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Title: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 18, 2018, 02:50:01 AM
This thread is intended to focus on the ongoing Mueller investigation ...... AND ...... the Cohen investigation.  There will be overlap in these two ...... and things are going to continue to heat up in coming days and weeks.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Human Habitat Index on April 18, 2018, 03:03:41 AM
The whole thing is scripted, I'm not wasting my time anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irrbuaiUMVw
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: oren on April 18, 2018, 03:09:05 AM
Thanks, we really needed another political thread  :P
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on April 18, 2018, 09:41:03 AM
So, is Mueller being investigated? Or is Cohen also leading an investigation?  ;)

BTW, why did it take so long to get to Trump's lawyer?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on April 18, 2018, 04:31:19 PM

BTW, why did it take so long to get to Trump's lawyer?

Well-established precedent, I think.  Here, at least, lawyers enjoy privilege against investigation when it comes to most dealings with clients and their "work product." 
This privilege is supported, of course, by all the lawyers who make the laws and sit as judges, as well as a strong lobby in Washington.

A partial exception exists specifically for RICO investigations.  These laws permit lawyers to be charged if they participate in operational decisions of a corrupt organization.  Raids like the one on Cohen are not uncommon in RICO investigations, rare otherwise.  Bank fraud and wire fraud are specifically listed in the RICO statutes, as I recall.  The Trump Organization seems to fit a fairly classic picture of a "racketeering influenced and corrupt organization."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 19, 2018, 03:21:55 PM
Facing a Legal Storm, Trump Calls His Old Lawyer Buddy, Who Warns That Michael Cohen Will Almost Certainly Flip

If Michael Cohen were to flip on Donnie....it is "lights out" for Traitor Trump.  An "ex attorney" of Trump's thinks that it is very likely that Cohen will indeed flip on Trump.

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What did Goldberg have to say? Keep an eye on Cohen; he’s a rat. From the WSJ:

One of President Donald Trump’s longtime legal advisers said he warned the president in a phone call Friday that Michael Cohen, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer and close friend, would turn against the president and cooperate with federal prosecutors if faced with criminal charges.

Whoa! Now we’re talking. And then?

Mr. Goldberg said he cautioned the president not to trust Mr. Cohen. On a scale of 100 to 1, where 100 is fully protecting the president, Mr. Cohen “isn’t even a 1,” he said he told Mr. Trump…. In the call, Mr. Goldberg [-] said he told the president Mr. Cohen could even agree to wear a wire and try to record conversations with Mr. Trump. “You have to be alert,” Mr. Goldberg said he told the president. “I don’t care what Michael says.”


[/size][/b]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/trump-calls-old-lawyer-buddy-who-warns-michael-cohen-will-flip.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 19, 2018, 03:36:05 PM
New York Attorney General Seeks Power to Bypass Presidential Pardons

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Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman of New York is moving to change New York state law so that he and other local prosecutors would have the power to bring criminal charges against aides to President Trump who have been pardoned, according to a letter Mr. Schneiderman sent to the governor and state lawmakers on Wednesday.

The move, if approved by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and the Legislature, would serve notice that the legal troubles of the president and his aides may continue without the efforts of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating possible Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Under the plan, Mr. Schneiderman, a Democrat, seeks to exempt New York’s double jeopardy law from cases involving presidential pardons, according to the letter, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times. The current law and the concept of double jeopardy in general mean that a person cannot be tried for the same crime twice.

Right now, New York state law prevents people from being prosecuted more than once for crimes related to the same act, even if the original prosecution was in federal court. There are already a number of exceptions to the law, and the letter says that Mr. Schneiderman is proposing to add a new one that could be used if federal pardons are issued.

One of the "assumptions" that I have had all along..... is that Eric Schneiderman would bring the STATE CASE against some/all of the Trump defendants BEFORE the Federal case.  That way, the state law against multiple prosecution would not be an issue.

But.... if New York were to pass the proposed exemption, then both the state AND feds could prosecute without being waylaid by the "double prosecution" New York law, AND without fear that anyone other than the governor of New York could pardon them.   

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/nyregion/schneiderman-trump-mueller-pardons.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 20, 2018, 01:31:14 AM
Mueller should get a warrant to search Rudy Giuliani's offices just like the FBI who searched Cohen's office/room:

Title: "Giuliani says he is joining Trump's legal team to help bring Mueller probe to a conclusion"

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/19/politics/giuliani-trump-legal-team/index.html

Extract: "Rudy Giuliani is joining President Donald Trump's personal legal team, Trump's personal lawyer Jay Sekulow announced Thursday.

In an interview with CNN, Giuliani said he wants to make clear that his role on the legal team will be "limited."

Giuliani told CNN his focus will be on interfacing with special counsel Robert Mueller in his Russia probe and to help bring everything to a conclusion, saying it "needs a little push."

Mueller is investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 election, including any potential ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. Trump has repeatedly denied any collusion."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 20, 2018, 09:11:24 PM
Who knows if this lose thread in Cohen's recent narrative will unwind to expose deeper matters:

Title: "Michael Cohen Says He’s “Never” Been to Prague. He Told Me a Different Story."

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/04/michael-cohen-says-hes-never-been-to-prague-he-told-me-a-different-story/

Extract: "In the weeks after the election, the details in Steele’s dispatches remained secret, and I spent weeks trying to determine if any of the allegations could be substantiated. The claim that Cohen met secretly with Russians seemed to be one of the tales that might be confirmable. I took a stab at that. While pursuing that angle, I called Cohen. He insisted that there had been no trip to Prague and that he had met with no Russians during the campaign.

This week I reviewed my notes from that phone call. Here’s the direct quote from Cohen: “I haven’t been to Prague in 14 years. I was in Prague for one afternoon 14 years ago.”

What’s notable? In that conversation, Cohen acknowledged he had once been to Prague—but a long time ago. In his recent denial, Cohen, whose home and office were raided last week by FBI agents seeking records related to the Stormy Daniels case and other matters (including taxi medallions), asserted he had “never” been to Prague. How significant is this discrepancy? There is no telling. But it is an inconsistency. Cohen’s lead lawyer could not be reached for a comment."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 21, 2018, 03:18:24 AM
Why would Trump's legal team be bracing for Cohen to cooperate with the federal investigation, unless Team Trump knows that Cohen has knowledge of criminal activity with which to trade for a plea deal?

Title: "Trump’s legal team bracing for Cohen to cooperate with federal investigation: report"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/384180-trumps-legal-team-bracing-for-cohen-to-cooperate-with-federal

Extract: "President Trump's legal team is bracing for the possibility that Michael Cohen could flip on the president and cooperate with prosecutors, according to a New York Times report."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 21, 2018, 08:10:41 AM
Many conservative Republicans in the House want to impeach Rosenstein, and by turning over the Comey memos, Rosenstein not only survives to fight another day, but also the memos make Donald Trump look very bad:

Title: "Rosenstein survives latest clash with Congress"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/20/rosenstein-congress-comey-memos-clash-543950

Extract: "By handing over the Comey memos, the man overseeing the Mueller probe has soothed his sharpest critics — for now."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 21, 2018, 08:16:07 AM
The DNC strikes back with a civil lawsuit against the RNC, Wikileaks and Russia (Russia, Russia):

Title: "DNC Sues Trump Campaign, WikiLeaks, Russia Over Election Interference"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-20/trump-campaign-russia-sued-by-dnc-over-election-interference

Extract: "The Democratic National Committee sued Russia, the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks claiming widespread interference in the 2016 election as part of a "brazen attack on American democracy.

The civil lawsuit could force President Donald Trump’s 2016 staffers to answer questions under oath about campaign activities. Evidence gathered by the DNC could be made public in court filings and at a trial -- in contrast to information obtained through Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of Russian interference, which might not be publicly disclosed."


Stop and think how the discovery process in the DNC civil lawsuit can help expose dirt on the Trump campaign that could help Mueller to file appropriate criminal charges (much like Stormy Daniels' civil lawsuit helped the FBI get a search warrant to seize Michael Cohen's electronic records).
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 21, 2018, 08:19:51 AM
The evidence is mounting to push Cohen into a corner:

Title: "Former lawyer for Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal cooperating with Cohen probe"

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/20/politics/keith-davidson-michael-cohen/index.html

Extract: "Keith Davidson, the lawyer at the center of agreements with two women paid to keep silent about alleged affairs from more than a decade ago with Donald Trump, is cooperating with the probe into the President's personal lawyer Michael Cohen, Davidson's spokesman said Friday."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 21, 2018, 03:27:45 PM
Stormy Daniels' Lawyer Warns Trump of Evidence DVD, and Says Hannity Faces 'Embarrassing' Revelations

Oh I hope not.  I would hate to see Sean Hannity sully his already abysmal reputation.... ;)

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In an appearance on HBO’s Real Time With Bill Maher Friday, Stormy Daniel’s lawyer Michael Avenatti claimed that a DVD of evidence of Daniels’ affair with President Donald Trump is “locked and loaded.”

In the comments about the DVD on the online-only Overtime segment of the show, Avenatti was quizzed about a mysterious DVD he had tweeted a picture of with the message If “a picture is worth a thousand words,” how many words is this worth?????”

Avenatti has described the picture of the DVD as a "warning shot" to Trump.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/stormy-daniels-apos-lawyer-warns-100409981.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 21, 2018, 04:48:30 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmm......

Why didn't Donald just say, "There is nothing for Michael to flip on".  Instead..... Donnie just says that Michael isn't going to flip.....like THERE IS SOMETHING TO FLIP ON.  Even Donnie knows that there is stuff that Michael can flip on....and it is NOT good for Traitor Don.

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In three tweets, Trump claimed that the Times and its “third rate reporter” and “crooked H flunkie” Maggie Haberman were “going out of their way to destroy Michael Cohen and his relationship with me in the hope that he will ‘flip.’”

“Sorry, I don’t see Michael doing that despite the horrible Witch Hunt and the dishonest media!” Trump added.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-rips-york-times-reporter-131740060.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 21, 2018, 04:59:46 PM
Michael Avenatti on Bill Maher ......  Bill Maher doesn't have a youtube channel....but he does have his own show.

https://youtu.be/-vYVDPbL_EA

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 22, 2018, 05:30:17 PM
One of the more fascinating things about the 2016 election that elected Traitor Trump, is the involvement of Cambridge Analytica.

The Palmer Report just did an article on it and the link is below:

http://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/ted-cruz-trump-russia/8923/

Keep in mind....that Cambridge Analytica as well as "the Mercers" (financial backers of Cambridge Analytica) were first supporters of Ted Cruz before moving to Donald Trump after it was clear that Trump was going to get the nomination.  As well ..... Kelly Anne Conway was also with Ted Cruz (and blasting Donald Trump) before moving to the Donald Trump campaign.

The involvement of the Mercers is going to be looked into by the Mueller Investigation:

1)  When did the Mercers AND Cambridge Analytica first get involved with Donald Trump?
2)  What was the interaction between Cambridge Analytica and any Russian sources?
3)  What was the interaction between Cambridge Analytica and the Trump campaign?
4)  What knowledge does Ted Cruz or Kelly Anne Conway have with the operations of Cambridge Analytica and their communication with Russian sources?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on April 22, 2018, 08:40:02 PM
Bloomberg reports that Rosenstein can confirmed to  Trump that Trump is not a target of the Mueller investigation:

"Rosenstein, who brought up the investigations himself, offered the assurance during a meeting with Trump at the White House last Thursday, a development that helped tamp down the president’s desire to remove Rosenstein or Mueller ..."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-19/rosenstein-said-to-tell-trump-he-s-not-target-in-mueller-probe

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 23, 2018, 05:26:17 PM
Given the scandalous linked real estate story, it is little wonder that Hannity sought Cohen's real estate advice:

Title: "Michael Cohen case shines light on Sean Hannity's property empire"

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/apr/22/michael-cohen-sean-hannity-property-real-estate-ben-carson-hud?CMP=share_btn_tw

Extract: " Fox News host who said Trump’s fixer ‘knows real estate’ has a portfolio that includes support from Department of Housing, a fact he did not mention when interviewing Ben Carson last year

The records link Hannity to a group of shell companies that spent at least $90m on more than 870 homes in seven states over the past decade. The properties range from luxurious mansions to rentals for low-income families. Hannity is the hidden owner behind some of the shell companies and his attorney did not dispute that he owns all of them.

Dozens of the properties were bought at a discount in 2013, after banks foreclosed on their previous owners for defaulting on mortgages. Before and after then, Hannity sharply criticised Barack Obama for the US foreclosure rate. In January 2016, Hannity said there were “millions more Americans suffering under this president” partly because of foreclosures."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on April 23, 2018, 05:39:17 PM
This is good stuff! Hannity is such a hypocritical ***hole. :D
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 23, 2018, 08:57:43 PM
Who knows, if Trump goes to prison for his role in Russiagate maybe while thereche will write the equivalent of "Mein Kampf", just to keep the pot boiling:

Title: "Pulitzer-winning reporter David Cay Johnston: “The evidence suggests Trump is a traitor”"

https://www.salon.com/2018/04/23/pulitzer-winning-reporter-david-cay-johnston-the-evidence-suggests-trump-is-a-traitor/

Extract: "Investigative reporter who has covered Trump for 30 years dares to imagine impeachment — and President Nancy Pelosi

Here are the key things people should know about Donald Trump. He comes from a family of criminals: His grandfather made his fortune running whorehouses in Seattle and in the Yukon Territory. His father, Fred, had a business partner named Willie Tomasello, who was an associate of the Gambino crime family. Trump's father was also investigated by the U.S. Senate for ripping off the government for what would be the equivalent of $36 million in today's money. Donald got his showmanship from his dad, as well as his comfort with organized criminals.

The job of a prosecutor is not to bring the perfect case, it's not to bring the case that should be brought for political reasons. It's to bring the easiest, most solid case that wins. Mueller will do that. There is nothing that prevents indicting a sitting president, but it is an untested issue. Mueller is going to have to decide whether to indict him or to go to Congress.

There is no good ending to the story. America will survive this, we'll get past it, but whenever Trump leaves, there's no good ending. If Trump is removed by impeachment or by the voters, whether in a Republican primary or a general election, I know what he will do. He's already told us what he will do by his actions. Trump will spend the rest of his days fomenting violence and revolution in this country.

At an absolute minimum, Donald Trump has divided loyalties, and the evidence we already have suggests that Donald Trump is a traitor. In fact, I would say that the evidence we already have, the public materials such as emails for example, strongly indicate that Donald Trump is a traitor."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 23, 2018, 09:11:27 PM
The linked op/ed by a history professor opines that Trump's Presidency may well be over within the next 14 months:

Title: "A History Professor Explains Why Trump's Presidency Appears to Be Reaching Its End"

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/history-professor-explains-why-trumps-presidency-appears-be-reaching-its-end

Extract: "The president's administration is in worse shape than even critics expected.

So with 15 months down in the Trump Presidency, the chance of his leaving in the next 14 months at the most is on the horizon."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 24, 2018, 03:04:37 AM
If what Michael Flynn, Jr. just tweeted is true then Pence and Trump may both be lying about why Michael Flynn was fired:

Title: "Did Michael Flynn Jr. just reveal something very, very important about the Russia investigation?"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/did-michael-flynn-jr-just-reveal-something-very-very-important-about-the-russia-investigation/ar-AAwfrXp?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "On Monday morning, Michael Flynn Jr., the son of President Donald Trump's former national security adviser, tweeted something very, well ... interesting.

"American Patriot @GenFlynn did not lie to Pence (or anyone else in the admin) about his perfectly legal and appropriate conversations w Russian AMB Kislyak in Dec 2016," Flynn Jr. tweeted. "Why would a highly decorated military intel officer lie about something legal? Been a MSM lie from day 1."

So just to be clear, what Flynn Jr. is alleging is that his dad never lied to Vice President Mike Pence (or anyone else!) about his interactions with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 24, 2018, 03:45:32 AM
He is evidence that Trump lied to Comey; which at a minimum serves to support Comey's memos:

Title: "Flight Records Illuminate Mystery of Trump's Moscow Nights"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/flight-records-illuminate-mystery-of-trump-s-moscow-nights

Extract: "President Donald Trump twice gave James Comey an alibi for why a salacious report about the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow couldn’t be true: He never even spent the night in Russia during that trip, Trump told the former FBI director, according to Comey’s memos about the conversations.

Yet the broad timeline of Trump’s stay, stretching from Friday, Nov. 8, 2013, through the following Sunday morning, has been widely reported. And it’s substantiated by social media posts that show he slept in Moscow the night before the Miss Universe contest.

Now, flight records obtained by Bloomberg provide fresh details. Combined with existing accounts and Trump’s own social-media posts, they capture two days that, nearly five years later, loom large in the controversy engulfing the White House and at the heart of the Comey memos, which the Justice Department turned over last week to Congress."

Edit: The following link provides the legal code that defines what constitutes making a false statement to the FBI, and it certainly sounds like Trump was doing exactly that to Comey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on April 24, 2018, 05:56:00 AM
Is there a walkback of the bloomberg claim that rosenstein confirmed to trump that he is not a Mueller target ?
I have not seen counterclaim yet.


sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sedziobs on April 24, 2018, 06:25:45 AM
The "target" issue came up a few weeks ago as well, with some debate over what the legal definitions of "target" and "subject" are.

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Trump is not in the clear, but neither are criminal charges necessarily imminent. Trump might never become a target of the investigation, or he could change from subject to target at any time.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/trump-target-subject/557243/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/trump-target-subject/557243/)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on April 24, 2018, 06:02:58 PM
The "target" issue came up a few weeks ago as well, with some debate over what the legal definitions of "target" and "subject" are.

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Trump is not in the clear, but neither are criminal charges necessarily imminent. Trump might never become a target of the investigation, or he could change from subject to target at any time.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/trump-target-subject/557243/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/trump-target-subject/557243/)

Quite right.  Plus another interpretation.  If Mueller is following established DoJ guidance, note that a sitting President can't be indicted by Mueller.  One could argue, then, that a sitting President can *never* be a "target" of investigation, even if such investigation is focused intensely on proving extensive criminal wrongdoing by said President.  If so, said President would only be a "target" upon leaving office. 

Drawing a distinction between target and subject might be mere semantics.  This might all just be misleading to Trump, while being technically accurate.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 24, 2018, 06:56:04 PM
As a follow-on to my earlier post, Trump cannot stop lying about his doings during the 2013 Moscow Miss Universe pageant (when the Pee-Pee Tape was allegedly filmed):

Title: "Flight Records Illuminate Mystery of Trump's Moscow Nights"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-23/flight-records-illuminate-mystery-of-trump-s-moscow-nights

Extract: "President Donald Trump twice gave James Comey an alibi for why a salacious report about the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow couldn’t be true: He never even spent the night in Russia during that trip, Trump told the former FBI director, according to Comey’s memos about the conversations.

Yet the broad timeline of Trump’s stay, stretching from Friday, Nov. 8, 2013, through the following Sunday morning, has been widely reported. And it’s substantiated by social media posts that show he slept in Moscow the night before the Miss Universe contest.

Now, flight records obtained by Bloomberg provide fresh details. Combined with existing accounts and Trump’s own social-media posts, they capture two days that, nearly five years later, loom large in the controversy engulfing the White House and at the heart of the Comey memos, which the Justice Department turned over last week to Congress."

See also the following linked July 13, 2017 article:

Title: "Trump's Two Nights of Parties in Moscow Echo Years Later"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-13/trump-s-two-nights-of-parties-in-moscow-reverberate-years-later

Also per Seth Abramson:
Extract: "Prior to Donald Trump's most recent lie about his 2013 Moscow trip—that he never spent a night in Moscow, a claim made in response to the Comey Memos—the fact is that Trump had lied *repeatedly* about every single aspect of his trip. Major media is only just now taking notice.

First, Trump lied about how long his trip was. Prior to the Russia probe he told a radio host it was a "weekend in Moscow"; as soon as the probe started, he described it as merely a "there-and-back" trip. So he's been lying about how long he was there for well over a year now.

He also claimed Keith Schiller would be able to vouch for his whereabouts on the nights of November 8-9 and November 9-10. In fact, when questioned about the trip by Congress, Schiller said he left Trump's door and had no idea whatsoever what may have happened there afterward.

He also claimed he'd never do anything untoward in a Moscow hotel room—as he had a strict policy against untoward conduct in Russia (due to fears of audio/video surveillance). Then ex-Miss Hungary Kata Sarka revealed Trump propositioned her for sex in his room on November 9th.

He also said there were never any women in his room on either night he was in Moscow. But the BBC has spoken to two witnesses who say they saw a group of women in the Ritz lobby arguing with hotel staff about whether they'd be allowed to go to Trump's room without signing in.

Backchannel, The Guardian told at *least* one journalist it had further info—single-sourced and a step removed from the subject, so not yet formally published—that a female Trump Organization employee told Mueller she saw the same women doing the same thing on the same night.

Trump claimed him being a germaphobe made the Steele dossier allegation impossible. He must've been hoping no one knew what the allegation was, as in fact it didn't include a claim Trump was anywhere near the urine when the women in Trump's room urinated on Obama's former bed.

Trump allowed Emin Agalarov—son of his business partner and Putin developer Aras Agalarov—to go public with an "alibi" for Trump's whereabouts the morning of November 9. Trump knew that alibi didn't cover any of the times the alleged conduct could've occurred—but said nothing.

Trump recently retweeted tweets implying that he had directly, formally, and conclusively asked James Comey to investigate the Ritz Moscow allegations—but Comey's contemporaneous memos confirm Trump said he was "thinking of asking" and then demurred as soon as Comey hesitated.

Trump claimed to Comey "there were no prostitutes—there were never any prostitutes." But Schiller says that a Russian—either Emin Agalarov or Artem Klyushin—offered prostitutes to Trump via Schiller, and that Schiller told Trump of the offer. Trump *hid* this fact for a year.

A pal of Trump entourage-mates Agalarov and Klyushin—who's publicly said he secretly helped Trump win the election—is Konstantin Rykov, who runs one of Moscow's largest, most successful brothels. This bolsters Schiller's account that prostitutes were made available to Trump.

A major media outlet interviewed a Muscovite at the center of the Moscow prostitute scene, and he said the word among Moscow prostitutes was that the infamous "golden shower" had happened. A Moscow sex site lists the Ritz Moscow as a "girl-friendly" hotel (i.e., prostitutes).

Trump's obsession with the claim—he hounded Comey—is what lawyers deem consciousness of guilt, as it was coupled with lies and an acknowledgment it'd be deemed believable (plus, an obsession with the idea the women wouldn't have been hookers because he didn't "need" hookers).

Finally, in January 2017 Paul Wood of the BBC contacted the CIA about the existence of tapes of Trump in a compromising situation in the Ritz Moscow, and the CIA *confirmed* to Wood that such tapes existed *and* that multiple European intel agencies knew of the tapes also."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 24, 2018, 07:03:01 PM
The FBI is still navigating legal minefields associated with Michael Cohen:

Title: "Flipping Cohen against Trump may not be so easy"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/24/cohen-trump-attorney-legal-minefield-546336

Extract: "Secrecy issues make turning a lawyer against a client a legal minefield, experts say"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 24, 2018, 07:43:02 PM
Birds of a feather …
Title: "Hannity-linked shell company bought properties through fraudulent dealer: report"

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/384544-hannity-linked-shell-company-bought-properties-through-fraudulent-dealer

Extract: "A shell company linked to Fox News host Sean Hannity bought properties through a dealer who pleaded guilty to criminal charges in a scheme to fraudulently purchase foreclosed homes, The Guardian reported Tuesday.

The Hannity-linked company had bought 11 homes in Georgia in 2012 that had initially been bought by the property dealer Jeff Brock, according to The Guardian. It added that Brock purchased the foreclosed homes before passing them to another corporation, which sold the properties to the shell company at a profit.

Brock pleaded guilty in 2016 to bank fraud and conspiracy for his part in a scheme to rig auctions for foreclosed homes, the news outlet noted, adding that he was ordered to pay more than $166,000 in fines and restitution and was sentenced to six months in prison over the federal charges."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 24, 2018, 07:53:06 PM
FYI ..... there is a case NOW before the Supreme Court (Lucia v Securities and Exchange Commission) that we need to keep our eye on.

The Lucia case itself is fairly "narrow" in scope....BUT.....Donnie's boys are trying to get it "expanded".  In the coming June....we should know IF the Supreme Court is going to widen the scope.

From The Palmer Report:

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Lucia involves the hiring of administrative judges at the SEC, a minor case in the scheme of things. President Trump’s Solicitor General, Noel Francisco, intervened in the case, seeking an expansive declaration by the Supreme Court regarding the president’s power to fire all “officers of the United States” who “exercise significant authority.” The Supreme Court declined to include the removal question in its grant of certiorari, but Francisco Francisco (who would oversee the Mueller probe if Rosenstein were fired) briefed the issue anyway- and asked the Supreme Court to give him time to argue because “only the government has addressed in its brief the merits of the removal question.”

Keep your eyes open.  Remember....Donnie wants what Vladimir already has.  And he has to get rid of the Mueller investigation.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/PalmerReport/posts/
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 25, 2018, 04:13:03 AM
Cohen is balancing on a knifes edge between keeping up a 'good fight' and giving in to the mounting pressure.  Maybe his mounting legal expenses will force him to end his legal relationship with Trump so that he can cut plea deals with the FBI:

Title: "“He Wants to Fight This”: Michael Cohen, Amid Bewildering Stormy Chaos, Is Still Holding Out Hope for Survival"

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/04/michael-cohen-fight

Extract: "According to people close to Cohen, the president’s former personal attorney oscillates between moments of dark brooding and optimistic survivalism. “He’s on the edge of his seat,” says one person familiar with his thinking."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on April 25, 2018, 08:02:58 AM
We know Page was FBI informant. Was Manafort or Gates  ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/manafort-interviewed-twice-by-fbi-before-joining-trumps-2016-campaign-new-documents-show/2018/04/24/bcf88ac6-47cc-11e8-827e-190efaf1f1ee_story.html

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 25, 2018, 09:16:52 PM
Even the 'quants' think that Trump's presidency is at risk from the Mueller investigation:

Title: "The Mueller Risk Index: The newest way for Wall Street to navigate how much to freak out about the Russia investigation"

http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-risk-index-wall-street-trump-russia-political-risk-2018-4

Extract:
•   As Donald Trump's presidency unfolds, one firm is spearheading a new barometer to gauge what's going on in Washington.

•   They call it the Mueller Risk Index.

•   The index measures political risk to the Trump administration, and the market's resulting reaction, from developments in the special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation.
   
•   A string of bombshell developments over the last month have led to a surge in the index.
   
•   GeoQuant, the political risk consulting firm that developed the index, found that in the two days following an increase in the index, equity markets tend to decline and the dollar tends to rally.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 25, 2018, 09:35:20 PM
While the Mueller investigation is a legal matter, whether Trump is removed from office prior to 2020 likely depends on the politics of the coming mid-term Senate races, and the Democrats are awash in campaign contributions:

Title: "Trump's election nightmare: losing the Senate"

https://www.axios.com/2018-midterms-republicans-democrats-senate-2cd4cadf-77a5-42dd-9a29-829429aad9ad.html

Extract: "Top Republicans have conceded for months that they're likely lose the House in November's midterms. But some well-wired operatives now tell Axios that President Trump may face his real nightmare: losing the Senate, giving Democrats both ends of the Capitol, and one-third of the government.

Why it matters: It's not just that Democratic dominance at the Capitol would speed impeachment proceedings and trap the White House in a thicket of oversight probes and hearings. Twin losses would be a massive repudiation of Trump and his brand of Republicanism, just as he embarks on his reelection.

A killer data point, from the N.Y. Times: Republicans have underperformed in every special election since Trump became president."

See also:

http://cookpolitical.com/ratings/senate-race-ratings
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Susan Anderson on April 25, 2018, 10:10:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSvFnTNgSjk
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 25, 2018, 10:12:31 PM
I believe that Mueller has already interviewed Sarka, and her testimony could place Trump in Moscow when the Pee Pee Tape was allegedly made:

Title: "Former Miss Hungary Kata Sarka Claims Donald Trump Invited Her Back to His Moscow Hotel Room in 2013"

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/miss-hungary-trump-invited-me-back-to-his-moscow-hotel-room-w461160/
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 25, 2018, 10:17:13 PM
While the Mueller investigation is a legal matter, whether Trump is removed from office prior to 2020 likely depends on the politics of the coming mid-term Senate races, and the Democrats are awash in campaign contributions:

Title: "Trump's election nightmare: losing the Senate"

https://www.axios.com/2018-midterms-republicans-democrats-senate-2cd4cadf-77a5-42dd-9a29-829429aad9ad.html

Extract: "Top Republicans have conceded for months that they're likely lose the House in November's midterms. But some well-wired operatives now tell Axios that President Trump may face his real nightmare: losing the Senate, giving Democrats both ends of the Capitol, and one-third of the government.

Why it matters: It's not just that Democratic dominance at the Capitol would speed impeachment proceedings and trap the White House in a thicket of oversight probes and hearings. Twin losses would be a massive repudiation of Trump and his brand of Republicanism, just as he embarks on his reelection.

A killer data point, from the N.Y. Times: Republicans have underperformed in every special election since Trump became president."

See also:

http://cookpolitical.com/ratings/senate-race-ratings

While the Cook Political senate race ratings link shows the race for Bob Corker's TN Senate seat as a toss-up, the linked article states that a recent polls indicates that the Democrat candidate currently holds a 3% lead:

Title: "Poll: Dem leads by 3 points in Tennessee Senate race"

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/384763-poll-dem-leads-by-3-points-in-tennessee-senate-race

Title: "Democrat Phil Bredesen holds a slim lead over Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R) in Tennessee's Senate race to replace retiring Sen. Bob Corker (R), according to a new poll out Wednesday."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on April 25, 2018, 10:28:14 PM
"Even the 'quants' think that Trump's presidency is at risk ..."

These would be the same quants who swore up and down the housing market wasn't in a bubble in 2008 ?
Or that a CLO poses no risk at all today because clearly a collateralized loan obligation is completely different from a collateralized debt obligation? Or that the auto loan market is solid? Or that student loans will be repaid ?

Right. I will go right out and buy slices of the rental CLOs and auto and student loans. Or I could just burn the cash on a nice warm bonfire. Decisions, decisions.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 26, 2018, 12:24:01 AM
These would be the same quants who swore up and down the housing market wasn't in a bubble in 2008 ?

If the GOP loses control of the Senate, that would include quants working for Mitchell McConnell's replacement:

Title: "Could A Blue Wave Really Make Its Way To Texas?"

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-does-it-take-to-flip-a-state-from-red-to-blue-or-blue-to-red/

Extract: "To close, I’ll reveal my read: I think Texas is gonna flip — or come damn close."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on April 26, 2018, 02:08:24 AM
thehill reporting Cohen to take the fifth in Stormy Daniels/Stephanie Clifford civil lawsuit " ... due to the ongoing criminal investigation ... "

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/384915-cohen-to-plead-the-fifth-in-stormy-daniels-lawsuit

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on April 26, 2018, 02:12:40 AM
Now this is funny: I can just see the judge's face

http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/384924-trump-offers-to-personally-review-documents-in-cohen-case-report

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 26, 2018, 03:03:59 AM
Trump's approval rating is slipping:

Title: "Trump approval rating drops to 39 percent: poll"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-approval-rating-drops-to-39-percent-poll/ar-AAwkHz2?ocid=spartandhp

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on April 26, 2018, 07:27:03 AM
Trump's approval rating is slipping:

Title: "Trump approval rating drops to 39 percent: poll"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-approval-rating-drops-to-39-percent-poll/ar-AAwkHz2?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-approval-rating-drops-to-39-percent-poll/ar-AAwkHz2?ocid=spartandhp)

The five thirty eight polls disagree.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/

They're showing Trump at 41.9%, an improvement from the 39.5% he was polling at the end of last year, among the likely voters.

They also show the Democrats lead over Republicans having slipped from a 12.9% advantage last year to today's 6.9% lead. With the Gerrymandering now in place for the 2018 contest this leaves many seats "up for grabs".

We need to win back a large number of the 1,000 seats we've lost in the recent elections or the 2020 election will be difficult for us because of the additional Gerrymandering that the 2020 census will allow.

I'm not sure how this subject ended up in this thread. It belongs in the Presidential Poll, or possibly the Corporate Democrats thread.
Terry


Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 26, 2018, 03:47:27 PM
By the way.....

NO WAY IN HELL THAT TRAITOR DON SITS DOWN WITH MUELLER.  NO WAY

Cohen is taking the 5th, and so will Donnie.  He has to....  Either that, or lie to Mueller.  And by now, Donnie knows that Mueller has him "by the short hairs."

Mueller will likely have to subpoena Donnie ..... and Donnie will take the 5th.  The only way that doesn't happen, is if Donnie figures out a way to get rid of Mueller.

Donnie really is in DEEP SHIT....without much of a paddle to speak of.  Meanwhile ...... his poor excuse for an administration is unraveling around him...  I'm sure glad Hillary isn't in there. ;)






Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on April 26, 2018, 05:16:49 PM
I'm sure glad Hillary isn't in there. ;)

And well you should, unless you want to completely lose the House, Senate and then the presidency in 2020. 1000 seats lost not enough?

Keep thinking like this and they will force another Hillary onto you two years from now.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: litesong on April 26, 2018, 05:35:56 PM
By the way.....

NO WAY IN HELL THAT TRAITOR DON SITS DOWN WITH MUELLER.  NO WAY

Cohen is taking the 5th, and so will Donnie.  He has to....  Either that, or lie to Mueller.  And by now, Donnie knows that Mueller has him "by the short hairs."

Mueller will likely have to subpoena Donnie ..... and Donnie will take the 5th.  The only way that doesn't happen, is if Donnie figures out a way to get rid of Mueller.

Donnie really is in DEEP SHIT....without much of a paddle to speak of.  Meanwhile ...... his poor excuse for an administration is unraveling around him... 
I agree with you.... 'cept Don Trump is really "don'T rump". His name told us not to vote for him. 
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: litesong on April 26, 2018, 05:45:13 PM
Keep thinking like this and they will force another Hillary onto you two years from now.
Hillary won by almost 3 milllion votes. Efforts to rid ourselves of the undemocratic & suppressionist Electoral College have been opposed by the equally undemocratic & suppressionist re-pubic-lick-un party.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 26, 2018, 05:53:04 PM
Quote
And well you should, unless you want to completely lose the House, Senate and then the presidency in 2020. 1000 seats lost not enough?

1)  There are only 435 members in the US House of Reps.  If the Dems lose 1,000 ..... they surely would be in trouble.  There's another 100 Senators.

2)  I'm an Independent.  By "you" ..... I assume you mean ME (Buddy).  "I'm" not going to lose the House (nor am I going to "win" the House).  I think the US "wins" by voting in the better candidate.  We LOSE.....by voting in the WORST candidate(s).  With Trump .....WE DEFINITELY LOST..... as evidenced by what Donnie has done AND not done.

Quote
Keep thinking like this and they will force another Hillary onto you two years from now.

Hopefully we won't see another Hillary NOR another Donnie in quite a while.  At some point down the road ...... maybe another 50 years ..... we'll find two people like that (a BAD candidate AND a HORRIBLE candidate).  But I don't see that happening in the next few decades at least.

And Donnie ......well..... my pal Donnie has set a low standard that a even a snake couldn't slither under.  That bar is on the ground....  Nobody is going to break his record of incompetence, and its only been 15 months.  Incredible.....
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 26, 2018, 06:59:18 PM
If Cohen only performs 'a tiny, tiny little fraction' of Trump's overall legal work, then the materials that the FBI seized from Cohen 'are unlikely to contain may attorney-client communications':

Title: "Prosecutors seize on Trump interview remarks in Cohen documents fight"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/26/trump-cohen-remarks-fox-prosecutors-555793

Extract: "During a freewheeling interview on "Fox and Friends," Trump said Cohen was just one of many attorneys who have worked for him.

Less than three hours later, prosecutors from the U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan cited the president's remarks as an indication that paper records and electronic files taken from Cohen's home, office and hotel room are unlikely to contain many attorney-client communications.

"President Trump reportedly said on cable television this morning that Cohen performs 'a tiny, tiny little fraction' of his overall legal work," prosecutors said in a letter to U.S. District Court Judge Kimba Wood. The prosecution team also noted that another Cohen client, Fox News host Sean Hannity, also minimized the volume of legal work Cohen did for him."

See also:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/26/trumps-unwieldy-fox-and-friends-interview-annotated/?utm_term=.4cc9d314ce5f
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 26, 2018, 07:46:03 PM
The process continues.  When you have an egotistical liar ..... who surrounds himself by incompetent liars .... bad things are going to continue to happen.

Whether you are talking about a business..... or a political administration .... it doesn't matter.  You have the same outcome.  BAD.

And it IS a process.  Remember the good ole' days when people thought it (RussiaGate) was all "smoke and mirrors"?  From those early days .... the process has continued of news developments out of what used to be just "many many dots" that needed to be connected.  Well.... that connection of all of those dots continues.  And they continue to connect.

Now.... we're at a point where I expect the public support for Traitor Don to continue deteriorate. .... as well as his support in the Congress.  As I said before, it will be a SLOWWWW process.  But day by day.... blunder by blunder..... Donnie will continue to dig his grave.  As well as the grave of MANY MANY others....

What will the Republicans running for office this November be thinking this summer (June, July, August) as news continues to come out ...... and poll numbers continue to worsen SLOWLY.  What happens if Ted Cruz, instead of being up by 3% is behind by 3% in another few months?

Waiter ...... MORE POPCORN AND BEER.... :)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on April 26, 2018, 09:00:44 PM
Special master appointed in Cohen case:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-cohen/u-s-judge-rules-seized-trump-lawyer-documents-to-be-independently-reviewed-idUSKBN1HX1AB

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 26, 2018, 11:55:08 PM
Avenatti is happy that Trump can't keep his story straight about the Daniels NDA:

Title: "Michael Avenatti: Trump Made ‘Hugely Damaging Admission’ That Michael Cohen Represented Him In Stormy Daniels Case"

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-admission-michael-cohen-michael-avenatti-902285

Extract: ""Hugely damaging admission by the president because according to what he said on Air Force One a few weeks ago, he didn’t know anything about the agreement, he didn’t know anything about the payment, Michael Cohen went off did this on lark and Mr. Trump knew nothing about it.”

Daniels’s lawyer concluded, “We now find out that that’s bogus.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Susan Anderson on April 27, 2018, 01:25:01 AM
You guys are really clueless:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vYVDPbL_EA
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on April 27, 2018, 01:52:42 AM
^Ramen^


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 27, 2018, 05:08:58 PM
It makes perfect sense that Cohen needed to get a home mortgage to pay Daniels $130,000; but that he could loan a taxi mogul $26 million just before the election, because, as he admits, he is a member of the Russian Mafia:

Title: "AP: Cohen loaned taxi mogul $26 million before election"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385141-ap-cohen-loaned-taxi-mogul-26-million-before-election

Extract: "President Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen and Cohen's father-in-law reportedly loaned at least $26 million in recent years to a taxi mogul who is shifting his business to selling legal marijuana, The Associated Press reports."

&

Title: "Michael Cohen once reportedly bragged that he was part of the Russian mob"

http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-bragged-about-being-part-of-russian-mob-2018-4

Extract: "Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's longtime personal lawyer, reportedly bragged to a guest at a wedding he attended that he was part of the Russian mob."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 27, 2018, 05:13:41 PM
Politically speaking (w.r.t. a blue wave in November 2018), when Cohen pleas the Fifth Amendment the majority of American voters will assume that Trump's lawyer is trying to hide criminal activities:

Title: "Michael Cohen: Trump's lawyer to plead Fifth Amendment in Daniels case"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43904999

Extract: "Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, has said he will invoke his constitutional right to remain silent in a civil case brought by adult film actress Stormy Daniels."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 27, 2018, 05:24:48 PM
While the fact that Natalya Veselnitskaya has close ties to the Kremlin comes as no surprise to those paying attention; nevertheless, with the mid-term elections coming it is good to get such 'news' out to mainstream America:

Title: "Lawyer in Trump Tower meeting admits to being informant for Moscow"

https://www.axios.com/russian-lawyer-natalya-veselnitskaya-trump-tower-russia-informant-a49a4eb4-6116-4978-8268-b064e6fbfd6c.html

Extract: "Natalya Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who met with top Trump campaign officials at Trump Tower in 2016, admitted to being an informant for a top Kremlin official, reports the New York Times.

Why it matters: Veselnitskaya previously denied having ties to Russia’s government and insisted she was a private attorney. The revelation now raises questions about who she was working for when she met with Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, and Jared Kushner in 2016. The meeting is a focus of Special Counsel Bob Mueller's investigation."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 27, 2018, 07:05:08 PM
Because the House Intelligence Committee was not investigating collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, it is not surprising that the House Republicans' report did not find evidence of such collusion (legally conspiracy).  Nevertheless, the GOP report did cite evidence that Michael Flynn & his son met with Sergey Kislyak in early December 2015 just before Flynn joined the Trump campaign.  I imagine that Mueller already knows this, but it is good for the American voters to find out before they decide who to vote for in the mid-term elections:

Title: "BOMBSHELL: GOP Report Says Mike Flynn Went to Infamous Russian Spymaster’s House in 2015 For ‘Very Productive’ Meeting"

https://www.alternet.org/bombshell-gop-report-says-mike-flynn-went-infamous-russian-spymasters-house-2015-very-productive
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 27, 2018, 07:28:21 PM
Manafort was just stalling by filling this frivolous civil lawsuit that the judge rejected, thus Mueller will continue his investigation and prosecution of Manafort:

Title: "Manafort loses effort to challenge Mueller's authority in civil court"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/politics/paul-manafort-robert-mueller/index.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 28, 2018, 12:14:27 AM
The timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 election and of Trump campaign-Russian meeting; are so extensive that they fill-up to complete Wikipedia websites:

Title: "Timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

&

Title: "Trump campaign–Russian meetings"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_campaign%E2%80%93Russian_meetings
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 28, 2018, 04:25:58 AM
Adam Schiff has provided a good clue for Mueller to pursue about a call that Don Jr. made just before the Trump Tower meeting.  Does anyone suspect that Don Jr. might have called his father?

Title: "The new House GOP report on Russia is revealing. But not in a good way for Trump."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/04/27/the-new-house-gop-report-on-russia-is-revealing-but-not-in-a-good-way-for-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b05bebb20ec3

Extract: "By contrast, there may be real news in the Democrats’ response to the report. In particular, the Democrats detailed new information that appears to shed light on what Republicans would not do in their investigation.

The response by Democrats makes this important charge: That Republicans refused to follow up on a lead that could have demonstrated whether, despite his denials, Trump had advance knowledge of the now-infamous Trump Tower meeting in June 2016 between a group of Russians and Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort.

During an interview with us today, Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), the committee’s ranking member, expanded on this claim.
...
According to the Democratic response, right after Trump Jr. set up the specifics of the meeting, he had two calls with a number in Russia belonging to Emin Agalarov. Between those two calls, the Democratic response recounts, Trump Jr. received a third call from a blocked number. Who might it have been?

Democrats wanted to find out, but Republicans blocked it from happening, according to the Democrats’ response.

“We sought to determine whether that number belonged to the president, because we also ascertained that then-candidate Trump used a blocked number,” Schiff said during our interview. “That would tell us whether Don Jr. sought his father’s permission to take the meeting, and [whether] that was the purpose of that call.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on April 28, 2018, 05:38:39 AM
Any reply I'd make would probably be a better fit in the "Dems blow the election again" thread.

The 2016 debacle isn't really anything that Democrats want to bring up with an election on the horizon. With only 25% of Americans holding a favorable impression of Hillary, most voters are jeering, not cheering.

https://www.onenewsnow.com/politics-govt/2018/04/19/poll-hillarys-approval-at-25-she-blames-sexism

If Mueller's minions must continue with this fiasco, doing it with as little fanfare as possible would be best for those Democrats that seem unable to get back on track and into campaign mode.
Droning on about how the Russians saved the nation from someone with Hillary's favorables won't play in Peoria, or any other local where the deplorables hold forth. They aren't discussing Mueller's latest gambit, they're wondering why no one is talking about health care, good jobs, or free education.

Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on April 28, 2018, 06:32:05 AM
"Because the House Intelligence Committee was not investigating collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign ..."

That's a fine line to draw.  Here is language from the house intelligence committee report

" ... an investigation in January 2017 with the mandate to examine ... 2) whether the Russian active measures include links between Russia and individuals associated with presidential campaigns "

I suppose you could argue that the term "individuals associated with presidential campaigns" is not the same as "Trump campaign" but that's a tough nut to defend.

That said, i agree with Clemens that there is no professional criminal class in the USA other than Congress and they lie lower than snake's bellies in wagon ruts; so as such, this report must be taken with some skepticism. But it accords with other reports that the Trump campaign was the gang that couldn't shoot straight, couldn't find their own asshole with a mirror and a pack of hunting dogs. I'll believe that the Russians dangled sumpn but that the campaign was too inept to either recognize the bait or defend against it.   

Their opposition screwed up massively, they lucked into the presidency, and they're kinda like the dog that caught the car.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 28, 2018, 12:39:09 PM
Delaying Stormy Daniels' civil lawsuit against Trump and Cohen by 90-day would move the deposition of these two key players closer to the mid-term election; which is good news for a blue wave:

Title: "Judge Delays Stormy Daniels' Lawsuit Against Trump, Lawyer Michael Cohen"

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/27/606657506/judge-delays-stormy-daniels-lawsuit-against-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen

Extract: "A federal judge in Los Angeles says the Stormy Daniels civil lawsuit against President Trump and his attorney Michael Cohen will take a 90-day break while events play out in a criminal investigation in New York.

As we have reported, Cohen has said he would invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in the Daniels lawsuit because of the related criminal inquiry in New York. FBI agents working on that probe raided Cohen's home and office looking for documents related to the Daniels nondisclosure agreement."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 28, 2018, 12:59:43 PM
I suppose you could argue that the term "individuals associated with presidential campaigns" is not the same as "Trump campaign" but that's a tough nut to defend.

I think that it is very clear that the Nunes led House Intel. GOP report is nothing more than a hack job in a political hail Mary attempt to give Trump cover for firing Mueller.  We all need to remember that Mueller is running a professional grade of investigation (rather than a hack job) and that Mueller already has testimony from Flynn, Gates, Papadopoulos, etc, and that no matter how much word play the House Intel. GOP report engages in; no one should believe that there was no collusion until the Mueller investigation has been completed and his report made public:

Title: "The House Republican Russia Report Is Nothing But a Hack Job"

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a20088918/house-republican-russia-report-hack/

Extract: "But will it be used as fuel to fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller?"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on April 28, 2018, 04:07:16 PM


If Mueller's minions must continue with this fiasco, doing it with as little fanfare as possible would be best for those Democrats that seem unable to get back on track and into campaign mode.
Droning on about how the Russians saved the nation from someone with Hillary's favorables won't play in Peoria, or any other local where the deplorables hold forth. They aren't discussing Mueller's latest gambit, they're wondering why no one is talking about health care, good jobs, or free education.
Terry

Mueller's team is doing the job with as little fanfare as possible.  Essentially zero leaks, no press conferences, just a sequence of indictments, to be followed by a report.

Democrats and progressives aren't just paying attention to Watergate, assertive efforts are being undertaken across a range of interests--mostly to oppose the initiatives of the Trumpkins.

I think your beef is with the press.  Criminal investigations with the potential to put some of the high and mighty into prison are of interest, so they gets covered.  Journalistic click-bait.  Most of the existing press is superficial and vapid, on all subjects.  Left, right, and center--most of it is vapid.

Everybody who cares about anything that is complex but important has exactly the same type of feeling about the press and popular culture.  Climate change, overfishing, wealth inequality, loss of native languages, scientific advances, whatever.  Nothing in depth gets presented to most consumers of the press, there's no market in it.  I think your beef is essentially the corrosive effect of capitalism on culture and society.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 28, 2018, 07:47:55 PM
Democrats and progressives aren't just paying attention to Watergate, assertive efforts are being undertaken across a range of interests--mostly to oppose the initiatives of the Trumpkins.

Trumpkins in Congress are trying to pervert democracy, and thus if Mueller is going to be given a chance to complete his work, then during the mid-term election the Democrats must field candidates that will stand-up to Trump without compromise.

Title: "The dramatic rise of the Democratic resistance"

https://www.axios.com/democratic-voters-dont-want-compromise-with-republicans-eff1d99a-0a2d-475d-934d-47097e4e216b.html

Extract: "Democratic voters have become much less open to compromise with Republicans under President Trump, according to a Pew Research Center survey.

The dramatic shift in Democrats' support for compromise — from 69% last July to just 44% now — reflects the party's growing progressive base. They want to stand up to Trump and stick to their liberal views, even if it's against their moderate colleagues.
...
"In this type of climate, it’s less about who you are and more about why you’re running and your willingness to stand up to Trump," said Zac McCrary, a Democratic pollster who has worked with congressional races across the country. "Democratic voters want to know their candidate gets it and is going to be a very active watchdog on Trump.""

Edit: Unless Trump knows that the Russians will undermine the 2018 mid-term elections, his optimism may undermine the GOP's midterm strategy.

Title: "Trump’s Role in Midterm Elections Roils Republicans"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump’s-role-in-midterm-elections-roils-republicans/ar-AAwsVmV?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "President Trump is privately rejecting the growing consensus among Republican leaders that they may lose the House and possibly the Senate in November, leaving party officials and the president’s advisers nervous that he does not grasp the gravity of the threat they face in the midterm elections.

Congressional and party leaders and even some Trump aides are concerned that the president’s boundless self-assurance about politics will cause him to ignore or undermine their midterm strategy. In battleground states like Arizona, Florida and Nevada, Mr. Trump’s proclivity to be a loose cannon could endanger the Republican incumbents and challengers who are already facing ferocious Democratic headwinds."

Also, I note that the House Intel. Committee Majority (GOP) report on Russian interference in the 2016 election makes it clear that the Democrats must rally political support to fight Trumpkins if we want democracy to withstand Trump's assaults on the rule of law.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on April 28, 2018, 11:12:07 PM
Well I'm certainly relieved to hear that there is a "growing progressive base" within the Democratic party.
The progressive candidates and pundits I've noticed seem very disinterested in Muellers investigations and very interested in what the DNC and the DCCC are doing during this primary season. Other than urging Mrs. Clinton to go away and keep quiet they don't speak much of her or the Russians.
The struggle is for relief from the Corporate stranglehold that the party has been under for decades. The only value that the election of 2016 has to a progressive democrat, is as an example of just how badly progressive values can be crushed when the Corporatists have been put in charge.


Progressives didn't lose that election. Russians didn't cost us that election. Corporate Democrats were in charge, and they are the ones that need to be acknowledged as a malignant force that needs to be excised before progress is possible.


Hillary was the corporate candidate - she lost.
Pelosi and DiFi are corporate shills - they need to go.
Putin couldn't get the dog catcher in Fresno elected - get a life.
Trump is going to kick your ass in 2020 if you don't win a whole bunch of state seats in 2018.


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 29, 2018, 11:11:40 AM
Of course Sessions knew about back channel contacts between Putin and the 2016 Trump Campaign via the NRA; and both Rosenstein and Mueller are fully aware of this fact, and some day Sessions will need to testify to this fact in court.

Title: "Was Jeff Sessions Aware of a Proposed Trump-Putin Back Channel?"

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/jeff-sessions-back-channel-trump-putin-w519652

Extract: "New details from the House Intelligence Committee suggest the attorney general was privy to a critical episode of the NRA-Russia scandal."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 29, 2018, 07:46:58 PM
You couldn't make this stuff up:

Title: "Fedor Emelianenko questioned by FBI for links to Trump, Cohen"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/fedor-emelianenko-questioned-by-fbi-for-links-to-trump-cohen/ar-AAwuTqs?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "Fedor Emelianenko, arguably the greatest MMA fighter of all time, was questioned at his hotel room this past Tuesday by the FBI in regards to his connections to U.S. President Donald Trump, Russian President Vladimir Putin, and Trump’s attorney Michael Cohen. The contents of that discussion was not disclosed by Emelianenko’s manager, Jerry Millen.

FBI agents were also in attendance for Emelianenko’s Saturday night heavyweight bout for Bellator against Frank Mir.

Emelianenko’s connection to Trump dates back to 2008, when Emelianenko headlined two events for Affliction Entertainment MMA, a promotion in which Trump held an ownership stake. The promotion folded after those two events. Michael Cohen was listed as the Chief Operating Officer of Affliction’s MMA division.

As a Russian celebrity, Emelianenko has been photographed with Putin on several occasions."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 30, 2018, 05:00:00 PM
Traitor Donnie is now moving into the "throw Michael under the bus" phase.  Donnie is having his pal at the Enquirer start it off:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/04/28/natl-enquirer-scoops-trump-aces-polygraph-cohen-role-questioned/561742002/

So now Donnie has to move from semi-supporting Michael ...... to running him over.  Donnie KNOWS he is toast WHEN Michael talks to the feds.  And now his only hope is a political one.

Donnies last movement of his ever-moving goal posts will eventually be:  OK ..... we did communicate with the Russians and some of my people worked with them ..... BUT ..... look at all the good things I am doing.  Wasn't that worth it.?"  That won't come for several months ..... but mark my words .... THAT IS COMING.

Remember..... the RNC, NRA, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Ronna Romney (Mitt's niece and current head of the RNC), and MANY MANY OTHERS are involved to varying degrees in either the actual "working with the Russians" ....... OR ...."KNOWLEDGE of the things that were going down AT THE TIME" .....OR ..... in the cover up of what happened.

A LOT OF FOLKS ......
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on April 30, 2018, 08:02:31 PM
Trump campaign has paid portions of Michael Cohen's legal fees: Sources


We probably won't know for SURE whether or not Donald is throwing Michael Cohen under the bus for a few more weeks.  Perhaps up till this weekend ...... Donnie may have been trying to support Michael (both financially AND emotionally).  The payments this article talks about are for the first 3 months of this year.  We should know in another month or so whether Donnie's campaign is trying to help out Michael, or whether they have "cut him loose" and continue to run over him ..... without giving any financial aid.

Quote
The Trump campaign has spent nearly $228,000 to cover some of the legal expenses for President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen, sources familiar with the payments tell ABC News, raising questions about whether the Trump campaign may have violated campaign finance laws.

Federal Election Commission records show three payments made from the Trump campaign to a firm representing Cohen. The “legal consulting” payments were made to McDermott Will and Emery — a law firm where Cohen's attorney Stephen Ryan is a partner — between October 2017 and January 2018.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaign-paid-portions-michael-cohens-legal-fees/story?id=54831269
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 30, 2018, 09:19:21 PM
More revelations of evidence of Trump's actions to obstruct justice:

Title: "New Evidence of Obstruction of Justice in House Intelligence Committee Minority Report"

https://www.justsecurity.org/55479/evidence-obstruction-justice-house-minority-intelligence-committee-report/

Extract: "The Minority report contains information that adds to the substantive allegations of obstruction, and also to the range of corroborating evidence.

One of the most important revelations is that the FBI General Counsel and FBI Director’s chief of staff listened in on James Comey’s side of at least some phone conversations with the president, in which Mr. Trump reportedly engaged in efforts to alter the course of the Russia investigation. As the Minority report states, “(Jim) Rybicki and Baker also heard Comey’s side of phone conversations with the President, in real time.” It is, however, not clear which particular phone conversations with the president they were able to hear in this manner. Comey testified to Congress that he had six separate phone conversations with Trump.

Both the FBI Director and Deputy Director interpreted one of the president’s phone calls as threatening Comey if he did not lift the cloud of the Russia investigation. In a phone conversation on April 11, Trump said he wanted Comey to lift the cloud, “because I have been very loyal to you, very loyal; we had that thing you know,” according to Comey’s written testimony and contemporaneous memo. But why would the president refer to his loyalty to Comey rather than Comey’s “honest loyalty” to the president?"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 30, 2018, 09:28:29 PM
It should not become socially acceptable for POTUS to defame citizens without legal consequences:

Title: "Stormy Daniels sues Trump for defamation"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385517-stormy-daniels-sues-trump-for-defamation

Extract: "Adult-film star Stormy Daniels has filed a defamation suit against President Trump in addition to her ongoing one against his personal attorney, Michael Cohen.

Daniels's lawyer, Michael Avenatti, tweeted Monday that his client has filed the lawsuit for Trump's "irresponsible and defamatory statements" about Daniels, whom Cohen paid $130,000 as part of a nondisclosure agreement weeks before the 2016 election.

The complaint alleges that Trump's tweets mocking Daniels over a forensic sketch of a man she says threatened her to keep quiet about her claims of an affair with the president amount to defamation because they accuse her of fabricating the alleged crime, which would itself be illegal."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on April 30, 2018, 10:09:24 PM
Does working as a "Porn Star" qualify a person as a public figure?
If so it's going to be hard to make a defamation charge stick.
Otherwise think of the problems that our Buddy would be in.  8)
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 30, 2018, 10:22:34 PM
The GOP has lost its legislative focus, and consequently they (& particularly GOP Senators like Ted Cruz) may pay the price of Republican voter lethargy come November:

Title: "Nervous Republicans to Congress: Do something"

https://www.axios.com/why-climate-change-cant-escape-washingtons-backburner-57cf106f-93f2-47dd-8b59-9450268fda4a.html

Extract: "Some Republicans, antsy about the energy on the left heading into midterms, say Congress needs to pass more conservative legislation this year to bolster the case for why voters should keep the GOP in office.

The catch: They can't agree what it should be. Maybe conservative priorities like regulatory reform or spending cuts, maybe something pragmatic like infrastructure reform. If they can't figure it out, conservative voters could get disenchanted and stay home in November ¬— costing Republicans the House and maybe even the Senate.

 “We need some more wins, first of all because that’s the right thing to do, second of all, because it’s politically expedient to our base to turn out in the fall, to make sure they see us being active and following through on this stuff.”

— Republican Study Committee Chairman Mark Walker"

See also:

Title: "GOP senators are freaking out about midterms because they realize they’ve done almost nothing for two years"

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/gop-senators-freaking-midterms-realize-theyve-done-almost-nothing-two-years/

Extract: "An Axios report Monday noted that the party can’t manage to agree on what any of the legislation should be. It warns that if they aren’t able to pass anything that leaves conservatives inspired, their voters might not come out for the 2018 midterm elections. Given the results of the recent special elections, that could spell disaster for the House and Senate Republicans up for election in November."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on April 30, 2018, 11:14:08 PM
Is the Trump campaign violating campaign finance laws by contributing to Cohen's legal defense?  Furthermore, is Trump engaging in witness tampering to try to prevent Cohen from flipping on him?

Title: "Trump campaign has paid portions of Michael Cohen's legal fees: Sources"

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaign-paid-portions-michael-cohens-legal-fees/story?id=54831269

Extract: "The Trump campaign has spent nearly $228,000 to cover some of the legal expenses for President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen, sources familiar with the payments tell ABC News, raising questions about whether the Trump campaign may have violated campaign finance laws."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 01, 2018, 03:41:56 PM
So the leaked list of questions was given by Mueller to John Dowd last March, and was partially leaked to the NYTs now.  I wouldn't be surprised if Team Trump leaked the list so that they could express outrage at the elitist establishment's (deep state's) nefarious machinations:

Title: "What Robert Mueller Reportedly Wants To Ask Donald Trump"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robert-mueller-questions-for-trump_us_5ae7bc27e4b04aa23f264b21

Extract: "The questions obtained by the Times are said to be the result of months of negotiations between the special counsel and Trump’s squadron of lawyers. The Times noted that the back and forth led to Mueller providing his ideal list to Trump’s former lead lawyer in the Russia inquiry, John Dowd, in March.

Dowd, who had urged Trump to reject any request for an interview in the investigation, was reportedly even more wary about a meeting after seeing the list. But the lawyer resigned later in March amid reports that his relationship with the president had frayed and that Trump planned to ignore his advice."

Edit: I note that if it turn's out that Team Trump (say by Rudy Giuliani) did leak Mueller's questions, then that would constitute obstruction of justice.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 01, 2018, 03:53:53 PM
Has Trump been Putin's puppet for decades?  Hopefully, Mueller can get to the bottom of this:

Title: "Filmmakers of ‘Active Measures’ Documentary Assert Donald Trump Has Been Putin’s Puppet for Decades"

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/active-measures-documentary-trum-russians-1202790665/

Extract: " Watching Jack Bryan’s explosive documentary “Active Measures,” about Russia’s espionage program and the effect it had on the 2016 U.S. presidential election, could be likened to watching a 21st century version of Watergate.

The film, debuting at Hot Docs film festival in Toronto Monday, features archival footage and a bevy of interviews with key Washington figures including former CIA director James Woolsey, former United States Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul, former F.B.I. special agent Clint Watts, Hillary Clinton and John McCain. Via these interviews “Active Measures” constructs a powerful argument as to how Soviet modern warfare tactics – “active measures” — shifted the 2016 U.S. presidential elections and weakened Western democracy. The film also meticulously documents Trump’s problematic financial relationship with the Russian oligarchy that began decades ago."

For a trailer, see also:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hv4w6
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 01, 2018, 04:05:31 PM
There are 3 people/groups that I would NOT WANT to be on the "other side" working against:

1) Parkland High School students
2)  Michael Avenatti
3)  Robert Mueller

Unfortunately..... Traitor Trump is working against ALL 3 in some form or another.

And the truth NEVER GOES AWAY Donnie...... 

 
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 01, 2018, 04:50:18 PM
As a follow-on to one of my earlier posts on this subject, I note that presumably Mueller would never give Team Trump a list of advance questions unless Mueller already knew the answer to those questions.  If so, then based on Mueller's March list of preliminary questions, Trump could soon be in trouble on topics ranging from Russian meddling to obstruction of justice to Trump's conduct while in office:

Title: "Robert Mueller's questions for Trump"

https://www.axios.com/russia-investigation-robert-mueller-questions-for-trump-18e2e3da-0584-41c4-b010-fa8b78e246a2.html

Extract: "The questions, which reveal that Mueller is interested in learning more about Trump's ties with Russia, his relationship with his advisers and family, and the motivation behind some of his controversial tweets, offer one of the closest looks yet into Mueller's thinking. They also show that the investigation has expanded beyond Russian meddling and potential obstruction of justice to include the president’s conduct in office."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 01, 2018, 05:38:25 PM
Cohen takes fifth, gets 90 day stay in Stormy civil suit in LA. Avenatti says he may appeal.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/27/trump-stormy-daniels-case-delay-558294

sidd


Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 01, 2018, 05:48:26 PM
Former Mueller assistant, Michael Zeldin, suspects that the questions 'leaked' to the NYTs did not come from Mueller but rather came from notes taken by recipients of a conversation with Mueller's office, and that the 'questions' only covered introductory topics and that Mueller's investigation will not end any time soon.

The NYTs said that the 'questions' came from a someone outside of Trump's legal team, and as Rudy Giuliani is not formally part of Trump's legal team, then he might have leaked the 'questions' in order to obstruct the continuing investigation:

Title: "WATCH: Robert Mueller’s Former Assistant Explains How Grammatical Errors Prove ‘Leaked Questions’ Came From Trump"

https://www.alternet.org/watch-robert-muellers-former-assistant-explains-how-grammatical-errors-prove-leaked-questions-came

Extract: "We have, this morning, been calling these questions that Mueller propounded, but I don’t believe that that’s actually what these are,” he began. “I think these are notes taken by the recipients of a conversation with Mueller’s office where he outlined broad topics and these guys wrote down questions that they thought these topics may raise.”

He explained that the way the questions are written make it pretty obvious.

“Because of the way these questions are written,” Zeldin explained his methodology. “Lawyers wouldn’t write questions this way, in my estimation. Some of the grammar is not even proper. So, I don’t see this as a list of written questions that Mueller’s office gave to the president. I think these are more notes that the White House has taken and then they have expanded upon the conversation to write out these as questions.”"

Also, per the linked article, Mueller's office might have raised the topics addressed in the 'leaked' 'questions' in order to bait Team Trump, and that someone (say Giuliani) may have leaked these 'questions' not only to disrupt Mueller's investigation but also to get Trump to take the investigation seriously:

Title: "Trump Biographer Says ‘Matador’ Mueller Is Expertly Baiting ‘Trump the Bull’ With His Questions"

https://www.alternet.org/trump-biographer-says-matador-mueller-expertly-baiting-trump-bull-his-questions

Extract: "D’Antonio goes on to speculate that someone on Trump’s team leaked the questions as a way to get Trump’s attention and show him just how serious the Mueller probe into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election is for the president."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 01, 2018, 06:20:30 PM
The linked Rollingstone article about Mueller's 'questions' 'leak', makes good sense if Rudy Giuliani leaked the 'questions' as a way to get Trump to charge at Mueller, in an attempt to get the Mueller investigation shutdown (say by firing Mueller/Rosenstein),.as Rudy has potential criminal liability himself if the investigation proceeds:

Title: "A Theory of the Leaks Surrounding Mueller's Questions for Trump"

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/muellers-questions-for-trump-a-theory-w519706

Extract: "Imagine a bull – or a bull’s handlers – wanting a matador to wave a red muleta in front of the charging beast. That’s one way to look at Monday night’s leak of the questions Special Counsel Robert Mueller reportedly wants to ask President Trump as part of the growing Russia investigation: Team Trump is trying to goad the president into charging at Mueller and his investigators.
..
Most of the questions, reportedly summarized by Team Trump, are obvious ones that most of us would like to have the chance to ask the president. There are questions about obstruction of justice, questions about who approached the Russians and why, questions about several of the president’s men (and relatives) who seem to be in jeopardy of becoming federal criminal defendants one day soon. Also on that list are questions focusing on Trump’s business interests; questions that appear specifically designed to evoke a response from the temperamental president."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 01, 2018, 06:26:54 PM
Clearly, Trump's allies are preparing the ground for an attempt to end the Mueller investigation:

Title: "House Conservatives Draft Articles Of Impeachment Against Rod Rosenstein"

https://news.google.com/news/explore/section/q/Rod%20Rosenstein/Rod%20Rosenstein?ned=us&hl=en&gl=US

Extract: "A group of conservative House members has drafted articles of impeachment against Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who is overseeing special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe, multiple news organizations reported  Monday.

The reported draft is the latest in an ongoing feud between Congress members allied with President Donald Trump and the Justice Department over its investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

Members of the House Freedom Caucus, a group of conservatives led by Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), recently finalized the draft, The Washington Post reported.

Meadows called it “a last-resort option if the Department of Justice fails to respond” to congressional requests for documents pertaining to the Russia investigation and another federal inquiry into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 01, 2018, 07:40:47 PM
You can add this to Cohen's shady resume:

Title: "Better Call Cohen: The Shady Cases of Trump Lawyer's Personal Injury Practice"

https://www.rollingstone.com/shady-cases-michael-cohen-personal-injury-practice-w519679

Extract: "The president's personal attorney represented multiple clients in New York who allegedly staged car crashes to cheat insurance companies

A few years before he started working for Donald Trump, and long before he gave legal advice to people like Fox News personality Sean Hannity, Michael D. Cohen had a different kind of clientele. Cohen roamed the courthouses of New York City, filing lawsuits on behalf of people with little means who were seeking compensation for the injuries they suffered in car collisions. Many personal-injury lawyers make their living this way, but there was something striking about Cohen's cases: Some of the crashes at issue didn't appear to be accidents at all."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 01, 2018, 11:15:29 PM
It is almost unanimous among experts that it is most likely that someone (I suspect Rudy Giuliani) on Team Trump leaked the Mueller 'questions' to the NYTs, just so the right including Trump can shout about how disgraceful the leaks were:

Title: "Experts: Mueller questions leaked by Team Trump"

https://www.salon.com/2018/05/01/experts-mueller-questions-leaked-by-team-trump/

Extract: "Hartmann also noted that there were three prevailing theories as to why the questions were leaked (and most likely by someone either currently or formerly associated with Trump's team): to convince Trump not to speak with Mueller, to turn the public against the Mueller investigation or to persuade the Republican-controlled Congress that Mueller is getting too close to the president and needs to be stopped.

"The very fact that the questions are out there, my first reaction is that it could be an act of obstruction just to have released these questions," John Dean, the former White House counsel to President Richard Nixon, told Anderson Cooper. He elaborated that they may have been released "to try to somehow disrupt the flow of information, the tipping off of a witness in advance as to what the questions are going to be." He also noted, as did Abrams, that these seem to be questions someone wrote down after listening to someone else.

Regardless of the Trump administration's maneuvering, however, most Americans support the Mueller investigation."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 01, 2018, 11:40:40 PM
Does Mueller already know everything that Ivanka knows so that he doesn't need to interview her, or is Mueller saving his questions for her until near the end of his investigation, or is Mueller focused on criminal charges against Jared so he cannot question his wife?

Title: "The real reason Mueller hasn’t called Ivanka Trump"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/01/ivanka-trump-mueller-russia-probe-563169

Extract: "The special counsel seems to be leaving the president's children for last.

She was in Bedminster, N.J., with President Donald Trump the rainy June 2017 weekend when he decided to fire FBI director James Comey.

She was a passenger on the plane flying home from the G-20 conference in Germany the next month, strategizing about how to manage the fallout of her brother Don Jr.’s 2016 meeting with a Russian lawyer peddling “dirt” about Hillary Clinton.

Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter and West Wing adviser, also spoke briefly at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer and a lobbyist who was present for that meeting during the campaign.

Yet the family member closest to the president – and the woman who as a key campaign figure helped lobby her father to hire Paul Manafort, a man who is now under indictment on money laundering and fraud charges, as campaign manager – has yet to be called in for questioning by special counsel Robert Mueller, according to multiple people familiar with the investigation.

So far, only Ivanka Trump’s Washington enemies are actively floating the idea that she might be a “target” of Mueller’s investigation – and therefore not called in as a witness.

Like Mueller, Republicans who control the Hill committees investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 election have declined to call Ivanka Trump for an interview. Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill, however, do not buy the argument that Ivanka Trump would be of no interest to them or Mueller.

Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, has said that “it would be valuable to have her come and testify.”

Speaking to reporters in January, Schiff added: “if there’s credible information that Ivanka Trump had contact with any of the participants in that meeting at the time of that meeting, she should be brought in.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 02, 2018, 12:24:51 AM
Given the mutual interest in both oil and weapons shared by Russia, UAE and Saudi Arabia, it is not surprising that the Mueller Investigation should have many leads that run through the Middle East:

Title: "Witness in Mueller Inquiry Who Advises U.A.E. Ruler Also Has Ties to Russia"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/us/politics/george-nader-russia-uae-special-counsel-investigation.html

Extract: "A witness who is cooperating in the special counsel investigation, George Nader, has connections to both the Persian Gulf states and Russia and may have information that links two important strands of the inquiry together, interviews and records show.

Mr. Nader’s ties to the United Arab Emirates are well documented — he is an adviser to its leader — but the extent of his links to Russia had not been previously disclosed.

Mr. Nader, a Lebanese-American businessman, has a catalog of international connections that paved the way for numerous meetings with White House officials that have drawn the attention of the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. For example, Mr. Nader used his longstanding ties to Kirill Dmitriev, the manager of a state-run Russian investment fund, to help set up a meeting in the Seychelles between Mr. Dmitriev and a Trump adviser days before Donald J. Trump took office.

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed Al-Nahyan of Abu Dhabi, the de facto ruler of the U.A.E., is a close ally of the United States and a frequent visitor to the White House. He has also visited Moscow and met with Mr. Putin several times in recent years. One person briefed on the matter said Mr. Nader had accompanied the crown prince to Moscow on numerous occasions.

Last year, days before Mr. Trump took office, Mr. Nader helped set up a meeting at a Seychelles resort between Mr. Dmitriev, Emirati officials and Erik Prince, the former head of Blackwater Worldwide and an adviser to Mr. Trump’s transition team. The meeting, at the bar of a Four Seasons Hotel overlooking the Indian Ocean, was brokered in part to explore the possibility of a back channel for discussions between the Trump administration and the Kremlin, according to people familiar with the meeting."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 02, 2018, 01:59:11 AM
If Rudy Giuliani actually did leak the Mueller 'questions', and if the Mueller investigation is completed after the midterm elections and recommends impeachment, then Giuliani would presumably quarterback Trump's defense team for the Senate trial (assuming that the Democrats gain control of the House and vote for an impeachment trial); and his leaks may be viewed as an attempt to precondition the constituents of 34 GOP Senators required to block Trump's removal from office.

In this regards, I note that per the linked Wikipedia article, the majority members of the House Judiciary Committee would act as "managers", the equivalent of prosecutors, and thus it would be imparative that if the Democrats take control of the House that they appoint their strongest political minds to the Judiciary Committee (to counter Giuliani's machinations).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 02, 2018, 04:29:33 AM
It looks like Mueller is prepared to subpoena Trump if Trump does not agree to a negotiated interview:

Title: "Report: Robert Mueller raised the possibility of subpoenaing Donald Trump"

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/1/17309504/robert-mueller-questions-trump-subpoena

Extract: "A sign the special counsel isn’t backing down from a request to interview the president.
...
Robert Mueller has raised the possibility of subpoenaing President Donald Trump to compel him to testify in the Russia investigation — a sign that the special counsel won’t back away quietly from his request to interview the president.

The Washington Post’s Carol D. Leonnig and Robert Costa report that Mueller brought up the specter of a subpoena during a “tense meeting” on March 5 after Trump’s legal team told the special counsel’s office that the president had no obligation to speak with investigators:"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 02, 2018, 09:54:56 AM
Has a sitting President ever been issued a subpoena by an investigator? I recall Hillary testifying in front of Starr, (which seemed a little strange as I didn't think that wives could be compelled to testify against their husbands), but this seems even more outrageous.

Some NY judge just found that Iran was responsible for 9-11, and ordered reparations totaling in the $Billions,  :-\ so I suppose the judiciary can do whatever it wants, but what ever happened to the separation of powers that Americans so eagerly to boast of?

There are some questions I'd love to have heard "W" or Chaney respond to under oath, but executive privilege was just assumed, I assume.

Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 02, 2018, 11:03:00 AM
Has a sitting President ever been issued a subpoena by an investigator? I recall Hillary testifying in front of Starr, (which seemed a little strange as I didn't think that wives could be compelled to testify against their husbands), but this seems even more outrageous.

Some NY judge just found that Iran was responsible for 9-11, and ordered reparations totaling in the $Billions,  :-\ so I suppose the judiciary can do whatever it wants, but what ever happened to the separation of powers that Americans so eagerly to boast of?

There are some questions I'd love to have heard "W" or Chaney respond to under oath, but executive privilege was just assumed, I assume.

Terry

TerryM you have got to be one of the laziest posters that I have run across on this forum.  With any effort at all you would find that Ken Starr subpoenaed Bill Clinton and that Bill appeared before a Grand Jury. I will now go back to ignoring your posts.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 02, 2018, 07:42:29 PM
Trump's Russia legal team keeps churning (I note that Emmet Flood was on Bill Clinton's impeachment legal team):

Title: "White House Says Ty Cobb, Trump Lawyer in Russia Probe, Is Retiring"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-02/white-house-lawyer-in-russia-probe-leaves-as-trump-shuffles-team

Extract:
"- Ty Cobb to be replaced by attorney Emmet Flood, NYT reports

 -Trump legal team has been defined by upheaval in recent weeks"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 02, 2018, 07:50:03 PM
Clearly, Trump does not believe that the Justice Department should have an appropriate level of independence from the WH:

Title: "Trump calls Justice Department ‘rigged,’ threatens action"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-calls-justice-department-rigged-threatens-action/2018/05/02/6a568608-4e19-11e8-b725-92c89fe3ca4c_story.html?utm_term=.085de48c5b0a

Extract: "President Trump lashed out at the Justice Department on Wednesday, complaining that he may have to “get involved” amid an ongoing dispute between conservative lawmakers and the department over a memo outlining the topics being investigated by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

The president’s tweet suggests that friction may be rising again between Trump and Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein, who just a day earlier declared at a public event that “the Justice Department is not going to be extorted” by public and private threats.

Less than 24 hours after Rosenstein’s comments, Trump fired off a tweet declaring: “A Rigged System — They don’t want to turn over Documents to Congress. What are they afraid of? Why so much redacting? Why such unequal “justice?” At some point I will have no choice but to use the powers granted to the Presidency and get involved!”

Before that broadside, Trump sent a tweet promoting Fox News Channel legal analyst Gregg Jarrett’s new book, which is highly critical of how the FBI investigated Hillary Clinton and Trump. “A sad chapter for law enforcement. A rigged system!” the president tweeted."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 02, 2018, 08:02:55 PM
The head of Rusal is Oleg Deripaska, a likely Trump co-conspirator:

Title: "U.S. Gives Rusal Path to Escape Sanctions"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rusal-set-to-escape-sanctions-after-treasury-amends-russia-blacklist-1525217278?mod=e2tw
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 02, 2018, 09:35:52 PM
As the conservatives in Congress leak the documents that they get from the DOJ almost immediately, it may be challenging for the DOJ to maintain its investigatory independence, as Trump intervenes:

Title: "Trump suggests he may intervene in DOJ release of Mueller probe documents"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/02/trump-justice-department-clinton-565602

Extract: "The presidential criticism comes after the Justice Department refused to give Congress a memo on scope of special counsel investigation."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 02, 2018, 09:55:47 PM
The chance of Mueller sitting down for a "narrow" "2 or 3 hour interview max" ....... is about the same chance that Rudy Guilliani is ethical in his personal life.

That 'aint going to happen.  In fact..... no interview with Traitor Donnie is going to happen.  Donnie is guilty ..... and Donnie is worried.  And when pressure is applied ...... bad things happen to guilty people.

Donnie will try to string this out if he can ..... and if he can't ..... he'll use the "nuclear option" of firing everyone in sight.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-lawyer-says-mueller-interview-of-trump-to-be-limited-tweet/ar-AAwEp5W?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=iehp

Too bad Traitor Trump doesn't have a pair of balls and some backbone like someone else I know:

Quote
Hillary Clinton faced 11 hours of questioning before the House Select Committee on Benghazi on Thursday, and when it was over, it was hard to say how much new light was shed on the 2012 terrorist attack that killed four Americans while she was secretary of state.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/22/451012235/clinton-endures-an-11-hour-grilling-before-benghazi-committee
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 02, 2018, 09:59:31 PM
Trump's Russia legal team keeps churning (I note that Emmet Flood was on Bill Clinton's impeachment legal team):

Title: "White House Says Ty Cobb, Trump Lawyer in Russia Probe, Is Retiring"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-02/white-house-lawyer-in-russia-probe-leaves-as-trump-shuffles-team

Extract:
"- Ty Cobb to be replaced by attorney Emmet Flood, NYT reports

 -Trump legal team has been defined by upheaval in recent weeks"

If it is not obvious to some readers, this means that Ty Cobb almost certainly will now become a witness for Mueller, acting in much like the role that John Dean played in Watergate to tie all the loose ends of the investigation together:

See:

Title: "John Dean"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dean
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 02, 2018, 10:37:32 PM
"Ty Cobb almost certainly will now become a witness for Mueller"

Nothing in the posted article suggests that. Is this deduction supported anywhere else ? Perhaps in other articles ?

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 12:02:07 AM
"Ty Cobb almost certainly will now become a witness for Mueller"

Nothing in the posted article suggests that. Is this deduction supported anywhere else ? Perhaps in other articles ?

sidd

sidd,

As Ty Cobb was on the White House payroll that means that Trump's and Cobb's interactions never enjoyed attorney-client privilege.  Thus Cobb is legally obligated to fully answer any questions that Mueller might care to ask him.  Thus it is only my logical deduction that Cobb will almost certainly become a witness for Mueller, so no I do not have links to provide to other articles.

ASLR
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 03:59:32 AM
It looks like Trump wants to use Flood to exert more claims to Executive Privilege (i.e. authoritarianism):

Title: "Hiring Emmet Flood Signals a Big Shift for Trump's Defense"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hiring-emmet-flood-signals-a-big-shift-for-trumps-defense/ar-AAwEDfI?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "On Wednesday, MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace reported that Flood’s addition to the team signals a decision to “exert executive privilege more aggressively.”

Executive privilege, when invoked, allows presidents to retain certain executive-branch communications, shielding them from Congress or the federal judiciary. The theory is that presidents require candid and unvarnished advice in order to govern effectively. But asserting executive privilege to fend off requests from Mueller would mark a dramatic shift for the White House’s legal strategy."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 03, 2018, 06:56:30 AM
Wait, what ? Ukraine did a deal, cut Mueller out ? so sad.

Anitiank missiles for silence, not so bad. Wonder what that does to the Manafort case.

"Most specifically, Ukraine’s chief prosecutor has frozen all cooperation with Robert Mueller’s investigation of President Trump. Officials readily confirm this is policy, saying that they want to avoid “irritating” Trump Administration leaders who would have a say in arms deals. "

https://news.antiwar.com/2018/05/02/ukraine-cut-off-cooperation-with-mueller-to-get-missiles-from-trump/

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 03, 2018, 05:19:13 PM
Giuliani on Kushner: Men like him are ‘disposable’

Quote
President Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, said late Wednesday that men like senior presidential adviser Jared Kushner are "disposable," but it would cross the line for the special prosecutor to go after first daughter Ivanka Trump.

"Jared is a fine man, you know that," Giuliani said on Fox News. "Men are disposable. But a fine woman like Ivanka? Come on."

Sorry Rudy ....... Ivanka is going down as well.  The whole F**KING LOT of them are going down .... right along with YOU, Nunez, Chaffetz, and a boatload of others.  The "fun part" is just now starting.

You see what happens when you get a despicable human being like Donald Trump as a "leader"?  You get him surrounded by incompetent, unethical, immoral CRAP like Guiliani, Gingrich, Devoss, and a whole host of others.  CRAPPY LEADERS ATTRACT CRAPPY FOLLOWERS.  It's "humanity 101".

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/giuliani-on-kushner-men-like-him-are-%e2%80%98disposable%e2%80%99/ar-AAwGe6j?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 05:29:01 PM
Wait, what ? Ukraine did a deal, cut Mueller out ? so sad.

Anitiank missiles for silence, not so bad. Wonder what that does to the Manafort case.

"Most specifically, Ukraine’s chief prosecutor has frozen all cooperation with Robert Mueller’s investigation of President Trump. Officials readily confirm this is policy, saying that they want to avoid “irritating” Trump Administration leaders who would have a say in arms deals. "

https://news.antiwar.com/2018/05/02/ukraine-cut-off-cooperation-with-mueller-to-get-missiles-from-trump/

sidd

sidd,

In many of your posts you have called-out apparent abuses of power by corporate Democrats in office, but you seem to support Trump's apparent abuse of his power in his dealings with Ukraine for his own private personal benefit.  Am I to believe that you regularly maintain such apparent double standards in order to support your own tribal alignments?

Best,
ASLR
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 06:06:31 PM
Hopefully, Michael Avenatti can obtain a copy of Trump's retainer agreement with Cohen (say during discovery) about these $35,000 per month payments in 2017, as he is best positioned to pin-down Trump's ever changing story.

Title: "Trump Says Campaign Money Played "No Roll" In Repayments For Stormy Daniels Hush Money"

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hazelshearing/trump-says-campaign-money-played-no-role-in-repayments-for?bfsplash&utm_term=.rf5XWW74Gj#.olPqzz984b

Extract: "The president admitted that his former lawyer Michael Cohen received a "monthly retainer," but said that it had "nothing to do with the campaign."

His comments come after his new lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, revealed on Wednesday that Trump agreed to pay Cohen $35,000 a month “out of his personal funds” over the course of a year-long period that began in the first few months of 2017.

“It clearly was a payment to reimburse expenses,” Giuliani told BuzzFeed News, after making the explosive announcement in an interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News Wednesday night — adding the caveat, “I’m almost certain that there wasn’t an itemized bill.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 06:16:59 PM
Is Giuliani just adding to Trump's legal woes?

Title: "Giuliani comments on Stormy payment raise legal questions"

https://apnews.com/f84d92ab647142b0ac7b34d001baf7c7

Extract: "Giuliani’s insistence the money had nothing to do with the campaign is complicated by the fact that Daniels’ silence was secured just days before the 2016 presidential election, and as Trump was dealing with the fallout from the “Access Hollywood” tape in which he bragged about sexually assaulting women.

If the payment were wholly personal, said Richard L. Hasen, an expert in election law at the University of California, Irvine, there would be no campaign finance violations.

But Giuliani’s argument that the payment was unrelated to the campaign appears to be “pretty far-fetched” given the timing, said Andrew Herman, an attorney specializing in campaign finance law at Miller & Chevalier.

“Certainly, the argument that the government will make is that the $130,000 payment from Michael Cohen to Daniels was a loan to the Trump campaign to keep these allegations secret obviously and then Trump paying Cohen back would be a campaign expenditure” — a loan and expenditure that should have been disclosed to the Federal Election Commission, he said.

Larry Noble, general counsel of the nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center, agreed the timing “is still strong evidence of it being campaign related,” as is the reimbursement.

“And if the money was funneled through the law firm as legal fees, as Giuliani suggested, it shows an intent to cover up the source of the funds,” he said.
..
All campaign expenses, including payments and loans, are supposed to be disclosed to the FEC.
Hasen said the question before Wednesday had been whether Cohen had made an unreported contribution to the Trump campaign exceeding legal limits.

“If this is true, then it looks like Cohen may have made an unreported loan to the campaign rather than a contribution,” he said. That could be good news for Cohen, because it would have been up to the president or his campaign to report the loan, not up to Cohen."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 07:35:03 PM
As Comey was under no DOJ requirement to tell Trump whether he was a target, or not, in the Russia investigation; if Giuliani is correct that Trump fired Comey for failing to provide this information, then this is yet another example of Trump's obstruction of justice by firing Comey for this alleged reason:

Title: "Giuliani offers new explanation of why Trump fired Comey"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/giuliani-offers-explanation-comey-firing-54904669

Extract: "Rudy Giuliani, Trump's new attorney, said in an interview on Fox News that Trump fired Comey last year because Comey would not state "that he wasn't a target" of the special counsel's Russia investigation."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 03, 2018, 07:53:52 PM
"Lordy I hope there are tapes."

....AND WIRETAPS........ ;)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 08:05:46 PM
Whether Ivanka is "a fine woman", or not, is irrelevant in the Mueller investigation.  When Mueller gets to the right point in his investigation he should call her in as a witness to testify about her knowledge of Trump's actions that are under investigation:

Title: "Giuliani Tells Hannity That Comey Is “Perverted” and He Would Defend Ivanka Trump From Mueller Like a Brave Knight"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/giuliani-tells-hannity-that-comey-is-perverted-and-he-would-totally-defend-ivanka-trump-from-mueller-with-a-sword.html

Extract: "New Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani eased himself into the warm bubble bath that is Sean Hannity’s television program Wednesday night. Among other things, the former New York City mayor turned Trump booster managed to put the president in new legal jeopardy over the hush payment made to former porn star Stormy Daniels. Giuliani also waxed defensive on the Fox News program about the Russia investigation, James Comey, Robert Mueller, while defending the honor of “a fine woman like Ivanka.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on May 03, 2018, 08:07:48 PM
Wait, what ? Ukraine did a deal, cut Mueller out ? so sad.

Anitiank missiles for silence, not so bad. Wonder what that does to the Manafort case.
Mueller lost access to Manafort's former colleague Konstantin Kilimnik:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/key-mueller-witness-runs-to-russia-as-ukraine-courts-trump-favor-1224600131949
Quote
Key Mueller witness runs to Russia as Ukraine courts Trump favor
Ken Vogel, reporter for The New York Times, talks with Rachel Maddow about Paul Manafort's former colleague Konstantin Kilimnik and how a lack of cooperation from Ukraine has put him out of reach of Robert Mueller's investigation.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 03, 2018, 08:09:13 PM
" ... you seem to support Trump's apparent abuse of his power ..."

Really ? Where ? Name a single post of mine where i support Trump's apparent abuse of power.

" Am I to believe that you regularly maintain such apparent double standards in order to support your own tribal alignments?"

Am I to understand that you have not stopped beating your wife ?


sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 08:10:28 PM
"Lordy I hope there are tapes."

....AND WIRETAPS........ ;)

For those who do not know what Buddy is referring to:

Title: "Feds tapped Cohen's phone, intercepted White House call: report"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/386082-federal-investigators-wiretapped-cohens-phones-report

Extract:  Federal investigators tapped the phone lines of President Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, according to a new report by NBC News.

The report, citing one source with direct knowledge, said at least one call between the White House and a phone line associated with Cohen was intercepted."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 08:12:35 PM
" ... you seem to support Trump's apparent abuse of his power ..."

Really ? Where ? Name a single post of mine where i support Trump's apparent abuse of power.

" Am I to believe that you regularly maintain such apparent double standards in order to support your own tribal alignments?"

Am I to understand that you have not stopped beating your wife ?


sidd

Perhaps your dry wit was beyond my grasp.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 03, 2018, 08:33:56 PM
"Perhaps your dry wit was beyond my grasp."

Perhaps. More to the point, I await a reference to any post of mine supporting  Trump's apparent abuse of power.

Please cite your evidence or withdraw the accusation.

sidd

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 09:24:48 PM
"Perhaps your dry wit was beyond my grasp."

Perhaps. More to the point, I await a reference to any post of mine supporting  Trump's apparent abuse of power.

Please cite your evidence or withdraw the accusation.

sidd

My assumption in your phase below is that Trump abused his governmental power to make a deal for antitank missiles with Ukraine in exchange for the Ukraine denying Mueller access to witnesses in the Mueller investigation.  If I am wrong then please clarify you it is that you think that Ukraine made a deal with.

"Wait, what ? Ukraine did a deal, cut Mueller out ? so sad."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 09:37:15 PM
My assumption in your phase below is that Trump abused his governmental power to make a deal for antitank missiles with Ukraine in exchange for the Ukraine denying Mueller access to witnesses in the Mueller investigation.  If I am wrong then please clarify you it is that you think that Ukraine made a deal with.

"Wait, what ? Ukraine did a deal, cut Mueller out ? so sad."

It appears that I am not the only one who thinks that Trump bribed Ukraine with antitank missiles in exchange for the Ukraine stopping its cooperation with Mueller:

Title: "Did Trump Bribe Ukraine to Stop Cooperating With Mueller?"

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/trump-bornstein-mueller-questions-leaks-ukraine-missile-bribe.html

Extract: "What’s more remarkable is that the leak came from Trump’s side, so that Trump could blame the leak on Mueller.* “The president and several advisers now plan to point to the list as evidence that Mueller has strayed beyond his mandate and is overreaching,” two advisers tell the Post. The “disgraceful” leak was planted by Trump’s own staff — probably at the direction of Trump himself — in order to concoct evidence of wrongdoing by Mueller, in order to advance Trump’s claim that Mueller is supposedly setting him up.* The Trumpian dishonesty we were all engaging with merely concealed more bad faith buried at a much deeper level.

Bear this lesson in mind when you process the following. In December, the administration allowed the sale of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine. Supporters of the administration held up the sale as evidence that Trump could not have colluded with Russia — here he was, arming Russia’s enemy. “The year that began with the narrative of Trump-Russia collusion is ending with an unexpected plot twist — the Trump administration is confronting and cracking down on Russia,” reported Fox News. The Wall Street Journal editorial page mocked “people who say President Trump colluded with Mr. Putin to win the election and wants to appease him now.” Skeptics merely saw the sale as evidence that the foreign policy bureaucracy operated at some distance from Trump’s whims.

Today’s New York Times suggests a darker interpretation altogether. In response to the missile sale, Ukrainian officials have frozen out the Mueller investigation. Ukraine’s government had previously cooperated eagerly to expose the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia — providing, among other importance evidence, ledgers detailing payments to Paul Manafort by the Russian-backed Ukrainian party he had advised.

Now Ukraine is withholding cooperation from Mueller, and Ukrainian officials are not even hiding the fact that they’re doing so because of the missile sale. “In every possible way, we will avoid irritating the top American officials,” one Ukrainian lawmaker says. “We shouldn’t spoil relations with the administration.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 09:45:20 PM
It appears that Trump only gave Ukraine the antitank missiles after Ukraine decided to stop cooperating with Mueller.

Title: "MSNBC's Rachel Maddow Unpacks the Wild Story of How Ukraine Thwarted Mueller to Win Favor with Trump"

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/msnbcs-rachel-maddow-unpacks-wild-story-how-ukraine-thwarted-mueller-win-favor

Extract: "The country decided to stop participating in the special counsel's investigation — and then the U.S. government decided to offer military assistance."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: magnamentis on May 03, 2018, 09:47:46 PM
such a pity that repeatedly, else great minds, start to bang their respective heads over non-sense, non-important petty things, mostly based on hurt feelings.

i mentioned this elsewhere but this is why until today "satan" wins, because all the daemons pull the same strings until very late in the game, only the end game makes them beat each other to death, while the "good boys" are often so much "holier-than-thou" based on petty motives, that they start fighting each other often before one was able to finish his first full sentence.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 03, 2018, 10:25:53 PM
We shouldn't be arming Ukraine, and we should not have believed any of their tales about their avowed enemy Russia.


Without Obama's Victoria, Fu*k the EU Numan, there would be no western leaning Ukraine. In fact Crimeans would still be bristling under their Ukrainian yoke. That they would turn on their erstwhile supporters comes as no great surprise. Nazi's have never been seen as reliable partners.


How many times did their national hero Stepan Bandera switch sides?
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 03, 2018, 10:27:27 PM
Mr AbruptSLR writes:

"My assumption in your phase below is that Trump abused his governmental power to make a deal for antitank missiles with Ukraine in exchange for the Ukraine denying Mueller access to witnesses in the Mueller investigation.  If I am wrong then please clarify you it is that you think that Ukraine made a deal with."

I wrote:

"Wait, what ? Ukraine did a deal, cut Mueller out ? so sad."

Precisely where in my statement do i express approval of Ukraine's actions ? Or of Trump's ?

I repeat: you accused me of supporting Trump. Please cite evidence in support or withdraw the accusation.

sidd

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 03, 2018, 10:43:06 PM
Precisely where in my statement do i express approval of Ukraine's actions ? Or of Trump's ?


sidd,

Your wrote: "Anitiank missiles for silence, not so bad." sic

To me this indicates your approval of the deal that Ukraine cut with Trump, and by extension your approval of Trump's abuse of his presidential power for his personal benefit.

ASLR
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 03, 2018, 11:16:46 PM
My complete posting (excluding the link and the quotation from it) was:

"Wait, what ? Ukraine did a deal, cut Mueller out ? so sad.

Anitiank missiles for silence, not so bad. Wonder what that does to the Manafort case."

The phrase "not so bad" refers to the merits of the putative deal for Ukraine and not my approval or disapproval. Your interpretation

"To me this indicates your approval of the deal that Ukraine cut with Trump, and by extension your approval of Trump's abuse of his presidential power for his personal benefit."

is erroneous.

For example, I have stated before that refusal to prosecute bankers and bailout of bankers after 2008 debacle was a great deal for the banks. It would, however, be very far from the truth to take the statement to mean i approved of the deal.

For the record, as I have stated before, I am not now, nor ever have been a Trump supporter.

sidd

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 03, 2018, 11:53:43 PM
Feds had a pen register on Cohen's phone, covertly searched his emails. Cohen showing no signs of flipping yet.

" calls are logged by a machine called a pen register, which records the number of the phone that made the call and the number that received it "

"federal prosecutors in New York have said in court filings that they have conducted covert searches on multiple e-mail accounts maintained by Cohen."

"Cohen has previously said publicly that he would invoke his Fifth Amendment rights if subpoenaed to avoid incriminating himself before a grand jury and there is no indication from public filings that Cohen is cooperating in the probe."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/feds-tapped-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-s-phones-n871011

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on May 04, 2018, 12:29:16 AM
We shouldn't be arming Ukraine, and we should not have believed any of their tales about their avowed enemy Russia.


Without Obama's Victoria, Fu*k the EU Numan, there would be no western leaning Ukraine. In fact Crimeans would still be bristling under their Ukrainian yoke. That they would turn on their erstwhile supporters comes as no great surprise. Nazi's have never been seen as reliable partners.


How many times did their national hero Stepan Bandera switch sides?
Terry

Classic. Russian. Propaganda.

F-ing time for a "dislike" button!
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 04, 2018, 12:48:33 AM
The phrase "not so bad" refers to the merits of the putative deal for Ukraine and not my approval or disapproval.

Thank you for the clarification regarding my misinterpretation.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 04, 2018, 01:15:36 AM

Classic. Russian. Propaganda.

F-ing time for a "dislike" button!
Sooo You believe that Trump did the right thing in sending additional arms to the Ukraine?
You don't believe Vicky was handing out cookies, or making off color remarks to her colleges?
You think the Crimea was happy under Ukrainian rule?
You don't believe that people who march under the SS flags and honor Bandera are Nazis?
or you think that Bandera was known for picking a side and sticking to it.


It ain't propaganda when it's the truth. 8)
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 04, 2018, 04:04:36 PM
Maybe the linked website to the Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell changes its content daily, but on May 3, 2018, the site presents a discussion where Avenatti indicates that there is evidence that Cohen's payment of $130,000 to Daniels was tied to the 2016 election.  As Trump claims that he reimbursed Cohen for this payment, that means that he needed to report this campaign contribution but he did not.

Title: "The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell"

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word

Extract: "Michael Avenatti tells Lawrence there were “extensive communications” between Michael Cohen & Stormy Daniels’ first lawyer that the payment to her had to be made in advance 2016 election."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 04, 2018, 04:20:48 PM
Team Trump appears to have concluded that Mueller will not indict a sitting president, but instead will refer charges to Congress; which is why Giuliani is now leading a media blitz intended to politically bias/influence the Congressmen that will be voting on this guilt or innocence.

Title: "Trump's Russia strategy: Bash Mueller to beat impeachment"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/03/trump-lawyers-mueller-russia-probe-strategy-568481

Extract: "Trump’s legal team — now led by a talkative Rudy Giuliani — increasingly sees its goal as fighting potential impeachment proceedings by a Democratic-controlled Congress next year, according to multiple sources close to the White House."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: NevB on May 04, 2018, 04:26:10 PM
We shouldn't be arming Ukraine, and we should not have believed any of their tales about their avowed enemy Russia.


Without Obama's Victoria, Fu*k the EU Numan, there would be no western leaning Ukraine. In fact Crimeans would still be bristling under their Ukrainian yoke. That they would turn on their erstwhile supporters comes as no great surprise. Nazi's have never been seen as reliable partners.


How many times did their national hero Stepan Bandera switch sides?
Terry

Classic. Russian. Propaganda.

F-ing time for a "dislike" button!

Yes I added a like because Russian propaganda is even more worse than Western propaganda.

I would also like to add a 3/4 like to Sidd's Reply 123 above.

Because Sidd Your certainly not deplorable and in this case I think your reply was misinterpreted.



 
 
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 04, 2018, 04:42:10 PM
Since 1973, the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel has maintained a policy that a sitting president may not be prosecuted; however, this raises the question of whether Trump could be indicted by Mueller but then not tried.  This is any important issue because a indictment could make public the reasons for the indictment; whereas if Trump fires Rosenstein then his replacement could just file Mueller's report without making it public or passing it on to Congress.

Title: "A sitting president can be indicted, says former acting solicitor general"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/28/politics/walter-dellinger-president-can-be-indicted-don-lemon-cnntv/index.html

Extract: ""Although the thoughtful opinion from the Office of Legal Counsel is persuasive in establishing that a president cannot be put on trial, it addresses only briefly the question of whether he could simply be indicted but not tried," he wrote in The New York Times op-ed.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 04, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
Trump reportedly paid total 'Retainer' fees of $420,000 in 2017 to Cohen; which Giuliani implied covered 'Reimbursement' of the $130,000 that Cohen paid Daniels; however, the law indicates a 'Retainer' cannot be used to cover 'Reimbursement'.

Title: "Legal Tip for Trump: A 'Retainer' Isn't a 'Reimbursement"

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-05-03/trump-giuliani-hatch-new-theory-on-stormy-daniels-payments
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 04, 2018, 06:00:59 PM
When Mueller finally presents clear facts about his obstruction case, Trump may well be surprised that his weak theories about executive privilege don't hold water:

Title: "Trump Is Doubling Down on a Self-Destructive Strategy"

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-05-03/trump-is-doubling-down-on-a-faulty-strategy-on-obstruction

Extract: "His claim that the president can't be impeached for obstruction won't hold up"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 04, 2018, 06:09:12 PM
Flood will eventually replace McGahn as the White House counsel, which means that Mueller's team could question Flood about the president in ways that would not be protected by attorney–client privilege (I note that McGahn is already a witness for Mueller).

Title: "White House counsel expected to exit: report"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/386199-white-house-counsel-expected-to-exit-report

Extract: "White House counsel Don McGahn is expected to exit the Trump administration in the upcoming months and could be replaced by Emmet Flood, the president's newest addition to his legal team, The Associated Press reported.

Flood was hired to Trump's legal team this week to replace outgoing lawyer Ty Cobb, who up until now has been Trump's point person for special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the presidential election.

McGahn, who is a witness in Mueller's ongoing investigation and therefore has not been involved in the White House response, has privately lobbied for Flood to be added to the team for months, the AP reported.

But joining the White House to replace McGahn would make Flood an official government employee, meaning Mueller's team could question him about the president in ways that would not be protected by attorney–client privilege."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 04, 2018, 08:21:53 PM
While the judge's questions do not necessarily indicate how he will rule on the defense's motion to dismiss charges against Manafort; nevertheless, they do put Team Mueller in a defensive mode:

Title: "Manafort Judge Asks If Mueller Overstepped His Authority"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-04/manafort-judge-questions-if-mueller-overstepped-his-authority
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 04, 2018, 10:01:21 PM
If Mueller nails Erik Prince, that would put an end to such shady business deals as that discussed in the linked article:

Title: "Blackwater's Erik Prince under scrutiny for China ties"

https://www.axios.com/blackwater-erik-prince-china-firm-4beb5a79-7230-4c21-99b1-0aad4d1bdf2d.html?utm_source=sidebar

Extract: "According to the Post, there's a concern that Prince, who is of interest to special counsel Robert Mueller and has ties to the Trump administration, is "advancing the strategic agenda of the United States' largest rival.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 05, 2018, 02:57:46 AM
That Manafort judge is pissed off. Wonder if there's some history there with Drebeen or Mueller.


sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 05, 2018, 04:39:44 AM
I read a hit piece on Muller who apparently has been pissing certain people off for a very long time. At least one member of the Judicial Committee has been after him since his days of playing nice with Whitey Bulger in Boston.
Ether that or he's presenting a weak case?


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 05, 2018, 05:22:28 AM
Look, more russia:

"Investigators stopped the Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg at a New York-area airport after he stepped off a private plane, according to the Times. They proceeded to search his electronic devices and question him. "

"Vekselberg attended President Trump's inauguration in January 2017. His ticket to the event was given to him by his cousin Andrew Intrater, an American businessman who donated to Trump's inauguration,"

"Vekselberg was also present at a 2015 dinner in Russia that was attended by former national security adviser Michael Flynn and Russian President Vladimir Putin. "

"Vekselberg was among several Russian individuals and entities that were hit with U.S. sanctions last month "

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/386297-muellers-team-questioned-russian-billionaire-who-attended-trump

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 05, 2018, 05:25:14 AM
Ooo, look.Prigozhin lawyers showed up:

"a pair of Washington-area lawyers suddenly surfaced in the case, notifying the court that they represent Concord Management. "

"On Friday, Mueller’s prosecutors disclosed that Concord’s attorneys, Eric Dubelier and Kate Seikaly, had made a slew of discovery requests demanding nonpublic details about the case and the investigation. Prosecutors also asked a judge to postpone the formal arraignment of Concord Management set for next week."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/04/mueller-russia-interference-election-case-delay-570627

Concord:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concord_Management_and_Consulting

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 05, 2018, 07:06:06 AM
In California at least, showing up in court is enough to demonstrate that the service was made and was legal.
From an old dog that avoided them for close to five years.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 05, 2018, 08:36:32 PM
More history on Judge Ellis: he handled Lindh, Franklin, AIPAC trials. And another titbit, mentions takin the Manafort case away from Mueller and returning it to Eastern District of Virginia. Manafort attorney is for that:

"Manafort’s attorney Downing indicated his support for such a move, which would end any leverage by the special counsel over  his client."

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/05/05/trum-m05.html

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 06, 2018, 11:00:31 PM
Mueller is having no luck with judges: request for delay in russian internet troll case denied. This judge is a Trump appointee.

"In a brief order Saturday evening, U.S. District Court Judge Dabney Friedrich offered no explanation for her decision to deny a request prosecutors made Friday to put off the scheduled Wednesday arraignment for Concord Management and Consulting, one of the three firms charged in the case."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/04/mueller-russia-interference-election-case-delay-570627

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 06, 2018, 11:06:54 PM
That Manafort judge is pissed off. Wonder if there's some history there with Drebeen or Mueller.


sidd

It looks to me to be more the case that Judge Ellis is gun shy of political hot potatoes being tried within his court room.  At best Ellis is just venting steam before doing the right thing and letting the case continue in his court; at worse Ellis would transfer the case to a jurisdiction outside of Mueller's direct responsibility (which would keep Manafort in the hot seat anyway).
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 07, 2018, 12:00:07 AM
Anerica's Finest News Source:

"Mueller posed as a Fox News host Thursday to coax Rudy Giuliani into giving him a testimony on Trump"

"At press time, Mueller had welcomed President Trump, who called in to the show to give a statement confirming everything Giuliani had just said."

https://politics.theonion.com/mueller-poses-as-fox-news-host-to-coax-rudy-giuliani-in-1825782607

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 07, 2018, 09:55:05 AM
Anerica's Finest News Source:

"Mueller posed as a Fox News host Thursday to coax Rudy Giuliani into giving him a testimony on Trump"

"At press time, Mueller had welcomed President Trump, who called in to the show to give a statement confirming everything Giuliani had just said."

https://politics.theonion.com/mueller-poses-as-fox-news-host-to-coax-rudy-giuliani-in-1825782607

sidd

sidd,

Please stop posting links to stories from The Onion.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 07, 2018, 09:55:25 AM
Here is a link to a partial list of people connected to the Russia probe:

Title: "The 315 people connected to the Russia probes"

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2018/trump-russia-investigation-ties/
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 07, 2018, 01:22:23 PM
We should expect the Donald Trump "runaway beer truck" routine to continue and even accelerate over the coming months.  There is still a LOT more of the "serious stuff" to come out.  And I expect the outlandish lies to continue unabated.

Going to be a fascinating summer of courtroom drama and political drama.  Donnie is going to snap at some point ..... he can't help it.  Remember ...... he is a sociopath.

I wonder what McMaster will do in coming weeks.  He has been extremely quiet since he was pushed out of office.  Will he remain quiet?  I EXPECT that Tillerson won't say much of anything.  He is still HOPING that Trump might give him a pardon for Tillerson's part in lying about Mobile's effect on global warming over the past few decades.  But will McMaster come out at some point and be critical of Trump?  If things continue to worsen in the Trump Oval Office ...... I think there is a good chance that he may come out and be critical of Trump.  We'll see....

We are likely within a couple weeks of Mueller handing a subpoena to Traitor Donnie.  And then Donnie can plead the 5th amendment ...... just like his mobster friends.



Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: wili on May 07, 2018, 01:50:04 PM
I think the Giuliani strategy (if there is one at all) is to try to throw sand in Mueller and everyone else's eyes. Create enough confusion and stories and counter stories, and pretty soon almost no one can be bothered to follow all the contortions.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on May 07, 2018, 03:34:28 PM
I EXPECT that Tillerson won't say much of anything.  He is still HOPING that Trump might give him a pardon for Tillerson's part in lying about Mobile's effect on global warming over the past few decades.   

Of course, pardons only apply to criminal offenses.  They're of no use in defense against civil lawsuits.  I suspect Tillerson may be quiet because he's simply embarrassed about having been misled, used, and abused.

Edit:  Much as Colin Powell stayed silent after leaving the Bush Jr administration, having been persuaded to give a UN presentation that was later ridiculed.  Misled, used, abused, and thus certainly embarrassed.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 07, 2018, 06:17:57 PM
While Team Trump is fully entitled to challenge the Mueller investigation in a court of law, but as they are currently not in a court of law, almost all of Trump's challenges to the Mueller investigation constitutes obstruction of justice:

Title: "Dem rep hits Trump on Mueller probe: You can’t shut it down, you’re not a king"

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/386483-dem-rep-hits-trump-for-attacking-mueller-probe-you-cant-shut-it-down-youre-not

Extract: "“Getting competent lawyers to represent you has been a challenge, but there must be someone who can explain to you what 'obstruction of justice' means,” Beyer tweeted at Trump.

“You don’t get to suspend the rule of law or shut down investigations into your potential crimes,” he continued. “You are not a king.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 07, 2018, 07:15:59 PM
If the DOJ (either FBI or Mueller) can demonstrate that the conservative House Representatives cited in the two linked articles are coordinating with the WH (as agents), then they can also be brought up on obstruction of justice charges:

Title: "Nunes, in spat with Justice Department, threatens Sessions with contempt over Russia materials"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/06/politics/devin-nunes-sessions-contempt/index.html

Extract: "House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes warned Sunday that he plans to urge lawmakers "this week" to hold Attorney General Jeff Sessions in contempt of Congress for failing to hand over classified materials related to the Russia investigation."

&

Title: "Trump’s GOP ‘warriors’ lead charge against Mueller"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/07/trump-mueller-republican-warriors-congress-571562

Extract: "Trump has hailed a quartet of aggressive House Republicans who Democrats say are trying to 'sabotage' the Russia probe."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 08, 2018, 04:43:11 PM
The chances of Team Trump agreeing to any reasonable terms for a Trump interview with Mueller are almost nonexistent.  Thus sometime after May 17 Mueller will either need to issue a subpoena to Trump or he will need to decide to file charges (at least for obstruction of justice) without first questioning Trump.

Title: "Trump Lawyers Aim to Decide by May 17 Whether President Testifies in Mueller Probe"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-lawyers-aim-to-decide-by-may-17-whether-president-testifies-in-mueller-probe-1525727774

Title: "Lawyers advising President Donald Trump in the Russia investigation hope to decide whether he should testify by May 17, the one-year anniversary of the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller, Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani said Monday."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jai mitchell on May 08, 2018, 05:17:30 PM
or he will need to decide to file charges (at least for obstruction of justice) without first questioning Trump.


pretty sure you are not allowed to indict a sitting president. . .
I guess he could submit his findings to congress and have them decide whether or not to begin impeachment proceedings. . .
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 08, 2018, 06:04:49 PM
Mueller seems to be running into obstacles whenever he gets in front of a judge. First with Flynn, then with Manafort.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 08, 2018, 06:54:56 PM
or he will need to decide to file charges (at least for obstruction of justice) without first questioning Trump.


pretty sure you are not allowed to indict a sitting president. . .
I guess he could submit his findings to congress and have them decide whether or not to begin impeachment proceedings. . .

jai,
While you may be correct (or not, as the Supreme Court has not ruled on this matter yet), at least Erick Holder believes that Mueller is authorized to charge Trump with obstruction of justice:

Title: "Eric Holder: Mueller Will Charge Trump With Obstruction of Justice"

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/eric-holder-mueller-will-charge-trump-with-obstruction-of-justice/

Extract: "Former Attorney General Eric Holder says he believes special counsel Robert Mueller will eventually charge President Donald Trump with obstruction of justice."

ASLR
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jai mitchell on May 08, 2018, 07:22:23 PM
yes, apparently one can charge, just not prosecute, without impeachment.  at least, not until the term was over (and as long as statute of limitations did not expire).
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 08, 2018, 07:54:16 PM
Wheeler on Concord maneuvers:

" Concord is entirely within its right to begin demanding such evidence. That’s the risk of using our criminal justice system, affording due process, in charging a Russian corporate person who can challenge any charges without risking their freedom. I imagine Mueller’s team didn’t sufficiently account for this possibility when charging it this way. And if there are any other known Russian corporations involved in this operation (or fronts, such as the one Joseph Mifsud worked behind), I would imagine Mueller’s team is rethinking their approach to including those fronts. This could be problematic to the extent that proving any “collusion” between Trump’s people and Russians would most easily be demonstrated via conspiracy charges involving Russian entities."

"And to a large degree, it’s quite likely to work."


https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/05/07/with-the-concord-consulting-not-guilty-plea-russians-continue-to-win-the-lawfare-hockey-title/


sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 08, 2018, 09:07:00 PM
sidd
I thought Joseph Mifsud, (The Professor), was a free range Maltese Con Artist working his own fronts. What a let down.
 8)
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 08, 2018, 11:39:49 PM
Giuliani wants the Clinton treatment. Not Bill, Hilary :
(This ain't from America's Finest News Source. But it very well could be.)

"But Hillary Clinton treatment is what I'm looking for. And that is no under oath, only a Q&A, and then we get the questions in advance, and they write the report two weeks before,"

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/06/rudy_giuliani_trump_wants_the_hillary_clinton_treatment_from_robert_mueller.html

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 09, 2018, 12:53:41 AM
The evidence against Cohen is mounting:

Title: "Stormy Daniels' lawyer: Cohen was paid $500K by Putin-tied company after election"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/386802-stormy-daniels-lawyer-cohen-may-have-used-money-from-putin-tied

Extract: "Stormy Daniels’s attorney Michael Avenatti said Tuesday that President Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen received $500,000 in the months after the 2016 election from a company run by a Russian oligarch with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Avenatti said that the funding may have been used to reimburse the $130,000 payment Cohen made to Daniels to stay quiet about her alleged affair with Trump."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 09, 2018, 12:58:36 AM
And a damn generous tip!


Happy World Smile Day :)


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Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 09, 2018, 04:13:45 AM
TICK .... TICK ..... TICK ..... Donnie Boy.  The clock is ticking, and your life is about to change in a BIGLY way. 😘
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 09, 2018, 05:27:00 AM
No surprise: Mueller  no  to written interview :

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/08/trump-mueller-written-questions-573262

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 09, 2018, 09:01:56 AM
What ? Cohen taking money from shady deals to leak info on the white house ?

Nothing to see here, citizen. Go about your business. This is a true-blue, red blooded American Corporation.

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/386826-att-confirms-it-paid-michael-cohen-for-insights-on-trump-admin

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on May 09, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
Looks like the attorney for Prigozhin's company Concord charged in Robert Mueller's Russian troll farm indictment is attempting to use whataboutism as an actual legal argument :

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DckGYNtV0AAg9XW.jpg)

source:
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000163-2d3b-d9b5-af73-ffff51b70001
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 09, 2018, 01:18:12 PM
If anyone thinks that Michael Cohen received money from Russian oligarchs OR large US corporations without Donnie getting a LARGE slice of the pie ...... I have a TROLL BRIDGE (not toll bridge) to sell you in Canada.  ;)

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 09, 2018, 05:03:16 PM
"… Russia-linked hackers were in a position to “alter or delete voter registration data” in a small number of states before the 2016 vote."

Title: "Senate Intel: Russia waged ‘unprecedented’ cyber campaign on U.S. voting systems"

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/386833-senate-intel-report-says-russia-waged-unprecedented-cyber-campaign

Extract: "The Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday released the unclassified version of its investigation into Russian cyberattacks on digital U.S. voting systems ahead of the 2016 presidential election.

The report finds that Moscow conducted an “unprecedented, coordinated cyber campaign” against the nation’s voting infrastructure. Through its investigation, the committee found that Russia-linked hackers were in a position to “alter or delete voter registration data” in a small number of states before the 2016 vote."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 09, 2018, 05:51:37 PM
The linked Bloomberg article provides a convenient (and conservative) summary of legal threats to Donald J. Trump, including whether Cohen was involved in the 2016 campaign and why $4.4 million in transactions passed through Cohen's company named Essential Consultants just before the 2016 election.

Title: "From Collusion to Cohen, Tallying Trump's Legal Risks"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-09/from-collusion-to-cohen-tallying-trump-s-legal-risks-quicktake
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 09, 2018, 05:59:49 PM
Through its investigation, the committee found that Russia-linked hackers were in a position to “alter or delete voter registration data” in a small number of states before the 2016 vote."
The fact that they didn't use this unique opportunity must weigh heavily in Putin's favor. :)


Seriously, after Snowdon and Assange's revelations of the NSA's ability to mimic anyone's computer's signature, revelations that a particular group did this or that on the internet just aren't credible.


Doesn't the United States Senate have anything better to do?
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 09, 2018, 06:29:55 PM
The trolls are going to be out in force in coming weeks and months.  As more and more people begin to see just how widespread and DEEP the Russia involvement is with the Trump campaign staff ...... and how involved MANY of those in Congress are with the COVER UP of those issues.

This is going to be quit the spectacle in coming weeks and months.

Mitch McConnell is going to have his "day in the barrel" as well as Paul Ryan, Nunes, Chaffetz, Guiliani, the whole Trump campaign staff..... and the whole Trump family.

And now that Vladi has ENGINEERED his latest 6 stint as the lead corrupter of Russia (and ripping off the Russian people) ..... things could heat up at home for him in the coming year or two.  I sure would hate to see a despicable person like Vladi be taken down by his own people.   ;)

But for NOW..... the spotlight is on Traitor Trump and his corrupt and inept band of clowns.


Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 09, 2018, 08:06:57 PM
In addition to AT&T and a Russian oligarch payments, now a Swiss pharmaceutical company (Novartis) admits to funneling $1 million to Michael Cohen's Essential Consultants, LLC, in an attempt to influence US healthcare policies:

Title: "Swiss Pharmaceutical Giant Admits $1 Million in Cohen Payments—Mueller Is Scrutinizing Them"

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/swiss-pharmaceutical-giant-admits-1-million-cohen-payments-mueller-scrutinizing

Extract: "This story keeps getting worse for the president's embattled fixer.

After the initial meeting in March 2017, Novartis said it quickly “determined that Michael Cohen and Essential Consultants would be unable to provide the services that Novartis had anticipated related to US healthcare policy matters” and decided not to further engage with him. But they said they were already locked into a one-year term."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 09, 2018, 08:56:20 PM
Buddy
How's that $40/bbl oil prediction going?
$77.19 is what I'm showing.


I think you will get your $40 oil well before "Vladi is "taken down by his own people"
Where do you get such strange ideas?
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 09, 2018, 10:37:48 PM
Treasury apparently is opening an investigation into how Avenatti, Stormy's lawyer, came into possession of Cohen's bank records. Not the FBI, but Treasury.

Mueller had access, but to leak that information to another would be a criminal matter.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-09/treasury-launches-probe-how-cohens-bank-records-were-leaked-avenatti
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 09, 2018, 11:05:58 PM
It seems most likely to me that Avenatti came into possession of Cohn's financial records through the discovery process of the civil lawsuit that he is leading on behalf of Stormy Daniels; and that it is perfectly legal for Avenatti to make public such information.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 09, 2018, 11:11:25 PM
It seems most likely to me that Avenatti came into possession of Cohn's financial records through the discovery process of the civil lawsuit that he is leading on behalf of Stormy Daniels; and that it is perfectly legal for Avenatti to make public such information.
The Treasury Department apparently disagrees.  :-[
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 10, 2018, 12:01:42 AM
The linked Think Progress article clearly links the $500K paid to Michael Cohen back to a subsidiary owned by the Vekselberg company that is controlled by a Russian oligarch:

Title: "This is the website the Russian-linked company that paid Michael Cohen $500K didn’t want you to see"

https://thinkprogress.org/this-is-the-website-the-russian-linked-company-who-paid-michael-cohen-500k-didnt-want-you-to-see-93c5f39eeb66/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Extract: "A company that paid Michael Cohen $500,000 says it is not controlled by a Russian oligarch. An archived version of that Russian’s website indicates otherwise.

But an archived version of the site from January 2017, the time the payments began, shows that Columbus Nova was listed as part of the “Renova group structure” alongside other subsidiary companies of Renova Group.

The website clearly indicates that, at the time the payments were made to Cohen, Columbus Nova was considered a subsidiary of Renova Group, the Vekselberg company."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 10, 2018, 12:25:36 AM
From the above quoted article:

"Columbus Nova is correct that as a formal legal matter, the company is “owned by Americans.” The current CEO is Andrew Intrater, an American citizen who, according to SEC filings, is Vekselberg’s cousin (http://sec.edgar-online.com/columbus-acquisition-corp/s-1a-securities-registration-statement/2007/05/18/section25.aspx)."

I'd think looking up the ownership of Columbus Nova through it's licensing might be easier, but whatever ices their cake.

Is anyone looking into the possibility that any of these oligarchs might have given money to charities controlled by Donalds opposition in the last race?
If not, why would that be?
Terry

Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 10, 2018, 05:27:40 PM
Cohen never registered as a lobbyist yet he was marketing access to Trump.  Hopefully, Mueller can show that bot Cohen, & Kushner, were breaking lobbyist laws:

Title: "To ‘Cash In’ on Trump’s Presidency, Michael Cohen Sold Clients on Secrecy and Access"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/to-cash-in-on-trumps-presidency-michael-cohen-sold-clients-on-secrecy-and-access?ref=home

Extract: "He never registered as a federal lobbyist. He made more than they did."

&

Title: "Cohen referred client with Kushner ties to lobbying firm"

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/387032-cohen-referred-client-with-kushner-ties-to-lobbying

Extract: "One of the clients Michael Cohen referred to law and lobbying firm Squire Patton Boggs during a “strategic partnership” is a company with ties to Kushner Cos., according to The Wall Street Journal."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 10, 2018, 09:25:45 PM
Ryan is provide Nunes with political cover that is allowing Nunes to obstruct justice in the Mueller investigation.  This highlights the importance of flipping control of the House in November.

Title: ”Ryan backs Nunes in his latest pursuit of classified DOJ documents"

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/387124-ryan-backs-nunes-in-his-latest-pursuit-of-classified-russia

Extract: "Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) is backing the latest efforts of House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) to obtain classified documents from the Department of Justice (DOJ) as it relates to the federal investigation into Russian election meddling.

"I think this request is wholly appropriate and is completely within the scope of the investigation that has been ongoing for awhile with respect to [the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act]," Ryan said Thursday during his weekly press conference."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 11, 2018, 01:04:39 AM
Stormy's lawyer may be in trouble with California, with past business associates, and with the IRS,

38 pages of California Attorney Complaint forms from back in March.
$5M from one operation and $1.5M from another owed to the IRS
Pleading the 5th over releasing Cohen's bank records.
Releasing the wrong Michael Cohen's records, twice?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-10/avenatti-exposed-stormys-lawyer-may-face-disbarrment-legal-action-past-catches

I could have torn out each allegation and posted them separately, but in the interest of clarity decided to link the Zerohedge article

What an attorney - for now. On the other hand who else would you expect to be representing Stormy Daniels?
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 11, 2018, 05:32:10 PM
I posted the following in 'The Trump Presidency' thread on February 22 2017

"The linked article is entitled: “Deeper and darker: Trump’s unknown financial connections to Russia may hold the key to the widening scandal”.  We will see how deep this hole goes:

http://www.salon.com/2017/02/21/deeper-and-darker-trumps-unknown-financial-connections-to-russia-may-hold-the-key-to-the-widening-scandal/

Extract: “Deeper and deeper: Congress wakes up as Trump's ties to Russia look more tangled and troubling than ever.

Over the weekend, a startling new report appeared in The New York Times:

A week before Michael T. Flynn resigned as national security adviser, a sealed proposal was hand-delivered to his office, outlining a way for President Trump to lift sanctions against Russia. Mr. Flynn is gone, having been caught lying about his own discussion of sanctions with the Russian ambassador. But the proposal, a peace plan for Ukraine and Russia, remains, along with those pushing it: Michael D. Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, who delivered the document; Felix H. Sater, a business associate who helped Mr. Trump scout deals in Russia; and a Ukrainian lawmaker trying to rise in a political opposition movement shaped in part by Mr. Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort.”"

We now know that Cohen's shell company (Essential Consultants) received Russian-linked payments (from Russian oligarch Vekselberg' company), and that he met with Trump in the Oval Office, and hand-delivered proposal for lifting sanctions. The Russian payment to Cohen happened in Jan. 2017 and was followed by his visit to Flynn on Feb. 6.

This quid pro quo string of events apparently ties Donald Trump to bribery charges w.r.t. to Russian payments.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 11, 2018, 07:55:46 PM
Mueller continues to follow the money trail:

Title: "Mueller Asking Witnesses About Millions of Dollars to Trump's Inauguration From Donors With Ties to Russia"

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/mueller-asking-witnesses-about-millions-dollars-trumps-inauguration-donors-ties

Extract: "The special counsel's team appears to be following the money."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 11, 2018, 10:09:00 PM
Team Trump are already calling for the Mueller and Cohen investigations to conclude soon, but in reality they are only getting started:

Title: "Michael Avenatti Warns Michael Cohen: I Still Have More Documents To Release"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-avenatti-michael-cohen_us_5af50185e4b032b10bf90a16

Extract: "“We haven’t even scratched the surface with this email today and the information that we released earlier in the week,” Avenatti said on CNN on Thursday. “We’ve got emails, we’ve got text messages, we’ve got other financial information, and people better be very careful in the representations that they make.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 11, 2018, 10:14:49 PM
Mr. Vice President: 'What did you know, and when did you know it?'

Title: "Why Is Mike Pence Calling for an End to the Mueller Probe?"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/mike-pence-calls-for-an-end-to-the-mueller-probe-what-is-he-afraid-of.html

Extract: " The timing of Pence’s call for an end to the Mueller investigation coincided with the news that the subsidiary investment arm of a firm owned by a Russian oligarch, Viktor Vekselberg, had paid Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, $500,000. This news was accompanied by a series of damaging confirmations of payments to Cohen by AT&T, Novartis, and Korean Aerospace as well as news that Vekselberg’s subsidiary investment firm had purchased alt-right domain names.

Given what we know about the investigation and Pence’s role in it, the vice president is likely being considered a witness at the very least and has the high potential to be considered a subject, or even a target. Given the facts, Pence’s call for an end to the investigation should be read as a callous political ploy and perhaps as a self-interested effort to ensure that evidence of his own potentially criminal role in this scandal does not see the light of day."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 11, 2018, 10:25:06 PM
ASLR
Do you think Avenatti will have the right Michael Cohen's files - this time?
You don't think that Mueller could have given Cohen's banking records to Avenatti do you?


Anyone who still owes a $160.000 for coffee needs to calm down and get some sleep. 8)
That's enough to give anyone the jitters.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 11, 2018, 11:17:38 PM

Extract: "The special counsel's team appears to be following the money."


Is anyone looking into the $50.000.000 that Soros and 7 to 10 other donors have dumped into this "investigation"?
$50.000.000 sounds like the kind of money that you'd spend to keep something quiet, rather than the kind of money usually spent trying to learn something.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-28/secret-trump-russia-investigation-continues-50-million-group-mystery-wealthy-donors
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 12, 2018, 12:43:30 AM
Loser Trump doesn't even know how to respond to Avenatti:

Title: "Trump Has No Plan to Counterpunch Michael Avenatti"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-has-no-plan-for-michael-avenatti

Extract: "Avenatti emphatically denied that any “political party or PAC” was “funding this effort.” And, as mostly happens these days, the news cycle moved on.

But the fact that he was only then being asked those questions exposed something totally out of place about the Trump-world scandal du jour.

For weeks, Avenatti has been a thorn in the president’s side. In seemingly endless and continuous string of cable news hits, he has called into question the veracity of Trump’s insistence that there was no affair with Daniels. He has pursued legal challenges to a non-disclosure agreement between Daniels and the president’s top fixer, Michael Cohen. He has vexed the president’s own legal team, getting them to haphazardly admit that Trump knew about hush money payments. And he has exposed a secretive network of finances that allowed Cohen to both pay off Daniels (and, potentially, other women) as well as recruit business for a shadow-lobbying operation during the Trump administration.

Avenatti has done it all with little, if any, coordinated pushback from the president or his allies.

For Avenatti, however, the absence of pushback from Trumpland is not indicative of a well-thought out game plan but, rather, of the absence of a gameplan at all."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 12, 2018, 12:53:27 AM
Muhammad Ali would be proud of the 'rope a dope' tactics that Avenatti is using on Loser Trump:

Title: "Joe Scarborough Defends Stormy Daniels Attorney Michael Avenatti: 'He's doing what Trump Always Does'"

http://www.newsweek.com/joe-scarborough-defends-michael-avenatti-stormy-daniels-lawyer-cohen-trump-921720

Extract: "Joe Scarborough came to the defense of Stormy Daniels's attorney Michael Avenatti during Morning Joe on Friday, telling a guest on his show that the lawyer's myriad media appearances may actually be helping his case. He noted that Avenatti appears to be taking a page out of President Donald Trump's own playbook by saturating himself in the press.

Scarborough then noted that Avenatti has been largely successful, reasoning that his appearances are likely part of a larger strategy."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 12, 2018, 04:10:38 PM
Avenatti is on Trump like bees on honey.  He continues to pressure Trump and toy with him.  The intertwined Trump issues continue to unwind.  If I were Mitch McConnel ... I would start to worry.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 12, 2018, 04:14:05 PM
This information could link payments by Vekselberg's foundation to Cohen back to Putin:

Title: "Oligarch linked to Cohen payment was flagged by FBI for possible ties to Russian intelligence"

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/387276-fbi-warned-of-russian-intelligence-links-to-oligarch-in-cohen

Extract: "The FBI cautioned four years ago that a foundation controlled by Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg might be a conduit for Russian espionage, NPR reports."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 12, 2018, 04:20:07 PM
If Team Trump was being objective, why would they call for the Mueller Investigation to end while the Senate Intelligence Committee is still actively investigating Russigate, and its associate matters (like obstruction of justice)?  Obviously, because they only know how to behave in a self-serving manner, rather than in a manner that serves the nation:

Title: "Senate panel invites Comey, former officials to briefing in Russia probe"

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/387346-senate-intel-invites-comey-former-officials-to-closed-briefing-in

Extract: "The Senate Intelligence Committee is expressing an interest in hearing from former FBI Director James Comey again as part of its investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The committee announced in a notice issued Friday afternoon that it has invited Comey and three other former top intelligence officials to a closed-door hearing next week."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 12, 2018, 04:31:53 PM
The publically available information paints a damning picture of the Trump-Russia conspiracy, so just image how much more information Mueller already has, and he is still investigating:

Title: "The public case against Trump"

https://www.axios.com/trump-russia-mueller-investigation-michael-cohen-paul-manafort-bcfe40c6-7592-4347-a6be-20ff562058f0.html

Extract: " One thing is true of all major political scandals: What we know in the moment is but a tiny, obscured, partial view of the full story later revealed by investigators.

Why it matters: That’s what makes the Trump-Russia drama all the more remarkable. Forget all we don’t know. The known facts that even Trump’s closest friends don’t deny tell a damning tale that would sink most leaders."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 12, 2018, 04:35:48 PM
The linked article confirms that Cohen not only a fixer but also a shakedown artist:

Title: "WSJ: Mueller asked Ford for records of conversation with Michael Cohen"

https://www.axios.com/wsj-mueller-asked-ford-for-records-of-conversation-with-michael-cohen-8530fbdb-1793-445f-a757-d86dea3e8cc3.html?utm_source=sidebar

Extract: "The Wall Street Journal is reporting that special counsel Robert Mueller has requested records from Ford Motor Company about a conversation the company had with Michael Cohen in January 2017 during which Cohen offered his consulting services — which the automaker swiftly rejected."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 12, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
It is no surprise that the majority of the 2016 Russian Facebook ads were about race, as Trump's dog whistle message to his base is that Trump would help to continue the suppression of minorities:

Title: "Russian ads focused overwhelmingly on race"

https://www.axios.com/facebook-russian-ads-focused-overwhelmingly-on-race-1526131445-a6bb9c64-fd14-4607-8ee4-fceae5461142.html?utm_source=sidebar

Extract: ""We read every one of the 3,517 Facebook ads bought by Russians. Their dominant strategy: Sowing racial discord," report USA Today's Nick Penzenstadler, Brad Heath and Jessica Guynn.

The big picture: "Of the roughly 3,500 ads published this week [by the House Intelligence Committee], more than half — about 1,950 — made express references to race. Those accounted for 25 million ad impressions — a measure of how many times the spot was pulled from a server for transmission to a device.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 12, 2018, 07:01:31 PM
SEAN HANNITY ........

Why are you avoiding Michael Avenatti?


Why don't you strap on a pair and interview him on your show?  What are you afraid of?  What are you trying to hide?

https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/994387426956234752
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 13, 2018, 03:51:51 PM
Nunes' behavior has become so much that of a desperate man that Paul Ryan had to assign Trey Gowdy as his babysitter during last week's meeting with the DOJ:

Title: "House Speaker Ryan ordered Trey Gowdy to babysit Devin Nunes when he met with DOJ officials: report"

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/house-speaker-ryan-ordered-trey-gowdy-babysit-devin-nunes-met-doj-officials-report/

Extract: "“The relationship between the Justice Department and Mr. Nunes has so eroded that when he trekked down Pennsylvania Avenue on Thursday from the Capitol to the department to discuss his latest request, Representative Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, a Republican colleague and former federal prosecutor, tagged along at the encouragement of the House speaker to help keep the meeting civil,” The Times reported."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 13, 2018, 08:52:26 PM
Cohen knew about Schneiderman's sexual habits since 2013 ... when Trump tweeted that Schneiderman might b next to go.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/nyregion/eric-schneiderman-michael-cohen.html

https://static01.nyt.com/files/2018/nyregion/cohen-schneiderman-letter.pdf

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 14, 2018, 05:01:14 PM
Steele's dossier says Putin gave Trump a brokerage fee from the sale of 19% of Rosneft. Avenatti said a top agent of Qatar Investment Authority (QIA); which bought the Rosneft stock, was secretly at Trump Tower 48 hours after the sale.

Title: "Michael Avenatti Posts Photos Of Cohen With Qatari Investor Accused Of Bribery"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/avenatti-posts-photos-of-cohen-kelly_us_5af8bfa4e4b00d7e4c1bb77e

Extract: "Stormy Daniels’ attorney Michael Avenatti posted photos Sunday on Twitter showing Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen getting into an elevator at Trump Tower with a man appearing to be a Qatari banker accused in a lawsuit affidavit of boasting that he bribed Washington politicians.

Avenatti said Cohen was in the building shortly after the presidential election meeting with a group of Qataris, including Ahmed al-Rumaihi, an official of  Qatar’s national wealth fund.

The photos of Cohen appear to be screengrabs of a video posted on C-Span from the “Trump Tower Cam” dated December 12, 2016. A group of men — including the man who appears to be al-Rumaihi — can be seen getting into an elevator with Cohen. Cohen pats one of the men on the back as the group enters the elevator."

Per the linked article on December 7, the oil company sold 19.5% of shares, worth roughly $11 billion, to the multinational commodity trader Glencore Plc and Qatar's state-owned wealth fund (QIA). Page  was back in Moscow on December 8, one day after the deal was signed, to "meet with some of the top managers" of Rosneft, he told reporters at the time.

Title: "Russia signs Rosneft deal with Qatar, Glencore"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-rosneft-privatisation-idUSKBN13Z0QB

Extract: "Russian state holding company Rosneftegaz on Saturday signed a deal with the Qatar Investment Authority (QIA) and commodities trader Glencore (GLEN.L) to sell a 19.5 percent stake in state-owned oil major Rosneft (ROSN.MM), Rosneft said."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 14, 2018, 05:17:22 PM
Per Seth Abramson's tweets today, include:

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/995860490000699392

" '15—Putin/Italy's ambassador discuss Rosneft 3/'16—Papadopoulos goes to Italy; Kremlin—Mifsud—contacts him 4/'16—Trump invites Italy's ambassador to the Mayflower 12/'16—Rosneft/Italy's Eni strike deal; Italian banks aid Rosneft/Qatar sale '17—Italian intel helps hide Mifsud"
&
" 12/1: Flynn and Kushner and (?)* secretly meet Putin's top US agent. 12/10: Rosneft sells a 19.5% stake. 12/12: Flynn and Cohen and (?) secretly meet the Rosneft buyer. 12/13: Flynn and Kushner and (?) secretly meet Putin's banker. * (?) could be Trump or others."
&
"It has been assumed that—if the Steele Dossier's intel is accurate—the reason the Dossier says the Rosneft sale was of 19% but the amount of Rosneft bought was 19.5% is that the additional 0.5% was transferred to Trump as a brokerage fee. A 0.5% cut would be over $282 million."

See also the following linked 09 October 2017 Rosneft article:

Title: "Rosneft Closes the Deal to Acquire a 30% Stake in Zohr Gas Field"

https://www.rosneft.com/press/releases/item/188045/
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 14, 2018, 05:23:23 PM
I note that as Flynn was at the Dec. 12, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with the QIA (Qatar Investment Authority) representative, it is safe to assume that Mueller has known about this meeting for many months.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 14, 2018, 06:49:30 PM
The Mueller investigation is steadily filling in details associate with a potential 2016 Trump-Russia conspiracy; just as if he were investigating an international criminal syndicate involving not only Russians and Americans but also: Italians, Qataris, Saudis, Israelis, etc.

Title: "Mueller's Probe Is Even More Expansive Than It Seems"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/muellers-probe-is-more-expansive-than-it-seems/560255/

Extract: "FBI agents working for special counsel Robert Mueller allegedly detained a lawyer with ties to Russia who is closely associated with Joseph Mifsud, the shadowy professor who claimed during the election that Russia had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton.

The revelation was made in a book co-written by that lawyer, Stephan Roh, and set to be published next month. “The Faking of RUSSIA-GATE: The Papadopoulos Case” is the latest in a stream of books aiming to capitalize on the chaos of this political moment. But it sheds new light on the expansive nature of Mueller’s investigation into Russia’s election interference and possible ties between President Donald Trump’s campaign team and Moscow. It also highlights Mueller’s interest in answering one of the probe’s biggest outstanding questions: whether the campaign knew in advance that Russia planned to interfere in the election."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 14, 2018, 08:40:08 PM
Don't forget .... if Michael Cohen flips, not only is Donnie toast, so is the RNC.  Mitt Romney's NIECE is now the head of the RNC ..... she would be toast as well.  And Reince Preibus is the "old" head of the RNC (during the election) and he would be toast.  As would Paul Ryan and Kevin McCarthy (because they KNEW ABOUT IT AND DIDN'T DO ANYTHING).

If Michael flips ...... a LOT of people are going to be taken down with him.

Michael Cohen maintains RNC role, despite ongoing controversies

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/michael-cohen-maintains-rnc-role-despite-ongoing-controversies?cid=sm_fb_maddow
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 14, 2018, 09:31:32 PM
Mueller indicted a company that that didn't even exist!


https://www.dailywire.com/news/30556/disaster-mueller-indicted-russian-company-didnt-ryan-saavedra

(https://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/uploads/2018/05/robert_mueller.jpg?itok=YHXmu9on)

Questions raised in the court transcripts about indicting the proverbial ham sandwich.

This is not from the onion!
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on May 14, 2018, 09:51:21 PM
Mueller indicted a company that that didn't even exist!


https://www.dailywire.com/news/30556/disaster-mueller-indicted-russian-company-didnt-ryan-saavedra

Questions raised in the court transcripts about indicting the proverbial ham sandwich.

This is not from the onion!
Terry

Of course, a source outside of the right-wing echo chamber will give a more balanced description of the events:
Russian firm pleads not guilty in Mueller election case
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/09/mueller-russia-probe-concord-management-pleads-not-guilty-578535 (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/09/mueller-russia-probe-concord-management-pleads-not-guilty-578535)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 14, 2018, 10:40:13 PM
Mueller indicted a company that that didn't even exist!


https://www.dailywire.com/news/30556/disaster-mueller-indicted-russian-company-didnt-ryan-saavedra (https://www.dailywire.com/news/30556/disaster-mueller-indicted-russian-company-didnt-ryan-saavedra)

Questions raised in the court transcripts about indicting the proverbial ham sandwich.

This is not from the onion!
Terry

Of course, a source outside of the right-wing echo chamber will give a more balanced description of the events:
Russian firm pleads not guilty in Mueller election case
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/09/mueller-russia-probe-concord-management-pleads-not-guilty-578535 (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/09/mueller-russia-probe-concord-management-pleads-not-guilty-578535)

From your link:

The government indicted a proverbial ham sandwich — somebody that didn't exist ... at the time period alleged by the government," the defense attorney said.

Mueller managed to indict a company that didn't exist. The "ham sandwich" is in reference to a 1985 article in which a NY judge told a reporter that "prosecutors have so much influence over grand juries that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich."

How does one give "ballance" to the fact that Mueller indicted a non existent company for a crime? You can bury it in the middle of an article, but you can't really "balance" such an obvious abuse.
If Mueller can do this to a nonexistent entity, he's certainly capable of doing the same to an actual entity that has no knowledge of the made up crime. It has nothing to do with the reporter's politics as it's simply a copy of the court transcript.

Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 14, 2018, 11:05:41 PM
Mr Al-Rumahihi seems to have been quite busy bribing Team Trump in 2016.  With so many meetings on Trump properties it is difficult to imagine that Trump was not at any of these meetings::

Title: "Qatari Investor Accused in Bribery Plot Appears With Michael Cohen in Picture Posted by Stormy Daniels’ Lawyer"

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/05/qatari-investor-accused-in-bribery-plot-appears-with-michael-cohen-in-picture-posted-by-stormy-daniels-lawyer/

Extract: "Ice Cube, the rapper and actor, and his business partner, Jeff Kwatinetz, recently filed a $1.2 billion lawsuit that includes an allegation that Al-Rumaihi and other Qatari officials who invested in the men’s BIG3 basketball league indicated interest in gaining access to people connected to Trump. “Mr Al-Rumaihi requested I set up a meeting between him, the Qatari government, and Stephen Bannon, and to tell Steve Bannon that Qatar would underwrite all of his political efforts in return for his support,” Kwatinetz said in the court filing. Kwatinetz says he rejected the offer, which he viewed as a bribe.

In response, Kwatinetz claims, “Al-Rumaihi laughed and then stated to me that I shouldn’t be naive, that so many Washington politicians take our money, and stated ‘do you think Flynn turned down our money?’” That’s a reference to Michael Flynn, who was fired as Trump’s national security adviser after lying about his contacts with then Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 15, 2018, 12:09:44 AM
ASLR


Can you explain how the above has any connection to Stormy Daniels, or her case?


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 15, 2018, 12:37:50 AM
Avenatti is following the money trail, no matter how crooked/twisted it is:

Title: "Week 51: Avenatti Strips Cohen to His Bare Essentials"

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/12/week-51-avenatti-exposes-cohens-naked-greed-218361

Extract: "The porn star’s lawyer plays TV prosecutor with the bank records of Trump’s attorney and a Russian oligarch’s name emerges."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 15, 2018, 12:44:39 AM
Avenatti is well aware that Trump is running out of time to come clean:

Title: "Out of loopholes, Trump must disclose Stormy Daniels debt in next financial report"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/05/14/donald-trump-stormy-daniels-michael-cohen-financial-disclosure-column/605893002/

Extract: "Trump is out of loopholes. After failing to disclose his Stormy Daniels debt to Michael Cohen, he needs to come clean in his next financial report on that debt and any others he may have left out.

Under the Ethics in Government Act, he has to disclose all liabilities that exceeded $10,000 at any time during calendar year 2017, even if he repaid them later that year. That includes his debt to Michael Cohen for the $130,000 payment Cohen made in October 2016 to adult film star Stormy Daniels (real name Stephanie Clifford)."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: miki on May 15, 2018, 01:35:01 AM
And this one:

Michael Avenatti’s Mother’s Day bombshell, explained.
Stormy Daniels' lawyer doesn't take a day off.

https://thinkprogress.org/michael-avenattis-mothers-day-bombshell-explained-5492cd792fcf/

"Why was Ahmed Al-Rumaihi meeting with Michael Cohen and Michael Flynn in December 2016 and why did Mr. Al-Rumaihi later brag about bribing administration officials according to a sworn declaration filed in court?" Avenatti's tweet.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 15, 2018, 07:41:34 AM
Let's see if Mueller gets lucky with a judge this time around. I think he might

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/387666-mueller-team-urges-federal-judge-to-turn-down-request-for-hearing-on

but he is in deeper waters with Concord Consulting (not to mention the nonexistent Concord catering) as Wheeler points out:

"asking the judge to make sure prosecutors explained to the grand jury that they had to find that IRA knew that it was violating US law."

"it argues that the indictment couldn’t charge ConFraudUs because none of the Russians involved knew they had to register with the government before engaging in online trolling (they note they’re going to make similar challenges with respect to other charges in the future)"

"The filing claims that this indictment is, “a case that has absolutely nothing to do with any links or coordination between any candidate and the Russian Government.” While it is true that Rod Rosenstein emphasized there was no allegation in the current indictment that any American knowingly conspired with these Russians, there are actually three Trump campaign staffers described in a way in the indictment that may reflect they’re still under investigation."

"But if Concord can get this conspiracy charge thrown out before then, it’s going to undercut any effort to claim the conspiracy that will be critical to substantiating the collusion charge even if Mueller presents clear evidence of an agreement to carry out this trolling."

"Because Mueller named a corporate person, he provided a way for the Russians to otherwise undercut a theory that seems central to the effort to hold Trump and the Russians accountable."

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/05/14/concord-aims-to-make-russian-bots-legal/

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 15, 2018, 07:50:24 AM
Wait, what ? Deripaska is FBI agent ?

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflict-and-it-leads-directly-to-a-russian-oligarch

"There's a thousand Communist Party members in the USA; 499 are FBI, 500 are CIA, and we don't know but we thing the last one is Secret Service."

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 15, 2018, 06:55:27 PM
Uh oh......  ::)

Michael Avenatti Corroborates Key Piece in Trump-Russia Investigation

http://www.bluedotdaily.com/michael-avenatti-corroborates-key-piece-in-trump-russia-investigation/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=LL

Investigative Journalist Blows Trump’s Qatari Bribery Scandal Wide Open with Photos and Video

http://www.bluedotdaily.com/investigative-journalist-blows-trumps-qatari-bribery-scandal-wide-open-with-photos-and-video/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=LL
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 15, 2018, 09:27:23 PM
Looks like Stefan Halper is in this neck deep. He has form, deep spook, hangs with Dearlove, ex head of MI6. Father in law was Ray Cline, CIA. Gets paid generously by the US government for undisclosed project. Set up Papadoupolos meet, Carter Page meet, Mifsud meets. Looks like DOJ was attempting to hide his identity from Nunes, but alas ...

https://www.themarketswork.com/2018/05/10/ties-that-bind-stefan-halper-joseph-mifsud-alexander-downer-papadopoulos/

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/05/stefan_halper_and_the_origins_of_the_fbi_counterintelligence_investigation_of_the_trump_campaign.html

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/05/the_office_of_national_assessment_paid_stefan_halper__why.html

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on May 15, 2018, 10:36:50 PM
https://www.americanthinker.com[...]
Ha? Hahaaahahahaha: S. Fred Singer (infamous science bullshitter) is still alive and kicking!  :o  Last vital sign:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/does_the_greenhouse_gas_co2_cool_the_climate.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 16, 2018, 12:21:44 AM
Ha? Hahaaahahahaha: S. Fred Singer (infamous science bullshitter) is still alive and kicking!


They must thaw him out each spring, then pop him back into the freezer before the mold starts to grow. ???


Only the Good Die Young
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 16, 2018, 03:09:36 AM
Mueller is on a roll:

Title: "Federal judge rejects Manafort's bid to dismiss Mueller indictment"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/15/manafort-mueller-indictment-590215

Extract: "A federal judge on Tuesday rejected an attempt by Paul Manafort, a former Trump campaign chairman, to get an indictment against him dismissed by claiming that special counsel Robert Mueller’s appointment was flawed.

In a blow to Manafort’s defense, U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson ruled that Mueller’s prosecution of the longtime political consultant on charges of money laundering and failing to register as a foreign agent for Ukraine was “squarely” within the authority that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein granted to Mueller last May."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: magnamentis on May 16, 2018, 09:27:48 PM
Ha? Hahaaahahahaha: S. Fred Singer (infamous science bullshitter) is still alive and kicking!


They must thaw him out each spring, then pop him back into the freezer before the mold starts to grow. ???


Only the Good Die Young
Terry

i find you quite ok even though you're old and still alive like myself LOL
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 16, 2018, 11:30:40 PM
Mueller will soon find out whether he can squeeze intel from Stone:

Title: "Mueller issues grand jury subpoenas to Trump adviser's social media consultant"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-mueller/mueller-issues-grand-jury-subpoenas-to-trump-advisers-social-media-consultant-idUSKCN1IH2OB

Extract: "U.S. Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller has issued two subpoenas to a social media expert who worked for longtime Donald Trump adviser Roger Stone during the 2016 presidential election campaign.

The subpoenas suggest that Mueller, who is probing Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, is focusing in part on Stone and whether he might have had advance knowledge of material allegedly hacked by Russian intelligence and sent to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who published it."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 16, 2018, 11:37:25 PM
The Senate Intel. Comm. confirms Russian (Putin ordered) meddling in favor of Trump in the 2016 election:

Title: "Senate GOP finds Russia meddled in 2016 election, breaking with House"

https://www.axios.com/senate-gop-house-republicans-russia-meddling-e4f46fc6-3ec0-49c4-b719-0efc79a0a558.html?utm_source=sidebar

Extract: "The Senate Intelligence Committee on Wednesday announced they back prior findings by U.S. intelligence agencies that conclude Russia meddled in the 2016 U.S. election in an effort to boost Donald Trump’s campaign.

Why it matters: Their findings break from the Republican House Intelligence Committee which announced in March they found no evidence of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 16, 2018, 11:43:50 PM
Rudy Giuliani said today that Team Mueller told him that Mueller is following DOJ guidelines that Mueller cannot indict a sitting president.  If so that means that Trump can never be a target in his investigation as targets are subject to indictment.

Edit: Subsequently, Giuliani has walked back his original statement & he now says that Mueller never told him that Team Mueller could not indict Trump.

No wonder Trump is not paying Giuliani anything for being on his legal team.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 16, 2018, 11:51:07 PM
The Office of Government Ethics slaps Trump's wrist, and refers the matter to Rosenstein:

Title: "Ethics chief knocks Trump over Stormy Daniels payment"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/16/federal-ethics-office-says-trump-should-have-disclosed-stormy-daniels-payment-last-year-591886

Extract: "The president's reimbursement of the $130,000 paid to the adult film actress wasn’t included on last year’s financial form."

Edit, see also:

Title: "Trump’s new Stormy Daniels money disclosure may have gotten him in even more legal trouble"

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/16/17361704/trump-financial-disclosure-stormy-cohen-ethics

Extract: "President Donald Trump has now admitted repaying Michael Cohen more than $100,000 for the Stormy Daniels hush money on his new financial disclosure form — but the admission may have gotten him into even more legal trouble.

That’s because David Apol, the acting director of the Office of Government Ethics (OGE), is disputing Trump’s assertion that he wasn’t required to report the debt — and has sent along the matter for Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to look into.

Apol wrote that an outside group requested he investigate whether Trump was legally required to report his debt to Cohen on last year’s financial disclosure form (which Trump did not do). Apol concluded that, yes, Trump was legally required to report it. And he wrote that Rosenstein may find that information “relevant to any inquiry you may be pursuing.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 17, 2018, 04:34:42 AM
It looks (to me) like Cohen is going to be in a lot of trouble

Title: "Missing Files Motivated the Leak of Michael Cohen’s Financial Records"

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/missing-files-motivated-the-leak-of-michael-cohens-financial-records

Extract: "Last week, several news outlets obtained financial records showing that Michael Cohen, President Trump’s personal attorney, had used a shell company to receive payments from various firms with business before the Trump Administration. In the days since, there has been much speculation about who leaked the confidential documents, and the Treasury Department’s inspector general has launched a probe to find the source. That source, a law-enforcement official, is speaking publicly for the first time, to The New Yorker, to explain the motivation: the official had grown alarmed after being unable to find two important reports on Cohen’s financial activity in a government database. The official, worried that the information was being withheld from law enforcement, released the remaining documents."

See also:

Title: "Report: Official leaked Michael Cohen’s financial transactions because of fears over missing records"

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/16/17363242/michael-cohen-trump-avenatti-leaks-financial-records

Extract: "A whistleblower told the New Yorker that documents related to suspicious activity by Cohen were missing from a government database."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 17, 2018, 01:25:03 PM
If the alt-right is correct that a Deep State exists, then per the "Crossfire Hurricane" FBI investigation details discussed in the linked article, the Deep State must have favored Trump over Clinton prior to the 2016 election (so if you believe that you should fight the Deep State then you should resist Trump):

Title: "Here’s Your Unclassified Briefing on Secret Government Code Names"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/fbi-code-names-investigations-crossfire-hurricane.html

See also:

Title: "What Is "Crossfire Hurricane"? The FBI Trump & Russia Probe Got Its Name From A Rolling Stones Song"

https://www.bustle.com/p/what-is-crossfire-hurricane-the-fbi-trump-russia-probe-got-its-name-from-a-rolling-stones-song-9112994
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on May 17, 2018, 01:33:54 PM
The Deep State, or MIC, wants maximum distraction, hence the election of Trump, followed by Russiagate and its myriad of sideshows. The next step is another Corporate Democrat in 2020, or after Trump's second term. And then it will be time for something worse than Trump.

Keep up the good work, everyone!
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 17, 2018, 02:26:28 PM
Yes ..... I love the talk of "the deep state".  What other fairy tales will we here from the second rate comedian and wanna-be pundit Jimmy Dore?

Remember ..... he was the one saying that it was all "smoke and mirrors".  Jimmy Dore poo pood the largest political story in US historY.

The "Russia... Russia....Russia" investigation has a LONG way to go, and my dear pal Traitor Donnie will NOT be around for the end of it.  It will dig into the core of companies like Cambridge Analytica, the NRA, the RNC, and individuals like the Mercer's.

The investigation will lead to a record number of criminal indictments; it will HOPEFULLY lead to an overhaul of campaign finance laws; it will likely lead to an overhaul of campaign disclosure laws; etc.

You don't just "ignore" the largest scandal in US political history.  You enforce current laws, and you legislate NEW tougher laws.

I hope it also leads to an investigation of ANY journalists, or any news outlets that were WORKING WITH (AND COMMUNICATING WITH) any candidates for office OR office holders.  Journalists of ANY STRIPE should NOT be allowed to function as an extension of ANY PARTY or ANY CANDIDATE.  PERIOD.  FULL STOP.

I would hope that the US people will demand that of our political process. 

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 17, 2018, 08:02:12 PM
Was the Trump World Tower Moscow negotiations merely a cover for Cohen (& Slater) to maintain contact with the Kremlin until deep into the 2016 election?  If so, Cohen would become a 'big fish' in Mueller's Investigation:

Title: "The Crazy True Story of Trump Moscow

https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycormier/trump-moscow-micheal-cohen-felix-sater-campaign?utm_term=.exOBEEewDY#.fajyoo1gQ7

Extract: "All through the hot summer campaign of 2016, as Donald Trump and his aides dismissed talk of unseemly ties to Moscow, two of his key business partners were working furiously on a secret track: negotiations to build what would have been the tallest building in Europe and an icon of the Trump empire — the Trump World Tower Moscow.

Michael Cohen, the president’s embattled personal fixer, and Felix Sater, who helped negotiate deals around the world for Trump, led the effort. Working quietly behind the scenes, they tried to arrange a sit-down between Trump and Putin, the documents show. Those efforts ultimately fizzled. But the audacious venture has been a keen focus of federal investigators trying to determine if the Trump campaign colluded with the Kremlin.

Last month, Senate Intelligence Committee staffers peppered Sater for hours with questions about the Trump Moscow project. Sater testified that Cohen acted as the “intermediary” for Trump Moscow and was eager to see the deal through because he wanted to “score points with Trump.”

Sater also testified that Trump would regularly receive “short updates about the process of the deal.” Cohen has said that he briefed Trump three times on the deal, all before the end of January 2016. Cohen, the White House, and the Trump Organization did not return messages seeking comment."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 17, 2018, 08:12:59 PM
Judge Ellis should now be able to decide whether, or not, Muller has exceeded his mandate w.r.t. to his charges against Manafort in the U.S. District Court's Eastern District of Virginia, and I doubt that Team Trump will like his coming ruling on this matter:

Title: "Mueller hands judge full memo detailing Russia probe scope"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/17/mueller-investigation-memo-595129

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller appears to have provided a federal judge with an unredacted version of the Justice Department memo laying out the scope of his investigation and the potential crimes he's authorized to pursue.

The document was filed as an "unredacted memorandum" under seal with the U.S. District Court's Eastern District of Virginia, where Mueller is expected to try former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort on bank fraud charges.

Mueller's decision to share the classified document comes two weeks after the judge, T.S. Ellis, demanded to see the full scope memo, authored by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Earlier this month, Ellis called for the document during a hearing on Manafort's attempt to toss out some of the charges against him."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 18, 2018, 01:44:32 PM
I have now moved my “marker” on two important issues as of this morning:

1). I now believe that it is MORE LIKELY that Mueller (with Rosenstein’s blessing) will indict Trump.  In other words I believe the chances are somewhat greater than 50% that an indictment will be brought against Trump.  I also believe, that in coming weeks or next couple of months, that “marker” will be moved even further ..... % wise .... to the more likely camp.

2). I think the likelihood of Sean Hannity being charged in the case is now VERY LIKELY.... greater than 75% chance.

This onion has further to unravel ... and is going to get ugly.  Donnie thinks he is above the law, and he has gone too far over the tips of his skis.

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 18, 2018, 08:51:52 PM
Team Trump saying that Comey set Trump up is like going into court and telling the judge that the devil made me do it:

Title: "Trump’s New Russia Scandal Theory: The FBI Set Him Up. There’s One Small Flaw."

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/new-trump-russia-investigation-theory-fbi-spy-set-him-up.html

Extract: "There has been no more barometrically reliable insight into the Trump administration’s defense strategy on Russia than Wall Street Journal columnist Kimberley Strassel. Her weekly missives, essentially transcribed straight from the fevered mind of Devin Nunes, bring the readers up to date on every twist and turn in the developing conspiracy theories about the nefarious Deep State plot to frame the innocent president.

Strassel’s latest missive brings into view the latest working theory. It holds that James Comey planted a spy in the Trump campaign, in order to set in motion an investigation that would be used to smear Trump as a Russian tool, and thereby to hand the election to Hillary Clinton. This is the theory Trump is referring to when he rages about a plot that is “worse than Watergate.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 18, 2018, 10:44:35 PM
The Mueller investigation has more twists and turns than does climate change modeling (which is why Trump supporters just chant: "Witch Hunt" and "No Collusion", because it is so much simpler and satisfying to Trumps base).  Hopefully, Mueller will continue breaking-down his investigation to manageable sized indictment packages, and who knows whether Stone will soon be indicted (followed by many others before Mueller presents his case , or not, against Donald J. Trump):

Title: "Exclusive: Special Counsel subpoenas another Stone aide in Russia probe – sources"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-mueller-subpoena-exclusive/exclusive-special-counsel-subpoenas-another-stone-aide-in-russia-probe-sources-idUSKCN1IJ2MV

Extract: "U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller has subpoenaed a key assistant of long-time Donald Trump adviser Roger Stone, two people with knowledge of the matter said, the latest sign that Mueller’s investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election is increasingly focusing on Stone.

The subpoena was recently served on John Kakanis, 30, who has worked as a driver, accountant and operative for Stone.

Kakanis has been briefly questioned by the FBI on the topics of possible Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, the WikiLeaks website, its founder Julian Assange, and the hacker or hackers who call themselves Guccifer 2.0, one of the people with knowledge of the matter said.

Mueller has not scheduled a grand jury appearance for Kakanis, the person said."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 18, 2018, 11:37:04 PM
Imagine the best case scenario you think of in the removal of Trump. From resigning to indicted and getting jail time. How many go down with him? 6? 20? a few more possibly?

OK. Then what happens? People who voted for him still believe what they believe and will vote for another who presents the polices they want. Pence gets to be president. Hillary runs again next election. Those in the trump campaign and administration go find other jobs at the nearest K-Street office, at think tanks, and on $1mln plus salaries in the corporate world. Some may run for congress and win next cycle.

OK. Trumps gone. Now what? Muellar gets a medal for being a hero and the next elections come and go. The media stays the same. Everything stays the same. Seat warmers do not rate in the big scheme of things. Trump's expendable, so is Hillary. Everyone's expendable. And the dozens of new federal court judges being appointed by Trump and approved by the senate go gangbusters for the next 20-30 years at least.

But we got rid of Trump!  Yay!   :)

Hegel recommended that it best to convey truths about complex situations using art and metaphors, therefore I attach the first three images to convey the truth that as Gandhi said: "Whatever you do may seem insignificant to you, but it is most important that you do it."  While I attach the forth image to convey the truth of where will we will be collectively headed if we do not resist:
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 19, 2018, 12:03:02 AM
According to the Washington Post (and others), Team Trump is trying to 'out' FBI sources in the Mueller investigation in order to both obstruct the investigation and to endanger the lives of those sources:

Title: "Trump promotes claim of a "spy" in the campaign, that DOJ is "out to frame" him"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-tweets-about-a-spy-in-the-campaign-and-that-the-doj-is-out-to-frame-him/

Extract: "President Trump tweeted about a "Spy in the Trump Campaign" early Friday morning, citing a claim made by a Fox Business Network host. It marks the second time in two days that Mr. Trump has suggested federal law enforcement might have placed a spy on his presidential campaign.

Mr. Trump tweeted Thursday that "word seems to be coming out that the Obama FBI" spied on the campaign with an informant, citing a National Review article raising the possibility of an FBI spy on Mr. Trump's campaign.

"If so, this is bigger than Watergate!" he tweeted.

The National Review article cites work by Rep. Devin Nunes, an ardent Trump supporter and head of the House intelligence committee, who has demanded information on an FBI source in the Russia investigation. The New York Times reported separately this week that at least one government informant met several times with Carter Page and George Papadopoulos, both former foreign policy advisers on Trump's Republican campaign. The newspaper attributed the information to current and former FBI officials.

The Washington Post reported Thursday that Mr. Trump's circles are ramping up a campaign to undermine the special counsel's Russia investigation by exposing the role of a top-secret FBI source. According to the Post, DOJ and intelligence agency leaders warn that publicly identifying the confidential source would imperil operations and endanger lives."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 19, 2018, 12:36:50 AM
Hegel recommended that it best to convey truths about complex situations using art and metaphors, therefore I attach the first three images to convey the truth that as Gandhi said: "Whatever you do may seem insignificant to you, but it is most important that you do it."  While I attach the forth image to convey the truth of where will we will be collectively headed if we do not resist:

As different people have varying tastes in art/metaphors, I provide the attached images as variations on theme that in an ever changing world one needs to live and act in the moment (even if it seems that one is not making 'progress' towards a preconceived goal):
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 19, 2018, 12:50:59 AM
Looks like congress will force disclosure of scope memo authorizing Mueller probe. Chaiman of Senate Judiciary committee, Senato Soybean Grassley has requested it also.

"Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley added his voice, sending a seven-page letter to Deputy Attorney Rod Rosenstein, putting a chairman's gavel behind the request for the first time. "

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/18/donald-trump-supporters-mueller-memo-597905

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 19, 2018, 01:07:20 AM
Cohen is partitioning in court to deny Avenatti the right to participate in the case between Cohen and the federal prosecutors who raided Cohen's home and office last month.  This is an indication of how much Cohen fears Avenatti:

Title: "Cohen Fires Back After Months as Avenatti's Punching Bag"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-18/cohen-says-avenatti-should-be-barred-from-case-over-warrants
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 19, 2018, 07:44:39 PM
Halper met with campaign officials before the investigation started ?

"The professor’s interactions with Trump advisers began a few weeks before the opening of the investigation ... "

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/19/the-fbi-informant-who-monitored-the-trump-campaign-stefan-halper-oversaw-a-cia-spying-operation-in-the-1980-presidential-election/

And Halper paid Papadoupolos ? And brought up russia posession of clinton emails with the latter ?

"Halper enticed Papadopoulos to visit London in September 2016 with an offer to pay for a policy paper about energy issues. Papadopoulos made the trip and wrote the paper. He was paid $3,000."

"Halper brought up the question of Russian hacking of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s emails. Papadopoulos was suspicious of the question ... "

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/18/secret-fbi-informant-trump-campaign/

So was there another investigation going before the one into the Trump campaign ? Or was Halper just setting up dirt to justify the Mueller investigation ?

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 20, 2018, 03:41:05 AM
I am sure that Mueller will not limit his investigation to Russia, Russia, Russia:

Title: "NYT: Trump Jr. heard pitch on Saudi, Emirati support for 2016 election"

https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-jr-trump-tower-meeting-saudi-arabia-uae-f9635309-b6ec-42b3-a216-71b17bf84240.html

Extract: "Donald Trump Jr. participated in an August 2016 meeting at Trump Tower that included suggestions that Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates wanted to help his father win the 2016 presidential election, according to a New York Times report.

Why it matters: The meeting is "the first indication that countries other than Russia may have offered assistance to the Trump campaign," per the Times.

Who was there: Erik Prince, the founder of private security firm Blackwater, arranged the meeting. It also involved George Nader, a Lebanese-American businessman with ties to the UAE, and Joel Zamel, an Israeli social media specialist who wanted to pitch his firm's work to the Trump campaign. (Nader also assisted Prince in assembling another international get-together in the Seychelles.) White House adviser Stephen Miller, known for his strong views on immigration, was also in Trump Jr.'s office when the meeting began."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 20, 2018, 03:45:55 AM
"Halper brought up the question of Russian hacking of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s emails. Papadopoulos was suspicious of the question ... "

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/18/secret-fbi-informant-trump-campaign/

So was there another investigation going before the one into the Trump campaign ? Or was Halper just setting up dirt to justify the Mueller investigation ?

sidd

sidd,

I provide the following link to a Wikipedia article so that readers can decide for themselves how reliable The Daily Caller's reporting is:

Title: "The Daily Caller"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Caller

Extract: "The Daily Caller is a conservative American news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C. It was founded by political pundit Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney. The site's coverage includes politics, business, world news, entertainment, sports, education, technology, outdoors, and energy.

According to Salon, Scott Greer, deputy editor of The Daily Caller, had ties to members of the white nationalist movement, including friendships with Devin Saucier, assistant to Jared Taylor of American Renaissance, and with anti-immigrant activist Marcus Epstein, who pled guilty to assaulting an African American woman two years prior. Greer had later deleted parts of his Facebook page, but is seen photographed with nationalists such as Tim Dionisopoulos and Richard Spencer, and appears wearing clothes belonging to the group Youth for Western Civilization.

The Daily Caller has also posted articles by Jason Kessler, a white supremacist who organized a rally of hundreds of white nationalists in Charlottesville. Before Kessler posted his article, it was known that he had spoken at white supremacist gatherings. After Kessler received attention for his organizing of the Charlottesville white supremacist rally, the Daily Caller removed his articles from its website, but The Daily Caller executive editor defended Kessler's articles."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 20, 2018, 04:01:16 AM
Here is a link to reporting on this subject from the NYT & the Washington Post:

Title: "FBI source met with 3 Trump advisers"

https://www.axios.com/fbi-source-met-with-3-trump-advisers-1526729297-5920641a-bf74-4c78-b4e1-b67fff184857.html

Extract: ""F.B.I. agents sent an informant to talk to two [Trump] campaign advisers only after they received evidence that the pair had suspicious contacts linked to Russia during the campaign," the N.Y. Times reports:

Details: "The informant, an American academic who teaches in Britain, made contact late that summer with one campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos."

"He also met repeatedly in the ensuing months with the other aide, Carter Page, who was also under F.B.I. scrutiny for his ties to Russia."

Intrigue: "The informant is well known in Washington circles, having served in previous Republican administrations and as a source of information for the C.I.A. in past years."

"The New York Times has learned the source’s identity but typically does not name informants to preserve their safety.

WashPost: "The Washington Post ... has confirmed the identity of the FBI source who assisted the investigation, but is not reporting his name following warnings from U.S. intelligence officials that exposing him could endanger him or his contacts."

P.S. "Mueller has subpoenaed a key assistant of long-time Donald Trump adviser Roger Stone," Reuters reports. "John Kakanis, 30, who has worked as a driver, accountant and operative for Stone."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 20, 2018, 04:18:46 AM
ASLR
Read sidds #310 at Russiagate & the Media for your answer as to who the mystery spy was.
Terry
PS  They even quote the NYT & WaPo!!
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 20, 2018, 07:23:09 AM
Looks like the Trump campagn was riddled with informants. Carter Page was talking to the FBI for years. Halper sucks him in, content of meeting unknown. Halper pays papadoupolous to show up in london, and brings up russian posession of Hilary emails, after Mifsud has floated that to Papa.  Halper has US Gov contracts and is old CIA spook, hangs with an old brit spook called Dearlove (what a name,)  so that end is clear.

So who is paying Mifsud? I gather he's kinda disappeared. That guy has been around Valdai, which is not necessarily a Russian connection, but.

The plot thickens.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 20, 2018, 09:39:40 AM

Richard Dearlove, Christopher Steele's boss and a link to Stepan Halper.


"In 2016, Halper resigned (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/16/intelligence-experts-cut-ties-cambridge-spy-seminars-amid-claims/) from the Cambridge Intelligence Seminar along with Richard Dearlove (Christopher Steele’s old boss) out of concerns Russia had started funding it, which is to say he has close ties with a lot of the spooks that the Republicans are obsessed by. Halper would fit as an American. And as someone at the overlap between MI6, the FBI, and CIA, any information he discovered would ultimately get shared with Mueller."

Keep an eye out for an Aza Turk, Halper's "assistant" who also met with Papadopoulos. Stumblin George apparently had a weakness for exotic women.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/05/11/stefan-halper-wasnt-downstream-from-the-steele-dossier/
Terry

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 20, 2018, 07:08:37 PM
No matter what Mueller ends up doing w.r.t. interviewing Trump, I have confidence that Mueller will make the right decision in the middle of Trump's media circus ping pong performance:

Title: "The Memo: Will Mueller play hardball with Trump?"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-memo-will-mueller-play-hardball-with-trump/ar-AAxxtFi?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: ""In many ways, Mueller benefits from this very public conversation that the president and his lawyers are having," she said. "It's stunning. Very few defense lawyers would have this running conversation that prosecutors can observe every nuance of.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 20, 2018, 07:15:19 PM
All the president's men are going down:

Title: "Roger Stone 'prepared' for Mueller indictment"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/roger-stone-prepared-mueller-indictment-n875796

Extract: "Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative and ally of President Donald Trump, said Sunday he is “prepared” to be indicted as part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation if that’s where the probe leads."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 20, 2018, 07:19:21 PM
You can run but you cannot hide from the Mueller investigation:

Title: "Mueller probing Israeli businessman connected to UAE"

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/388524-mueller-probing-israeli-businessman-connected-to-uae?rnd=1526833614

Extract: "Special Counsel Robert Mueller is probing Israeli businessman Joel Zamel after it was revealed he met with Donald Trump Jr. prior to the 2016 presidential election, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The Journal reviewed a subpoena regarding Zamel's work, including his crowdsourced analysis firm known as Wikistrat and a private intelligence firm known as the Psy Group."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 20, 2018, 07:48:51 PM
For those who prefer videos about Trump's Campaign colluding with foreign countries:

Title: "Sen. Warner on CNN State of the Union"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No57uoFHRas

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 20, 2018, 08:52:52 PM
Well, it's easy to see why CNN's rating have fallen into the cellar.


Is Warner incredibly stupid or incredibly disingenuous? From 4:30 on he belies information that today has been accepted on both sides of the aisle.
Stepan Halden was the implanted spy, and outing him was an embarrassment to TPTB, not an issue of National Security.


It's a shame that lying to newscasters isn't a punishable crime.
Virginia deserves better representation.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 20, 2018, 09:08:40 PM
Missed this: third Trump staffer appproached by Halper was Sam Clovis:

Halper was CIA. So i think Brennan is in this neck deep, along with UK counterparts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-fbi-source-for-russia-investigation-met-with-three-trump-advisers-during-campaign/2018/05/18/9778d9f0-5aea-11e8-b656-a5f8c2a9295d_story.html

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 20, 2018, 09:44:57 PM

sidd

WaPo wants a dollar & info about me, so I'll have to find my sources elsewhere. Fortunately with the Case being outed, the information's everywhere!


Amazingly enough, even after Halpern's identity became known, the Nation hasn't dissolved, Washington hasn't been forced to declare Martial Law, and America hasn't yet capitulated.


National Security today seems just as formidable as it seemed last week - remarkable.

Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 20, 2018, 10:35:12 PM
Mr. TerryM : response to your comment is in a different thread.

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,189.msg155137.html#msg155137

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 21, 2018, 01:51:07 PM
Traitor Don keeps moving closer and closer to the abyss.  This weekends tweet storm shows he is getting more and more fearful of the Mueller investigation.  So either he and his cohorts in the Republican Party are able to stop the investigation .... OR .... Donnie will be forced to go on a firing binge in the DOJ and possibly the FBI.

At the same time that the political/judicial processes are playing out ... we have (1) the continuing issue of gun violence that is eating away at most Republicans and it WON’T go away, and (2) we continue to head towards possible new record lows in both the Arctic sea ice and global sea ice levels.

Those two issues may provide more momentum for Dems over the coming months, and ultimately help to put even greater pressure on Traitor Don and his band of traitors led by Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan.

Pay SPECIAL attention to the election races in Florida:  Both for the Senate seat AND for Attorney General.  Dem’s currently hold the senate seat, but with a candidate who is behind Rick Scott (Medicare fraudster) by 4%.  If the Dems can possibly pull out those two wins in Florida, Donnie’s goose is thoroughly cooked for the next 10 years, and so are his kids .... BIGLY.

Rick Scott is a global warming denier, and he has NOT done nearly enough on the gun front.  Hopefully the Dems can pull that one out of the fire.

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 21, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
“Three predictions for what Mueller will do next.”  By  Nelson Cunningham.

I’m mobile right now.... or I would have supplied the link to the above article.  It is a “must read”.  I don’t agree will all the predictions .... but they are ALL possible.  And Nelson was an actual prosecutor, I only got my “law degree” (🤥) at Trump University. 🤡

Suffice it to say ...... we are heading into the home stretch .... too bad we don’t know for sure how LONG that stretch will be.  It WILL be exciting .... AND historic.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 21, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
Donald Trump has ordered an investigation of the investigation that is investigating his own potential wrong doing.  If that is not a conflict of interest then what is?  If the Democrats win control of the House in November, then after they gain control of the House Oversight Committee they should subpoena every GOP official (Nunes, Ryan, Trump, Sessions, etc.) who is facilitating this abuse of power (this is an abuse because Trump is not presenting any evidence of wrong doing on the part of the FBI, when he ordered this sham investigation):

Title: "The Democrats Need to Get Much Tougher on These Trump Scandals or They Will Lose the Midterms"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-democrats-must-get-a-lot-tougher-on-the-trump-scandals-or-they-will-lose-the-midterms

Extract: "Sunday afternoon at 1:37 pm, the president of the United States tweeted that he is ordering an investigation of the investigation into him. His campaign, okay; but him. Think about that.

Imagine that Hillary Clinton were president and the Republicans were investigating the Clinton Foundation, and she ordered an investigation into that investigation, charging, based on no evidence whatsoever, that the FBI had improperly infiltrated the foundation. And no, this professor is not “proof” of “infiltration.” And anyway, if the FBI has credible reason to believe a crime may have been committed, isn’t infiltration of the enterprise suspected of criminality…their job?

Or imagine that Barack Obama had ordered an investigation into any of the various investigations of the Benghazi consular attack. Or for that matter that George W. Bush had ordered an investigation into the investigation into the Valerie Plame outing.

In any of those cases, Washington would have exploded. But now this president—who, it is documented, has spent 40 years lying to and defrauding people in business, and who lies nearly every time he speaks—and his apologists have so corrupted our system that some people are discussing Trump’s move as if it’s legitimate. Just another interesting twist and turn in Donald Trump’s Washington, ha ha.

No. It’s not. It’s a scandal. It’s the biggest sign yet that Trump knows and respects no law and will use every tool he can to thwart an investigation that is obviously legitimate. We learned over the weekend from the Times that Russia may not be the half of it, a Gulf emissary reportedly offered to help Trump win the election."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 21, 2018, 06:59:05 PM
The linked article from December 2017, reminds people that the FBI gave Trump lots of warnings that foreign adversaries, including Russians, were trying to influence/infiltrate his campaign.  This makes it clear that Trump's order to the DOJ to investigate the FBI's investigation of Russiagate is more of an attempt to obstruct justice than an attempt to root-out some kind of mythical 'Deep State':

Title: "FBI warned Trump in 2016 Russians would try to infiltrate his campaign"

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-warned-trump-2016-russians-would-try-infiltrate-his-campaign-n830596

Extract: "In the weeks after he became the Republican nominee on July 19, 2016, Donald Trump was warned that foreign adversaries, including Russia, would probably try to spy on and infiltrate his campaign, according to multiple government officials familiar with the matter.

The warning came in the form of a high-level counterintelligence briefing by senior FBI officials, the officials said. A similar briefing was given to Hillary Clinton, they added. They said the briefings, which are commonly provided to presidential nominees, were designed to educate the candidates and their top aides about potential threats from foreign spies.

The candidates were urged to alert the FBI about any suspicious overtures to their campaigns, the officials said."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 21, 2018, 09:41:40 PM
Here is what you need to know about the Halper matter, which is much ado about nothing:

Title: "Everything you need to know about Trump’s FBI spy claim"

https://qz.com/1283291/trumps-fbi-spy-claims-about-stefan-halper-explained/

Extract: "Trump demanded an investigation into whether law enforcement “infiltrated or surveilled the Trump campaign for political purposes,” and has tweeted that there was an FBI representative “implanted” into the campaign. However, no public reports suggested that Halper was embedded or conducted extensive surveillance on the campaign. The Times and Post report, citing intelligence sources, that there is no evidence Halper did anything improper.

House Intelligence Committee chair Devin Nunes earlier this month subpoenad (paywall) the DoJ for all its information about Halper, but the Justice Department declined, citing Halper’s safety and relations with intelligence partners.

A few hours after Trump demanded an investigation, Rosenstein expanded an existing probe by the DoJ’s inspector general, an internal watchdog, who was looking into how the FBI had secured warrants to spy on Page. DoJ spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said the probe would examine “whether there was any impropriety or political motivation in how the FBI conducted its counterintelligence investigation of persons suspected of involvement with the Russian agents who interfered in the 2016 presidential election.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 21, 2018, 10:32:07 PM
ASLR
Do you believe that the venerable Halper, who's spying activities have been known since the 1980's has been put at risk since he was outed for this caper?


If not then other reasons for the FBI's reticence need to be examined.


Why would the FBI go to such lengths to keep this operation hidden? If Halper's activities were aboveboard why such heroic efforts to keep them shielded from public scrutiny? Halper was giving lectures on international intelligence and has been paid a $Million over the table by the government since 2012 - He was in no danger from being outed, the danger was to those who were directing his actions.


I had a very low opinion of the FBI since well before LBJ tasked their mincing leader with rooting out homosexuals in the Federal Government. Hoover and Clyde undoubtedly enjoyed the humor inherent in that request, and those that (finally) took over the reigns of the Bureau have been laughing up their sleeves at their political masters ever since.
The FBI - running amuck since 1924.


Terry - from the (relatively) safe haven of Canada.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 21, 2018, 11:08:14 PM
Unless Mueller decides to try to indict a sitting president, then whether Trump's actions constitutes obstruction of justice is a political question to be resolved by congress; and in this regards, if the Democrats gain control of the House in 2018/19 then they will have control of the subpoena power of the House Oversight Committee, which would allow for a deep dive into Trump's (& Team Trump's) possibly criminal actions:

Title: "8 legal experts on whether Trump’s demand for an investigation into the FBI is legal"

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/21/17376154/trump-fbi-doj-brennan-rosenstein-mueller-probe

Extract: "Spoiler alert: It’s complicated.

Trump’s demand is being taken seriously by the Justice Department, and the inspector general has now expanded its investigation to include the questions raised by Trump.

This could eventually force a clash between the DOJ and the president, especially if Trump continues to use his power to influence or impede the special counsel investigation into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 presidential campaign.

At the moment, two legal questions immediately present themselves. First, does Trump have the authority to order an investigation like this, particularly if the goal is to discredit a separate investigation into his own campaign? Second, does this constitute obstruction of justice?

But whether or not Trump’s “demands” are criminal, they are part and parcel of an unprecedented attack by a sitting president on the law enforcement apparatus of his own administration. Trump’s apparent belief in his personal entitlement to direct that law enforcement resources give priority to his own political ends is antithetical to the rule of law."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on May 21, 2018, 11:12:59 PM
Unless Mueller decides to try to indict a sitting president, then whether Trump's actions constitutes obstruction of justice is a political question to be resolved by congress; and in this regards, if the Democrats gain control of the House in 2018/19 then they will have control of the subpoena power of the House Oversight Committee, which would allow for a deep dive into Trump's (& Team Trump's) possibly criminal actions:

What a great way to motivate Republican voters to prevent a blue wave.  ;)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 21, 2018, 11:17:50 PM
ASLR
Do you believe that the venerable Halper, who's spying activities have been known since the 1980's has been put at risk since he was outed for this caper?


If not then other reasons for the FBI's reticence need to be examined.


Why would the FBI go to such lengths to keep this operation hidden? If Halper's activities were aboveboard why such heroic efforts to keep them shielded from public scrutiny? Halper was giving lectures on international intelligence and has been paid a $Million over the table by the government since 2012 - He was in no danger from being outed, the danger was to those who were directing his actions.


I had a very low opinion of the FBI since well before LBJ tasked their mincing leader with rooting out homosexuals in the Federal Government. Hoover and Clyde undoubtedly enjoyed the humor inherent in that request, and those that (finally) took over the reigns of the Bureau have been laughing up their sleeves at their political masters ever since.
The FBI - running amuck since 1924.


Terry - from the (relatively) safe haven of Canada.

Terry,

I would appreciate it if you would stop asking me direct questions, as you have a tendency to imagine bogeymen where there aren't any.  For example in the Halper situation Rosenstein has already expanded the scope of the inspector general to look into Trump's concern.  I trust Rosenstein's decision in this matter, even if it appears likely that if the inspector general gives the FBI a clean bill of health on the Halper matter that Trump will probably brand this finding as "Fake News" and part of the "Deep State" "Witch Hunt" of the "Pure People's Champion" Donald J. Trump.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 21, 2018, 11:22:34 PM
Unless Mueller decides to try to indict a sitting president, then whether Trump's actions constitutes obstruction of justice is a political question to be resolved by congress; and in this regards, if the Democrats gain control of the House in 2018/19 then they will have control of the subpoena power of the House Oversight Committee, which would allow for a deep dive into Trump's (& Team Trump's) possibly criminal actions:

What a great way to motivate Republican voters to prevent a blue wave.  ;)

To quote Truman: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."  ;)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 21, 2018, 11:32:18 PM
While Mueller is conducting a non-political investigation, everyone knows that if/when this matter is placed before Congress it immediately becomes a political issue.  Thus I think the Democrats should stop treating the Trump Administration with kid gloves, and instead they should make the Trump Administration's corruption a central theme of the 2018 midterm campaign:

Title: "Democrats Should Talk More About Trump"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/democrats-should-be-talking-even-more-about-trump.html

Extract: "The president’s rampant corruption should be the central issue of this year’s midterms.

On Monday, Democrats unveiled an anti-corruption message meant to highlight the kinds of graft and self-dealing we’ve seen from Donald Trump and other Republican lawmakers. The message echoes Democrats’ successful campaign in 2006, when they recaptured the House by running against George W. Bush and a host of GOP scandals in Congress. But the new message is still too focused on a broad “Washington” and not enough on the singular figure of Donald Trump."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on May 22, 2018, 12:22:28 AM
Central theme should be things that matter to Americans who can barely get by. Trump=Swamp comes into play as well, but if you make it your central theme, you're too dumb to cook.

And as Truman's wife said: If you can't cook, stay out of the kitchen.

And I don't think Mueller is conducting a non-political investigation. Either way, all of the attention and scandalizing will make it easier for Trump to say: The swamp people are trying to get rid of me because I'm not part of their swamp.

If there is no blue wave, Russiagate and the Mueller investigation, and so on, will be the number one reason it didn't happen.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 22, 2018, 12:23:41 AM
Detail on million plus payment to Halper: hope he was worth it. Last payment was for 400+ KUS$ on sep 26 2016. Unlike the others, this was a "Purchase Order." What was he selling ?

https://www.usaspending.gov/#/search/68d183f62648f90913efbf55858f3893

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 22, 2018, 12:32:47 AM
Do people think that Trump's top trade adviser, Peter Navarro, was also working for the FBI, when he recommended appointing Halper to the Trump campaign?

Title: "Exclusive: Peter Navarro pushed Stefan Halper for Trump job"

https://www.axios.com/peter-navarro-trump-stefan-halper-fbi-informant-cc8a2601-dfe1-45a0-8899-62bfb7578599.html

Extract: "President Trump's top trade adviser, Peter Navarro, recommended appointing Stefan Halper, an academic and suspected FBI informant on the Trump campaign, to a senior role in the Trump administration, Axios has learned."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 22, 2018, 12:40:51 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if Navarro had spook connections. He was in the Peace Corps for three years, that place has it's share of spooks.

Meanwhile here is a titbit i hadn't noticed. Wiki informs that Halper ran a bank that moved money to our man Ollie North, and set up a defense fund for him.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 22, 2018, 12:41:29 AM
Central theme should be things that matter to Americans who can barely get by. Trump=Swamp comes into play as well, but if you make it your central theme, you're too dumb to cook.

The Democrats have added a proven recipe to their platform for cooking-up new seats in Congress in 2018:
 
Title: "Democrats' new platform focuses on corruption under Trump"

https://www.axios.com/democrats-unveil-a-better-deal-corruption-platform-cb48ef50-b2f9-4e62-8130-0bcc68738632.html?utm_source=sidebar

Extract: "Democrats unveiled a new plank of their "A Better Deal" policy platform today, which largely focuses on corruption under President Trump and campaign finance.

Democrats used a similar message in 2006, the Washington Post notes, focusing on pay-to-play politics after a number of controversies involving Republicans. Democrats picked up 31 House seats that year."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 22, 2018, 12:44:52 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if Navarro had spook connections. He was in the Peace Corps for three years, that place has it's share of spooks.

Meanwhile here is a titbit i hadn't noticed. Wiki informs that Halper ran a bank that moved money to our man Ollie North, and set up a defense fund for him.

sidd

Do you think that this qualifies as evidence that the mythical 'Deep State' actually exists, and if so why did the FBI reopen the investigation into Hillary's emails just weeks before the 2016 election?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 22, 2018, 12:56:58 AM
This murky deal probably stopped Trump from firing Rosenstein, but hopefully the murky deal also somehow stops Nunes from revealing national security issues for political gain:

Title: "DOJ, Trump strike murky deal in FBI informant spat"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/trump-justice-department-fbi-informant-601572

Extract: "The breadth of the agreement was not immediately clear. The Justice Department had previously indicated that sharing details about its informant could risk lives and endanger national security. It's also unclear who will be permitted to view the documents. The Justice Department typically shares its most sensitive information with the so-called "Gang of Eight" — the Republican and Democratic leaders of the House and Senate, as well as the Republican and Democratic leaders of each chamber's Intelligence Committee."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on May 22, 2018, 01:04:08 AM

Do you believe that the venerable Halper, who's spying activities have been known since the 1980's has been put at risk since he was outed for this caper?

If not then other reasons for the FBI's reticence need to be examined.

Why would the FBI go to such lengths to keep this operation hidden? If Halper's activities were aboveboard why such heroic efforts to keep them shielded from public scrutiny? Halper was giving lectures on international intelligence and has been paid a $Million over the table by the government since 2012 - He was in no danger from being outed, the danger was to those who were directing his actions.
 

This doesn't follow at all.  This exposure of Halper now makes him a potential target of Trump and/or his followers.  Halper didn't face this hazard prior to the leak of his identity.

Beyond Halper in particular, there's the issue of being able to assure anonymity to confidential informants to the FBI.  If the FBI can't assure anonymity, there will be far fewer informants.

And while many liberal-types like me might think that could perhaps be a good thing, to have fewer informants, the reality is that actual crimes should be investigated, and informants are routine and commonly crucial to these investigations.

I think the FBI was exactly right to object strenuously to Halper's outing.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 22, 2018, 01:10:59 AM
For those who are interested, here is a Wikipedia write-up on Peter Navarro:

Title: "Peter Navarro"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Navarro
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 22, 2018, 01:41:43 AM
"the mythical 'Deep State' actually exists "

Thats a contradiction iinit ? if it is mythical, then it can't actually exist. A better question might be

"does the deep state exist ?" but that wasn't the posed question. If it were, i might answer that first  one might define exactly we mean by the deep state in the USA. But a presupposition that the deep state is mythical rather squelches that conversation.

" confidential informants to the FBI."

Mueller had his informants entrap Muslims for the better part of a decade  into fake terrorist plots. There is a movie called "(T)ERROR" that has a remarkable expose from both sides of the game. Filmmaker got the  informant and the guy he was setting up to let her shoot. Amazing.

But there are a lot more cases than that one. Mueller kept the FBI from torture (an I give him full credit for that) but his actions in stitched up terror cases certainly makes me think less of him.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 22, 2018, 01:47:43 AM
The politico story on the trump-DOH-FBI deal has a clause i think is significant:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/trump-justice-department-fbi-informant-601572

"turn over to Congress and his own legal team"

He just got his own lawyers everything the FBI has on all dealings with Halper. And the DOD contracts.

crazy like a fox.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 22, 2018, 04:52:56 AM
Terry,

I would appreciate it if you would stop asking me direct questions, as you have a tendency to imagine bogeymen where there aren't any.


Next time I'll be sure to quote your original statement before I ask you to defend it. :)
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 22, 2018, 05:35:04 AM

Do you believe that the venerable Halper, who's spying activities have been known since the 1980's has been put at risk since he was outed for this caper?

If not then other reasons for the FBI's reticence need to be examined.

Why would the FBI go to such lengths to keep this operation hidden? If Halper's activities were aboveboard why such heroic efforts to keep them shielded from public scrutiny? Halper was giving lectures on international intelligence and has been paid a $Million over the table by the government since 2012 - He was in no danger from being outed, the danger was to those who were directing his actions.
 

This doesn't follow at all.  This exposure of Halper now makes him a potential target of Trump and/or his followers.  Halper didn't face this hazard prior to the leak of his identity.

Beyond Halper in particular, there's the issue of being able to assure anonymity to confidential informants to the FBI.  If the FBI can't assure anonymity, there will be far fewer informants.

And while many liberal-types like me might think that could perhaps be a good thing, to have fewer informants, the reality is that actual crimes should be investigated, and informants are routine and commonly crucial to these investigations.

I think the FBI was exactly right to object strenuously to Halper's outing.
Well, I could have quoted the Democratic claim I suppose:

"Publicly outing a source risks not only their life, but the lives of every American," a top Democratic lawmaker warns.
https://thinkprogress.org/calls-for-identity-of-fbi-source-trump-campaign-risk-national-security-c7575f6ea88b
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 22, 2018, 05:21:15 PM
The media coverage regarding the interaction between Halper and Papadopoulos can be misleading.  We may well need to wait until Mueller publically releases the results of his investigation before we have a clear understanding of events:

Title: "George Papadopoulos Was Trying to Hide Evidence He Thought Might Amount to Treason When He Lied to the FBI "

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/05/21/george-papadopoulos-was-trying-to-hide-treason-when-he-lied-to-the-fbi/

Extract: "Chuck Ross’ description of a September 2016 conversation between Stefan Halper and George Papadopoulos has evolved over the course of his reporting on it.

Today’s story claims we don’t know what Alexander Downer told FBI. We do know one detail he omitted: That Downer told the FBI that Papadopoulos told him Mifsud said the Russians were going to release the emails to help Trump.

Ross leans on his misunderstanding of Papadopoulos’ guilty plea to argue today that FBI should have interviewed Papadopoulos back in August, rather than ask a lifelong Republican to ask the same questions while hiding the FBI interest.

That is, Ross argues that because Papadopoulos offered up that he met a weird guy named Mifsud who told him the Russians were offering dirt in the form of Hillary emails, he could be trusted to have been honest had the FBI asked him in August.

As I said, though, Ross’ first description of Papadopoulos’ guilty plea is wrong in several ways. Ross hides how important Papadopoulos said Mifsud seemed; the FBI describes Papadopoulos claiming Mifsud was just BSing. The former Trump aide similarly denied having any relationship with the Russian woman Mifsud introduced him to. Both those details make Papadopoulos’ lies about the timing more important: he lied about how important he believed these two were and he lied about the way their outreach to him tied to his role on the campaign.

And if the third and fourth version of Ross’ description of the Halper-Papadopoulos exchange is any indication, then it’s very clear why Papadopoulos would have always lied about the communications: because he considered the very same kind of back and forth with Russians tied to the email release treason.

Papadopoulos was trying to cover up evidence he thought might prove treason."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 22, 2018, 05:32:05 PM
Does the RNC's payment of legal fees for Hope Hicks amount to hush money?

Title: "RNC paid half a million to law firm representing Hope Hicks in Russia probe"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rnc-paid-half-million-law-firm-representing-hope/story?id=55328181

Extract: " The Republican National Committee has paid nearly half a million dollars to a law firm representing former White House communications director Hope Hicks in the ongoing Russia investigation, Federal Election Commission records show.

The two payments in April, totaling $451,779, were made to Trout Cacheris & Janis for "legal and compliance services." Hicks is represented by the firm’s founder, Robert Trout. Two additional attorneys at the firm represent other witnesses in the Russia probe. The firm has also represented Bijan Kian, the one-time business partner of former national security adviser Michael Flynn."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 22, 2018, 05:40:09 PM
The linked op/ed piece indicates that there is no truth to Trump's claim that the FBI planted a spy into his campaign, and makes the point that actually the FBI's actions help Trump to become president:

Title: "Press: Why Trump should thank FBI"

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/388697-press-why-trump-should-thank-fbi

Extract: "Trump tweeted early in the morning of May 18: “Reports are there was indeed at least one FBI representative implanted, for political purposes, into my campaign for president.” And lest there be any doubt what he meant by “representative,” he followed up with: “Apparently the [Department of Justice] put a Spy in the Trump Campaign.”

So what we are to make of this? Absolutely nothing. It’s simply not true, just the latest twist in repeated efforts by the Trump White House to undermine the credibility of special counsel Robert Mueller in anticipation of a damning final report. Their working premise is that if they call it a “witch hunt” often enough, people will start to believe it.

As both The New York Times and The Washington Post both quickly reported, the FBI did not plant any “spy” inside the Trump campaign. The FBI did, however, send an FBI informant to talk to campaign aides George Papadopoulos, Carter Page and Sam Clovis about their contacts with Russian officials. Which gets us to the heart of the matter, which most of the media have simply ignored.

All the speculation about a secret FBI “spy” hidden inside the Trump campaign is a waste of time. Here’s what’s really important. Not whether the Justice Department employed a spy, agent or informant, and who it was. But the fact that, as far back as Aug. 16, the FBI was investigating the Trump campaign for possible collusion.

Yet, surely, by keeping the Trump investigation secret, the FBI did influence the outcome of the election. Had Americans known that Donald Trump, like Hillary Clinton, was the subject of a criminal investigation, the election might have turned out differently. So, instead of attacking the FBI, Donald Trump should be thanking them. The FBI helped Donald Trump become president."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on May 22, 2018, 09:47:59 PM
Do you actually see a difference between inserting a very well paid informer, who incidentally had deep connections with both American and British intelligence, and planting a spy?
Your vision is amazingly acute.


You cast aspersions on the RNC for paying a law firm less than $500,000, yet ignore the fact that the spy/informant was paid over $100,000 by Obama's government.


Personally I'd like to learn where the $50,000,000 raised so rapidly by DiFi's Chief of Security went. That's a real chunk of change. What emergency arose that required such a huge sum to fix. That kind of money is more often used in an attempt to keep information from seeing the light of day, than for uncovering new data.


Perhaps when Mueller has the time he'll look into it.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 22, 2018, 10:37:27 PM
"spy/informant was paid over $100,000 by Obama's government"

I think you dropped a zero.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 22, 2018, 11:00:07 PM
Mifsud a UK spook ? He worked with Claire Smith of the UK Joint Intelligence Comittee

" Misfud and Claire Smith of the UK Joint Intelligence Committee and eight year member of the UK Security Vetting panel both trained Italian security services at the Link university in Rome ..."

https://www.prisonplanet.com/assange-suggests-british-government-was-involved-in-plot-to-bring-down-trump.html

Downer a UK spook ?

"Created by former MI6 British Secret Service agents, Hakluyt is an ultra secretive firm ..."

"Alexander Downer had been on the advisory board of the London-headquartered firm since 2008 ... was forced to give up the position when he was appointed to head the Australian diplomatic post in London in 2014 ... Mr Downer has still been attending client conferences and gatherings of the group ... he also attended a two-day country retreat at the invitation of the group ..."

http://www.news.com.au/world/britain-is-concerned-about-australias-links-to-hakluyt-security-firm-created-by-former-mi6-agents/news-story/5d6a3c7ccbd5cd9992379aeecaa5e3dc

We know Downer arranged 25 million to the Clinton Foundation.

http://thehill.com/376858-australian-diplomat-whose-tip-prompted-fbis-russia-probe-has-tie-to-clintons

Mifsud has disappeared or been disappeared.  Lotsa people looking very hard for him i expect. Some of them will want him silenced. Some will want him testifying.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 23, 2018, 12:07:16 AM
Trump is using the mechanisms of government for the biased benefit of the GOP.  How long until Trump pushes for a one party system in America.  The Gang of Eight should have been in the meeting with the DOJ:

Title: "Democrats not invited to DOJ briefing on FBI informant"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/22/fbi-informant-meeting-doj-gop-democrats-white-house-603275

Extract: "The White House has invited two senior House Republicans — and no Democrats — to a Thursday briefing to facilitate access for lawmakers to information about an FBI informant involved in the investigation of Russian contacts with President Donald Trump's campaign.

The briefing, coordinated by White House chief of staff John Kelly, was agreed to Monday when Trump met with FBI Director Christopher Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to discuss Congress' demands for these classified documents."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 23, 2018, 02:40:30 AM
Freidman will have to spill his guts on Cohen in order to minimize his jail time:

Title: "Michael Cohen Associate Agrees to Cooperate With Prosecutors"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/michael-cohen-associate-agrees-to-cooperate-with-prosecutors-1527033575

Extract: "A longtime business partner of Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors, according to people familiar with the matter.

Evgeny “Gene” Freidman, a New York City taxi mogul, pleaded guilty Tuesday in Albany County court to one count of criminal tax fraud. As part of his plea agreement, he agreed to help prosecutors with state or federal investigations, people familiar with the matter said."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: NevB on May 23, 2018, 03:23:11 PM
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/dolly-downer-goes-to-london,6182


Throughout his three-hour ordeal in the witness box at the Cole inquiry yesterday, Alexander Downer defended the professionalism of his department but said more than 20 times that he had "no specific recollection" of cables, key conversations or events surrounding the scandal.
https://www.smh.com.au/news/national/i-might-have-got-it-wrong/2006/04/11/1144521339065.html


By Marian Wilkinson
April 12, 2006

Downer's memory lapses about AWB bribing Iraq and violating UN sanctions should have resulted in criminal charges for AWB and he should have been sacked for negligence. But this was years ago and hasn't any relevance to the Cohen investigation.

He is a pompous lying buffoon but he has absolutely no reason at all to be lying about George Papadopoulos. 
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 23, 2018, 07:03:39 PM
If Clapper is correct, then this raises into question the legitimacy of Trump's election:

Title: "Clapper: Ryan and McConnell didn't care about election interference as long as Trump won"

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/388803-clapper-ryan-and-mcconnell-didnt-care-about-election-interference-as

Extract: "Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper accuses Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) in a new book of not caring about foreign interference in the 2016 election as long as President Trump won.

In his new book, “Facts and Fears, Hard Truths from a Life in Intelligence,” released on Tuesday, Clapper hammers the GOP leaders for not taking a harder stance on Russian meddling in the presidential race."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 23, 2018, 08:09:48 PM
Calpper has form. The kindest thing one might say about his behaviour is that he is "economical with the truth." He lied about mass wiretapping to congress and he lied about press interviews. I do not think i shall read his book.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on May 23, 2018, 09:41:18 PM

"Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, received a secret payment of at least $400,000 (£300,000) to fix talks between the Ukrainian president and President Trump... Shortly after the Ukrainian president returned home, his country's anti-corruption agency stopped its investigation into Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort. ...One source in Kiev said Mr Poroshenko had given Trump "a gift" - making sure that Ukraine would find no more evidence to give the US inquiry into whether the Trump campaign "colluded" with Russia. "

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44215656
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 23, 2018, 09:41:49 PM
A point that is not clear is whether the FBI encouraged Halper in seeking a job in the incoming Trump admin. I imagine infiltrating an elected administration would enrage that administration even more.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on May 23, 2018, 09:48:07 PM
Calpper has form. The kindest thing one might say about his behaviour is that he is "economical with the truth." He lied about mass wiretapping to congress and he lied about press interviews. I do not think i shall read his book.

sidd
Read the book. Maybe he has some explanation. The book promises to be the most interesting U.S. polit book in decades. Rachel Maddow had a long interview with Clapper last night.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 24, 2018, 06:51:07 PM
While Rosenstein has skillfully parried Team Trump this time, Trump will try again to derail the Mueller investigation:

Title: "How Much Longer Can Rod Rosenstein Protect Robert Mueller?"

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/how-much-longer-can-rod-rosenstein-protect-robert-mueller

Extract: "If Rosenstein were following the modern traditions of independence at the Justice Department, he would have rejected Trump’s request outright—but then he would have risked getting fired, and thereby potentially deprive Mueller of the protection that he has provided for the past year. So Rosenstein devised what was, under the circumstances, an artful finesse. He did not, as Trump seemed to demand, launch a criminal investigation of the F.B.I.; rather, Rosenstein took an intermediate step. He took advantage of the fact that the Justice Department’s inspector general is already conducting an investigation of the conduct of the F.B.I. in connection with its applications for surveillance of a Trump campaign adviser in 2016. Rosenstein just told the inspector general to add the issue of the use of informants in the Russia case to his existing investigation. This probe by the inspector general may well interfere with Mueller’s investigation, by subjecting its witnesses to another round of questioning, but Rosenstein probably figured, with reason, that it was the least bad alternative available to him. For the moment, at least, his offer seemed to mollify Trump, and an immediate crisis has been averted.

But no one should think that Rosenstein—or Mueller—is safe. Trump’s fake outrage about the nonexistent spy in his camp is just the latest assault on the independence of the Justice Department, the F.B.I., and the special counsel. At the same time that Rosenstein was brokering Trump’s demand for an investigation, the President directed his chief of staff to accommodate a request from House Republicans to view certain secret documents from the Russia investigation. Likewise, under modern ethical traditions, the House members should have been immediately refused; but, the White House wants to assist its congressional allies, and allowing them to see documents that they shouldn’t be allowed to see is part of that effort. In a similar vein, earlier this year, the Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee, with support from the President, released the so-called Nunes memo, which was a tendentious and misleading account of supposed F.B.I. misconduct. Later, the committee members released a report on their own investigation, which found no wrongdoing by the President."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 24, 2018, 09:51:02 PM
Per the linked NYT article, Emmet Flood, a lawyer representing Trump in the Russia investigation, was briefly in the first DOJ meeting on the confidential FBI informant.  I image that all crime lords would like to have their lawyers in a meeting to look at confidential FBI information.  Trump is trashing legal standards in this country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/us/politics/fbi-informant-russia-congress-briefings.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 24, 2018, 11:01:46 PM
An interesting read if this hasn't been posted here or elsewhere on the site in the last 2 weeks.

Here’s a Theory About That $1.6 Million Payout From a GOP Official to a Playboy Model

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-24/u-s-jobless-claims-unexpectedly-increase-to-seven-week-high

Now.... like all good skeptics ..... you need to be SKEPTICAL:

1)  Who the hell is the "Daily Intelligencer" anyway?
2)  Are there ANY OTHER corroborating news stories on this issue (this article is all about a THEORY ..... so it is NOT a news STORY YET .... it is a NEWS THEORY.  BIG DIFFERENCE.

Something to "pin on the wall" or "chew on" for a bit.  Anyway .... thought I would post it in case nobody had done so as yet.


Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 25, 2018, 01:36:03 AM
McConnell says that he saw nothing at the inception of the FBI investigation to warrant shutting-down the Mueller investigation:

Title: "McConnell Says He Supports Mueller Investigation"

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/614166059/mcconnell-says-he-supports-mueller-investigation

Extract: "Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., told NPR in an interview that he continues to support the Mueller Russia investigation — and that nothing in Thursday's hotly anticipated secret briefing on the Russia probe to congressional leaders changed his mind.

"The two investigations going on that I think will give us the answers to the questions that you raise — the [inspector general] investigation in the Justice Department and the Mueller investigation," McConnell said. "I support both of them, and I don't really have anything to add to this subject based upon the Gang of Eight briefing that we had today, which was classified.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 25, 2018, 04:20:10 AM
Coming soon to a theatre near you:  More fans .... and more shit.  And we all know what happens when those two get together. 

Crazy crazy crazy.  And FOX is going to look like fools.  Well done Sean Hannity ..... well done. 😱
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 25, 2018, 05:30:42 AM
Mueller has known this for a longtime, so the real question is can Mueller flip Stone or not:

Title: "Roger Stone sought dirt on Clinton from Assange during 2016 election: report"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/roger-stone-sought-dirt-on-clinton-from-assange-during-2016-election-report/ar-AAxLvdR?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "Former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone wanted WikiLeakers founder Julian Assange to give him damaging information on then-Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

Emails reportedly show Stone requesting an acquaintance ask Assange for emails about Clinton's alleged role in interfering with a possible peace deal in Libya in 2011, when she was secretary of State."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 25, 2018, 03:14:33 PM
If Erik Prince lied to Congress (under oath), then Mueller has more leverage to flip him against Trump:

Extract: "Putin ally suggests Seychelles meeting with Erik Prince more than chance encounter over a beer"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/putin-ally-seychelles-meeting-erik-prince-chance-encounter/story?id=55408942

Extract: "The Russian fund manager involved in a January 2017 meeting in the Seychelles Islands with Trump supporter Erik Prince has become the latest person to raise questions about Prince’s claim during Congressional testimony that the encounter was unplanned – merely a casual chance encounter “over a beer.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 25, 2018, 03:33:19 PM
Assange has repeatedly as far back as mid-2016 refuted and debunked every claim of association or contact with Roger Stone repeatedly. Too many public sources out there to list. Google it or visit his website if interested. Stone is a bs'ing primadonna and a manipulative PR strategist of some validity. Honest? Not if he's talking.  :)

If/when Assange is booted from the Ecuadorian Embassy, Mueller could indict him shortly thereafter:

Title: "Julian Assange Could Be Booted From the Ecuadorian Embassy ‘Any Day Now’"

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/assange-could-soon-be-booted-from-ecuadorian-embassy.html

Extract: "After nearly six years, Ecuador may have had it with Julian Assange. CNN reports that while there have been threats to boot the WikiLeaks founder from the Ecuadorian Embassy in London before, his current situation is “unusually bad” and he could be forced out “any day now.”

Ecuador’s new president Lenín Moreno is reportedly facing increasing pressure from the U.S. to eject Assange."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 25, 2018, 03:41:44 PM
Where there is smoke the is fire, & so I find it difficult to image that Mueller would find something illegal in Roger Stone's finances:

Title: "Mueller probing Roger Stone's finances: report"

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/389317-mueller-probing-roger-stones-finances-report

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller is reportedly investigating Roger Stone’s finances as part of the probe into alleged collusion between Trump campaign associates and Russia.

CNN reported Thursday that investigators have asked associates of Stone, an informal adviser to Trump's 2016 campaign, about his finances, including Stone's tax returns.

Stone told CNN that investigators were apparently "combing through" his personal life, including business affairs, but claimed it was because they lacked evidence of collusion."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 25, 2018, 09:53:15 PM
Mueller could indict him shortly thereafter

What would the charges be about?

I suppose it doesn't really matter. Anything will do to achieve their ends.

Assange's potential indictment is predicted on the assumption that the US Intelligence Community have some small semblance of professionalism:

Title: "Roger Stone's finances examined by special counsel"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/24/politics/roger-stone-finances-special-counsel-mueller-russia-investigation/index.html

Extract: "The US intelligence community concluded in January 2017 that Russian intelligence hacked the Democratic National Committee along with senior Democratic officials and provided the stolen material to WikiLeaks as part of Moscow's effort to damage Hillary Clinton and sway the election in favor of Trump. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has denied that the Russian government provided the hacked emails."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 25, 2018, 11:18:59 PM
"I suppose it doesn't really matter. "

Quite. The intelligence agencies have wanted Assange for a long time. Any excuse will do. As for their professionalism, well they have professionally lied and tortured and killed for a long time, but that's about as professional as they get.

Clearly some people dont have a problem with that.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 26, 2018, 07:04:30 PM
Don Jr. should be concerned:

Title: "Report: FBI obtained wiretap conversations of Kremlin-linked banker who met with Trump Jr."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/report-fbi-obtained-wiretap-conversations-of-kremlin-linked-banker-who-met-with-trump-jr/ar-AAxPGJm?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "The FBI has obtained wiretapped conversations of a Kremlin-linked banker who later met with Donald Trump Jr. during the 2016 presidential election.

Spanish national police provided the FBI with tapes of Russian oligarch Alexander Torshin's phone calls with a convicted Russian money launderer, according to a special prosecutor from Spain's attorney general's office, Yahoo News reported.

"Just a few months ago, the wiretaps of these telephone conversations were given to the FBI," according to the special prosecutor, José Grinda Gonzalez, speaking at the Hudson Institute on Friday."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 26, 2018, 10:31:04 PM
Assange offers to meet Schiff. Schiff sez ok, but you need to b in a US jail.

" Assange told him he is willing to be interviewed by Schiff to prove there was no collusion in the 2016 presidential election."

"willing to interview Julian Assange when he is in U.S. custody"

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/389498-assange-offers-to-show-schiff-there-was-no-collusion

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: JimD on May 26, 2018, 11:32:03 PM
Quote
ASLR:  Assange's potential indictment is predicted on the assumption that the US Intelligence Community have some small semblance of professionalism:


"I suppose it doesn't really matter. "

Quite. The intelligence agencies have wanted Assange for a long time. Any excuse will do. As for their professionalism, well they have professionally lied and tortured and killed for a long time, but that's about as professional as they get.

Clearly some people dont have a problem with that.

sidd

Hmm....  As a person from that world I would have to respond that you guys don't know what 'professionalism' means.  Either that or your are really trying to describe something else and have chosen the wrong word.

Being a professional means that you are highly educated and skilled at the job requirements, you execute the job in an efficient calm dispassionate mature manner, and that, in the case of military/intelligence officers, you follow your orders reliably.

Don't forget that our folks in the 'service' are duty and honor bound to support and defend the US (the Empire).  It is not their place to make policy, set strategy, determine foreign policy positions, be nice and kissy faced, or any of that kind of stuff.  They are YOUR warriors YOUR soldiers and they go where YOU send them and follow the orders that YOU give them. And sometimes they die for you and sometimes they kill for you.  But what they do is what YOU have told them to do.

If you don't like what they are doing then give them different directions - and they will then do that.  Like the professionals they are. 

People bad mouth a lot but the American People are responsible for what their warriors do.  Period. Full stop.

I did a lot of things I still have bad dreams about but I did what I swore I would do.  I would have loved having someone else in charge so I would have had different orders.

If you personally don't agree with the directions they are executing then WIN a fucking election for goddamned once and make some changes.  And please try not to pick a war mongering piece of shit like Hillary Clinton as your candidate so that you won't be responsible for someone like Trump getting elected next time.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 27, 2018, 01:04:19 AM
Quote
ASLR:  Assange's potential indictment is predicted on the assumption that the US Intelligence Community have some small semblance of professionalism:


"I suppose it doesn't really matter. "

Quite. The intelligence agencies have wanted Assange for a long time. Any excuse will do. As for their professionalism, well they have professionally lied and tortured and killed for a long time, but that's about as professional as they get.

Clearly some people dont have a problem with that.

sidd

Hmm....  As a person from that world I would have to respond that you guys don't know what 'professionalism' means.  Either that or your are really trying to describe something else and have chosen the wrong word.

Being a professional means that you are highly educated and skilled at the job requirements, you execute the job in an efficient calm dispassionate mature manner, and that, in the case of military/intelligence officers, you follow your orders reliably.


This line of discussion was raised in regards to why I thought that Mueller might have sufficient evidence to indict Assange.  In this regards, I mean that US Intelligence may have already provided Mueller will sufficient information, and of sufficient quality, that a grand jury to grant Mueller such an indictment.  If the US legal system is not to your liking, you know where the door is.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: wili on May 27, 2018, 01:08:40 AM
"... American People are responsible for what their warriors do.  Period. Full stop. "

Doesn't that kind of assume that the US is some kind of a democracy?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: JimD on May 27, 2018, 01:45:56 AM
ASLR

I call BS on that last response.  You know exactly what you were saying and so do I.  The Russians didn't get Trump elected incompetent Democrats did.  The solution is staring everyone in the face but they are afraid to look at it.

Wili

The American people ARE responsible for what they have.  They let control and democracy slip away from them because they are in general uneducated and disengaged and just worried about their little lives and not anything else.  They still have the ability to take back control and then folks won't have to whine about decisions their leaders make which make them uncomfortable.

A big percentage of the population fully believes the world is a harsh place and strength is the only way to survive.  They have no real issues with what the empire does.  But then we get endless whining from all the others about how horrible everyone is acting and how wrong it is.  But that other group, if they had their shit together, would have no trouble being in control and making the decisions as they see morally fit (and let us not get in a discussion of whose morals are better as neithers are worth much at all).  But what do they do?  They put in D's which are no different than moderate R's, and who are fully purchased by the 'Deep State' as we like to call it, who talk the talk but walk the empire, execute the neo-liberal economic model, pretend they care about minorities and the poor but don't really do anything for them, etc.  There has been no fundamental difference between Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, H Clinton and even Trump.  They all are and were working for the empire.  But empires have no soul and they don't care about nice or moral or ethical.  They care about power, control and wealth.  I have been there and done that.  You want to change something you have to work for it and maybe die for it.
 
But they are not going to do it are they.  And it is because they actually prefer the way things are because they live the rich life and, because they feel a little guilty about all that (morals!, ethics!) they make themselves feel better by pretending that they care about this and that but the system just won't let them make things better.  Cop out. BS.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 27, 2018, 01:46:28 AM
Trump's logic is proof of the statement:,'Garbage in garbage out':

Title: "Trump: Why didn't FBI tell me about 'phony Russia problem' during campaign"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-why-didnt-fbi-tell-me-about-phony-russia-problem-during-campaign/ar-AAxQF6p?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "Trump and his allies have suggested in recent days that the informant was used to spy on his campaign for political reasons. No evidence has surfaced to suggest that that was the case.

Former intelligence officials, including former CIA Director John Brennan and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, have pushed back on Trump's allegations, saying that the informant was deployed as the intelligence community sought to determine whether Russia was taking active measures to influence the election."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 27, 2018, 01:55:06 AM
ASLR

I call BS on that last response.  You know exactly what you were saying and so do I.  The Russians didn't get Trump elected incompetent Democrats did.  The solution is staring everyone in the face but they are afraid to look at it.


JimD,

As this is the Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation thread, I assume that you are talking about one of these two investigations.  So I guess we will all need to wait to see the out-come of these investigations and whether Team Trump conspired with the Russians to throw the 2016 election in Trump's favor.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 27, 2018, 03:13:12 AM
Presumably Mueller knows more than what Clapper knows about the Trump-Russia matter, and Clapper must be assuming that Mueller will at least file a report to Congress on this matter.  Thus I assume that Clapper wouldn't be making public statements that might make him look foolish within the next year or two:

Title: "James Clapper on Donald Trump, Edward Snowden, torture and “the knowability of truth”"

https://www.salon.com/2018/05/26/james-clapper-on-donald-trump-edward-snowden-torture-and-the-knowability-of-truth/

Extract: "James Clapper wants you to know that he did not lie to Congress. He also wants you to know that he believes a massive campaign of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign got Donald Trump elected, and that American democracy and American society are in grave peril.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on May 27, 2018, 08:03:23 AM
ASLR

I call BS on that last response.  You know exactly what you were saying and so do I.  The Russians didn't get Trump elected incompetent Democrats did.  The solution is staring everyone in the face but they are afraid to look at it.

Well, Clapper gives a persuasive argument.  Remember Trump lost the popular vote. 
""Less than eighty thousand votes in three key states swung the election, . . . I have no doubt that more votes than that were influenced by this massive effort by the Russians."
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/james_clapper_in_new_book_of_course_the_russians_swung_the_election_to_a_trump_win.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/05/23/james_clapper_in_new_book_of_course_the_russians_swung_the_election_to_a_trump_win.html)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 27, 2018, 08:06:43 AM
Clapper certainly has experience with the "knowability of truth."

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 28, 2018, 04:22:40 PM
Team Trump love to attack Team Mueller, for political gain, because they know that Team Mueller cannot publically defend themselves:

Title: "Giuliani Admits ‘Spygate’ Is PR in Anticipation of Impeachment"

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/giuliani-admits-spygate-is-pr-about-impeachment.html

Extract: "Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani confirmed on Sunday that the president and his allies’ attempts to discredit the Mueller investigation — including the most recent so-called Spygate controversy — are part of a public relations campaign aimed at staving off impeachment. “It is for public opinion,” the former New York mayor admitted during an appearance on CNN’s State of the Union. And while trying to shape public opinion is the rarely acknowledged goal of any presidential administration, what Giuliani said next was unique to Trump’s: “Because eventually the decision here is going to be impeach or not impeach.”

Giuliani’s comment came amid pressure from host Dana Bash to acknowledge that he and Trump were using a “very specific, very political strategy to undermine [the Mueller] investigation,” highlighting how a recent poll revealed a 15 percent drop in the number of Republicans who wanted Trump to testify in the probe. Bash and Giuliani had already talked about the unfounded Spygate allegation by Trump and his allies that the FBI had installed a spy in the Trump campaign to set up for collusion charges. (The FBI had actually warned Trump that Russia was trying to infiltrate his campaign.)"

Asked to confirm that these efforts to discredit the Mueller probe were just a political tactic, Giuliani first demurred, insisting that he and Trump have just been calling attention to the suspicions, not creating them. Then Bash specifically cited the Spygate claims and how no evidence had been offered to support them, and noted to Giuliani that he was both an experienced politician and a lawyer who clearly understood that the Trump team could feel free to attack the Russia investigation, since Mueller and his team would not be able to publicly defend themselves."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 28, 2018, 10:08:24 PM
Who's going to flip FIRST?  Rob Porter ..... Hope Hicks ..... or Paul Manafort?  My guess is that it will be in just THAT ORDER.

But there are SOOOOO many loose strings that WE don't know much about.  Like the RNC and individuals WITHIN the RNC ..... as well as the same with the NRA.

This could be the summer of "The Big Flip".  Sounds like a possible movie, yes?

If both Hope and Manafort flip ..... Trump will be a goner.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rnc-paid-half-million-law-firm-representing-hope/story?id=55328181


Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 29, 2018, 12:33:29 AM
Upon reflection, I think Halper was tasked by Brennan/CIA (Halper's father in law was CIA, Halper has old CIA connections) and Dearlove/MI6 to go sniff around. Then he was presented to the FBI as a source.

Another, perhaps more explosive, issue is : was he tasked by either FBI or CIA to apply for that job thru Navarro in the Trump administration ? That would be quite bold, to put a mole in a presidential administration. I can see Brennan or Dearlove doing it, but not the FBI.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 29, 2018, 04:56:06 PM
Team Trump is trying to bait Team Mueller with media antics, but it won't work because Mueller is a professional:

Title: "Trump says Mueller probe will meddle in midterms"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/29/trump-mueller-russia-investigation-midterms-610041

Extract: "President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the Russia investigation “will be MEDDLING with the mid-term elections” in November, suggesting that special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe is intended to harm the political fortunes of the GOP while it should be examining misconduct that Trump has accused Democrats of.

“The 13 Angry Democrats (plus people who worked 8 years for Obama) working on the rigged Russia Witch Hunt, will be MEDDLING with the mid-term elections, especially now that Republicans (stay tough!) are taking the lead in Polls. There was no Collusion, except by the Democrats!” the president wrote on Twitter on Tuesday morning."

See also:

Title: "“This Is RICO 101”: Why Robert Mueller Isn’t Taking Rudy’s Bait"

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/05/why-mueller-isnt-taking-rudys-bait

Extract: "The Trump camp’s witch-hunt talking points are now dominating the news—but the media battle may be the wrong way to beat Mueller. “It’s exactly what Mueller has been doing his whole goddamn life,” a former F.B.I. senior official says. “It’s just that this time the boss of the family happens to be the leader of the free world.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 29, 2018, 05:26:05 PM
The following is an opinion piece, that postulates that Mueller will submit his report to Rosenstein before the end of August 2018, and that the ensuing fight between the DOJ and the WH regarding what to do with the report will be tumultuous:

Title: "Bob Mueller’s White Hot Summer"

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/29/bob-mueller-trump-rosenstein-fired-218549

Extract: "Special Counsel Robert Mueller may well be in the final stages of wrapping up his principal investigation. Last week, I argued here in Politico that Mueller will want to avoid interfering with the November midterms, and so will try to conclude by July or August.

And this summer may well be the most consequential in presidential politics since 1974, the year Watergate came to a head."

Edit: I should note that in my opinion this Politico analysis could only be relevant to an intermediate Mueller report about Trump's obstruction of justice efforts (which could be complete by the end of August); however, in my opinion the full scope of Mueller's investigate may not result in a final report to Rosenstein until the late 2019 - mid-2020 timeframe.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 29, 2018, 11:48:45 PM
Carl Bernstein warns that Trump appears to be gradually steering the country in the direction of authoritarian rule:

Title: "Carl Bernstein Warns Of ‘Authoritarianism’ As Trump Repeatedly Attacks Mueller Probe"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/carl-bernstein-donald-trump-authoritarianism_us_5b0bf74ae4b0568a880d4d76

Extract: "Legendary journalist Carl Bernstein warned President Donald Trump’s attacks on special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation could have very real ― and very dangerous ― implications for the United States.

Bernstein, who broke the infamous Watergate scandal in the early 1970s with his partner Bob Woodward, discussed the matter during a Sunday appearance on CNN:

“I think we can look at a big picture now with some real definition,” Bernstein said, “in which [it’s a] perilous moment for our country right now.”

“It’s a question of whether lies, authoritarianism and the character of the president of the United States are going to take us to an authoritarian place where we have never been,” he continued, “in which he will bury a duly constituted and legal investigation that will determine whether or not the president is above the rule of law.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 30, 2018, 04:25:16 AM
I believe Gowdy:

Title: "Trey Gowdy: FBI’s Use of Informant for Trump Campaign Was Appropriate "

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trey-gowdy-fbi’s-use-of-informant-for-trump-campaign-was-appropriate/ar-AAxZXyg?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC), the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, said on Tuesday that the FBI’s use of an informant for the Trump campaign in 2016 was appropriate, joining top Democrats in disputing President Donald Trump’s characterization of the informant as a spy.

“I am even more convinced that the FBI did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got, and that it has nothing to do with Donald Trump,” Gowdy said during an interview on Fox News."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 30, 2018, 05:05:33 AM
It looks like Trump cannot stop himself from obstructing justice, but in any case he is certainly leaving a lot of loose threads for Team Mueller to investigate:

Title: "NYT: Trump asked Sessions to reverse his recusal from Russia probe"

https://www.axios.com/trump-asks-sessions-to-reverse-recusal-from-russia-probe--9215cdcd-dec4-4322-90d5-22c1e70433f0.html

Extract: "President Trump urged Attorney General Jeff Sessions last year to reverse his decision to recuse himself from the ongoing investigation into Russian election interference in the 2016 presidential election, the New York Times reports.

Why it matters: Trump, in March of last year, made the request to Sessions who is a key player in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation that is determining whether the president has tried to obstruct justice. Per the Times, the confrontation is being investigated by Mueller's team. A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment to the Times."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 30, 2018, 05:10:40 AM
“It’s a question of whether lies, authoritarianism and the character of the president of the United States are going to take us to an authoritarian place where we have never been,”

While the question of how did a clown like Trump, someone with his 'dubious character' ever become president is obvious, and while there's no legal differences between what Mueller is doing and what Ken Starr was doing so once started it has to come to an end while everyone hopes behind the scenes that everything is being done kosher under the Constitution .... I really do find it remarkable that Bernstein contextualizes the current situation the way he does above .... was he this strident over the WMD, the whole Iraq war debacles, the lead up to the GFC, the use of force in Libya and in Syria, the militarization of the local police forces under Clinton et al,  the Govt and Congressional long term failures surrounding 9/11, the implementation of the Patriot act, the NSA Govt disclosures by Snowdon, the outing of a lying DoD and State dept by Wikileaks, of Torture of the use of drones for targeted killings, the silencing of journalists and whistle-blowers by the Obama Admin using archaic laws, the OBL capture questions, and all the rest of the known "lies, authoritarianism and the character of [many/all] Presidents of the United States" since Richard Nixon.

Maybe he was outspoken on the above issues and was ignored, just saying I do not recall as I don't have a photographic memory about everything.

Carl Bernstein is an American icon, and I don't think that he needs to pass any purity test before he exercises his First Amendment right of free speech to express his opinion.  Just like those who read/hear his opinion are free to do with that information as they will.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on May 30, 2018, 02:45:21 PM
Donnie and company continue to operate a “scorched earth” policy of lying and dividing with the help of lying FOX news and Sean Hannity.

As Michael Cohen, Hope Hicks, and Paul Manafort have more pressure applied this summer ... things will certainly heat up.  And Donnie will ramp up his lie machine even more.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 30, 2018, 04:57:52 PM
Ah yes. I have heard of him. I get a weekly newspaper delivered to 'under my rock.' :)

My comments were not about him personally nor his purity. How did you come to that conclusion? My comment was about the context in which he places Trump and mentioned other incidents as background for my primary comment which was
ASILurker,

Your are more than welcome to your opinions, and icons are not sacred cows whose comments cannot be critiqued.  Nevertheless, as an investigative reporter Bernstein has worked hard to protect civil liberties (from authoritarianism); and I for one, respect his opinion.

Title: "Carl Bernstein"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Bernstein

Extract: "While a young reporter for The Washington Post in 1972, Bernstein was teamed up with Bob Woodward; the two did much of the original news reporting on the Watergate scandal. These scandals led to numerous government investigations and the eventual resignation of President Richard Nixon. The work of Woodward and Bernstein was called "maybe the single greatest reporting effort of all time" by longtime journalism figure Gene Roberts.
...
Bernstein left The Washington Post in 1977 and began investigating a secret relationship between the CIA and American media during the Cold War. He spent a year researching the article, which was published as a 25,000-word piece in Rolling Stone magazine.

He then began working for ABC News. Between 1980 and 1984, Bernstein was the network's Washington Bureau Chief and then a senior correspondent. In 1982, for ABC's Nightline, Bernstein was the first to report during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon that Ariel Sharon had "deceived the cabinet about the real intention of the operation—to drive the Palestinians out of Lebanon, not (as he had claimed) to merely establish a 25-kilometer security zone north from the border."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 30, 2018, 05:49:19 PM
I think that both Nunes and Trump owe Rosenstein a public apology for their 'Spygate' accusations:

Title: "Trey Gowdy dismisses Trump's FBI concerns"

https://www.axios.com/trey-gowdy-fbi-fox-news-trump-tweets-f833c129-f14e-4da9-be90-2e47d3fcdbcc.html?utm_source=sidebar

Extract: "… Gowdy largely dismissed the president's concerns about FBI surveillance of his campaign."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 30, 2018, 05:55:45 PM
Someone should tell Trump that if he humiliates Sessions into resigning that a sufficient number of Senate members will be sufficiently unhappy that they will be unlikely to confirm Trump's nomination to replace Sessions any time soon, and in the meantime Rosenstein would be the acting AG:

Title: "Trump: I wish I didn't pick Jeff Sessions as attorney general"

https://www.axios.com/trump-tweets-i-wish-i-didnt-pick-jeff-sessions-c509d358-746e-42c8-a8c3-3b4db3573320.html?utm_source=sidebar

Extract: "Why it matters: Just one day after Trump said he wouldn't be focusing his energy "on the Rigged Russia Witch Hunt," his tweets show that the subject is still very much on his mind, rekindling fears that he might choose to fire Sessions and derail Special Counsel Robert Mueller's probe."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 30, 2018, 06:04:31 PM
The Mueller investigation is on track to add to its record of solid results for holding the guilty accountable:

Title: "Mueller team moves another case toward sentencing"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/29/mueller-russia-probe-sentencing-richard-pinedo-610843

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller's prosecutors indicated Tuesday that they're ready to move toward sentencing of another defendant who pleaded guilty in the ongoing probe of Russian influence in the 2016 presidential election.

Prosecutors asked a federal judge to order a pre-sentencing report for Richard Pinedo, a Santa Paula, California, man who admitted in February to a felony identity fraud charge relating to the sale of bank account numbers that apparently helped Russian internet trolls pay for social media ads related to the U.S. presidential race."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 30, 2018, 06:35:09 PM
Just imagine how much 'dirt' Freidman must have offered-up on Cohen in order to get such a sweet plea deal:

Title: "'Taxi King' gets better plea deal after raid on Trump's lawyer"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/29/politics/taxi-king-gene-freidman-plea-deal-michael-cohen/index.html

Extract: "New York state authorities sweetened a plea offer made to a taxi operator who partnered with President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen after federal authorities raided Cohen's home, office and hotel room, according to court transcripts.

Evgeny "Gene" Freidman, known as New York's "Taxi King," pleaded guilty last week to criminal tax fraud for failing to pay $5 million in taxes in a deal that would allow him to avoid prison time."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on May 31, 2018, 08:02:11 AM
Whatcha mean i can't go on tour ? I quit !

Judge Wood lays down the law:

"You're entitled to publicity. I can't stop you — unless you're participating in a matter before me."

Avennatti don't wanna do that:

"In the document Avenatti filed in court Wednesday, he said he is withdrawing his request to intervene "

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/389915-avenatti-withdraws-motion-to-represent-stormy-daniels-in-cohen-case

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on May 31, 2018, 05:03:31 PM
Bernstein

So you imagine I had never heard of Carl Bernstein and needed educating. You're too kind and so incredibly welcoming of my humble opinions, observations & querying it simply takes my breath away. Have at it.

No need to take umbrage.  This is a public forum, not a private discussion between any two individuals.  Many readers here may not have realized that the Bernstein in question is the same as of "Woodward and Bernstein" fame.  Nor of Bernstein's additional credentials.
There's a much wider audience here than the frequent posters here may realize.
We need to craft our words for the benefit of the wider audience here.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 31, 2018, 05:42:33 PM
While Giuliani is waging a public campaign against the Mueller Investigation (to help fight possible impeachment proceedings, which are political in nature), he is strengthening Mueller's legal case for obstruction of justice:

Title: "Watergate prosecutor: Giuliani has admitted Mueller has good obstruction case"

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/389885-watergate-prosecutor-giuliani-has-admitted-mueller-has-good

Extract: "A former Watergate prosecutor said late Tuesday that President Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani basically "admitted" that special counsel Robert Mueller has a good case for obstruction of justice.

Assistant Watergate special prosecutor Jill Wine-Banks said on MSNBC's "The 11th Hour with Brian Williams" that Giuliani's recent comments about limiting the questions Mueller's team could ask Trump about collusion and obstruction could be a basis for that case.

"He said, 'Oh I'm fine with collusion because there’s no collusion, but obstruction, that’s a matter of interpretation,'" Wine-Banks said. "And it isn’t. Facts are a funny thing. The truth and the facts will come out, and I don’t think it’s going to show that it’s a matter of interpretation, but of guilt." Wine-Banks also said that Giuliani is trying to control the public's understanding of the negotiations with Mueller's investigators, who are probing Russia's meddling in the 2016 presidential election and possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

“You have unanswered accusations from Giuliani that Mueller cannot and must not answer because he’s acting appropriately,” she said. “Giuliani can say whatever he wants and then he can say, ‘And see how unfair it was, they didn’t want to agree to that, they said they would and then they wouldn’t.’""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on May 31, 2018, 05:58:31 PM
Whatcha mean i can't go on tour ? I quit !

Judge Wood lays down the law:

"You're entitled to publicity. I can't stop you — unless you're participating in a matter before me."

Avennatti don't wanna do that:

"In the document Avenatti filed in court Wednesday, he said he is withdrawing his request to intervene "

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/389915-avenatti-withdraws-motion-to-represent-stormy-daniels-in-cohen-case

sidd

After Avenatti dropped his request to participate in the FBI's criminal case against Cohen (in order to avoid the judge from stopping his "publicity tour"), Avenatti then announced to the media that there had been "a shocking admission" in court, saying Cohen's lawyer "admitted that there are audio recordings that Michael Cohen was taking for years."  Furthermore, Avenatti has called for these tapes to be made public because "I know for a fact that one or more of these conversations do describe things that are inappropriate"; and the tapes include conversations with Trump:

Title: "Avenatti alleges Michael Cohen recorded 'inappropriate' conversations"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/30/politics/michael-avenatti-cohen-trump-recordings/index.html

Extract: "Michael Avenatti, the lawyer representing adult film actress Stormy Daniels, alleged in an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper on Wednesday that Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's longtime personal attorney, had recorded "inappropriate" conversations.

In the same interview, Avenatti also alleged Trump is among the people on the recordings.

Earlier on Wednesday, Avenatti dropped his request to participate in the court battle tied to the FBI raid of Cohen's hotel and office after a federal judge said that in order to be admitted into the New York proceedings, he would need to "stop your publicity tour."

Addressing the media, Avenatti then told reporters there had been "a shocking admission" in court, saying Cohen's lawyer "admitted that there are audio recordings that Michael Cohen was taking for years."

Avenatti is now calling for the public release of any recordings made by Cohen.
When pressed by Tapper on why the American people should have access to Cohen's private conversations, Avenatti said, "I know for a fact that one or more of these conversations do describe things that are inappropriate."

"People are allowed to have conversations," Avenatti said, "but they're not allowed to tape or record those conversations unless they have permission, unless you're in a single party state. A number of these recordings were made illegally, they should be disclosed now to the American people."

Avenatti added that "our understanding is there are countless hours of recordings of conversations between Michael Cohen and others" and "the conversations include conversations with Mr. Trump.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 01, 2018, 05:13:50 AM
Trump's lawyer Cohen sets the standard for discourse for making 'America Great Again'"

Title: "LISTEN: How Michael Cohen Protects Trump By Making Legal Threats"

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/31/615843930/listen-how-michael-cohen-protects-trump-by-making-legal-threats

Cohen to reporter Tim Mak:

"I'm warning you, tread very f***ing lightly because what I'm going to do to you is going to be f***ing disgusting. Do you understand me? Don't think you can hide behind your pen."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on June 01, 2018, 03:18:46 PM
  I am beginning to think all these people and the issues arising out of the Mueller investigation are as irrelevant to his brief about the 'trump campaign and Russia' as Ken Starr's,

No.  Mueller's remit quite explicitly goes beyond investigating the influence of Russia on the 2016 campaign.  He's charged with investigating these matters also as a national security matter, not just a criminal investigation.  Beyond this, his is charged with investigating any criminal matters that arise in the course of his investigation.

A contributor raised the same concern you have, a number of weeks ago.  I posted a link to Mueller's authorizing document.

If his work has gone far afield, it's because the facts have led him there.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 01, 2018, 06:33:54 PM
It seems clear to me that Trump's obstruction and pardon moves follow a path that leads to increased authoritarian governance in the US:

Title: "It's not normal: Trump’s obstruction and pardon moves"

https://www.axios.com/trump-obstruction-pardon-mueller-investigation-11d9bbe9-53d8-44a9-b5be-78bf4bd7aa41.html

Extract: "By any historical measure, it’s highly unusual for President Trump to repeatedly pressure his attorney general to intervene in an investigation of the White House, as Axios scooped late yesterday.

Why it matters: By any historical measure, it’s highly unusual to have a special prosecutor probing whether a president obstructed justice during his first days in office, like the Robert Mueller investigation is doing. By any historical measure, it’s highly unusual for a president this early in his term to pardon a controversial political donor (conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza) — and to signal he might pardon other celebrity criminals, like Trump did yesterday with Martha Stewart and more.

Be smart: Maybe these three events are mere coincidence. But almost no one around Trump, even his closest allies, thinks this is the case.

•   WashPost front pager, "With pardon, president sends a signal": "Trump ... delivered an indirect but unmistakable message to personal attorney Michael Cohen, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and others ensnared in Trump-related investigations that they, too, could be spared punishment.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 01, 2018, 06:49:11 PM
Like if I was the POTUS and I had the power, as an example of what I mean, the very first thing I would do after having my Attorney General confirmed would be to have him appoint 535 Special Prosecutor teams to investigate every single member of Congress' last 'Campaign' plus any criminal matters that arise in the course of their investigation.

In a government with checks and balances, the AG together with Congress, have the upper hand in the fight against Trump's numerous abuses of power (or your imaginary appointment of 535 Special Prosecutors without providing evidence of wrong doing):

Title: "Trump fumes, but Sessions may have the upper hand"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/31/trump-sessions-relationship-power-616114

Extract: "The president continues to publicly taunt his attorney general in part because he knows firing him would only multiply his legal and political woes.

Republicans on Capitol Hill moved to protect Sessions months ago in the face of Trump’s parade of insults, with Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley saying in July that he will not hold hearings to confirm a successor if Sessions is dismissed. "
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 02, 2018, 03:33:35 AM
Let's put aside criminal investigations of Congress and the White House.
...
Such an approach may be much faster, easier and more effective to clean out the stables than any Mueller investigation or another election could ever be.

Nevertheless, this thread is about the "Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation" and other topics belong in other threads.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 02, 2018, 07:54:49 PM
Such as the following comment by Buddy. My guess is hell will freeze over before he is taken to task for being off-topic and frivolous.

Which illustrates why Donald Trump never apologizes, so I guess that turnabout is fair play.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 02, 2018, 10:30:35 PM
Trump accuses Mueller of leaking confidential letter rom Trump attorneys:

" ... a New York Times story, published minutes later, that revealed the contents of a confidential 20-page letter Trump's attorneys reportedly sent to Mueller's team earlier this year."

"The unprecedented letter contends that Trump could not possibly be charged with obstruction of justice for firing former FBI Director James Comey last year, as the Constitution grants the president absolute authority over federal investigations."

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/390402-trump-accuses-doj-muellers-office-of-leaking-his-attorneys-letters

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 02, 2018, 11:47:32 PM
Trump accuses Mueller of leaking confidential letter rom Trump attorneys:

If/when we get that far, Team Trump will be allowed to present their evidence to the House Judiciary Committee during the impeachment process.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 03, 2018, 12:11:54 AM
Quote
Such as the following comment by Buddy. My guess is hell will freeze over before he is taken to task for being off-topic and frivolous.

A cold front moved into central Florida and indeed ....... it looks like Hell has frozen over!

I will go remove the entry that ASILurker complained about.

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 03, 2018, 12:18:18 AM
So ..... Donnie and the whole klan are going to Camp David this weekend .... without Barron and “Melanie”.  Sounds like an innocent 😇 weekend away with the family.  Nothing to see there .... right?

I hope Donnie never plays poker.  My friends will clean him out.  And chances are, so will Bob.

============================================================

The above was the post that I removed for ASILurker.  Apparently he didn't understand my SCARCASM.  If ANYONE thinks that Donnie and company aren't spending their WHOLE WEEKEND planning...

1)  How to address all the issues of the Mueller Investigation
2)  How to address all the issues with the Cohan investigation (and his likely flipping)
3)  Figuring out how to coordinate with the White House communications department at FOX News .....

Then I have a downhill snow skiing slope I would like to sell you in Tampa Bay....

THAT IS ALL THEY ARE DOING THIS WEEKEND.  And Melanie is NOT invited ....because there is an OUTSIDE CHANCE that she could be called as a witness....as well as Donnie Jr.'s ex.

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 04, 2018, 12:13:36 AM
Team Trump has more legal problems associated with the statement Trump dictated on the Trump Tower meeting:

Title: "Admission that Trump dictated statement on Trump Tower meeting raises new questions"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/admission-that-trump-dictated-statement-on-trump-tower-meeting-raises-new-questions/ar-AAyaABj?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: ""Jay Sekulow said time and time again directly into the faces of the American people on television - Sarah Sanders did the same thing, and said in no uncertain terms... they said the president had nothing to do with that statement by Donald Trump Jr. and didn't draft it, didn't sign off on it," former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said on CNN's "State of the Union."

"And it turns out that is completely untrue," he said.

Bharara - who was fired by Trump last year - added that, when looked at in full context, the events surrounding the Trump Tower meeting and subsequent fallout may put the president or some of his allies in legal jeopardy."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 04, 2018, 05:41:43 PM
For how long have Manafort and Trump been conspiring?  Hopefully, Mueller can connect the dots.

Title: "A Timeline of Paul Manafort’s Relationship with Donald Trump"

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/10/a_timeline_of_paul_manafort_s_relationship_with_the_trump_world.html

Extract: "They’ve known each other since the 1980s."

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 04, 2018, 05:59:36 PM
Trump thinks that he could pardon himself even if he shoot someone in the street (like James Comey & he likely thinks that the GOP controlled House doesn't have the backbone to impeach him for any crimes that he has committed):

Title: "Trump tweets: "I have the absolute right to PARDON myself""

https://www.axios.com/trump-tweets-mueller-investigation-pardon-power-9ff444ed-6705-41cb-a78f-7c88a3569054.html

Extract: "President Trump addressed the question of whether or not his pardoning power extends to himself and the Mueller investigation on Twitter Monday morning."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 04, 2018, 06:05:14 PM
If you don't think that Trump won't test the limits of his abuse of power (particularly w.r.t. the Mueller investigation), then 'you aren't paying attention':

Title: "Trump’s mind-control superpowers"

https://www.axios.com/trump-persuasion-gop-republicans-mueller-investigation-e1f12159-3635-4134-bde9-d8cd4ee7a92e.html

Extract: "Trump and allies are floating untested legal arguments: The president can't obstruct justice, or can unilaterally shut down probes of himself, or can even pardon himself. If you think he won't try something unprecedented — and maybe get away with it, at least with Republicans — you aren’t paying attention."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 04, 2018, 11:05:37 PM
So yes nothing wrong in investigating the Trump campaign and asking serious questions and testing their responses.  Nor was investigating Clinton's 2016 campaign while they are at it. But who is going to investigate the FBI, and who is going to investigate the entire US Congress and all the rest who live in "the swamp" there?

Who is going to Investigate the entire body News Media and Social Media and Internet Search Industry - the people who work in it and run it - in the USA?

If you accept Trump's lawyer's point of view that Trump (as head of the DOJ) is personally free to shoot anyone who he thinks is misbehaving; then if you think so many people in Congress, or in the Judiciary (including the Supreme Court), or in the Mueller investigation are misbehaving, then just Tweet the Donald and he can go shoot them for you, just like Saddam Hussein use to do in Iraq :P
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 04, 2018, 11:37:45 PM
A deal in the works ? Grassley postpones hearing to June 11 on OIG report

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/06/01/grassley-postpones-hearing-on-doj-inspector-general-report-about-the-fbis-handili-n2486396

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 05, 2018, 07:30:19 AM
Manafort accused of witness tampering:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/manafort-attempted-to-tamper-with-potential-witnesses-u-s-special-counsel-idUSKCN1J1043

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 05, 2018, 01:58:08 PM
When Cohen is indicted, it will be interesting to see how much information is given in the indictment. It is likely to impact what both Donnie AND Paul Manafort do.  Also, note that indictments can be “superceded” (as more information is gathered or comes to light).  That was the case in the Manafort indictment .... and the same thing may happen with Cohen.

Manafort, Cohen, and Traitor Don are clearly in DEEP SHIT.  Who would have guessed? 🤔   This is looking like a very bad summer for the Trump “Klan”.

If I were Kevin McCarthy ..... I would be VERY WORRIED 😧.  In fact, there are quite a few folks that should be very worried right now.  This is going to be one ugly summer for a LOT of people in Congress.  They have a LOT of explaining to do. 


Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 05, 2018, 04:38:43 PM
If anyone assumes that my comments amount to being a Trump apologist it is a very very foolish assumption. I was so well informed and judicious about U.S. politics and the Media I fully expected he'd win the election (all things being equal.) Nothing unfolding now is a surprise to me either. There's a civil war going on inside the U.S. 'deep state' apparatus and beltway. Been going on for ages unseen and unnoticed by the naive and gullible. Trump is but a minor manifestation of that. He's no less a patsy than GW Bush was. At least George eventually worked that out for himself with the benefit of hindsight toward the end of his final term.

Almost everyone else, Mr Abrupt included obviously, have not even begun to scratch the surface. A direct result of not paying attention to the evidence and data made worse by a distinct lack of genuine Objectivity and buckets of unobserved internalized Bias.

Mr Lurker,

I am both sorry and disappointed if you did not catch the drift of my reply. 

First, when the FBI started their investigations into potential wrong doing by the Trump Campaign in 2016, several times they went before FISA court judges and submitted sufficient evidence of potential wrong doing that the judges allowed them to open several investigations.  Then when Trump apparently obstructed justice on these several investigations by firing Comey in 2017, Rosenstein authorized the Mueller investigation because Sessions had to recuse himself due to his proven involvement in these matters.  While your post called for opening multiple investigations apparently related to your belief that an alleged 'deep state' involving the intelligence community, the legislature, etc. are also responsible for wrong doings; but you presented insufficient evidence to convince any judge that such multiple investigations are warranted. Thus I mistakenly assumed that you preferred the authoritarian approach used by Stalin, and others, to open investigations without adequate evidence and then to push through preconceived judgments on to executions.

Second, I recommend that either you move such lines of discussion in to the "Deep State" thread, or that you open other threads on the topics of other wrong doings that you want to discuss that are not related to either the Mueller or the Cohen Investigations, as no court/judge in this country is going to accept your preconceptions about 'deep state' activity based on the evidence that you have cited to date. See also the following article:

Title: "Trump's spiral into 'criminal deep state' madness continues"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/huppke/ct-met-trump-spy-russia-mueller-huppke-20180523-story.html

Extract: "The person Trump was referring to as a spy is actually a longtime FBI informant (there’s a difference, Google it) named Stefan Halper. He’s an emeritus professor at the University of Cambridge in England and a lifelong Republican who was part of past GOP administrations. (Funny how all the VERY BAD Deep State traitors out to get Trump are Republicans, including Mueller himself.)"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 05, 2018, 04:58:58 PM
Mueller has evidence that Manafort sent encrypted messages to potential witnesses against him, encouraging them to commit perjury during the up-coming trials.  If the judge agrees then Manafort will likely be sitting in a jail cell for months while he awaits his trials; which will likely increase the chances that he will cut a plea deal, in order to reduce his time in jail:

Title: "Mueller accuses Manafort of witness tampering"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/mueller-manafort-witness-tampering/index.html

Extract: "The Special Counsel's Office has accused former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort of attempting to get witnesses to lie for him in court, and they've asked the judge to send him to jail as he awaits his trial, according to a filing in DC District Court Monday night.

One of the witnesses told investigators recently that Manafort wanted them to commit perjury about a lobbying effort they worked on for him in the US, the filing said."

See also:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/manafort-attempted-to-tamper-with-potential-witnesses-u-s-special-counsel-idUSKCN1J1043
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 05, 2018, 05:23:00 PM
Trump's tweets are designed to push simple repetitive messages to his supporters, in order to politically pressure GOP representatives in Congress (particularly the House Oversight Committee and/or a future impeachment committee) into inaction.  Nevertheless, they regularly expose him to legal trouble, as is the case in his recent tweet, where he acknowledges that Sessions had reason to recuse himself in the Mueller investigation, which underscores the fact that the Mueller investigation is justified, at least because Sessions had legitimate reasons to recuse himself:

Title: "Trump Just Accidentally Strengthened the Case for Sessions’ Recusal"

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/06/jeff-sessions-russia-recusal-trump-tweets/

Extract: "President Donald Trump again expressed regret about appointing Jeff Sessions as his attorney general, claiming in a Tuesday morning tweet that had he known Sessions would eventually recuse himself from overseeing the ongoing Russia investigation, he would have “quickly picked someone else.”

In declaring that Sessions “knew better than most” regarding questions of collusion, Trump underscored the argument that Sessions’ recusal was in fact wholly appropriate by suggesting he had firsthand knowledge of events relevant to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 05, 2018, 06:18:54 PM
Trump has beat the media down the point that they try to make Trump's criminal tweets seem reasonable.  The Inspector General Michael Horowitz, works for Trump, and in his tweet this morning Trump tells Horowitz that he is investigating 'Crooked Hillary' and 'Slippery James Comey' and Trump implies that if Horowitz does not report evidence of their wrong doing then the IG report must have been illegitimately 'made weaker' (i.e. the process is rigged by the deep state).  If there is any rigging going on regarding this report it is that Trump is telling his employee that he already knows that Hillary is crooked and that Comey is slippery, which is an attempt by Trump to politically weaponize the IG report before it is issued.

Title: "Trump criticizes 'numerous delays' in release of IG report on Clinton's email use"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/05/trump-inspector-general-report-clinton-624178

Extract: "President Donald Trump complained Tuesday that there have been “numerous delays” in the release of the Justice Department inspector general’s report on the FBI’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server during her tenure as secretary of state, expressing concern that the report is being “made weaker.”

“What is taking so long with the Inspector General’s Report on Crooked Hillary and Slippery James Comey. Numerous delays,” the president wrote on Twitter. “Hope Report is not being changed and made weaker! There are so many horrible things to tell, the public has the right to know. Transparency!”"

See also:
Title: "DOJ Inspector General Report Could Be ‘Decisive’ in Clinton Email Case"

https://thecrimereport.org/2018/06/04/doj-ig-could-be-decisive-voice-in-clinton-email-case/

Extract: "Justice Department inspector general Michael Horowitz may become a decisive voice in the partisan controversies over the FBI’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server when she was secretary of state, and its subsequent probe of the Trump campaign and Russia, the Washington Post reports. Horowitz is expected to release a nearly 500-page report criticizing the Justice Department and FBI for their handling of the Clinton email investigation. Meanwhile, he has intensified his review of the Russia investigation, interviewing the FBI agent who once led the case.  Those who know Horowitz say his findings will be as nonpartisan as they are thorough. His work is almost certain to be weaponized by President Trump against federal law enforcement, and some question whether it will quell the tension gripping Washington. “He’s going to be unflappable, he’s going to be apolitical, he’s going to call it like he sees it,” said Mary Jo White, a former U.S. Attorney in New York City who supervised Horowitz when he worked there."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on June 05, 2018, 10:11:04 PM
As much as I am interested in world politics and US politics in particular, I'm going to unsubscribe/unnotify from these discussions, so I can fully focus on the Arctic. I've learned a lot from these discussions, so my thanks go out to everyone participating in them.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 06, 2018, 12:52:34 AM
Senate releases Page-Strzok texts: several hundred pages

Extent of antipathy for trump really comes thru. But worse, if these are the FBI's best, they are a pretty sorry lot. The backstabbing and maneuvering is reminiscent of Borgia politics.

Titbit from page 330 of the pdf: FBI has emails detailing extent of White House control or lack thereof of the investigation in August 2016

2016-08-05: 16:37:25 Fri: Strzok to Page: "And hi. Went well, best we could have expected. Other than [redacted] quote, "the White House is running this."

16:37:46 : My answer, "well maybe for you they are" \U0001f612 [Tears of Joy smilie ]

...

16:55:26 : Page to Strzok : "Yeah, whatever (re the WH comment). We've got emails that say otherwise"

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Appendix%20C%20-%20Documents.pdf

sidd

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 06, 2018, 01:01:57 AM
The Bill who features so prominently in the Page-Strzok texts is almost certainly Bill Priestap, Strzok direct boss and in charge of clinton email investigation (referred to as MYE in the texts)

Who is, right now, being grilled by House Judiciary Committee.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lawmakers-question-fbi-officials-review-clinton-probe/story?id=55644798

Well, that testimony should leak innabit.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 06, 2018, 01:39:13 AM
Apparently Loretta Lynch (Obama Attorney General who met Bill Clinton during the hilary email investigation at the airport) knew when she made the statement on the first of July 2017 that DoJ would accept FBI director recommendation on Clinton charges that no charges would be filed.

Page to Strzok: 2016-0701:11:30:47 : "And yeah, it's a real profile in couragw, since she knows no charges will be brought. \U0001f612 [Tears of Joy] "

link to dump of texts upthread. Page 285 in the pdf.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 06, 2018, 03:26:21 AM
Maybe the negotiations for McCabe's immunity will cause Grassley to delay his hearings:

Title: "Andrew McCabe seeks immunity for testimony in congressional hearing over FBI handling of Clinton email probe"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/andrew-mccabe-seeks-immunity-for-testimony-in-congressional-hearing-over-fbi-handling-of-clinton-email-probe/ar-AAygCkH?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe has requested the Senate Judiciary Committee provide him with immunity from prosecution in exchange for testifying at an upcoming congressional hearing focused on how senior officials at the FBI and Justice Department handled the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server, according to a letter obtained by CNN.

"Under the terms of such a grant of use immunity, no testimony or other information provided by Mr. McCabe could be used against him in a criminal case," wrote Michael Bromwich, a lawyer for McCabe, to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley, who has requested McCabe testify next week.

Grassley, an Iowa Republican, has quietly requested that several former officials appear in front of the Judiciary Committee to discuss the long-awaited internal Justice Department report, which sources say will detail a series of missteps surrounding the Justice Department and FBI's investigation into Clinton's handling of classified information while secretary of state."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 06, 2018, 07:26:09 AM
Grassley is an old hand at these games.

McCabe and Comey are in a knife fight on who knew what and when. McCabe lawyer has already accused Comey of lying. McCabe wants immunity as a get outta jail free card, but Grassley won't give it to him without sumpn juicy that he can trade. Remember, he is working on the tariff bite to iowa soybean to china, iowa fed pork to mexico as well.

Another interesting point is that Grassley wants Lynch on the hot seat too. Probably in the light of the fact that Grassley has been privy forawhile to the Strzok-Page text message dump. So he knew that her effective recusal on the hilary email case in her statement on the first of july that she would accept FBI judgement was made after she knew FBI would not proffer charges anyway.

sidd

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 06, 2018, 08:01:10 PM
Ryan confirms that Trump's claim of the existence of a 'Spygate' is inaccurate:

Title: "Paul Ryan: Gowdy's statement contradicting Trump on spying claims is 'accurate'"

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/390970-paul-ryan-gowdys-statement-contradicting-trump-on-spying-claims-is-accurate

Extract: "Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on Wednesday pushed back against President Trump’s “spygate” claims, siding with Rep. Trey Gowdy’s (R-S.C.) defense of the FBI’s investigation into Trump’s campaign and Russia."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 06, 2018, 08:06:04 PM
McCabe wants immunity as a get outta jail free card, but Grassley won't give it to him without sumpn juicy that he can trade.

If Grassley pushes too hard, McCabe will just invoke his 5th Amendment rights:

Title: "McCabe, fired FBI official, could invoke 5th Amendment before Senate panel"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/05/mccabe-fifth-amendment-fbi-627754

Extract: "Andrew McCabe, the former FBI deputy director, “will have no choice but to invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege” if called to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee next week without immunity against the use of his testimony in criminal prosecution, according to a letter from his lawyer to the panel’s Republican chairman."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 06, 2018, 08:20:52 PM
Mueller is progressively building more and more evidence about the web of actives during the 2016 election that may well prove very damaging to Team Trump:

Title: "Cambridge Analytica director 'met Assange to discuss US election'"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/06/cambridge-analytica-brittany-kaiser-julian-assange-wikileaks?CMP=share_btn_tw

Extract: "A Cambridge Analytica director apparently visited Julian Assange in February last year and told friends it was to discuss what happened during the US election, the Guardian has learned.

Brittany Kaiser, a director at the firm until earlier this year, also claimed to have channelled cryptocurrency payments and donations to WikiLeaks. This information has been passed to congressional and parliamentary inquiries in the UK and US.

Cambridge Analytica and WikiLeaks are already subjects of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, but the revelations open up fresh questions about the precise nature of the organisations’ relationship."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 06, 2018, 08:26:26 PM
The dealing around the proposed Trump Tower in Moscow may provide a link from Putin to Team Trump:

Title: "Ivanka Trump Was In Contact With A Russian Who Offered A Trump-Putin Meeting"

https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycormier/ivanka-trump-putin-moscow-meeting-michael-cohen-tower?utm_term=.fubJyyQ1dW#.dmj3ww0XmO

Extract: "Her contact, a Russian Olympic weightlifter, said a meeting between Trump and Putin could expedite a Trump tower in Moscow."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 06, 2018, 08:33:19 PM
It will be interesting to see whether Trump eventually gives Papadopoulos a pardon, before he is given a chance to testify:

Title: "Mueller was investigating Trump adviser George Papadopoulos as unregistered agent of Israel, his wife says"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-mueller-george-papadopoulos-20180605-story.html

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller last summer threatened to charge George Papadopoulos, a former campaign adviser to President Donald Trump, with acting as an unregistered agent of Israel, Papadopoulos' wife said Tuesday.

Simona Papadopoulos' assertion that Mueller threatened her husband with another charge, first reported by the Daily Caller, came as she conducted a series of media interviews this week in which she argued that her husband never conspired with Russia to assist Trump's campaign."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 06, 2018, 10:10:00 PM
OIG report already leaking: Comey, Lynch, McCabe criticized

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-watchdog-finds-comey-defied-authority-fbi-director/story?id=55670834

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 07, 2018, 01:49:20 AM
Another law suit, this time against Keith Davidson:

Title: "Stormy Daniels sues former lawyer, accuses him of being a 'puppet' of Trump and Michael Cohen"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/stormy-daniels-sues-former-lawyer-accuses-him-of-being-a-puppet-of-trump-and-michael-cohen/ar-AAyjq5u?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "Porn star Stormy Daniels sued her former lawyer and President Donald Trump's attorney Michael Cohen on Wednesday, claiming they jointly "hatched a plan" to get her to falsely deny an affair with Trump on Fox News.

Daniels' suit alleges her ex-attorney, Keith Davidson, "abdicated his role as an advocate" for the actress, "and instead elected to be a puppet for Mr. Cohen and Mr. Trump.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 07, 2018, 02:47:32 AM
Michael Avenatti is creating a REAL PROBLEM for Traitor Trump and his band of idiots like Sean Hannity.  I think the "wise men" have ANOTHER LEGAL PROBLEM now.......

Hmmmmm..... I wonder if Sean Hannity or his criminal attorney (which I assume he has hired by now) has taken a look at California Penal Code 182PC?

California Penal Code 182 PC:

Quote
As stated in California Penal Code 182 PC, a criminal conspiracy takes place when one....

1.agrees with one or more other people to commit a crime, and
2.one of them commits an overt act in furtherance of that agreement.1

Any member of the conspiracy may commit the overt act...which doesn't need to be criminal in and of itself. But does need to be performed before the commission of the agreed upon offense.

These guys are making the Watergate plumbers look like international spies.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/stormy-daniels-suit-my-old-lawyer-was-puppet-trump-cohen-n880476

https://www.shouselaw.com/conspiracy.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 07, 2018, 10:34:26 AM
Will Melania Trump be called as a material witness in Daniels suit against Cohen & Davidson, as she was at least in the room when Cohen & Davidson were texting each other about Daniels?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKriB9R8uc8
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 07, 2018, 02:03:33 PM
Here's a good summary ..... of some of the activity by the Trump campaign in initially lying about Russian contacts during the campaign, as well as bringing in Cambridge Analytica and Wikileaks.  This is about a 15 minute video that is well worth you watching.....  And remember.... Mueller knows a LOT MORE than we do about this, and the public information is pretty damning already.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/new-cambridge-analytica-revelations-connect-trump-russia-dots-1250043459593?playlist=associated

Many of you can now likely see JUST HOW BROAD AND HOW DEEP the Mueller investigation runs.  It is WAY....WAY.... more deep and broad than Watergate ever was.  It deals with international banks, international companies, other governments (Russia, Ukraine, England, etc).

So while the "obstruction" part of the Mueller investigation may be "wrapped up" by sometime this summer or fall ...... the other parts of the investigation will definitely NOT be wrapped up.

And while Mueller will no doubt wait to subpoena Traitor Don until after the North Korea summit.... that is definitely coming this summer, as is a likely case (or two) going before the Supreme Court, and Donnie's ultimately invoking the 5th amendment.




Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on June 07, 2018, 03:59:53 PM

And while Mueller will no doubt wait to subpoena Traitor Don until after the North Korea summit.... that is definitely coming this summer, as is a likely case (or two) going before the Supreme Court, and Donnie's ultimately invoking the 5th amendment.

Trump will, no doubt, continue to dither about with "negotiations" about terms for an interview with Mueller--simply a stalling tactic.  Mueller will, no doubt, eventually resort to a grand jury subpoena.  It is inconceivable to me that Trump will actually give substantive testimony.  Even if he were as innocent a a newborn lamb, he's incapable of saying more than a paragraph without including a lie, i.e., criminal perjury. 

Most such truth-impaired individuals would simply invoke 5th amendment rights to remain silent.  Trump, being routinely over the top, might just refuse to comply with a GJ supoena to appear.  Supreme Court would surely order compliance, eventually.  Trump has enough chutzpah to defy the Supreme Court, maybe.  It's hard to imagine that federal Marshals would march into the Oval Office to drag him to the grand jury. 

There will surely be drama coming, but surely no substantive testimony from Trump, any way you cut it.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 07, 2018, 04:45:18 PM
Tell me it 'aint so:

Retired US Army colonel levels stunning accusation about Trump's relationship with Putin
Quote

A retired US Army colonel lieutenant and military analyst said he believes President Donald Trump may be on the tip of the spear with Russian intelligence. Ralph Peters suggested during a CNN interview on Wednesday night that Russian President Vladimir Putin has "some kind of grip on Trump," pointing to the US president's documented affinity toward Putin, and his hesitation to speak critically of the Kremlin. Peters, who trained in Russian studies, the Russian language, and has experience with Russian intelligence officers, indicated that what he sees in Trump's behavior are the signs of someone who may be compromised by one of the US's most formidable enemies.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/805add13-950f-3627-b56c-5c294c0f4a7d/ss_retired-us-army-colonel.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 07, 2018, 05:36:56 PM
This entry shows you just HOW AWFUL FOX News is  ....... and how AWFUL SEAN HANNITY IS.  He and FOX are nothing more than a LIE MACHINE.  And now..... Sean Hannity is telling people to BREAK THE LAW.

This is the same Sean Hannity that has been working WITH DONALD TRUMP TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE FOR A YEAR OR LONGER.  SAME GUY.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sean-hannity-tells-mueller-investigation-witnesses-to-destroy-evidence-2018-6

And SEAN and FOX have been lying about global warming for the last 20+ years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GvXX7PCkQ0

And FOX is the one who LIED ABOUT PHILADELPHIA PLAYERS ...... FOX saying they were "kneeling during the national anthem", when in fact they were KNEELING TO PRAY.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/05/media/fox-news-philadelphia-eagles-kneeling/index.html

Just 5 minutes of REAL JOURNALISM and FOX could have called the players in question and asked them why they were kneeling in the picture.  But that wasn't what FOX wanted to show.

FOX has NEVER been a journalism site.  All they are is a mouthpiece for whatever they want to push.  FOX lies about the lack of gun control in the US ...... FOX lies about global warming ...... FOX lies about what a traitor Donald Trump is.

FOX has always posed the most danger to a democracy in the US.... and they continue to do so today.  They don't care about kids getting killed in schools ..... they don't care about anyone getting killed in mass murders in the US ...... they don't care about the environment in the US or elsewhere ......  They are, quite simply, a LIE MACHINE.





Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 07, 2018, 09:45:45 PM
Why is it that so many Trump roads lead to either Russia or the Ukraine?

Quote
"We started [JFA] in 2009, and through a series of very interesting and lucky circumstances we wound up doing a lot of work in Eastern Europe, mostly in Ukraine, from 2009 to 2013," Fotiadis said in a video interview with the Kiyv Post. "Then things went dark for a while, and now I'm back, because things seem to be coming back." The interview was videoed on location at the Skyline, a high-rise condominium in downtown Kiev that Fotiadis helped design.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/meet-the-new-york-architect-who-was-a-key-figure-in-trumps-deals-and-connections-in-eastern-europe/ar-AAyiBmz?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=iehp
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 08, 2018, 05:19:05 PM
The Senate Judiciary Committee is helping to link the Trump campaign & Russia:

Title: "Senate Investigators May Have Found a Missing Piece in the Russia Probe"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/former-gop-congressman-embroiled-in-the-russia-probe/562343/

Extract: "An ex-congressman has attracted scrutiny from the Senate Judiciary Committee, as it continues to investigate whether President Donald Trump’s campaign conspired with Moscow to sway the 2016 presidential election.

Curt Weldon, a Republican and former Pennsylvania congressman, lost his reelection campaign more than a decade ago following an FBI probe into his ties to two Russian companies. He has “connections to both Russia and the Trump campaign” that are raising suspicions among senators, a spokeswoman for Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein said. Feinstein is the committee’s ranking member, and wants to interview Weldon, the spokeswoman said."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 08, 2018, 05:34:00 PM
As much as I am interested in world politics and US politics in particular, I'm going to unsubscribe/unnotify from these discussions, so I can fully focus on the Arctic. I've learned a lot from these discussions, so my thanks go out to everyone participating in them.

Smart move. I concluded my input yesterday. Nothing to see, do or know here or the other threads one can't easily access somewhere else already - if interested. When an opinion or personal insight or an historical background context or reference is expressed it's rare to find anyone who can actually understand what's being said and why. Or cares.  :)

May as well be here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.politics where not much has  changed since 1997-1999 when I was reading that now and then.

Nothing is going to change much or improve in US politics anyway. It's a dead letter.

Mr. Lurker,

Does this post indicate that at some point you are going to stop posting in this thread, because it is a waste of your time?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 08, 2018, 05:45:10 PM
Mueller knows how to squeeze a crime syndicate:

Title: "Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/mueller-team-zeroes-in-on-encrypted-apps-as-witness-turn-in-phones.html

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is requesting that witnesses turn in their personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging programs and potentially view conversations between associates linked to President Donald Trump, sources told CNBC.

Since as early as April, Mueller's team has been asking witnesses in the Russia probe to turn over phones for agents to examine private conversations on WhatsApp, Confide, Signal and Dust, according to the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Fearing a subpoena, the witnesses have complied with the request and have given over their phones, the sources said."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 08, 2018, 06:47:27 PM
Why would an innocent man be so fixated on the potential for him to pardoning himself?

Title: "Trump doubles down, says he has 'absolute right to pardon myself'"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391334-trump-doubles-down-on-claim-he-has-absolute-right-to-pardon-myself

Extract: "President Trump on Friday doubled down on his claim that he can pardon himself for any potential crimes but insisted that he would not have to because he hasn't broken the law.
"I have an absolute right to pardon myself," Trump told reporters outside the White House before departing for the G-7 summit."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 08, 2018, 08:36:52 PM
The long arm of the law strikes again:

Title: "Mueller Indicts Manafort and Associate With 'Ties to Russian Intelligence' on Charges of Obstructing Justice"

https://www.alternet.org/mueller-indicts-manafort-and-associate-ties-russian-intelligence-charges-obstructing-justice

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller on Friday filed a superseding indictment against former Donald Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

Mueller also indicted longtime Manafort associate Konstantin Kilimnik with conspiracy to obstruct justice.

Kilimnik, who Mueller identified in previous filings as “Person A” with “ties to Russian intelligence,” is a Russian-Ukrainian consultant …"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 09, 2018, 10:53:37 PM
Wolfe was the one leaking on Muellers case against Page to Watkins:

"It is not clear why Wolfe focused his alleged leaking on Page."

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/08/senate-leak-carter-page/

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on June 11, 2018, 04:12:35 PM
Good stuff above re. Elisabeth Warren.


What must be remembered is that while ending Citizen's United is a necessity, overturning that ruling isn't itself nearly enough. Corruption at every level of government existed well before Citizen's United had become the law of the land.


The Burr-Hamilton duel was fought in part over allegations of influence peddling and ties to the Holland Land Company. Things didn't improve in the centuries leading to the Citizens United ruling.
Undoing Citizen's United is a necessary first step, but that ruling simply codified practices that have been ongoing for a very long time.


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 11, 2018, 04:17:20 PM
Some posts in this thread (e.g. Mr Lurker) indicate that the powers that be (i.e. the alleged deep state) are biased in favor of the Mueller Investigation, & implying that there is no more evidence indicating Trump-Russia conspiratorial actions than there is evidence for many other matters that such be investigated (that involve the alleged deep state).  However, the linked article indicates that Mueller has plenty of evidence (probable cause) of Trump-Russia collusion and thus should legally initiated investigation should continue without obstruction:

Title: "There’s actually lots of evidence of Trump-Russia collusion"

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17438386/trump-russia-collusion

Extract: "Republicans from Donald Trump on down have made “no collusion” a mantra. The term itself is ill-defined in this context; you won’t find in the US code. But roughly speaking, the question is whether the campaign got involved with Russian agents who committed computer crimes to help Trump win the 2016 presidential election.

The verdict on this is unclear. But there is certainly plenty of evidence pointing toward collusion; what you would call “probable cause” in a legal context, or what a journalist might simply consider reason to continue investigating the story. And the investigating thus far, both by special counsel Mueller and by journalists working on the story, has been fruitful. The efforts have continued to turn up contacts between Trumpworld and Putinland, cover-ups, and dishonesty.

Even as recently as Friday afternoon, we got new indictments charging Trump’s former campaign chair and his former GRU operative business partner with witness tampering and obstruction of justice."

Also, I repeat that information of possible wrong-doing by the alleged deep state belongs in other threads.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 11, 2018, 04:27:10 PM
The special master in the Trump-Cohen case recently ruled that nearly all of the evidence seized from Michael Cohen’s office and residence are admissible in court. Donald Trump’s lawyers then asserted that they had the right to object to the evidence, while keeping the nature of their objections a secret. Last Friday, the judge in the case ruled that if Trump wants to file objections, he’ll have to make them public.  This is a clear win for the DOJ's investigations of Trump-Cohen:

Title: "Judge Denies Trump’s Secrecy Claim in Review of Cohen Documents"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/nyregion/trump-cohen-secrecy-denied.html

Extract: "Striking a note for transparency, a federal judge ruled on Friday that President Trump and his longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, cannot proceed in total secrecy as they weigh in on the final stages of a laborious review of a huge trove of materials seized from Mr. Cohen during a series of raids by the authorities in April.

For two months now, Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen’s lawyers have been fighting with prosecutors in Manhattan over how to handle the millions of documents and data files that federal agents hauled away from Mr. Cohen’s office, apartment and hotel room. The chief dispute concerned the question of who should get to determine what materials were protected by the attorney-client privilege that Mr. Trump enjoys in his dealings with Mr. Cohen. Those determinations are important because any file covered by that privilege could be withheld from the prosecutors who are investigating Mr. Cohen’s various business projects, including some involving Mr. Trump.

The battle over the materials — a vast cache of Mr. Cohen’s papers, data files from several of his iPads, cellphones and computer drives, and even the contents of one of his shredders — could determine how much and what kinds of evidence the government has at its disposal as it pursues its investigation."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 12, 2018, 02:58:22 PM
There’s actually lots of evidence of Trump-Russia collusion
The untenability of the “no collusion” talking point.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17438386/trump-russia-collusion

Matthew Yglesias writes a good article in VOX.  For anyone watching closely, there have been many signs of collusion and conspiracy between Donnies campaign and the Russians.

Just as in Donnies small crowd size on his inauguration ...... if Donnie says he had the biggest crowd in history, and he repeats it enough, some people are going to believe him.  And that has always been Trumps tactic:  Project and repeat.  Project and repeat....

The circumstantial case for collusion

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It’s worth backing up to recall what we all saw on camera before anyone knew anything about an FBI investigation, before FBI Director James Comey was fired in an effort to halt the investigation, and before Mueller and his team revealed anything:
•Two separate hacks of Democratic Party emails — one purloining a trove of internal Democratic National Committee emails and one that stole a ton of correspondence from John Podesta’s personal Gmail account — were perpetrated over the course of 2016, by what are now believed to have been agents operating on behalf of the Russian government.
•These emails were not immediately released, and they were not released by the hackers who obtained them. Instead, the emails were disseminated to the public by using Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as an intermediary. Their releases also seemed strategically timed — the DNC emails disrupted efforts to create a show of unity between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders at the beginning of the Democratic National Convention, while the Podesta emails were released right after the infamous Access Hollywood tape.
•Trump and his campaign, at the time, believed these emails were a big deal and cited them frequently. Trump built substantial portions of his campaign messaging around narratives — typically half-true at best — contained in the emails, and made no bones about welcoming the hacking.
• “WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks,” he said on several occasions on the campaign trail, and he also explicitly called on the Russian government to hack and release Hillary Clinton’s emails.
•Trump also spent the 2016 campaign running an overtly pro-Russian campaign message, praising Vladimir Putin’s leadership, defending him from allegations of murdering his political opponents, and calling for a realignment of US strategy in Syria and Ukraine.

I would not necessarily call any of this “evidence” of collusion, but it’s certainly grounds for suspicion. It gave the impression that Trump was on some level coordinating his campaign messaging with the Russian hackers, and that either he was taking a pro-Putin line in exchange for Russian help or he sincerely believed in the pro-Putin line and therefore saw nothing wrong with accepting Russian assistance.

As Muellers team continues to work on the case.... and as investigative journalists continue to unearth more and more contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign (which the Trump campaign lied about previously, by the way) .... we can expect more and more layers of the onion to be peeled back.

Future indictments of Cohen, Manafort, Trump Jr. and others are sure to provide more insights into the conspiracy between Trumps campaign and the Russians.

Tick...tick...tick.... Donnie boy.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 13, 2018, 02:05:54 AM
Mueller is required to take the high road, while the parties that he is pursuing (including Russia) are free to take the low road.  The system is rigged in favor of the bad doers:

Title: "Mueller worries Russia could use court case to spy on probe"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-worries-russia-could-use-court-case-to-spy-on-probe/ar-AAyyupR?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is worried that Russian intelligence services will use a criminal case in Washington to gather information about its investigation and U.S. intelligence-gathering methods.

In court papers filed Tuesday, prosecutors are asking a federal judge to impose limits on the information that can be shared by attorneys in the first criminal case directly related to Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

So far, only one defendant, Concord Management and Consulting LLC, has appeared in the case, and prosecutors say they're worried information they provide to the company's attorneys could end up in the hands of other defendants or Russian spy agencies."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 13, 2018, 01:16:26 PM
Russia Keeps Meddling, Mueller Says in Bid to Guard Evidence

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The Russians are accused of producing propaganda, posing as U.S. activists and posting political content on social media as so-called trolls to encourage strife in the U.S. The evidence includes between 1.5 and 2 terabytes of data and involves U.S. residents not charged with crimes who the government says were unwittingly recruited by Russians to engage in political activity, prosecutors wrote.

Hmmm.... I wonder where I could find a troll "lurking" on social media?  ;)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-12/mueller-seeks-order-protecting-evidence-in-russia-troll-case
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: magnamentis on June 13, 2018, 04:04:50 PM
LOL

У нас есть наши заказы. Я должен выполнить их, или моя семья в России будет отправлена в ГУЛАГ в сибирской!

no we all know that you speak russian but a post in that language won't be shared with too many hence i'd call it's clogging the thread/forum.

perhaps you just wanted to make a joke or keep it private but that would be what PM is for if i may say so.

in case you're russian, i have no issues with that, my wife is from st. petersburg and my kids hold russian passports beside the swiss passport of course, just sayin' to avoid misunderstandings ;)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 13, 2018, 04:45:28 PM
It looks like Cohen is going to flip on Trump ;):

Title: "Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen likely to cooperate as his attorneys leave case, sources say"

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-cooperate-attorneys-leave-case/story?id=55861988&cid=social_twitter_abcn

Extract: "As attorneys for Michael Cohen rush to meet Judge Kimba Wood’s Friday deadline to complete a privilege review of over 3.7 million documents seized in the April 9 raids of Cohen’s New York properties and law office, a source representing this matter has disclosed to ABC News that the law firm handling the case for Cohen is not expected to represent him going forward.

Cohen, now with no legal representation, is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in New York, sources said. This development, which is believed to be imminent, will likely hit the White House, family members, staffers and counsels hard."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 13, 2018, 05:24:12 PM
As Manafort was allegedly illegally lobbying GOP Congressmen, I guess this means that some of Trump's Congressional allies (like Nunes) could soon be caught-up in the Mueller investigation.

Title: "Mueller unveils more proof Manafort led Ukraine lobbying in U.S."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/12/mueller-manafort-evidence-ukraine-lobbying-643476

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller made public new evidence Tuesday that former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort directed an organized but unregistered lobbying campaign in the U.S. on behalf of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

In a public court filing, Mueller's team released two memos from 2013 detailing Manafort's involvement in efforts to influence debate in Congress and in the U.S. press about the imprisonment of Yanukovych's main political rival, Yulia Tymoshenko."

See also:

Title: "Rosenstein plans to call on House to investigate its own staff"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/politics/rod-rosenstein-house-investigation/index.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: RealityCheck on June 14, 2018, 09:17:06 PM
The statistics on time of postings for a given user can be informative as to location of that user. Everyone has to sleep sometime, even political operatives. I note for example that Kazakhstan is c. 6 hrs east of London. Adjacent areas are plus or minus one hour. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 14, 2018, 10:13:21 PM
*Remember when Donnie was doing his disco dance with the Saudis on his trip to Saudi Arabia?

*Remember that Jarred Kushner is good friends with Bibi in Israel?

*Remember that Donnie and Jarred blackmailed Qartar?


https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/tom-barrack-draws-mueller-s-eye-to-uae-saudi-arabia-nyt-1255451203631?playlist=associated

Yes.... this corruption goes MUCH MUCH deeper and wider than most people think.....
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 14, 2018, 10:33:57 PM
Yes .... Mitt's niece is in DEEP DEEP SHIT.  I don't think even Uncle Mitt can save her sorry ass now.  As head of the RNC, she has been helping to cover up for Reince Preibus when he was the head of the RNC during the campaign.

After Reince moved to the White House ..... Ronna Romney moved to the head of the RNC where she has helped to cover up things.

BAD RONNA..... BAD.

Mitt has changed his tune on Donnie (now sucking up to Donnie) for two reasons:  (1) He had a rougher primary in Utah than he should have, and (2) he needs to try and save his nieces behind.

This ..... along with the NRA involvement, don't get enough "airtime".  But there is PLENTY of trouble ahead for both the NRA and the RNC.

http://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/rnc-chair-goes-berserk-cohen-trump/10793/
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 14, 2018, 11:40:17 PM
The implications of the Horowitz Report findings are that if the FBI had followed protocol, Clinton would be POTUS now:

Title: "The long-awaited inspector general report on the FBI, Comey, Clinton, and 2016, explained"

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/14/17448960/inspector-general-report-justice-fbi-clinton-emails-comey

Extract: "The report contradicts President Trump’s often-expressed belief that the investigation was rigged to get Clinton off the hook. Justice Department inspector general Michael Horowitz found little affirmative evidence on the whole that political bias affected officials’ handling of the probe itself.
...
Horowitz concluded that while Comey didn‘t act out of political bias, he “usurped the authority of the Attorney General,” “chose to deviate” from established procedures, and engaged “in his own subjective, ad hoc decision making.” He writes that the Clinton email case was indeed extremely unusual — but that established procedures “are most important to follow when the stakes are the highest.”

But even though Horowitz’s report largely isn’t about the Russia investigation, it’s being released in a political context dominated by both Mueller’s probe and Trump’s attacks on his Justice Department. Indeed, Trump has recently signaled that he’s eagerly anticipating the IG report, since it was expected to criticize Comey, and he is trying to undermine Comey’s credibility."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 15, 2018, 05:57:51 PM
The link Axios article discusses the likely plan by GOP allies of Trump to try to use the Inspector General's report to undermine Mueller.  However, the reality of the matter is that any/all of the FBI's/Comey's departures from protocol occurred before Mueller as assigned to his investigation, and the IG report had no criticism of Mueller at all.  It appears that Team Trump is trying to pull a snow job on potential voters prior to the midterm elections:

Title: "Between the lines: GOP will use Justice report vs. Mueller"

https://www.axios.com/gop-justice-department-mueller-investigation-c51f2e5a-70a1-44e4-abbf-a3e90f58d757.html

Extract: "The Justice Department's inspector general report on the FBI's handling of its investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails during the 2016 presidential election gave new ammunition to President Trump and other Republicans to undermine special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, the Washington Post reports.

The big picture: Republicans touted the report as a meaningful development that will damage Mueller's credibility with the public and hold up President Trump."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 15, 2018, 10:51:55 PM
Even if this LA Times reporting is advising readers not to get to excited, Trump must be having a meltdown now that Manafort is behind bars:

Title: "Is Paul Manafort about to take down the Trump regime? Whoa, there, let's not get too excited"

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-ol-enter-the-fray-will-manafort-behind-bars-mean-anything-1529081535-htmlstory.html

Extract: "A lot of anti-Trumpists are likely taking pleasure in the notion of Paul Manafort getting sent to jail today after a judge revoked his bail over allegations of witness tampering. But it’s unclear whether this will have much impact on the investigation by Robert S. Mueller III into possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election.
Remember, the case against Manafort deals primarily with action taken before he became Trump’s campaign manager. The array of federal money laundering and conspiracy charges against Manafort are serious, especially with this new set of witness-tampering charges.

At best, though, those charges are pressure points for Mueller – as the risk of prison time becomes higher, the more incentive there is for Manafort to cut a deal and cooperate with Mueller on what he knows – if anything – about ties and contacts between the campaign and the Russians, or anything else, for that matter.

Presuming for the sake of argument that Manafort actually has information Mueller can use, he has a strategic gamble to make: Cooperate and enrage Trump, or sit pat and hope the pardon-happy president comes to his rescue (a long shot, that, given the political fallout).

For Manafort, the witness-tampering allegation is the second time he has allegedly behaved improperly since his indictment. The charges arose from contacts Manafort allegedly made with two witnesses, one of whom told investigators he believed Manafort was trying to get him to lie over the nature of Manafort’s lobbying efforts.

Earlier, Manafort co-wrote an op-ed in the Ukraine defending the work he had done there prior to joining Trump’s campaign. That appeared to violate a gag order in the case, though the judge did not sanction him then."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 15, 2018, 11:00:08 PM
Trump's tweet cited in the linked article makes him look like both a whiner and a dictator wannabe by proposing to lock-up both Comey and Clinton without presenting evidence of 'probable cause' as Mueller did to get Manafort locked-up:

Title: "Trump: “Very unfair” that Manafort was sent to jail after alleged witness tampering"

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/15/17468684/trump-manafort-jail-mueller

Extract: "President Trump responded to a judge’s decision to send Paul Manafort to jail by ticking off his former campaign chair’s résumé.

“Wow, what a tough sentence for Paul Manafort, who has represented Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole and many other top political people and campaigns,” Trump tweeted Friday afternoon. “Didn’t know Manafort was the head of the Mob. What about Comey and Crooked Hillary and all of the others? Very unfair!”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 15, 2018, 11:30:35 PM
If there is evidence that Giuliani received leaked FBI information about reopening the Clinton investigation, and then disclosed that unauthorized information; he could soon be in legal hot water:

Title: "FOIA Request – Federal Bureau of Investigation – Giulliani Leak"

https://www.citizensforethics.org/foia/foia-request-federal-bureau-of-investigation-giulliani-leak/

Extract: "CREW requests copies of all records pertaining to the FBI’s investigation of the source of the leak of information to Rudolph Giuliani in October 2016 that then-FBI Director James B. Comey was going to reopen the investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email system, which Mr. Comey announced on October 28, 2016.

On October 28, 2016, 11 days before the election, then-FBI Director Comey sent a letter to Congress announcing that the FBI was reopening its investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails in light of new information found, but not yet examined by the FBI. Two days earlier Mr. Giuliani telegraphed this announcement on Fox News, stating “I do think that all of these revelations about Hillary Clinton are beginning to have an impact. He’s got a surprise or two that you’re going to hear about in the next two days.” Mr. Giuliani subsequently admitted that he had received advanced notice of this development.

More recently, when asked whether Mr. Giuliani had received advance notice from the FBI about the FBI’s reopening of its investigation, Mr. Comey stated:

“I saw that same publicity and so I commissioned an investigation to see if we could understand whether people were disclosing information out of the New York office or any other place that resulted in Rudy’s report on Fox News and other leaks that we were seeing in the media.”

Any unauthorized disclosure of information about an FBI investigation would violate the Privacy Act, 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b), and the Hatch Act, 5 U.S.C. § 7323(a)(1), if the disclosure was made with the purpose of affecting the result of the election."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 15, 2018, 11:39:20 PM
I believe that a case could be made that Giuliani should be charged with witness tampering due to his public suggestion that Trump might pardon those caught up in the Mueller probe, just hours after Manafort was put in jail for witness tampering:

Title: "Giuliani: Mueller probe 'might get cleaned up' with presidential pardons"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392533-giuliani-mueller-probe-might-get-cleaned-up-with-presidential-pardons

Extract: "President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani suggested Friday that Trump could issue pardons for those caught up in the special counsel probe.

Giuliani made the comments to the New York Daily News hours after a judge revoked bail for Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort over alleged witness tampering, sending him to jail pending his trial in September."

See also:
Title: "Giuliani predicts presidential pardons for those accused in Mueller probe"

https://www.axios.com/rudy-giuliani-paul-manafort-e20dd209-d2a3-4cfe-98ed-f3cb7c098927.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 15, 2018, 11:43:42 PM
The judge in Daniels's defamation lawsuit against Cohen, protected Avenatti's right to free speech:

Title: "Judge rejects Cohen's request for gag order against Stormy Daniels's lawyer"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392506-judge-rejects-cohens-request-to-block-avenatti-from-speaking-to-press

Extract: "A judge has rejected Michael Cohen’s request for an emergency gag order against adult-film star Stormy Daniels’s lawyer."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 15, 2018, 11:56:49 PM
Per Clapper, the U.S. intelligence community officials were "pretty confident" that they had correctly identified a "suspect" that worked for Russian intelligence and that passed DNC emails to WikiLeaks:

Title: "Clapper: There was a "suspect" in Kremlin-WikiLeaks DNC email transfer

https://www.axios.com/clapper-there-was-a-suspect-in-the-kremlin-wikileaks-dnc-transfer-1529075499-320be1a4-e31f-464c-9578-4b2dd983d1c0.html

Extract: "U.S. intelligence identified a "suspect" that worked for Russian intelligence to pass Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails and documents to WikiLeaks, James Clapper, the former Director of National Intelligence, told Yahoo News’ Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman on their podcast “Skullduggery."

Yes, but: Clapper said he doesn’t know whether the suspicions were validated. He also doesn’t know whether they were conveyed to Special Counsel Bob Mueller. Intelligence officials were "pretty confident at the time" about the suspect, "but not sufficient enough to publicize it," Clapper said. Clapper served in his role until January 20, 2017.

Why it matters: This chips away at President Trump's repeated denial of assessments that Russia was behind the 2016 information breach. It also strikes another blow against WikiLeaks’ claims that it did not obtain the hacked emails from Russia.

•   Clapper said Russia ensured the transfer to WikiLeaks was done through a "cut-out" so that its founder, Julian Assange, would have "plausible deniability" about where the emails and documents came from."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on June 16, 2018, 12:59:07 AM
I believe that a case could be made that Giuliani should be charged with witness tampering

I believe that belief meets the standard for hyperbolic emotive hand-waving on internet forums. :)

No need to be insulting.  Serious legal minds suggest that dangling a pardon can constitute obstruction of justice:
Why Dangling a Pardon Could Be an Obstruction of Justice—Even if the Pardon Power is Absolute
https://www.justsecurity.org/54356/dangling-pardon-obstruction-justice-even-pardon-power-absolute/ (https://www.justsecurity.org/54356/dangling-pardon-obstruction-justice-even-pardon-power-absolute/)

". . . Instead, a pardon has only been dangled before Flynn and Manafort, and the analysis of whether that action could become part of an obstruction case against Trump raises entirely different considerations. . . ."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on June 16, 2018, 02:27:41 AM
I didn't insult anyone's beliefs. I called out an insultingly gratuitous statement couched as a belief.

A public forum is not the place to denigrate the reasoning of others.  It's a place to address assertions thoughtfully.

You didn't actually have any comment on the reference  provided.  The words quoted weren't from the  editorial board of any newspaper, they were the legal reasoning of Alex Whiting,
"Professor of Practice, Harvard Law School; former federal prosecutor at the Department of Justice and the U.S. Attorney's Office in Boston; served as Investigations Coordinator and Prosecutions Coordinator at the International Criminal Court."

Dangling the prospect of a pardon in front of an indicted witness can, it seems, constitute obstruction of justice.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on June 16, 2018, 04:28:30 AM
I didn't insult anyone's beliefs. I called out an insultingly gratuitous statement couched as a belief.

There you go again. Insulting my beliefs and then accusing me of not even having a genuine belief. What gives you the right to tell others they are not entitled to believe their own beliefs? This is more than insulting it's forum totalitarianism. 

No, out-of-context assertion of personal belief can easily be an insult.  "I believe Mr. Smith is a jerk" is an insult couched as an assertion of a belief.

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A public forum is not the place to denigrate the reasoning of others.
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Then please stop doing that to me.

I haven't.  I've addressed your public assertions, not your personal reasoning.
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You didn't actually have any comment on the reference  provided.  The words quoted weren't from the  editorial board of any newspaper, they were the legal reasoning of .....

Correct. But so what? Your comment is an irrelevant comment.

My comment was only about the comments made by the poster who posted the 'reference provided.' Did you miss that fact? I thoughtfully addressed what I chose to address. That you don't personally like that is irrelevant as well. You do not get to tell me what I chose to address and what I choose to ignore (as you have chosen now to ignore my comments about your references above.) If you think/believe that you do have such a right, then I think you need to go have a really close look at that attitude/belief and consider revising it.

Your personal tastes are of no importance to me. What you call "insulting" I call an astute thoughtful observation of the state of play presented as playful good nature humor - of little import. What you call "an insultingly gratuitous statement couched as a belief" I call a valid genuine personal belief using an artful literary style you personally find objectionable. Your complaint has been noted and filed appropriately. I have made my simple point. I have noted your disagreement. No need to repeatedly focus on my comment as something worthy of rehashing again.

Now, should you wish to proceed to formulate an intelligent argument as to why you believe "Serious legal minds suggest" something of great import about "obstruction of justice", then do proceed. But you have no rational excuse to involve me directly or in any other whatsoever whilst you may, or may not, "address your assertions thoughtfully."

Please, go right ahead (the floor is yours to use as you wish) but do leave me out of it. Thank you.

The assertion you disputed was that dangling a pardon in front of an indicted witness could be obstruction of justice. Correct me if I'm wrong.  I supplied reasonably authoritative opinion that this was so.  So, is AbruptSLR's comment reasonable or not?  If it's reasonable, I think you owe him an apology.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on June 16, 2018, 06:11:58 PM
Just for giggles.


Has an American court ever ruled on whether "Dangling the prospect of a pardon in front of an indited witness" does in fact constitute obstruction of justice?


Is there a precedent under British common law?


What was the ruling?


Were the circumstances at all similar to those in this instance?


Can falsely accusing someone of attempting to obstruct justice be considered an attempt to abrogate that person's right to free speech?
Terry



Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 17, 2018, 05:01:42 AM
Manafort knows Mueller list in Ukrainian related actions:

"Jackson did not order Mueller's team to make public the identities of the individuals and companies involved, who are often referred to by pseudonyms in the indictment and other court filings. She simply told prosecutors to give that information to Manafort's attorneys."

"prosecutors will be likely be unable to present evidence about businesses or people not on it."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/12/mueller-unnamed-figures-manafort-638800

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 18, 2018, 11:19:24 AM
If the Mueller investigation is allowed to run its full course, hopefully Congress can see past Team Trump's ongoing Shlomi-type media blitz tactics during the impeachment proceedings:

Title: "Trump must resist temptation to pardon Manafort for real crimes"

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/392607-trump-must-resist-temptation-to-pardon-manafort-for-real-crimes

Extract: "After a few weeks on the job, President Trump s attorney Rudy Giuliani is beginning to sound like the Vince Shlomi of constitutional law. Shlomi became a household name for his mesmerizing low-grade “ShamWow” commercials promising a towel that “holds 20 times its weight” and “doesn’t drip, doesn’t make a mess.” He would ask, “Why do you want to work twice as hard?” when you could just pull out a ShamWow.

Asked about the jailing of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort for witness tampering, Giuliani declared, “Things might get cleaned up with some presidential pardons.” The only thing missing to complete the Shlomi comparison was a picture of a pardon soaking up a bowlful of special counsel Robert Mueller’s indictments.

The pardon power is not a ShamWow for presidents to clean up scandals."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 18, 2018, 02:12:10 PM
Every time someone shakes a tree ...... another Russian falls out.  This time it was from Roger Stone. 

In addition, looks like Devin Nunes was leaking FBI material to Traitor Don.  Who would have guessed? 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

And don't forget Jason Chaffetz ...... who is now lying for FOX News.  I'm not sure that FOX is going to want to continue his contract when he goes to prison.  Maybe he'll get Rudy as a cell mate. 

The Russian trolls have been busy ..... and will likely stay busy over the next couple of months.  Donnie better hurry up and "hook up" with little Vladi in Vienna ....... his days are numbered ...
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on June 18, 2018, 11:43:35 PM
The Mueller investigation is leaking like a sieve from unnamed sources close to the investigation since it started.
Bullshit. (Not an insult :) but a statement of fact.)
The "leakers" are named subjects of the investigation. Or well-known co-conspirators like Nunes or Giuliani, or idiotic self&Trump-campaign self incriminators like Nunes or Giuliani or Stone :)

Just a handful of known knowns  ;D

E.g.,
as recently trump-eted by the right wing propaganda machine (Fox News, Zero Hedge, etc. etc.)  Nunes illegally got something in 2016 from rogue FBI agents (perhaps the revoluzzerz friends of Giuliani in the NY FBI bureau).
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-16/we-had-whistleblowers-nunes-reveals-good-fbi-agents-tipped-congress-about-comey (Saturday)

Problem is,
Quote
Adam Schiff appeared on Meet The Press on Sunday and confirmed that whatever was going on between Devin Nunes and these FBI agents, he was never looped in. That alone means Nunes committed a crime by obtaining this leaked information from rogue agents and then hiding it from his committee counterpart. But it’s even worse, because Nunes didn’t say “I” – he said “we.” In this context, the only possible “we” is the Donald Trump campaign.
Evil MSNBC...
http://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/devin-nunes-incriminates-others-trump/10889/



 
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 18, 2018, 11:55:25 PM
2016 knife fight in the FBI between HQ and NY: FBI NY office leaked to Nunes about the same time as they found the emails:

" ... dissident agents in the New York office contacted him[Nunes] in late September 2016 ..."

" ... the FBI first found these Clinton emails on September 26, meaning that agents in the New York office contacted the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee even before top officials in the FBI’s Washington headquarters knew of them"

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/06/18/wash-j18.html

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 19, 2018, 12:22:24 AM
Some FBI agents, during Comey's watch, were working to sink Clinton's campaign:

Title: "Here’s what’s buried beneath that FBI report: How rogue agents sabotaged the Clinton campaign"

https://www.salon.com/2018/06/18/heres-whats-buried-beneath-that-fbi-report-how-rogue-agents-sabotaged-the-clinton-campaign/

Extract: "There was no FBI conspiracy against Trump. But agents loyal to Rudy Giuliani were eager to sink Hillary Clinton"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 19, 2018, 06:28:50 AM
"Some FBI agents, during Comey's watch, were working to sink Clinton's campaign"

Those seem to have been in NY. And some at HQ were working to sink Trump.

--
"[Trump is] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!" Page, who also worked on Mueller's staff, responded.

"No. No he won't. We'll stop it," Strzok texted back.
--

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/14/fbi-agents-text-reportedly-disclosed-by-justice-watchdog-well-stop-trump-from-becoming-president.html

The FBI has been politicized since Hoover. Now people are mad about it ? Lil late innit ?

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 19, 2018, 12:50:41 PM
Democrats press U.S. Justice Dept. officials on possible leaks to Giuliani


Rudy, Chaffetz, Nunes...... all involved in this.  But that was known BEFORE the election.

Quote
U.S. Senate Democrats on Monday pressed Justice Department officials about whether some FBI agents may have leaked damaging information about Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to Rudy Giuliani, now an adviser to U.S. President Donald Trump, shortly before the 2016 election.

In response to questions from Democrats during a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, FBI Director Chris Wray said his office was "aggressively investigating a number of leaks," but offered no details.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-press-us-justice-dept-officials-on-possible-leaks-to-giuliani/ar-AAyPDO8?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=iehp
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 19, 2018, 04:21:47 PM
Do you think that in the 2018 midterms that Mercer and Team Trump will have Emerdata Ltd (a legacy company of the discredited Cambridge Analytica) use psychographics in order to game that election?

Title: "Cambridge Analytica won't be revived under new company name, executive says",
Byline: May 8, 2018:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-cambridge-analytica-shutting-down-20180508-story.html

Extract: "Several media outlets had pointed to filings on U.K. business registry Companies House showing Cambridge Analytica executives had set up a London-based firm in August 2017 called Emerdata Ltd. Rebekah and Jennifer Mercer, the daughters of conservative hedge fund tycoon and Trump supporter Robert Mercer, joined the board in March.

Title: "Psychographics: the behavioural analysis that helped Cambridge Analytica know voters’ minds", Byline: March 21, 2018:

https://theconversation.com/psychographics-the-behavioural-analysis-that-helped-cambridge-analytica-know-voters-minds-93675

Extract: "But there is also the matter of what Cambridge Analytica actually did with the data. In fact the data crunching company’s approach represents a step change in how analytics can today be used as a tool to generate insights – and to exert influence.

Cambridge Analytica was contracted to the Trump campaign and provided an entirely new weapon for the election machine. While it also used demographic segments to identify groups of voters, as Clinton’s campaign had, Cambridge Analytica also segmented using psychographics. As definitions of class, education, employment, age and so on, demographics are informational. Psychographics are behavioural – a means to segment by personality.

Title: "Cambridge Analytica CEO talks to TechCrunch about Trump, Hillary and the future:
Byline: November 6, 2017:

https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/06/cambridge-analytica-ceo-talks-to-techcrunch-about-trump-hilary-and-the-future/

Extract:"
"MB:
But did you use psychographics in the Trump campaign or didn’t you?

Nix:
No, we didn’t. We’ve been absolutely, incredibly clear about this. We used psychographics all through the 2014 midterms. We used psychographics all through the Cruz and Carson primaries. But when we got to Trump’s campaign in June 2016, whenever it was, there it was there was five and a half months till the elections."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on June 19, 2018, 04:29:34 PM
Here is another source of information that I happened across in my reading last night.  I haven't thoroughly "vetted it" as yet.  But I thought I would put it out there with the caveat that it is not yet vetted.

https://themoscowproject.org/briefings/

Things are going to continue to pick up speed in the coming days and weeks:  (1)  Donnie will likely either announce he is not going to sit down with Mueller, OR Mueller is going to subpoena Donnie, (2) Roger Stone and Michael Cohen are in the "on deck circle" for having charges initiated against them, (3)  Donnie continues to look for any means to cause a ruckus .... thereby confusing some people, etc.

More fans ..... more shit hitting the fans.... rinse, repeat...

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 19, 2018, 08:29:29 PM
"Some FBI agents, during Comey's watch, were working to sink Clinton's campaign"

Those seem to have been in NY. And some at HQ were working to sink Trump.

--
"[Trump is] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!" Page, who also worked on Mueller's staff, responded.

"No. No he won't. We'll stop it," Strzok texted back.
--

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/14/fbi-agents-text-reportedly-disclosed-by-justice-watchdog-well-stop-trump-from-becoming-president.html

The FBI has been politicized since Hoover. Now people are mad about it ? Lil late innit ?

sidd

I note that the released report by IG Horowitz said almost nothing about Giuliani's role in the leaks by the FBI.  As there is public information that Giuliani was in contact with New York FBI agents about the Clinton emails, it is reasonable to assume that Horowitz has Giuliani under criminal investigation:

Title: "Justice Department watchdog says probes ongoing into disclosure of Comey memos, FBI leaks"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-michael-horowitz-christopher-wray-congress-20180618-story.html

Extract: "The Justice Department inspector general said Monday that his office is still probing possible misconduct in the FBI's safeguarding of its own secrets — from how former Director James Comey handled his private memos, to whether others under him may have given sensitive details to reporters.

Inspector General Michael Horowitz revealed the continued investigative work to lawmakers on the Senate Judiciary Committee, which on Monday conducted the first hearing to examine his 500-page report assessing how the FBI handled the high-profile investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while she was secretary of state."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on June 19, 2018, 11:31:39 PM

I note that the released report by IG Horowitz said almost nothing about Giuliani's role in the leaks by the FBI.  As there is public information that Giuliani was in contact with New York FBI agents about the Clinton emails, it is reasonable to assume that Horowitz has Giuliani under criminal investigation:

Extract: "The Justice Department inspector general said Monday that his office is still probing possible misconduct in the FBI's safeguarding of its own secrets — from how former Director James Comey handled his private memos, to whether others under him may have given sensitive details to reporters.

Inspector General Michael Horowitz revealed the continued investigative work to lawmakers on the Senate Judiciary Committee, which on Monday conducted the first hearing to examine his 500-page report assessing how the FBI handled the high-profile investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while she was secretary of state."


I'm unsure what crime you believe Giuliani is guilty of? AFAIK he's simply acting as a private attorney employed by Trump.
Why wouldn't he be allowed to talk to FBI agents or anyone else for that matter?
Why wouldn't he be allowed to speak about what he had discovered?
Is there a gag order on the case that limits what he can say about his own research?
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 20, 2018, 12:02:53 AM

I'm unsure what crime you believe Giuliani is guilty of? AFAIK he's simply acting as a private attorney employed by Trump.
Why wouldn't he be allowed to talk to FBI agents or anyone else for that matter?
Why wouldn't he be allowed to speak about what he had discovered?
Is there a gag order on the case that limits what he can say about his own research?
Terry

Here is a link and an extract from a November 3, 2016, NYT article about how before Trump was elected and before Giuliani became Trump's lawyer, Giuliani was boasting on Fox & Friends about how FBI officials were leaking information to Rudy about how they tried and failed to entrap the Clintons:

Title: "As Trump Ally, Rudy Giuliani Boasts of Ties to F.B.I."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/04/nyregion/as-trump-ally-rudy-giuliani-hints-at-ties-to-the-fbi.html

Extract: "Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, seemed in a giddy mood when he was interviewed last week on the “Fox & Friends” morning television show.

Tireless if often wildly inaccurate in his attacks on Hillary Clinton’s ethics, health and work as a United States senator and as secretary of state, Mr. Giuliani has been spending every minute in the public spotlight as a surrogate for Donald J. Trump.

His most remarkable claim is that he has a pipeline into the Federal Bureau of Investigation and that agents tell him they are “outraged” that they have not been able to bring Mrs. Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, to justice."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on June 20, 2018, 01:03:57 AM
How does any of the above equate with criminal behavior?


Giuliani may well provide a revolting example of Trumpsterism, but instead you accused him of criminal behavior.


While one side screams that Hillary should be locked up, while the other wants Trump's lawyer to be criminally investigated. Lots of people are walking away muttering about a pox on both of your houses.


You aren't leaving much space between the crazy's rooting for Trump, and the crazy's calling for his impeachment. Neither side can claim the high ground. That train left the station when the ladies wore vaginas to protest Trump's boorish behavior.


I think a lot of voters care about jobs, healthcare, and not getting their kids back in flag shrouded body bags. Everybody cheers when the FBI gets another black eye, and a lot of people like seeing the "establishment" being humiliated.


The "law and order" types have been voting the Republican ticket for a generation. Mueller's machinations aren't impressing that demographic, and the rest of us have been pissed at the law since they searched our lockers in high school.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 20, 2018, 01:26:02 AM
How does any of the above equate with criminal behavior?

Again my assumption of criminal behavior is based on the fact that the report that the IG issued criticized everybody involved in the FBI's Clinton Email investigation, except for Giuliani, but as noted Giuliani was involved an deserved criticism in the issued IG report.  Thus as the IG investigation on-going it is probable that they are investigating Giuliani for possible criminal matters that would not be appropriate to publish in the IG report.

As the IG cannot talk in public about on-going criminal investigations we will all have to wait to see what the IG reports when he closes his investigation.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 20, 2018, 03:36:45 AM
It looks like Team Trump will remain under investigation for some time to come, and we will all need to wait for the findings

Title: "Justice Department officials challenge Trump's claim that report about Clinton's email probe 'exonerates' him"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/justice-officials-challenge-trumps-claim-that-clintons-email-probe-report-exonerated-him.html

Extract: "The top watchdog at the Department of Justice and the director of the FBI on Monday refuted President Donald Trump's claim that a Justice Department report made public last week "totally exonerates me.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 20, 2018, 05:15:36 AM
Whoa: Strzok escorted outta FBI HQ:

" ... escorted from the building amid an internal review of his conduct ..."

bet there's a gofundme page for him in 3,2,1 ...

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/393101-fbi-agent-peter-strzok-escorted-from-building-amid-internal-review

"Strzok has said he is willing to testify before the House ... "

unlike his bosses: Comey, McCabe, Lynch:

"Comey refused to appear before Congress on Monday to talk about his handling of the Clinton email investigation, and his fired deputy, Andrew McCabe, asserted his Fifth Amendment rights "

"Lynch also declined to show up for a major hearing where the Senate Judiciary Committee "

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/18/comey-refuses-testify-congress-mccabe-pleads-fifth/

Grassley will not give up here. He is old and wise in evil, as much or more so than Difi who is blocking subpoenas.

sidd




Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 20, 2018, 05:39:14 AM
IG Horowitz looking at bias in FBI russia probe:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/19/fbi-watchdog-republicans-respond-653544

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 20, 2018, 05:48:10 AM
Gowdy,Nunes et al. will probably win this one:

--
 Speaker Paul Ryan led a meeting Friday with FBI and DOJ officials in which lawmakers “went item by item” through outstanding subpoenas from the House intelligence and judiciary committees.

“I don’t want the drama,” Gowdy said. “I want the documents.”

" ... documents related to the FBI's investigation of Hillary Clinton’s email server, the firing of FBI official Andrew McCabe and the surveillance starting in 2016 of a former campaign aide to President Donald Trump. "

--

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/17/gowdy-fbi-rosenstein-wray-mccabe-650395

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 20, 2018, 03:39:24 PM
Cohen is probably angling to get the best deal possible for the information that he has on Trump:

Title: "Cohen 'willing to give information' on Trump"

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/06/19/michael-cohen-willing-to-give-information-on-trump.cnn/video/playlists/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen/

Extract: "Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen has signaled to friends that he is "willing to give" investigators information on the President if that's what they are looking for, and is planning on hiring a new lawyer to handle a possible indictment from federal prosecutors."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on June 20, 2018, 03:53:22 PM
Cohen is probably angling to get the best deal possible for the information that he has on Trump:
 
Extract: "Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen . . .is planning on hiring a new lawyer to handle a possible indictment from federal prosecutors."

Hiring done.
Michael Cohen Is Said to Hire Former Prosecutor as New Lawyer
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/nyregion/cohen-trump-prosecutor-lawyer.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/nyregion/cohen-trump-prosecutor-lawyer.html)

"Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s longtime personal fixer, has lined up a new lawyer, according to people familiar with the matter. The lawyer, Guy Petrillo, once held a senior role in the same federal prosecutors’ office that has been investigating Mr. Cohen for months.

"It is a common practice for people facing scrutiny by prosecutors to hire lawyers who once worked in the offices investigating them. By bringing on Mr. Petrillo, Mr. Cohen will now have an advocate who is well positioned to help him navigate any negotiations with the prosecutors "

Media folks have speculated whether this choice might signal whether Cohen will fight or cooperate.  The choice here would seem to serve Cohen well whichever direction he chooses.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 20, 2018, 11:42:21 PM
Two more anti Trump FBI agents exposed: Moyer and Clinesmith

The latter was on the FBI Clinton and Russia probes and the Mueller panel. Mueller threw him out after Horowitz found text messages.

Clinesmith apparently promised some one that Trump would not get elected:

 “Like, what happened? You promised me this wouldn’t happen. YOU PROMISED…”

After Trump was elected, Clinesmith realizes how much trouble he was in:

"Plus my god damned name is all over the legal documents investigating his staff. So who knows if that breaks to him, what he is going to do."

When you strike at the King, you better make sure you kill him.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/06/kevin-clinesmith-e/

https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/house-goper-unmasks-identities-of-anti-trump-fbi-agents/

sidd




Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 21, 2018, 10:01:37 PM
The first attached image form a Seth Abramson tweet shows that on Nov 4 and 5, 2016, Donald Trump, Jr. retweeted (and later deleted the tweets) links to information of illegally leaked FBI information about the Clinton email probe.  These tweets link both Michael Flynn and Erik Prince to the illegal FBI leaks, which, the Trump campaign was trying to distribute before the election, but without connecting itself to the illegal sources.  In the second image of two consecutive tweets, Abramson explains how this information could connect for Giuliani and Nunes to the illegal FBI leaks that were used to pressure Comey to reopen the Clinton email investigation just 8 weeks before the 2016 election:
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 22, 2018, 04:02:24 AM
Mueller wants to know where any Russian money was used in the N.R.A.'s political campaign activities in 2016:

Title: "“Coincidence Number 395”: The N.R.A. Spent $30 Million to Elect Trump. Was It Russian Money?"

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/06/the-nra-spent-dollar30-million-to-elect-trump-was-it-russian-money

Extract: "Congressional Democrats, the F.B.I. and Robert Mueller want to know why Putin-tied oligarchs took such an interest in American gun ownership."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 22, 2018, 10:21:23 PM
It will be interesting to see what Trump tapes that Cohen provides to Arnold for his new Vice show, and whether any of them help with Trump's possible impeachment:

Title: "Tom Arnold says he's teaming up with Michael Cohen and 'taking Trump down'"

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/393598-tom-arnold-cohen-and-i-are-teaming-up-to-take-trump-down

Extract: "Arnold then told NBC News that he met with Cohen as part of a show he is working on for Vice, in which he searches for incriminating videos of the president.

"This dude has all the tapes — this dude has everything,” Arnold told NBC News. "I say to Michael, 'Guess what? We’re taking Trump down together,’ and he’s so tired he’s like, 'OK,' and his wife is like, 'OK, f--- Trump.’”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 22, 2018, 10:36:16 PM
We will have to wait and see whether Mueller can use any of this information to link the Trump Campaign to Russian interference in US affairs:

Title: "Inside the Ukraine peace plan in Mueller probe: More authors, earlier drafting than believed

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/article213655989.html

Extract: "A controversial peace plan for Ukraine and Russia that has drawn headlines and scrutiny from Special Counsel Robert Mueller was initially devised in early 2016 with significant input from an ex-congressman and a Ukrainian-American billionaire, according to a former Ukrainian legislator who promoted the proposal before Donald Trump’s election.

Ex-Ukrainian legislator Andrii Artemenko told McClatchy in several recent interviews that the peace proposal, which some analysts believe had a pro-Moscow tilt, was hatched in February 2016 during side discussions at a Ukraine-focused conference at Manor College in suburban Philadelphia. Former Republican Rep. Curt Weldon and New York real estate mogul Alexander Rovt were involved, said Artemenko, who also participated.

“It was called the Rovt-Weldon plan,” said Artemenko, noting that he had been friends with Weldon for almost a decade.

Neither the roles of Weldon and Rovt in the early framing of the plan, nor the fact that it was being devised nearly a year before it was given to a Trump associate for delivery to the administration, have been reported previously. The new names add to a roster of individuals with close ties to Trump who have been identified in connection with the proposal: Trump’s personal lawyer and “fixer,” Michael Cohen; a former sometimes-real estate partner, Felix Sater, who was also an old friend of Cohen; and the president’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, who has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with the Russian ambassador during the transition and is cooperating with the Mueller probe.


Some observers say the new names, timing and other details raise questions about whether and to what extent Moscow or its allies influenced the proposal.

Mueller and congressional investigators have been probing the Kremlin’s interference with the 2016 elections and whether there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and Moscow. Some of the witnesses before a Mueller grand jury have been asked about the plan.

The proposal would have lifted sanctions on Moscow if the Kremlin withdrew Russian forces from Eastern Ukraine; it also could have permitted Russia to keep control of Crimea, which it annexed in 2014."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on June 22, 2018, 11:33:35 PM
Read a little about Andrii Artemenko and his Right Sector storm troopers and you will find how silly this argument is.


(https://cdn5.img.sputniknews.com/images/102408/14/1024081451.jpg)


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 23, 2018, 06:51:09 AM
"Ex-Ukrainian legislator accusations rings as true as ex-Iraqi nationals providing evidence of Suddam's WMD"

Citizen, do you not recall we went to forever war based on such testimony ? Aided and abetted by both parties to this day ? How could they both be wrong ?

If you find the evidence lacking, that is your inability to see the truth. Off to the re-education camps with you.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on June 23, 2018, 05:22:12 PM
To me, this looks like a proof of corruption.

"New York’s Case Against Trump May Be Prophetic

Why the complaint involving the president’s foundation is a road map for Mueller."

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-16/new-york-s-trump-lawsuit-may-be-a-map-for-mueller
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 23, 2018, 10:47:04 PM
Strzok loses security clearance, is subpoenad to appear before house judiciary committee on wednesday. That ought to be one to watch.

Meanwhile FBI,DOJ are forced to turn over thousands of documents to congress.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/22/peter-strzok-fbi-agent-trump-667176

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/393587-sessions-says-strzok-lost-his-security-clearance

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/23/fbi-russia-probe-documents-nunes-gowdy-goodlatte-667181

sidd

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 24, 2018, 05:10:09 PM
It will be interesting to eventually lean what Mueller finds out about the Alfa Bank server that was secretly communicating with a Trump Organization server prior to the 2016 election

Title: "Alfa-Bank"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa-Bank

Extract: "Alfa Bank JSC, the corporate treasury of the Alfa Group, is one of the largest private commercial banks in Russia. It was founded by Russian businessman Mikhail Fridman, who is still the controlling owner today. It is headquartered in Moscow. It operates in seven countries, providing financial services to over 381,600 active corporate customers and 14.2 million retail clients. Alfa Bank is particularly active in Russia and Ukraine, ranking among top 10 largest banks in terms of capital in both countries.

•   2016 – On 31 October and 2 November, Franklin Foer reported in Slate that there had been unusual repeated activity from 4 May to 23 September 2016 between two computer servers registered to Alfa Bank in Moscow and a server owned by the Trump Organization. The activity also included, to a much lesser extent, communications to a server at Spectrum Health, a medical facility chain led by Dick DeVos, the husband of Betsy DeVos. From August through October 2016, the FBI investigated the computer server activity between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank.

•   2017 – In January, the Donald Trump–Russia dossier, prepared by former MI6 agent Christopher Steele and denoting various ties between Trump and Russia, was published in full in BuzzFeed News; the dossier mentions Alfa Bank's parent company Alfa Group (spelled "Alpha Group" in the dossier). On 10 March, CNN reported that the FBI was continuing to investigate the unusual computer activity between Alfa Bank and the Trump Organization which had occurred in the summer of 2016, and which had been reported in the media just before the U.S. presidential election.Also in March, Alfa Bank was the target of Ukrainian protests. In May, the owners of Alfa Bank filed a defamation lawsuit against BuzzFeed for publishing the unverified Donald Trump–Russia dossier, which alleges financial ties and collusion between Putin, Trump, and Alfa Bank's owners. In June, President Trump nominated Brian Benczkowski, the bank's former attorney, to be United States Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division. In October the owners of Alfa Bank filed a libel suit against Fusion GPS and Glenn Simpson, for circulating the Trump-Russia dossier among journalists and allowing it to be published. In December, Alfa Bank's wholly owned Dutch subsidiary Amsterdam Trade Bank (ATB) was raided in connection to an investigation into possible money-laundering.

•   2018 – In April, the owners of Alfa Bank filed a libel suit against Christopher Steele, creator of the Trump-Russia dossier."

See also:
Title: "Why Mueller Named a Russian Oligarch in Court" byline April 6 2018

https://www.thedailybeast.com/is-muellers-eye-on-some-russian-oligarchs
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 25, 2018, 04:49:14 PM
SEN. MARK WARNER (D-Va.) hosted a dinner Friday night for more than 100 guests at his house on Martha’s Vineyard as part of the DSCC’S annual Majority Trust retreat. OVERHEARD: Warner, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, joking to the crowd:

 “If you get me one more glass of wine, I’ll tell you stuff only Bob Mueller and I know. If you think you’ve seen wild stuff so far, buckle up. It’s going to be a wild couple of months.”

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2018/06/24/overheard-at-the-dscc-retreat-on-marthas-vineyard-281247

One possible reason that the New York U.S. Attorney’s Office has cancelled the their meeting with Daniels, is that Cohen has cut a plea deal (in exchange for handing over information on Trump), and the feds don't want the Daniels case to interfere with the Mueller investigation.  Maybe, that is some of the 'wild stuff' that Mark Warner is hinting at:

Title: "U.S. prosecutors cancel meeting with Stormy Daniels: lawyer"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cohen-avenatti/us-prosecutors-cancel-meeting-with-stormy-daniels-lawyer-idUSKBN1JL17D

Extract: "A meeting between adult film actress Stormy Daniels and federal prosecutors in New York investigating President Donald Trump’s longtime personal attorney Michael Cohen scheduled for Monday has been canceled, a lawyer representing Daniels said late on Sunday."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 26, 2018, 03:56:35 AM
When Trump was planning on granting Assange immunity in 2017, Comey intervened to stop the deal.  Then shortly thereafter Trump fired Comey.  What does Trump have to fear from Assange's potential testimony if Mueller ever gets his hands on Assange?

Title: "How Comey intervened to kill WikiLeaks' immunity deal"

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/394036-How-Comey-intervened-to-kill-Wikileaks-immunity-deal
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on June 28, 2018, 10:58:49 PM
These GOP Representatives on House Judiciary Committee would have fit in well on Joe McCarthy's committee in the 1950s:

Title: "Rod Rosenstein Keeps His Cool As Republicans Lash Out In House Judiciary Hearing"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rod-rosenstein-house-judiciary-committee_us_5b3503c3e4b0cb5605206a8a

Extract: "Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein deflected heated attacks from Republican lawmakers during a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Thursday.

Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray appeared before the congressional committee to answer questions about their departments’ handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation.

But Republicans spent their time obsessively grilling Rosenstein about special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and President Donald Trump’s potential attempts to obstruct justice."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on June 29, 2018, 11:16:43 PM
Flynn sentencing delayed for the third time:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/394875-mueller-again-asks-for-delay-in-flynn-sentencing

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on June 30, 2018, 05:59:05 AM
sidd


What ever happened to those Russian Corporations that unexpectedly decided to defend themselves from Mueller's charges?
IIRC Mueller didn't want to go ahead with those prosecutions, and now he's balking at sentencing Flynn on a charge that Flynn's already plead guilty to.


You'd think that after $17M and over a year getting his ducks in a row he'd be prepared for court.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: NevB on June 30, 2018, 02:21:42 PM
sidd


What ever happened to those Russian Corporations that unexpectedly decided to defend themselves from Mueller's charges?
IIRC Mueller didn't want to go ahead with those prosecutions, and now he's balking at sentencing Flynn on a charge that Flynn's already plead guilty to.


You'd think that after $17M and over a year getting his ducks in a row he'd be prepared for court.
Terry

Could just be that until Flynn is sentenced Muller has leverage.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on June 30, 2018, 09:16:56 PM
Could just be that until Flynn is sentenced Muller has leverage.
Exactly.

Funny how that Benghazi Committee wanker (Trey Gowdy) complains about Mueller not being quick enough...
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/29/politics/benghazi-committee-special-counsel-robert-mueller/index.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on July 01, 2018, 06:10:12 AM
I think Concord (russian company)  lawyers challenged Mueller appointment. They will get slapped down on that, but the discovery preocess will be interesting ...

sidd

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on July 01, 2018, 02:36:07 PM
Thanks
It seemed as though the Concord trial(s) were going to be a front page item for some time - then  Mueller tried to halt the trial because of (National Security)? concerns - finally everything dropped from the news cycle, or at least that's the way it appeared to me.


Has the whole Trump/Russia Collusion thing been nothing but an attempt to divert attention from the Clintons own extensive connections to Russian oligarchs?
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 02, 2018, 03:38:47 AM
Imagine what will happen if Mueller decides to indict key Team Trump individuals, possibly including Trump himself, after Kennedy steps down, but before a new ninth SCOTUS member is seated.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on July 02, 2018, 02:35:14 PM
Has the whole Trump/Russia Collusion thing been nothing but an attempt to divert attention from the Clintons own extensive connections to Russian oligarchs?
Now that is a beautiful quintessence of rightwingnut conspirational ideation and decades of smear propaganda.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 02, 2018, 03:01:21 PM
Martin:

I really HAVE been missing out on Terry's posts.  Maybe I should take a Terry off of ignore just so I can get some comic relief.   ;)

So the whole Mueller investigation is to hide the REAL collusion going on with Hillary and the oligarchs?  I'm just wondering if she had enough time to spend with the Oligarchs while running a child sex ring operation out of the Comet pizza parlor during the campaign. 😂
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on July 02, 2018, 03:26:57 PM
It seems I missed this one from last March:

Quoth Daily Beast:

‘Lone DNC Hacker’ Guccifer 2.0 Slipped Up and Revealed He Was a Russian Intelligence Officer
(...) But on one occasion, The Daily Beast has learned, Guccifer failed to activate the VPN client before logging on. As a result, he left a real, Moscow-based Internet Protocol address in the server logs of an American social media company, according to a source familiar with the government’s Guccifer investigation. (...)
Working off the IP address, U.S. investigators identified Guccifer 2.0 as a particular GRU officer working out of the agency’s headquarters on Grizodubovoy Street in Moscow. (The Daily Beast’s sources did not disclose which particular officer worked as Guccifer.)

Security firms and declassified U.S. intelligence findings previously identified the GRU as the agency running “Fancy Bear,” the ten-year-old hacking organization behind the DNC email theft, as well as breaches at NATO, Obama’s White House, a French television station, the World Anti-Doping Agency, (...)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-lone-dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-slipped-up-and-revealed-he-was-a-russian-intelligence-officer



Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 02, 2018, 03:34:22 PM
Cohen lets Trump know that as soon as the DOJ brings criminal charges against him, he is more than likely to flip.  The handwriting is on the wall Mr. President:

Title: "Michael Cohen to Trump: I will flip on you"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/07/02/michael-cohen-to-trump-i-will-flip-on-you/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9ccce23e5d75

Extract: "In an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos posted Monday morning, Trump's former lawyer and fixer sent his clearest signal to date that he is prepared to flip on Trump. But while there have certainly been others recently, this one came from the horse's mouth.

“Once I understand what charges might be filed against me, if any at all, I will defer to my new counsel, Guy Petrillo, for guidance,” Cohen said.

Pressed on his past commentary about being willing to do anything for Trump, Cohen again hinted at flipping: “To be crystal clear, my wife, my daughter and my son, and this country have my first loyalty.”

And Cohen's interview came with another big signal: the reported end of a joint agreement between Cohen and Trump's legal team to share information. Such things often preclude a more antagonistic relationship. Michael Flynn's lawyers stopped sharing info with Trump's lawyers shortly before he flipped, for example."

See also:

Title: "EXCLUSIVE: Michael Cohen says family and country, not President Trump, is his 'first loyalty'"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-cohen-family-country-president-trump-loyalty/story?id=56304585
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 02, 2018, 03:55:46 PM
In any country that respects the rule of law Trump's SCOTUS pick should recuse him/herself from involvement in any Mueller, or Cohen, related court decisions:

Title: "Blumenthal says Trump's Supreme Court pick "ought to recuse" themselves from Russia decisions"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-richard-blumenthal-on-face-the-nation-says-trumps-supreme-court-pick-ought-to-recuse-themselves-from-russia-decisions/
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 02, 2018, 04:11:30 PM
The US has NEVER had a president choose a Supreme Court Justice WHILE the president is under investigation.

Richard Nixon appointed 4 justices HIS FIRST TERM in office.  None of them were appointed while Nixon was under investigation.

This is something I have NOT heard the press mention..... and it is a BIG DEAL.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on July 02, 2018, 04:13:07 PM
In any country that respects the rule of law Trump's SCOTUS pick should recuse him/herself from involvement in any Mueller, or Cohen, related court decisions:

Title: "Blumenthal says Trump's Supreme Court pick "ought to recuse" themselves from Russia decisions"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-richard-blumenthal-on-face-the-nation-says-trumps-supreme-court-pick-ought-to-recuse-themselves-from-russia-decisions/
This is just noise. Classical Democrats: Busily discussing while waiting to get their leg pulled by the Republicans.

The ONLY question is how to prevent any Supreme Court nomination by Republicans.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on July 02, 2018, 04:40:28 PM
The US has NEVER had a president choose a Supreme Court Justice WHILE the president is under investigation.

Richard Nixon appointed 4 justices HIS FIRST TERM in office.  None of them were appointed while Nixon was under investigation.

This is something I have NOT heard the press mention..... and it is a BIG DEAL.

From having a US government we're getting a Trump regime.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-does-the-american-government-become-the-trump-regime
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on July 02, 2018, 05:47:30 PM
It seems I missed this one from last March:

Quoth Daily Beast:

‘Lone DNC Hacker’ Guccifer 2.0 Slipped Up and Revealed He Was a Russian Intelligence Officer
...
Working off the IP address, U.S. investigators identified Guccifer 2.0 as a particular GRU officer working out of the agency’s headquarters on Grizodubovoy Street in Moscow. ...

Alternative interpretation: The IP belongs to a Russian guy (maybe his residential connection), and he happens to work at the GRU office, as evidenced from other sources. It's unlikely that he would use unsecure connections at work, we must assume that the GRU devices/procedures are highly secure. But it's  possible that he used other devices, e.g. at his home, and that these might have malware on them. If the latter, all the devices would appear as coming from that same (residential) IP address.

Other possibilities: IT security experts say that false attributions happens all the time. Cascading VPNs and hacked personal computers are often used as VPNs/proxies.
Evidence is really easy to fake.

I for one don't trust the US intelligence agencies, after having read the so called ICA report on the alleged Russian hacking. That report is just propaganda. Interestingly, one of the few proofs of Russian involvement in that report, is that they claim that Guccifer 2 is Russian. A claim that is disputed by many, e.g. Adam Carter. As the evidence is really thin here, and easy to fake, I wouldn't jump ships on what the Daily Beast tells us.
Carter discusses the matter in the second half of the following post, and maintains his previous conclusions at  http://g-2.space/ :
"... it's clear from the evidence that Guccifer 2.0 fabricated evidence to support the CrowdStrike narrative that was first publicized on June 14, 2016 in the Washington Post and that this makes it appear as though Guccifer 2.0 was working in cahoots with CrowdStrike (if not controlled by individuals there) and that a litany of other factors gives considerable cause for doubt on the attribution of Guccifer 2.0 to the GRU as it appears it was trying to create a narrative to tie WikiLeaks to Russia..."

https://steemit.com/wikileaks/@adamcarter/strikes-on-syria-white-helmets-skripal-poisoning-assange-isolation-transatlantic-trolls-and-the-mainstream-media-in-meltdown#commentsa


Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 02, 2018, 06:05:42 PM
Unlike most Republicans, it sounds like Michael Cohen has his loyalties in the right order:

1). Family and country
2). Trump

Uh oh .......😬
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 02, 2018, 07:08:28 PM
It seems I missed this one from last March:

Quoth Daily Beast:

‘Lone DNC Hacker’ Guccifer 2.0 Slipped Up and Revealed He Was a Russian Intelligence Officer
...
Working off the IP address, U.S. investigators identified Guccifer 2.0 as a particular GRU officer working out of the agency’s headquarters on Grizodubovoy Street in Moscow. ...

Alternative interpretation: The IP belongs to a Russian guy (maybe his residential connection), and he happens to work at the GRU office, as evidenced from other sources. It's unlikely that he would use unsecure connections at work, we must assume that the GRU devices/procedures are highly secure. But it's  possible that he used other devices, e.g. at his home, and that these might have malware on them. If the latter, all the devices would appear as coming from that same (residential) IP address.

Other possibilities: IT security experts say that false attributions happens all the time. Cascading VPNs and hacked personal computers are often used as VPNs/proxies.
Evidence is really easy to fake.

I for one don't trust the US intelligence agencies, after having read the so called ICA report on the alleged Russian hacking. That report is just propaganda. Interestingly, one of the few proofs of Russian involvement in that report, is that they claim that Guccifer 2 is Russian. A claim that is disputed by many, e.g. Adam Carter. As the evidence is really thin here, and easy to fake, I wouldn't jump ships on what the Daily Beast tells us.
Carter discusses the matter in the second half of the following post, and maintains his previous conclusions at  http://g-2.space/ :
"... it's clear from the evidence that Guccifer 2.0 fabricated evidence to support the CrowdStrike narrative that was first publicized on June 14, 2016 in the Washington Post and that this makes it appear as though Guccifer 2.0 was working in cahoots with CrowdStrike (if not controlled by individuals there) and that a litany of other factors gives considerable cause for doubt on the attribution of Guccifer 2.0 to the GRU as it appears it was trying to create a narrative to tie WikiLeaks to Russia..."

https://steemit.com/wikileaks/@adamcarter/strikes-on-syria-white-helmets-skripal-poisoning-assange-isolation-transatlantic-trolls-and-the-mainstream-media-in-meltdown#commentsa

This is my favorite smoking gun link to why Trump got elected. The original story was at the Wall St. Journal but the link below adds a bit more detail. Since it disappeared down the memory hole I guess it's fake news now but it sure sounds plausible to me. Famous quote from Stalin went something like; "It's not important who gets the most votes, it's who counts the votes that maters."
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=93906
"The hack appeared to include a breach of the EAC’s administrative-access credentials as well as access to nonpublic reports on flaws in voting machines, according to Andrei Barysevich, an analyst with cybersecurity firm Recorded Future.
    Access to the reports could have allowed someone to exploit flaws in voting machines, Mr. Barysevich said. The stolen credentials could have been used to install malicious code on the EAC site, thus potentially infecting any user of it. The users could include state election officials, who might then use a thumb memory stick to interact with other machines, such as ballot machines not connected to the internet.
    The security firm, which assessed the hack as having likely occurred in November, turned the information over to law enforcement in December, and Mr. Barysevich has been cooperating with the FBI on its probe."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 03, 2018, 06:11:35 PM
Is it possible that Justice Kennedy knew that his son Justin Kennedy did a financial favor for Jared Kushner, and that in exchange Jared is helping the neighbors of Qatar to sanction that country?  I imagine that Mueller is probably looking into the Russia connections in this matter.

Title: "Here's the Corrupt Financial Web That Links the Trump and Kennedy Families"

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/heres-corrupt-financial-web-links-trump-and-kennedy-families

Extract: "Because Trump cares so much about money, that’s been suggested. And there’s smoke: the links between Trump, Kennedy and Kennedy’s son Justin. In years past we’d call that the League of White Men, taking care of their own, behind the scenes, The Way It Is. Today we tend to call it something else: collusion.

But as Stephanie Ruhle of MSNBC has reported, Justin Kennedy left Deutsche Bank long before the money laundering and had no direct connection to the bank's loans to Trump. The more interesting fact is where Justin Kennedy went next -- he became the co-CEO of LNR Property. And that brings us straight to the most immediately vulnerable member of the Trump family, Jared Kushner.

The plot thickens. As Bernstein and Rusk note:

-- There was a direct business relationship between LNR and Kushner Companies at the time Justin Kennedy and Jared Kushner were both CEOs. Even the future President was aware of the deal and commented on its respective merits.

-- In 2011, the year in which some of these negotiations took place, Justin Kennedy for the first time was ranked on the New York Observer’s 100 Most Powerful People in New York Real Estate at #36. Donald Trump clocked in at #12. At that time, The New York Observer was owned by Jared Kushner.

The 666 Fifth Avenue deal is generally regarded as the all-time stinker in New York commercial real estate. What did LNR see as the upside? Better question: Was there any upside? As we know, 666 Fifth Avenue went badly for the Kushners, so badly that they were scrambling for a partner. Where might one be?

The Intercept reported earlier this year that Charles Kushner, Jared's father, had discussed a financing deal for 666 Fifth Avenue with Qatari finance minister Ali Sharif Al Emadi in April 2017. A month after that deal cratered, a group of Middle Eastern countries, with Jared Kushner’s backing, led a diplomatic assault that culminated in a blockade of Qatar. NBC News reported that Qatari government officials visiting the U.S. “considered turning over to Mueller what they believe is evidence of efforts by their country’s Persian Gulf neighbors in coordination with Kushner to hurt their country.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 04, 2018, 02:14:18 AM
The Senate Intelligence Committee's interim report summary indicates that Russia worked to help Trump win the 2016 election.  Now we will need to wait to see what evidence is eventually made public as to whether Team Trump conspired with the Russians.

Title: "Senate panel upholds finding that Russia backed Trump, contradicting House"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-panel-upholds-finding-that-russia-backed-trump-contradicting-house/ar-AAzxDpO?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "The Senate Intelligence Committee has unequivocally upheld the conclusion of the intelligence community that Russia developed a "clear preference" for then-candidate Donald Trump in the 2016 election and sought to help him win the White House.

The assessment, announced in an unclassified summary released Tuesday, represents a direct repudiation of the committee's counterpart in the House - and of President Trump himself, who has consistently rejected assertions that Moscow sought to bolster his candidacy.

The Senate committee is still in the process of preparing the classified report detailing its conclusions about the ICA, which when completed will go through a classification review with an eye towards making a version public.

The Senate panel's overall investigation into Russian election meddling is also still ongoing, with interim reports like this one released on a rolling basis."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on July 05, 2018, 06:16:55 PM
The Senate Intelligence Committee's interim report summary indicates that Russia worked to help Trump win the 2016 election.  Now we will need to wait to see what evidence is eventually made public as to whether Team Trump conspired with the Russians.

Here is a highly critical analysis of the ICA report, by a former US ambassador in Moscow, Jack Matlock.

"...the report is full of assertion, innuendo, and description of “capabilities” but largely devoid of any evidence to substantiate its assertions. This is “explained” by claiming that much of the evidence is classified and cannot be disclosed without revealing sources and methods. The assertions are made with “high confidence” or occasionally, “moderate confidence.” Having read many intelligence reports I can tell you that if there is irrefutable evidence of something it will be stated as a fact. ...
Prominent American journalists and politicians seized upon this shabby, politically motivated, report as proof of “Russian interference” in the U.S. election without even the pretense of due diligence. They have objectively acted as co-conspirators in an effort to block any improvement in relations with Russia, even though cooperation with Russia to deal with common dangers is vital to both countries."
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/03/former-us-envoy-to-moscow-calls-intelligence-report-on-alleged-russian-interference-politically-motivated/

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on July 05, 2018, 07:14:15 PM
It seems I missed this one from last March:

Quoth Daily Beast:

‘Lone DNC Hacker’ Guccifer 2.0 Slipped Up and Revealed He Was a Russian Intelligence Officer

Adam Carter and Forensicator claim that this is wrong. They provide evidence that Guccifer was working from the US:

Adam Carter:
"Guccifer 2.0’s American Fingerprints Reveal An Operation Made In The USA"

https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/05/guccifer-2-0s-american-fingerprints-reveal-an-operation-made-in-the-usa/

Forensicator: "We analyze the timestamp on an internal “track changes” entry created by Guccifer 2 when he modified a document that was published in his second batch of documents that were uploaded to his WordPress site.  We correlate this timestamp to the document’s “modified” (“last saved”) time recorded in the document’s metadata.  Based on this analysis, we reach the surprising conclusion that this document was created on a system which had Pacific Daylight Saving Time (PDT) settings in force, when the change was made.
The PDT finding draws into question the premise that Guccifer 2 was operating out of Russia, or any other region that would have had GMT+3 time zone offsets in force. "
https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/guccifer-2s-west-coast-fingerprint/

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on July 05, 2018, 07:46:44 PM

 Based on this analysis, we reach the surprising conclusion that this document was created on a system which had Pacific Daylight Saving Time (PDT) settings in force, when the change was made.
The PDT finding draws into question the premise that Guccifer 2 was operating out of Russia, or any other region that would have had GMT+3 time zone offsets in force. "
https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/guccifer-2s-west-coast-fingerprint/

This is an absurd conclusion.  It's trivial to adjust the time zone setting of any computer.  Do we assume the GRU is stupid enough to work on computers set to Moscow time?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on July 05, 2018, 08:10:19 PM

 Based on this analysis, we reach the surprising conclusion that this document was created on a system which had Pacific Daylight Saving Time (PDT) settings in force, when the change was made.
The PDT finding draws into question the premise that Guccifer 2 was operating out of Russia, or any other region that would have had GMT+3 time zone offsets in force. "
https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/guccifer-2s-west-coast-fingerprint/

This is an absurd conclusion.  It's trivial to adjust the time zone setting of any computer.  Do we assume the GRU is stupid enough to work on computers set to Moscow time?
True. But the issue is much more complicated than that!  There are deep manipulations done by Guccifer2 to the files' metadata and timestamps, he wanted to time stamp them to Moscow time zone to indicate he was working from Russia (or Romania). However, it seems he slipped when working on one batch of files, resulting in conflicting data, that reveals that his computer was in the US Pacific. I suggest you read the articles I linked, they are well researched.

Adam Carters verdict: "The logical conclusion drawn from the preceding analysis is that Guccifer 2.0 was operating somewhere on the West Coast of the United States when they made their change to that document. This single finding throws into shambles any other conclusions that might indicate that Guccifer 2.0 was operating out of Russia. This latest finding also adds to the previously cited evidence that the persona was probably operated by multiple individuals located in the United States.
Taken all together, the factual basis of the Russian hacking story totally collapses. We are left instead with multiple  traces of a US-based operation that created the appearance of evidence that Kremlin-allied hackers had breached the DNC network. Publicly available data suggests that Guccifer 2.0 is a US-based operation. "

Notably, Guccifer2 is the only real 'evidence' provided in the ICA report.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on July 06, 2018, 02:29:27 AM
forensicator? disobedientmedia? Hahaaaaaahahahaha....
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on July 06, 2018, 07:34:15 AM
forensicator? disobedientmedia? Hahaaaaaahahahaha....

Great contribution from intelligent person. Thx.
[both the pseudonyms 'forensicator' and 'adam carter' are highly regarded IT security experts]
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on July 06, 2018, 01:51:54 PM
forensicator? disobedientmedia? Hahaaaaaahahahaha....

Great contribution from intelligent person. Thx.
[both the pseudonyms 'forensicator' and 'adam carter' are highly regarded IT security experts]
[In the rightwing bullshit echo chamber. E.g. here https://climateaudit.org/2017/09/19/guccifer-2-emails/ (infamous climate denier) ]

Here's a sample of forensicator analytic prowess:
https://www.roughlyexplained.com/2017/08/does-a-new-study-prove-the-dnc-hack-was-an-inside-job/

While this one says "the “analysis” happened to be bullshit, not incompetency"
https://medium.com/@janedoe111/i-was-talking-about-error-messages-in-russian-exhibit-b-broken-links-not-metadata-39b2d061b9b3

Next time you quote the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on July 07, 2018, 07:27:06 AM
Sy Hersh has derived three simple lessons from his rule about reporting:

1. The powerful prey mercilessly upon the powerless, up to and including mass murder.
2. The powerful lie constantly about their predations.
3. The natural instinct of the media is to let the powerful get away with it.

I have a 4th Lesson

4. The majority of people in powerful nations are more than happy with this arrangement.

Did Sy Hersh already identify the location of that building in Khan Cheikhoun (Syria) that he claims was bombed ? And which he claims proves that the chemical attack on April 4, 2017 did NOT contain sarin, despite OPCW and other international investigators' claims ?

Or is he still waving his hands without evidence ?

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2017/06/25/will-get-fooled-seymour-hersh-welt-khan-sheikhoun-chemical-attack/
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 08, 2018, 03:04:28 AM
Mueller is beginning to tighten his net:

Title: "Mueller alleges that bank executive helped Manafort obtain loans while trying to get Trump campaign role"

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/395906-mueller-alleges-that-bank-executive-helped-manafort-obtain-loans

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 09, 2018, 05:59:20 PM
McCain was also one of the ringleaders of the Keating 5.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

"Lincoln Savings and Loan collapsed in 1989, at a cost of $3.4 billion to taxpayers.[1] Some 23,000 Lincoln bondholders were defrauded and many investors lost their life savings. The substantial political contributions Keating had made to each of the senators, totaling $1.3 million, attracted considerable public and media attention. After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Cranston, DeConcini, and Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB's investigation of Lincoln Savings, with Cranston receiving a formal reprimand. Senators Glenn and McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

All five senators served out their terms. Only Glenn and McCain ran for re-election, and they both retained their seats. McCain would go on to run for President of the United States twice, and was the Republican Party nominee in 2008. As of 2018, he is still a senator."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 11, 2018, 05:17:14 PM
The Senate Judiciary Committee Democrats are entitled to call both Justice Kennedy and his son to testify at Kavanaugh's confirmation hears in order to clarify any potential secret ties, or agreements, between Team Trump and these two Kennedys.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 12, 2018, 05:04:14 PM
Brian Benczkowski's confirmation might possibly put the Mueller investigation at risk.   Like Sessions, I think that Benczkowski should also recuse himself from the Mueller investigation. It is time for Rosenstein to show his metal.

Title: "Despite Russia ties, experience, Senate confirms Trump's controversial DOJ nominee"

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/despite-russia-ties-experience-senate-confirms-trump-s-controversial-doj-nominee-1274997827547
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 13, 2018, 06:17:36 PM
Mueller turns-up the heat:

Title: "Mueller indicts 12 Russians for hacking into DNC"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/13/mueller-indicts-12-russians-for-hacking-into-dnc-718805

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller indicted 12 Russians on Friday, and accused them of hacking into the Democratic National Committee to sabotage the 2016 presidential election.
The indictments, announced by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, come just days before a scheduled Monday summit in Helsinki between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
...
They are the latest charges in a probe that has already netted guilty pleas from three former Donald Trump campaign aides while the president himself remains under investigation by Mueller for potential obstruction of justice."

See also:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/13/politics/russia-investigation-indictments/index.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 13, 2018, 06:37:22 PM
RE: Rosenstein comments during the announcement mentioned that the Russians actually hacked parts of the voting system. Specifically he mentioned hacks of equipment used to validate voters and directly compromised some election officials.

I think this was one of the most interesting hacks:
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=93906
"The hack appeared to include a breach of the EAC’s administrative-access credentials as well as access to nonpublic reports on flaws in voting machines, according to Andrei Barysevich, an analyst with cybersecurity firm Recorded Future.

Access to the reports could have allowed someone to exploit flaws in voting machines, Mr. Barysevich said. The stolen credentials could have been used to install malicious code on the EAC site, thus potentially infecting any user of it. The users could include state election officials, who might then use a thumb memory stick to interact with other machines, such as ballot machines not connected to the internet."

Yes you can change vote totals if you have EAC credentials.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on July 13, 2018, 07:44:36 PM
Yes you can change vote totals if you have EAC credentials.
In Canadian federal elections the paper ballots are counted by humans. Quick, reliable counts that are difficult to hack. No hanging chads, pregnant chads or difficult digital dilemmas.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on July 13, 2018, 07:50:53 PM
pdf of latest Mueller indictment

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4598902/DOJ-Russian-Indictments.pdf

Interesting reading. Tradecraft not very impressive, reuse of servers, bitcoin wallets, mining ops, slips on anonymized routing ...

Pity it wont go to trial, audit log evidence would be nice.

"Organization 1" is wikileaks. I was half expecting Mueller to indict wikileaks as well, but i guess he didnt want to go that route after the Baer case.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on July 13, 2018, 07:57:19 PM
I was half expecting Mueller to indict wikileaks as well,
That might still be coming, being part of the collusion complex. Mueller might first want to nail down Roger Stone et al.  First for the easier, purely Russian stuff.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Susan Anderson on July 13, 2018, 08:43:18 PM
I was half expecting Mueller to indict wikileaks as well,
That might still be coming, being part of the collusion complex. Mueller might first want to nail down Roger Stone et al.  First for the easier, purely Russian stuff.

Assange is clearly implicated in all this. Anyone who thinks he has not put his thumb on the scale due to personal resentments is ignoring reality.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 13, 2018, 08:49:09 PM
I was half expecting Mueller to indict wikileaks as well,
That might still be coming, being part of the collusion complex. Mueller might first want to nail down Roger Stone et al.  First for the easier, purely Russian stuff.

The Mueller investigation will likely last for several more years:

Title: "Don't Expect the Mueller Investigation to End Anytime Soon"

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/j5aq48/dont-expect-the-mueller-investigation-to-end-anytime-soon

Extract: "A look at the history of special counsels show that the work generally takes years to complete."

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 13, 2018, 09:54:26 PM
When thinking about the Mueller investigation you have to think more broadly about who was involved:

1). Mercer’s
2). FOX/Sean Hannity
3). National Rifle Association
4). Republican National Committee
5). Senators/Congressmen
6). Banks (Deutche Bank, Cyprus banks ... right Wilbur😉)
7). Cabinet members

You can start to see just HOW BROAD and HOW DEEP RussiaGate goes.  It will take a LONG TIME to wrap up the whole thing.  But there will be indictments throughout the process.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on July 13, 2018, 10:32:23 PM
Methinks Mueller is a different ballpark. He works extremely fast. Next big thing: Manafort. I bet by the end of the year he gets enough stuff out to the public to toast Trump.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on July 13, 2018, 11:19:08 PM
He's going to get Trump re-elected. Mission accomplished.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 13, 2018, 11:34:51 PM
Will Putin turn the 'GRU-Twelve' over to Trump to face prosecution?

Title: "Trump faces more pressure to confront Putin at Helsinki summit after Mueller indicts 12 more Russians"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/13/trump-faces-pressure-to-confront-putin-after-mueller-indicts-12-russia.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on July 14, 2018, 02:57:45 AM
He's going to get Trump re-elected. Mission accomplished.
Not yet a fait accompli, but certainly well on it's way.
Note that even our own Buddy omitted the Russians when archiving Mueller's hit list.


Tail Gunner Joe would be proud to see his life work resurrected in such a grand manner, but at some point someone will be asking Mueller's Minions, "Have you no shame?" - and the revival tent will collapse in flames as a cold breath of fresh air roils through the miasma enveloping Washington.


Everyone that Buddy names has either millions of followers or billions of dollars. The backlash is building and I hope that an electoral victory will be enough to appease those that have been falsely accused.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 14, 2018, 04:16:26 AM
The 'Conservatives' are slowly moving towards their own 'Night of the Long Knives':

Title: "Conservatives moving to impeach Rosenstein soon: report"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/conservatives-moving-to-impeach-rosenstein-soon-report/ar-AAA2Cjn?ocid=spartandhp

See also:

Title: "House conservatives prep push to impeach Rosenstein "

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/13/house-republicans-rod-rosenstein-impeachment-719816

Extract: "House conservatives are preparing a new push to oust Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, according to three conservative Capitol Hill sources — putting the finishing touches on an impeachment filing even as Rosenstein announced the indictment of 12 Russian intelligence officers for interfering in the 2016 election.

House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows, in fact, had the impeachment document on the floor of the House at the very moment that Rosenstein spoke to reporters and TV cameras Friday.

Conservative GOP lawmakers have been plotting to remove Rosenstein for weeks, accusing him of slow-walking their probe of FBI agents they’ve accused of bias against President Donald Trump.

Democrats contend Republicans’ fixation on Rosenstein is really an effort to undermine special counsel Robert Mueller, who reports to Rosenstein and has been making inroads in his investigation of the Russian election interference plot. Mueller’s probe has entangled members of Trump’s inner circle and Trump has increasingly assailed it as a politically motivated “witch hunt” as it’s presented greater danger to him and his allies.

Conservative sources say they could file the impeachment document as soon as Monday, as Meadows and Freedom Caucus founder Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) look to build Republican support in the House. One source cautioned, however, that the timing was still fluid.

It is unclear how much support conservatives will have in their effort. Rosenstein has become a punching bag for Trump and his allies as they vent frustration over the Russia investigation. Since Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself, Rosenstein has overseen the Mueller probe, which is also examining potential obstruction of justice charges against the president.

But House GOP leaders like Speaker Paul Ryan have clearly been uncomfortable with the notion of going after Rosenstein. It’s unlikely that will change anytime soon, especially so soon after the latest indictments. Ryan’s office was not immediately available for comment.

Rosenstein has clashed with House Republicans for months, with Rosenstein insisting that he’s working to comply with the GOP’s intensive demands for documents — some directly relevant to Mueller’s ongoing probe.

But Ryan and other top GOP lawmakers have accused him of stonewalling and flouting Congress’ oversight authority. Trump, too, has frequently sided with lawmakers to pressure Rosenstein to turn over more documents, an effort Democrats say is really meant to arm Trump with more insight into the Russia probe."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 14, 2018, 11:08:04 AM
It looks like the irrational actions of Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Gaetz and others now has an explanation:  They may have been receiving help during the 2016 election from the Russians as well.  In addition, there were likely Republicans that DIDN’T receive help, but KNEW about the help that others were receiving from foreign sources ..... and they didn’t say anything at the time, PLUS they have helped to cover it up since.

This now expands the possible number of people involved SUBSTANTIALLLY.  Trouble .... BIG TROUBLE for some Republicans.

No wonder the trolls have been so busy lately .....

The Republicans could also be in a pickle for any candidate that finds himself caught up in this mess who’s running for re-election.  If they have already held their primary, then the Republicans are screwed for that race.

If I am an “intrepid reporter” in any race, one of the questions I now ask of anyone running for the House or Senate is ..... “were you aware at the time, or anytime since, of anyone having access to stolen information during the 2016 election?”

“Furthermore Congressman, were you aware at anytime that the information was stolen by the Russians?”

There are going to be some VERY NERVOUS Republicans in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on July 14, 2018, 03:32:48 PM

   
Quote
Let’s put these questions aside for the moment and look at the report itself. On the first page of text, the following statement leapt to my attention:

    We did not make an assessment of the impact that Russian activities had on the outcome of the 2016 election. The US Intelligence Community is charged with monitoring and assessing the intentions, capabilities, and actions of foreign actors; it does not analyze US political processes or US public opinion.

Now, how can one judge whether activity “interfered” with an election without assessing its impact? After all, if the activity had no impact on the outcome of the election, it could not be properly termed interference. 

That's a ridiculous assertion.  It's logically equivalent to saying that attempted murder isn't a crime if nobody dies.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 14, 2018, 04:42:39 PM
History will NOT be kind to Traitor Trump, Traitor McConell, and Traitor Ryan.  McConell and Ryan had their chance to do the right thing ..... and instead they participated in a coverup, KNOWING what had happened.

McConell is now in SERIOUS legal jeopardy.... as he should be.

Buckle up .....
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 14, 2018, 09:43:43 PM
OBAMA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sooner or later ..... you KNEW that Traitor Donnie was going to blame Obama for the Russian interference into our election.  It was only a matter of time..... and that time has come.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/indictment-ties-russian-government-election-hacking-041628861--politics.html

In Donnie's game of "MOVE THE GOALPOSTS" .......

1)  First .... "we don't know who did it.  It could have been a 400 pound guy in his parents basement or it could have been China."

2)  Then ..... "the whole thing is a witch hunt".  But that eventually came to an end as the tally of witches who have been caught continues to rise.

3) But now ..... IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT.

The absurdity of this one really smells to the high heavens.

I watched Nadal and Jokovitch go at in the semifinals of Wimbledon this morning, and during the last couple of games I was thinking:  "This is how Donnie's involvement in RussiaGate is going to end."

Great tennis match (I was rooting for Nadal).  And what was such a great match seemed to end SO QUICKLY.  Nadal, after not being able to close out the deal on match point, lost a couple of games later.

That is how Donnie is going to be taken down.  It will all seem to come at once.  And then.... like Tricky Dick .... POOF .... he's gone.  Now we don't know when that will be .... and even that is NOT a given.  But that is how I think it is going to go.  It will be an overwhelming confluence of information that can't be refuted.  And then Donnie will be gone.



Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 15, 2018, 02:49:53 AM
pdf of latest Mueller indictment

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4598902/DOJ-Russian-Indictments.pdf

Interesting reading. Tradecraft not very impressive, reuse of servers, bitcoin wallets, mining ops, slips on anonymized routing ...

Pity it wont go to trial, audit log evidence would be nice.

"Organization 1" is wikileaks. I was half expecting Mueller to indict wikileaks as well, but i guess he didnt want to go that route after the Baer case.

sidd

The indictment also claims:

1. “On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, received a request for stolen documents form a candidate for the U.S. Congress,”

2. “On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators … wrote to a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump.”

3. That the “Conspirators” reached out to a U.S. reporter “with an offer to provide stolen emails from ‘Hillary Clinton’s staff.’” The reporter apparently was interested, because the indictment also said the “Conspirators” soon sent him “the password to access a nonpublic, password-protected portion” of the stolen emails.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 15, 2018, 04:34:54 AM
It is probably just a matter of time before Mueller indicts Stone:

Title: "Roger Stone: I'm 'probably' unnamed person mentioned in Robert Mueller indictment"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/07/14/roger-stone-robert-mueller-indictment-russia-hacking-donald-trump/785103002/

Extract: "Former Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone acknowledged late Friday that he's "probably" the unnamed person mentioned in special counsel Robert Mueller's indictment against 12 Russian military intelligence officers who allegedly sought to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Mueller's indictment, unveiled days before President Donald Trump is set to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin, asserts that the Russian suspects engaged in a far-reaching hacking scheme that targeted the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign.

The indictment also referenced a U.S. person who "was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump" and exchanging messages with the conspirators, who were posing as Guccifer 2.0."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 15, 2018, 04:57:36 AM
It is probably just a matter of time until Assange is kicked out of the embassy, and then indicted by Mueller:

Title: "Charges undermine Assange denials about hacked email origins"

https://apnews.com/69b28dd8fc034cb0a2528048638d7893
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 15, 2018, 05:09:27 AM
Where there is smoke there is fire:

Title: "Charges undermine Assange denials about hacked email origins"

https://thinkprogress.org/sanctioned-russian-lobbyist-meeting-with-assange-df1865627145/

Extract: "The Guardian reported Wednesday that visitor logs at the Ecuadorian embassy  show that Adam Waldman, the longtime lobbyist for sanctioned Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, stopped by to visit Assange a total of nine times last year, more than nearly anyone else.

Waldman’s visits bookended Trump’s 2017 inauguration, with the most recent stop by the embassy coming last November."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 15, 2018, 06:48:07 AM
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We may not be ready for a revolution in honesty but it's coming. DARPA is spending huge resources to develop this AI based technology for the government and military. For we peons this is an example of the technology the public can access today.

https://converus.com/

Quote
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Just like the famous Underwriters Laboratories seal of approval (UL) label, any source that hasn't passed a battery of credibility assessment tests will be suspect.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 15, 2018, 09:21:58 AM
Mueller is using the classic approach of busting organized crime of starting prosecution from the outside of the ring and then moving inward:

Title: "Mueller’s map: What 35 indictments and pleas tell us"

https://www.axios.com/muellers-map-what-35-indictments-tell-us--7f9d178a-9e31-494a-8ab3-2c46c4a9ab2d.html

Extract: "Known knowns about Mueller:

•He has keystroke-by-keystroke reconstructions of online activities by the Russian "Conspirators," as the indictment calls them — down to their web searches.

•He's going broader, deeper, wider than people realize — following the money, following the keystrokes, following the concentric circles of characters."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 16, 2018, 12:06:00 AM
Trump conditions his base to believe that both the EU and 'much' of the media is the enemy of the people of the USA, while preparing to hold a secret meeting with Putin, after Mueller has indicted twelve GRU operatives for meddling in the 2016 election:

Title: "“I think the European Union is a foe,” Trump says on eve of Putin summit"

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/15/17573836/trump-european-union-americas-foe

Extract: "The president is ratcheting up his criticism of US allies’ trade practices"

&

Title: "Trump lashes out at media, Democrats as he travels to meet with Putin"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/397097-trump-lashes-out-at-media-democrats-as-he-travels-to-meet-with-putin

Extract: "President Trump on Sunday asserted that "much" of the media is the "enemy of the people" and blamed Democrats for division in the country as he prepared to head to Finland for a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 16, 2018, 07:36:15 PM
Trump disrespects the grand jury finding of probable cause w.r.t. Russian meddling in the 2016 election, and he thereby disrespects the US Constitution. 

Title: "Trump sides with Russia against FBI at Helsinki summit"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

Extract: "After face-to-face talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Mr Trump contradicted US intelligence agencies and said there had been no reason for Russia to meddle in the vote.

Mr Putin reiterated that Russia had never interfered in US affairs.

The two men held nearly two hours of closed-door talks in the Finnish capital Helsinki on Monday.

At a news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.

"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it should be," he replied."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 16, 2018, 07:43:42 PM
And now, hopefully, some of you will understand why the ‘T’ word has been tossed around, and will likely take on a more prominent place in discussions going forward.

This is clearly going to raise the stakes in the upcoming elections ....

Just keep in mind that it is more than Trump selling out:  McConell, Ryan, Guilliani, and a whole host of others.

Keep eyes on Mattis .....
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 16, 2018, 08:31:00 PM
And now, hopefully, some of you will understand why the ‘T’ word has been tossed around, and will likely take on a more prominent place in discussions going forward.

No wonder Trump refused to allow any note takers during his 130-minute private discussion with Putin.  It's not hard to imagine how many treasonous acts of conspiracy Trump may have committed during those 130-minutes.  Yet his GOP base will undoubtedly remain loyal, as most of them don't want to hold any more elections now that their guy is in office.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Tor Bejnar on July 16, 2018, 10:08:35 PM
Quote
Yet his GOP base will undoubtedly remain loyal, as most of them don't want to hold any more elections now that their guy is in office.
Why would there be 'any more elections' one way or the other if President Trump is impeached and convicted (or not)?  My question is only 'valid' if one believes the GOP base actually knows how the U.S. electoral system works.  ...  I see now that the base might think there will be new elections because of an impeachment, so they remain steadfastly loyal.  Even this doesn't make sense.  Unless you are pro-Soviet (yes, I mean "Soviet"), supporting the current U.S. regime doesn't make much sense. ...

I better not try to wrap my mind around this any more, and close my computer and go canvassing (for For Our Future (http://forourfuturepac.org/)).
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 16, 2018, 10:57:44 PM
A couple things of note:

1)  Don't forget that TRAITOR DON IS SEAN HANNITY'S BUDDY ..... THIS IS FOX NEW's PRESIDENT (not ours).  FOX and SEAN OWN THIS.    And I will NEVER .... EVER .... let them forget it.

2)  Odds of Donnie skipping out of Dodge, back to the USSR are now 35%.  On any trips to Saudi Arabia or Russia.... they go up from there.


Just remember that skipping out of the country is NOT Traitor Don's #1 option ..... it is his third.  But I have a sneaking hunch that his #2 option of going on a firing binge is NOT too far away.

Watch Mattis .....

Watch McMaster (he still hasn't spoken up since he "quit")....

Watch "moderate" Russians Republicans




Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 17, 2018, 12:23:11 AM
Quote
Yet his GOP base will undoubtedly remain loyal, as most of them don't want to hold any more elections now that their guy is in office.
Why would there be 'any more elections' one way or the other if President Trump is impeached and convicted (or not)?  My question is only 'valid' if one believes the GOP base actually knows how the U.S. electoral system works.  ...  I see now that the base might think there will be new elections because of an impeachment, so they remain steadfastly loyal.  Even this doesn't make sense.  Unless you are pro-Soviet (yes, I mean "Soviet"), supporting the current U.S. regime doesn't make much sense. ...

I better not try to wrap my mind around this any more, and close my computer and go canvassing (for For Our Future (http://forourfuturepac.org/)).

My point is that according to polls, the majority of Trump's base would like to end democracy in the USA, and make Trump a dictator who does not need to face an election in 2020 (assuming that he is not impeached before then).
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 17, 2018, 02:40:40 AM
Rand Paul certainly tipped his hand today when he minimized what Russia did during the election.

Things will likely increase in speed over the coming days and weeks as the FBI and Mueller group keep pushing forward.

The FBI still has a lot of information to go through on Michaels Cohen’s case.  But when they do finish going through those documents, charges are likely to be brought against Cohen, and Cohen is going to flip on Trump.  Will Mueller subpoena Trump?  I suspect the odds of that happening have increased.

But I have to believe that Donnie is getting close to melting down, and if enough KEY Republicans would call him out ... that may push Donnie over the edge, and he may start firing some folks.

CLEARLY Donnie is working as an agent of Russia.  CLEARLY.   Buckle up ...
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Tor Bejnar on July 17, 2018, 02:41:45 AM
Abrupt, that is what I feared you meant (after a few twists and turns).
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on July 17, 2018, 03:29:56 AM

My point is that according to polls, the majority of Trump's base would like to end democracy in the USA, and make Trump a dictator who does not need to face an election in 2020 (assuming that he is not impeached before then).


I'd like to examine all of those polls. Link please.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 17, 2018, 01:00:22 PM
There are a LOT of nervous Republicans in Congress today.  After Donnie all but went up to Putin and gave him a BJ in the press conference.

And with the FBI's arrest of Miss Butina ..... the Russian working on behalf of some half baked Russian guns rights organization .... AND WITH THE NRA ...... those Republicans SHOULD BE NERVOUS.  I think you can now see how quickly these things can EXPLODE.

So what card(s) is Mueller going to play next?  What is the next piece of information we glean from his investigation?

Remember when I said "the Republicans are going to have to make a choice this summer .... they either throw Traitor Don overboard, or they lose bigly in the coming elections."

It's now decision time.  Over the next few weeks we will see who is deciding to go "all in with Vladimir Trump.....and who is on the side of the US."

The NRA is obviously in big trouble ..... but anyone who can read has known that for MANY MONTHS.  I think the RNC (Republican National Committtee) shoe could drop in the coming weeks.  That would not be good for a LOT of the leadership in the Republican party ..... nor would it be good for Mitt Romney's niece who is likely heading to jail herself (Rona Romney heads the RNC).  She may be hitting up 'ole Uncle Mitt for a few shekels to hire a good law firm.  She really is a "piece of work", much like her lying uncle.

It wouldn't take much to turn the Blue Tide into a Blue Tsunami.  Time will tell ......

http://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/republican-maria-butina-arrest-leaders/11415/

 
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 17, 2018, 07:51:02 PM
While Mueller will not be prosecuting Maria Butina, he will have access to all the DOJ material for that case, and if eventually there is found to be overlap, Mueller will be able to make use of such overlapping information:

Title: "The Justice Department just charged a Russian national with trying to infiltrate the NRA"

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/16/17577838/maria-butina-indictment-russia-spy-trump

Extract: "Maria Butina was accused of trying to influence the Republican Party at Russia’s behest.

An affidavit filed by an FBI agent asserts that Butina tried to cozy up to a gun rights organization so she could influence a major political party, all the while working for a top Russian central bank official and trying to advance the interests of the Russian state — and not registering as a foreign agent.

Though the affidavit does not name many of the people and groups involved, previous reporting and context clues make it clear that the gun rights group is the National Rifle Association, the party is the Republican Party, and the Russian official is Alexander Torshin.

The Butina case is not part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe — she was investigated by the FBI’s Washington field office and will be prosecuted by the US Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia. Butina was arrested on Sunday (before Trump and Putin met)."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 17, 2018, 08:01:09 PM

My point is that according to polls, the majority of Trump's base would like to end democracy in the USA, and make Trump a dictator who does not need to face an election in 2020 (assuming that he is not impeached before then).


I'd like to examine all of those polls. Link please.
Terry

Terry,


I think that you are very lazy.  So here is one link that I found in 5 seconds.  If you demonstrate to me that you have done some research on this matter, then I might consider providing you with more links.

Title: "Do Republicans Actually Want to Postpone the 2020 Election?"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/poll-republicans/536472/
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 17, 2018, 10:43:02 PM
Trump says that the Russians might have meddled in the 2016 election, but that it "could be other people also."

https://www.axios.com/trump-putin-russia-meddling-7b442f1e-150a-49ef-a37c-c364b43b24e8.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 17, 2018, 10:50:31 PM
Manafort had better hurry-up and cut a plea deal before his July 25th trail begins, or he could well be in a world of hurt:

Title: "Special counsel Robert Mueller asks for immunity for five potential witnesses in Paul Manafort trial"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/mueller-asks-for-immunity-for-five-witnesses-in-manafort-case.html

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller is asking a judge to grant immunity from prosecution for five potential witnesses whose testimony Mueller wants to compel at the upcoming federal criminal trial of former Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort, according to a court filing Tuesday.

If the five unidentified people are not granted immunity — and compelled to testify against Manafort — they would either refuse to take the witness stand or refuse to answer questions by citing their Fifth Amendment right against being forced to incriminate themselves, according to Mueller's filing in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Virginia.

Mueller has also asked Judge T.S. Ellis to seal from public view the court motions detailing the witnesses' identities."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 17, 2018, 10:55:04 PM
For your information:

Title: "Bookmaker increases chances of Trump being impeached after Putin summit"

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/397431-bookmaker-increases-odds-of-trump-being-impeached-after-trump-putin-summit

Extract: "Paddy Power increased the likelihood of Trump being impeached on Tuesday from 8-1 to 2-1, according to Yahoo News. The news outlet first reported that the betting company also increased the likelihood of Trump being impeached this year, from 12-1 to 8-1."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on July 18, 2018, 02:57:26 AM
Paddy Power ? These guys ? They paid out to Hilary bettors early, claimed no chance of Trump win.

Wiki:

"On 18 October 2016, Paddy Power paid out $1.1M to those who bet on Hillary Clinton in the 2016 United States presidential election, citing a certainty of Clinton's victory. Trump won."

So sad.

sidd

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 18, 2018, 04:53:40 AM
Maybe Mueller is closing in on Team Erik Prince who set up the Seychelles meeting in January of 2017.

Title: "Seychelles meetings probed by Mueller included several Russians: exclusive"

https://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/07/seychelles_meetings_probed_in_mueller_investigatio.html

Extract: "NJ Advance Media reported in May that an aircraft linked to the Russian government landed in the Seychelles the day before Prince allegedly met with Dmitriev, which raised questions about the scope of the meetings and whether sanctions were a topic of conversation.

The Russian plane in question departed from Moscow, stopped in Dubai, and landed in the Seychelles at 4:21 p.m. Jan. 10, 2017, according to the Seychelles Civil Aviation Authority -- one day before Prince arrived on the island. The plane carried six passengers, including flight crew.

The passengers stayed at the Four Seasons Hotel -- the scene for the meetings that week in January.

Two individuals familiar with the aircraft's purchasing history said the aircraft is owned by Andrei Skoch, a Russian billionaire who made his fortune in the mining business and is now a deputy in the Russian State Duma, the country's legislative body. Skoch is currently under U.S. sanctions.

That same plane flew to Dubai later in the day on Jan. 10. It returned to the island days later and departed Jan. 19 with a total of 16 passengers. The World Economic Forum began Jan. 20 in Switzerland."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 18, 2018, 05:03:09 AM
If the GOP Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is not prepared to subpoena the US translator in the room with Trump & Putin, then I hope that Mueller subpoenas her:

Title: "Senator Calls For Hearing With U.S. Interpreter In Trump-Putin Meeting"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/senate-hearing-interpreter-trump-putin_us_5b4e4d86e4b0de86f487a4e3

Extract: "Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) says she wants to bring in that interpreter to testify before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on what, exactly, Trump shared with Putin.


“That translator is an official of the U.S. government,” Shaheen told reporters Tuesday. “It is imperative that the American people and this Congress know precisely what the president shared or promised the Kremlin on our behalf.”"


Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 18, 2018, 05:35:06 AM
Paddy Power ? These guys ? They paid out to Hilary bettors early, claimed no chance of Trump win.

Wiki:

"On 18 October 2016, Paddy Power paid out $1.1M to those who bet on Hillary Clinton in the 2016 United States presidential election, citing a certainty of Clinton's victory. Trump won."

So sad.

sidd

If you think that Paddy Power's odds are wrong and you want to teach them the error of their way, then you might want to consider placing a large bet.

Edit: But before you place any possible bet you might want to check-out the following linked site:

Title: "Odds of Trump Impeachment: Has He Finally Put(in) Himself in an Inescapable Situation?"

https://www.oddsshark.com/entertainment/donald-trump-betting-props

Extract: "For the first time since Trump’s election, odds for his impeachment during his first term are -200 at Bovada. In the eyes of oddsmakers, the odds are better than not that Trump won’t see the end of his first term."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on July 18, 2018, 10:08:20 PM
Looks like another knife fight, this time pitting Page against Strzok.

“On many cases, she admits that the text messages mean exactly what they say as opposed to agent Strzok, who thinks all misinterpreted his own words on any text message that might be negative.”

Wonder how long before Page's testimony leaks ?

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/17/lisa-page-testimony-texts-contradict-strzok/

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 18, 2018, 10:40:10 PM

Here's an idea ... how about automatically recording all speech inside the Oval Office (ala Richards Nixon), the Command Center bunker, inside Airforce One & 2, and keeping an active recording device on the US President 24/7 (much like an alarmed ankle bracket used by law enforcement) with all that data collected by the NSA officially and transcribed live to the Cloud so everyone can see for themselves what a great guy he is and to be sure he doesn't trade state secrets for sex with hookers? You know it makes sense.

That's crazy talk.

The next thing you know everybody will have to stop using anonymous IDs and there might be a lot less fake news and conspiracies. Before you know it sanity might break out and then what will we do!
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on July 18, 2018, 10:44:44 PM
If you think that Paddy Power's odds are wrong and you want to teach them the error of their way, then you might want to consider placing a large bet.

I wanted to bet 50 euros, but it seems I can't bet from Austria.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 19, 2018, 03:24:46 AM
Looks like another knife fight, this time pitting Page against Strzok.

“On many cases, she admits that the text messages mean exactly what they say as opposed to agent Strzok, who thinks all misinterpreted his own words on any text message that might be negative.”

Wonder how long before Page's testimony leaks ?

https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/17/lisa-page-testimony-texts-contradict-strzok/

sidd
sidd,
Are you seriously citing Breitbart as a news reference? :P
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 19, 2018, 03:42:29 AM
WTF

Title: "White House: Trump will consider letting Russia question investor, former ambassador"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/18/trump-russia-browder-mcfaul-questioning-731616

Extract: "President Donald Trump will consider allowing Russian investigators to question U.S.-born investor Bill Browder, former U.S. ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul and others after President Vladimir Putin floated the idea, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Wednesday.

“He said it was an interesting idea. He didn’t commit to anything,” Sanders said at the daily press briefing. “He wants to work with his team and determine if there’s any validity that would be helpful to the process…It was an idea they threw out.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on July 19, 2018, 03:48:00 AM
Why not Breitbart? We're already used to Russia Today here...
The Maria Butina case now becomes serious spy novel stuff. (Not strictly Mueller's job, but his turf: First indictment indicating collusion with Russia...)

I expect the "useful idiots" (a technical term) and the Russian trolls here to overheat.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiSLRL1U0AA88-z.jpg)
https://gizmodo.com/this-viral-photo-doesnt-show-maria-butina-in-an-oval-of-1827653099 :o :)

Time for more popcorn.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 19, 2018, 04:58:03 AM
Republican leaders in Congress going to be under much more pressure after the latest New York Times article tonight, detailing how Donald Trump was consulted by the US intelligence agencies IN DETAIL in January 2017 about the Russian interference into the US elections.

Republican leaders like McConnell, Ryan and others in for a rough ride.  As the unmasking of Trump as an agent of Russia continues, the depth and breadth of collusion with Russia AND the broad coverup and obstruction of justice will blow everyone away.

Treason is now VERY MUCH in play .... and not just for Traitor Trump.  And yes, the Russian trolls will be working overtime.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on July 19, 2018, 05:30:17 AM
Re: "Are you seriously citing Breitbart as a news reference"

Mea culpa. The quote

“On many cases, she admits that the text messages mean exactly what they say as opposed to agent Strzok, who thinks all misinterpreted his own words on any text message that might be negative.”

is from

https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/1019210520979755008

sidd

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on July 19, 2018, 05:36:10 AM
https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/1019210520979755008

sidd

Hahaaaaahahahaha...
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: pileus on July 19, 2018, 06:05:39 AM
Republican leaders in Congress going to be under much more pressure after the latest New York Times article tonight, detailing how Donald Trump was consulted by the US intelligence agencies IN DETAIL in January 2017 about the Russian interference into the US elections.

Republican leaders like McConnell, Ryan and others in for a rough ride.  As the unmasking of Trump as an agent of Russia continues, the depth and breadth of collusion with Russia AND the broad coverup and obstruction of justice will blow everyone away.

Treason is now VERY MUCH in play .... and not just for Traitor Trump.  And yes, the Russian trolls will be working overtime.

It is indeed treason, but Republican leadership and his base will turn a blind eye.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html#click=https://t.co/pHXVEZ7bLP

WASHINGTON — Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.

The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.

Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing. But ever since, Mr. Trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings that he received on Jan. 6, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed.
———————
And ultimately, several human sources had confirmed Mr. Putin’s own role.

That included one particularly valuable source, who was considered so sensitive that Mr. Brennan had declined to refer to it in any way in the Presidential Daily Brief during the final months of the Obama administration, as the Russia investigation intensified.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: pileus on July 19, 2018, 06:27:21 AM
Remember the efforts by Kushner and Flynn to create a back channel to Russia?

A few weeks after Trump was given the info detailed in the NYT article, a senior Russian cyberintel officer was arrested on charges of treason.

In the ensuing months, a number of Russian officials succumbed to mysterious deaths.

Folks, it’s been in plain sight from the get go.

The effort to take Trump down is going to intensify, as is the vigor of his manic defense and gaslighting, and the circling of the wagons by his cult.

There is no way to predict how this will end.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: crandles on July 19, 2018, 03:16:25 PM
For your information:

Title: "Bookmaker increases chances of Trump being impeached after Putin summit"

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/397431-bookmaker-increases-odds-of-trump-being-impeached-after-trump-putin-summit

Extract: "Paddy Power increased the likelihood of Trump being impeached on Tuesday from 8-1 to 2-1, according to Yahoo News. The news outlet first reported that the betting company also increased the likelihood of Trump being impeached this year, from 12-1 to 8-1."

Neven wants to bet at these rubbish odds? huh?

Intrade offers better than 5/2 on Trump leaving office during first term and 13:1 on leaving office this year.

Leaving office through ill health would lead to bet paying out at intrade which makes discrepancy in odds worse, but not sure about any delay between being impeached and leaving office perhaps explaining some of the difference.

Sounds like Paddy power have received large bets and don't want more money placed on those bets.

Don't think intrade takes bettors from Austria either.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on July 19, 2018, 05:09:30 PM


Any and all other reports, investigations, intel NDI opinions and Mueller Indictments about the alleged acts of Russian citizens and/or Russian Govt employees is besides the point to what Mueller has been charged to specifically investigate regarding the Trump Campaign. People would be wise to continually check their own thinking that they are NOT conflating the TWO very separate issues here. Including the repeated errors, distortions and political propaganda that comes out of the likes of the NYTs and all the incompetent journalists reporting on these two separate matters. 

False.  Mueller's remit includes the investigation and prosecution of all crimes that he comes across in the course of his investigation.  I posted the document previously here.

Mueller is doing exactly as he's been charged to do.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on July 19, 2018, 05:27:27 PM
Muellers indictment features claims about Guccifer 2.0 that are inconsistent with what has been discovered about the persona, says the IT security expert Adam Carter who has in depth analyzed all trails of Guccifer 2.0. The inconsistencies include the following:

    Evidence was found over 500 days ago relating to the Guccifer 2.0 persona that showed they had deliberately manipulated files to have Russian metadata. We know the process used to construct the documents was not due to accidental mistakes during the creation process. Guccifer 2.0 also went to considerable effort to make sure Russian error messages appeared in copies of files given to the press. Why on earth would this be done by GRU agents? Wouldn't they rather try to hide any Russian trails?
    The Trump opposition research, which CrowdStrike claimed was targeted at the DNC, apparently in late April 2016, isn’t what Guccifer 2.0 actually presented to reporters. It also didn’t come from the DNC, but was an attached file on one of John Podesta’s emails – not the DNC’s. This specific copy appears to have been edited by Tony Carrk shortly before it was sent to Podesta. The fact that Guccifer 2.0’s initial releases were Podesta email attachments was even conceded by a former DNC official.
    Evidence – which Guccifer 2.0 couldn’t manipulate due to being logged by third parties – suggests he was operating in the US.
    Additional evidence, which Guccifer 2.0 would have been unlikely to realize “he” was leaving, indicated that the persona was archiving files in US timezones before release, with email headers giving him away early on.
    Virtually everything that has been claimed to indicate Guccifer 2.0 was Russian was based on something he chose to do.
    Considering that Guccifer 2.0 had access to Podesta’s emails, yet never leaked anything truly damaging to the Clinton campaign even though he would have had access to it, is highly suspicious. In fact, Guccifer 2.0 never referenced any of the scandals that would later explode when the DNC emails and Podesta email collections were published by WikiLeaks.

Guccifer 2.0 did use a Russian VPN service. However, the premise that intelligence agencies would use a commercial VPN service in their own nation to conceal their own state-backed hacking operations is just as ridiculous as the notion that the GRU would frame Russia though that’s exactly what the Guccifer 2.0 persona did from the moment he appeared.


Most of the claims in the indictment are analyzed and commented. Interesting read.

https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/07/muellers-latest-indictment-ignores-evidence-in-the-public-domain/

Could it be that Trump is right to question his intelligence agencies?

https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 19, 2018, 06:22:34 PM
Everybody:

We are just entering the age of DeepFake.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/robotics/artificial-intelligence/experts-bet-on-first-deepfakes-political-scandal
Rebecca Crootof, executive director of the Information Society Project and a research scholar and lecturer in law at Yale Law School.
Quote
“There is very little disagreement that it’s going to happen and it will happen in a way that fools us all—and it won't be proven that it's happened until long after a number of people have been convinced by it, and possibly policies have been shaped by it,” Crootof says.

The DoD, CIA are in this just as much as Big Tech.
https://www.darpa.mil/program/media-forensics

Just imagine a DeepFake recording so good it fools Trump into making a disastrous snap decision. A fake video or faked recording so good only another AI program can spot the difference.

Brave New World eh?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on July 19, 2018, 11:48:01 PM

My point is that according to polls, the majority of Trump's base would like to end democracy in the USA, and make Trump a dictator who does not need to face an election in 2020 (assuming that he is not impeached before then).


I'd like to examine all of those polls. Link please.
Terry


I think that you are very lazy.  So here is one link that I found in 5 seconds.  If you demonstrate to me that you have done some research on this matter, then I might consider providing you with more links.

Title: "Do Republicans Actually Want to Postpone the 2020 Election?"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/poll-republicans/536472/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/poll-republicans/536472/)
In your hast to find something to back your claim, you chanced upon a link from 2017 that actually postulates quite the opposite. 5 seconds is certainly a very rapid search, but hadn't you already read the polls before you wrote a post in which you claim to synopsis their finding?


While I do appreciate the extremes you've gone to in order find some means of substantiating your, "bolded" claim, a very out of date link saying that an even earlier poll was poorly designed and wasn't really asking what the pollsters claimed does little to bolster your argument.


Lazily Yours
Terry
P.S.
I'm have no interest in "demonstrating" my "research". If you don't wish to defend your silly post, then don't bother to do so.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 20, 2018, 03:19:23 AM

In your hast to find something to back your claim, you chanced upon a link from 2017 that actually postulates quite the opposite. 5 seconds is certainly a very rapid search, but hadn't you already read the polls before you wrote a post in which you claim to synopsis their finding?


While I do appreciate the extremes you've gone to in order find some means of substantiating your, "bolded" claim, a very out of date link saying that an even earlier poll was poorly designed and wasn't really asking what the pollsters claimed does little to bolster your argument.


Lazily Yours
Terry
P.S.
I'm have no interest in "demonstrating" my "research". If you don't wish to defend your silly post, then don't bother to do so.

I read an article about the poll in 2017, but I did not keep track of it.  Thus I conducted a Google search in 5 sec. to find a different article about the same poll.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 20, 2018, 03:59:25 AM
We can soon close this tread since we have now moved on past the popular meme of "Russia didn't affect the outcome of the 2016 election" to "It was a good thing Russia helped rig the election".
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/565592/

It's about time we rip the mask off.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on July 22, 2018, 06:53:33 PM
Carter Page FISA applications (heavily redacted)

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4614708/Carter-Page-FISA-Application.pdf

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 22, 2018, 08:30:51 PM
RE: FBI release of Carter Page FISA applications.

By releasing this I think they have signaled the end of the FISA program.
From here on out they will use the all-purpose, much more powerful, National Security Letter law. Fast FBI approval process, no judicial review needed, no appeal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on July 23, 2018, 06:25:23 AM
Re: "the end of the FISA program"

Hardly. FISA judges turn down a miniscule fraction of presented warrants.

Re: "US law firm"

Perkins Coie

Re: "unnamed US Male Person"

Glenn Simpson

Re: "Steel travels to Russia personally"

No. Steele is known in Russia. He relies on others in russia and elsewhere. Who feed him what he wants. Just as he feeds the Clinton campaign what they want to hear.

As i posted earlier:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1974.msg127968.html#msg127968

a quote from Someone Who Should Know:

"I can tell you what the veterans of the S.I.S. [the British Secret Intelligence Service, or MI6] think, which is yes, kompromat was done on him. Of course, kompromat is done on everyone. So they end up, the theory goes, with this compromising bit of material and then they begin to release parts of it. They set up an ex-MI6 guy, Chris Steele, who is a patsy, effectively, and they feed him some stuff that’s true, and some stuff that isn’t true, and some stuff that is demonstrably wrong. Which means that Trump can then stand up and deny it, while knowing that the essence of it is true. And then he has a stone in his shoe for the rest of his administration."

sidd






Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 23, 2018, 07:23:36 AM
Re: "the end of the FISA program"

Hardly. FISA judges turn down a miniscule fraction of presented warrants.

sidd

You are missing the point here.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-make-carter-page-fisa-applications

"The government considers FISA applications to be very sensitive—and their disclosure, even heavily redacted, may have long-term, programmatic consequences long after we’re finished with President Trump. The government seems to have accepted that FOIA applies to FISA."

In government speak, FISA is fair game for FOIA law suites and that means everything disclosed in a FISA warrant is potentially subject to public disclosure, including the names of the judges, and other high officials. FISA is kryptonite now to the FBI.

As the author points out, this will have effects long after the Trump/Russia issue is over.
Here's the thing. FISA was supposed to restrain the FBI. It's a sure bet the FBI is going to continue do surveillance on 'enemies of the state' so this just makes it easier to do it without oversight.

Winning!
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 23, 2018, 07:06:19 PM
'It's not looking good' - stalemate over WikiLeaks Assange's future 'coming to a head'

Finally ..... we can get to Julian Assange so he can clear Traitor Donnie of any wrongdoing.  ;)

This is clearly good news for Donnie ..... just ask Rudy Guilianni  ;).... ANYTHING is good for Donnie and helps clear Donnie.  Donald Trump's fingerprints on the weapon used in a murder would be touted as good news by Rudy.

The diplomatic impasse over Julian Assange's six-year stay in Ecuador's London embassy is coming to a head, a source close to the WikiLeaks founder said on Monday, after media reports the South American country would rescind his political asylum.

Quote
Mr Assange has been living in Ecuador's London embassy since June 2012 when he successfully sought asylum to avoid extradition to Sweden to face questioning about allegations of sex crimes which he has always denied.

Those allegations have since been dropped but Mr Assange would be arrested by British police should he leave the embassy for breaching bail conditions.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/its-not-looking-good-stalemate-over-wikileaks-assanges-future-coming-to-a-head-37146259.html

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 23, 2018, 08:28:44 PM
There are MANY things that have already started to "spill out" into the public domain regarding RussiaGate.  One of the more interesting to me ..... and one that I believe will be VERY DAMAGING to the Republican party ..... is the relationship of the Russians + RNC + NRA.  And Maria Butina is right in the middle of this one.

There's something about Maria ........ ;)

http://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/second-american-maria-butina-key/11532/
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 27, 2018, 12:11:22 AM
Allen Weisselberg knows where all of the financial skeletons are in Trump's closet:

Title: "Why the Allen Weisselberg subpoena is so dangerous for Trump"

https://thinkprogress.org/allen-weisselberg-subpoenaed-trump-organization-cohen-investigation-187aa7fafd57/

Extract: "Allen Weisselberg, the man at the financial center of Trump's businesses, presents a new problem for the president.
...
“Alan knows everything and anything about all the financials…He knows every dollar that goes in and every dollar that leaves,” a former Trump Organization employee told Washington Post White House bureau chief Philip Rucker on Thursday. “He knows where all the bodies are buried.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 27, 2018, 04:24:46 AM
Drip .... drip ...... drip ....
Slosh ..... slosh ..... slosh
Flood ...   flood ..... flood

That’s the way these things work out...... I think that everyone beyond the sixth grade knew that Donald Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting with the Russian lawyer to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. 

I happen to believe that Michael Cohen will flip fairly soon.  Now that the Trump CFO has been subpoenaed, Cohen will have dirt on the Trump CFO.  And the CFO knows everything about Trump.

Buckle up .....
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 27, 2018, 04:43:21 PM
W.r.t. the linked article:
1. Cohen's lawyer says that someone on Team Trump leaked the information that Cohen claims that Trump had prior knowledge of the Trump Tower meeting.
2. As head of the Executive Branch, Trump's bashing of Cohen is both witness tampering and also obstruction of justice.
3. Don Jr. admitted in Congressional testimony that prior to the Trump Tower meeting he made a call to a blocked number.  If Mueller can prove that that blocked number belonged to Trump, then Cohen's pending testimony on this matter could be substantiated.

Title: "Trump rips Cohen claim: He's 'trying to make up stories'"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399141-trump-rips-cohen-claim-he-knew-of-trump-tower-meeting-hes-trying-to

Extract: "CNN reported Thursday that Cohen claims Trump had prior knowledge of the meeting between his son and a Kremlin-connected lawyer and is willing tell his account to special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Moscow's election interference efforts in 2016.

The back-and-forth marks a further escalation of the feud between Trump and Cohen, which poses legal and political problems for the president and for the White House."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 27, 2018, 05:05:22 PM
The chances of Donald Trump moving to Moscow just went up.  Putin just invited Trump to visit.  I am NOT surprised in the least.  Risk of Trump moving to Moscow just went up to 40%.

While on his trip to Moscow .... his odds of coming back to the US are the same as him staying in Moscow: 50/50

Those odds can and will change as information continues to come out in the coming days and weeks.

#TREASON
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on July 27, 2018, 05:28:33 PM
The chances of Donald Trump moving to Moscow just went up.  Putin just invited Trump to visit.  I am NOT surprised in the least.  Risk of Trump moving to Moscow just went up to 40%.

While on his trip to Moscow .... his odds of coming back to the US are the same as him staying in Moscow: 50/50

Those odds can and will change as information continues to come out in the coming days and weeks.

#TREASON

Why would Putin want to harbor a fugitive, criminal former US President?  Not good for international relations.  Removes the last shreds of Putin's plausible dependability.

More likely, he might help Trump retire to Uruguay (or wherever).  The problem for Trump is that as soon as he steps down as President, quite a few in power would find him of more use having suffered an accidental death than hanging around with a big mouth.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 27, 2018, 05:43:46 PM
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Why would Putin want to harbor a fugitive, criminal former US President?  Not good for international relations.  Removes the last shreds of Putin's plausible dependability.

1)  INFORMATION.  I have suspected from DAY 1 that Trump has been on Russia's payroll .... LITERALLY.

2)  Trump will be of NO USE to Putin if Traitor Don is in the US.  In fact .... he will only serve as a constant reminder of how Russia interfered in the election.  Putin has been cultivating this crop for over 15 years ...... he is going to get everything he can get out of it.  If he can't keep his man in the Oval Office ..... he would rather have him in Russia where he can get info from him and use him as propaganda.

3) By having Trump in Moscow ...... it is Putin's way of snubbing the "Great US" .... while at the same time getting any information that he can.  This has likely always been the "escape hatch" in case things did NOT go as planned.  Remember ..... I have ALWAYS said that "Donnie wants what Vladimir has".  Well .... Vladimir ALSO wanted Donnie to have those things.  BUT .... like any good KGB officer, you plan for contingencies.  That is what this "third route" (moving to Moscow) is.  Again ..... I say that on any trip to Moscow, chances are 50/50 that he comes back.

4)  The onion is going to unravel further.  Remember .... the public only knows A VERY SMALL AMOUNT of what is NOW going on with the FBI/CIA/etc.

5) Little Vladi controls the media in Russia.  He will make up some story and sell it on RT/TASS.

HINT: There are going to be SEVERAL NERVOUS NELLIES IN CONGRESS ..... AND ONE OR TWO AT FOX.

#TREASON
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Susan Anderson on July 27, 2018, 06:09:53 PM
@SteveMFDP: I think that's unlikely. We have a complex situation unfolding, even if we could provide courtworthy evidence. Also, Democrats have no power until (hopefully) January 7, 2019. Republicans are so corrupt and happy with their tax cuts and court stuffings they will continue to do what they can to delegitimize our legal authorities. We seem to have given too much power to our president. Those criminals will not go quietly and I doubt they will hide.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on July 27, 2018, 06:19:10 PM
@SteveMFDP: I think that's unlikely. We have a complex situation unfolding, even if we could provide courtworthy evidence. Also, Democrats have no power until (hopefully) January 7, 2019. Republicans are so corrupt and happy with their tax cuts and court stuffings they will continue to do what they can to delegitimize our legal authorities. We seem to have given too much power to our president. Those criminals will not go quietly and I doubt they will hide.

I think most probably Trump stays in the White House until the end of his term.  2/3 majority in the Senate to remove seems quite improbable.  So I differ fairly strongly with Buddy on the timeline.  But as soon as he no longer holds Presidential power, he's on an express lane to prison.  Retiring to posh house arrest in Moscow is plausible.  And as a trial would mean public presentation of lots of damning evidence, it's in every corrupt player's interest for Trump not to be around in the US to go to trial.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on July 27, 2018, 06:20:01 PM

4)  The onion is going to unravel further. 

Yes, and the churches in the Kremlin even have onion-shaped cupolas! Scary.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on July 27, 2018, 08:31:41 PM
Brad Parscale should be very worried right now (unless he is already working with Mueller).  He is going to spend a LONG TIME in jail.  Brad is the IT guru for the Trump campaign.

Who is going to break from Trump next?  I sure hope Sarah doesn’t break yet.  I want to see her go to prison for about 15 years or more.  She would be very deserving of a stiff sentance.  Let’s see how many more press conferences she gives ...
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 30, 2018, 10:59:03 PM
More & more details about the lead-up to the Trump Tower meeting:

Title: "Rudy Giuliani’s rambling new statements on Michael Cohen and the Trump Tower meeting, decoded"

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/30/17630148/giuliani-trump-tower-cohen-mueller-russia
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 31, 2018, 04:49:10 AM
According to Giuliani, Rick Gates was in the planning meeting for the Trump Tower meeting.  Thus as Gates has already cut a plea deal with Mueller, we can count on learning much more when Mueller issues more indictments:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/30/politics/giuliani-interview-trump-russia/index.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on July 31, 2018, 06:46:42 PM
Team Trump's gaming of the media over the word 'collusion', will not help them against Team Mueller, as there are well over 30 different laws that the Trump Campaign may have broken by coordinating/conspiring/colluding with the Russians leading-up to the 2016 election:

Title: "Trump says “collusion is not a crime.” Not quite."

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17634146/trump-collusion-crime-russia-mueller


See also:
Title: "Ex-FBI chief of staff: Collusion is ‘absolutely a crime’"

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/399640-former-senior-fbi-official-collusion-is-absolutely-a-crime

Extract: "“Collusion is a crime,” Rosenberg said on MSNBC's "MTP Daily." “We just happen to call it something else, we call it conspiracy, but it is absolutely a crime.”

...
“You probably won’t find the crime bank heist in the criminal code but bank robbery is a crime too, and so I am sort of perplexed that it has come down to synonyms,” said Rosenberg, who once headed the Drug Enforcement Administration.

“If these folks don’t know that collusion and conspiracy are synonyms for one another and this is a legal strategy, then they might want to consider changing horses in this race,” Rosenberg added."

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 01, 2018, 06:39:56 AM
Probbly should have posted this here:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1974.msg165169.html#msg165169

G-2/forensicator/"Adam Carter" exposed thru sloppy tradecraft: DNC hack timestamp analysis challenged: Binney no longer believes G-2/forensicator evidence:

"After re-examining the data in Guccifer 2.0 files thoroughly with the author of this article, Binney changed his mind. He said there was “no evidence to prove where the download/copy was done”."

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252445769/Briton-ran-pro-Kremlin-disinformation-campaign-that-helped-Trump-deny-Russian-links

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on August 01, 2018, 02:28:25 PM
When Rod Rosenstein announced the indictments of the dozen Russians several weeks ago, he “tipped his hand” just a wee bit .... and suggested that in the future that “Americans put their party identity aside”.

To me ..   that meant that more indictments are “in the hopper and ready to go”.  It also suggests that they may include elected officials and/or administration appointees.

I smell something burning again ...... sniff .... sniff ... sniff.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 01, 2018, 07:19:02 PM
Here is Trump's latest effort to obstruct justice, disguised as an in-your-face tweet:

Title: "Trump to Jeff Sessions: End the Mueller investigation "right now""

https://www.axios.com/trump-jeff-sessions-mueller-investigation-82ca921b-a047-4ef4-a65e-4454b4b80fef.html

Extract: "Trump has repeatedly pressured Sessions to end the investigation on at least four occasions, Swan reported in May. The NYTimes reported last week that Mueller is scrutinizing the president's tweets as part of a wide-ranging obstruction of justice inquiry."

See also:

Title: "Sarah Sanders says Trump ‘is not obstructing, he’s fighting back.’ There’s just one problem."

https://thinkprogress.org/sarah-sanders-trump-sessions-not-obstructing-fighting-back-russia-4017a1f05f4d/

Extract: "Suffice it to say there is no “fighting back” exception to obstruction of justice charges, which were part of the articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on August 03, 2018, 04:33:17 AM
Manafort’s bookkeeper testifies against him, alleging efforts to inflate income

Paul Manafort’s longtime bookkeeper testified against him Thursday, telling a Virginia jury that his seven-figure lifestyle lasted until about 2015 when the cash ran out, the bills piled up and he and his business partner began trying to fudge numbers to secure loans.

Prosecutors say that is because Manafort’s biggest client — what one associate called his “golden goose,” Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych — fled for Russia in 2014 amid massive protests against his government.

The dry but potentially damaging testimony from the bookkeeper, Heather Washkuhn, appeared to undercut Manafort’s defense against bank and tax charges, which is that his business partner is responsible for any financial misdeeds. But Washkuhn testified that Manafort approved “every penny.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/manaforts-bookkeeper-testifies-against-him-alleging-efforts-to-inflate-income/2018/08/02/abba1f88-968a-11e8-80e1-00e80e1fdf43_story.html?utm_term=.18205a870afe

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On Wednesday, witnesses testified that Manafort spent more than $1 million on business suits and luxury clothes over five years.

Funny, since for the next five years he only needs one suit : A bright orange jumpsuit.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 03, 2018, 06:34:26 AM
Glenn Simpson and Fusion/GPS seem to have escaped Mueller's scrutiny so far. Odd, considering Simpson was playing several hands at once:

a) Assisting Prevezon in lawsuit against bill browder and getting paid by Veselnitskaya
b) while Veselnitskaya was working for repeal of Magnitsky Act as in the Trump Jr meeting
c) while Simpson was running Steele and getting paid by Perkins Coie for the Democrats

We shall see.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 03, 2018, 08:12:01 AM
I've wondered if the upright, but philandering Bob Livingston has been registering as a paid lobbyist for all of the assorted and sordid foreign politicians he's represented since his infamous act of self-defenestration.
Surely Mueller will dig into this as deeply as he's been digging into the shenanigans of the brothers Podesta.

Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on August 03, 2018, 09:06:01 AM
Probbly should have posted this here:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1974.msg165169.html#msg165169

G-2/forensicator/"Adam Carter" exposed thru sloppy tradecraft: DNC hack timestamp analysis challenged: Binney no longer believes G-2/forensicator evidence:

"After re-examining the data in Guccifer 2.0 files thoroughly with the author of this article, Binney changed his mind. He said there was “no evidence to prove where the download/copy was done”."

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252445769/Briton-ran-pro-Kremlin-disinformation-campaign-that-helped-Trump-deny-Russian-links

sidd

It's not just pro-Kremlin G-2/"Adam Carter/Tim Leonard" who has egg on his face now.

Mueller's team explained in excruciating detail how the Russian Military Intelligence agency GRU hacked into the DNC and the DCCC networks, and created the Guccifer 2.0 persona :
https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

Given these facts, also Ray McGovern and William Binney himself (as well as their group VIPS) lost credibility :

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Some former intelligence officials, from a group called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), backed up the claim. A group, including William Binney, a former technical director at the US National Security Agency (NSA), and former CIA officer Ray McGovern, were persuaded, without checking the file data, to say that the hacking was the work of insiders.

and other VIPS members now throw these fellow members that put out media reports under the bus :

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According to former NSA technical manager Tom Drake, “Ray’s determination to publish claims he wanted to believe without checking facts and discarding evidence he didn’t want to hear exactly reproduced the Iraq war intelligence failures which the VIPS group was formed to oppose”. He and other VIPS members refused to sign McGovern’s report.

Not to mention that Seth Rich truthers like Seymour Hersh were proven wrong. Again.

Amazing what a good amount of fact checking can do. It's Mueller time again.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on August 03, 2018, 01:49:59 PM
Adam Carter and Disobedient media claim there is a smear campaign in the making, and that Campbells critique is not based on facts.

"Early yesterday, journalist Duncan Campbell published an inaccurate, deceptive smear piece which doxxed independent journalist Adam Carter, ...In the wake of the hit-piece, Adam Carter has publicly stated that he is considering taking legal action due to the libelous material contained in Campbell’s work. Over the coming days and weeks, Disobedient Media will likely publish multiple articles addressing the issue. However, this initial response is dedicated to placing the character assassination attempt firmly into the context in which it belongs: as part of the larger picture surrounding WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, Russiagate, and the establishment’s desperate attempts to prevent the latter from falling apart....  Julian Assange could provide proof that the DNC emails and Podesta emails published by WikiLeaks were not sourced from Russia, or backed by the Kremlin, all without disclosing the identity of the source. ...
Disobedient Media recently spoke with former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney, a co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, who was featured in Campbell’s article.
Binney told us that he stands by the assessment made in the VIPS memorandum to President Trump, published last year. He told us that Duncan misrepresented his statements describing Guccifer 2.0 as a fabrication. While speaking with us, Binney utterly refuted Campbell’s dishonest portrayal of Binney having changed his stance on the issue.
Binney told this author that he referred specifically to Guccifer 2.0 as a fabrication, adding that it doesn’t matter where the information was downloaded, or when, or that the information was manipulated, because the point is that it was not hacked, and the who/where does not alter that fact. He said that Guccifer 2.0 was: “Clearly a fabrication, a fake, put out there to confuse. Timing is irrelevant, fake is fake. You can manipulate timing, you can change anything, but it doesn’t matter. It makes no difference.”
He added: “We [VIPS members] were calling it fake from the beginning, and we still do.”
Binney told us: “We agreed it was a download, not a hack, the whole thing was a set up – we can’t prove who is responsible or where they were located, but that is irrelevant because it was still a download, not a hack, which tells us that the Guccifer 2.0 persona was a fabrication.” "

https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/08/opinion-on-the-latest-establishment-attack-launched-against-wikileaks-independent-media/
https://twitter.com/with_integrity?lang=en
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 03, 2018, 03:52:54 PM
The above is nonsense, and we've discussed these issues here before.
You can't conclude anything from time zone stamps, because they can be set, reset, forgotten to be set--to any time zone on any computer.

Time stamps to the second can indicate something about transfer speed--but not at which step of transfer.  Initial access speeds may not be what's reflected here, but transfer speeds at some later step in the cascade of transfers prior to publication.  No conclusions can be drawn.  This kind of metadata is useless for forensic purposes.

No, Assange cannot possibly say the files were not from Russia.  He can only say who he got the files from, not where that person obtained them.

The VIPS report is garbage.  The Mueller indictment is the most authoritative public information about Guccifer 2.0.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 03, 2018, 04:55:27 PM
The above is nonsense, and we've discussed these issues here before.
You can't conclude anything from time zone stamps, because they can be set, reset, forgotten to be set--to any time zone on any computer.

Time stamps to the second can indicate something about transfer speed--but not at which step of transfer.  Initial access speeds may not be what's reflected here, but transfer speeds at some later step in the cascade of transfers prior to publication.  No conclusions can be drawn.  This kind of metadata is useless for forensic purposes.

No, Assange cannot possibly say the files were not from Russia.  He can only say who he got the files from, not where that person obtained them.

The VIPS report is garbage.  The Mueller indictment is the most authoritative public information about Guccifer 2.0.

+1
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on August 03, 2018, 05:31:18 PM
Ditto Steve MDFP.....

The sun rises in the east and sets in the West.  How many times do we have to revisit that ....
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 03, 2018, 05:51:07 PM

So it's easy to say The above is nonsense, and The VIPS report is garbage which is fine to do, however it would be wise to also remember that there is NO EVIDENCE contained in those Indictments.

Depends on what you call evidence.  If a blogger states a number of facts and conclusions, and it's all fabricated bogus crap, he faces no consequences.

A prosecutor is an officer of the court.  If a prosecutor states a number of facts and conclusions, and it's all fabricated bogus crap, he faces possible disbarment and disgrace, personal ruin.  Possibly criminal charges.

So who are you going to believe?  Highly detailed, specific information from a highly credible source, stated under oath (or equivalent) is evidence, in most people's book.

Consider that Mueller's investigation is not just a criminal investigation, but *also* a national security investigation.  He has access to everything in the national security system.  We all know the NSA hoovers up most internet traffic, even stuff that doesn't pass into the US.  This information is confidential, but relevant data can be selectively declassified for purposes of criminal prosecution.    Mueller has assured the court that he's prepared to present evidence referred to in the indictment.  There's no higher level of proof that can be public.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on August 03, 2018, 06:59:24 PM
...
Which is why is such fun for VIPS & Binney to say what they say, and Campbell to say what he says and the FBI to say what they say whilst assuming (rightly) those Indictments would never ever go to TRIAL anyway. :)
 

Why not? Russia might have an incentive to assign a defence lawyer and let this go to the court, assuming that GRU/Russian state is innocent and can provide counter evidence to Mueller´s allegations. If so happens, Mueller would have to provide his evidence.
If Russia doesn't reply/defends itself, the World will conclude that Mueller's allegations are correct, and GRU were indeed hacking DNC etc.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 03, 2018, 11:32:05 PM
The 'chickens are coming home to roost' for Manafort and his double life:

Title: "Manafort trial day 4: Accountant concedes possible wrongdoing, Manafort's double life"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/03/paul-manafort-trial-2018-761300

Extract: "'They never told us about any income deposited in foreign accounts,' Manafort's accountant told jurors."

&

Title: "Manafort Trial Day 4: Tax Fraud And Bookkeepers"

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/03/635065314/manafort-trial-day-4-bank-fraud-and-bookkeepers
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on August 04, 2018, 04:43:45 AM
If Russia doesn't reply/defends itself, the World will conclude that Mueller's allegations are correct, and GRU were indeed hacking DNC etc.

Well, here is a pre-view of how Russia is responding to Mueller's indictments.
They are not arguing the case itself, but going for the full Monty :

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Lawyers for a Russian company accused of financing a massive political influence operation in the United States urged a federal judge Friday to “be brave” and declare special counsel Robert Mueller’s appointment invalid.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/03/russian-company-mueller-probe-be-brave-761787

The concerning thing is that the judge (a Trump-appointee) actually considered that argument which involves overruling a Supreme Court decision from the Watergate era.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on August 04, 2018, 06:19:36 AM
A Russian Company isn't "Russia" anymore than Exxon Mobil is the "United States." Try harder to not conflate things that shouldn't be conflated. Context matters.

Next time Exxon Mobil interferes in the Russian elections, and then argues in front of Russian courts that the Russian prosecutor should not have been appointed, you let me know.
Context matters.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 04, 2018, 07:14:45 AM
Documents Reveal Steele Was Admonished in February, 2016 by the FBI

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today the FBI turned over 70 pages of heavily redacted records about Christopher Steele,

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-fbi-records-show-dossier-author-deemed-not-suitable-for-use-as-source-show-several-fbi-payments-in-2016/

So a valuable and compensated FBI intelligence source blabbed to someone that he was an FBI source.  The FBI reacted appropriately. 
What's notable is the over-the-top spin on this.  There's no corruption in this scenario.

The source, an extreme right-wing site is worth examining:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/judicial-watch/ (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/judicial-watch/)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 04, 2018, 07:39:45 AM
Re: "11 FBI payments to Steele in 2016 and document that he was admonished for unknown reasons in February, 2016."

Mmm. Steele getting paid by FBI and Simpson/FusionGPS . Meanwhile Simpson getting paid first by Trump opponent in Republican primary  and then by Perkins-Coie/Democrats. And all the time Simpson/FusionGPS is getting paid by Prevezon/Veselnitskaya against Browder/Magnitsky. And Simpson details Bauer,  one of those working on Prevezon case to work with Steele. Without even bringing up Shearer/Blumenthal/Nuland/Finer/Winer at State or Ohr at FBI whose wife worked for Simpson.

What a tangled web we weave.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 04, 2018, 07:58:21 AM
So was it the Hillary Campaign, the DNC or the DCCC that were colluding with Kremlin Insiders through Chris Steele's  foreign corporation who were being paid to conspire with Perkins - Cole to subvert the will of the American Public and meddle with the outcome of an American Presidential Election?
Is Mr Mueller investigating any of this?

Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on August 04, 2018, 08:05:26 AM
The documents show at least 11 FBI payments to Steele in 2016 and document that he was admonished for unknown reasons in February, 2016. 

Yellow flag going up right there. If Steele was 'admonished' by the FBI in Feb 2016, did these supposed 11 FBI payments in 2016 all took place in January 2016 ? Sounds unlikely.

Since 'judicialwatch.org has the documents under login, there is no way for us to check the accuracy of these unlikely statements.

More about 'judicialwatch.org :
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Judicial_Watch

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Judicial Watch is an "associate" member of the State Policy Network, a web of right-wing “think tanks” in every state across the country.[2]

SPN is a web of right-wing “think tanks” and tax-exempt organizations in 49 states, Puerto Rico, Washington, D.C., Canada, and the United Kingdom. As of June 2018, SPN's membership totals 156. It is an $83 million right-wing empire as of the 2011 funding documents from SPN itself and each of its state "think tank" members. Although SPN's member organizations claim to be nonpartisan and independent, the Center for Media and Democracy's in-depth investigation, "EXPOSED: The State Policy Network -- The Powerful Right-Wing Network Helping to Hijack State Politics and Government," reveals that SPN and its member think tanks are major drivers of the right-wing, American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)-backed corporate agenda in state houses nationwide, with deep ties to the Koch brothers and the national right-wing network of funders.[3]

Edit: From Steve's link above :

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Founded in 1994 by Larry Klayman, Judicial Watch (JW) is an American conservative activist group that files Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits to investigate alleged misconduct by government officials. They primarily target Democrats such as the Clinton’s, Obama and climate scientists as they label climate science, “fraud science.”

Just so we know what kind of folks we are dealing with here.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 04, 2018, 08:35:09 AM
So was it the Hillary Campaign, the DNC or the DCCC that were colluding with Kremlin Insiders through Chris Steele's  foreign corporation who were being paid to conspire with Perkins - Cole to subvert the will of the American Public and meddle with the outcome of an American Presidential Election?
Is Mr Mueller investigating any of this?

Terry

We've been over this.  There's nothing improper about any campaign hiring Fusion to conduct opposition research.  There's nothing improper about Fusion hiring Steele for this work. 

On the other hand, a foreign government acting to advance one candidate by covert means is criminal. Anyone in the Trump campaign complicit in this effort is a criminal.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 04, 2018, 08:40:46 AM

Besides, why does the motivation of whoever sought the FOI access make any difference to the actual content in said documents? Are you suggesting some kind of "corruption" going on here just because it is a conservative leaning group? 

I presume the  statements of  fact from the JudicialWatch report as presented here are accurate.  The spin is what I was commenting on.  Nothing presented supports any conclusion of "corruption" by Steele or the FBI. The ridiculous spin on the presented facts is a reflection of the  extreme right-wing bias of  JudicialWatch.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Hefaistos on August 04, 2018, 04:47:14 PM
...
Which is why is such fun for VIPS & Binney to say what they say, and Campbell to say what he says and the FBI to say what they say whilst assuming (rightly) those Indictments would never ever go to TRIAL anyway. :)
 

Why not? Russia might have an incentive to assign a defence lawyer and let this go to the court, assuming that GRU/Russian state is innocent and can provide counter evidence to Mueller´s allegations. If so happens, Mueller would have to provide his evidence.
If Russia doesn't reply/defends itself, the World will conclude that Mueller's allegations are correct, and GRU were indeed hacking DNC etc.

A good movie script perhaps, but that's all. Why assume Russia gives a toss about what the World will conclude, anymore than the US doesn't care what the World thinks / concludes about it's actions and inaction?

Because of the sensational claim by Mueller that the Russian state actually meddled in US politics, and names individual GRU operatives, and what the individuals where doing. It's kind of binary here, either it was the Russian state, or it wasn't. Would be easy for Russia to demonstrate its innocence, if innocent, given the great detail of Mueller's allegations.
If they don't try do defend themselves, they are guilty in my eyes.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 04, 2018, 06:00:31 PM
Where there is smoke, there is fire:

Title: "Russian Agent Maria Butina and Ex-Trump Campaign Aid Spoke Before Election: Report"

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-campaign-aid-spoke-russian-spy-election-1057201

Extract: "Former director of national security for the Trump campaign J.D. Gordon was in contact with the National Rifle Association activist charged with conspiracy to act as a Russian spy, Maria Butina, in the weeks leading up to the 2016 election.

The two exchanged emails in September and October 2016 where Gordon invited her to a music concert by the rock band Styx in Washington, D.C., and to his birthday party in late October, according to documents, emails and testimony provided to the Senate Intelligence Committee and described to The Washington Post.

An attorney for Butina, Robert Driscoll, told Newsweek in an email Saturday, “As I told the Post, they had inconsequential social interactions after they met at a party. No big deal.”"

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on August 09, 2018, 07:50:56 AM
The Manafort trial is bizarre.

The judge (Ellis) appears to be openly hostile against the prosecution, accusing them of having "tears in their eyes", inserting his own opinions/statements ("having money is not a crime"), disallowing evidence, rushing them to wrap up their case and commenting on behalf of defense.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/08/manafort-trial-mueller-gates-ellis-768715

In the end, all that matters is what the jury thinks.

And regarding trials under judge Ellis, the only comfort we have at this point is this remark by Rossi (a former assistant U.S. attorney who has made many appearances before Ellis) :

Quote
“When an attorney makes it through his trial, the experience is like boot camp on Parris Island,” Rossi said. “But at the end of the day in my seven trials, the jury was not swayed by his demeanor and comments.”

Who decides which judge is presiding over any particular case, anyway ?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 09, 2018, 10:45:46 PM
Wikileaks reports that the Senate Intelligence committee wants Assange to testify in election interference probe:

"The organization posted a letter on its Twitter account dated Aug. 1 that purports to come from committee leaders Sens. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.) requesting that he make himself available “for a closed door interview with bipartisan Committee staff at a mutually agreeable time and location.” "

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/400882-wikileaks-says-senate-panel-requested-assange-testimony-in-russia-probe

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 09, 2018, 11:41:21 PM
Mueller has identified Hope Hicks as a witness in his investigation of Donald Trump, thus Team Trump's pressuring of Hicks to join the Trump 2020 campaign constitutes witness tampering:

Title: "Trump officials pushing Hope Hicks to join 2020 campaign: report"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/401130-trump-officials-pushing-hope-hicks-to-join-2020-campaign-report

Extract: "Members of the administration are urging former White House communications director Hope Hicks to join President Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign, just months after she left the White House, Politico reported Thursday."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 10, 2018, 12:30:41 AM
I believe that Nunes should be investigated by Mueller for obstruction of justice:

Title: "Captured on a Secret Recording, Devin Nunes Says the Quiet Part Out Loud"

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/devin-nunes-2018-midterm-election-impeachment#~o

Extract: "Behind closed doors, Trump’s allies acknowledge that the election is about protecting the president from impeachment."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 10, 2018, 02:59:20 AM
Mueller moves to conceal Trump related testimony:

" “Disclosing the identified transcript portions would reveal substantive evidence pertaining to an ongoing investigation,” the filing states. “The government’s interest in protecting the confidentiality of its ongoing investigations is compelling and justifies sealing the limited portion of the sidebar.” "

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-mueller-trump-manafort-trial-evidence-20180809-story.html

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 10, 2018, 03:44:31 AM
Mueller moves to conceal Trump related testimony:

" “Disclosing the identified transcript portions would reveal substantive evidence pertaining to an ongoing investigation,” the filing states. “The government’s interest in protecting the confidentiality of its ongoing investigations is compelling and justifies sealing the limited portion of the sidebar.” "

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-mueller-trump-manafort-trial-evidence-20180809-story.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-mueller-trump-manafort-trial-evidence-20180809-story.html)

sidd
Mueller is a nasty piece of work. Leaks like a sieve when it harms his opponent, then cries for confidentiality when his witness is cross examined.
If Gates testimony can't be questioned without divulging state secrets he should never have been called to testify.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 10, 2018, 03:48:23 AM
Mueller moves to conceal Trump related testimony:

" “Disclosing the identified transcript portions would reveal substantive evidence pertaining to an ongoing investigation,” the filing states. “The government’s interest in protecting the confidentiality of its ongoing investigations is compelling and justifies sealing the limited portion of the sidebar.” "

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-mueller-trump-manafort-trial-evidence-20180809-story.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-mueller-trump-manafort-trial-evidence-20180809-story.html)

sidd
Mueller is a nasty piece of work. Leaks like a sieve when it harms his opponent, then cries for confidentiality when his witness is cross examined.
If Gates testimony can't be questioned without divulging state secrets he should never have been called to testify.
Terry

Mueller hasn't been leaking.  He's run a very tight ship.
What's been sealed here isn't testimony at all.  It was part of a "side bar," among the judge, prosecution, and defense.  No evidence withheld at all.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 10, 2018, 06:42:36 AM
Agree, sidebar is not testimony and the article I cited did not say that. Mea culpa.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 10, 2018, 08:53:38 AM
As I read the article Mueller's team is restricting the cross examination of their witness. Sealing the sidebar can't effect the jury, so the judge's attempt to sidestep political considerations is mute.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidebar_(law)

Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 10, 2018, 03:32:02 PM
Once Manafort is convicted, I believe that we will see an increase of the rate of indictments from Mueller in August, beginning with Roger Stone:

Title: " Mueller to subpoena Roger Stone-Wikileaks connection: report"

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/401184-mueller-to-subpoena-roger-stone-associate-report

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller will reportedly soon issue a subpoena targeting Randy Credico, the associate of informal Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone who was his alleged connection to Wikileaks during the 2016 election, to force an interview with his office.

MSNBC's Ari Melber reported Thursday afternoon on his show, "The Beat with Ari Melber," that Mueller's office had "indicated" it planned to subpoena Credico and force an interview. The special counsel investigation continues to target associates of Stone, a longtime adviser and friend of President Trump."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on August 10, 2018, 03:47:57 PM
Quote
Once Manafort is convicted, I believe that we will see an increase of the rate of indictments from Mueller in August,

Manafort and Cohen have some serious decisions to make ..... SOON. Cohen is the more likely of the two "to flip".  He is much younger than Manafort, young kids, etc.  More to lose.  But either one or both COULD flip.  Or neither could flip (I don't think that is likely however).  And Manafort may decide, if he gets a seriously long sentence in his first trial ...... that he wants to flip before his SECOND TRIAL which is slated to start on September 17th.  Decisions  ..... decisions ..... decisions.

We still aren't to the "juicy" part of the Mueller investigation YET.   That is where the indictments for some of Donnie's administration AND Congressmen start coming.  THAT ..... will turn up the heat a bit.

Donnie was able to make it past the "first signpost":  Yesterday marked the same time that it took Nixon to step down from office.  So at least Donnie has made it past Tricky Dick's time from his inauguration (second inauguration) to the time he is out of office.

Tick ..... tick ..... tick....


Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 11, 2018, 07:11:38 PM
Did Team Trump agent Peter Smith pay a 'dark web' hacker to try to steal HRC's emails?

Title: "Peter Smith’s Search for Hillary Clinton’s Emails: The Subplot Thickens"

https://www.lawfareblog.com/peter-smiths-search-hillary-clintons-emails-subplot-thickens

Extract: "There’s a new twist in one of the stranger subplots of L’Affaire Russe. Buzzfeed News reports that Peter Smith, a Republican operative who reportedly sought to obtain missing Hillary Clinton emails during the 2016 presidential campaign, made several suspicious withdrawals from bank accounts during the timeframe of his quest for Clinton’s emails—suggesting that he may have paid people he believed were Russian hackers.

What’s more, the article, by reporters Anthony Cormier and Jason Leopold, suggests that the transactions are of active interest to the Mueller investigation. The special counsel indicted 12 Russian intelligence officers for hacking Democratic emails less than a month ago—and that action against the GRU officers raised questions about whether anyone on this side of the Atlantic might be part of the conspiracy Special Counsel Robert Mueller has alleged against these Russians. To have the FBI and Mueller now unearthing Peter Smith’s financial transactions that may have involved people Smith believed to be Russian hackers raises a number of interesting questions about Mueller’s understanding of the scope of the conspiracy he has charged."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 11, 2018, 07:30:53 PM
Once Manafort is convicted, I believe that we will see an increase of the rate of indictments from Mueller in August, beginning with Roger Stone:

Title: " Mueller to subpoena Roger Stone-Wikileaks connection: report"

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/401184-mueller-to-subpoena-roger-stone-associate-report

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller will reportedly soon issue a subpoena targeting Randy Credico, the associate of informal Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone who was his alleged connection to Wikileaks during the 2016 election, to force an interview with his office.

MSNBC's Ari Melber reported Thursday afternoon on his show, "The Beat with Ari Melber," that Mueller's office had "indicated" it planned to subpoena Credico and force an interview. The special counsel investigation continues to target associates of Stone, a longtime adviser and friend of President Trump."

Another "beat up"? No reason to "force an interview by subpoena" when all Mueller's team has to do is make a phone call and or go see Credico and ask their questions and listen to the answers. It's not rocket science. 

Seriously this is another Nothing Burger ... there should be a Felony charge of being "a dick" -- because that fits Roger Stone to a T. :)

Given that Stone has publically threatened Credico's dog; it appears likely that Mueller is providing protection to Credico from Stone and that the subpoena just provides Credico with cover so that he does not appear publically to be a rat against Team Trump:

Title: "Comedian Randy Credico says Trump adviser Roger Stone threatened his dog"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/comedian-randy-credico-says-trump-adviser-roger-stone-threatened-dog-135911370.html

New York City comic and ex-radio host Randy Credico says that longtime Donald Trump adviser Roger Stone sent him “scary,” obscenity-filled emails — including one threatening his dog — after he went public disputing Stone’s claim that Credico was his “backchannel” to WikiLeaks during the 2016 presidential campaign.

In a new interview on the Yahoo News podcast “Skullduggery,” Credico shared with co-hosts Daniel Klaidman and Michael Isikoff email messages he said he had received from Stone in just the last few days.

“You are a rat. You are a stoolie. You backstab your friends — run your mouth my lawyers are dying Rip you to shreds,” one of them read.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/comedian-randy-credico-says-trump-adviser-roger-stone-threatened-dog-135911370.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 12, 2018, 01:37:29 AM
Still more evidence for Mueller to use to support his likely charge of obstruction of justice against The Donald:

Title: "Trump heightens attacks on Sessions: He's 'scared stiff and missing in action'"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-heightens-attacks-on-sessions-hes-scared-stiff-and-missing-in-action/ar-BBLNBRV?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "President Trump ratcheted up his attacks on Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Saturday, tweeting that Sessions was "scared stiff" and "Missing in Action" in defending him amid special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Trump slammed Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence officer at the center of the Trump dossier scandal, and the Department of Justice (DOJ) and once again slammed Mueller's investigation as a "witch hunt."

"The big story that the Fake News Media refuses to report is lowlife Christopher Steele's many meetings with Deputy A.G. Bruce Ohr and his beautiful wife, Nelly. It was Fusion GPS that hired Steele to write the phony & discredited Dossier, paid for by Crooked Hillary & the DNC," Trump tweeted.

"Do you believe Nelly worked for Fusion and her husband STILL WORKS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF 'JUSTICE.' I have never seen anything so Rigged in my life. Our A.G. is scared stiff and Missing in Action. It is all starting to be revealed - not pretty. IG Report soon? Witch Hunt!" he wrote."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 12, 2018, 02:37:23 AM
Because this stuff is a beat up. Credico is not terrified Stone is going to kill his dog. OK?

Threats were made.  How do you know Credico is not concerned about them?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on August 12, 2018, 08:23:39 AM
The more talk about Stone, the happier Stone is.

And yes, it is a with hunt, but Trump is a witch. If the witch is brought down, it will cast a spell that will haunt for a long time to come. If the witch isn't brought down, its magical powers will increase in power. Better to neutralise the magic.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 13, 2018, 04:18:49 AM
Bruce (DOJ) and Nellie (Fusion/GPS) Ohr as backchannels to Steele:

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/400810-opinion-how-a-senior-justice-official-helped-dems-on-trump-russia-case

sidd


Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 13, 2018, 04:54:12 PM
Mueller is on a roll and is picking-up momentum:

Title: "U.S. judge says Mueller case against Russian company can proceed"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-concord/u-s-judge-says-mueller-case-against-russian-company-can-proceed-idUSKBN1KY1K4

Extract: "A U.S. judge on Monday refused to dismiss charges against a Russian company accused of helping fund a propaganda operation to sway the 2016 presidential election in Donald Trump’s favor, saying Special Counsel Robert Mueller had not exceeded his power."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 13, 2018, 05:13:54 PM
Omarosa reportedly turned down an offer to receive $15,000/month to sign an NDA; however, Keith Schiller (Trump's former bodyguard) is receiving $15,000/month from the RNC; which might be hush money as Schiller was providing security for Trump at the Miss Universe contest in Moscow when Putin allegedly obtained the Pee Pee Tape in the Ritz-Carlton Hotel:

Title: "Omarosa Manigault Says She Refused Hush Money After Leaving Trump’s White House"

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/08/omarosa-manigault-says-she-refused-hush-money-afte.html#

Extract: "First, ace Washington Post White House reporter Josh Dawsey confirmed some claims she made in her upcoming book, Unhinged: An Insider’s Account of the Trump White House. The Daily Beast reported earlier this week that Manigault secretly taped some conversations she had in the White House. Dawsey listened to those tapes, and he reported that they match quotes that Omarosa includes in her book. Dawsey went on to describe Omarosa’s unverified contention that she was offered $15,000 per month to stay quiet …

The other piece of evidence buttressing Omarosa’s claim is that there is a former Trump administration official currently making $15,000 per month who is not speaking to the media. Per Christina Wilkie at CNBC back in February:

When President Donald Trump’s longtime bodyguard Keith Schiller decided to leave his White House job last fall, many in the West Wing wondered how the president would manage without his personal security chief-turned-confidant, who had been working for Trump nearly 20 years.

As it turns out, Schiller didn’t go very far. Within weeks of leaving his job as director of Oval Office operations, Schiller’s private security firm, KS Global Group, began collecting $15,000 a month for “security services” from the Republican National Committee.

According to an RNC official, Schiller is being paid for security consulting on the site selection process for the 2020 Republican National Convention. Schiller’s fee comes out of the RNC’s convention fund, not its campaign fund, the official noted."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 13, 2018, 06:15:07 PM
More then likely the Mueller hammer is about to come-down on Stone.  It will be interesting to see whether he flips to save his own skin:

Title: "Is Roger Stone Mueller's next target?"

https://mic.com/articles/190704/this-week-in-trump-russia-news-is-roger-stone-muellers-next-target

Extract: "Stone has long been under the microscope in the Russia investigation.

He has already admitted to communicating with Guccifer 2.0, a fictitious online persona through which documents stolen from the Hillary Clinton campaign and Democratic Party were disseminated in 2016.

He has also apparently claimed to have been briefed by Julian Assange on stolen Clinton and Democratic Party documents WikiLeaks had obtained before the group made them public.


But he’s appeared to be under even more scrutiny since Mueller indicted a dozen Russians last month over the Kremlin’s election meddling.

The July indictment made reference to an unnamed person who had been in contact with both the Russians and top Trump campaign officials — someone Stone said is “probably” him.

That indictment also contained a reference to an organization that released some documents stolen by the Russians, which is believed to be a reference to WikiLeaks, with whom Stone and others in Trump’s orbit were reportedly in contact.

The special counsel seems to be closely examining Stone as part of the investigation."
     
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on August 13, 2018, 06:18:12 PM
And conman Stone loves every second of it.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 13, 2018, 07:42:14 PM
Per the linked article Trump's legal team now insists that Trump never had a conversation with Comey that Comey should go easy on Flynn; however, previously Giuliani conceded that this conversation did occur.  Should Trump eventually refuse to sit down for an interview with Mueller; then Mueller could use Giuliani's flip-flop of positions on this conversation about Flynn as justification for a subpoena to force Trump to clarify this matter:

Title: "Giuliani: Mueller could have decision on Trump interview this week"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/13/rudy-giuliani-trump-mueller-interview-decision-774872

Extract: "Giuliani has at times suggested he would advise the president against sitting down with Mueller, warning that such an interview could be a "perjury trap."The former New York mayor also has indicated that Trump would not answer questions related to obstruction of justice, although he told POLITICO last week that questions on obstruction of justice are still on the table, but only if Mueller “can demonstrate to us he’s got a couple questions on obstruction that he doesn’t have the answer to, that he really needs the answer to and he hasn’t made up his mind that Trump is lying.”

In his Fox News interview Monday morning, Giuliani outlined the three-pronged defense that the president's legal team would use against obstruction allegations: that the conversation Comey has claimed never actually occurred — even though Giuliani previously conceded that it did — but also that the statement Comey claims Trump made would have been a recommendation, not an order, and that even if it was an order, it would not constitute obstruction because it would have been within Trump's authority as the head of the executive branch."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 13, 2018, 07:54:57 PM
FBI agent Peter Strzok, who became a central figure in controversy surrounding investigations into alleged Russian meddling and Hillary Clinton’s private email server, has been fired, his attorney has said.

Attached is a statement by Strzok's lawyer indicating that the FBI did not follow their own standard procedures when firing Strzok against the recommendation of the career FBI official responsible for employee discipline and against the Congressional testimony of FBI Director Wray.  This strongly suggests that the Administration's firing of Strzok is yet another example of witness tampering, by trying to discredit the credibility of a likely witness for the Mueller investigation.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on August 13, 2018, 11:01:36 PM
That lawyer statement is full of Scheiße, as they say over here. Intelligence agencies should be as a-political as possible. There are enough idiots who think they're on a team as it is.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on August 13, 2018, 11:11:05 PM
Leaks like a sieve

Mueller hasn't been leaking.  He's run a very tight ship.
Heard this "sieve" thing before. From which disinfo/propaganda channel is it parroted?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on August 13, 2018, 11:17:10 PM
That lawyer statement is full of Scheiße, as they say over here. Intelligence agencies should be as a-political as possible. There are enough idiots who think they're on a team as it is.
The last sentence, perhaps, yes. Of course, as an implicit Trumputin backer you hate Strzok. But from his congressional testimony it became quite clear that this was a first class public servant - not the figure concocted by Trumputin propaganda channels.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 13, 2018, 11:20:02 PM
That lawyer statement is full of Scheiße, as they say over here. Intelligence agencies should be as a-political as possible. There are enough idiots who think they're on a team as it is.
The fact that Strzok's GoFundMe account raised $35,000 within five hours, means that many U.S. citizens believe that Strzok's legal defense has merit:

Title: "Peter Strzok's GoFundMe seeks $150K to cover legal costs"

https://www.axios.com/peter-strzok-gofundme-fbi-firing-baaa52e1-2f54-42fc-896c-7f8c4f194782.html

Extract: "Three days after being fired from the FBI, "friends" of former agent Peter Strzok launched a GoFundMe account seeking $150,000 to offset "Pete’s hefty – and growing – legal costs and his lost income." The account raised more than $35,000 in the first five hours."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on August 13, 2018, 11:27:19 PM
Of course, as a Trumputin backer you hate Strzok. But from his congressional testimony it became quite clear that this was a first class public servant - not the figure concocted by Trumputin propaganda.

Only because I don't blindly support your heroes and your team, doesn't mean I'm a Trumputin backer. First class public servants (according to their lawyers) don't text like he has done. I don't hate Strzok. I just think that people like that shouldn't be let near this type of investigations. That way they don't get fired either (although I'm sure he'll get a nice job somewhere).

Denying all of this because you're on a team, only makes Trump stronger. It's an own goal, and you get constricted in the netting. Free yourself.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on August 13, 2018, 11:29:12 PM
The fact that Strzok's GoFundMe account raised $35,000 within five hours, means that many U.S. citizens believe that Strzok's legal defense has merit:

No, they're like those Republicans wearing 'I Love Russia' shirts.

This is so incredibly stupid. And that's coming from a dumb guy.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on August 13, 2018, 11:37:00 PM
First class public servants (according to their lawyers)
Nope, according to me. I have watched quite a bit of his testimony.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 13, 2018, 11:38:08 PM
Team Mueller constricts their net around Manafort, as they prepare to rest their case:

Title: "Manafort trial Day 10: Trump-aligned bank CEO intervened for Manafort, witness says"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/13/paul-manafort-trial-day-10-updates-776093

Extract: "A Chicago bank CEO who was seeking a top job in the Trump administration overrode the objections of the bank's president in order to green light a $9.5 million loan for Paul Manafort in the midst of the 2016 presidential campaign, a bank executive testified Monday."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 14, 2018, 12:12:07 AM
If Omarosa can back-up such claims, then it puts both The Donald and Donald Jr. in a bad light:

Title: "Omarosa claims president called Trump Jr. a 'f--- up' for releasing Trump Tower emails"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/401634-omarosa-book-trump-called-trump-jr-a-f-k-up-for-releasing-trump-tower

Extract: "Former White House aide Omarosa Manigault Newman claims in her upcoming book that President Trump referred to his eldest son as a “f--- up” for releasing emails about the 2016 Trump Tower campaign meeting with a Russian lawyer with connections to the Kremlin.

“He is such a f--- up,” the president allegedly said, according to Manigault Newman, after he saw his son had posted screenshots of emails setting up the meeting. “He screwed up again, but this time, he’s screwing us all, big-time!”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 14, 2018, 03:10:28 AM
The fact that Strzok's GoFundMe account raised $35,000 within five hours, means that many U.S. citizens believe that Strzok's legal defense has merit:

No, they're like those Republicans wearing 'I Love Russia' shirts.

This is so incredibly stupid. And that's coming from a dumb guy.
At least Slate news believes that firing Strzok sets a dangerous precedent for the abuse of political power:

Title: "Strzok Shock"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/peter-strzoks-firing-sets-a-dangerous-precedent-for-the-abuse-of-power.html

Extract: "The FBI agent’s firing sets a dangerous precedent for the abuse of power.
...
However, there is also strong evidence that Strzok’s personal views did not affect his professional conduct and even more compelling evidence that they did not sway the actions of the bureau as a whole. And while some of Strzok’s text messages do sound damning when taken out of context, the overall exchange makes it amply evident that he was not proposing some deep state plot to undermine Trump’s candidacy. As the inspector general’s report concluded, “we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that improper considerations, including political bias, directly affected the specific investigative decisions we reviewed.”

But the minutiae of Strzok’s conduct are ultimately a distraction. The most important question right now is not “Were Strzok’s failings sufficiently grievous for him to get fired?” It is, rather: “Did he get fired because of his failings—or did the FBI buckle under the enormous pressure exerted by Donald Trump?”

That question is, unfortunately, far easier to answer. Testifying in front of Congress in June, the director of the FBI, Christopher Wray, promised that the investigation into Strzok would be “done by the book.” But that is emphatically not what happened. The bureau’s Office of Professional Responsibility merely recommended that Strzok be demoted and suspended for 60 days. But it was then overruled by David Bowdich, the deputy director of the FBI As Bradley Moss, a leading national security lawyer, has pointed out, that step was “highly unusual. Maybe legal but definitely not standard practice.

And this is why the crux of this complicated saga is actually pretty straightforward. Strzok stood accused of undermining public trust in the independence of the FBI through his carelessness. This is indeed a significant offense, one that liberals and conservatives alike should take very seriously. But by caving to a massive campaign of vilification by the president, and publicly violating Wray’s promise that the investigation into Strzok would be done by the book, the bureau’s leadership has undermined that trust in a much more public, deliberate, and grievous manner than the man they scapegoated ever did.”
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on August 14, 2018, 03:17:27 AM
I just think that people like that shouldn't be let near this type of investigations.
Old Fox News / Trumputin narrative, almost verbatim...

He got fired at Trump's behest. I bet he will sue and get his job back.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: wili on August 14, 2018, 07:30:18 AM
Yeah, by 'people like that' do you mean the majority of Americans who were and are freaked out about the prospects of a Trump presidency and expressed those concerns to anyone ever?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on August 14, 2018, 08:37:26 AM
Yeah, by 'people like that' do you mean the majority of Americans who were and are freaked out about the prospects of a Trump presidency and expressed those concerns to anyone ever?

Yes, because if they can't keep a cool head in such a position, or at least be smart enough not to write texts such as those to their mistress, they shouldn't be part of any investigation, let alone head it. Because if all that shit comes out, the fascist in charge only becomes stronger.

Never mind the principle that unelected government officials, or the intelligence community as a whole, shouldn't be able to have such political power. Especially if it's actually all about money.

'Pete' will be fine. I'm sure he'll make a great consultant or lobbyist. Or maybe he'll write a book!

It's the American people we should be worried about. The Trumpers and anti-Trumpers will be happy to shred them to pieces if it serves their interests. I say fight them both, instead of being misled into thinking you have to choose. Fight them both. Free yourself.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 14, 2018, 08:54:35 AM
I see that neven has replied. But let me add my two cents.

To me, a proper course of action if one were "freaked out by the prospect of a Trump Presidency" while serving in a senior position on two major investigations, both intertwined with the Trump election might be something like this:

If you are genuinely conflicted, remove yourself from the investigations. Report your position to your boss.

If you firmly believe that you can really let your freaked outness not affect your analyses , do as Ken White at popehat often points out, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, and finally, shut up. Definitely do not use FBI controlled cellfone to text about your freaked outness to your partner in adultery.

That Strzok did the last, in my view, reveals immaturity and serious lack of judgement. That the FBI lets people like Strzok and Page and DOJ let Ohr wind up at very senior positions exposes the decay of institutional judgement.

All the players seem to be more incompetent than evil.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: wili on August 14, 2018, 10:07:29 AM
I would be much more worried about the people who weren't audibly freaked out about a Trump presidency, but I suppose ymmv.

And the fund is now at about $200,000 apparently.

(Not that I would ever be one to contribute, lol)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on August 14, 2018, 10:25:04 AM
I would be much more worried about the people who weren't audibly freaked out about a Trump presidency, but I suppose ymmv.

Yes, mmmv. In some positions of responsibility people shouldn't freak out, and certainly not act on it (which freaked out people inevitably do). Especially if you're part of an institution that is expected to act a certain way, like not picking political sides and undermining elected officials, however repugnant they are.

Wili, think about it, what will happen if Trump is successfully removed from office before his term ends? What will happen in the years after that? Wouldn't it be much smarter and wiser to beat him at the ballot box with authentic ideas that actually help the American people (livable wage, free college, single payer healthcare, ending the wars, etc)?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Neven on August 14, 2018, 10:32:57 AM
I say fight them both, instead of being misled into thinking you have to choose. Fight them both. Free yourself.

They do not get it Neven. Cannot see it, do not want to hear it from you or anyone else.

We all have our blind spots. Keep your cool, or at least keep your keyboard cool as much as you can. Our discussion here is continued in all of our heads, consciously and subconsciously, over a much longer period. It's the only way collective consciousness moves forward, at a very slow pace.

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How did the gardening go this summer? :)

I'll report some time soon in the appropriate thread, but our goal is to do better than the previous year. We (or my wife, mostly) did better than last year. Not ready for graduation yet, but getting there. I'm almost done reading the One-Straw Revolution (http://www.onestrawrevolution.net/One_Straw_Revolution/One-Straw_Revolution.html) by Masanobu Fukuoka. I keep thinking about this Forum while reading it. Fascinating little book.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: wili on August 14, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
"not picking political sides and undermining elected officials, however repugnant they are"

Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see any credible evidence that he was actually undermining any elected or even note-yet-elected officials.

He was expressing very reasonable concern to an intimate.

I think we should all have a right to do this.

His mistake was to do so over email that was not secure. He was properly punished for this relatively minor oversight already.

As to Trump, I think we have to fight and discredit him with every means at our disposal, and cheer on those doing the same. This is how tyrants have been taken down in the past. We can no longer be sure of what can be accomplished at the ballot box, since the security of that system seems to have been compromised.

But I am in fact going to the ballot in a few minutes to vote for the most liberal folks I can find, including Ilhan Omar, Keith Ellison (both family friends...and sorry, I'm not giving up a stalwart voice of sanity this time for one unsubstantiated accusation), and Erin Murphy.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 14, 2018, 04:16:55 PM

Wili, think about it, what will happen if Trump is successfully removed from office before his term ends? What will happen in the years after that? Wouldn't it be much smarter and wiser to beat him at the ballot box with authentic ideas that actually help the American people (livable wage, free college, single payer healthcare, ending the wars, etc)?

It's not either/or.  Trump is himself deeply corrupt and destructive.  And his administration is doggedly pursing destructive policies. 

Removing Trump before the end of his term is a worthy goal, but wildly improbable.  Removal requires a 2/3 majority in the Senate.  Republicans will still hold half the votes (+/- a couple).  So far, the influence of uber-wealthy donors have kept them supporting Trump.  I don't see this changing.

Nevertheless, the investigations have been useful in showing the public just how corrupt and illegitimate this administration is. 

Public interest in the investigations and prosecutions isn't a distraction from policy issues, it pulls public attention into the realm of politics.  Otherwise, people would just be watching reality TV shows and sports events or playing video games.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on August 14, 2018, 04:25:36 PM
"not picking political sides and undermining elected officials, however repugnant they are"

Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see any credible evidence that he was actually undermining any elected or even note-yet-elected officials.

He was expressing very reasonable concern to an intimate.

I think we should all have a right to do this.

His mistake was to do so over email that was not secure. He was properly punished for this relatively minor oversight already.
Exactly!
+1

Nevertheless, the investigations have been useful in showing the public just how corrupt and illegitimate this administration is. 

Public interest in the investigations and prosecutions isn't a distraction from policy issues, it pulls public attention into the realm of politics.  Otherwise, people would just be watching reality TV shows and sports events or playing video games.
+1
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 14, 2018, 04:56:02 PM
At least Slate news believes that firing Strzok sets a dangerous precedent for the abuse of political power:

There must be at least ten thousand dangerous precedents already set in the U.S. political system that should tell you the abuse of power has been a problem for decades and decades and then some. Wake up.

Comey's several weeks of watering down the conclusions and facts in his PRESENTATION of the Clinton investigation summary is surely another one of those dangerous precedents.  He too operated outside standard FBI  procedures and he was a "Republican" supposedly.

Hey but that's ok because Clinton isn't Trump or Putin or Wikileaks is she? Seriously fix the myopic BIAS and DENIAL.

The law deals with each situation based on its own merit (not based on 'Whataboutisms').  This is the Mueller Investigation (& Cohen Investigation) thread, and I believe that the firing of Strzok is another example of Trump Administration witness tampering for Mueller's Investigation, and is a continuation of all the other FBI tampered witnesses cited in the attached image.

Even Bobby Goodlatte acknowledges that his own father is part of the GOP's abuse of power in order to protect a corrupt Trump Administration, so that the GOP can maintain control:
 
Title: "After endorsing Democrat, Goodlatte's son rips into his father's 'grandstanding' on FBI agent"

https://www.newsleader.com/story/news/local/2018/08/14/after-endorsing-democrat-bobby-goodlatte-rips-into-his-fathers-grandstanding-peter-strzok/984823002/

Extract: "The son of a powerful Republican congressman lambasted his father on Twitter on Monday for "ruining" the career of a recently fired FBI agent who had sent anti-Trump text messages during the Russia investigation."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 14, 2018, 06:54:24 PM
Trump obstructs justice with yet another tweet against Sessions, Mueller and Strzok:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/14/trump-unloads-on-fbi-robert-mueller-jeff-sessions-peter-strzok.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 14, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
Trump's a right dick. This doesn't mean that everywhere there is all this criminal activity going on including witness tampering every time someone at arms distance to the trump investigation gets the sack - seriously. Maybe they should have done that to him a decade ago and he survived. You have NO IDEA what his track record has been like and neither do the media .. and they sure cannot be trusted to know or present material without extreme bias anyway.

Eventually, we will all see whether Mueller cites Team Trump for criminal witness tampering and/or obstruction of justice for firing any FBI member involved in the early stages of his investigation.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 14, 2018, 09:52:36 PM
I don't think that the Trump Campaign's NDA with Omarosa will protect them from the Mueller Investigation:

Title: "Omarosa: 'I have' been interviewed by Mueller"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/14/omarosa-robert-mueller-interview-777338

Extract: "Manigault Newman would not say whether she has appeared before a grand jury in Mueller's investigation into the 2016 election, but she did say the special counsel's team interviewed her.

"There is a lot of corruption that went on both in the campaign and the White House. I am going to blow the whistle on all of it. I am very interested in exposing what was happening behind the scenes," Manigault Newman told MSNBC host Katy Tur.

The staffers allegedly featured on the tape, Katrina Pierson and Lynne Patton, denied Maniagult Newman's allegations on Tuesday and said the rumored "N-word tape" does not exist. Later in the day Tuesday, Trump's campaign filed for arbitration against Manigault Newman as her accusations escalated."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 14, 2018, 09:56:55 PM
Politico also believes that the Trump Administration is politicizing the FBI:

Title: "Trump’s Purge of the FBI Is Complete"

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/peter-strzok-fired-donald-trump-fbi-219355

Extract: "With the odd firing of Peter Strzok, the president has cleansed the bureau of the men who started the Russia investigation. This is not normal.
...
To be clear: No legal restriction likely prevented Deputy Director Bowdich from directly intervening. After all, Strzok was effectively an “at-will” employee. What is concerning here is the continuous and repeated appearance of political considerations seeping into the traditionally apolitical disciplinary process at the FBI. President Trump made no bones about his distaste for Agent Strzok, just as he similarly publicly criticized Director Comey and Director McCabe prior to their terminations. All three men played or were still playing a role in the investigation into the president’s campaign before they were fired.

With the firing of Peter Strzok, the president’s purge of senior FBI leadership who helped launch that investigation is now complete. For those wondering whether Trump would allow the bureau to do its job without political interference from the White House, I think we have our answer."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 14, 2018, 10:19:56 PM
As the U.K. has an extradition treaty with the U.S., it may not be too many more weeks before Mueller gets his hands on Julian Assange:

Title: "Ecuador may be close to ejecting WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange from its London embassy"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/07/21/julian-assange-ecuador-london-embassy/812335002/

Extract: "Ecuador appears to be finalizing plans to withdraw its asylum protection for Wikileaks founder Julian Assange as early as next week, eject him from its London embassy and turn him over to British authorities, according to media reports."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 15, 2018, 03:01:59 AM
I imagine that Mueller is already following this trail of bread crumbs:

Title: "Handler of alleged spy Butina tied to suspicious U.S.-Russia exchange program"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/14/russia-americans-putin-torshin-776237

Extract: "Russian politician Alexander Torshin’s meetings with American students, coupled with his role managing alleged covert Russian agent Mariia Butina, suggest he may be a more important Kremlin operative than previously known."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on August 15, 2018, 06:11:54 AM
The defense rested its case Tuesday morning in the trial against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort without calling any witnesses,

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/politics/paul-manafort-trial-robert-mueller-day-11/index.html

I have a bad feeling about this trial.

If Trump has inserted only ONE juror who will maintain innocence no matter what, it's going to be a hung jury, which will be a mis-trial.

We will soon find out if the American Justice system still functions as intended by the Founding Fathers under a Trump administration.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 15, 2018, 07:01:49 AM

I have a bad feeling about this trial.

If Trump has inserted only ONE juror who will maintain innocence no matter what, it's going to be a hung jury, which will be a mis-trial.

We will soon find out if the American Justice system still functions as intended by the Founding Fathers under a Trump administration.

A hung jury is possible, but I think unlikely.  The evidence is strong; the case would be tried again.
Regardless of this trial, Manafort will promptly be facing a separate trial. 
In all, I think a conviction and long sentence is the probable outcome in the end.

But then, Trump may pardon Manafort.  This won't help Trump directly, because Manafort then may not be able to invoke 5th amendment rights in front of a Grand Jury.  However, it would signal to potential witnesses against Trump that they will be rewarded for refusing to cooperate with Mueller.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 15, 2018, 04:59:42 PM
As the Senate Intelligence Committee is coordinating with the Mueller Investigation, this article indicates that Trump's Treasury Department is working to obstruct justice:

Title: "Senate Intel Wants To Follow The Money In The Russia Probe. But Treasury Isn't Making That Easy."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmaloop/senate-intel-wants-to-follow-the-money-in-the-russia-probe

Extract: "Last year, staff inside Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network questioned whether the department was deliberately trying to stymie the Senate’s investigation."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 15, 2018, 05:34:10 PM
For those who hope that the Mueller Investigation will be shutdown sooner rather than later, don't hold your breath:

Title: "Mueller Probe Seen Pushing Past Trump-Demanded September 1 Deadline"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-15/mueller-probe-seen-pushing-past-trump-demanded-sept-1-deadline

Extract: "Special Counsel Robert Mueller doesn’t have to shut down his Russia investigation in the weeks before November’s congressional elections despite claims by President Donald Trump’s lawyers that he faces a Sept. 1 deadline, according to current and former U.S. officials.
Mueller can continue his closed-door inquiries, and even issue new indictments up to and after the Nov. 6 voting, without violating a Justice Department policy against actions intended “for the purpose of affecting any election,” they said, asking not to be identified discussing investigative matters.
That’s at odds with repeated assertions by Trump’s lawyers. “If it isn’t over by September, then we have a very, very serious violation of the Justice Department rules, and he shouldn’t be conducting one of these investigations in the 60-day period," former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said on Fox News last week.

“It’s an absurdity to think that Mueller has to shut down in the coming weeks because of the mid-term elections," said Jeffrey Cramer, a former federal prosecutor. “There is no legal impediment to Mueller continuing his work as we get closer to the election.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 15, 2018, 07:34:18 PM
We will see soon enough whether there is fire associated with all of the smoke blowing around Kushner's name:

Title: "Jared Kushner’s name was just brought up at Paul Manafort’s trial"

https://www.salon.com/2018/08/15/jared-kushners-name-was-just-brought-up-at-paul-manaforts-trial/

Extract: "Kushner is reported to have told Manafort that he was "on it" after the former campaign manager asked him to consider appointing a banker friend to a high-ranking government post, according to ABC News. According to the exhibit submitted before the court as evidence on Monday, Manafort had sent an email to Kushner in November 2016 — not only after the election but months after Manafort had been pressured into stepping down from the campaign — asking that Stephen Calk, the CEO and founder of Federal Savings Bank, be considered for the position of Secretary of the Army."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 15, 2018, 09:36:13 PM
Trump, 'Methinks thou dost protest too much', when you call the Mueller Investigation an '… illegal Rigged Witch Hunt …".  A man with nothing to hide would not resort to such a display of histrionics, nor would he engage in a campaign to denigrate the reputations of key witnesses in the subject investion:

Title: "Trump Blames Attorney General, Fired FBI Agent for Russia Probe"

https://www.voanews.com/a/trump-blames-attorney-general-fired-fbi-agent-for-investigation-of-his-2016-campaign/4528079.html

Extract: "U.S. President Donald Trump unleashed new attacks Tuesday on Attorney General Jeff Sessions and fired FBI agent Peter Strzok, blaming them for the investigation of Russian links to his 2016 U.S. presidential campaign that has consumed his presidency.

He added, "Strzok started the illegal Rigged Witch Hunt - why isn’t this so-called 'probe' ended immediately? Why aren’t these angry and conflicted Democrats instead looking at Crooked Hillary?"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 15, 2018, 09:59:27 PM
As Donald Trump believes that he is getting away with tarnishing the reputations of key witnesses in his own investigation; he appears to be doubling-down by considering revoking the security clearances for such individuals as: Bruce Ohr (who is still a federal employee), Sally Yates, James Comey, Andrew McCabe and others.  Mueller will need to decide how much of this constitutes witness tampering:

Title: "Trump revokes John Brennan's security clearance"

https://www.axios.com/john-brennan-security-clearance-revoked-trump-a0f87a94-d7d0-481a-a5d7-4e1a30b13119.html

Extract: "Sanders said that Trump was using his "constitutional authority" as president to revoke Brennan's clearance — something that has never been done before, according to Lawfare. Trump is also "evaluating action" regarding the current and former clearances of several other former intelligence and law enforcement officials like James Comey, James Clapper, Michael Hayden, Sally Yates, Susan Rice, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr."

Edit:  The attached tweet by Trump is direct evidence of witness tampering.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jacksmith4tx on August 15, 2018, 10:18:50 PM
Squirrel!

RE: "Trump revokes John Brennan's security clearance"

Trump signed this on July 26th.. Why release it now? What else has he already signed but hasn't made public?

What happened to the other branches of Government? Fear, Silence, Submission...
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 15, 2018, 10:25:58 PM
By threatening Bruce Ohr's security clearance (which he needs to perform his job), Trump is illegally tampering with Ohr's up-coming testimony before the House Judiciary and House Oversight and Government Reform committees:

Title: "House GOP prepares to grill DOJ official linked to Steele dossier"

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/401875-house-gop-gears-up-for-bruce-ohr-interview

Extract: "House Republicans are gearing up for a closed-door interview with Department of Justice (DOJ) official Bruce Ohr, which is slated to take place later this month.

Ohr, who served as the department’s associate deputy attorney general and now currently works in the criminal division, is the latest target among House conservatives who claim there is ample evidence of bias against President Trump in the DOJ and FBI during the 2016 election."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 16, 2018, 03:34:45 AM
A man with nothing to hide would not resort to such a display of histrionics,

Like hell they wouldn't. Because that is an outright LIE and a complete DISTORTION of what actually happens in the real world.

Lurk,

You might want to consider changing your moniker to: 'Whataboutism'
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 16, 2018, 04:18:56 AM
A man with nothing to hide would not resort to such a display of histrionics,

Like hell they wouldn't. Because that is an outright LIE and a complete DISTORTION of what actually happens in the real world.

Did MLK . . .
Did Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson  . . .
Did Michael Jackson, his lawyers, his family and friends . . .

I don't think any of these individuals resorted to a display of histrionics.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on August 16, 2018, 07:49:48 AM
In one sentence, Devin Nunes proved his critics right

There’s one sentence in the audio recording obtained by MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow of Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) that, by itself, significantly undercuts any claims that he’s approaching investigations into President Trump with objectivity.

“If Sessions won’t unrecuse and Mueller won’t clear the president,” Nunes told the audience, “we’re the only ones, which is really the danger.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/09/in-one-sentence-devin-nunes-proved-his-critics-right/?utm_term=.662d29c8dc5c

Nunes’s comments operated from the assumption that clearing Trump was the important thing to do. If that’s the case, if Trump being absolved of guilt is the most critical part of this entire process, then Nunes is largely right: The partisan Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee might be the only group willing to overtly put that goal above all others.

No matter the truth.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 16, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
This is a clear admission by Trump of obstruction of justice in the Mueller Investigation.  Evidently, Trump believes that anyone who criticizes him is guilty until proven innocent, and that he is free to abuse his power as President to punish such individuals without a hearing or trail:

Title: "Trump cites Russia probe as a reason for revoking former CIA chief John Brennan's security clearance"

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/16/trump-cites-russia-probe-as-reason-for-revoking-john-brennan-clearance.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 16, 2018, 05:26:32 PM
While Mueller may be prohibited from talking about what evidence he has of collusion/conspiracy; Brennan is under no such constraints:

Title: "John Brennan: Trump's denial of collusion is "hogwash""

https://www.axios.com/john-brennan-security-clearance-response-trump-839cb512-32cf-4ad6-9a18-59ac43be27e1.html

Extract:
"More from Brennan's NYT op-ed:

•   "Mr. Trump’s claims of no collusion are, in a word, hogwash."
   
•   "The only questions that remain are whether the collusion that took place constituted criminally liable conspiracy, whether obstruction of justice occurred to cover up any collusion or conspiracy, and how many members of 'Trump Incorporated' attempted to defraud the government by laundering and concealing the movement of money into their pockets."
   
•   "Mr. Trump clearly has become more desperate to protect himself and those close to him, which is why he made the politically motivated decision to revoke my security clearance in an attempt to scare into silence others who might dare to challenge him.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 16, 2018, 07:45:32 PM
I agree with the linked op/ed that Mueller should indict Trump for obstruction of justice (subject to Rosenstein's approval) by September 15, 2018, due to the 'extraordinary circumstances' of Trump's continuing assault on the Mueller Investigation:

Title: "Mueller should indict Trump for obstruction before the midterms"

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/402106-mueller-should-indict-trump-for-obstruction-before-the-midterms

Extract: "With the Russian attack against the American midterm elections continuing aggressively and President Trump’s attack against the investigations of the Russian crime becoming frenzied and extreme, all Americans should focus intensely at this dangerous moment.

Special counsel Robert Mueller, under the authority of the regulations that govern special counsels, should indict President Trump for obstruction of justice. This indictment should occur before Sept. 15, ahead of the midterm elections.

It is true that Justice Department policy is that a president cannot be indicted for a criminal offense. It is equally true that under rules governing special counsels, Mueller could assert that in the Trump case, there are “extraordinary circumstances” and an indictment is warranted."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 16, 2018, 08:07:39 PM
Team Rudy is preparing a legal defense that indicates that as a DOJ memo indicates that a sitting President cannot be indicted (except under 'extraordinary circumstances') that the President also cannot be subpoenaed.  If Team Rudy's reading of the 'writing on the wall' is correct, then this matter may well require a U.S. Supreme Court ruling in order to settle:

Title: "Rudy Giuliani reveals how Trump's legal team plans to fight a Mueller subpoena all the way up to the Supreme Court"

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-trump-legal-team-will-fight-mueller-subpoena-2018-8

Extract: "He added that Trump's lawyers are ready to fight the subpoena "before the Supreme Court, if it ever got there."

In his exchange with Business Insider, Giuliani said Trump team's would cite Article II of the Constitution — which established the executive branch and its powers — and a 2000 memo authored by the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel following President Bill Clinton's scandal. This states that while the Constitution does not give the president immunity from prosecution, the president cannot be indicted.

"We are talking about a protection not for records but as against a personal appearance," Giuliani said. "It has never been carried to conclusion and therefore the Supreme Court has no decision on point. We think there is a good chance the [Supreme] Court would recognize at least a qualified privilege and then [Mueller's team] would have to show need" for the sit-down with Trump."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 16, 2018, 08:20:22 PM
I agree with the linked op/ed that Mueller should indict Trump for obstruction of justice (subject to Rosenstein's approval) by September 15, 2018, due to the 'extraordinary circumstances' of Trump's continuing assault on the Mueller Investigation:

Title: "Mueller should indict Trump for obstruction before the midterms"

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/402106-mueller-should-indict-trump-for-obstruction-before-the-midterms


  I concur with AbruptSLR's concurrence with the editorial by Brent Budowsky.  EXCEPT that the matter of Trump testifying to the Grand Jury is a matter currently in play.  I think it may be important to have him testify, even if complying might require intervention by the Supreme Court, a process that may take some months.  Such testimony should almost certainly precede any associated indictment.

Unlike prior investigations into the President, Mueller's work is as a Special Counsel, not as an "independent counsel".  The relevant statute for appointing independent counsel has expired.  A Special Counsel is vulnerable to administrative attack by the White House, a independent counsel is not.

Here’s Why Trump Can Fire Robert Mueller: The Law That Would’ve Stopped Him Expired In 1999
https://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/heres-why-trump-can-fire-robert-mueller-law-wouldve-stopped-him-expired-1999 (https://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/heres-why-trump-can-fire-robert-mueller-law-wouldve-stopped-him-expired-1999)

Possibly after the primaries are over, the Republicans in Congress might have just enough spine to permit passage of a renewal of this law, maybe even over a presidential veto.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 16, 2018, 08:59:05 PM
Solomon at thehill on notes from Ohr-Simpson meeting:

"Congressional investigators now are scouring them for evidence ..."

"Simpson’s account that he asked Steele to talk with Mother Jones reporter David Corn about their muckraking on Trump and Russia in the final days of the election. At the time, Steele still worked as an FBI source."


"most of what Simpson allegedly told Ohr was not from Moscow — where the alleged plot was supposed to be based — but from a reported Russian in the United States who later seemed to disappear, according to Ohr’s notes."

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/401185-the-handwritten-notes-exposing-what-fusion-gps-told-doj-about-trump

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 16, 2018, 10:00:26 PM
  I concur with AbruptSLR's concurrence with the editorial by Brent Budowsky.  EXCEPT that the matter of Trump testifying to the Grand Jury is a matter currently in play.  I think it may be important to have him testify, even if complying might require intervention by the Supreme Court, a process that may take some months.  Such testimony should almost certainly precede any associated indictment.

Unlike prior investigations into the President, Mueller's work is as a Special Counsel, not as an "independent counsel".  The relevant statute for appointing independent counsel has expired.  A Special Counsel is vulnerable to administrative attack by the White House, a independent counsel is not.

Here’s Why Trump Can Fire Robert Mueller: The Law That Would’ve Stopped Him Expired In 1999
https://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/heres-why-trump-can-fire-robert-mueller-law-wouldve-stopped-him-expired-1999 (https://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/heres-why-trump-can-fire-robert-mueller-law-wouldve-stopped-him-expired-1999)

Possibly after the primaries are over, the Republicans in Congress might have just enough spine to permit passage of a renewal of this law, maybe even over a presidential veto.

While I am by no means a constitutional expert, the linked Slate article makes the case that it is legal for a special counsel to prosecute a Sitting President under today's 'extraordinary circumstances':

Title: "The Legal Case for Prosecuting a Sitting President"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/how-robert-mueller-might-be-able-to-prosecute-donald-trump-in-office.html

Extract: "The regulations allow Mueller, in “extraordinary circumstances,” to ask Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, as the Justice Department official supervising the investigation, to approve a departure from any departmental policy. The regulations favor granting such a request—the attorney general’s supplementary information appended to the regulations require “great weight” to be given to the views of the special counsel—unless Rosenstein determines that prosecution would be “so inappropriate or unwarranted” that it should not be pursued.

A careful reading of the 39-page legal memorandum supporting the 2000 OLC opinion yields the surprising conclusion that, in the current political climate, there are extraordinary circumstances that warrant an exception to the policy of presidential immunity. The logic of the memorandum’s own reasoning supports the conclusion that the Constitution permits prosecution of a sitting president when the impeachment process no longer provides an effective means for upholding the rule of law.

In short, prosecution of a sitting president is permissible, according to the memorandum’s own reasoning, when impeachment becomes an ineffective means of holding him accountable.

When can the impeachment process be regarded as ineffective? An objective and ascertainable standard can be found in a test that would make the impeachment process ineffective if, despite the availability of sufficient evidence for the Senate to convict, the House declined to even initiate an impeachment inquiry. There is already sufficient evidence in the public record for the Senate, sitting as a jury, to find the president guilty of attempting to obstruct justice. Alex Whiting, in a March 2018 analysis of the case against the president for Just Security, concluded that the known facts are “sufficient to convince a jury” that by firing then–FBI Director James Comey, Trump attempted to obstruct justice in violation of Section 1512(c)(2) of Title 18 of the United States Code. The failure of the Republican majority on the House Judiciary Committee to respond to any of the repeated requests by Democrats to hold the president accountable signifies an unwillingness, rather than an inability, to begin impeachment hearings based purely on partisan considerations, and not the insufficiency of the evidence against the president.

Even if Democrats were to take control of the House in November’s midterm elections and vote for articles of impeachment, the prospect of obtaining the two-thirds majority required to convict in the Senate is so unlikely in this era of hyperpartisan polarization that, barring disclosure by Mueller of evidence of egregious criminal conduct, removing Trump from office can be fairly characterized as very near impossible. Under these circumstances, there is no way to enforce the national interest in upholding the rule of law unless the president is held accountable by prosecution before he leaves office.

There is a popular assumption that it is perfectly normal for impeachment, being a political process, to turn into a no-holds-barred partisan fight, with members of Congress voting along party lines, rather than deciding the merits of the case. But this is not how the Framers of the Constitution viewed the impeachment process. The great danger inherent in any effort to remove the president from office, Alexander Hamilton observed in “Federalist No. 65,” is that “the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of the parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.” The Senate was thought by the Framers to be “the most fit depositary” for the decision about guilt or innocence after the House of Representatives, acting as prosecutor, voted articles of impeachment, because the Senate was regarded as the body most likely “to preserve, unawed and uninfluenced, the necessary impartiality.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 16, 2018, 11:44:46 PM
It seems to me that Mueller should investigate whether RNC payments to Keith Schiller constitutes hush-money payments (e.g. possibly to keep quiet about Trump's activities at the 2013 Miss Universe contest in Moscow):

Title: "Conservative Amanda Carpenter: ‘The RNC may be being used as a hush-money slush fund’"

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/conservative-amanda-carpenter-rnc-may-used-hush-money-slush-fund/

Extract: " Conservative commentator Amanda Carpenter said the Republican National Committee is being used as an ATM machine to cover up all of White House “hush-money payments.”

Former White House aide Omarosa Manigault Newman’s claimed that she was offered $15,000 to keep silent about what she experienced while working for President Donald Trump. In addition, the president’s bodyguard, Keith Schiller, will receive $15,000 a month for advising the RNC’s security for the 2020 convention.

&

Title: "Keith Schiller"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Schiller

Extract: "On November 1, 2017, Schiller was named as one of several high-profile witnesses to be privately interviewed by the House Intelligence Committee as part of its Russia investigations. The interview took place on November 7, where he reportedly told the committee that the salacious allegations in the Donald Trump-Russia dossier were not true, and that he could not recall or was not aware of connections between Russia and Trump associates. He also testified that a Russian offered to send five women to Trump's hotel room during their 2013 trip to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant but he rejected the offer. "One source noted that Schiller testified he eventually left Trump's hotel room door and could not say for sure what happened during the remainder of the night.""

&

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%93present)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 17, 2018, 12:21:12 AM
If the President is obviously guilty of obstruction but no one believes that a GOP led congress would impeach him, then the law requires Mueller/Rosenstein to indict Trump on that charge and let the courts decide:

Title: "‘Trump wears that intent on his sleeve’: Ex-prosecutor says president is obviously guilty of obstruction"

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/trump-wears-intent-sleeve-ex-prosecutor-says-president-obviously-guilty-obstruction/

Extract: "A former federal prosecutor said special counsel Robert Mueller should have no trouble proving an obstruction of justice case against President Donald Trump.

Mimi Rocah, a former U.S. Attorney in the Southern District of New York, said it was “chilling” that former CIA director John Brennan believed publicly available evidence existed to prove collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia — and now it was up to Mueller to determine which laws were broken."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 17, 2018, 06:33:39 AM
Brennan and Strzok, with some help from the brits were behind the Steele dossier stitch up. They are running scared.

If you strike at the king, you must kill him. They didn't.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 17, 2018, 08:15:32 AM
Binney doubles down: DNC hack was inside job; Guccifer 2 was fabricator:

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/08/13/too-big-to-fail-russia-gate-one-year-after-vips-showed-a-leak-not-a-hack/

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 17, 2018, 09:06:24 AM
Binney doubles down: DNC hack was inside job; Guccifer 2 was fabricator:

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/08/13/too-big-to-fail-russia-gate-one-year-after-vips-showed-a-leak-not-a-hack/

sidd

That's a piece from a journalist, quoting bits of Binney.  All that's really shown here is that  "Binney and Campbell established the peak transfer rate at 49.1 megabytes per second."  This could be a transfer at any point in a chain of transmission, anywhere between the DNC server and Guccifer 2.0 publishing it.  There's no evidence that this is the speed of the initial copying out of the DNC server.  The data could have been transferred along a sequence of a dozen different machines prior to publication.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 17, 2018, 02:04:45 PM
Most of the sources cited have political axes to grind.  You can't really say that about Computer Weekly, which published an excruciatingly detailed, time-lined article about the Guccifer2.0 brouhaha.:
Briton ran pro-Kremlin disinformation campaign that helped Trump deny Russian links
https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252445769/Briton-ran-pro-Kremlin-disinformation-campaign-that-helped-Trump-deny-Russian-links (https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252445769/Briton-ran-pro-Kremlin-disinformation-campaign-that-helped-Trump-deny-Russian-links)

Excruciating detail about the whole DNC hack issues.  I've never seen so much information about the matter in one place. 
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 17, 2018, 04:55:28 PM
Brennan and Strzok, with some help from the brits were behind the Steele dossier stitch up. They are running scared.

If you strike at the king, you must kill him. They didn't.

sidd

sidd,

Kindly cite evidence for your declarative statement.

Regards,
ASLR
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 17, 2018, 05:21:38 PM
This information supports the position that the payment to Stormy Daniels was a campaign contribution made in violation of the law:

Title: "Cohen resisted paying Stormy Daniels, but not after release of 'Access Hollywood' tape: report"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/402250-cohen-resisted-paying-stormy-daniels-but-not-after-release-of-access

Extract: "President Trump’s former attorney Michael Cohen was originally opposed to paying adult film star Stormy Daniels to keep her quiet about an alleged affair with Trump, but changed his tune after the “Access Hollywood” tape emerged in October 2016, …"

Edit: Obviously, this increases the chances that Cohen will face criminal campaign finance charges.

Title: "The Chance of Michael Cohen Facing Criminal Campaign Finance Charges Just Went Up"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/michael-cohen-paid-stormy-daniels-only-after-the-access-hollywood-tape-emerged-thats-big.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 17, 2018, 05:27:56 PM
The let's get to it now! There's nothing stopping Mueller from Charging and Prosecuting anyone who is not the Sitting President either, so I wish he would just get the ball rolling and do his job properly.

Like in the Nixon case, where there were multiple crimes committed there was a conga line of Nixon WH Officials and hangers on that were charged and pleaded guilty and even then gave Congressional Testimony against Nixon long before Nixon quit. So please no more prevaricating.

Brennan, Clapper, Comey, and a conga line of Law Enforcement / National Security players have been saying this is basically a given, a slam dunk they are all guilty for almost two years now. What's the great hold up in presenting all this credible evidence from IT Data/Intel sources and the NSA and moving forward?

Obviously, under the U.S. legal system Trump is presumed innocent until proven guilty.  Thus if Team Mueller makes one procedural mistake Team Trump can have the entire case thrown out.  'The wheels of justice grind slowly, but exceedingly fine.'

So hold your horses, unless you are intentionally trying to force an error on Team Mueller's part.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 17, 2018, 05:45:31 PM
As I have indicated previously, Bruce Ohr is a potential witness in the Mueller investigation, and Trump's threat (& pending action) to material damage Ohr (so need a security clearance to perform his work) is a criminal act.  I recommend that Mueller should use this as an example of our current 'extraordinary circumstances' in a request to Rosenstein to indict Trump on obstruction of justice charges (when the time is right):

Title: "Trump threatens to strip Justice Department official's clearance"

https://www.axios.com/trump-john-brennan-bruce-ohr-justice-security-clearance-16c69263-032f-4e7a-bd2b-48a0eafd63ab.html

Extract: "President Trump defended on Friday his decision to revoke former CIA Director John Brennan's security clearance, and said he'll be taking away Bruce Ohr's security clearance "very quickly... I think Bruce Ohr is a disgrace."

The backdrop: Ohr worked at the Department of Justice as associate deputy attorney general until late 2017, the Washington Post reports. His wife Nellie, who Trump also went after on Friday, is a "Russia specialist who has done some work for Fusion GPS.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 17, 2018, 07:45:53 PM
Here is yet another example of 'extraordinary circumstances' that I believe that Mueller could/should present to Rosenstein to get his approval to indict Trump on obstruction of justice charges:

Title: "Judge: Trump's release of dossier memos opens door to disclosures from FBI"

https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2018/08/16/trump-dossier-fbi-disclosures-782237

Extract: "President Donald Trump’s decision to declassify competing congressional memos about the validity of the so-called Steele dossier means the FBI has lost its authority to rebuff Freedom of Information Act requests about the bureau’s efforts to verify the report’s intelligence linking Trump to Russia during the 2016 campaign, a federal judge ruled on Thursday."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 17, 2018, 08:54:25 PM
It would make sense to me, if Mueller would subpoena Trump next week for an interview.  This would give Trump a chance to explain his intentions, when he was acting to obstruct both the Comey & the Mueller investigations. Who knows, maybe Trump can convince Mueller that facts are 'in the eye of the beholder'.

Title: "Rudy Giuliani says Trump is 'honest' because facts are 'in the eye of the beholder'"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/15/rudy-giuliani-president-trump-honest-facts-eye-beholder/1002853002/

&

Title: "Giuliani stops claiming Clinton-era memo blocks Mueller from subpoenaing Trump"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/giuliani-stop-claiming-clinton-era-memo-blocks-mueller/story?id=57153913

Extract: "Even as the prospect grows that special counsel Robert Mueller might end up subpoenaing President Donald Trump for an interview, Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, has stopped making a key argument: that Justice Department "rules" block such a subpoena.

Giuliani says his team might still make that argument if Mueller actually moves forward with a subpoena, but Giuliani's apparent abandonment of the talking point in recent interviews suggests the matter is not as clear-cut as he once made it seem."

Whether or not Trump afford himself of such an opportunity to explain his intentions, I believe that Mueller should continue to work towards indicting Trump by September 15th for obstruction of justice.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: wili on August 17, 2018, 09:44:02 PM
The judge in the Manifort case has just said that he has received threats, and that the jurors likely would get threats, too (if they haven't already), if their names were released to the media.

This is the state of thuggery we are now in.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/17/politics/paul-manafort-trial-friday/index.html
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 17, 2018, 09:52:41 PM
Not to beat a dead horse, but Robert Gates also expresses his concern that Trump's actions are inappropriately politicizing the issue of 'security clearances':

Title: "Robert Gates joins intelligence leaders condemning Trump for Brennan slap"

https://www.axios.com/intelligence-officials-letter-john-brennan-trump-e600429d-59b1-46b5-b232-f554153de923.html

Extract: "Dr. Robert Gates has added his name to a stunning list of former intelligence officials who signed a letter criticizing President Trump's decision to revoke former CIA director John Brennan's security clearance.

Why it matters: Gates has served eight presidents, including stints as CIA director, and later as Defense Secretary for Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. In the letter, the former officials state that "decisions on security clearances should be based on national security concerns and not political views." They also call the decision "ill-considered and unprecedented.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 17, 2018, 10:28:12 PM
By their allies shall ye know them; the list of former intelligence officials protecting one of their own is as fine a rogues gallery of liars, thugs, torturers and war criminals as one might find anywhere.

All of them ought to be in the dock at the Hague.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 17, 2018, 11:05:16 PM
By their allies shall ye know them; the list of former intelligence officials protecting one of their own is as fine a rogues gallery of liars, thugs, torturers and war criminals as one might find anywhere.

All of them ought to be in the dock at the Hague.

sidd


Ramen!!


Any thoughts on why a former spook would want, or require a "Security Clearance"?


Is it reasonable to give a disgruntled former employee access to the latest inner workings of his former department?


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 17, 2018, 11:18:38 PM
Any thoughts on why a former spook would want, or require a "Security Clearance"?

I extracted only the most important reason among the numerous points cited in the linked article:

Title: "Why former government officials keep their security clearances"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/16/why-former-government-officials-keep-their-security-clearances/?utm_term=.5e7356e078e2

Extract: "Perhaps the most obvious is that former intelligence officials constitute a community of individuals with detailed, specific knowledge about past security incidents the country has faced. The United States faces recurring threats that often mirror past incidents. With regularity — every four or eight years, for example — much of the leadership of our intelligence agencies sees turnover. Former officials are part of the institutional knowledge of those organizations, and access to that knowledge can be useful.

“Having former senior officials hold active security clearances can be critically important for those currently charged with defending our nation,” said Jamil N. Jaffer, who was associate counsel to President George W. Bush and founder of George Mason University’s National Security Institute, “because it allows them to turn rapidly to people with significant experience, context and contacts to help interpret the activity of our opponents and to provide wise counsel and guidance, whether that’s in the terrorism, foreign policy or any national security context.”

Former officials don’t need a security clearance to offer their opinions to their successors, of course, but any counsel offered might be hampered if there’s current information that can’t be shared."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 17, 2018, 11:56:57 PM
Here is one of many reviews of Malcolm Nance's recent book:

Title: "THE PLOT TO DESTROY DEMOCRACY - How Putin's Spies Are Winning Control of America and Dismantling the West"

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/malcolm-nance/the-plot-to-destroy-democracy/

Extract: "It’s a remarkable bit of spinning that has allowed right-leaning media to portray Russia, the longtime rival and even enemy of the United States, as our friend. By intelligence officer and counterterrorism analyst Nance’s (Defeating ISIS: Who They Are, How They Fight, What They Believe, 2016, etc.) account, the victor in Trump’s electoral win was Vladimir Putin, who “won with the aid of Americans who had turned on their own values.” In this, everyone is implicated, from the putatively liberal media and its obsession with Clinton’s emails to pro-Trump voters who cast their ballots for him despite their candidate’s “slavish devotion to Putin.” It’s a story that isn’t going away, despite what the president might wish. Certainly, Nance writes, the intelligence community is keeping its eye on the prize, and for those in the administration who urge that it’s all just misperception and accident, Nance counters, “coincidence takes a lot of planning.” The author argues that much of that planning originated inside the Kremlin, but much also came from the desk of Steve Bannon, a key actor in forging a vanguard for a new kind of pro-Moscow conservative movement in America. In a narrative dense with “active measures” and “Kompromat,” Nance traces the revival of Russian enmity to Putin’s second term as president, when he turned his KGB training to good use in weakening his American opponents by exploiting their divisions—exactly what those active measures are supposed to do. The author wraps up his case with a provocative declaration that will occasion divisions all on its own: “Trump has definitely convinced me that he transitioned from an unwitting asset of Vladimir Putin to a willing asset working in league with the Russian Federation.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 18, 2018, 07:37:19 AM
Papa going to jail ? or will the judge relent: "upto" 6 months and 10K fine

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-papadopoulos/u-s-special-counsel-recommends-six-months-in-prison-for-papadopoulos-idUSKBN1L3015

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 18, 2018, 04:59:06 PM
Is that all? So much for RussiaGate being a major national security crime and conspiracy that threatened the existence America's Democracy!

People get more jail time for basic drink driving where no accident occurred and no one was killed.

What a beat up!
The sentence means that while Papadopoulos was a weasel, he still gave evidence of sufficient value to Mueller that Mueller still honored the plea deal (even though he recommended the harshest prison term allowed by the plea deal).  This means that Mueller has evidence in his pocket on a bigger fish.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on August 18, 2018, 06:19:19 PM
Is that all? So much for RussiaGate being a major national security crime and conspiracy that threatened the existence America's Democracy!

[...]

What a beat up!
[...] plea deal [...]
(my emph.)

Funny, Lurk, how with all your elaborate and penetrating analysis you could miss this crucial detail... Perhaps it isn't reported outside the "mainstream media"?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 18, 2018, 10:35:23 PM
Papa Dope isn't a weasel, he's a fledgling who fell out of the nest, lit on his head, and will never learn to fly straight.
Mueller on the other hand is guilty of abusing sick baby birds, then believing that their terrified chirps hold the answer to his quixotic quest.


Phenomenological studies might be more suited to his purposes.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 19, 2018, 12:27:01 AM
You know that POTUS is a malevolent narcissist (psychopath) when he tries to set-up the White House counsel as the fall guy for an obstruction of justice charge (thus forcing the WH counsel to cooperate with 30-hours of testimony with Mueller):

Title: "White House counsel has spent 30 hours sharing details for Mueller probe: report"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/402478-white-house-counsel-has-spent-30-hours-sharing-detailed-accounts-with

Extract: "White House counsel Donald McGahn has been cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller in his probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, according to an explosive New York Times report published Saturday.

McGahn has reportedly discussed accounts of multiple episodes at the center of Mueller's probe into whether President Trump obstructed justice. Sources told the Times that McGahn has had three voluntary interviews with Mueller's team totaling 30 hours.

However, the Times reports that McGahn became concerned over his growing exposure in the investigation and began to suspect the president was setting him up to take the fall for any alleged obstruction of justice."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 19, 2018, 01:21:26 AM
A clear case of criminal jury tampering by POTUS:

Title: "Trump's 'good person' defence could affect jurors in Manafort trial"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/18/trump-manafort-trial-jurors-sequestered

Extract: "Donald Trump’s outbursts against the special counsel investigation into Russian interference in the US election have become a near-daily occurrence. But on Friday the president made public comments that some observers and legal experts said were unprecedented – and could impact the objectivity of jurors."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 19, 2018, 01:46:11 AM

Mueller on the other hand is guilty of abusing sick baby birds, then believing that their terrified chirps hold the answer to his quixotic quest.

Really?  There's good prima facie evidence that Trump conspired with foreign agents to advance his campaign, a crime.
The custom of giving plea deals to minor actors in order to convict a major actor is how things are done here.  Maybe that's a scurrilous process, maybe it isn't.  Either way, Mueller is doing his job, as his job is defined.
I'm skeptical that Trump will see prison time before his term is over, but I think he plainly deserves prison time for his several criminal schemes.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 19, 2018, 05:41:50 AM
I'm intimately familiar with the American Justice System.


2 years of investigations that lead to 56 felony indictments.


No convictions - but it's a great conversation starter when a cop runs my ID. 8)


Terry
PS
What experience have you had with these brave G-Men?



Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Tor Bejnar on August 19, 2018, 07:51:13 AM
Quote
While van der Zwaan is the first to be sentenced in the investigation, the special counsel has already collected five guilty pleas and more than a dozen indictments since Mueller was appointed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in May.
CNBC (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/03/first-sentencing-in-mueller-probe-dutch-lawyer-gets-30-days-in-prison-20000-in-fines.html)  3 April 2018
This was as of April.  I believe a guilty plea is a conviction.  I know, this guy wanted to get home to his wife; he might have plead 'anything' to do so.  But we don't know, do we!

And yes, I've met exonerated former death-row prisoners, thanks to the Innocence Project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_Project) and similar efforts by caring people.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 19, 2018, 07:07:08 PM
Brennan knows what he is talking about:

Title: "John Brennan Stands ‘Very Much By’ Trump Treason Claim on Meet the Press: ‘I Don’t Think I’m Being Political’"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-brennan-stands-‘very-much-by’-trump-treason-claim-on-meet-the-press-‘i-don’t-think-i’m-being-political’/ar-BBM7hut?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "Former CIA Director John Brennan appeared on Meet the Press on Sunday, and told host Chuck Todd that he could possibly fight President Trump in court over the revoking of Brennan’s security clearance, that he doesn’t believe his speech up to this point has been political or politically motivated, and that he stands by his prior assessment of Trump as treasonous."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Tor Bejnar on August 19, 2018, 07:58:55 PM
Quote
...After a plea hearing on Tuesday afternoon, the special counsel's office released a statement of offense and plea agreement for van der Zwaan.
Lawfare (https://www.lawfareblog.com/documents-alex-van-der-zwaan-information-statement-offense-and-plea-agreement) February 20, 2018 (with false statement details).   I recall van der Zwaan was a very minor player, therefore the minimal consequences.

My only point is that there are convictions associated with Trump Campaign members' contact with Russians.  Lying to the FBI is a crime, so why lie to them?  Usually, it is because the liars are hiding something.  The 'something' could just be an embarrassment (and not something illegal).  I think we will find out, in due time.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 19, 2018, 11:32:02 PM
I thought it had been established that the "Professor" was one of our guys, or was at least with MI6.

No matter, a DC Judge has ordered the FBI to shine a little light on Mr. Steele's Dossier.

https://www.scribd.com/embeds/386451281/content?start_page=1&view_mode=scroll&access_key=key-amgM00R2qcTBS0m6lq4N&show_recommendations=false

Steele didn't collect the $50k the FBI offered if he could find confirmation of his dossier, Buzzfeed hasn't found any facts to help with their lawsuit, and as far as we know the $50M run through Feinstein's former staffer has also been coming up dry. ($50,000,000 is a whole lot of money to bring something to light - amounts of this magnitude are more often spent in an effort to shut people up.) If the DNC runs light on cash this election cycle, at least we'll know how some major donations were spent.

If it wasn't Steele, and it wasn't Papadopoulos, why on earth was the FBI reporting to their Commander in Chief about what Trump was doing on the campaign trail?

Will Mueller try to stonewall until the mid-term has past?
No honest investigator would allow politics to play such a large roll, so I assume Mueller will be stalling till mid November.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 20, 2018, 07:22:35 AM
Something tickled my memory. Brennan was running the CIA end of the russiagate operation and Strzok was FBI liason.

So i listened to the Hersh tape carefully again from last summer. After the claim that Seth Rich was in contact with Wikileaks and had provided them information, about five minutes into it, Hersh explicitly states that Russiagate was an american disinformation op run by Brennan.

But before that he makes a most cutting, and true assessment of the mindset of the intelligence honchos:

"With Trump, they're gone, they're done. They got to live on their pension, they're not going to make it. They don't wanna live on their pension ... they want that six hundred thousand dollar job."

Then he goes on to Brennan and "that cocksucker Rogers"

"It was a Brennan operation with American disinformation ... "

"Trump's not wrong to think that they all fucking lied about him."

Hersh, as usual, was on to the scam awhile ago.

Listen at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giuZdBAXVh0

sidd

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 20, 2018, 08:39:48 AM
Wait, what ? They're goin after Trump's lawyer for taxi medallion related bank fraud ?  And his lawyer is Lanny Davis ?

That's gonna be a comedy right there. Taxi biz in NY has been deeply corrupt forever.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/19/politics/nyt-cohen-investigation-bank-fraud/index.html

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 20, 2018, 10:52:00 AM
Lurk

I'd come across information about Prof. Mifsud some time ago while trying to learn more about the very spooky Prof. Halper. I'm not sure if I posted my findings, and the computer I'd used is now re- purposed as a rather unattractive doorstop.


Mifsud's connections with Halper, their interactions with the hapless Papadopoulos, and their long connections to British and American intelligence  make both unlikely candidates for GRU employment.


I believe I'd found that the timing of the original Guccifer's revelations, arrest, and trial publicity could be tied into Papa Dope's understanding that there was dirt on Hillary related to her E-Mails.


Good luck with your quest. I wish I could provide some help but that computer suffered an untimely death - and all that it knew died with it.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 20, 2018, 05:46:32 PM
Only a malevolent narcissist would call John Dean a 'Rat':

Title: "John Dean: "I am actually honored" to be insulted by Trump"

https://www.axios.com/john-dean-watergate-trump-tweets-mueller-investigation-35129f85-0622-44df-9657-cd369bc0b617.html

Extract: "President Trump tweeted this morning: "The failing @nytimes wrote a Fake piece today implying that because White House Councel Don McGahn was giving hours of testimony to the Special Councel [sic], he must be a John
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 20, 2018, 05:54:27 PM
Cohen's window of opportunity to cut a plea deal is running out:

Title: "Michael Cohen is reportedly being investigated for $20 million in bank and tax fraud"

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/20/17759112/michael-cohen-bank-fraud-taxi-business

Extract: "Prosecutors are considering filing charges by the end of August — if Cohen doesn’t strike a deal first."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 20, 2018, 06:26:49 PM
As WH counsel, Don McGahn owes his allegiance to the American people, rather than to Donald Trump:

Title: "Trump Lawyers’ Sudden Realization: They Don’t Know What Don McGahn Told Mueller’s Team"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/19/us/politics/don-mcgahn-trump-mueller.html

Extract: "President Trump’s lawyers do not know just how much the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, told the special counsel’s investigators during months of interviews, a lapse that has contributed to a growing recognition that an early strategy of full cooperation with the inquiry was a potentially damaging mistake.

The president’s lawyers said on Sunday that they were confident that Mr. McGahn had said nothing injurious to the president during the 30 hours of interviews. But Mr. McGahn’s lawyer has offered only a limited accounting of what Mr. McGahn told the investigators, according to two people close to the president.

That has prompted concern among Mr. Trump’s advisers that Mr. McGahn’s statements could help serve as a key component for a damning report by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, which the Justice Department could send to Congress, according to two people familiar with the discussions."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 20, 2018, 06:50:02 PM
Rudy seems to believe that he is free to distort the truth any time he wants:

Title: "Team Trump still isn't telling the truth about that 2016 Trump Tower meeting"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/team-trump-still-isn-t-telling-truth-about-2016-trump-n902146

Extract: "Giuliani declared that the Trump campaign representatives who met with Russians in that June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting (Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner) didn’t know they were representatives of the Russian government.

Let’s unpack Giuliani’s comments: One, he admits the purpose of that 2016 meeting was to get dirt on Hillary Clinton (when their original explanation was Russian adoptions). Two, he says any campaign would have taken such a meeting (when past Democratic and Republican campaigns have said they never did). And three, Giuliani declares they didn’t know Natalia Veselnitskaya was connected with the Russian government. But we know that isn’t true."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 20, 2018, 07:35:00 PM
Judge T.S. Ellis III would have been wise if he had ordered the Manafort jury to be sequestered:

Trump tweets raise questions about why Manafort jury isn't sequestered

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/402670-trump-tweets-raise-questions-about-why-manafort-jury-isnt-sequestered

Extract: "“In this particular case it's highly unusual these people are not sequestered,” said David Weinstein, a former federal prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Miami.
“With everyone talking about it, myself included and our president, it’s hard for these jurors to keep eyes and ears closed and not pick up comments on the peripheral.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 20, 2018, 09:00:29 PM
That Hersh tape was made by Ed Butowsky who was involved with the Rich case. Without Hersh's knowledge.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 20, 2018, 11:23:06 PM
Unless POTUS provides evidence beyond a reasonable doubt supporting this claim, then in my opinion this tweet also constitutes obstruction of justice:

Title: "Trump accuses Mueller's team of midterm meddling"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/20/trump-robert-mueller-2018-midterms-elections-788853

Extract: "The team of investigators working on special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation "are looking to impact" this November's midterm elections, President Donald Trump claimed Monday morning, labeling Mueller's team a "national disgrace.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 20, 2018, 11:51:14 PM
Re: Mifsud

Claire Smith is the tell. Member of the UK Joint Intelligence committee, worked with Mifsud.

Bear in mind, that CIA chief of station, London routinely attends JIC meetings. Who was CoS London then ? None other than one of our torture ladies, Gina Haspel. Hannigan, head of JIC flew to DC to meet and brief Brennan on the Russia frameup ... i mean Russia investigation.

Halper is another one to look up too. Someone unearthed his invoices and put them on this forum somewhere.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/21/public-evidence-crossfire-hurricane-demands-full-investigation-stat/
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/05/26/the_maltese_phantom_of_russiagate_.html
https://www.steynonline.com/8667/tinker-tailor-clapper-carter-downer-halper-spy
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/05/26/the_maltese_phantom_of_russiagate_.html
https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/04/all-russiagate-roads-lead-to-london-as-evidence-emerges-of-joseph-mifsuds-links-to-uk-intelligence/

sidd

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 02:00:23 AM
Re: Mifsud

Claire Smith is the tell. Member of the UK Joint Intelligence committee, worked with Mifsud.

Bear in mind, that CIA chief of station, London routinely attends JIC meetings. Who was CoS London then ? None other than one of our torture ladies, Gina Haspel. Hannigan, head of JIC flew to DC to meet and brief Brennan on the Russia frameup ... i mean Russia investigation.

Halper is another one to look up too. Someone unearthed his invoices and put them on this forum somewhere.
...
sidd

I most sincerely hope that Trumps legal defense team is taking good note of your various hypotheses.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 21, 2018, 02:18:55 AM
Since "The Maltese Professor" was on our side, and since "Sweet Russian Olga" attended at his bidding, not the Kremlin's, then who were these "Russian Agents" that "Slow George" confessed to having met? How could George's "lie"? possibly have lead the "Government Agents" off on the wrong track?
Since the meeting was obviously an MI6/FBI production isn't it reasonable to assume that they knew perfectly well who had spoken to whom long before George volunteered his assistance?


The charges against Mr Papadopoulos are fraudulent & those responsible need to do a couple of years at Leavenworth.



This goes far beyond entrapment and should serve as a lesson to any that may be tempted to assist the FBI.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 21, 2018, 02:23:19 AM

I most sincerely hope that Trumps legal defense team is taking good note of your various hypotheses.


Is this the "hypotheses" you question?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbjsPsxXkAEn_5l.jpg)


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 03:46:34 AM
Given Trump's statement, I think that Mueller should issue a subpoena sooner rather than later:

Title: "Exclusive: Trump worries that Mueller interview could be a 'perjury trap'"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-trump-worries-that-mueller-interview-could-be-a-perjury-trap/ar-BBMbPIP?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday he was worried that any statements under oath he provides to Special Counsel Robert Mueller could be used to bring perjury charges against him as part of the probe into Russia's electoral interference.

In an interview with Reuters, Trump echoed the concerns of his top lawyer in the probe, Rudy Giuliani, who has warned that any sit-down with Mueller could be a “perjury trap.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 03:48:36 AM

Is this the "hypotheses" you question?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbjsPsxXkAEn_5l.jpg)


Terry

I hope that Trump's legal team is paying close attention to all of sidd's, and of your, numerous hypotheses.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 21, 2018, 06:38:08 AM
Our Professor has disappeared, or was disappeared, last Halloween. He hasn't been seen or heard of since.


His baby's mother paces the darkened nursery, she pauses at a half open window as the moon light suddenly reflects from two eyes glinting in the windswept woods below. She sighs deeply, "Will you ever meet your father." she coos to her nursing child.
(fade to black as the theremin solo reaches a crescendo.)



It almost writes itself.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 21, 2018, 06:49:37 AM
1) Downer is in the spy game to his neck. Look up Downer and Hakluyt.

2) Butina is not yet alleged to be in the Trump Tower meet

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 21, 2018, 01:31:07 PM

Does the FBI assume that only Republican & Trump political supporters are possibly criminals and acting fraudulently during US elections? Why is that?  

Mueller has a specific, written mandate.   To investigate foreign interference in the campaign, whether any cooperation existed with such foreign interference, and crimes found in the course of the investigation.  This is both a criminal and national security investigation.

He thus investigates leads, tips, allegations.  On the Trump side, his campaign took a meeting with agents of Russia with the expectation of receiving "dirt" and possibly other assistance.  That's in the email record.  It's not yet proven what these agents wanted in return.  From the assurance that the meeting was about "Russian adoptions," it's reasonable to conclude that the Russian agents wanted reversal of the Magnitsky Act in return for assistance in the election efforts.

We know that Russia carried out their part of the bargain with a range of activities.  We know that Trump was poised to reverse sanctions on Russia, until Congressional action blocked his freedom to act unilaterally. 

Together, that's rather decent prima facie evidence of a quid pro quo.

The Clinton side had no such allegations of collaborating with a agents of a foreign power.  What specifically would you have Mueller investigate?  On what justification?  Based on what tips?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 21, 2018, 04:04:56 PM
I see your point.
My misunderstanding of your words derived from their presence on the thread for the Mueller investigation.  I thus presumed you were saying it should be Mueller's responsibility to engage in wider investigation of possible corruption by others, in other areas.
Well, that's quite valid, just not Mueller's job.  Sessions and Wray would be the ones responsible.

There's whole lots of de facto corruption that isn't actually illegal.  The government-industry hiring revolving door is one.  Most relationships between campaign contributors and elected officials don't violate the law -- though they should.  Donations to the Clinton (or Trump) Foundations are legal, as long as there's no clear quid pro quo.

What's needed is a raft of stronger good-government laws.  That kind of reform did arise after Watergate.  It seems scandals are needed to prompt change.  I think we might have one now.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 05:08:20 PM
Trump has just asked Sean Hannity (in a tweet) whether he should revoke Philip Mudd's security clearance; which per Business Insider indicates that: "Trump and the White House have, without evidence, accused former US intelligence officials who are critical of Trump of taking advantage of their security clearances for monetary gain."

Title: "Trump teases revoking a former CIA analyst's security clearance after his heated debate on CNN"

https://www.businessinsider.com/philip-mudd-vs-paris-dennard-cnn-debate-trump-tweet-2018-8

Extract: "
•   President Donald Trump hinted that he may revoke another US intelligence official's security clearance on Monday, after a viral video showed the official in a heated argument with a commentator on CNN.

•   The official is Philip Mudd, a former CIA analyst and FBI national security branch deputy director.

•   Trump's message follows a heated debate between Mudd and Republican strategist Paris Dennard, in which Mudd grew visibly upset after being accused of making "more money" from consulting firms because of his security clearance.

•   Trump described Mudd as being "totally unglued and weird.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 06:37:28 PM
Trump could soon be in a world of hurt:

Title: "Report: Michael Cohen exploring plea deal with federal prosecutors"

https://www.axios.com/michael-cohen-plea-deal-tax-bank-fraud-f8ea4a85-7975-4989-87a0-3e0cf8af8cec.html

Extract: "President Trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, is in talks with federal prosecutors to potentially negotiate a plea deal related to charges of "tax fraud and banking-related matters," reports NBC News.

Why it matters: The New York Times reported Sunday that Cohen is under investigation for more than $20 million in bank and tax fraud connected to his family taxi business. He is also being investigated for possible campaign finance violations for paying off women who claimed to have had extramarital affairs with Trump."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 07:07:34 PM
I suspect the jury has voted that Manafort is guilty on 17 counts, and are temporarily hung on the 18th count:

Title: "Manafort jury asks what happens if they can't come to conclusion on a single count"

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/402837-manafort-jury-asks-what-happens-if-they-cant-come-to-conclusion-on-a-count

Extract: " “Your honor, if we cannot come to a consensus on a single count, how do we fill out the jury verdict form for that count and what does that mean for the final verdict?” said the note Judge T.S. Ellis III read aloud in court.

Ellis, who reconvened court 11:30 a.m. said, “This is not an exceptional or unusual event in a jury trial.”

If the jurors fail to reach a consensus, Ellis told Downing he would “consider accepting what they reach.”

He brought the jury back into the courtroom at 10 minutes to noon and instructed them to try to reach a unanimous verdict. He told them they should not hesitate to re-examine their views and change their decision if they think it’s erroneous."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: wili on August 21, 2018, 07:32:13 PM
So should we conclude that they have come to a consensus on all other counts? Do you think that bodes ill or well for Manafort?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 07:56:48 PM
So should we conclude that they have come to a consensus on all other counts? Do you think that bodes ill or well for Manafort?
wili,
As Seth Abramson's thinking on this matter matches mine, I will let his linked tweet confirm that this jury note means that Manafort will almost certainly spend the rest of his life in prison (unless Trump pardons him or he cuts a plea deal with Mueller):

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1031938952868122624

Extract: "The news about this note from the jury means there's a 99%+ chance Manafort spends most of or all his life in prison *unless* he cuts a deal with Bob Mueller or is pardoned (which would lead to impeachment). I'm serious; the two possible ends of the Manafort saga are clear."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 21, 2018, 07:59:55 PM
So should we conclude that they have come to a consensus on all other counts? Do you think that bodes ill or well for Manafort?

Echoes of Watergate abound. So my answer is Trudeau's:
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 08:02:57 PM
More bad news for Team Trumputin:

Title: "Court dismisses Russian oligarchs' lawsuit over Steele dossier"

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/402855-court-dismisses-russian-oligarchs-lawsuit-over-steele-dossier

Extract: "A judge in Washington, D.C., on Monday ruled in favor of Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence officer who authored an unverified dossier alleging ties between President Trump's campaign and Russia, in a libel suit.

in the ruling reported by The Guardian, Judge Anthony Epstein upheld a decision to dismiss a case by three Russian oligarchs who had sued Steele and his firm for defamation for reports in the dossier. The judge said the men had not sufficiently proved that Steele knew any of the information in the document was false."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 08:06:02 PM
To me this means that Mueller is still squeezing useful information out of Flynn:

Title: "Flynn sentencing hearing delayed"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/402861-flynn-sentencing-hearing-delayed

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller has again delayed scheduling a sentencing hearing for former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

“Due to the status of its investigation, the Special Counsel’s Office does not believe that this matter is ready to be scheduled for a sentencing hearing at this time,” read a joint status report released Tuesday.

Tuesday’s delay is the fourth time prosecutors have asked to delay Flynn’s sentencing."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 08:11:09 PM
Cohen does the right thing:

Title: "Report: Michael Cohen reaches plea deal with federal prosecutors"

https://www.axios.com/michael-cohen-plea-deal-federal-prosecutors-3b86b2b9-4ce7-4437-bbdc-2178aa3c33cc.html

Extract: "President Trump's former personal attorney Michael Cohen has reached a plea deal with federal prosecutors in New York, per ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos.

The big question: It's still unknown whether Cohen's deal means he'll be cooperating with federal investigators, including those in the Mueller investigation."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 08:59:56 PM
It looks like Mueller's squeeze plays are working:

Title: "They're Squeezing Don Jr.": As Mueller's Siege Tightens, Trump's Twitter Rage Crests"

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/donald-trump-don-mcgahn-robert-mueller-twitter-rage#~o

Extract: "White House counsel Don McGahn's interviews with Mueller have rattled Trump to his core."

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 10:25:38 PM
The linked New York Times article indicates that Cohen is pleading guilty to campaign finance charges associated with the payment to Stormy Daniels.  As Trump's financial disclosure documents cite this payment as one of his expenses, Cohen's guilty plea raises trouble for Trump.  Furthermore, the article indicates that the more that Cohen cooperates with Mueller, the more he can get his penalties reduced:

Title: "Michael Cohen, Trump’s Former Fixer, Reaches Plea Deal Over Payments to Women"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/nyregion/michael-cohen-plea-deal-trump.html

Extract: "Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s former fixer, agreed on Tuesday to plead guilty to campaign finance charges, making the extraordinary admission that he paid a pornographic film actress to secure her silence about an affair she said she had with Mr. Trump.

If Mr. Cohen were to substantially assist the special counsel’s investigation, Mr. Mueller could recommend a reduction in his sentence.

The guilty plea could represent a pivotal moment in the investigation into the president: a once-loyal aide acknowledging that he made payments to at least one woman who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump, in violation of federal campaign finance law."

Edit: To be clear this means that Donald Trump just became an unindicted co-conspirator in a criminal case where his fellow co-conspirator just pleaded guilty and incriminated him.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 21, 2018, 10:38:18 PM
Manafort guilty on eight counts means that he is going to prison for a long time (unless he is pardoned or cuts a plea deal):

Title: "Jury in Manafort trial reaches verdict on 8 counts"

https://www.axios.com/paul-manafort-trial-jury-verdict-215089ba-cc3c-46ea-90cd-c64d13732562.html

Extract: "The jury in the trial against President Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort has reached a verdict on 8 counts, but cannot reach a consensus on the other 10."

See also:

Title: "Jury Finds Paul Manafort Guilty In Federal Tax And Bank Fraud Trial"

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/21/640537446/paul-manafort-jury-asks-for-instructions-about-consensus-on-1-charge

Extract: "A federal jury on Tuesday found Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, guilty on eight of the 18 charges he faced in his tax and bank fraud trial.

Judge T.S. Ellis III declared a mistrial on the other 10 counts.

The Justice Department has a choice about whether to attempt to retry Manafort on those counts; prosecutors have until Aug. 29 to notify the judge as to what they've decided."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on August 21, 2018, 11:41:45 PM
Wow. A guilty plea by Cohen, and a guilty verdict for Manafort.
The justice system still functions here in the US.
And no 'innocent' verdicts means a huge win for Mueller !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Uy0Uznw4E
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: crandles on August 22, 2018, 12:23:06 AM
Adam Schiff tweet (http://"https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpoliticalbetting.vanillacommunity.com%2Fdiscussion%2F6676%2Fpoliticalbetting-com-blog-archive-an-awful-amount-of-excrement-has-just-hit-the-fan-for-trump")

Quote
Michael Cohen’s guilty plea appears to implicate the President in a knowing violation of campaign finance laws, with the payment of hush money to advance the Trump campaign. This is the first guilty plea directly alleging potential criminal activity by the President.

A republican saying that !?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 22, 2018, 12:26:51 AM

 Furthermore, the article indicates that the more that Cohen cooperates with Mueller, the more he can get his penalties reduced:



So Justice, as dispensed by Mueller, not only peeks from behind her blindfold, but peeps into the bedrooms of those who Herr Mueller has designated as enemies.


Rather than the archaic principal of having the punishment fit the crime. Mueller's victims suffering is dependent on how effectively they turn on their former friends and associates.
Just as waterboarding has fallen from favor, Mueller's mental tortures are proudly heralded as the approved method of ensuring full compliance. Why threaten to crush a man's testicles when the threat of years of homosexual rape in a prison cell is so much more effective.


Robert Mueller III - he's right up there with Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. Perhaps they meet with Haspel on the weekends to discuss whether threats of electric prods, waterboarding or an amorous cellmate, elicit the most humerus responses.


What a disgusting man.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 22, 2018, 12:43:00 AM
Adam Schiff tweet (http://"https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpoliticalbetting.vanillacommunity.com%2Fdiscussion%2F6676%2Fpoliticalbetting-com-blog-archive-an-awful-amount-of-excrement-has-just-hit-the-fan-for-trump")

Quote
Michael Cohen’s guilty plea appears to implicate the President in a knowing violation of campaign finance laws, with the payment of hush money to advance the Trump campaign. This is the first guilty plea directly alleging potential criminal activity by the President.

A republican saying that !?

Schiff is a Democrat
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: crandles on August 22, 2018, 12:44:53 AM
Schiff is a Democrat

Ah yes sorry.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 22, 2018, 12:45:25 AM
How many convictions/guilty pleas does it take before Trump stops calling the Mueller Investigation a witch hunt?

Title: "Trump responds to Manafort verdict"

https://www.axios.com/trump-paul-manafort-michael-cohen-guilty-75021fc0-cf5d-4020-9459-c3ddd73c3fae.html

Extract: "President Trump, after landing in West Virginia to speak at a rally this evening, responded to the news of Paul Manafort's conviction on 8 counts of tax and bank fraud. He did not respond to Michael Cohen's guilty plea.

"I feel badly... Paul Manafort is a good man... I feel very sad about that because it involved me. It's a very sad thing that happened. It has nothing to do with Russian collusion, it's a witch hunt and it's a disgrace... I feel very badly for Paul Manafort... It had nothing to do with Russian collusion, we continue the witch hunt."

— President Trump to reporters

Between the lines: Manafort was found guilty by a jury, while Cohen turned himself in to the authorities."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 22, 2018, 12:55:21 AM
Schiff is a Democrat

Ah yes sorry.
Certainly no sorrier than the ignominious Adam Schiff  ;D
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on August 22, 2018, 12:56:40 AM
Keep in mind that we are STILL only in the appetizer round of our 5 course Russian meal.

The courses in the future will have a LOT more “meat on the bone.”  The Manafort trial and the Cohen plea deal only set us up for the next courses.

Cohen will be able to provide some significant dirt on Trump.

Republicans running for office will continue to make their choices.  As we get further along in our Russian meal, more and more Republicans will “peel off”.  It’s a process .... it takes time. 
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 22, 2018, 12:56:58 AM
 

Rather than the archaic principal of having the punishment fit the crime. Mueller's victims suffering is dependent on how effectively they turn on their former friends and associates. 

Yes, rather than receive the full punishment to fit the crime, these admitted criminals receive leniency in exchange for providing truthful assistance to an investigation.  Looks like reasonable justice to me.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 22, 2018, 01:45:28 AM
 

Rather than the archaic principal of having the punishment fit the crime. Mueller's victims suffering is dependent on how effectively they turn on their former friends and associates. 

Yes, rather than receive the full punishment to fit the crime, these admitted criminals receive leniency in exchange for providing truthful assistance to an investigation.  Looks like reasonable justice to me.
Spin it your way or mine - it's totally divorced from any sense of justice.


If we administered or withheld lifesaving medicine depending on whether or not you told us where your confederate was hiding - would you consider this reasonable medical practice?


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 22, 2018, 01:56:41 AM
 

Rather than the archaic principal of having the punishment fit the crime. Mueller's victims suffering is dependent on how effectively they turn on their former friends and associates. 

Yes, rather than receive the full punishment to fit the crime, these admitted criminals receive leniency in exchange for providing truthful assistance to an investigation.  Looks like reasonable justice to me.
Spin it your way or mine - it's totally divorced from any sense of justice.

If we administered or withheld lifesaving medicine depending on whether or not you told us where your confederate was hiding - would you consider this reasonable medical practice?

Terry

Medical ethics are quite different from judicial ethics.  Doctors must act in the interest of patients.  The judicial system acts in the interest of justice.  Punishment for committing crimes is the law of the land.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 22, 2018, 03:49:58 AM
It looks like all the loose ends from Trump's 2016 campaign are starting to unravel.  It looks to me that either Trump will need to resign, or start a war, well before 2020:

Title: "Omarosa shares video of Cohen boarding Trump plane in 2016"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/omarosa-shares-video-of-cohen-boarding-trump-plane-in-2016/ar-BBMgzlF?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "Manigault Newman said the video, which was shown on MSNBC's "Hardball," is evidence that Cohen was involved in the Trump campaign, something she predicted the president will begin to deny.

"He sat and met with the president during that trip," she said on "Hardball."

"He was very involved," she added of Cohen. "He was directing some of the things that were happening and he was impacting some of the decisions that the president made, as well as the president telling him to fix things.""
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 22, 2018, 04:22:06 AM
I suspect the jury has voted that Manafort is guilty on 17 counts

Just goes to show where suspicions got you. Wrong yet again. 

"It's Difficult to Make Predictions, Especially About the Future"

Note that the remaining counts weren't "not guilty," the jury was hung.  So if re-tried the jury may still find Manafort guilty on all the remaining counts as well.  Time will tell.  Perhaps waiting for the ultimate facts may be prudent.

For my part, my posted graphic listed "guilty" four times, when there were eight guilty verdicts.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on August 22, 2018, 04:24:27 AM
Michael Cohen's attorney just was one-on-one with Rachel Maddow.
Fascinating.
Tomorrow posted here: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show (but perhaps incomplete)
(Might explode Terry's head :) )
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 22, 2018, 05:51:59 AM
Note that the remaining counts weren't "not guilty," the jury was hung.

Would you do me a favor Steve?

Stop talking to me as if I am a complete moron with an IQ under 60. When obviously, given the content of several hundreds posts I am not, and have an eagle eye for the details. I had not said one word that could possibly indicate I didn't know what you pointed out.

Please. Have a heart. I find it unnecessarily belittling. It also waste my time correcting such common portrayals and falsehoods being laid at my feet on an almost daily basis. It's already long been tedious. Thanks. :-[

This is a public forum.  My words were a reaction to yours, but for the potential benefit of the readership.  I didn't presume anything about your knowledge at all. 
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on August 22, 2018, 11:02:49 AM
Here's something interesting which tends to support the views of many commentators suspicious of  the RussiaGate conspiracy theories and assertions coming out of the FBI etc., and are somewhat in line with what Forensicator, Binney and Adam Carter have suggested.

Both forensicator and Binney (and everyone with even a bit of computer science knowledge) have already stated that there was :

no evidence to prove where the download/copy was done”.

And besides, Mueller already gave an excruciating detailed account of exactly how the DNC and the DCCC were hacked by Russian intelligence :
https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

Here's something interesting which tends to support the views of the people :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Uy0Uznw4E
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on August 22, 2018, 11:06:22 AM
Cohen's lawyer affirms that Cohen is done with the lies, and is ready to tell the truth about a lot more than just the husch money paid to the porn stars that our "president" had an affair with :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDfrZMGwQ-A
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 22, 2018, 07:38:05 PM
Team Trump is starting to look fragile, especially if Cohen gives Mueller a proffer of information about Team Trump's collusion with Russia in exchange for reduced sentencing:

Title: "What does Michael Cohen’s plea deal mean for Trump? I asked 13 legal experts."

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17765566/michael-cohen-plea-deal-trump-mueller

Extract: "The president “is all but an unindicted co-conspirator.”
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 22, 2018, 07:56:18 PM
Hopefully, Lanny Davis is currently helping Michael Cohen prepare a proffer of information to Mueller in exchange for reduced sentencing (as a reward for Cohen coming clean):

Title: "Cohen isn’t necessarily done creating serious problems for Trump"

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/cohen-isnt-necessarily-done-creating-serious-problems-trump

Extract: "Lanny Davis, one of Cohen’s lawyers, spoke to Rachel on the show last night, and shared some insights that suggested there’s far more to come.

“I can tell you that Mr. Cohen has knowledge on certain subjects that should be of interest to the special counsel and is more than happy to tell special counsel all that he knows – not just about the obvious possibility of a conspiracy to collude and corrupt the American democracy system in the 2016 election, which the Trump Tower meeting was all about, but also, knowledge about the computer crime of hacking and whether or not Mr. Trump knew ahead of time about that crime and even cheered it on.”

Davis added that Cohen is “now liberated to tell truth – everything about Donald Trump that he knows.”

As developments unfolded yesterday, we learned of an important detail: Cohen’s plea agreement with prosecutors did not include provisions that would require him to cooperate with other investigations, including Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe.

But his lawyer’s comments on The Rachel Maddow Show suggest Cohen stands ready to voluntarily answer provocative questions – and provide information “on certain subjects that should be of interest to the special counsel,” which may include possible insights into what Trump knew about Russia’s attack on our elections."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 22, 2018, 08:00:07 PM
Team Trump is starting to look fragile, especially if Cohen gives Mueller a proffer of information about Team Trump's collusion with Russia in exchange for reduced sentencing:

Title: "What does Michael Cohen’s plea deal mean for Trump? I asked 13 legal experts."

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17765566/michael-cohen-plea-deal-trump-mueller

Extract: "The president “is all but an unindicted co-conspirator.”

One passage of this article quite struck me with its implications:

"If Cohen provided information on potentially criminal activities to the Southern District and it opened an investigation into them, it would place the President in a double bind: First, since it would be an investigation separate and apart from the Mueller probe, he wouldn’t be able to argue that the Special Counsel exceeded his mandate or crossed a “red line” — after all, any U.S. Attorney’s office is legally authorized (and duty-bound) to investigate any violations of federal law it learns about.

More importantly, such an investigation would be completely insulated from any steps Trump might take to fire Mueller, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, or even Attorney General Jeff Sessions (especially since his interim pick to head the Southern District who recused himself from overseeing the Cohen investigation, would undoubtedly recuse himself from any other Trump-related investigation as well). So Trump has much more to fear from Cohen than just what he knows about Russia-related matters."


Mueller handing the Cohen matter to SDNY was, we see now, a smart strategic move.
Trump's not smart.  I think his ultimate stupidity (like Manafort's) was to think that a guy with a *very* shady history can survive the inevitable intense scrutiny of serving in high office.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 22, 2018, 08:34:43 PM
Awan cleared of DNC hacks, no jail time for bank fraud:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-reg-imran-awan-plea-deal-20180703-story.html

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 22, 2018, 09:32:58 PM
Awan cleared of DNC hacks, no jail time for bank fraud:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-reg-imran-awan-plea-deal-20180703-story.html (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-reg-imran-awan-plea-deal-20180703-story.html)

sidd


Wonder who he finked out?
Perhaps an indication of new bank fraud sentencing recommendations?


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 22, 2018, 10:57:45 PM
This will likely mean much more trouble for Donald Trump than for Cohen:

Title: "Subpoena issued for former Trump attorney Cohen in Trump Foundation probe"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-foundation/subpoena-issued-for-former-trump-attorney-cohen-in-trump-foundation-probe-ap-idUSKCN1L722S

Extract: "New York state sent a subpoena on Wednesday to U.S. President Donald Trump’s former attorney Michael Cohen in connection with a probe of the Trump Foundation charity, a New York state official said.

The subpoena was issued by the New York state tax department, the official said, after Cohen’s lawyer, Lanny Davis, made comments about Cohen having information regarding the Trump Foundation, which is based in the state."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 22, 2018, 11:31:46 PM
It make take many months to reveal just how much Cohen has on Trump, but this expert thinks he has a lot:

Title: "Trump Expert David Cay Johnston: Cohen’s ‘Intimate Knowledge’ of the President’s Lies Spell ‘Real Trouble’ for His Presidency"

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/trump-expert-david-cay-johnston-cohens-intimate-knowledge-presidents-lies-spell

Extract: "The president is in huge trouble now."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 23, 2018, 12:04:18 AM
Basically Trump confessed on Fox that he violated the campaign laws:

Title: "Donald Trump Basically Admitted To A Federal Crime"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-basically-admitted-federal-crime_us_5b7da81de4b07295150f49f6?77e

Extract: "President Donald Trump said Wednesday he paid two women during the 2016 campaign to stay quiet about affairs he allegedly had with them — essentially admitting that he committed a federal crime.

EARHARDT: Did you know about the payments?

TRUMP: Later on I knew. Later on. But you have to understand, Ainsley, what he did ― and they weren’t taken out of campaign finance. That’s a big thing. That’s a much bigger thing. Did they come out of the campaign? They came from me. I tweeted about it. I don’t know if you know, but I tweeted about the payments.

But they didn’t come out of the campaign. In fact, my first question when I heard about it was, did they come out of the campaign? Because that could be a little dicey. They didn’t come out of the campaign, and that’s big. It’s not even a campaign violation.
...
Trump has it backward. Had he used his own money to pay off Daniels and McDougal and routed it through his presidential campaign, there wouldn’t be a legal issue. (Publicly disclosing payments to Daniels, an adult film star, and McDougal, a Playboy model, of course, would have undermined the purpose of the payments, which was to keep the allegations secret.)"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 23, 2018, 12:29:10 AM
Can you imagine where JFK would have been if he'd had to pay off all of his "indiscretions"?  :)  Don't get me wrong, Stormy's no Marilyn Monroe, but the Playboy gal does have some kind of body. Ike's jeep driver and Jr's Mistress in law were no slouches, but Clinton just had no taste when it came to women.


I think most presidents since Lincoln's time have had a gal on the side. Abe seems to have preferred sleeping with men - rugged men.


Were any of them ever questioned about who paid the bills?


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 23, 2018, 02:50:15 AM
Can you imagine where JFK would have been if he'd had to pay off all of his "indiscretions"?  :)  Don't get me wrong, Stormy's no Marilyn Monroe, but the Playboy gal does have some kind of body. Ike's jeep driver and Jr's Mistress in law were no slouches, but Clinton just had no taste when it came to women.


I think most presidents since Lincoln's time have had a gal on the side. Abe seems to have preferred sleeping with men - rugged men.


Were any of them ever questioned about who paid the bills?


Terry

Your 'whataboutisms' makes it sounds like you admire Trump's opportunistic ethics.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 23, 2018, 03:00:21 AM
As Lanny Davis is no fool, his statement most likely means that he already knows that the information the Cohen will/has 'proffered' on Trump is of such high value that Cohen's sentence(s) will likely be minimal (so a pardon would be of little or no value).

Title: "Cohen won't accept pardon from Trump, attorney says"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/22/michael-cohen-trump-lanny-davis-helsinki-791359

Extract: "President Donald Trump's former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen will "under no circumstances" accept a pardon from his former boss, Cohen's attorney Lanny Davis said Wednesday."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 23, 2018, 03:11:38 AM
Trump is so use to his standby 'he said, she said' defense that he apparently is forgetting that the DOJ has already seized an overwhelming number of documents from Cohen that may very likely substantiate his testimony:

Title: "Trump, White House deny wrongdoing after Cohen plea deal"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-white-house-deny-wrongdoing-after-cohen-plea-deal/ar-BBMiue6?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "The White House pushed back forcefully on Wednesday against suggestions that a plea deal struck by President Donald Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen implicated Trump in a crime."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 23, 2018, 06:03:22 AM
Re: Awan : "Wonder who he finked out? "

He had high powered help. Lawyer from the Clintons, and Wasserman Schulz relative in the DC fed office.

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 23, 2018, 07:04:54 AM
Re: Awan : "Wonder who he finked out? "

He had high powered help. Lawyer from the Clintons, and Wasserman Schulz relative in the DC fed office.

sidd


Now that you mention it I do recall something about a Wassermann Schultz relative having something to do with the prosecution.


Friends, and co-conspirators relatives in high places always helps, but surely you don't think that having had years of access to all of the E-Mails of Democratic Congressmen could gave been a factor.


Equal Justice for all
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 23, 2018, 09:28:37 AM
Re: Awan

He ain't out of the woods yet. A lot of people in Pakistan want a piece of him. Rosiak at dailycaller has been follwing this forawhile.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/21/imran-awan-no-jail-time-hospital/

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 23, 2018, 10:37:35 AM
Thanks for the link sidd
WOW
Thanks for the link


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 23, 2018, 03:59:14 PM
We will see whether Manafort eventually gets convicted on the 10 counts that were declared a mistrial:

Title: "Manafort juror reveals lone holdout prevented Mueller team from winning conviction on all counts"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html

Extract: "Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team was one holdout juror away from winning a conviction against Paul Manafort on all 18 counts of bank and tax fraud, juror Paula Duncan told Fox News in an exclusive interview Wednesday.

“It was one person who kept the verdict from being guilty on all 18 counts,” Duncan, 52, said."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 23, 2018, 04:34:10 PM

Extract: "Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team was one holdout juror away from winning a conviction against Paul Manafort on all 18 counts of bank and tax fraud, juror Paula Duncan told Fox News in an exclusive interview Wednesday.

“It was one person who kept the verdict from being guilty on all 18 counts,” Duncan, 52, said."

I fear Paula Duncan will regret taking the interview, regardless of how much she was paid.  She revealed both her own identity and how she voted on each count of one of the most important and controversial trials of the century.  She may require police protection for quite some time.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on August 23, 2018, 05:10:14 PM
I think Paula Duncan did the right thing by speaking out publicly.  Everyone now knows it was a hung jury by a lone holdout on those ten counts.  I think that was about halfway through the deliberations that the jury asked about reasonable doubt.

It will also likely effect how Paul Manafort looks at his chances in his next trial ... in a district and judge that will not likely be as friendly to the defense as the Virginia judge.

After Traitor Don is undressed and shown to a REAL TRAITOR .... and Duncan will be looked upon as doing the right thing by most everyone in the public.

The NEXT step in this process is now in the hands of the state of New York to ensure that New York will make their intensions known (to bring charges against Manafort) and to begin acting on those intensions.

The state of New York could also look at indicting Trump as well.  For instance, they could bring indict Trump on one of the less prominent charges ..... in order to provide a “test” to the Supreme Court.  I would think the the State of New York in brought into discussions by the feds.

There are, no doubt, several different ways that legal actions can proceed, and as more and more information comes out in coming days and weeks, we will hear more about the various options that state and federal prosecutors have.

In the meantime ...... cement begins to setup around the feet of Republican Congressmen.  Some of them will break free of that cement, and some of them will be buried by Trump’s cement.

Tick .... tick .... tick Donnie boy.  Time is a wasting .....
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 23, 2018, 08:21:03 PM
Hopefully Mueller will take a lot of actions by the midterm election, just incase Sessions is replaced immediately thereafter.

Title: "Key Republicans Signal Trump May Fire Sessions After Election"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-23/graham-says-he-expects-trump-to-oust-sessions-after-elections

Extract: "Two key Republican senators signaled to President Donald Trump that he could replace Attorney General Jeff Sessions after the midterm elections in November, a move that would open the way for firing Robert Mueller or constraining his probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

“The president’s entitled to an attorney general he has faith in, somebody that’s qualified for the job, and I think there will come a time, sooner rather than later, where it will be time to have a new face and a fresh voice at the Department of Justice,” Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who may be in line to head the Judiciary Committee next year, told reporters Thursday. “Clearly, Attorney General Sessions doesn’t have the confidence of the president.”

Sessions defended his performance in a statement Thursday, saying “we have had unprecedented success at effectuating the President’s agenda.” He added, “While I am Attorney General, the actions of the Department of Justice will not be improperly influenced by political considerations.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 23, 2018, 09:06:56 PM
Hopefully Mueller will take a lot of actions by the midterm election, just incase Sessions is replaced immediately thereafter.

Title: "Key Republicans Signal Trump May Fire Sessions After Election"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-23/graham-says-he-expects-trump-to-oust-sessions-after-elections (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-23/graham-says-he-expects-trump-to-oust-sessions-after-elections)

Extract: "Two key Republican senators signaled to President Donald Trump that he could replace Attorney General Jeff Sessions after the midterm elections in November, a move that would open the way for firing Robert Mueller or constraining his probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

“The president’s entitled to an attorney general he has faith in, somebody that’s qualified for the job, and I think there will come a time, sooner rather than later, where it will be time to have a new face and a fresh voice at the Department of Justice,” Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who may be in line to head the Judiciary Committee next year, told reporters Thursday. “Clearly, Attorney General Sessions doesn’t have the confidence of the president.”

Sessions defended his performance in a statement Thursday, saying “we have had unprecedented success at effectuating the President’s agenda.” He added, “While I am Attorney General, the actions of the Department of Justice will not be improperly influenced by political considerations.”"
He didn't say that his DOJ wouldn't be influenced by political considerations, rather that they wouldn't be improperly influenced.  :-\
Parsing even an old lawyers words requires attention to detail.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Tor Bejnar on August 23, 2018, 10:04:36 PM
Quote
He didn't say that his DOJ wouldn't be influenced by political considerations, rather that they wouldn't be improperly influenced. 
Parsing even an old lawyers words requires attention to detail.
My coworkers and friends hate it when I do what you just did.  Thanks a million!  Keep up the good work.  (I suppose it is smarter to do this to those you oppose.)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 24, 2018, 12:18:52 AM
Quote
He didn't say that his DOJ wouldn't be influenced by political considerations, rather that they wouldn't be improperly influenced. 
Parsing even an old lawyers words requires attention to detail.
My coworkers and friends hate it when I do what you just did.  Thanks a million!  Keep up the good work.  (I suppose it is smarter to do this to those you oppose.)


Unfortunately I'm opposed to every dog in this fight.
Trump and his entourage are despicable excuses for the executive.
Mueller and his machinations leave one fearing that the entire concept of justice has been irretrievably lost.
The pen may be mightier than the sword, but in Modern America it's as crooked as a Saracen's Scimitar.


The rule of law, as skewed as it had become, deserved a respectful eulogy to mark it's passing, not the cackling cacophony of gleeful giggling now echoing from once staid chambers.
 
Gotcha journalism is bad journalism, gotcha justice is no justice at all.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 24, 2018, 12:25:20 AM
Now that Trump realizes how much trouble he is in, I believe that he will do everything in his power to shut-down the Mueller Investigation shortly after the midterm elections (as doing so before would likely cost more GOP Congressional seats).

Title: "‘He’s Unraveling’: Why Cohen’s Betrayal Terrifies Trump"

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/22/michael-cohen-donald-trump-plea-betray-flip-219381

Extract: "Perhaps for the first time, an insider has bitten back—hard."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 24, 2018, 12:41:56 AM
Now that Trump realizes how much trouble he is in, I believe that he will do everything in his power to shut-down the Mueller Investigation shortly after the midterm elections (as doing so before would likely cost more GOP Congressional seats).

Title: "‘He’s Unraveling’: Why Cohen’s Betrayal Terrifies Trump"

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/22/michael-cohen-donald-trump-plea-betray-flip-219381 (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/22/michael-cohen-donald-trump-plea-betray-flip-219381)

Extract: "Perhaps for the first time, an insider has bitten back—hard."


When a lawyer's betrayal of his client is celebrated, it's not just Trump who is terrified.
Orwell was but a few decades off.


War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Betrayal is Noble


Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 24, 2018, 02:20:58 AM
Trump can't even trust his close friend David Pecker to keep his dirt safe anymore:

Title: "AP: National Enquirer hid damaging Trump stories in a safe"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ap-national-enquirer-hid-damaging-trump-stories-in-a-safe/ar-BBMlzUc?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "The National Enquirer kept a safe containing documents on hush money payments and other damaging stories it killed as part of its cozy relationship with Donald Trump leading up to the 2016 presidential election, people familiar with the arrangement told The Associated Press.

The detail came as several media outlets reported on Thursday that federal prosecutors had granted immunity to National Enquirer chief David Pecker, potentially laying bare his efforts to protect his longtime friend Trump."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on August 24, 2018, 03:57:11 AM
Trump can't even trust his close friend David Pecker to keep his dirt safe anymore:

Title: "AP: National Enquirer hid damaging Trump stories in a safe"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ap-national-enquirer-hid-damaging-trump-stories-in-a-safe/ar-BBMlzUc?ocid=spartandhp

Extract: "The National Enquirer kept a safe containing documents on hush money payments and other damaging stories it killed as part of its cozy relationship with Donald Trump leading up to the 2016 presidential election, people familiar with the arrangement told The Associated Press.

The detail came as several media outlets reported on Thursday that federal prosecutors had granted immunity to National Enquirer chief David Pecker, potentially laying bare his efforts to protect his longtime friend Trump."

Now Trump is in deepest doo doo.

The National Enquirer is "Fox News on drugs" as Rachel Maddow just put it. Watch her collection of hilarious Hillary covers. David J. Pecker's American Media company has produced some more pearls which The Onion couldn't make up, like a magazine about "Trump Style". And, more seriously, there's The Magic Kingdom of Saud...

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pecker
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Martin Gisser on August 24, 2018, 02:13:25 PM
Here's the "Fox News on Drugs" thing from TRMS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e4oMar_nh0

Here's my only doubt about Russiagate: How can those morons you see at Trump rallies have the intelligence to use Facebook? Answer: They read the National Enquirer.

Trump seriously suggested it deserves a Pulitzer.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on August 24, 2018, 04:43:35 PM
The “pro Trump” juror in the Manafort trial that interviewed on FOX, spells bad news for Trump.  She WANTED Manafort to be innocent, but the facts were overwhelming.  She also thinks that the Mueller investigation is a “Witch hunt” and the charges against Manafort are only an attempt to get to Trump.  What happens when Trump voters like her are presented with REAL evidence of conspiracy and collusion by the Trump team with the Russians?  THAT is coming.  It is only a matter of time. 

FOX can avoid the news as much as they want .... the truth isn’t leaving. 
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 24, 2018, 05:42:22 PM
Assuming that Mueller report eventually recommends impeachment of Trump, you can expect the GOP leadership to turn on Trump just before the stock market peaks, so they can blame the subsequent downturn on the impeachment:

Title: "After a Trump Impeachment, Expect the Market to Bounce"

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-23/after-trump-impeachment-expect-an-economic-recovery

Extract: "His party probably won’t turn against him until an economic downturn is near its trough. That’s what happened to Nixon."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: crandles on August 24, 2018, 05:52:16 PM
What happens when Trump voters like her are presented with REAL evidence of conspiracy and collusion by the Trump team with the Russians?  THAT is coming.  It is only a matter of time. 

If that happens, why do you think it will be any different?

Of course there is bad news here for Trump, in that while 1 in 12 are die hard Trump supporters but that means about 5 in 12 short of what he needs when it comes to reelection. (Also 1 in 12 may not be enough to stop retrials. OTOH he is unlikely to lose all Senate seats at mid-terms before such evidence is presented.)
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on August 24, 2018, 06:08:00 PM
It’s always bad news when the CFO of your company is granted immunity.  The news for Donnie goes from horrible to tragic in two days.

When is Donnie visiting Russia?  Donnie has two choices:  Flee to Russia or sit his broad, fat ass in jail the rest of his life.  Will be interesting to see which one he chooses.

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 24, 2018, 06:27:37 PM
Dangling the prospect of a pardon in front of Manfort due to 'unfair' government treatment, is obstruction of justice:

Title: "Paul Manafort and Trump’s Pardon Pattern"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/paul-manafort-and-trumps-pardon-pattern/568438/

Extract: "As he has with Manafort, President Trump has decried the government’s “unfair” treatment of all three men he has pardoned to date. But will the pattern hold with his former campaign manager?"

Edit, see also:

Title: "Giuliani’s comments add confusion about possible Manafort pardon"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/23/trump-manafort-pardon-giuliani-795131
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 24, 2018, 06:36:15 PM
You can bet that this action is just the tip of the iceberg and that the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York (SDNY) investigators will continue prying deeper into the president’s business affairs and associates.  Plus, Trump cannot stop this investigation by just firing Rosenberg and then Mueller:

Title: "Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg gets immunity"

https://www.axios.com/trump-organization-cfo-allen-weisselberg-immunity-2113f394-30da-4ac8-ac22-08db8d7c624c.html

Extract: "Allen Weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer for the Trump organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors for providing information about Michael Cohen and the 2016 payments he made to two women during the 2016 presidential campaign who alleged they had sexual encounters with the president, the Wall Street Journal reports.

A top Washington white collar attorney told Axios that this “could be really big deal but unclear if it’s limited to past Cohen stuff which culminated in his plea or if it’s ongoing. But clearly prosecutors thought he had something of value in return for giving immunity. There had to be some 'showing' by his counsel to get the immunity.”"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 24, 2018, 07:14:07 PM
Trump continues his efforts to politicize the DOJ, for his own personal benefit:

Title: "Trump Tells Jeff Sessions: Go After My Enemies"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-responds-jeff-sessions_us_5b7fdcf2e4b072951511fffd

Extract: "The attorney general disagreed with Trump's initial claim that he "never took control" of the DOJ"
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: SteveMDFP on August 24, 2018, 07:29:39 PM

A top Washington white collar attorney told Axios that this “could be really big deal but unclear if it’s limited to past Cohen stuff which culminated in his plea or if it’s ongoing. But clearly prosecutors thought he had something of value in return for giving immunity. There had to be some 'showing' by his counsel to get the immunity.”"

It's widely judged that the Trump Organization has been involved in a lot of shady dealings, plausibly including tax fraud, bank fraud, campaign finance violations, money laundering, and I'm confident much more.  Weisselberg would share culpability in *all* of it.  So his counsel, in negotiating for immunity, most surely would have indicated all of what Weisselberg has to show, so that immunity can be granted for all of it.

It's a hell of a hornet's nest buzzing now.  The stress on the Trump clan must be unimaginable. 

Moral of the story:  unless your past is squeaky-clean, don't even think about seeking high-profile public office. 

When the congressional republicans run for the exits, expect a sudden flash flood of almost all of them at once.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 24, 2018, 10:49:51 PM
Mueller's 'speaking indictments' may be preparing Congress for what is yet to come:

Title: "Mueller's 'speaking indictments' offer clues to strategy"

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/402902-muellers-speaking-indictments-offer-clues-to-strategy

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller has made use of an unusual legal tool that has allowed him to build a narrative about Russian interference in the presidential election while quietly pressing forward with his investigation behind the scenes.

Mueller has made frequent use of “speaking indictments” — a colloquial term used by attorneys and legal experts to describe indictments that go into more detail, and provide more facts, than what is required under law.
..
… Mueller’s investigation is unique, given the intense public appetite for answers on an issue that has captivated the country for well over a year. Mueller’s findings are likely to carry enormous political and national security implications."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: wili on August 24, 2018, 10:57:38 PM
Steve wrote: "...unless your past is squeaky-clean, don't even think about seeking high-profile public office. ..."

No, the lesson is: "Don't run for office if you are the head of a major crime syndicate"

You can be a long, long way from 'squeaky clean' and be just fine. But if you are essentially a mafia boss, lots of people are going to eventually take a closer look at your criminal activity if you choose to run for a major office and then become the office holder.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 25, 2018, 06:30:43 PM
Team Trump may collectively be too blind to understand that their arguments would never stand-up in a court of law:

Title: "It Depends on What the Meaning of the Word Obstruction Is"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/trump-obstruction-of-justice-the-president-doesnt-realize-don-mcgahn-may-have-already-given-mueller-everything-he-needs.html

Extract: "Why Trump doesn’t realize White House Counsel Don McGahn may have already given Robert Mueller everything he needs."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 25, 2018, 06:39:08 PM
As Team Trump's argument make no valid legal sense, it appears that their entire strategy is that: a) Mueller cannot indict a sitting president and b) after a Democrat control House impeaches Trump in early 2019, that Team Trump's nonsense argument provides sufficient political cover for at least 34 Senators to vote against removal:

Title: "Trump is latching on to a popular right-wing talking point about Michael Cohen that experts say is 'nonsense'"

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-michael-cohen-crimes-not-crimes-talking-point-2018-8

Extract: "President Donald Trump has echoed a popular right-wing talking point in recent days as his latest defense from the plea deal to which his former longtime lawyer Michael Cohen agreed earlier this week.

The campaign-finance crimes Cohen pleaded guilty to? Well, they aren't actually crimes, Trump and others say. It's an argument that campaign-finance experts say is "nonsense."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 27, 2018, 04:23:24 PM
The linked article indicates that the road to potential impeachment of Trump would be smoother if the Democrats win control of the House, but I still believe that under our current 'extraordinary circumstances' that Mueller could obtain permission from Rosenstein to indict Trump while he is in office:

Title: "‘Sleeper’ case could torpedo Mueller report"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/27/robert-mueller-special-counsel-report-sleeper-case-797373

Extract: "A little-noticed court case stemming from the apparent murder of a Columbia University professor six decades ago could keep special counsel Robert Mueller from publishing any information about the Trump campaign and Russia that he obtains through a Washington grand jury.
..
If Democrats win control of the House in November, the whole debate is likely academic. In that scenario, the House Judiciary Committee could subpoena any report as part of an impeachment inquiry. A judge would likely approve that request because of a D.C. Circuit ruling in 1974 that approved transmission of a report to the House on President Richard Nixon’s actions in Watergate."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on August 28, 2018, 04:10:31 PM
I wonder how beneficial the second Manafort trial will be for the Republicans in November?  That should be a big help for them.  It will be a chance for Manafort and his legal team to show the American people just what a “witch hunt” the whole Russian thing has been.

Yea .... I’m sure Traitor Don is looking forward to the next trial .... about as much as looking forward to a root canal. 😱
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: mostly_lurking on August 28, 2018, 04:15:47 PM
I wonder how beneficial the second Manafort trial will be for the Republicans in November?  That should be a big help for them.  It will be a chance for Manafort and his legal team to show the American people just what a “witch hunt” the whole Russian thing has been.

Yea .... I’m sure Traitor Don is looking forward to the next trial .... about as much as looking forward to a root canal. 😱
Hope you aren't counting on Cohen and his ridicules lawyer.Seems all these lawyers (like..Avenatti) are out to get media exposure and nothing else.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 29, 2018, 02:50:26 AM
In the other witch hunt, Bruce Ohr on the griddle, looks like Simpson on deck followed by Nellie Ohr.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/404084-house-republicans-say-ohr-interview-escalates-surveillance-concerns

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/28/bruce-ohr-congressional-interview-799031

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 29, 2018, 08:53:57 PM
The rats are leaving the sinking ship:

Sources: Second Trump Org employee discussed immunity deal

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/29/politics/trump-organization-employee-immunity-deal/index.html

Extract: "A second Trump Organization employee discussed a potential immunity deal with the federal prosecutors who charged Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former personal attorney, according to people familiar with the matter."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 29, 2018, 08:59:54 PM
Trump has pushed McGahn out, so he can cherry pick the successor.  Similarly, after Kavanaugh has been confirmed you can expect Trump to push Sessions out, so he can also cherry pick a replacement AG:

Title: "Trump confirms White House counsel Don McGahn will depart in the fall"

https://www.axios.com/trump-tweet-don-mcgahn-leaving-a1942385-5de0-48ff-9fe4-80835efdb232.html

Extract: "President Trump tweeted Wednesday that White House counsel Don McGahn will leave his position in the fall, confirming Axios' reporting.

White House Counsel Don McGahn will be leaving his position in the fall, shortly after the confirmation (hopefully) of Judge Brett Kavanaugh to the United States Supreme Court. I have worked with Don for a long time and truly appreciate his service!

Why it matters: Per Axios' Jonathan Swan, McGhan's departure "potentially puts a successor in charge of fielding a blizzard of requests or subpoenas for documents and testimony if Democrats win control of the House in the midterms.""

Edit: However, it is not clear to me that 50 Senators (plus Pence's tiebreaker) would be willing to approve any replacement for Sessions who would be willing to fire Rosenstein/Mueller.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 29, 2018, 09:26:24 PM
Apparently, Manafort is now warming to the idea of cutting a plea deal with Mueller.  However, the longer he waits to proffer serious information, the less leverage he will have to cut a sweet deal because as more and more other people flip on Trump, this progressively makes Manafort's information less and less valuable to Mueller.

Title: "Manafort Was Reportedly Trying to Negotiate a Deal Ahead of Second Trial"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/manafort-was-reportedly-trying-to-negotiate-a-deal-ahead-of-second-trial.html

Extract: "Before former Trump campaign head Paul Manafort was found guilty on eight counts relating to bank and tax fraud last week, the Wall Street Journal reports Manfort’s legal team was actively negotiating a deal with prosecutors on a second set of charges set to go to trial in September, including charges of obstruction of justice, Manafort’s failure to register as a foreign agent, and conspiracy to launder money. The two sides were unable to come to agreement to avoid another trial because of issues raised by Special Counsel Robert Mueller himself about the potential agreement, according to the Journal. The exact details of Mueller’s objection remain unknown.

The negotiations, however, are an indication that Manafort is warming to the idea of cooperating with prosecutors after, for months, refusing to play ball with Mueller’s team."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 29, 2018, 09:43:41 PM
Yet another example of direct 'witness tampering', one day after Ohr testified behind closed doors with congressional investigators:

Title: "Trump asks 'how the hell' Bruce Ohr still works at the Justice Department"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/29/trump-criticize-bruce-ohr-801684

Extract: " President Donald Trump on Wednesday launched another pointed attack against Bruce Ohr, the Justice Department official who has drawn intense scrutiny from Capitol Hill Republicans, asking on Twitter “how the hell” he still has a job at the DOJ.

“How the hell is Bruce Ohr still employed at the Justice Department? Disgraceful! Witch Hunt!” Trump tweeted.

The message came one day after Ohr appeared behind closed doors with congressional investigators, who grilled him about the timing of his contacts with Fusion GPS, the firm that worked with former British spy Christopher Steele to create and distribute a salacious dossier about Trump’s relationship with Russia."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 30, 2018, 12:06:49 AM
The head of the conservative think tank 'Center for the National Interest', had direct interaction with Maria Butina:

Title: "Maria Butina: Private Messages Reveal Accused Russian Spy’s True Ties to D.C. Wise Man"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/maria-butina-private-messages-reveal-accused-russian-spys-true-ties-to-dc-wise-man

Extract: "The head of the Center for the National Interest said his interaction with Butina was limited, but emails and direct messages show it was closer than previously understood."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 30, 2018, 12:42:29 AM
We will see what comes of Manafort's request:

Title: "Manafort asks for D.C. trial to be moved to Roanoke, Va."

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/404150-manafort-asks-for-dc-trial-to-be-moved-to-roanoke-va

Extract: "Attorneys for former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort are urging a federal district court judge to move his second criminal trial from Washington, D.C., to Roanoke, Va., citing a biased jury pool."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on August 30, 2018, 04:38:58 AM
Wait, what ? Mifsud talked to the FBI ? In Feb 2017 ?

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/404275-what-professor-really-told-fbi-about-trump-russia-and-papadopoulos

sidd






Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: TerryM on August 30, 2018, 10:15:47 AM
Wait, what ? Mifsud talked to the FBI ? In Feb 2017 ?

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/404275-what-professor-really-told-fbi-about-trump-russia-and-papadopoulos (http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/404275-what-professor-really-told-fbi-about-trump-russia-and-papadopoulos)

sidd


From your above link.

"It makes you wonder if what has gone on so far is not the pursuit of criminal conduct but, instead, is the criminalizing of perfectly normal political conduct."

Something more than a few of us have been discussing for some time.
Terry
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on August 31, 2018, 12:35:16 PM
Mueller’s team has asked for an extension of time to consider re-trying the ten counts that were “hung” in the first Manafort trial.  This gives Mueller’s team more options in dealing with Manafort, especially if the two sides are still trying to work out a plea deal (as I now suspect).

It gives Mueller s “bigger hammer” in dealing with Manafort.  The walls are really starting to close in on Traitor Donnie. 
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 31, 2018, 05:28:56 PM
The tangled web of deceit and corruption is slowly coming into focus:

Title: "Manafort associate Sam Patten charged in Mueller probe"

https://www.axios.com/sam-patten-mueller-investigation-paul-manafort-73735c9c-ba0f-4476-9e88-f208ec7efb96.html

Extract: "Sam Patten, a former associate of ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, was charged on Friday for failing to register as a foreign agent for his involvement with a Ukrainian political party, Bloomberg reports.

Why it matters: This is yet another person taken down by the far-reaching Mueller investigation. And, as Axios' Mike Allen reported, there is still a lot of evidence the special counsel has — or could have — that we have yet to seen."

Edit, Sam Patten has now flipped:

Title: "Robert Mueller got another cooperator"

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/31/17805310/sam-patten-mueller-plea-manafort

Extract: "Sam Patten, an associate of Paul Manafort and Cambridge Analytica, struck a plea deal."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 31, 2018, 08:52:12 PM
Here is clear evidence that Trump's efforts to try to discredit Bruce Ohr amounts to witness tampering:

Title: "DOJ lawyer Bruce Ohr was told Russia had Trump "over a barrel" in 2016"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/justice-department-lawyer-bruce-ohr-was-told-russia-had-trump-over-a-barrel-in-2016/

Extract: "A senior Justice Department lawyer says a former British spy told him at a breakfast meeting two years ago that Russian intelligence believed it had then-candidate Donald Trump "over a barrel," according to multiple people familiar with the encounter.

The lawyer, Bruce Ohr, also says he learned that a Trump campaign aide had met with higher-level Russian officials than the aide had acknowledged, the people said.

The previously unreported details of the July 30, 2016, breakfast with Christopher Steele, which Ohr described to lawmakers this week in a private interview, reveal an exchange of potentially explosive information about Mr. Trump between two men the president has relentlessly sought to discredit."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 31, 2018, 11:34:51 PM
For those who are interested:

Title: "Proof of Collusion: How Trump Betrayed America by Seth Abramson"

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/proof-of-collusion-seth-abramson/1129438460?ean=9781982116088

Extract: "For the first time, the full, explosive record of the unthinkable: how a U.S. president compromised American foreign policy in exchange for the promise of future business and covert election assistance.

Looking back at this moment in history, historians will ask if Americans knew they were living through the first case of criminal conspiracy between an American presidential candidate turned commander in chief and a geopolitical enemy. The answer might be: it was hard to see the whole picture. The stories coming in from around the globe have often seemed fantastical: clandestine meetings in foreign capitals, secret recordings in a Moscow hotel, Kremlin agents infiltrating the Trump inner circle …

Seth Abramson has tracked every one of these far-flung reports and now in, Proof of Collusion, he finally gives us a record of the unthinkable—a president compromising American foreign policy in exchange for the promise of future business and covert election assistance. The attorney, professor, and former criminal investigator has used his exacting legal mind and forensic acumen to compile, organize, and analyze every piece of the Trump-Russia story. His conclusion is clear: the case for collusion is staring us in the face. Drawing from American and European news outlets, he takes readers through the Trump-Russia scandal chronologically, putting the developments in context and showing how they connect. His extraordinary march through all the public evidence includes:

•   How Trump worked for thirty years to expand his real estate empire into Russia even as he was rescued from bankruptcy by Putin’s oligarchs and Kremlin agents
•   How Russian intelligence gathered compromising material on him over multiple trips
•   How Trump recruited Russian allies and business partners while running for president
•   How he surrounded himself with advisers who engaged in clandestine negotiations with Russia
•   How Trump aides and family members held secret meetings with foreign agents and lied about them

By pulling every last thread of this complicated story together, Abramson argues that—even in the absence of a Congressional investigation or a report from Special Counsel Mueller—the public record already indicates a quid pro quo between Trump and the Kremlin. The most extraordinary part of the case for collusion is that so much of it unfolded in plain sight."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on August 31, 2018, 11:45:16 PM
Based on Trump's latest tweets, essentially everyone from the FBI, to the U.S. intelligence community, to the MSM, were all conspiring against Trump even before the 2016 election.  Such insinuations beggar belief.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: wili on September 01, 2018, 12:21:26 AM
But as his tweets get ever more deranged, he is convincing fewer and fewer people, even among the basest of his base:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/31/trump-approval-rating-poll-washington-post-abc-805563

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/trump-disapproval-at-60-percent-in-new-poll-1310509123679?v=railb

Only 18% think he should pardon Manifort. That means half of the most basic core of his base doesn't buy it when tRump says that Manifort is a great guy and that his loss in court is a sad thing.

This is how it starts. If they finally find one thing that they don't agree with their fearless leader on, inevitably others will follow...
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on September 01, 2018, 06:53:38 AM
Drawing from American and European news outlets.... say no more. I'm totally convinced it's all true. It's the media by god man, and they never get anything wrong.

As opposed to the Russian "news" outlets you prefer, which don't seem to be able to get ANYTHING right :
http://www.russialies.com/
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on September 01, 2018, 09:34:24 AM
I don't prefer Russian "news" outlets you liar. 

Yet your next post has an RT link (regarding the death of Zakharchenko).
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1974.msg170725.html#msg170725
Oh. And the next post after that has an RT link too (regarding Syria).
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1974.msg170728.html#msg170728

QED
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on September 01, 2018, 10:16:56 AM
I added some links to my post, so we can all see who the lying fool is.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on September 01, 2018, 10:42:52 AM
I added some links to my post, so we can all see who the lying fool is.

Yes, sure can.

They can also peruse this next link and work it out for themselves without your opinionated disinformation, lies, and ad hominem trolling getting in the way of the truth.
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=1944

Well, look at that. There are two more posts that you made which reference RT.
That's 4 posts that reference RT within 40 minutes.

QED

OK. One post was sarcastically referencing RT. That leaves 3 posts in 40 minutes that reference RT as the source.

Why don't you simply admit that you like referencing Russian "news" media ?
That would be so much better that trying to hide you love of Russian media by calling me names.
It's really simple. Just say : "I like RT".
Go ahead ! You can do it !
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: wili on September 01, 2018, 10:55:29 AM
lurk wrote: "Drawing from American and European news outlets..."

Soooo, to gain your much coveted approval now I should restrict myself to links by news outlets from Asia and Africa??  :o

You really have jumped the shark here, lurk.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on September 01, 2018, 12:27:59 PM
With the indictment of Sam Patten, the Mueller team is now squeezing the Cambridge Analytics angle of the investigation.  Sam Patten used to work for Cambridge Analytics.  If I were Brad Parscale .... Donnie’s computer dude ..... I would be getting very worried about now.  If I were Robert Mercer I would be getting more worried as well.

The investigation continues to “eat the elephant” one bite at a time. 🐘
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: wili on September 01, 2018, 01:05:09 PM
Wow. That wasn't even slightly coherent.

As they say..."Not even wrong"

Get back on your meds and maybe we can have a coherent discussion...but probably not.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 01, 2018, 03:08:28 PM
It's not nice to lie to the FBI even if you are just trying to avoid embarrassing the Trump campaign:

Title: "Papadopoulos lawyers ask for no prison time for lying to FBI amid Russia probe"

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/01/papadopoulos-mueller-russia-probe-prison-lawyers-plea-806110

Extract: "Papadopoulos’ attorneys say he didn’t lie out of concern he was involved in a dastardly plot, but due to more pedestrian worries about his job prospects and avoiding embarrassment to the Trump campaign."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 01, 2018, 03:20:29 PM
For those who are interested:

Title: "Proof of Collusion: How Trump Betrayed America by Seth Abramson"

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/proof-of-collusion-seth-abramson/1129438460?ean=9781982116088

I am confident that Mueller has much more evidence of collusion than Abramson has collected.  It is just that Mueller is prevented by regulation from presenting such evidence to the public until the Democratically controlled House subpoenas his preliminary report on obstruction of justice in late January 2019.

Title: "Robert Mueller's secret files"

https://www.axios.com/robert-mueller-secret-files-russia-investigation-ec344cf7-b875-4b78-a0d9-2b7058e08fcf.html

Extract: "The evidence we've yet to see:
•President Trump's tax returns.
•Trump bank records, which are more valuable than tax returns.
•Internal Trump Organization records.
•More recordings from Michael Cohen.
•Cellphone records (metadata showing calls placed/received and duration) related to the Trump Tower meeting.
•White House and campaign emails and text messages. (Trump's legal team said in January that the White House had produced more than 20,000 pages of materials, and the campaign had provided more than 1.4 million pages.)
•Contemporaneous notes of White House staffers from meetings with Trump.
•A full reconstruction by former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who made a plea deal, of his conversations about Russia and subsequent lies.
•Scores of hours of testimony of Trump insiders (including at least 20 White House personnel) about his private dealings, much of which is unknown to POTUS and the public.
•National Enquirer files revealed by today's N.Y. Times: Trump and Cohen "devised a plan to buy up all the dirt on Mr. Trump that the National Enquirer and its parent company had collected on him, dating back to the 1980s."
•As MSNBC analyst Matt Miller summarized: "Basically, everything!""


Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 01, 2018, 03:49:02 PM
Linked is a document (from the Vox documentcloud) of Papadopoulous' sentencing memorandum:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4807546-Papadopoulos-defense-sentencing-memo.html

Among other newly revealed information this document notes that Papadopoulos says Trump "nodded with approval" when he was told Papadopoulos was a Kremlin intermediary. And Sessions "liked the idea." That means Sessions lied to Congress.

Edit, see also:

Title: "Papadopoulos claims candidate Trump gave nod of ‘approval’ to planning meeting with Putin"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/404665-papadopoulos-claims-candidate-trump-gave-nod-of-approval-to-planning

Extract: "A former campaign aide accused of lying to the FBI said that then-candidate Donald Trump “nodded with approval” at his suggestion of setting up a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 01, 2018, 05:13:03 PM
The linked analysis should make many Team Trump members (including Don Jr) nervous, as there is plenty of evidence that they lied to Congress:

Title: "Lobbyist Admits Lying To Congress in Guilty Plea Foreshadowing Others"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/charlestiefer/2018/08/31/lobbyist-admits-lying-to-congress-in-guilty-plea/#143c203321ff

Extract: "A Washington lobbyist pled guilty Friday to charges including lying to, and obstructing, the Senate Intelligence Committee’s Russia investigation. It may be the first charges citing the Senate’s Russia probe, and thereby foreshadows a potential host of charges to come.

Samuel Patten, a Washington lobbyist, made a plea and cooperation agreement. The core charge was that he helped steer foreign money to the Trump inaugural. However, the charging document spanned several areas. Patten lied about inauguration tickets to the Senate committee in January. While testifying, he tried to hide his connections to a Ukrainian oligarch, and a Russian national, with whom he worked.

Of course, the Senate is currently majority Republican. Although it has notable accomplishments, it cannot go further than Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will let it. Moreover, other Senate committees have not been given the room to go that Senate Intelligence has. I was a witness before one Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing chaired by Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).  He was gracious to invite me and listened to what I had to say about how Congress could investigate at the same time as the Justice Department. He was sophisticated about these matters and, if allowed, would do a good job. But, I was told privately that the Senate leadership kept Graham on a “short leash.

If the House becomes Democratic after the November midterm election, there would no doubt be a number of House investigations. These might well look into the Russia matter and its diverse aspects, the policies of the Trump administration, or both.

Then Sam Patten would be a harbinger. Other Trump figures would face the same dilemma he did: tell the truth or face the consequences.”
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 02, 2018, 01:12:26 AM
Linked is a document (from the Vox documentcloud) of Papadopoulous' sentencing memorandum:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4807546-Papadopoulos-defense-sentencing-memo.html

Among other newly revealed information this document notes that Papadopoulos says Trump "nodded with approval" when he was told Papadopoulos was a Kremlin intermediary. And Sessions "liked the idea." That means Sessions lied to Congress.

Edit, see also:

Title: "Papadopoulos claims candidate Trump gave nod of ‘approval’ to planning meeting with Putin"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/404665-papadopoulos-claims-candidate-trump-gave-nod-of-approval-to-planning

Extract: "A former campaign aide accused of lying to the FBI said that then-candidate Donald Trump “nodded with approval” at his suggestion of setting up a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin."

To be clear this sentencing memo implies that Mueller believes (& has witnesses to support his belief) that in a meeting on March 31, 2016, Trump approved of Papadopoulos setting-up a back channel from the Trump campaign to Putin.  As Sessions was in the meeting (and was thus presumably a party to this conspiracy), this may very well mean that Sessions is already a cooperating witness to Mueller.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on September 03, 2018, 09:27:58 PM
China responds to allegations that they hacked Clinton's email server:

--
 Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying ...

“Such allegations are nothing new,”

 Hua noted that cybersecurity is a global issue concerning the interests of all countries and must be protected by the international community, adding that those who care about cybersecurity will remember the PRISM program, the “Equation Group,” and the WannaCry ransomware, which ravaged computers systems worldwide and which was set off by some country busy designing offensive cyber weapons.

“China is a staunch champion of cyber security and firmly opposes and cracks down on all forms of cyber attacks and espionage activities,” she said. “China believes that the international community should jointly address threats to cyber security through dialogue and cooperation on the basis of mutual respect, equality and mutual benefit.”

--

I read that carefully and i don't actually see a denial in there ...


http://en.people.cn/n3/2018/0830/c90000-9495572.html


sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: jacksmith4tx on September 03, 2018, 11:17:59 PM
China responds to allegations that they hacked Clinton's email server:

--
 Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying ...

“Such allegations are nothing new,”

 Hua noted that cybersecurity is a global issue concerning the interests of all countries and must be protected by the international community, adding that those who care about cybersecurity will remember the PRISM program, the “Equation Group,” and the WannaCry ransomware, which ravaged computers systems worldwide and which was set off by some country busy designing offensive cyber weapons.

“China is a staunch champion of cyber security and firmly opposes and cracks down on all forms of cyber attacks and espionage activities,” she said. “China believes that the international community should jointly address threats to cyber security through dialogue and cooperation on the basis of mutual respect, equality and mutual benefit.”

--

I read that carefully and i don't actually see a denial in there ...


http://en.people.cn/n3/2018/0830/c90000-9495572.html


sidd

No denial, but there's this:
"The Chinese are favoring an AI assisting with the foreign policy because they feel that it will be free of passion, jealousy and other human emotions."
https://www.analyticsindiamag.com/how-ai-is-running-chinas-foreign-policy/
https://www.analyticsindiamag.com/artificial-intelligence-is-a-key-to-future-international-relations-dynamics/
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Dr Feng Shuai, senior fellow with the Shanghai Institutes for International Studies, said, “It would not even consider the moral factors that conflict with strategic goals… If one side of the strategic game has artificial intelligence technology, and the other side does not, then this kind of strategic game is almost a one-way, transparent confrontation. The actors lacking the assistance of AI will be at an absolute disadvantage in many aspects such as risk judgment, strategy selection, execution efficiency, and decision-making reliability,” he said.
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 05, 2018, 02:47:18 AM
The sly fox is herding his prey ;):

Title: "How Robert Mueller Outfoxed Donald Trump"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-robert-mueller-outfoxed-donald-trump


Extract: "The special prosecutor quietly and subtly played the president, who even now has no real clue what Mueller and his zipped-lipped crew are up to.

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 05, 2018, 02:51:32 AM
I have complete confidence in Mueller's likely game plan:

Title: "Mueller to accept some written answers from Trump: NYT"

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/405054-mueller-to-accept-some-written-answers-from-trump-nyt

Extract: "Special counsel Robert Mueller has reportedly agreed to accept some written answers from President Trump regarding whether Trump's 2016 campaign worked with Russia amid Russia's election interference."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on September 07, 2018, 02:18:13 AM
Setting up the McCabe-Comey matchup:

"[McCabe’s legal team] have disputed Comey’s account of his interactions with McCabe, asserting Comey knew McCabe was authorizing engagement with reporters. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/prosecutors-use-grand-jury-as-investigation-of-andrew-mccabe-intensifies/2018/09/06/aa922b2e-b137-11e8-9a6a-565d92a3585d_story.html

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 07, 2018, 09:32:34 AM
It will be interesting if the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee can produce evidence that Kavanaugh actually did talk about Mueller with the law firm of Mark Kasowitz, who represents Donald Trump:

Title: "The Latest: Trump calls Dems at Kavanaugh hearing 'sick'"

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/politics/article/The-Latest-Kavanaugh-in-email-disputes-Roe-is-13209169.php

Extract: "Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh says he hasn't talked about special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation with White House officials. Nor has he discussed it, he says, with anyone at the law firm of Mark Kasowitz, who has represented President Donald Trump.

Democrats say they fear Kavanaugh would protect Trump if a dispute over the Russia probe reached the high court."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: sidd on September 07, 2018, 11:17:31 PM
Papa gets 2 weeks in pokey, 10K fine

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/papadopoulos-sentenced-14-days-jail-lying-fbi-mueller-probe-n907266

sidd
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Buddy on September 08, 2018, 12:39:40 AM
Kavanaugh looked like that guy in third grade who was trying to avoid a question about what happened to little Johnny’s homework, and Johnny didn’t want to answer the teacher.

Kavanaugh looked REALLY bad ..... and obviously he is hiding something.  It’s just a matter of whether we will find out what it is.  It looked like Kavanaugh strategy was to find any way possible to NOT answer the question.  When that didn’t work, he ultimately lied.

Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 08, 2018, 05:07:12 PM
Did Putin order the murder of Joseph Mifsud?  We may never know.

Title: "DNC Lawyers Raise Prospect That Papadopoulos’s U.K. Contact May Be Dead"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-07/dnc-lawyers-raise-prospect-papadopoulos-u-k-contact-may-be-dead

Extract: " On the day Donald Trump’s former foreign-policy adviser George Papadopoulos was sentenced to two weeks in jail for lying to investigators about his contacts with a U.K. professor peddling dirt from Russian officials about Hillary Clinton, lawyers in an unrelated case raised the prospect the professor, Joseph Mifsud, may be dead.

The Democratic National Committee, which is suing Russia, the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks for interfering in the 2016 election, said in a court filing Friday that it believes all the defendants in the case have been served with the complaint, “with the exception of Mifsud (who is missing and may be deceased).” The lawyers didn’t elaborate."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 08, 2018, 05:23:52 PM
Papa gets 2 weeks in pokey, 10K fine

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/papadopoulos-sentenced-14-days-jail-lying-fbi-mueller-probe-n907266

sidd

This relatively light sentence for a cooperating, first-time offender may very well open a floodgate of proffers from Trump's people (hopefully including Manafort) who want to come clean.  Who knows what dirt on Trump will be proffered for plea deals?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: Rob Dekker on September 09, 2018, 08:34:26 AM
OK, I'll take just one part of this rant :

The Clinton Campaign had damaging information on Donald Trump. Where did they get that from? That came from Russians inside Russia via unknown conduits to Christopher Steele, a UK retired MI6 agent, via Lawyers and then to the DNC and Hillary Clinton.

That damaging information was released into the public domain during the later end of the 2016 Election Campaign and is well known to have damaged Donald Trumps campaign at the time. That's undeniable.

Exactly which information from Steele was that that was "released into the public domain during the later end of the 2016 Election Campaign" and "is well known to have damaged Donald Trumps campaign at the time" ?
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 09, 2018, 07:08:31 PM
We are getting closer to the truth (publicly speaking) about collusion/conspiracy, and I imagine that Mueller has a lot more evidence that cannot be revealed publicly just yet:

Title: "Papadopoulos: My testimony could help demonstrate collusion between Trump campaign and Russia"

http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/405755-papadopoulos-my-testimony-may-help-demonstrate-trump-campaign?__twitter_impression=true

Extract: "Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos suggested Sunday that his testimony could help special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation toward demonstrating collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia."

See also:

Title: "Trump campaign members were 'fully aware' of efforts to set Putin meeting: Papadopoulos"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-papadopoulos-exclusive-interview-week/story?id=57694015

Extract: "George Papadopoulos, the one-time foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump who became swept up in the special counsel investigation, says members of the Trump campaign team were “fully aware” and in many cases supportive of his efforts to broker a summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"I actively sought to leverage my contacts with the professor to host this meeting,” Papadopoulos told ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos in an exclusive interview on "This Week" Sunday. "The campaign was fully aware what I was doing."
...
Stephanopoulos asked Papadopoulos about his meeting with the FBI in January 2017, at which time the former campaign aide said he was "of course" hopeful that he would get a job in the Trump administration.

"It was in that context on January 27, 2017 when you met with the FBI and lied to them about your meetings with [Maltese professor] Joseph Mifsud," Stephanopoulos said. "Why did you lie to them?"

"I found myself pinned between the Department of Justice and the sitting president and having probing questions that I thought might incriminate the sitting president," Papadopoulos said.

"You were trying to protect the president?" Stephanopoulos pressed.

"Of course," Papadopoulos responded."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 10, 2018, 06:43:31 PM
[rhetorical question]

Why would you consider let alone accept the interpretations and selected explanations of a young gullible naive (already proven) lying fool like Papadopoulos? Aside from the fact his reported comments neatly fit your existing beliefs and opinions about RussiaGate that is.

We're no where near getting closer to the truth and I doubt we ever will. People lie. Not just Papadopoulos.

Seth Abramson is not some young gullible naïve fool, and as a lawyer he thinks that there is already enough public evidence of collusion to convince a jury 'beyond a reasonable doubt':

Title: "Proof of Collusion: How Trump Betrayed America by Seth Abramson"

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/proof-of-collusion-seth-abramson/1129438460?ean=9781982116088

Extract: "For the first time, the full, explosive record of the unthinkable: how a U.S. president compromised American foreign policy in exchange for the promise of future business and covert election assistance.

Looking back at this moment in history, historians will ask if Americans knew they were living through the first case of criminal conspiracy between an American presidential candidate turned commander in chief and a geopolitical enemy. The answer might be: it was hard to see the whole picture. The stories coming in from around the globe have often seemed fantastical: clandestine meetings in foreign capitals, secret recordings in a Moscow hotel, Kremlin agents infiltrating the Trump inner circle …

Seth Abramson has tracked every one of these far-flung reports and now in, Proof of Collusion, he finally gives us a record of the unthinkable—a president compromising American foreign policy in exchange for the promise of future business and covert election assistance. The attorney, professor, and former criminal investigator has used his exacting legal mind and forensic acumen to compile, organize, and analyze every piece of the Trump-Russia story. His conclusion is clear: the case for collusion is staring us in the face. Drawing from American and European news outlets, he takes readers through the Trump-Russia scandal chronologically, putting the developments in context and showing how they connect. His extraordinary march through all the public evidence includes:

•   How Trump worked for thirty years to expand his real estate empire into Russia even as he was rescued from bankruptcy by Putin’s oligarchs and Kremlin agents
•   How Russian intelligence gathered compromising material on him over multiple trips
•   How Trump recruited Russian allies and business partners while running for president
•   How he surrounded himself with advisers who engaged in clandestine negotiations with Russia
•   How Trump aides and family members held secret meetings with foreign agents and lied about them

By pulling every last thread of this complicated story together, Abramson argues that—even in the absence of a Congressional investigation or a report from Special Counsel Mueller—the public record already indicates a quid pro quo between Trump and the Kremlin. The most extraordinary part of the case for collusion is that so much of it unfolded in plain sight."
Title: Re: Mueller Investigation & Cohen Investigation
Post by: AbruptSLR on September 11, 2018, 07:41:52 PM
Yet another experienced lawyer believes that Trump will undoubtedly be impeached:

Title: "Watergate attorney says Trump will 'undoubtedly be impeached'"

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/406037-watergate-attorney-says-trump-will-undoubtedly-be-impeached

Extract: "Andrew Hall, who served as an attorney for President Nixon’s top adviser in the Watergate scandal, said in a recent interview that President Trump will "undoubtedly be impeached.”

In a recent interview with The Independent, Hall, who had served as counsel for John Ehrlichman, Nixon’s former senior adviser for domestic affairs who was later convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice and perjury, said he is watching history repeat itself with Trump as more of his associates become caught up in special counsel Robert Muellers probe into Russian election interference.

“The cover-up is always worse than the crime,” the attorney told the British publication. “And this one is very shady. We have a sitting president who will undoubtedly be impeached.”

Hall’s remarks arrive as more bombshell revelations emerge surrounding the release of veteran journalist Bob Woodward’s book about the Trump administration, including the news of an alleged mock interview former Trump attorney John Dowd arranged with the president on Jan. 27 to help Trump prepare for a possibl