PA and MI, which would be an electoral disaster for Hillary.

Hills still has a decent chance of winning, but it's all a LOT closer than any pundit or most logical people thought it would be just a few months ago.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Pmt111500 on September 29, 2016, 04:14:19 AM
I'd drop all hopes of stopping the sea level rise to +5 meters. (to answer the topic question)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on September 29, 2016, 07:29:14 AM
I'd drop all hopes of stopping the sea level rise to +5 meters. (to answer the topic question)

Very likely PMT, but in a Trump world all he has to do is say it isn't happening, and to him and his ilk, it isn't. Unless of course they live near the coast.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Pmt111500 on September 29, 2016, 11:11:55 AM
I'd drop all hopes of stopping the sea level rise to +5 meters. (to answer the topic question)

Very likely PMT, but in a Trump world all he has to do is say it isn't happening, and to him and his ilk, it isn't. Unless of course they live near the coarst.

Yeah, I tried to be as positive as I could on this.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 29, 2016, 03:43:01 PM
Better news for Clinton...."post debate".  Back into the "60's" vs the "50's":

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo)

Likely has a few more days before Nate's model FULLY "catches up" with all the "post debate" polls.  Will be interesting to see what Nate's model says this Saturday or Sunday.

Next presidential debate will be important for Clinton.....because the third debate will be a "homer" (not the baseball homer......but the "home town" homer because the last debate is on FOX....so Chris Wallace will make SURE that the tables are tilted towards Trump).
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 29, 2016, 03:56:28 PM
Nevada, Florida, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina moved up significantly over the last day as some of the early "post debate" polls start to trickle in.

Solidifying PA is huge of course....but also strengthening Nevada, Florida, and North Carolina are important.  Those 3 states are NOT "must have states" for Clinton....but it "spreads the field" for Clinton, and makes Trump spread his $$$ and time into those states. Trump HAS TO HAVE North Carolina and Florida.....Clinton doesn't.  If Clinton gets Nevada....then she could lose New Hampshire and still win.

It's definitely a chess game....

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 29, 2016, 04:21:55 PM
And in some news that is ALMOST as important as the debates......here is news from Bloomberg News on the US weekly jobless claims (reported each Thursday morning in the US):
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The number of applications to collect jobless benefits rose less than forecast last week, indicating employers are leery of dismissing workers as the labor market tightens.

Jobless claims rose by 3,000 to 254,000 in the week ended Sept. 24 from a five-month low in the previous period, a Labor Department report showed Thursday. The median forecast in a Bloomberg survey called for 260,000. The number of Americans already on benefit rolls declined to the lowest level since 2000.

Dismissals have been hovering just above the lowest level since the 1970s as employers compete for experienced workers amid a record number of job openings. The data are consistent with the Federal Reserve’s view that the job market “has continued to strengthen” and employment gains have been “solid.”


Estimates in the Bloomberg survey ranged from 250,000 to 275,000. The Labor Department revised the prior week’s reading to 251,000 from an initially reported 252,000. In April, claims dropped to 248,000, the fewest since 1973.

Applications filed with state employment agencies have been below 300,000 for 82 straight weeks -- the longest streak since 1970 and a level economists say is typical for a vibrant labor market.

No states’ claims were estimated last week and there was nothing unusual in the data, according to the Labor Department.

The less-volatile four-week average of claims dropped to 256,000, the lowest since April, from 258,250 in the prior week.




The number of people continuing to receive jobless benefits declined by 46,000 to 2.06 million in the week ended Sept. 17, the fewest since July 2000. The unemployment rate among people eligible for benefits held at 1.5 percent. These data are reported with a one-week lag.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 29, 2016, 06:58:56 PM
Here's a paragraph from an article (link at the bottom) regarding Trump's advice he is receiving for the second debate:

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Maybe now they'll succeed in getting Trump to do some practicing, but it's going to be a struggle; as we know, he has a notoriously short attention span. And if Rudy Giuliani is your main adviser on this, you've got a problem. Among other things, Giuliani is now offering the brilliant suggestion that Trump attack Clinton by noting that her husband cheated on her. Perhaps that's not surprising coming from Giuliani, who not only quite publicly cheated on his wife when he was mayor of New York but did everything he could to humiliate her in the process, in an episode of uncommon cruelty. Trump himself seems to like the idea; since Monday's debate he has suggested again and again to reporters that while he didn't bring up Monica Lewinsky then, he really wants to. That's going to go over great with women voters.
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http://theweek.com/articles/651768/why-donald-trump-even-worse-second-debate (http://theweek.com/articles/651768/why-donald-trump-even-worse-second-debate)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 30, 2016, 01:14:25 PM
Will the REAL Donald Trump....please stand up:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-lester-holt-rigged_us_57ed6fa3e4b0c2407cdcc2b4 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-lester-holt-rigged_us_57ed6fa3e4b0c2407cdcc2b4)

Also.....could be a bad "news cycle" for Trump over the next few days:

1)  Looking like a whiner over the debate not likely to sit well with Independent voters
2)  Miss Universe......Miss Piggy conversation won't go away....because Trump keeps talking about it
3)  Looks as though Trump was telling people in Florida how good the Cuban embargo was and how people should NOT be spending money in Cuba.....and 8 months earlier his people were spending money in Cuba.  Not going to sit well with Cuban Republicans in Miami area
4)  Now he is dredging out the Bill Clinton marital exploits.  And to do this.....he, Rudy Giuliani, and Newt Gingrich are talking about it.  They each have 3 marriages between them...and they ALL CHEATED ON THEIR WIVES.  Probably NOT a winning strategy with women voters.
5)  The "not showing his tax returns" is REALLY STARTING TO GAIN TRACTION.  An army vet started a money raising campaign....by where if Trump shows his tax returns BEFORE the last debate.....anyone donating to the website, the money will go to specified veteran organizations.  In addition.....billionaire Reed Hoffman has said he will MATCH any money on a 5 to 1 ratio....up to $5 million dollars.  So if at least 1 million is raised.....Hoffman will pony up another $5 million.

That tax issue is NOT going to go away.....and now it is making Trump look worse in the minds of INDENPENDENT voters....and voters who are "on the fence".  Trump's base could care less....but it isn't the base he needs now.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 30, 2016, 02:39:13 PM
Short snippet from the debate the other night.  I believe this is where she was getting after Trump for not paying taxes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNGGbozilko (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNGGbozilko)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 30, 2016, 02:55:44 PM
And for those of you who are in Canada, or Europe, or ANYWHERE other than in the US....here's a video that shows just HOW BAD our choice is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37P_fGVSumY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37P_fGVSumY)


Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on September 30, 2016, 06:24:36 PM
The issue of WHO Donald Trump is indebted to....and how much....is a big deal to me.  And his personal tax return could certainly shed some light on that (via interest expense...and who it is paid to).

As well.....Bloomberg wrote down Trump's wealth this year by $800 million....down to $3.8 Billion.  As I have noted before.....I think there is a SIGNIFICANT chance that Trump may be in bankruptcy within 4 years.

His commercial properties in New York have dropped in value over the last 12 - 15 months.  His golf properties are not exactly "on fire".

I think there is a significant chance that he is in "financial trouble".....and it is likely to implode more quickly if he is NOT elected.

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/deeply-in-debt-to-russians-donald-trump-may-only-be-running-for-president-to-avoid-bankruptcy/25398/ (http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/deeply-in-debt-to-russians-donald-trump-may-only-be-running-for-president-to-avoid-bankruptcy/25398/)

Here's an article about the newly refurbished hotel in Washington DC.  Great read.  Again...it sounds like trouble ahead for Trump.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/donald-trumps-old-post-office-hotel-financial-flop (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/donald-trumps-old-post-office-hotel-financial-flop)

In finance....there is something called "the roach theory".  Where there is one....there are many.  And I think the roaches are going to start to empty out in the next year or two....

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on October 04, 2016, 08:28:19 AM
I think this bit of news should go under the heading; How not to get re-elected Senator! Senator Kelly Ayotte from my home state of New Hampshire said Trump is absolutely a role model for kids, during her debate with Maggie Hassan last night. She later said she misspoke!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/kelly-ayotte-new-hampshire-donald-trump-debate/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/kelly-ayotte-new-hampshire-donald-trump-debate/index.html)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on October 04, 2016, 08:39:13 AM
Ultraconservative Ann Coulter, who wrote "Slander" which defended the actions of Joseph McCarthy in the 1950's witch hunt for communists, as well as many other books like "How to talk to a liberal, (if you must)", had this to say about Donald Trump; "Finally, we have a candidate who cares about Americans."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ann-coulter-on-trump-%E2%80%98finally-we-have-a-candidate-who-cares-about-americans%E2%80%99/ar-BBwUkCi?ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ann-coulter-on-trump-%E2%80%98finally-we-have-a-candidate-who-cares-about-americans%E2%80%99/ar-BBwUkCi?ocid=spartandhp)

If she had not been so successful in what she does, I suppose she could have been David Bowie's double in playing "Ziggie Stardust"!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: J Cartmill on October 04, 2016, 12:20:18 PM
Joe McCarthy was the witch hunter not Eugene.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on October 04, 2016, 01:50:25 PM
Joe McCarthy was the witch hunter not Eugene.

Right, sorry Eugene! r.i.p.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on November 22, 2016, 06:39:13 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-environment_us_5833a0bbe4b099512f84763a (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-environment_us_5833a0bbe4b099512f84763a)

"It's official: Donald Trump's first hundred days will be horrible for the planet."

"He's writing his legacy in the first few weeks" 'The president who thought climate change was a hoax.'"
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on November 22, 2016, 02:59:29 PM
Food for thought.....

(https://climatecrock.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/toles500.jpg?w=480)

That is why speaking up is so important....and it needs to be EARLY.  Those who say nothing....allow things to happen that should not happen.

 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: pileus on November 23, 2016, 04:03:00 PM
Just disgusting and sickening.  Let's close our eyes to science, and go back to the moon to plant another Merican flag.  At a time when climate change and impacts are accelerating, ignorance and willful disregard will be the official policy of the US.  Embarrassing.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/nasa-earth-donald-trump-eliminate-climate-change-research (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/nasa-earth-donald-trump-eliminate-climate-change-research)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on November 23, 2016, 04:13:59 PM
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At a time when climate change and impacts are accelerating, ignorance and willful disregard will be the official policy of the US.  Embarrassing.

And it is YOUR JOB AND MINE.....to mock them and belittle them.  From Trump....to FOX News....to Rick Scott....to Sean Hannity....to Joe Bastardi....to Newt Gingrich...etc...etc..

They will be the ones who are embarrassed over the next few years.  But it is OUR JOB to hold them accountable (the mocking them will just be icing on the cake).   Yes....it would be MUCH MUCH better if they just "looked at science."  But science isn't greasing their wallets....

 
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Sleepy on November 23, 2016, 05:42:40 PM
Re NASA and Bob Walkers statement. I'm amazed by the silence in here.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: pileus on November 23, 2016, 06:12:50 PM
And it is YOUR JOB AND MINE.....to mock them and belittle them.  From Trump....to FOX News....to Rick Scott....to Sean Hannity....to Joe Bastardi....to Newt Gingrich...etc...etc..

They will be the ones who are embarrassed over the next few years.  But it is OUR JOB to hold them accountable (the mocking them will just be icing on the cake).   Yes....it would be MUCH MUCH better if they just "looked at science."  But science isn't greasing their wallets....

I like your passion and enthusiasm.  We will need more of it in the coming months.  But the men you listed, and their brethren, are not embarrassed by facts and intellectual arguments.  They all operate in the world of CT and the presumption that anyone not of the "conservative" or far right mindset is automatically the enemy and is invalid.  Having these folks in power is exactly what the US and world do not need right now.

They basically are physics deniers. 

Of the "real" politicians I see Gingrich as the worst of the bunch.  He is largely responsible for the shift in tone since 94, of casting anyone outside a right wing POV as illegitimate and un-American.  Sure, it can all be traced back to money, but there is also a deep seated mindset at work.

We know here that physical and chemical processes will continue unabated, and that climate will assert and manifest itself in various forms next year and beyond.  Even disasters with strong or obvious correlations to global warming will not sway these folks.  They can't, as it would basically require them to admit they are frauds and "wrong", which is what they fear most, even more than Muslims and Mexicans and African Americans.

I remain skeptical that Trump actually takes office in January.  If he does, US citizens that actually care about their county and the world basically need to bring the gears of commerce and society to a halt, with massive protests and demonstrations, constantly.  I have very little faith in senior Democratic leaders in Congress and elsewhere.  They have an established track record of being spineless and trying to partner with the right wing, and that never works.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on November 23, 2016, 06:52:08 PM
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I like your passion and enthusiasm.  We will need more of it in the coming months.
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For sure.  I don't think that Trump knows what is coming his way.  Remember....he is used to running a SMALL ORGANIZATION.  This is NOT GE we're talking about.  He is used to getting HIS WAY....and everyone smiling and giving him adulation......he says frog, and people ask "how high".  THAT....is not what he is going to get from 70% of the electorate.  Remember....there are a LOT of people who didn't vote for Trump.  There is a LOT of HATE FOR HIM. 

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But the men you listed, and their brethren, are not embarrassed by facts and intellectual arguments.  They all operate in the world of CT and the presumption that anyone not of the "conservative" or far right mindset is automatically the enemy and is invalid.  Having these folks in power is exactly what the US and world do not need right now.

I agree that they don't care about facts and intellectual arguments.  But I think you may be surprised as more and more people mock them and make fun of them...and as more and more people "jump ship" off the denial train.  It doesn't happen at once....but it continues to happen slowly.  Bill O'Reilly is just the latest person to jump off that train to nowhere.  But again...we are talking about people with BIG EGO'S...and just like Trump....he HATES BEING LAUGHED AT.  HE HATES IT.  And these folks will become the butt of jokes as time continues to pass.

The rest of the world is passing them by....and their attempt to save the coal industry, or save the oil industry WILL NOT WORK.....THE ECONOMICS DON'T MAKE SENSE.  THAT...is what is killing it, and will continue to kill fossil fuels.






Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: ritter on November 23, 2016, 10:58:32 PM
Re NASA and Bob Walkers statement. I'm amazed by the silence in here.

It's hard to say much when you're projectile vomiting.  ;D
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Juan C. García on November 24, 2016, 01:56:32 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-environment_us_5833a0bbe4b099512f84763a (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-environment_us_5833a0bbe4b099512f84763a)

"It's official: Donald Trump's first hundred days will be horrible for the planet."

"He's writing his legacy in the first few weeks" 'The president who thought climate change was a hoax.'"

It is the same video that Budmantis posted before, but I have to say that I like the headline on the Washington Post: "Trump wants to lift restrictions on ‘clean coal.’ Whatever that is.". Also, it is good to read the article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/11/22/trump-wants-to-lift-restrictions-on-clean-coal-whatever-that-is/?utm_term=.d1fd6b8b2487&wpisrc=nl_green&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/11/22/trump-wants-to-lift-restrictions-on-clean-coal-whatever-that-is/?utm_term=.d1fd6b8b2487&wpisrc=nl_green&wpmm=1)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Sleepy on November 24, 2016, 06:31:02 AM
Re NASA and Bob Walkers statement. I'm amazed by the silence in here.

It's hard to say much when you're projectile vomiting.  ;D
Use a bucket, keep anything off the keyboard but your fingers. ;)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: budmantis on November 24, 2016, 06:38:44 AM
Re NASA and Bob Walkers statement. I'm amazed by the silence in here.

It's hard to say much when you're projectile vomiting.  ;D
Use a bucket, keep anything off the keyboard but your fingers. ;)

And be sure to keep a barf bag handy, just in case!
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Pmt111500 on November 24, 2016, 08:04:01 AM
Re NASA and Bob Walkers statement. I'm amazed by the silence in here.

It's hard to say much when you're projectile vomiting.  ;D
Use a bucket, keep anything off the keyboard but your fingers. ;)

And be sure to keep a barf bag handy, just in case!

At least we can be happy USofD(umbfu...stan) is going to fall behind in getting profits from sensible energy production. Haha.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on November 30, 2016, 03:16:03 PM
This is why I am not as concerned as some folks.....that Trump will be able to trash the environment:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2016/11/30/akio-toyoda-puts-himself-and-3-lieutenants-in-charge-of-electric-car-drive/#383d5c2d9c12 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2016/11/30/akio-toyoda-puts-himself-and-3-lieutenants-in-charge-of-electric-car-drive/#383d5c2d9c12)

Toyota is just the latest to seriously join the bandwagon of EV transportation.  As this continues to grow.....fossil fuel will be left behind.

Don't get me wrong....I don't think Trump will have NO EFFECT on the environment.  He will have a negative effect.  But as far as slowing down the move to renewable energy.....that train has left the station and there is no way to stop it.  Slow it down slightly in the US.....yes.  But businesses are moving too fast into that arena to slow it down much.  Dimwit Donnie doesn't see it....but businesses do.

Energy and transportation costs will continue to come down in coming years.  Now....200+ miles will be the standard minimum like the Bolt.  I expect that to expand to 300....400....500 in coming years.  And when that is coupled with more and more energy generation at HOME.....there is just too much power behind that move.....the power of ECONOMICS.

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Pmt111500 on December 11, 2016, 11:01:51 AM
https://twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/807802102416228352

Of course you may also want to archive the data to your home computer, preferably to one that's not in the internet, and alter the data headers for potential cyber attacks.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Neven on December 14, 2016, 07:37:19 PM
Here's a good video from the Jimmy Dore Show talking about the appointment of T-Rex Tillerson as Sec of State:

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x76I1nqhmuA#)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: pileus on January 17, 2017, 03:38:08 PM
At a macro level, IMO this is a good representation of the overwhelming momentum with renewables and market forces.  The FF industries and their cronies will certainly have new life injected from a Trump admin, but it will just be an unfortunate bump in the journey towards the future of energy. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/not-even-trump-can-easily-reverse-our-progress-on-climate-change/2017/01/16/3d719356-dc25-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.1269b8771d98 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/not-even-trump-can-easily-reverse-our-progress-on-climate-change/2017/01/16/3d719356-dc25-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.1269b8771d98)

At a micro or local level, this an example of the tangible harm that Trump can enable with the extreme anti-environment and climate change denying GOP mindset.  The freedom to pollute and exploit resources is more important to the GOP than conserving and caring for the world around us.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trumps-nominee-to-head-epa-has-opposed-the-chesapeake-bay-cleanup/2017/01/16/a881d408-d90a-11e6-b8b2-cb5164beba6b_story.html?hpid=hp_local-news_bayclean-715pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.b9dc8b1f61d5 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trumps-nominee-to-head-epa-has-opposed-the-chesapeake-bay-cleanup/2017/01/16/a881d408-d90a-11e6-b8b2-cb5164beba6b_story.html?hpid=hp_local-news_bayclean-715pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.b9dc8b1f61d5)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Pmt111500 on January 21, 2017, 08:49:12 AM
Denying there's a problem doesn't erase the problem. I think I'll yse this thread for politics since Turnip... Sorry Trump Drumpfkopf is not my president and not the president of the majority of the USA voters. The asshole should be removed from office if he at anytime finds it. Already he's lied about being the president for all people in US by removing facts from the white house website. My advice for politicians everywhere outside USA or rather DSM denierland is to not talk with so called US government officials on anything, or if it can't be avoided, use the Monty Python argument clinic methods with them to show the error of their ways.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Pmt111500 on January 22, 2017, 04:14:47 AM
Aww how cute to defend proper language, it would be time to start ignoring people on the forum. Just to inform some who might be legitimately offended of my posts.

Please someone paint the White House black with coal dust on everyone in there a bit like in this false negative.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: pileus on January 22, 2017, 07:28:05 PM
So we have this - no surprise of course, and the Saudis and others have rightfully waived this off, given how the global markets (currently) operate.  I've been cognizant of presidents talking about breaking away from Mideast oil since Carter, and realized since Bush the Elder that it was all a sham.  Only difference now is we'll get to observe the folly of this effort on steroids, while renewables and transformational technology continue to create escape velocity from FF. 

"Just after his inauguration on Friday, Trump said he was “committed to achieving energy independence from the OPEC cartel and any nations hostile to our interests,” by exploiting “vast untapped domestic energy reserves”, according to a plan posted on the White House website."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-22/opec-shrugs-off-threat-of-trump-s-america-cutting-oil-imports (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-22/opec-shrugs-off-threat-of-trump-s-america-cutting-oil-imports)
Title: What's new in Trumpistan
Post by: Pmt111500 on February 02, 2017, 07:24:09 AM
The goal of shaving off 80 years off the dominant Gregorian calendar is proceeding with vigour. The great Trumpistan calendar will be announced exactly as planned. It'll be great, says the glorious leader. EPA is ordered to reset their numbers accordingly, thus they'll be essential in solving the issues about negros Trumpistan has recently had. Applied laws will be those of the new date, adapting the newer laws if they're deemed worthy by the People's represemtatives. That people are not People should be obvious.

(one humorist here said recently it's not anymore possible to be ironic/sarcastic for the reality is too much so)
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: wili on February 02, 2017, 08:50:29 AM
Perhaps you're thinking of: "No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up."

From the inimitable Lily Tomlin, recently recognized for a lifetime achievement award.
Title: What's new in Trumpistan
Post by: Pmt111500 on February 03, 2017, 04:05:36 AM
The always helpful negroes, the democrats, have come up with a proposal for a new flag for Trumpistan. This is all great, says the glorious leader. He will assign floggers for the mealymouthed jokesters. However, he thinks a new flag would be good for the land, the old one is over 200 years of age and all greatness has vanished from it during the false pretenders to the throne. Thus El Magnifico Presidente proclaims a competition to those in Trumpistan who can color a flag-shaped area without crossing borders, as this is prohibited, and personally selects via flag-selection committee the new flag for Trumpistan. As a warning to those trying to subtly mock the glorious leader, the offending flag is presented here. The good citicens may propose it again giving the symbols their proper meaning, and not those presented and not told here. Flogging will ensue if you do so.
Title: Re: What's new in Trumpistan
Post by: magnamentis on February 03, 2017, 05:52:04 AM
The always helpful negroes, the democrats, have come up with a proposal for a new flag for Trumpistan. This is all great, says the glorious leader. He will assign floggers for the mealymouthed jokesters. However, he thinks a new flag would be good for the land, the old one is over 200 years of age and all greatness has vanished from it during the false pretenders to the throne. Thus El Magnifico Presidente proclaims a competition to those in Trumpistan who can color a flag-shaped area without crossing borders, as this is prohibited, and personally selects via flag-selection committee the new flag for Trumpistan. As a warning to those trying to subtly mock the glorious leader, the offending flag is presented here. The good citicens may propose it again giving the symbols their proper meaning, and not those presented and not told here. Flogging will ensue if you do so.

it's too nice, trumbistan diservers an ugly flag IMO :-)
Title: What's new in Trumpistan
Post by: Pmt111500 on February 06, 2017, 12:10:28 PM
Leaked memo:
It appears that some foreign individuals in Comores or maybe communists want their land bombed to ocean, we are aware they're voiced some concerns about sea level rise due the nonexistant global warming, but we are happy to hasten the process. This is a aggrandissement (long words we can!) and an outstanding example of why the wall must be built.

https://whytrumpisgreat.com/
Title: What's new in Trumpistan
Post by: Pmt111500 on February 14, 2017, 08:28:01 AM
Qummuneeque:
While We the President gladly welcome the fact that a negro democrat of West Virginia, Joe Man-Ching, has voted for the appointed chum of us to be the holdee of treasury, we still remind the law-obedient People of Trumpistan that the so called Senate is unlawful as it accepts also negros as voters. This should be corrected with the voter-suppression methods commonly used in the more loyal parts of the country.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Buddy on February 14, 2017, 03:46:05 PM
In a matter of weeks/months (likely months).....the title of this thread needs to be changed:

"What would a Paul Ryan presidency mean to combating AGW/CC?"

Title: What's new in Trumpistan
Post by: Pmt111500 on February 16, 2017, 08:07:37 AM
With joy we note the offer of the temporary senate member Chuck Schumer to vote for the correct party in the next elections. He talks of 'bipartisanship' like it was a thing. He can rest assured we take up his offer to whiten his skin. However, if he does this, he'll be a traitor, and we do not deal with traitors. Chucky chum, let's get back to your infiltrationous ways of doing pollitics after midterms. You maybe a good laddie, but you really should know better that it's all the way or no way. You're however welcome to build the wall, but I'm afraid we can't afford to give you any machinery since your position on CC. Please report to your work-duty to Flynn, he's now in charge of the manual labor on the camp.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Pmt111500 on March 14, 2017, 01:05:52 PM
The beloved Trumpistan leader notifies his subjects from this day on use of microwaves is forbidden. Be it cooking, cheffing, or measuring ice with chinese adjusted satellites. Melting is also forbidden. In fact, best you trash your old micro waves and buy a new secure one from the importer daughter. Those are great.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on May 31, 2019, 05:51:19 AM
Eleven ways the Trump Administration has gutted environmental protections:
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-trump-administration-has-gutted-environmental-protections-2019-5

EDIT: Trump advisor says limiting CO2 is like the Shoah:
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-trump-adviser-compares-carbon-dioxide-to-jewish-victims-of-the-nazis-1.7298998

EDIT 2:
Trump administration to press: Stop talking about AGW:
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-press-stop-talking-about-climate-change-1442163
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 08, 2019, 07:00:56 PM
Administration blocks intelligence report warning on AGW:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2019/06/08/white-house-blocked-intelligence-aides-written-testimony-saying-human-caused-climate-change-could-be-possibly-catastrophic/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.679460ecddc9

EDIT:
Sec of State says people can move:
https://myfox8.com/2019/06/09/pompeo-downplays-climate-change-suggests-people-move-to-different-places/

Trump's EPA tries to water down regulations (but might be too incompetent):
https://slate.com/technology/2019/06/trump-administration-cant-actually-undermine-environmental-regulation-too-incompetent.html
and they cut states' power to deny permits:
https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060510579

Trump wants 20 years for protesters:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-03/pipeline-protesters-could-face-20-year-sentence-under-trump-plan

EDIT 2:
House Dems push back to save Obama lightbulb rule:
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/449393-trump-administration-lightbulb-rollback-blocked-by-house-spending
and on the Trump coal policy:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-18/trump-s-biggest-move-to-end-war-on-coal-won-t-rescue-industry

EDIT 3:
Trump plan bad for climate:
https://www.rollcall.com/news/epa-finalizes-clean-power-plan-replacement and http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2019/06/19/study-shows-that-trumps-new-affordable-clean-energy-rule-will-lead-to-more-co2-emissions-not-fewer/#.XQu-DiApCUk
and won't rescue the coal industry:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Trump-s-Biggest-Move-to-End-the-War-on-14018158.php

EDIT 4:
Trump aide climate denialist:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/21/william-happer-trump-white-house-climate-crisis
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on July 27, 2019, 08:25:30 PM
Trump lowers fuel emissions standards:
https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article233113037.html
Trump's Interior Department sidelining scientists:
https://www.virginiamercury.com/2019/07/25/trumps-interior-department-is-sidelining-scientists-experts-warn-lawmakers-virginia-congressmen-skip-hearing/
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on July 29, 2019, 10:00:50 PM
What would a second term mean?
https://newrepublic.com/article/154539/trumps-reelection-doom-planet
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on August 09, 2019, 01:48:36 AM
Trump EPA appoints former oil executive:
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/07082019/oil-executive-mcqueen-appointed-epa-region-administrator-texas-new-mexico-louisiana-oklahoma-arkansas-tribes
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on August 19, 2019, 06:00:07 PM
The Trump administration has rolled back more than 80 environmental regulations but some states are fighting back. No state has been more active in the resistance against Trump’s environmental deregulation efforts than California.
Our guest for our Trump on Earth podcast is Jared Blumenfeld, secretary for California EPA (Cal-EPA). We spoke to him just a few days before the deal between California and the automakers was announced, when those negotiations were still top secret.
https://www.alleghenyfront.org/california-v-trump/

AUG 20:
The 6 things you most need to know about Trump’s new climate plan
1) Trump’s EPA is regulating carbon because it has to, not because it wants to
2) The legal question at the heart of the dispute over CPP has never been decided by courts
3) ACE is so weak, it could potentially lead to higher emissions
4) Gutting New Source Review (which goes along with ACE) could also raise emissions
5) Even after torturing the numbers, the EPA couldn’t make ACE look like a good deal
6) We may have already reached the CPP’s 2030 goal; it’s time for more ambition, not less
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/8/19/20812243/trump-epa-climate-plan-ace-cpp-6-things
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on August 27, 2019, 08:52:12 PM
Donald Trump Skips G7 Session on Climate Change and Amazon Fires
https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-skips-g7-session-on-climate-change-and-amazon-fires
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President Trump was a no show at a crucial session on climate change, biodiversity, and the devastating fires ravaging the Amazon rainforest at the G7 summit in Biarritz, France, on Monday. Trump’s chair was empty as leaders discussed developing a $20 million emergency fund to help countries affected by the Amazon fires. Trump aides had suggested earlier in the summit that the agenda set by French president Emmanuel Macron was meant to embarrass Trump by focusing on what they called “niche issues” like climate change and gender equality. When asked if he had attended, Trump told reporters, “We’re having it in a little while,” according to the Guardian. He then did not answer a reporter who informed him that the climate meeting had already ended. A White House spokesperson said a senior member of the Trump administration had attended instead.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: DrTskoul on August 27, 2019, 09:01:19 PM
Another 4 years and it will be game over ....
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: TerryM on August 27, 2019, 09:33:55 PM
Another 4 years and it will be game over ....


Game!
This is no Game!
This is our Lives!


No one will shuffle the cards for the next hand.
We'll play the cards we've got &/or die trying.


Terry :(
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 01, 2019, 01:36:23 AM
6 major climate change rules the Trump administration is reversing
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/climate/climate-rule-trump-reversing.html
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The move to rescind environmental rules governing emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, brings to 84 the total number of environmental rules that the Trump administration has worked to repeal. Officials at the White House, the Environmental Protection Agency and other agencies have called the regulations burdensome to the fossil fuel industry and other businesses.

Half of those environmental rollback attempts, like the new methane reversal, will undercut efforts by previous administrations to reduce emissions and fight climate change. Many of these efforts have been challenged in the courts; whether the administration will succeed in achieving all of its goals is far from certain. Here are some of the most significant climate-related reversals

Sep 2:
A new strategy on climate: Try to outlast Trump
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/30/trump-climate-strategy-1695813
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“They’re just trying to wait it out and hope he’s not there next year,” said Alden Meyer, the director of strategy and policy with the Union of Concerned Scientists, who has participated in international climate meetings since 1991.

Many businesses oppose Trump’s deregulatory agenda. Here’s why
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/8/30/20840224/businesses-oppose-trump-deregulatory-agenda-rules
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Business got what it wanted with Trump, but as my granddad used to say, they got more of what they wanted than they wanted. Now some big companies find themselves in the bewildering position of begging an administration for tougher rules. The businesses in question deserve no sympathy — lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas, etc. — but their strange lobbying inversion is quite revealing about the state of partisan politics and the disposition of the parties toward the business community.
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 09, 2019, 06:17:03 PM
Mick Jagger Condemns Trump Administration’s Climate Change Stance
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/mick-jagger-trump-climate-change-venice-881402/
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“We are in a very difficult situation at the moment, especially in the U.S., where all the environmental controls that were put in place – that were just about adequate – have been rolled back by the current administration so much that they are being wiped out,” Jagger said of the Trump administration. “The U.S. should be the world leader in environmental control but now it has decided to go the other way.”
Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 16, 2019, 05:31:41 PM
Trump's long-term plan to destroy Obama's green legacy
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-environment-obama-water-regulation-a9104966.html
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The White House is not only overturning as many environmental protections as it can - it also wants to significantly change the legal landscape to make it harder to reinstate them. Lily Puckett reports

Title: Re: What Would a Donald Trump Presidency Mean to Combating AGW/CC
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 21, 2019, 12:53:18 AM
Pa. enviros assail Trump’s move to block states from setting tougher car emissions rules
https://www.penncapital-star.com/energy-environment/pa-enviros-assail-trumps-move-to-block-states-from-setting-tougher-car-emissions-rules/
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President Donald Trump declared Wednesday that he’s revoking California’s ability to set tougher greenhouse gas standards for automobiles, a move his critics say will harm industry and hinder nationwide efforts to combat climate change.

“The Trump Administration is revoking California’s Federal Waiver on emissions in order to produce far less expensive cars for the consumer, while at the same time making the cars substantially SAFER,” Trump wrote on Twitter.