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Post by: ivica on July 10, 2018, 10:50:23 AM
I do not know where to put it, but it seems interesting to me:

UK politic
"Corbyn Rocks Parliament After Top Tory Ministers Resign"
https://youtu.be/pfJJFqzr8BA
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on July 10, 2018, 11:47:57 AM
The neuroscience of psychopathy reports some intriguing findings. Posted Jun 08, 2017 by William Hirstein Ph.D.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mindmelding/201706/9-clues-you-may-be-dealing-psychopath

1. Uncaring
2. Shallow Emotions
3. Irresponsibility
4. Insincere Speech
5. Overconfidence
6. Narrowing of Attention
7. Selfishness
8. Inability to Plan for the Future
9. Violence

Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on July 10, 2018, 01:29:50 PM
Douglas Rushkoff: Team Human - mastering the digital (https://youtu.be/wa48ky3TXhE), published on Jul 9, 2018 by Nesta, 8 views
"Listen to Douglas Rushkoff explore the importance of human connection in the digital age."

BTW: Long discussion is OK here, it's not Café ;)

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Post by: ivica on July 10, 2018, 03:25:36 PM
... “The higher or more powerful a position, the more likely that person is going to be a psychopath,” he said. ...

I see that as inevitable result when society is built on destruction (Divide&Conquere, Compete&Destroy, Thugging&Bulling...).
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Post by: ivica on July 13, 2018, 09:47:37 PM
WikiLeaks @wikileaks 7h7 hours ago
"
BREAKING: Big win for @JulianAssange as the Inter-American Court on Human Rights finds right to seek asylum in embassies and that states must give safe passage to embassy asylees.

PDF of the Court's press release: http://www.corteidh.or.cr/docs/comunicados/cp_28_18_eng.pdf …

Backgrournd: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/876837372121493504
"
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Post by: TerryM on July 14, 2018, 02:21:38 AM
WikiLeaks @wikileaks 7h7 hours ago
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BREAKING: Big win for @JulianAssange as the Inter-American Court on Human Rights finds right to seek asylum in embassies and that states must give safe passage to embassy asylees.

PDF of the Court's press release: http://www.corteidh.or.cr/docs/comunicados/cp_28_18_eng.pdf (http://www.corteidh.or.cr/docs/comunicados/cp_28_18_eng.pdf) …

Backgrournd: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/876837372121493504 (https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/876837372121493504)
"
Good news indeed!!
International law is slowly increasing pressure on the rogue regime that has ruled the US for so many decades.
Assange continues to expose the Exceptional Empire even while muted.
Terry



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Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 14, 2018, 03:25:08 AM
WikiLeaks @wikileaks 7h7 hours ago
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BREAKING: Big win for @JulianAssange as the Inter-American Court on Human Rights finds right to seek asylum in embassies and that states must give safe passage to embassy asylees.

PDF of the Court's press release: http://www.corteidh.or.cr/docs/comunicados/cp_28_18_eng.pdf (http://www.corteidh.or.cr/docs/comunicados/cp_28_18_eng.pdf) …

Backgrournd: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/876837372121493504 (https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/876837372121493504)
"
Good news indeed!!
International law is slowly increasing pressure on the rogue regime that has ruled the US for so many decades.
Assange continues to expose the Exceptional Empire even while muted.
Terry

He uses information as a weapon. Our problem is he is "selective" about what and when he releases sensational news. WikiLeaks helped disrupted the Copenhagen climate summit when they released copies of the climategate emails and set back global climate policy for years.

The Zen of WikiLeaks:
"In 2006, Mr. Assange wrote a pair of essays, “State and Terrorist Conspiracies” and “Conspiracy as Governance.” He sees the U.S. as an authoritarian conspiracy. “To radically shift regime behavior we must think clearly and boldly for if we have learned anything, it is that regimes do not want to be changed,” he writes. “Conspiracies take information about the world in which they operate,” he writes, and “pass it around the conspirators and then act on the result.”

His central plan is that leaks will restrict the flow of information among officials—”conspirators” in his view—making government less effective. Or, as Mr. Assange puts it, “We can marginalize a conspiracy’s ability to act by decreasing total conspiratorial power until it is no longer able to understand, and hence respond effectively to its environment. . . . An authoritarian conspiracy that cannot think efficiently cannot act to preserve itself.”
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: jacksmith4tx on July 14, 2018, 02:28:23 PM
ASILurker,

Help me understand the good work Julian Assange has done. How about a short list of his best leaks and how they changed the course of history.

Examples might include where new laws were enacted that protect the common man, caused less violence, improved the environment or helped put criminals in prison and especially how he has caused governments and corporations to be more transparent.

For example a new report was just released by the Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO):
"In 2017, ISOO found that original classification activity (production of new secrets) increased for the first time in four years. At the same time, derivative classification decreased."
https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2018/07/isoo-crossroads/

The federal government spent more than $18.3 billion on security classification in fiscal year 2017, with contractors adding another $1.5 billion. Government spending was up 9 percent over the previous year and has almost doubled since 2009.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on July 14, 2018, 06:35:33 PM
#SaveYourInternet
Previously, twice in Café  2  (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg162192.html#msg162192),  1  (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg156878.html#msg156878) and How to secure internet ? (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,189.msg159857.html#msg159857).

Julia Reda @Senficon Jul 7: "Spot-on analysis of why Thursday’s #copyright vote went our way, by the ever-perceptive @technollama: http://infojustice.org/archives/40128  #SaveYourInternet"

"What Can the Copyright Directive Vote Tell Us About the State of Digital Rights? (http://infojustice.org/archives/40128)"
Posted by Andres Guadamuz | Jul 6, 2018 | Academic Resources, Regional Fora

"If you can stomach it (https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1012277517108031488), read this thread featuring a copyright lobbyist attacking Neil Gaiman, who has been just one of the few internet celebrities that have voiced their concerns about the Directive."

One example:
Netopia.eu @netopiaforum Jun 28: "Keep fooling yourself, keep catastrophizing, peddling misinformation or listing fortune tellers in battered old caravans over the back field. Perhaps listen to the facts & trusted, elected officials who will pass the directive, or reject it! 
@EP_Legal ||| #Vote4JURIreport |||"

Neil Gaiman @neilhimself Jun 28: "“Trust officials. Not the people who built the internet, or the Open Rights Group or the EFF...?” You wouldn’t be a lobbyist by any chance?"

Sounds familiar?  ;D
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on July 17, 2018, 06:41:56 PM
https://www.rt.com/news/433501-croatia-president-football-jerseys/

(https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.07/article/5b4df403fc7e933f528b45d6.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(association_football)

(https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.07/original/5b4df845fc7e9398528b45ca.jpg)
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Post by: ivica on August 18, 2018, 12:32:29 AM
Pakistan’s ‘Russiagate’ Elections: Imran Khan and the Rational ‘Villains’ the West Loves to Hate (https://grayzoneproject.com/2018/08/13/pakistans-russiagate-elections-imran-khan-and-the-rational-villains-the-west-loves-to-hate/)
By Junaid S. Ahmad at Grayzone, August 13, 2018.

"The post-election despair of Pakistan’s Western-oriented elites echoes the American establishment’s moral panic over Russian meddling."

"It’s not emphasized enough, but Pakistan’s decision to refuse to participate in the criminal Saudi war on Yemen in 2015 was an historic turning point. It was the beginning of the process of deepening decolonization, since the Saudis and Americans have always expected Pakistan to dance to their tune. "

"Part of it is that Khan has been so deeply critical of US-NATO policies with regard to the ‘Af-Pak’ theatre of the ‘war on terror.’"

Please, read the report.

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Grayzone is not unknown to some members but anyway:
https://grayzoneproject.com/about/
"
The Grayzone Project is an online news website dedicated to original investigative journalism and analysis, edited by Max Blumenthal.

The Grayzone Project is an independent journalistic initiative that takes no money from any government.
"

More titles of current reports:
   How Nicaragua’s ‘Left-Wing’ Opposition MRS Are NGO Opportunists Lobbying the West for Regime Change
   A Response to Misinformation on Nicaragua: It Was a Coup, Not a ‘Massacre’
   “We Don’t Want To Lose Anymore”: Inside the Complex Peace Process That Helped Syrians Find an End to the Fighting
   Meet the Mystery Fixer Who Negotiated Syria Out of Seven Years of War
   More evidence of Libya blowback: UK Navy rescued Manchester suicide bomber
   An Exclusive Interview with Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega
   How Washington and Soft Power NGOs Manipulated Nicaragua’s Death Toll to Drive Regime Change and Sanctions
   An Open Letter To The Guardian On Its Wildly Inaccurate Coverage of Nicaragua
   Ukraine Attacks Journalists Who Reported Israeli Weapons Flow to Its Neo-Nazi Militia
   ...
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on August 18, 2018, 01:41:40 AM
Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal 4h4 hours ago: "And it looks like Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) was just bounced from Twitter for saying mean things about John McCain. Everyone okay with this political purge? And who’s next?"

The latest from Caitlin (https://caitlinjohnstone.com/):

Twitter Shut Down My Account For “Abusing” John McCain (https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2018/08/17/twitter-has-shut-down-my-account-for-abusing-john-mccain/)

How To Beat A Manipulator (https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2018/08/17/how-to-beat-a-manipulator/)
   1. Get Clear On Your Own Will
   2. Watch Where All The Resources Are Going
   3. Watch Actions,Not Their Words
   4. Don’t Try To Out-Manipulate Them
   5. Apply The Manipulator’s Rules In Reverse
   
Take Chances (https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2018/08/15/take-chances/)

Media Manipulation is Conditioning us With False Narratives (https://www.sott.net/article/393582-Media-Manipulation-is-Conditioning-us-With-False-Narratives)
"One of the weirdest things about the post-Iraq invasion world is how the mass media has actually gotten less accountable instead of more accountable for its reporting since that time."
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Post by: sidd on August 18, 2018, 06:47:40 AM
Thans for that article by Ahmad at grayzone.

I posted a comment and a reference at
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,617.msg168061.html#msg168061

I liked Imran Khan when he played cricket, and I have watched his political career over the decades with interest. Bear in mind, tho that the military tipped the scales against Sharif here.

We shall see.

sidd
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on August 18, 2018, 07:59:38 PM
 8) RESISTANCE  8)

Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz 18h18 hours ago: " I'm back! Thanks for making such a huge, powerful noise everyone! "

Update on "Twitter Shut Down My Account For “Abusing” John McCain":

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It looks like the suspension was lifted just after I hit publish on this. A lot of my fans and even a few haters made a big noise in objection to Twitter’s actions, and it worked! As we discussed recently, the plutocratic manipulators work so hard to manufacture our consent because they need that consent, and they can’t act if we don’t give it to them. I’ve left the article as-is below for posterity, and so people can see my experience with #Resistance Twitter’s attempt to silence dissident speech. Never stop fighting.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/twitter-has-shut-down-my-account-for-abusing-john-mccain-25e7be909f4d
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: TerryM on August 18, 2018, 10:44:37 PM
Corporate Censorship might make an interesting campaign plank - for any candidate not feeding from the Tech Trough. :(
Terry
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on August 19, 2018, 12:51:52 AM
Vladimir Putin attends Austrian foreign minister's wedding, BBC News 1h ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45229235

(https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F217.218.67.233%2F%2Fphoto%2F20180818%2F3cfb49e5-203e-40f8-bd8e-b292ae60dd72.jpg&hash=f1bdd4797f491168694932c94adf545e)
"Austrian Foreign Minister Karin Kneissl and Russian President Vladimir Putin dance during her wedding on August 18, 2018 in Gamlitz, Styria, Austria.  (AFP)"

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/08/18/571579/Austrias-FM-Kneissl-dances-with-Russias-Putin-at-her-wedding
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: TerryM on August 22, 2018, 08:12:29 AM

She's wearing far too much - - lipstick. Otherwise she's a keeper.
The Judge is the (natural) blond. Her chauffeur's the one with the camera.
This was after she had been officially stripped of her office & formally disrobed.


Reminiscent of Berkeley 50 years ago. Where have all the streakers gone - long time ago.
Terry
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on August 23, 2018, 12:31:48 AM
Vacation item, Not Urgent
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Sweden: Stig Lundqist (https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stig_Lundqvist)? (a friend of Hannes Alfvén ?)
Can anyone give more info about his work? Specially, about "Force Free Current"? articles pdf or whatever
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Post by: Sleepy on August 23, 2018, 06:45:13 AM
Effects of Electron-Electron and Electron-Phonon Interactions on the One-Electron States of Solids
LARS HEDIN AND STIG LUNDQVIST
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on August 23, 2018, 11:13:30 AM
Sleepy, Thanks for the pdf, that will fed my layman curiosity.
( Entertaining myself with speculations wrt interesting plasma experiments Safire (https://youtu.be/DeVdzSjPx0g?t=35m14s) people do, controversial, ASIF unrelated - i.e. vacation item :) )
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Post by: Sleepy on August 24, 2018, 09:18:22 AM
Aha, interesting, I'm entertaining myself by watching Timothy Morton right now. :)

Diving into this forum can be somewhat challenging, either there are those who think that building or pumping our way out of this nightmare is the proper way for mitigation, or those who stick heavily to science and think that those who worry about areas not well quantified by science should shut up.

The how is the what and why we are right in a way that totally sucks!
https://youtu.be/Yv4W4M8Z8VQ?t=18m32s
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Post by: Sleepy on August 27, 2018, 09:30:05 AM
Entering the marshlands of philosophy might not be everyone's cup of tea, adding two snippets.
The actual lecture (linked above) is just short of fifty minutes.
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Post by: mostly_lurking on August 29, 2018, 12:13:19 PM
Any betting people here?


https://www.predictit.org/Contract/11418/Will-NASA-find-2018s-global-average-temperature-highest-on-record#rules

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The global temperature "Annual Average Anomaly" for 2018 shall be greater than 0.99 degrees Celsius, as rounded to the nearest hundredth of a degree, according to the first-published such data on NASA's Global Climate Change website, available upon launch of this market at https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/. Should no such data be published on or before January 31, 2019, PredictIt may at its sole discretion continue to await its availability or select a suitable alternate source.
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Post by: gerontocrat on August 31, 2018, 09:39:41 PM
That's the way to do it !

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/aug/31/world-leaders-who-deny-climate-change-should-go-to-mental-hospital-samoan-pm

World leaders who deny climate change should go to mental hospital – Samoan PM
Tuilaepa Sailele berates leaders who fail to take issue seriously, singling out Australia, India, China and the US


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The prime minister of Samoa has called climate change an “existential threat ... for all our Pacific family” and said that any world leader who denied climate change’s existence should be taken to a mental hospital.

In a searing speech delivered on Thursday night during a visit to Sydney, Tuilaepa Sailele berated leaders who fail to take climate change seriously, singling out Australia, as well as India, China and the US, which he said were the “three countries that are responsible for all this disaster”.

“Any leader of those countries who believes that there is no climate change I think he ought to be taken to mental confinement, he is utter[ly] stupid and I say the same thing for any leader here who says there is no climate change.”

Speaking at the Lowy Institute, just days before the beginning of the Pacific Islands Forum in Nauru, the Samoan prime minister seemed to take a swipe at Australia’s commitment to minimising the impact of climate change, which he called the “single greatest threat to the livelihood, security and wellbeing peoples of the Pacific”.

“While climate change may be considered a slow onset threat by some in our region, its adverse impacts are already felt by our Pacific islands peoples and communities,” said Sailele. “Greater ambition is necessary to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees centigrade and Pacific island countries continue to urge faster action by all countries.”

Sailele said addressing climate change required “political guts” from leaders. “We all know the problem, we all know the causes, we all know the solutions. All that is left would be some political courage, some political guts to get out and tell the people of your country, ‘Do this, this, this, or there is any certainty of disaster.’”

Sailele’s speech comes as leaders of Pacific nations are preparing to meet at the Pacific Islands Forum in Nauru next week, where Australia is expected to face questions about its emissions targets.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on September 13, 2018, 03:47:17 PM
------- Bits & Pieces (a collection of notes)

The West: [ I think: I exist. ]
The East: [ I exist: I think... )   


SPIEF 2018:
   We saw some videos from WGS 2018 (example: Tyson Q&A (https://youtu.be/VD-dZ4m-PqM?t=9m29s)), here is Technologies of the Future (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RQ44wQwpCc) from SPIEF 2018.
   Michio Kaku do not mention "perfect capitalism" this time, says Tech is DoubleSword, emphasis Capital of Mind - not Capital of Hands. Good!
   Sadhguru! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIpIr80WdIU) :) says anything what can be built as an expression of a memory block will be built at some point of time then he goes further then that, he goes "beyond".
   More: Transitional world: What will tomorrow bring? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDjwRK9oYwE) How will it turn out? Depends, are we inclusive or exclusive?

Becoming spiritual:
   Ambition to Vision (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTBncIsDOWM&feature=youtu.be&t=11m30s)
   Avoided Limitless Expansion, is it solution to Fermi paradox: ETI's figured out nonsense of endless physical expansion?

   Sadhguru argues that spirituality is science (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgzk7JUXgI) (no belief system inside). Stupid, Suspicious, Skeptic, Seeker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlITeRcTZsc&feature=youtu.be&t=59m26s)
   What I know I know, what I do not know I do not know - is that hard to say? Knowledge is finite, ignorance is boundless - that is where new possibilities/not_yet_known reside. Seek.


On Frontiers (of physics) (and beyond):
   Big part of science are models, all wrong - but some are useful. All of it is based on many assumptions, we couldn't do much otherwise.

   Carlo Rovelli:
      What Is Time? (https://youtu.be/-6rWqJhDv7M?t=44m17s),    
      Q/A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6rWqJhDv7M), Ri, April 2018.
      More, Sean Carroll's podcast: Carlo Rovelli on Quantum Mechanics, Spacetime, and Reality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZoeZ4Ozhb8), Jul, 2018.

   Nima Arkani-Hamed:   
      Mystery of Time (https://youtu.be/82NatoryBBk?t=8m57s), ICTS, Bengaluru, January 2018.
      SpaceTime Is Doomed (https://youtu.be/t-C5RubqtRA?t=58m4s), SLAC Stanford, Jun, 2018.

Appendix:
   PSW: Measurement Of Time (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYWNama8StY) by William D. Phillips, January, 2016. - recommended, watch it to see why
   Quanta Magazine: New Clues to How the Brain Maps Time (https://www.quantamagazine.org/new-clues-to-how-the-brain-maps-time-20160126/), 2016.

Entertainment bit:
"Weird Lightning" (https://youtu.be/JtlWQ-scn48?t=6m44s) by J. Dwyer (2011 Sept 23)
I like physics much but basicaly most of what we know is about non-plasma baryonic state of matter which makes about 0.1% (https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1999/ast07sep99_1/) of 15% of the Universe total matter content so: Perhaps we should be more humble?

Protoje - A Matter Of Time (Official Audio) || A Matter Of Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1LOOZeh7qA   
Seek.

--eof
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: Sleepy on September 29, 2018, 09:21:58 AM
SPIEF 2018:
   We saw some videos from WGS 2018 (example: Tyson Q&A (https://youtu.be/VD-dZ4m-PqM?t=9m29s)), here is Technologies of the Future (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RQ44wQwpCc) from SPIEF 2018.
   Michio Kaku do not mention "perfect capitalism" this time, says Tech is DoubleSword, emphasis Capital of Mind - not Capital of Hands. Good!

Thanks, watched the part with Kaku now, good. I remember our little discussion.
Also adding this quote:
-"Moore's law only works for transistors".
Also very true.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on October 02, 2018, 02:53:01 PM
Sleepy, thanks for feedback.

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Hedges: Because we don’t understand the pathology of the rich we’ve been saturated with cultural images and a kind of cultural deification of wealth and those who have wealth. We are being, you know they present people of immense wealth as somehow leaders, Oracle’s even, and we don’t grasp internally what it is an oligarchic class is finally about or how venal and morally bankrupt they are.
Source given by Lurk: https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1102.msg175150.html#msg175150

A bit about it:
Conversations on Compassion with Dr. James Doty & Sadhguru (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS3_v2nBoAk), CCARE Stanford California, May 13, 2014.
Dr. James Doty (https://youtu.be/GS3_v2nBoAk?t=56m17s) above: He proceeds to have a conversation with me. I'm not quite sure why... He points to his watch "see this watch, that costed a million dollars"...   
(too lazy to write - plse listen there)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: gerontocrat on October 02, 2018, 06:07:03 PM

Also adding this quote:
-"Moore's law only works for transistors".
Also very true.

If you separate Moore's law from the basic physics behind it and expand it to look at all sorts of technology - even the humble disc drive, a similar pattern emerges. (And much good will it do us?)

I also thought Moore's Law was hitting the buffers as far as silicon dioxide transistors were concerned, hence all the research into weird and wonderful new processors and storage devices. I am so glad it is mostly passing me by.
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Post by: Sleepy on October 02, 2018, 10:06:11 PM
Computers was my life once, pretty much bored by them nowadays, also need a huge screen to see anything without glasses.

Moore himself stated a doubling every year at first and then revised it to two years, ten years later in 1975. But the 3.5" hdd I have beside me is roughly the same size as those I had in the 80's, the same with 2.5" drives which appeared a few years later in that decade. Capacity is not comparable of course, I think the first 3.5" was 10MB and one of my own was a whopping 100MB if I remember correctly.

The similar pattern around miniaturization itself, does apply for a lot of tech during most of the entire IT evolution. Now we have lightning fast and tiny M2 SSD drives, no platters, different tech. But that's the IT evolution, even though some try to draw parallels to other sectors. Like here, if you remember this?
I would call the following screen shot presented by Mr. Harj Dhaliwal a blatant lie.

The left part of the image, IT-evolution during those years was highly dependent on miniaturization, we simply can't achieve that with transports. Unless someone invents a transporter á la Star Trek.

The right part of the image shows trains, cars, aviation and then the hyperloop as the next (BAU) step into infinity.  ::)
(https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1094.0;attach=97058;image)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: Sleepy on October 03, 2018, 08:12:28 AM
Mornin', neither am I Lurk. As I've expressed elsewhere in here I used to be naive and proud about working in and taking part of, the IT (r)evolution.

W3->W3.1 doubled in two years, the latter hogged at least 10MB of valuable disk space in the early 90's, remember beeing quite annoyed about that. :) Back then the Atari was heavily used in Germany, not so much in Sweden. OS on ROM and almost zero disk usage. Still have an Atari Portfolio lying around somewhere, featured in Terminator...

One interesting thing is that my quoted post above was immediately deemed as incessant trolling in here and maybe also a lesson learnt around what people within the IT world expected back then. We really thought a public Internet would change everything for the better and people would have access to information on equal terms. Porn swamped it immediately (no surprise) and now it's mostly a commercialized opinion trash can, laced with alt right propaganda. Those morons really took advantage of it; spend enough time spreading lies and some will believe it.

Not much left of those dreams from back then. Never thought I would spend so much time teaching my kids how to use Internet sensibly and with great care.

Also reconnecting with that little discussion thak took place in the Café, about views. Normally when you check the stats on useful videos and information, it's really low. Below low sometimes.
Time ran out, gotta go...
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: Neven on October 03, 2018, 01:28:49 PM
The rule could be: the best videos on youtube are never seen.

Yes, it's partly because of the masses, but it's also because of manipulation. For instance, nobody ever watched clips from CNN or MSNBC, they'd maybe get a couple of hundred views. But then YouTube changed something around a year ago, I have no idea what, and now the same sort of clips get tens to hundreds of thousands of views within days.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: oren on October 03, 2018, 01:46:55 PM
Youtube views are mostly marketing related, if they're being pushed number of views will grow, otherwise the video could just rot. But from experience I can say a good headline, description and relevant keywords can help a lot, and putting the video in a couple of appropriate websites can help jumpstart it.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: Sleepy on October 04, 2018, 10:38:26 AM
Thank you Lurk. And yes, that was exactly my point, areas where one knows the facts.
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And for what's pushed or not:
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: Sleepy on October 08, 2018, 04:51:50 AM
The press conference is now over.
SR15 is out, have fun...
http://www.ipcc.ch/report/sr15/ (http://www.ipcc.ch/report/sr15/)
Live conference going on here:
https://youtu.be/12S3dKrxj7c

Most of the time the number of views hovered roughly around 450. That's 450 out of all people on planet earth who have access to the Internet.
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Post by: ivica on October 12, 2018, 01:34:15 PM
Currently 8.700 views (my hopefully included) for IPCC SR15 video above.

-

On Religion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=597_CT48_os), 2018-10-05, Sadhguru at 8:45...
I like comments to; Pakistan, India & around, 3500+.

On Clarity... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqkt2i6op1M), Sadhguru - Joyfully Confused ;)

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Post by: kassy on October 12, 2018, 02:20:00 PM
Oysters On The Half Shell Are Actually Saving New York's Eroding Harbor

Across New York City, more than 70 restaurants are tossing their oyster shells not into the trash or composting pile, but into the city's eroded harbor. It's all part of Billion Oyster Project's restaurant shell-collection program.

...

The shells then get a final cleaning and are moved to Billion Oyster Project's hatchery at the Urban Assembly New York Harbor School, a public high school on Governors Island that offers technical and vocational training in the marine sciences. In an aquaculture classroom's hatchery, student-grown oysters produce larvae in an artificially induced springtime environment. In one to two weeks, each larvae grows a "foot" — a little limb covered in a kind of natural glue — and then is moved to a tank full of the "cured" restaurant shells, which serve as anchors for all of those sticky feet. This phase is critical: If larvae can't find a place to attach, they die. One reclaimed shell can house 10 to 20 new live oysters, depending on shell size.

...

While not all of the larvae will survive, the goal is to get at least five oysters clustered onto one restaurant shell — think flowering oyster bouquets. If the water is warm enough, mature oysters are moved to a reef structure — a cage or shellfish bag — that provides a stable area for oysters to fuse together and create a healthy reef in the New York Harbor.
Then, the oysters begin doing what oysters do — which, it turns out, is quite a lot. Oysters are natural water filters; each one cleans 30 to 50 gallons of water a day. They also provide food and shelter for all sorts of marine creatures, supporting biodiversity. "Oyster reefs provide great marine habitat, similar to coral reefs, with nooks and crannies to protect juvenile fish, and are active food for some species. They help to create a thriving ecosystem," Wachtel says.

But the biggest draw for many coastal states such as New York, especially in an era of rising sea temperatures and eviscerating hurricanes, is that oysters can provide natural breakwaters. Oyster reefs can protect against a hurricane's wave velocity, which can destroy a city's infrastructure. The New York Governor's Office of Storm Recovery has partnered with Billion Oyster Project to install oysters on its $74 million Living Breakwaters Project, which aims to reduce and reverse erosion and damage from storm waves, improve the ecosystem health of Raritan Bay and encourage environmentally conscious stewardship of nearshore waters.
Billion Oyster Project Executive Director Pete Malinowski says none of this work would be possible without the restaurant shell-collection program. "It's critical. We need oyster shells to do our work, and the only place to get them is from restaurants," Malinowski says. Luckily, restaurants are more than happy to oblige; Billion Oyster Project has collected more than 1 million pounds of oyster shells, well on the way to its goal of creating 1 billion live oysters — hence its name — across 100 acres of reefs by 2035.

and more
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/10/10/654781446/oysters-on-the-half-shell-are-actually-saving-new-yorks-eroding-harbor

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Post by: johnm33 on October 13, 2018, 12:54:02 PM
Someone commented elsewhere about a subtropical arctic so I had a look around.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/axel-heiberg-island Quite surprised to learn of the sverdrup basin and it's 13km of sediment, but even more by the eclectic mix of 'fossilised' trees found that are still wood.
http://hoopermuseum.earthsci.carleton.ca/forest/eocene11.html A series of pages with a little more detail, indicating that the forest environment was destroyed by catastrophic flooding.
http://nunatsiaq.com/stories/article/263419_nunavut_considers_a_new_park_for_axel_heibergs_fossil_forest/  Did it get park status?
http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/12/1/pdf/i1052-5173-12-1-4.pdf A more geological detail.
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Post by: ivica on October 14, 2018, 03:29:09 PM
"On Religion", 2018-10-05, video from above has now 5,200+ comments and grows... (my impression is that most of participiants there are young ppl)
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"Do not rebuke a fool or he will hate you. But correct the wise and they will love you."
is the recent comment (42 minutes ago) and reason why i made this post.

Meanwhile, in Pakistan (https://www.rt.com/news/441190-blasphemy-death-sentence-rally-pakistan/).

Transcript of Sadhguru part used in video above, 2018-09:
https://isha.sadhguru.org/global/en/wisdom/video/why-religion-and-conflict
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Sadhguru speaks about how people fight over their own beliefs, and how they try to impose them on others, which will inevitably lead to conflict. Religion is a method to turn inwards and should not be reduced to a set of beliefs - religion is about changing oneself. The true conflict in the world is not between good and evil, but rather one man's belief versus another man's belief.

BTW: Sadhguru and Raftaar (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWPmWYuk_pQ) (Indian rapper and singer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raftaar_(rapper))) - Instagram Live Chat, 2018-09.
Also,
On Motivation And Spark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LODBNxiaqK8), Sadhguru answers a student’s question. At 6:37 "this university time should be shortened unless..." reminds me on what one of my favourite profesors (http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/bosanac_tomo.html) have said to us, students: "If i'm asked, those who came here for a paper should get that after 2nd year so that we, professors, can spend more time with you who came here to learn."

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Post by: ivica on October 20, 2018, 04:52:10 PM
"Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flom is a podcast about tragedy, triumph, unequal justice and actual innocence.  Based on the files of the lawyers who freed them, Wrongful Conviction features interviews with men and women who have spent decades in prison for crimes they did not commit – some of them had even been sentenced to death.  These are their stories."
http://www.revolverpodcasts.com/shows/wrongful-conviction-with-jason-flom/

Inner Freedom for the Imprisoned: A conversation with Sadhguru (https://art19.com/shows/wrongful-conviction-with-jason-flom/episodes/0ebcc11d-1050-4131-b323-494e2bcdc5d7), audio there: duration 49:26, 2018.

"In this special edition of Wrongful Conviction, Jason Flom is joined by Sadhguru to discuss his revolutionary work that has helped reform prisons throughout India."

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Post by: ivica on October 23, 2018, 09:31:14 PM
Raising Human Consciousness
    for a People in a Hurry


Go to the moon  8)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqITp2IWoAE7_P8.jpg)
(Jason Major @JPMajor Oct 22)

+ Edit :  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq8yDhlUfUE)

Amazing Competence: Apollo 14 landing from PDI to Touchdown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZZe-xXx9_o)

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Post by: ivica on October 27, 2018, 10:16:11 AM
Distance Helps Clarity
   in time: String theory pros and cons (https://youtu.be/6RQ6ugMWZ0c)
   in space: Jimmy Dore Went To Italy (https://youtu.be/OGSluXmYvkY?t=118) for it
   in dimension: Sliding dimension up gets Moebius Transformations Revealed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3VmDgiFnY)

Notion of a scale/perspective also helps:
   Neil deGrasse Tyson's Earth's Smallness Into Perspective (https://youtu.be/y4pCl0MWNa0?t=70)
   Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wupToqz1e2g)
   Sadhguru's Big Man (https://youtu.be/z90Rex2mZ-k?t=3270)

All of above is outward oriented, now something of opposite: flesruoY gniwonK (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iipwjxKtRqs) :)

< Man love talk but refuse to do (https://youtu.be/Z1LOOZeh7qA?t=52), consequences follow, what to do >

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Post by: ivica on October 31, 2018, 10:03:16 AM
... What To Do: Help Youth - Future Belongs To Them

Sadhguru at IIT Bombay – Youth and Truth [Full talk] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_TkjQllrRw), premiered 18 hours ago.

"On Sep 20, Sadhguru was at IIT Bombay as part of the Youth and Truth movement. Watch the vibrant QnA session that followed as Sadhguru answered students’ questions on a wide range of topics". The list of the questions... is in the video description.
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Post by: ivica on October 31, 2018, 10:05:06 AM
The framework (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg175492.html#msg175492) for a society to bring a positive change

   . internal consciousness
   .. public awareness
   ... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8aEoK_jMuE) proactiveness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYmRA45BZmc

< <.> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlRl3K7TsEs&list=RDNlRl3K7TsEs&start_radio=1) >

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Post by: Sleepy on November 06, 2018, 12:57:37 PM
Not sure where to put this.

COULD SOLAR RADIATION PRESSURE EXPLAIN ‘OUMUAMUA’S PECULIAR ACCELERATION?
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1810.11490.pdf (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1810.11490.pdf)
Alternatively, a more exotic scenario is that Oumuamua may be a fully operational probe sent intentionally to Earth vicinity by an alien civilization.

If it was, I can understand why they opted to step on it.
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Post by: kassy on November 06, 2018, 06:47:48 PM
Nice paper.

 Interestingly, ‘Oumuamua’s entry velocity is found to be extremely close to the velocity of the Local Standard of Rest, in a kinematic region that is occupied by less than 1 to 500 stars (Mamajek 2017).

One wonders how it would do the probing.
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Post by: Sleepy on November 07, 2018, 06:29:32 AM
Give them a call. ;)
Remembering when even mentioning aliens was a no-no...

Metop-C launched.

https://youtu.be/R5t5_LXKvMk

Background:
https://scienceblog.eumetsat.int/2018/11/metop-c-on-the-launch-pad-and-ready-to-go/ (https://scienceblog.eumetsat.int/2018/11/metop-c-on-the-launch-pad-and-ready-to-go/)

https://youtu.be/EpWuZQZ3LAA
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Post by: SteveMDFP on November 07, 2018, 03:26:23 PM
Nice paper.

 Interestingly, ‘Oumuamua’s entry velocity is found to be extremely close to the velocity of the Local Standard of Rest, in a kinematic region that is occupied by less than 1 to 500 stars (Mamajek 2017).

One wonders how it would do the probing.

Surely with sub-space sensors, which must have been concealed with a cloaking device.
 ;)
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Post by: Sleepy on November 15, 2018, 06:55:24 AM
Icy 'Super-Earth' Exoplanet Spotted Around Nearby Barnard's Star
https://www.space.com/42423-barnards-star-super-earth-exoplanet-discovery.html (https://www.space.com/42423-barnards-star-super-earth-exoplanet-discovery.html)
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The nearest single star to the sun apparently hosts a big, icy planet.

Astronomers have found strong evidence of a frigid alien world about 3.2 times more massive than Earth circling Barnard's Star, a dim red dwarf that lies just 6 light-years from the sun. Barnard's Star is our sun's nearest neighbor, apart from the three-star Alpha Centauri system, which is about 4.3 light-years away.

The newly detected world, known as Barnard's Star b, remains a planet candidate for now. But the researchers who spotted it are confident the alien planet will eventually be confirmed.

"After a very careful analysis, we are 99 percent confident that the planet is there," Ignasi Ribas, of the Institute of Space Studies of Catalonia and the Institute of Space Sciences in Spain, said in a statement.
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Post by: gerontocrat on November 23, 2018, 11:41:38 AM
AGW? Global Warming? Get lost. Wake up, it's BLACK FRIDAY. I've got to buy something I do not need and probably don't really want.


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Research from consumer group Which? released this week found that nearly nine in 10 “deals” available on Black Friday last year had been even cheaper at other times of year.

Jon Holt, head of financial services at KPMG, said: “Black Friday plays on the excitement of spending while frictionless finance and cheap credit puts that buying buzz within everyone’s grasp.

“Our poll found that 51% of respondents didn’t even think the discounts they’re offered on Black Friday are a genuine saving! Having an economy disproportionately built on debt is not sustainable for consumers, retailers or financial services.”

Retailers are also at risk of diving further into the red as a result of slashing prices, according to credit ratings agency Moody’s. It said retailers without a carefully thought-out strategy only succeeded in booking sales they would have made anyway in December, but at lower levels of profit.
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Post by: Pmt111500 on November 23, 2018, 12:46:07 PM
Re: black friday

I don't get why it's black. Why not white or caucasian? Would an asian wednesday sell better? Anyway whites (or rather, pinkos) are not of one race as some might think. There are oranges too but I bought mandarines, Chinese. What's the equivalent office in government? Should there be a levelled government? Oh, what's happening in Cameroon? English and French speaking locals are fighting a proxy war? What else is new?

Went to grocery shopping, the parking was nearly full in the middle of the day.
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Post by: Sleepy on November 23, 2018, 01:08:57 PM
Re: Why it's black?
Because it's yet another American import by our markets to enhance prices = "back in black".
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Post by: Pmt111500 on November 23, 2018, 01:23:48 PM
Re: Why it's black?
Because it's yet another American import by our markets to enhance prices = "back in black".
Ah, as opposed to red as in bookkeeping? Makes sense only of it happens.
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Post by: Sleepy on November 23, 2018, 01:37:14 PM
It happened in previous years Pmt, seems to be happening again. A record-breaking sales success while increasing the prices must be a true dream for some.
http://www.ehandel.se/NetOnNet-Varje-timme-registrerades-det-nya-rekord,13786.html (http://www.ehandel.se/NetOnNet-Varje-timme-registrerades-det-nya-rekord,13786.html)
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Post by: gerontocrat on November 23, 2018, 02:19:13 PM
It happened in previous years Pmt, seems to be happening again. A record-breaking sales success while increasing the prices must be a true dream for some.
http://www.ehandel.se/NetOnNet-Varje-timme-registrerades-det-nya-rekord,13786.html (http://www.ehandel.se/NetOnNet-Varje-timme-registrerades-det-nya-rekord,13786.html)
No time to answer, I have to shop.
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Post by: Sleepy on November 23, 2018, 02:40:59 PM
Me too! (eh, was that another movement?)

(https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1021.0;attach=111727;image)

http://www.ehandel.se/Nattens-BF-Okning-med-1700-procent-hos-betaljatten,13780.html (http://www.ehandel.se/Nattens-BF-Okning-med-1700-procent-hos-betaljatten,13780.html)
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However, the biggest increase was found among silver foxes, who apparently had no problems staying up. People over the age of 65 made 21 times more purchases during the first hour of the day, compared with an average day.
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Post by: TerryM on December 06, 2018, 10:40:11 AM
My beloved Canada has arrested the daughter of one of China's most powerful oligarchs, and the Premier is far from amused.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-05/china-outraged-arrest-huawei-cfo-warns-it-will-take-all-measures (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-05/china-outraged-arrest-huawei-cfo-warns-it-will-take-all-measures)

I seems as though bad things happen when Trump and Xi have dinner, last time it was missiles into Syria. This time the Canadians arrest the CFO of Huawei, and the daughter of it's founder, with the intent of handing her over to the Americans.
The normally very self contained Xi is enraged and has fired off demands to both Canada and the States.
The Loonie has fallen by ~2 cents and I think things will get worse in short order.

Why cant Trudeau stand up to Trump?
Damn!
Terry
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Post by: Tor Bejnar on December 06, 2018, 05:44:53 PM
from The Landslide Blog (https://blogs.agu.org/landslideblog/2018/12/05/malibu-mudflows-1/)
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The climate emergency (sometimes less well described as climate change) is very much in the news

GW, CC, now CE
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Post by: SteveMDFP on December 06, 2018, 06:37:02 PM
My beloved Canada has arrested the daughter of one of China's most powerful oligarchs, and the Premier is far from amused.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-05/china-outraged-arrest-huawei-cfo-warns-it-will-take-all-measures

I seems as though bad things happen when Trump and Xi have dinner, last time it was missiles into Syria. This time the Canadians arrest the CFO of Huawei, and the daughter of it's founder, with the intent of handing her over to the Americans.
The normally very self contained Xi is enraged and has fired off demands to both Canada and the States.
The Loonie has fallen by ~2 cents and I think things will get worse in short order.

Why cant Trudeau stand up to Trump?
Damn!
Terry

Damn is right.  Apparently this is over Huawei violating Trump's sanctions on Iran.  These sanctions really are stupid and counter-productive.

It really would have been better for everyone if Canada had "accidentally" neglected to arrest her.
Why can bureaucracies be inefficient when we need them to be?

Having arrested her though, I can't see that the Canadian government has any realistic option.
Trump is already very quick to punish Canada (for no rational reason whatsoever), and if Trudeau thumbed his nose at Trump by just releasing her, consequences could be seriously painful for quite a number of people, mostly in Canada.  He'll need to honor the extradition request.

Stocks and bonds are down another 2% today (as of now), and this arrest is cited as a major reason.

Just think, if that 2% of invested wealth were invested in renewable energy projects, we could probably close all US coal-fired plants within a year.  And even make a return on investment for those dollars.  Sigh.
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Post by: ASILurker on December 07, 2018, 01:04:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2VkC4SnwY0

https://xrebellion.org/

https://rebellion.earth/

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5bda9184c3c16a86b3c38cc5/t/5bdabf400e2e72d167255f5f/1541461109267/rebel-for-life.png?format=600w)


Lurk369:Best of Bookmarks
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Post by: Neven on December 08, 2018, 02:33:21 PM
Anger and grief:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yi7QxnNvQk
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Post by: TerryM on December 09, 2018, 02:51:37 AM
Neven


I've heard these same hopeful messages expressed by Hansen and Mann, but what do that mean when they say that there is hope, that we can make a difference, that our governments, communities and families will come through this unscathed? 7:30 -


Their messages are clear, understandable and understood, until after painting a horrific picture of the horrors that are sure to come, they pirouette a few paragraphs from the end of their presentation and attempt to undercut everything they'd just finished speaking about by telling their audience not to worry.


I had a dear friend who was also my primary doctor. He couldn't bear to tell me that that I had cancer, and later that I had little chance of survival. That his withheld prognosis proved inaccurate didn't relieve him from his duty to level with me.


He moved to Louisiana and I to Canada, which was fortunate as we were uncomfortable in each others presence after the specialists leveled with me.


Perhaps Hansen and Mann have no professional obligation to be brutally honest. Perhaps people honestly can't be expected to behave responsibly when presented with a very bleak view of the future. Personally a dark truth is preferable to brilliant lie.
Terry



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Post by: ivica on December 09, 2018, 10:40:33 AM
63rd Annual Conference of Indian Orthopaedic Association, Nov 26 - Dec 1 2018:
Doctors in conversation with 'mystic' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAHLwvDydsA), set of questions is in the video description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPxyhivAWNU
what is truth

< cooperation, not competition, is what makes life possible >
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Post by: gerontocrat on December 14, 2018, 10:17:13 AM
One of the few benefits of increasing age is having read stuff written in the 20th Century.

Once upon a time I had a precious book, "The Sea Around Us" written in the late 1940's by Rachel Carson (yes - the author of "Silent Spring") and published in 1951. It was 86 weeks in the best seller list of the New York Times. I foolishly lent it to a "friend".

A stray memory took me to the library, and to my amazement they were able to find me a copy to borrow, and my memory was right. There is a chapter on Arctic Sea Ice and the changing to a warmer climate since about 1900. The basics are all there, retreating sea ice, melting Norwegian glaciers, fish and birds moving north, longer growing seasons and new sea routes open. The basic science is there concerning a layer of cold freshwater overlying warmer, saltier water. Which brings me to submarine waves and Otto Petersson, who published in 1912 a paper "Climatic variations in historic and prehistoric time".

His contention was that the strength of submarine waves depends on the gravitational force exerted by the sun, moon and planets which in turn depend on orbital variations, and that these submarine waves have a far greater amplitude than surface tides. He calculated the most recent major period of maximum tidal action as in AD 1433, the most recent minimum at AD 450 , and the next minimum at AD 2400.. He also calculated minor cycles every 9, 18 and 36 years.

This variation in tidal action was sufficient to force the major changes in the Atlantic and Arctic Oceans and from that the European climate.

Is it not possible that this science is still valid as a force that can enhance or reduce the effects of AGW? That mixing between that cold freshwater surface layer and deeper warmer, saltier water can be increased during periods of higher tidal action and reduced during periods of lower tidal action? And that in turn depends on variations in the orbits of the planets that are easily calculated using the mathematics of Newton?

Here is the link to Petersson's paper. Fascinating stuff, and think on the years it took to get all the data together.

http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/calen12/petterson_1.html
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Post by: Sleepy on December 14, 2018, 10:48:08 AM
When you mentioned Carson in February I downloaded it, no library nearby.
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Post by: gerontocrat on December 14, 2018, 10:59:27 AM
When you mentioned Carson in February I downloaded it, no library nearby.
An awfully big thank you, Sleepy. (I had looked but did not find).
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Post by: ivica on December 15, 2018, 10:18:07 AM
Proactiveness (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2346.msg178947.html#msg178947)

Greta Thunberg @GretaThunberg
"
”You are not mature enough to tell it like it is. Even that burden you leave to your children.”

Here’s my full speech in front of the UN plenary at #COP24.

#ClimateStrike #FridaysForFuture #SchoolStrike4Climate #ClimateJustice
"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzeekxtyFOY&feature=youtu.be

Bernie Sanders @SenSanders 11h11 hours ago: "”You say you love your children above all else, yet you are stealing their futures right before their very eyes,” - This 15-year-old activist @GretaThunberg just called out world leaders for their global inaction on climate change."
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Post by: TerryM on December 15, 2018, 10:40:38 PM
12/01/2018 was a dark day for Chinese technology giant Huawei.


The founder's daughter, Meng Wanzhou was arrested and now faces 30 years in an American prison. At 47, and considering that Federal prisoners serve every day of their sentence, this amounts to a life sentence with no possibility of early release or parole. Health care in American prisons makes it very unlikely that she would survive.


Her prospective dinner companion and family friend Dr. Zhang Shoucheng, whom she was flying to Argentina to meet with when arrested, apparently flung himself from a rooftop in the United States. The 55 year old might have become depressed after the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States recently named him and his companies as targets of ongoing investigations.
Dr. Zhang was thought to be in line for the Nobel Prize in Physics, and one of his firms was providing start up funding in Silicon Valley even as it provided incentives for Chinese recipients to return to China with their budding firms.


Huawei's lead in the development of G5 mobile networks and the 7 nanometer process was dealt a blow when sub-contractor ASML's factory in Holland announced that a fire on the night of 12/01 would delay shipment of it's products.



A death, a fire, an incarceration in three different countries. What a day for Huawei.
Terry
edit/ Forgot to put in any links :-[
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/12/neocons-sabotage-trumps-trade-talks-huawei-cfo-taken-hostage-to-blackmail-china.html

Warning - Following either Huawei or Dr. Zhang down their respective rabbit holes may require tight fitting tin foil caps. :(
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Post by: TerryM on December 16, 2018, 12:19:36 AM
Holding Mrs. Wanzhou for extradition to the US of A is a terrible position for Canada to find herself in. The Trumpster's Tweet indicating that the whole purpose of her arrest may be her usefulness as a hostage during trade negotiations makes Canadians appear either guilty of collusion in a criminal enterprise, or incredibly naive WRT foreign affairs.
If the timing of Dr. Zhang's death doesn't raise the hair on the back of your neck, you simply haven't been following American History - at least from the era of MK-Ultra through to the present.


The question I keep asking myself is how in the hell Canada can escape the wrath of at least one of her major trading partners.


Trudeau never should have replaced Dion, an accomplished diplomat, with Freeland, an embittered Neo-Nazi, but that time has passed. Following "The rule of Law" isn't appropriate if the charges weren't based in "law", but were based on Meng's value as an international hostage.


If we allow her to be passed into the tender grasp of the universally respected American Justice System, the Chinese will never forgive us. The stories of her martyrdom will be taught in Mandarin grade schools and reenacted in village squares for a millennium.
Our LNG, timber, ginseng and wheat will rot on our docks, forlornly awaiting Chinese ships that will never come. We'll cloth ourselves in American hand me downs and communicate by landline as Vancouver's housing market increasingly resembles Detroit's.


Can we allow her to "accidentally" slip through our fingers? Can we afford to tell the Americans that we won't be made a partner in their schemes? Can we tell the Chinese that though we've bent the rules for American hostages, we'll never do so for an oriental?


R.I.P. Dr Zhang
Terry
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Post by: gerontocrat on December 16, 2018, 07:51:59 PM
There is a lot of stuff about how AGW is attacked on social media, including personal attacks on indviduals, e.g. Prof Mann.

There is nothing new under the sun. The attacks on Rachel Carson after "Silent Spring" came out were a wonder to behold, and many were mysoginist in character.. Mind you this sentence from the book probably raised a few hackles -
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“For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals from the moment of conception until death.”

A timely  reminder that AGW is not the only beast on the block

Herewith a link to an interesting website new to me.

http://www.environmentandsociety.org/exhibitions/silent-spring/personal-attacks-rachel-carson
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The personal attacks on Rachel Carson as a woman scientist
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Miss Rachel Carson’s reference to the selfishness of insecticide manufacturers probably reflects her Communist sympathies, like a lot of our writers these days. We can live without birds and animals, but, as the current market slump shows, we cannot live without business. As for insects, isn't it just like a woman to be scared to death of a few little bugs! As long as we have the H-bomb everything will be O.K.

—Letter to the editor of the New Yorker [cited in Smith 2001, 741]

Opponents of Silent Spring attacked Rachel Carson personally. They accused her of being radical, disloyal, unscientific, and hysterical. In 1962, at the height of the Cold War with the Soviet Union, criticism of the United States struck many as unpatriotic or sympathetic with communism. Former Secretary of Agriculture Ezra Taft Benson wrote privately to former President Dwight Eisenhower that Carson was “probably a communist” (Lear 1997, 429). Velsicol’s threatening letter to Houghton Mifflin argued that if the public demanded elimination of pesticides, “our supply of food will be reduced to East-curtain parity [i.e., as inefficient as the Communist nations east of the ‘Iron Curtain’]” (Smith 2001, 736).

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Post by: Sleepy on December 17, 2018, 05:57:56 AM
Since What's True? was deleted in it's entirety:

https://youtu.be/ihaB8AFOhZo
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Post by: ivica on December 18, 2018, 08:18:11 AM
Continued from (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg184479.html#msg184479)

Sadhguru
   about desire (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/is-desire-the-source-of-a_b_9076092.html)
   about bashing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAHLwvDydsA&feature=youtu.be&t=4816)

Great storyteller (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXRsVcF1ONw)
. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVkIkORA0tQ)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DulgHalWsAAlCES.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr7jqJRX0Ac7MHA.jpg)
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Post by: ivica on December 19, 2018, 07:19:35 AM
Corp-o-Rats in offensive?

Why Its Really About To Be Over For Patreon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=910teokAqtU), WeAreChange, Published on Dec 18, 2018
"In this video, we give you the latest breaking news on peoples frustration with Patreon and their plan to take a stand and build something better."

Sam Harris Drops Patreon - Other Creators Follow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGPgE_-2Dmk), The Jimmy Dore Show, Published on Dec 18, 2018
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Post by: ivica on December 21, 2018, 10:42:11 AM
++ * #. * :* o* !"*!*. '' ** + .. (;
'* The Secret Life of a Snowflake (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aj8hyi2AZE) +o
(: *.* !*. *o * +* # o #+ " *+.* .** 

more at Café (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg184875.html#msg184875)
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Post by: Sleepy on December 22, 2018, 09:15:38 AM
Snowflakes are nice and remind me of ourselves, momentary masters of a dot.
Crossposting this without anything better to do, on this first day of the new year:

Mornin' & Happy New Earth Cycle! No use for my Eddi (or batteries), this time of year.

Not interested in the dark side of this earth cycle at all, my 5360Wp PV's has produced 0.06kWh so far today and that's pretty much it, it's getting dark(er). A little snow on them for once...

Adding the graph from yesterday. Brighter days are coming.

(https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2061.0;attach=113242;image)
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Post by: ivica on December 22, 2018, 09:54:55 AM
>>> remind me of ourselves, momentary master of a dot. <<<

Thank You (https://www.ishashoppe.com/downloads/portfolio/thank-you-mp3-song/) Life For Giving us Chance

(MP3 Song performed by Reine Morales Kabban)

Edit, i forgot the dot so here it is:  .  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1KHkBWa49M)
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Post by: ivica on December 27, 2018, 10:00:10 PM
Evolutionary Problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXhwDn_hL8E
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Post by: Sleepy on December 28, 2018, 08:50:18 AM
Now when one of our largest shopping holidays are (almost) over, we must check our returns...

https://handels.gu.se/english/about-the-School/press-and-news/newsdetail//substantial-environmental-impact-from-returned-goods.cid1601809 (https://handels.gu.se/english/about-the-School/press-and-news/newsdetail//substantial-environmental-impact-from-returned-goods.cid1601809)

https://youtu.be/3wDmOpZyJ9A
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Post by: ivica on December 29, 2018, 04:29:16 PM
Rally for Rivers - a year after (https://youtu.be/YThOMiFucwg?t=85). Maharashtra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharashtra) is the most proactive state in India, says Sadhguru. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVkIkORA0tQ)
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Post by: ivica on December 31, 2018, 08:00:02 PM
This is the Time

https://youtu.be/i0CUabpulXI

"It's up to us what we make out of this world"
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Post by: ivica on January 03, 2019, 07:18:00 PM
Feel that inner Fire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JhFa4bdz68
"A little girl with big passion makes a spirited appeal to save our rivers."
https://twitter.com/rallyforrivers
2018. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ0_L7nIuq0&feature=youtu.be&t=65)
2019 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94nf1Fjs7Cs&feature=youtu.be&t=7518).
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Post by: ivica on April 28, 2019, 12:45:03 PM
Unstoppable Ease

"A student asks (https://youtu.be/OwtXma7QRpM?t=27) Sadhguru about the origin of human beings, the different views given by religion and science, and which one to believe."

(When a human operates as a) scientist shouldn't believe anything. What I do not know... (https://youtu.be/diJrraOLF5k?t=218)

Let’s Make a Heaven on Earth! (https://youtu.be/W4ldaReKOgc?t=25)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBoj94CT9OQ

The book "Inner Engineering: A Yogi's Guide to Joy" narrated by the author, here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEywqgcjUU) and elsewhere, 9h.

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Post by: vox_mundi on May 10, 2019, 07:15:29 AM
Helium Is In Short Supply, Hitting Balloons and Scientific Research 
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/04/12/helium-shortage-is-hitting-balloons-and-scientific-research.html

There's a major helium shortage affecting a host of industries — and it's not clear how anyone is going to solve it.

... Overall U.S. production has fallen as the Bureau of Land Management has been rationing supply since February 2018 after a group of countries lead by Saudi Arabia announced an economic embargo of Qatar. That created chaos in the helium supply chain for weeks as roughly 30 percent of the global supply was taken off the market.

While that has been resolved, new supplies that are supposed to come online have been delayed and unplanned plant outages have further impacted the market

But demand from high-tech manufacturing, including demand from China, is also rising.

In a market dominated by just a few sources, any disruption in the supply chain will have a magnified impact.

"The problem is, helium is being used up faster than it can be produced these days,"

---------------------

Party City Says It Is Closing 45 Stores Amid a Global Helium Shortage   
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1157512001
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Post by: be cause on May 10, 2019, 12:02:27 PM
what ! no balloons for the end of the world party ? ..
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Post by: gerontocrat on May 10, 2019, 01:01:01 PM
what ! no balloons for the end of the world party ? ..
Use hydrogen - so the end of the world party goes with a bang.
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Post by: vox_mundi on May 10, 2019, 01:45:19 PM
(https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/7w29khlx7h6pMvea7WDuysAyGao=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/b6/11/b611d42c-35bb-4aec-a220-34c4a6ec7afe/nasm-si-98-15068.jpg)
Oh, the humanity!
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Post by: kassy on May 10, 2019, 02:11:38 PM
Balloons are plastic filth and should not be used at all.
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Post by: Neven on May 10, 2019, 11:21:39 PM
Balloons are plastic filth and should not be used at all.

Yes, but for the end of the world party?
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Post by: Sleepy on May 11, 2019, 06:42:17 AM
Humanity is hell-bent for bigger bangs. Meet HUBRIS, oops, HYBRIT:
http://www.hybritdevelopment.com/ (http://www.hybritdevelopment.com/)
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Post by: gerontocrat on June 04, 2019, 07:23:21 PM
Where to put satellite news (i.e. the satellites of importance to ASIF)?
Do we need a thread in (say) science?

GRACE-FO Satellite.

I read that GRACE-FO is producing science data but could not find it. So I sent an e-mail to Germany and the US. Germany has responded.

It seems that some data for experts only is already available. (Level 1). Stuff for pure amateurs like me (Level 3) - e.g. Greenland and Antarctic Ice mass change in a format I can understand - will be available soon.

Links I found and copy of e-mail bel :-\ow
_________________________________________________________________
ftp://isdcftp.gfz-potsdam.de/grace-fo/GravIS/GFZ/Level-3/ICE/
https://gracefo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/143/grace-fo-first-science-data-now-available/

GRACE-Follow-On Data
I advice to visit our GRACE and GRACE-FO archives at GFZ, the Information System and Data Center (ISDC) at https://isdc.gfz-potsdam.de/grace-isdc/ and https://isdc.gfz-potsdam.de/grace-fo-isdc/.

At GRACE (but also GRACE-FO) you can read there: To get access via FTP to the different GRACE Level-1B (instrument and orbit data as well as atmosphere and ocean de-aliasing (AOD) model), Level-2 (gravity models in terms of spherical harmonic coefficients) and Level-3 (user-friendly gridded) data and documentation, (monthly) newsletters and various project related documentation please follow the link "GRACE Gravity Data and Documentation" on the left hand side. The link “News related to GRACE Gravity Data” provides further useful information on recent Level-1B and Level-2 data distribution. The Level-3 data provided at ISDC are based on the most recent GRACE data release from GFZ and are visualized and described at GFZ´s Gravity Information Service (GravIS). 

The Level-2 (and later L3) GRACE-FO products will be available in about 10-14 days. So far only L1 have been made available a week ago. I also ask you to get familiar with the GravIS portal where you should find "ready to use" data also for Greenland and Antarctica.

Best regards

Frank Flechtner
--
Prof. Dr. Frank Flechtner
Head of Section 1.2 "Global Geomonitoring and Gravity Field"
Department 1 "Geodesy"
Helmholtz Centre Potsdam
GFZ German Research Centre for Geosciences
Foundation under public law of the federal state of Brandenburg
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Post by: b_lumenkraft on June 04, 2019, 07:28:39 PM
Where to put satellite news (i.e. the satellites of importance to ASIF)?
Do we need a thread in (say) science?

Sure! This is indeed of interest and should have it's own place IMHO.
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Post by: Neven on June 04, 2019, 10:42:34 PM
Yes, Science sounds like the best category for that, and the thread should remain visible there, even if there are no regular comments.
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Post by: gerontocrat on June 04, 2019, 11:36:22 PM
Yes, Science sounds like the best category for that, and the thread should remain visible there, even if there are no regular comments.
Will do, tomorrow, with one or 2 pointers at what satellites I keep an eye on.
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Post by: ivica on June 07, 2019, 01:24:41 AM
Compulsive Behavior (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_behavior)   

Darkness in modern perspective is an absence of visible light, similarly let's see compulsiveness as an absence of consciousness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-HvGMsa2c&feature=youtu.be&t=4132).

Now i wonder, what should Compulsive Posting mean?

(1 (https://aa.activeboard.com/t42447403/compulsive-posting-on-internet-forums/), 2 (https://wormwoodgate.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/obsessive-posting-disorder/)) . (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPxyhivAWNU&feature=youtu.be&t=160)
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Post by: magnamentis on June 07, 2019, 01:44:58 AM
Compulsive Behavior (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_behavior)   

Darkness in modern perspective is an absence of visible light, similarly let's see compulsiveness as an absence of consciousness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-HvGMsa2c&feature=youtu.be&t=4132).

Now i wonder, what should Compulsive Posting mean?

(1 (https://aa.activeboard.com/t42447403/compulsive-posting-on-internet-forums/), 2 (https://wormwoodgate.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/obsessive-posting-disorder/)) . (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPxyhivAWNU&feature=youtu.be&t=160)

never hesitate to post more of this stuff ;) i love it, so great indeed.
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Post by: ivica on June 09, 2019, 01:13:25 AM
The Gadget
   (Have you read User Manual?)

Sensorium, blog by Maureen Seaberg at https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sensorium
Posts 1-5 of a series "Experiments Suggest Humans Can Directly Observe the Quantum": 1 (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sensorium/201812/experiments-suggest-humans-can-directly-observe-the-quantum), 2 (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sensorium/201901/experiments-suggest-humans-can-directly-observe-the-quantum), 3 (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sensorium/201902/experiments-suggest-humans-can-directly-observe-the-quantum), 4 (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sensorium/201903/experiments-suggest-humans-can-directly-observe-the-quantum), 5 (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sensorium/201905/experiments-suggest-humans-can-directly-observe-the-quantum).

Quote
Part Five

By William C. Bushell and Maureen Seaberg

This periodic series has been addressing a potentially revolutionary and historic movement in physics and cosmology–and not only a potentially revolutionary and historic movement in these particular subjects–but also in the general, wider range of the history and ultimate nature of humanity overall: what it means to be human, on the most fundamental of levels.

The movement as of yet has no unification, no internal cohesion, no formal name or profile, no leaders or spokespersons, and, in its essential form, it is just now emerging–without a formal public definition or announcement–within the last few months dramatically, and within the last few years less dramatically and less clearly (and one could even say that it has been percolating for much longer, but in a domain even more obscure in terms of global awareness).

...

Only as of recently, and many findings just emerging from rigorous scientific research by leading researchers at leading scientific institutions within the last few weeks and months, we can now say that human beings have the proven potential to:

    * see light on the level of the single photon, essentially the most irreducible unit of light that exists
    * hear at the level of vibrations with amplitudes on the atomic scale, and discriminate auditory time intervals within the range of millionths of a second
    * experience acute tactile discrimination on the nanoscale – ie, billionths of a meter – even down to the level of being able to discriminate matter on the level of individual molecules
    * detect, through quantum mechanically-based mechanisms of olfactory sensitivity, over a trillion different smells, through the human olfactory system, only recently recognized as a part of a larger, sophisticated, organism-wide chemoreception system

And equally striking, even startling, is the fact that within the last year, leading physicists from top institutions around the world,  including at least one Nobel Prize-winning physicist, have called for a new revolutionary protocol to be pursued in physics, the actual recruitment of human subjects to use their own newly discovered sensory-perceptual capacities in order to attempt to directly perceive key, quantum phenomena which have proven elusive to modern technologies and methodologies!

...

A load of References in that Series, example:

   Bushell WC, 2018. Yogic Perception: An Integrative Scientific Model of Vajrayana Meditational Practices, Vajrayāna Buddhism in the Modern World: Proceedings of the Second International Conference on Vajrayāna Buddhism, 28-30 March 2018, Thimphu, Bhutan, 130-155.
   link (https://www.bhutanstudies.org.bt/publicationFiles/ConferenceProceedings/Vaj%20Proceedings%2027th%20Sept%2018%20for%20printing%20jp.pdf)

   Tinsley, J. N. et al. Direct detection of a single photon by humans. Nat. Commun. 7:12172 doi: 10.1038/ncomms12172 (2016).
   link (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4960318/)

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Post by: Tim on June 09, 2019, 01:45:55 AM
"Experiments Suggest Humans Can Directly Observe the Quantum":

Please, I say please ... leave these last few un-collapsed uncertainties un-collapsed. By collapsing this last probabilistic frontier into a mundane certainty, you are likely to take away the one and only weapon we have against the elites, who have already captured every other power anyone has to resist them and remove them from power. Don't screw this up for us!

Signed, Tim, the probability bell curve adjuster.
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Post by: ivica on June 09, 2019, 02:42:01 AM
Tim, my english fails me, i do not understand:
"...you are likely to take away..."
huh? am i that powerful?

Are you saying that ppl should not read their User Manual ? 
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Post by: Tim on June 09, 2019, 04:52:57 AM
No, ivica, I was just sort of kidding around. Sort of.

I definitely suggest people do start reading their user manual.

You're ok to go.
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Post by: sidd on June 09, 2019, 05:10:13 AM
Mmm. It is well understood that dark adapted human eye can see one or two photons. It is well understood that eardrum can detect vibration amplitude of atomic diameter or less. It is well understood that olfactory sensors can detect a single molecule.

As for tactile sense, I dealt with a tool and die company that employed a blind woman to check surface finish, she could easily tell tenths of micrometer imperfection. But for nanometer and below they still had to use optical interferometry.

But in human sensing, the quantum level phase information is lost. So quantum interference is not detectable by human nervous system.

The article by Bushell and Seaberg reveals a profound misunderstanding of quantum level measurement.

If you wanna go there, i suggest reading Penrose on quantum effects in human brain. He has interesting things to say about microtubules and such; unfortunately no one believes him and he cant offer experimental confirmation ... so sad.

sidd
 
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Post by: ivica on June 09, 2019, 05:59:15 AM
I do not want to draw too much from current state of any theory, i'm not much on Penrose side.

I follow with (a layman) interest some recent discussion/threads at SciPhysicsForums < Physics ‹ Sci.Physics.Foundations, example:
   Quantum Mechanics with a Hidden Variable! (http://www.sciphysicsforums.com/spfbb1/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=381)
   Quantum-mechanical description of reality is complete! (http://www.sciphysicsforums.com/spfbb1/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=382)

edit: links corrected
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Post by: sidd on June 09, 2019, 09:44:42 AM
I suggest that rather than learn physics from internet fora, one might want to read textbooks ?  and you will need some mathematics for quantized thinking

If you dont have much math, try Griffiths, or try susskind video. You will need some math for both.

If you have some math at undergrad level, but not much, try Feynman (v. III)

If you have the math, try Dirac, or Landau/Liftschitz or many others. In fact if you have the math, you dont need me to recommend.

Dirac is crystal clear and hard as diamond. But worth it. (as is his book on relativistic quantum field theory)

For more modern approaches to quantum field theory, Streater/Wightman, Itzykson/Zuber, Weinberg, or Bogulibov come to mind. 

But to take a larger view, quantum theory is best understood if you understand classical, pre-quantum theory theory. Goldstein and Landau come to mind there. Or what the hell, even Jackson on classical electrodynamics.

But there is no getting away from the math requirement for any of this.

Once you get thru this, Bohm and hidden variables become more understandable.

I will note from your links that Yablon has been pushing his ideas for a while, but very few accept them. Personally i think that Bohm has much more credibility in the physics community.

sidd
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Post by: ivica on June 09, 2019, 11:04:20 AM
In my view experiments should decide which idea is better to follow because only experiments can have real credibility.
Anyway my ignorance will remain boundless and somehow inspiring/motivating and that is OK for me.
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Post by: nanning on June 09, 2019, 11:17:16 AM
re: basic mathematics learning, to add to sidd's post,
I think you'll need calculus, linear algebra, statistics and partial differential equations to understand the above.

Some basic mathematics books I had to learn and think are good are:
Calculus: by Adams, "A complete course" (Pearson)  (Schaum's outline series (McGraw-Hill) are great for practicing)
Linear algebra:  by Lay, "Linear Algebra" (Pearson)
Differential equations and much more: Kreyszig "Advanced Engineering Mathematics" (Wiley)

For basic physics I love the books by Griffith: "Electrodynamics" and "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics" (Pearson)
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Post by: johnm33 on June 09, 2019, 03:43:17 PM
"Experiments Suggest Humans Can Directly Observe the Quantum"
ivica Try SMPhillips (http://www.smphillips.mysite.com/index.html) site, a physicist who was impressed by the predictive accuracy of the theosophists once he'd learnt to interpret their work correctly, they apparently acquired the skill in weeks. Worth reading 'The secret life of nature' P Tomkins iirc too at least the electron chapter.
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Post by: ivica on June 09, 2019, 05:08:43 PM
johnm33, thanks for the links i'll take a look...

Main intention with The Gadget post is to inspire/motivate a reader to think a bit about own body/mind and power of it.

Most people around me are not aware even of own nasal cycle, so my main interest is on elementary stuff, like breath... and how to get people to pay more attention to their basic faculties and stop doing variety of nasty things they do unconsciously to themselves.
To get people to think, feel, understand and experience little more is harder then i previously thought.
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Post by: Tim on June 09, 2019, 06:00:05 PM
johnm33, thanks for the links i'll take a look...

Main intention with The Gadget post is to inspire/motivate a reader to think a bit about own body/mind and power of it.

Most people around me are not aware even of own nasal cycle, so my main interest is on elementary stuff, like breath... and how to get people to pay more attention to their basic faculties and stop doing variety of nasty things they do unconsciously to themselves.
To get people to think, feel, understand and experience little more is harder then i previously thought.

Much harder than you might have thought.

Another place you might look for not just observation of, but interaction with realty at this level, is to indigenous shamanism. The Australian aboriginal noticing that reality acted more like a fluid dream, South American methods for finding the fluidity of objective reality as relayed by the Carlos Castaneda works, and even in a better, less western, understanding of what the North American indigenous were really forcing themselves to experience on their personal vision quests.

What I was teasing about with my silly post, was about this fluidity of reality, it's malleable qualities that the Australian aboriginals could force themselves into seeing on their walkabouts, as with the North American indigenous on their similar vision quests. What I was saying in my silly post, is that wherever collective minds reduce anything into a certainty, they have collapsed the wave into a particle, so to speak, as was demonstrated in the famous double slit experiment ... and those things become fixed in reality, certainties, with very little malleability anymore. Wherever things can remain probabilistic, however, the way the waves collapse can remain fluid and then still be collapsed into a number of different certainties. Careful what you make certain, in other words.

Weather, is still very uncertain to western culture. They can only predict it out a few days, and even then if something unpredictable happens, people, even people who are very certain about what they think, will shrug their shoulders and say, meh ... weather, can't really predict it. Too variable. Too chaotic. This is a great place to run your own experiments, exactly because it contains so much uncertainty. You don't need any math (that's trying to force certainty.) You just need yourself and objective reality.

I would suggest the Taoists were also quite onto this, and had developed a methodology for observing it, and also for interacting with it consciously, rather than just blindly (as you alluded to in your statement about the subconscious.)

Good luck. Especially with formal western thinkers. They mostly only like objective certainties, and shy away from leaving such things in a fluid wave state. That's why all the math. I feel they missed the boat on what that double slit experiment was showing them about the fluidity of reality. They are working hard to collapse it into something else, and doing quite a good job of it too.

All you need is a brain and a reality to run your own experiments with this, like the indigenous did, or the Taoists. Some advice from someone with experience can help sometimes too.
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Post by: johnm33 on June 09, 2019, 07:28:48 PM
http://www.ronaldcowen.com/
ivica Cowen is an adept, he found his own way to seeing, only realised what he'd found when he came across SMPhillips work. Probably aligns better with your interest.
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Post by: ivica on June 09, 2019, 07:39:40 PM
Tim, I had wink at the end of my prev reply but feeling somewhat waggish well after midnight i deleted that poor smiley at posting.

What resonates the best with me happened to be Yogic system, and that is quite similar to what you are talking, all that comes from within after all.

"Good luck. Especially with formal western thinkers."
ah, my objective reality  ;)  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqQ_K6TQx8o&feature=youtu.be&t=4711)

---
In is the Only Way Out.
being == knows how to be
Human being, not human doing - says Daniel Schmidt in one of his videos.
---

Thanks again, johnm33.
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Post by: Tim on June 09, 2019, 07:51:10 PM
Yes, ivica, I neglected to mention the yogis and yoganinis. Kundalini yoga, in particular, is a branch that focuses heavily on reaching out and interacting with a fluid reality. All of it can be related back to the double slit discovery, which western science is working hard to stuff back into a Newtonian box of an objective, fixed reality, built on certainties. I can totally see and relate to why your interests lead you there for a looksy.

I like breath too, pranayama, it's a great thing. Good luck in your endeavors.  :)
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Post by: ivica on June 10, 2019, 12:40:53 PM
Short entry on pranayama ( blame Tim ;) )
   (it's not intended to teach but to give a peek in culture different then ours)

Complete Package of Pranayama for young Beginner's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p4r_ad2Y7g&feature=youtu.be&t=56)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Q166nhEbY

The Breath (https://isha.sadhguru.org/in/en/wisdom/article/breath-passage-liberation).
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Post by: ivica on June 12, 2019, 10:23:08 AM
when so many cannot notice own breath how could they notice anything subtler, their instrumentarium is full of noise and so almost useless.

Stop Limiting Life's Possibility

"This is about realizing the full potential of what it means to be human."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEtjob__Fc0
"
when you are in any state of compulsiveness, you don’t see anything the way it is, it gets exaggerated.
If your bladder is full, one minute, I am talking about enlightenment, your bladder is very full, are you interested?
‘I don’t want any enlightenment' right now, going to the bathroom feels like ultimate liberation.
"
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Post by: ivica on June 12, 2019, 08:37:43 PM
Add to previous post: How to Stop Sabotaging Yourself (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3Yb9ZQc-sI&feature=youtu.be&t=139)
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Post by: gerontocrat on June 16, 2019, 11:03:58 AM
Way to go .....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48624784
Chinese tombs yield earliest evidence of cannabis use
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The study suggests cannabis was being smoked at least 2,500 years ago, and that it may have been associated with ritual or religious activities.

Traces of the drug were identified in wooden burners from the burials. The cannabis had high levels of the psychoactive compound THC, suggesting people at the time were well aware of its effects.

Cannabis plants have been cultivated in East Asia for their oily seeds and fibre from at least 4,000 BC. But the early cultivated varieties of cannabis, as well as most wild populations, had low levels of THC and other psychoactive compounds.

The burners, or braziers, were found at Jirzankal Cemetery, high up in the Pamir Mountains.

The scientists think ancient people put cannabis leaves and hot stones in the braziers and inhaled the resulting smoke.
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Post by: be cause on June 16, 2019, 11:13:40 AM
  .. I'll just set my pipe down .. I'm awaiting my 10th prosecution for using and sharing this wonderful herb with the sick and dying .. things change ... b.c.
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Post by: gerontocrat on June 16, 2019, 09:15:17 PM
Imagine that...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-48625734
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Scotland's crannogs are older than Stonehenge

Crannogs were fortified settlements constructed on artificial islands in lochs.

It was thought they were first built in the Iron Age, a period that began around 800 BC.

But four Western Isles sites have been radiocarbon dated to about 3640-3360 BC in the Neolithic period - before the erection of Stonehenge's stone circle.

The prehistoric monument in Wiltshire is one of Britain's best-known Neolithic features. Stonehenge's stone circle was erected in the late Neolithic period, about 2500 BC.

Another famous Neolithic site is Skara Brae, a village in Orkney inhabited between 3200 BC and 2200 BC.

Archaeologists Dr Duncan Garrow, of University of Reading, and Dr Fraser Sturt, from the University of Southampton, investigated four crannog artificial islands in the Isle of Lewis in the Western Isles.

At one of the sites well-preserved Neolithic pottery had previously been found on the loch bed by Chris Murray, a former Royal Navy diver who lives in Lewis.

The archaeologists' investigation included making underwater surveys and carrying out excavations at the sites to obtain "conclusive evidence of artificial islet construction during the Neolithic".

Four crannogs in the Western Isles were found to date to the Neolithic period
The archaeologists, whose research has been published in the journal Antiquity, said the crannogs represented "a monumental effort" through the piling up of boulders on the loch bed, and in the case of a site in Loch Bhorgastail the building of a stone causeway.

They said it was possible other Scottish crannogs, and similar sites in Ireland, were also Neolithic.

Previously it was thought crannogs were built and re-used over a period of 2,500 years from the Iron Age to the post-medieval period.
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Post by: gerontocrat on June 16, 2019, 09:22:12 PM
  .. I'll just set my pipe down .. I'm awaiting my 10th prosecution for using and sharing this wonderful herb with the sick and dying .. things change ... b.c.
One of the many books I have lost was an Encyclopedia of Herbs from the 1920's- a great big book with all the medicinal benefits and warnings included. It was know as the Herbalists' Bible amongst the cognoscenti of the subject.

It included a very long chapter on the herb, its various names and varying qualities depending on where and how grown.

The book also mentioned that the US Treasury collected 5 million bucks a year from import taxes on the aforesaid herb. That's a lot of moolah in today's money.

Things certainly do "progress", not necessarily for the better.
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Post by: johnm33 on June 16, 2019, 11:36:10 PM
  .. I'll just set my pipe down .. I'm awaiting my 10th prosecution for using and sharing this wonderful herb with the sick and dying .. things change ... b.c.
My first job [at 15] was in a scrap [metal] yard, the old guys there were full of stories, mostly they'd served in the trenches 14-18, I wish now I'd listened more ... apparently when they were young when they couldn't afford to drink they would buy opium/heroin/diamorphine tablets, cheaper than drinking but not sociable, so they preferred to drink, legislated against by the beerocracy, they also smoked dope which they said was easily available until the mid 30s.
Then there was the stuff about trench warfare between officers and men[boys] where the officers were so despised they'd be shot from behind in an advance until the officer 'class' started to send their children to the front as lieutenants  who no-one had the heart to shoot.
best wishes bc
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Post by: ivica on June 17, 2019, 09:13:44 AM
2 short entertaining films to peek into culture which is different than ours

Surya Kriya - Activating the Sun within (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYQF96XozAA)
   "If Yoga is Hindu, then Gravity is Christian.
   Yoga is not a belief system. It is a science of inner wellbeing."

Angamardana: Mastering the limbs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE7wUEvjsQY)
   "To have a body which is not nuisance,
   to have a body which cooperates with you is tremendeous boon"
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Post by: nanning on June 17, 2019, 10:09:33 AM
Civilisations: Supremacy over own body; distant, alien, unnatural.

mind-over-body is supremacy and therefore insanity.

I am complete = I don't have mind-over-body, I just have body.
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Post by: ivica on June 18, 2019, 12:29:11 PM
...there is no substitute for involment... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qcyu3ehmY4&feature=youtu.be&t=571)

What we I can not do, we I can not do - no problem, but we I should do what we I can.
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Post by: vox_mundi on June 19, 2019, 08:59:44 PM
Learning Constrains Further Learning
https://phys.org/news/2019-06-constrains-neuroscientists.html

Why is it that a master musician can learn a new score in no time, yet encounter difficulty learning something else, like skateboarding tricks? Could there is any truth to the myth that you use only 10 percent of your brain? A recent neuroscience study at KTH Royal Institute of Technology offers some answers about the limits of new learning and how the brain adapts to developing new skills and knowledge.

While there is no question that 100 percent of our brain does indeed function, in recent years experimental observations suggest that brain activity has only about 10 degrees of freedom. Which means the neurons are wired in such a fashion that only a selected set of patterns was possible. This set was named the "intrinsic manifold" of the circuit which allows the brain to generate certain base patterns of neural activity.

... "Experimental findings suggested that the patterns in the intrinsic manifold are made up of a weighted combination of base patterns, much in same way color displays give the impression of true colors by weighting the primary colors red, blue and green," Wärnberg says. It is easy to adjust the existing color channels but extremely difficult to add a new color channel because it would require fresh mixing of the primary colors.

Similarly, creating patterns that lie outside the original manifold requires a thorough rewiring of the neurons—something animals find difficult, if not impossible, to do.

The research offers an explanation of how such manifolds of neural activity contribute to the computations the brain makes. In the process of learning a set of tasks the brain acquires a connectivity to perform the task efficiently, but this new connectivity constrains the neural activity and precludes learning of a different set of tasks, Kumar says. "In effect, learning constrains learning.

"It explains why once you have learned how to drive on the left side of road, like in India or the UK, you find it difficult to drive in Europe or the U.S., where they drive on the right," he says.

(https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.squarespace.com%2Fstatic%2F5245c5f9e4b03b8157c96e96%2F52548d4fe4b04e8c1613a5d5%2F52548d5de4b04e8c1613a749%2F1381272925634%2F20090831-old-dogs-cartoon.jpg%3Fformat%3Doriginal&hash=efe72f26019db293f17b615e9e67aa07)

Open Access: Emil Wärnberg et al. Perturbing low dimensional activity manifolds in spiking neuronal networks (https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1007074), PLOS Computational Biology (2019)
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Post by: gerontocrat on June 19, 2019, 10:37:33 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/nuclear-weapons-pentagon-us-military-doctrine

"be afraid, be very afraid". But this time - not a joke.

I remember as a teenager in October 1962 with my brother pressing my ear against the living room door as my parents discussed where to run to as it looked like they were going to drop the bomb. We were less than 50 miles from London. Dad wanted us to run to Wales. Mother told him not to be daft. Better to be instantly fried than die horribly from radiation plus starvation and exposure.

A long preamble to....

Nuclear weapons: experts alarmed by new Pentagon 'war-fighting' doctrine

US joint chiefs of staff posted then removed paper that suggests nuclear weapons could ‘create conditions for decisive results’

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The Pentagon believes using nuclear weapons could “create conditions for decisive results and the restoration of strategic stability”, according to a new nuclear doctrine adopted by the US joint chiefs of staff last week.

The document, entitled Nuclear Operations, was published on 11 June, and was the first such doctrine paper for 14 years. Arms control experts say it marks a shift in US military thinking towards the idea of fighting and winning a nuclear war – which they believe is a highly dangerous mindset.

“Using nuclear weapons could create conditions for decisive results and the restoration of strategic stability,” the joint chiefs’ document says. “Specifically, the use of a nuclear weapon will fundamentally change the scope of a battle and create conditions that affect how commanders will prevail in conflict.”

At the start of a chapter on nuclear planning and targeting, the document quotes a cold war theorist, Herman Kahn, as saying: “My guess is that nuclear weapons will be used sometime in the next hundred years, but that their use is much more likely to be small and limited than widespread and unconstrained.”

Kahn was a controversial figure. He argued that a nuclear war could be “winnable” and is reported to have provided part of the inspiration for Stanley Kubrick’s film Dr Strangelove.

The Nuclear Operations document was taken down from the Pentagon online site after a week, and is now only available through a restricted access electronic library. But before it was withdrawn it was downloaded by Steven Aftergood, who directs the project on government secrecy for the Federation of American Scientists.

A spokesman for the joint chiefs of staff said the document was removed from the publicly accessible defence department website “because it was determined that this publication, as is with other joint staff publications, should be for official use only”.

In an emailed statement the spokesman did not say why the document was on the public website for the first week after publication.

Aftergood said the new document “is very much conceived as a war-fighting doctrine – not simply a deterrence doctrine, and that’s unsettling”.
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Post by: ivica on June 21, 2019, 04:20:18 AM
Human wellBeing
   2014... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqFu1awvhws&feature=youtu.be&t=36)

   June 21st: International Day of Yoga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Day_of_Yoga)
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India's Permanent Mission to the UN organized celebrations at the United Nations on 20 and 21 June 2016. A special event titled "Conversation with Yoga Masters – Yoga for the achievement of the Sustainable Development Goals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_Development_Goals)" was the centerpiece.
   Here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWtnKRL30jo) is Sadhguru's full address to the UN, a day before the IDY 2016.

And Now Yoga
   (https://images.sadhguru.org/sites/default/files/media_files/iso/en/40782-4-paths.jpg)
   "Sadhguru looks at the four paths of yoga (https://isha.sadhguru.org/global/en/wisdom/article/the-four-paths-of-yoga), and how the best way to progress is through the right combination of these four."

A Summary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbyOo_X4sBY&feature=youtu.be&t=80)
   Really worth a watch, it can put a smile! on your face . (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZtihFRxK28&feature=youtu.be&t=60)

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Post by: vox_mundi on June 27, 2019, 01:00:37 AM
Recalculating ...

Denver Airport Drivers Get Stuck in Mud Using Google Maps   
https://phys.org/news/2019-06-denver-airport-drivers-stuck-mud.html

Denver drivers using Google Maps to get to the city's airport last weekend and trying to avoid a traffic jam were sent on a detour that took them down a narrow, muddy dirt road.

Connie Monsees told KMGH-TV there were about 100 cars on Sunday lined up on the road.

She says some cars got stuck behind others that could not move and that other vehicles could not make it across several deep ditches.


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Post by: ivica on June 29, 2019, 09:56:33 AM
Saturday mUSING: Food for thought <eh> on Experience > Thought > Word

in attempt of expressing inner experience to outer world, in transition from inward to outward, from experience to word, how much is lost in such communication attempt?

an example, an almost random pick of source: In the beginning was the λόγος ... (http://www.bible-researcher.com/logos.html)
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Hence λόγος is, first of all, a collecting or collection both of things in the mind, and of words by which they are expressed. It therefore signifies both the outward form by which the inward thought is expressed, and the inward thought itself,
and then someone translates λόγος with Word, eh . (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPxyhivAWNU)
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Post by: be cause on June 29, 2019, 10:18:55 AM
I'm an Umbanda Daime man myself .. :)   b.c.
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Post by: vox_mundi on July 05, 2019, 05:40:45 PM
2019: Homeowners in Florida Encouraged to Kill Invasive Iguanas ‘Whenever Possible’
https://gizmodo.com/homeowners-in-florida-encouraged-to-kill-invasive-iguan-1836105688

With the spread of green iguanas spiraling out of control in Florida, the state’s wildlife agency is urging homeowners to take it upon themselves to exterminate the non-native lizard, and without the need for permits.

To tackle the spread of green iguanas, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission is now encouraging residents to kill the animals on their own property, as well as 22 areas of public land.

These resilient animals are currently experiencing a population spurt in Florida, with climate change and shifts in vegetation a likely contributing factor.

... Green iguanas are normally found in Central America, some eastern Caribbean islands, and the tropical portions of South America. The lizards were introduced to Florida in the 1960s, and can now be found in most parts of the state, with sightings as far north as Pensacola and Panama City Beach.

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Apparently, last years efforts were not entirely successful ...

2018: To Combat Iguana Problem, Researchers Bash In Reptiles' Heads
https://phys.org/news/2018-03-combat-iguana-problem-bash-reptiles.html

Their work is part of a $63,000 research project, contracted by the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, designed to find the best way to remove iguanas and then offer tips to homeowners on how to purge the pests from their yards.

... "Most of what we're doing is blunt force trauma," said Jenny Ketterlin, a wildlife biologist and research coordinator with UF. "Hitting their head very hard against a solid object."

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Seems like a lot of protein is going to waste ...

Chicken of the Trees: Eating South Florida's Iguanas
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/fl-reg-eating-iguana-south-florida-invasive-20180627-story.html

Iguana is a staple in the Caribbean, where the reptiles are a native species and are known as “pollo de los árboles,” or chicken of the trees. Their meat contains more protein than chicken, and members of some cultures believe it has medicinal properties. ... Because he captures so many, Wood said he feeds some to his alligators and turns others into wallets.

Iguana Meat - Boneless - 1 Lb. : $59.99 https://www.exoticmeatmarkets.com/Buy-Boneless-Wild-Iguana-Meat-p/iguanaboneless1601.htm

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A Simpsons episode comes to mind ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8jlwEPCI5A
Everybody Wants To kill Bart's Lizards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9yruQM1ggc
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Post by: kassy on July 06, 2019, 04:56:25 PM
Florida Fried Iguana sounds like a good idea to me.
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Post by: nanning on July 09, 2019, 06:37:15 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/09/in-the-not-too-distant-future-when-climate-alarmists-and-identity-politics-have-destroyed-civilsation- (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/09/in-the-not-too-distant-future-when-climate-alarmists-and-identity-politics-have-destroyed-civilsation-)
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Post by: vox_mundi on July 09, 2019, 06:49:12 AM
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Post by: vox_mundi on July 09, 2019, 06:40:42 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/nuclear-weapons-pentagon-us-military-doctrine

"be afraid, be very afraid". But this time - not a joke.

I remember as a teenager in October 1962 with my brother pressing my ear against the living room door as my parents discussed where to run to as it looked like they were going to drop the bomb. We were less than 50 miles from London. Dad wanted us to run to Wales. Mother told him not to be daft. Better to be instantly fried than die horribly from radiation plus starvation and exposure.

Nuclear weapons: experts alarmed by new Pentagon 'war-fighting' doctrine

US joint chiefs of staff posted then removed paper that suggests nuclear weapons could ‘create conditions for decisive results’

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The Pentagon believes using nuclear weapons could “create conditions for decisive results and the restoration of strategic stability”, according to a new nuclear doctrine adopted by the US joint chiefs of staff last week.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/2486/3812795249_8ef3d60020_m.jpg)
Sounds like Brig. Gen. Jack Ripper -  minus 'our precious bodily fluids'

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Pentagon Looks to Virtual Reality to Prepare Troops for Nuclear War
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2019/07/pentagon-looks-virtual-reality-prepare-troops-nuclear-war/158245/

The Defense Threat Reduction Agency on Tuesday began seeking information on virtual reality training systems that would allow troops to rehearse different scenarios involving “radiological threats.”

The agency, which focuses on countering weapons of mass destruction, could one day use the tech to train troops to intercept radiological weapons on the battlefield, respond to radioactive contamination and even prepare for full-fledged nuclear war, officials wrote in the solicitation.

https://www.fbo.gov/index.php?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=7925a9c0ffff43ef6e8b4ba2aa86d39b&tab=core&_cview=0

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... This SSN seeks information on existing solutions for virtual training and testing platforms for DoD combat forces operating in a battlefield nuclear warfare (BNW) environment, or performing radiological threat objects find and interdict operations. ... Radiological/nuclear considerations may include everything from point radiation sources, area contamination, and nuclear weapon detonation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3edi2Wkr5YI
Dr Strangelove - Major Kong Rides 'The Bomb'

... We'll meet again
Don't know where
Don't know when
But I know we'll meet again some sunny day
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Post by: b_lumenkraft on July 11, 2019, 07:33:08 PM
Let's talk about the government's relationship with the environment...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMpHPykNENI
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Post by: b_lumenkraft on July 11, 2019, 09:39:38 PM
In memory of Wilhelm Blumberg, who was arrested for calling the swastika flag a cunt cloth.

(https://i.imgur.com/9MRTX5w.jpg)
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Post by: philopek on July 11, 2019, 09:52:30 PM
In memory of Wilhelm Blumberg, who was arrested for calling the swastika flag a cunt cloth.

(https://i.imgur.com/9MRTX5w.jpg)

+1
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Post by: kassy on July 13, 2019, 09:46:50 AM
Cool video of sharks feeding on a dead swordfish and an Atlantic wreckfish snacking a shark in this article:

https://www.sciencealert.com/watch-noaa-captured-this-deep-sea-fish-lazily-choking-down-a-shark
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Post by: Tunnelforce9 on July 14, 2019, 07:32:18 AM
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About 100,000 oil wells are now drilled every year...


http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20190708-the-mystery-of-unexplained-earthquakes
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Post by: gerontocrat on July 14, 2019, 09:17:45 PM
Cor blimey!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment
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Post by: vox_mundi on July 19, 2019, 06:04:31 PM
Humans Aren't Designed to Be Happy
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-07-humans-happy.html

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Humans are not designed to be happy, or even content. Instead, we are designed primarily to survive and reproduce, like every other creature in the natural world. A state of contentment is discouraged by nature because it would lower our guard against possible threats to our survival.

A huge happiness and positive thinking industry, estimated to be worth US$11 billion a year, has helped to create the fantasy that happiness is a realistic goal. Chasing the happiness dream is a very American concept, exported to the rest of the world through popular culture. Indeed, "the pursuit of happiness" is one of the US's "unalienable rights." Unfortunately, this has helped to create an expectation that real life stubbornly refuses to deliver.

Because even when all our material and biological needs are satisfied, a state of sustained happiness will still remain a theoretical and elusive goal, as Abd-al-Rahman III, Caliph of Córdoba in the tenth century, discovered. He was one of the most powerful men of his time, who enjoyed military and cultural achievements, as well as the earthly pleasures of his two harems. Towards the end of his life, however, he decided to count the exact number of days during which he had felt happy. They amounted to precisely 14.

... experts in this field argue that nature's failure to weed out depression in the evolutionary process (despite the obvious disadvantages in terms of survival and reproduction) is due precisely to the fact that depression as an adaptation plays a useful role in times of adversity, by helping the depressed individual disengage from risky and hopeless situations in which he or she cannot win. Depressive ruminations can also have a problem solving function during difficult times.

or ...

https://youtu.be/d-diB65scQU?t=2

It's your choice.
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Post by: kassy on July 19, 2019, 08:59:52 PM
Meh depression is when you don´t do all kind of stuff which would be good to do. It is not an advantage. Also you are much more likely to ruminate in non-constructive circles.

On a more general not we might be designed to be not satisfied...always other places to go which is different from our near relatives. Maybe it fits that we get depressed if we are stuck in a spot somehere? 
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Post by: TerryM on July 19, 2019, 10:11:59 PM
Meh depression is when you don´t do all kind of stuff which would be good to do. It is not an advantage. Also you are much more likely to ruminate in non-constructive circles.

On a more general not we might be designed to be not satisfied...always other places to go which is different from our near relatives. Maybe it fits that we get depressed if we are stuck in a spot somehere?


Weren't there experiments some decades ago where they overcrowded rats and found they became depressed as well as aggressive? If isolation and overcrowding both lead to depression, perhaps the evolutionary advantage is that we evolved to live in proximity to each other without overcrowding or isolation.


Terry
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Post by: kassy on July 23, 2019, 11:42:48 AM
This month the world has been celebrating the 50th anniversary of Neil Armstrong setting foot on the Moon. But this week sees another scientific anniversary, perhaps just as important for the future of civilisation.

Forty years ago, a group of climate scientists sat down at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts for the first meeting of the "Ad Hoc Group on Carbon Dioxide and Climate". It led to the preparation of what became known as the Charney Report – the first comprehensive assessment of global climate change due to carbon dioxide.

It doesn't sound as impressive as landing on the Moon, and there certainly weren't millions waiting with bated breath for the deliberations of the meeting.

But the Charney Report is an exemplar of good science, and the success of its predictions over the past 40 years has firmly established the science of global warming.

...

In 1972 John Sawyer, the head of research at the UK Meteorological Office, wrote a four-page paper published in Nature summarising what was known at the time, and predicting warming of about 0.6°C by the end of the 20th century.
In 1972 John Sawyer, the head of research at the UK Meteorological Office, wrote a four-page paper published in Nature summarising what was known at the time, and predicting warming of about 0.6°C by the end of the 20th century.

https://www.sciencealert.com/while-we-celebrated-the-moon-landing-we-hit-another-critical-science-anniversary

https://www.bnl.gov/envsci/schwartz/charney_report1979.pdf
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Post by: vox_mundi on July 23, 2019, 04:51:02 PM
New Research Casts Doubts On Safety of World's Most Popular Artificial Sweetener
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-07-safety-world-popular-artificial-sweetener.html

Professor Erik Millstone and Dr. Elisabeth Dawson have forensically detailed serious flaws in the reassurance provided in 2013 by the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) about the safety of aspartame—more commonly known as Nutrasweet.

The new study points out the EFSA panel discounted the results of every single one of 73 studies that indicated that aspartame could be harmful while treating 84% of studies providing no prima facie evidence of harm as unproblematically reliable.

Since 1974, studies and scientists have warned of the risks of brain damage, liver and lung cancer, brain lesions and neuroendocrine disorders from consuming Nutrasweet, which is found in thousands of products around the world including diet soft drinks.

Prof Millstone, a University of Sussex expert on food chemical safety policy, is calling for the suspension of authorisation to sell or use aspartame in the EU pending an independent and thorough re-examination of relevant evidence—including key documents that Prof Millstone says were omitted from the dossier the panel reviewed.

He is also advocating a radical overhaul of EU food safety processes including an end to behind closed door discussions.

He said: "Our analysis of the evidence shows that, if the benchmarks the panel used to evaluate the results of reassuring studies had been consistently used to evaluate the results of studies that provided evidence that aspartame maybe unsafe then they would have been obliged to conclude there was sufficient evidence to indicate aspartame is not acceptably safe.

Among the flaws in the study highlighted by the University of Sussex research, the panel:

- Breached EFSA guidelines on risk assessment transparency on multiple grounds
- Adopted a low-hurdle for the acceptability of negative studies—including studies previously dubbed "woefully inadequate" and "worthless" by experts
- Applied unreachably high hurdles for 'positive' studies indicating adverse effects—even though many of those 73 studies were far more reliable than most of the studies that provided no indication of risk.
- Demonstrated puzzling anomalies including inconsistent and unacknowledged assumptions


Open Access: Erik Paul Millstone et al. EFSA's toxicological assessment of aspartame: was it even-handedly trying to identify possible unreliable positives and unreliable negatives? (https://archpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13690-019-0355-z), Archives of Public Health (2019)

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connect the dots
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: nanning on July 24, 2019, 06:46:35 PM
I have invented a simple game. Played it a lot with undergraduate fellow students. Maybe it's not new?

You need an atlas. Or wikipedia.
One person thinks of a place on Earth, mentions it and the others have to think of the possible longitude/latitude coordinates. The one who's closest 'wins'. It can also be played the other way arount with one person stating a set of coordinates.

It's fun and can be played with varying degrees of difficulty, and is good for you :).
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Post by: gerontocrat on July 24, 2019, 09:18:02 PM
Meh depression is when you don´t do all kind of stuff which would be good to do. It is not an advantage. Also you are much more likely to ruminate in non-constructive circles.

On a more general not we might be designed to be not satisfied...always other places to go which is different from our near relatives. Maybe it fits that we get depressed if we are stuck in a spot somehere?
There is being depressed, and there is depression,

Sometimes just about everything goes to shit. That can make someone depressed, but it is not the illness known as depression.

Depression (as I know only too well) is independent of external circumstances. Things might be going to shit but ho hum, no matter. Then again, one wakes up in the morning and the whole world is horrible, ghastly, vile. But things are actually going OK.

Obviously the worst is when externally things are crap and depression has arrived.

There is no cure, there are only mechanisms one can learn to get through it. That for me does not include medication of any description..
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Post by: TerryM on July 25, 2019, 01:06:01 AM

There is being depressed, and there is depression,

There is no cure, there are only mechanisms one can learn to get through it. That for me does not include medication of any description..
Ramen!
To the best of my knowledge all anti-depression meds are a dangerous scam perpetrated by Big Pharmacy. Time doesn't just wound all heals, it will also heal most wounds. ;)


I've never met a Mensan who wouldn't admit to having suffered from clinical depression.  :)
Terry
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Post by: DrTskoul on July 25, 2019, 04:23:43 AM

There is being depressed, and there is depression,

There is no cure, there are only mechanisms one can learn to get through it. That for me does not include medication of any description..
Ramen!
To the best of my knowledge all anti-depression meds are a dangerous scam perpetrated by Big Pharmacy. Time doesn't just wound all heals, it will also heal most wounds. ;)


I've never met a Mensan who wouldn't admit to having suffered from clinical depression.  :)
Terry

That shows age generational gap - an attitude of a different era, like my mother in law. Like the old hat industrial chemist where injury of limb and health where a token of a successful career.

Like pain, depression is a very subjective experience and outside conspiracy theories of big pharma (which indeed tries to maximize use of their products - like our free market MBAs teachings), medications - both pain and depression do help some people from severe suffering - who are you to say "suck it up". I respect both of your comments and input on all matters. But on this you are utterly wrong!!

Cheers
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Post by: nanning on July 25, 2019, 06:44:33 PM
Perhaps readers of this forum are troubled by wasps. I have a solution (for the wasps at 53N).

If they bother me (trying to crawl into my bottle of beer, restless hovering very close to my face or ears, trying to enter my rücksack etc.). When they are hovering in one of mentioned domains (I let them crawl all over me outside of those domains if they want), my indexfinger comes out and folows the swinging movements of the wasp. If it keeps bothering on and on, coming back even though it's discouraged away from the domain using your indexfinger, then clap your hands together close to the wasp. If that doesn't work, clap your hands together killing the wasp. I hardly ever have to kill a wasp and never get stung. Slow movements, easy, not really important ;).
Maybe it's of use to some.

edit: even->ever
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Post by: nanning on July 27, 2019, 10:10:30 AM
Whistling.  Do you whistle?

I like to whistle. Not always to known tunes but some tunes are nice to whistle. In the 'good music'-thread I posted Margaret Whiting as an example but there are many more nice tunes for whistling. Another one I really like is Gilbert O'Sullivan - Alone Again (Naturally) (1972) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_P-v1BVQn8). This song is covered by Gerard Cox - 1948 (1972) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNMWuZSxpCQ) in Dutch with a very nice text and when I whistle the tune I play Gerard's lyrics in my head which is not easy at first.

Does any of you have examples or proposals for songs that are nice to whistle?
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Post by: gerontocrat on July 27, 2019, 12:33:34 PM

There is being depressed, and there is depression,

There is no cure, there are only mechanisms one can learn to get through it. That for me does not include medication of any description..
Ramen!
To the best of my knowledge all anti-depression meds are a dangerous scam perpetrated by Big Pharmacy. Time doesn't just wound all heals, it will also heal most wounds. ;)


I've never met a Mensan who wouldn't admit to having suffered from clinical depression.  :)
Terry

That shows age generational gap - an attitude of a different era, like my mother in law. Like the old hat industrial chemist where injury of limb and health where a token of a successful career.

Like pain, depression is a very subjective experience and outside conspiracy theories of big pharma (which indeed tries to maximize use of their products - like our free market MBAs teachings), medications - both pain and depression do help some people from severe suffering - who are you to say "suck it up". I respect both of your comments and input on all matters. But on this you are utterly wrong!!

Cheers
Did I say no-one should take meds / drugs ? I am the lucky one to have found a way of avoiding them most of the time. There are many days when alcohol and at least temporary oblivion are an enormous temptation. Like when people tell you you are utterly wrong about an opinion never expressed and never held.
 
It is different for everybody.

One of my Bros takes meds sometimes. They work for a bit and then.. side-effects take over.

Me, when they took me away they gave me meds and I had to beg them to stop. Depression turned into a continuous internal scream a la Edvard Munch.

At the pub I met lots of people who managed to control the disease with moderate medication but only after years of fits and starts, and still having to change drug types and dosages regularly.

In the UK Mental Health budgets were starved, and your Doc is allowed just 12 minutes with you. So it is so easy for a Doc to throw pills at you when there is no time to find out some sort of solution and inadequate or no counselling resources available. The Doc has that choice or nothing.

They chucked me out when I told them that though suicide was thought about every day, I had developed a sort of CBT response to avoid turning thought into action.

And the people who own and boss big Pharma are a bunch of shits. As in total shits. Opioids rule, OK?

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brrrrr. Just visited a part of my brain best left alone. A goose walked over my grave.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: DrTskoul on July 27, 2019, 02:00:43 PM
I might have been to hard with you vs Terry, Gero but I saw the comments together and I saw red. My wife has had chronic pain for a decade due to back injury and is treated like a junkie by the doctors because she complains about being in severe pain. And you hear comments from people to essentially suck it up and it’s not that bad.  When pain and depression depend on the individual’s biochemistry!!

I apologize..
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Post by: nanning on July 27, 2019, 04:18:52 PM
I feel for you gerontocrat and DrTskoul. An imaginary warm hug from me.

Terry, I also have had clinical depression. No more though. Now I understand myself. Let's say I was lucky.
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Post by: TerryM on July 27, 2019, 10:31:20 PM
I might have been to hard with you vs Terry, Gero but I saw the comments together and I saw red. My wife has had chronic pain for a decade due to back injury and is treated like a junkie by the doctors because she complains about being in severe pain. And you hear comments from people to essentially suck it up and it’s not that bad.  When pain and depression depend on the individual’s biochemistry!!

I apologize..


No need.
I screwed up my back ~50 years ago and when it hurts the pain is barely bearable - opioids rule.


Clinical depressions started before I was out of my teens & I've since spoken to everyone I knew who had similar experiences. Those that ended by choosing suicide had also chosen anti-depressants, hence my avoidance of the same.


My wife also suffers from depression, though so far we've never had overlapping incidents. She took what was prescribed for ~ one year, gained damn near 100 pounds and got off the stuff. Can you imagine prescribing a pill that causes rapid weight gain to a depressed female?
Her weight's back to normal & she won't even consider another pill, although she finds help with therapists and in group therapy.


If I had anything good to say about anti-depressants I'd say so. I'ts not so much a question of "sucking it up", as coming to the conclusion that the risks far outweigh the benefits.


Cheers
Terry
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Post by: gerontocrat on July 27, 2019, 11:45:03 PM
I might have been to hard with you vs Terry, Gero but I saw the comments together and I saw red. My wife has had chronic pain for a decade due to back injury and is treated like a junkie by the doctors because she complains about being in severe pain. And you hear comments from people to essentially suck it up and it’s not that bad.  When pain and depression depend on the individual’s biochemistry!!

I apologize..
As the Scots might say "Dinna Fash".

I was having one of those days with yuck thoughts invading the brain, so reacted badly myself.

But an hour or so ago I found some new data from GRACE-FO in a format I could read.
Such a silly little thing really, but lifted the mood. Grains are weird.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: vox_mundi on July 29, 2019, 03:19:36 AM
Related to https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2346.msg211086.html#msg211086

After a Human Shooting, Florida Tempers Its Advice On Hunting Invasive Iguanas
https://qz.com/1676561/florida-tempers-advice-on-hunting-invasive-iguanas/amp/

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission (FWC) wishes to inform state residents that they can kill green iguanas, which are not a native species, but they can’t go around shooting the creatures willy-nilly.

... Now that a human has been shot in one resident’s quest to get rid of iguanas, the FWC is being more explicit, however. “If you are not capable of safely removing iguanas from your property, please seek assistance from professionals who do this for a living,” said FWC commissioner Rodney Barreto in the most recent statement.

On July 5, an iguana hunter armed with a pellet gun accidentally shot a swimming pool maintenance worker in a residential neighborhood of Boca Raton. E-Lyn Bryan heard a shout and saw blood squirting from a wound sustained by her “pool guy.” She told NBC 6 in south Florida, “We have iguanas everywhere. If neighbors are gonna be like the Wild West and shoot at everything, someone’s gonna get killed.”

(https://www.caymancompass.com/core/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Jake-Fuller-Iguana-Power-Line-cartoon-clr.jpg)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: blumenkraft on August 03, 2019, 04:25:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViWvAnvT17c
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: nanning on August 05, 2019, 06:51:47 PM
A thought, a view:
The trend in cost-cutting, where companies go far beyond moral limits, says there are no limits. The management of fossil fuel companies, agri-business, gene-editing companies, earlier the tobacco business, mining, silicon valley etc. are metaphorically morally speaking in the deepest pit of hell but they are champions there! They think they are really successful. They have a lot of possessions and status but they destroy all life. With cooperation from many of the politicians (corruption).

As an analogy: In "The Neverending Story" they are "the Nothing". Ending the story (of humans).

It is total insanity and these are smart people.
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Post by: vox_mundi on August 08, 2019, 11:01:24 PM
For those who get tired of killing iguanas ...

The War On Pythons: Florida Gov. DeSantis Steps Up the Fight
https://phys.org/news/2019-08-war-pythons-florida-gov-desantis.html

Gov. Ron DeSantis said the state has worked out a plan with the federal government to allow hunters greater access to Big Cypress National Preserve in the western Everglades. He said state agencies have agreed on a plan to fight the pythons in state parks and are working with local governments to remove them from locally owned land. And he said there will be annual Python Challenge contests to catch the most pythons.

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See also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whacking_Day

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ-7c7ryljs
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Post by: gerontocrat on August 09, 2019, 12:41:48 PM
There have been an attempt or two recently to bend this forum to a more climate activist stance. Fortunately, IMHO, failed.

A recent post on SkepticalScience says there are at least 175 US-based organisations doing the the climate change activism thing. and here are the links.

The choice is yours - if you want one.
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https://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/travel/climate-change-take-action-activist-20190716
A Climate Action for Every Type of Activist
No matter your age, gender, race, or political ideology, there are ways to fight climate change that fit your life and values.

https://skepticalscience.com/2019-SkS-Weekly-News-Roundup_29.html   
2019 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #29
Posted on 20 July 2019 by John Hartz
A Climate Action for Every Type of Activist
No matter your age, gender, race, or political ideology, there are ways to fight climate change that fit your life and values.

The U.S. Climate Action Network lists more than 175 member organizations, which are activist groups working through energy policy to fight climate change. And that doesn’t include all of the environmental groups out there. So you have lots of options for getting involved.
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Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: vox_mundi on August 09, 2019, 05:22:43 PM
Chicago Water Pollution Keeping Invasive Silver Carp Out of Great Lakes
https://phys.org/news/2019-08-chicago-pollution-invasive-silver-carp.html

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Invasive silver carp have been moving north toward the Great Lakes since their accidental release in the 1970s. The large filter-feeding fish, which are known to jump from the water and wallop anglers, threaten aquatic food webs as well as the $7 billion Great Lakes fishery. But, for the past decade, the invading front hasn't moved past Kankakee. A new study, led by scientists at the University of Illinois, suggests that Chicago's water pollution may be a contributing to this lack of upstream movement.

"It's a really toxic soup coming down from the Chicago Area Waterway, but a lot of those chemicals go away near Kankakee. They might degrade or settle out, or the Kankakee River might dilute them. We don't really know what happens, but there's a stark change in water quality at that point. That's right where the invading front stops," says Cory Suski, associate professor in the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Sciences and co-author of the study. "And this fish never stops for anything."

... "We saw huge differences in gene expression patterns between the Kankakee fish and the two downstream populations," Suski explains. "Fish near Kankakee were turning on genes associated with clearing out toxins and turning off genes related to DNA repair and protective measures. Basically, their livers are working overtime and detoxifying pathways are extremely active, which seem to be occurring at the cost of their own repair mechanisms. We didn't see that in either of the downstream populations." 


... Right now, it's a black box—the USGS study documented approximately 280 chemicals in the Chicago Area Waterway and downstream sites.

Regardless of which specific pollutants may be responsible for stopping silver carp—if that hypothesis is later proven—the results could have interesting implications for management.

(https://repeatingislands.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/98582270-fresh-water-invasive-species.jpg?w=500)

Jennifer D. Jeffrey et al, Physiological status of silver carp (Hypophthalmichthys molitrix) in the Illinois River: An assessment of fish at the leading edge of the invasion front (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1744117X19301431?via%3Dihub   ), Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology Part D: Genomics and Proteomics (2019)
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Post by: vox_mundi on August 12, 2019, 03:06:49 AM
Karma's a bitch ...

Angry Mob Attacks Men for Killing an Endangered Bird in Germany
https://m.dw.com/en/angry-mob-attacks-men-for-killing-an-endangered-bird-in-germany/a-49988190

... Two German men allegedly beat a rare capercaillie (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_capercaillie) to death with a bottle on Saturday afternoon, while making their way home from a party, police in the town of Titisee-Neustadt said on Sunday. The men said the bird had threatened them and they merely defended themselves.

... Onlookers, however, were enraged and attacked the men, according to a report released by the police. The angry crowd beat the suspected bird killers and poured beer over them, before detaining the two until police arrived.

... The capercaillie is at risk of extinction in Germany and elsewhere in Europe.

Encounters with humans are not uncommon in hilly regions where the birds live and the males are known to be very territorial.

(https://m.dw.com/image/49987793_303.jpg)

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Sounds like wild turkeys in our area.
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Post by: DrTskoul on August 12, 2019, 03:13:22 AM
And the bitch hurts.... good beating....
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Post by: petm on August 12, 2019, 03:19:16 AM
 ??? :D For once I agree with the mob. The bird threatened them -- doucebags!
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Post by: kassy on August 12, 2019, 07:36:30 PM
Some people don´t breathe but just steal oxygen.
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Post by: kassy on August 15, 2019, 10:34:24 AM
Organic Apples Host Beneficial Bacteria

Research recently published in Frontiers in Microbiology found that organic and conventional store-bought apples are more different than you might think. There are noticeable differences in size and taste between the two, but they also house very different populations of microorganisms: something that has the potential to influence your health.

...

Both organic and conventional store-bought apples, at a 240-gram weight, were estimated to feature roughly 100-million bacteria. They are everywhere—the skin, pulp, and seeds. The difference—which was stark—was the type of organisms they found.

The organic apples had a much more distinct and diverse microbial population than conventionally grown apples. Researchers said harmful bacteria was found in conventional apples. However, none were found in organic varieties. Further, organic apples were high in healthful, probiotic microorganisms and were absent in conventional apples.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/organic-apples-host-beneficial-bacteria_3035557.html
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Post by: nanning on August 15, 2019, 11:06:39 AM
Thank you for the eye-opener kassy. Very interesting and significant I think.
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Post by: SteveMDFP on August 15, 2019, 05:30:12 PM
Thank you for the eye-opener kassy. Very interesting and significant I think.

Indeed.  I tend to be mildly skeptical of purported health benefits of "organic" produce.  But this sounds persuasive, at least for apples.  So I tracked down the actual research article.

An Apple a Day: Which Bacteria Do We Eat With Organic and Conventional Apples?
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2019.01629/full (https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2019.01629/full)

Strictly speaking, they only studied "the cultivar “Arlet” was selected. Both the organically and the conventionally produced apples were cultivated in Styria (Austria) under AMAG.A.P. Certification."

So Neven can personally benefit with confidence.  The rest of us can reasonably rely on the findings likely being generalizable to other cultivars.  I am still skeptical, however, that US "organic" designation is comparable to the Austrian definition.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: nanning on August 15, 2019, 06:31:29 PM
I don't know the quality control in the U.S.A. of organic produce, but it is hard to deny the positives of having your produce not sprayed with Monsanto chemicals.
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Post by: FrostKing70 on August 15, 2019, 07:49:39 PM
I think I will buy some apple trees for the back yard!
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Post by: vox_mundi on August 27, 2019, 06:51:10 PM
Albino Lizards are World's First Gene-Edited Reptiles
https://phys.org/news/2019-08-albino-lizards-world-gene-edited-reptiles.html

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Meet the world's first gene-edited reptiles: albino lizards roughly the size of your index finger. Researchers used CRISPR-Cas9 to make the lizards, providing a technique for gene editing outside of major animal models. In their study, publishing August 27 in the journal Cell Reports, the researchers also show that the lizards can successfully pass gene-edited alleles for albinism to their offspring.

... "Relative to the very established model systems that can have efficiencies up to 80% or higher, 6% seems low, but no one has been able to do these sorts of manipulations in any reptile before," Menke says. "There's not a large community of developmental geneticists that are studying reptiles, so we're hoping to tap into exciting functional biology that has been unexplored."

Cell Reports, Rasys et al.: "CRISPR-Cas9 Gene Editing in Lizards Through Microinjection of Unfertilized Oocytes"

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Next Experiment:

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Post by: vox_mundi on August 28, 2019, 12:32:53 PM
Angry Rhino Flips Car at German Safari Park
https://m.dw.com/en/angry-rhino-flips-car-at-german-safari-park/a-50189515

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY519uoLPQ4

A rhinoceros at the German safari Serengeti Park attacked an animal keeper in her car, overturning the vehicle three times, the park confirmed Tuesday

It's unclear what enraged Kusini, who had been living in the park for the past 18 months and was still acclimating to his new surroundings, Sepe said.
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Post by: vox_mundi on August 30, 2019, 01:01:50 AM
Brain Waves Detected in Mini-Brains Grown in a Dish
https://phys.org/news/2019-08-brain-mini-brains-grown-dish.html

Machine Learning Algorithm Can't Distinguish Lab Mini-Brains from Preemie Babies
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-08-machine-algorithm-distinguish-lab-mini-brains.html

Scientists have created miniature brains from stem cells that developed functional neural networks. Despite being a million times smaller than human brains, these lab-grown brains are the first observed to produce brain waves that resemble those of preterm babies. The study, published August 29 in the journal Cell Stem Cell, could help scientists better understand human brain development.

The electrical impulse pattern for nine-month-old brain organoids revealed similar features to those of a premature infant who had reached full-term (40 weeks gestation).

In the latest study, Muotri and colleagues optimized every step of brain organoid construction. For example, they started from single cells, rather than the clumps of cells used in most protocols. They also tweaked the precise timing and concentration of factors added to prompt brain cell organization. There wasn't a single secret ingredient or innovation, he said, but rather several improvements over time.

The optimization paid off in terms of cellular diversity and cellular network activity. For example, the team detected a particular primate-specific neuron, called a cortical GABAergic neuron, that had never before been generated in a lab dish. According to Muotri, these cells are important players in the sophistication of neural networks.

To measure cellular network activity, the researchers grew their newly optimized brain organoids on multi-electrode arrays. The electrodes capture and record electrical impulses, which appear as patterns of waves and spikes in an EEG read-out. With the new protocol, the brain organoids went from producing 3,000 spikes per minute to 300,000 spikes per minute.

To compare the brain wave patterns of organoids with those of human brains early in development, the team trained a machine learning algorithm with brain waves recorded from 39 premature babies between six and nine-and-a-half months old. The algorithm was able to predict how many weeks the organoids have developed in culture, which suggests these organoids and human brain share a similar growth trajectory.

Open Access: Trujillo, Gao, and Negraes et al.: "Complex oscillatory waves emerging from cortical organoids model early human brain network development" (https://www.cell.com/cell-stem-cell/fulltext/S1934-5909(19)30337-6), Cell Stem Cell
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Post by: TerryM on August 30, 2019, 02:37:18 AM
Of what species were the 40 week & 9.5 month old prematures babies? ::)
Tery
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: vox_mundi on August 30, 2019, 02:44:01 AM
Human
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Post by: TerryM on August 30, 2019, 03:03:09 AM
Human
Human preemies at 9.5 months?


What am I missing.
Terry
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Post by: vox_mundi on August 30, 2019, 03:17:11 AM
I think the sentence your referring to is ...

.... 39 premature babies between six and nine-and-a-half months old

which qualifies as premature (not so much over 9 months)
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Post by: TerryM on August 30, 2019, 03:37:32 AM
I think the sentence your referring to is ...

.... 39 premature babies between six and nine-and-a-half months old

which qualifies as premature (not so much over 9 months)
'Tis indeed the 2nd figure that gives me pause. :)
Terry
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: oren on September 02, 2019, 10:48:01 AM
Premature baby, born at 7 months for example, grows to be 9.5 months?
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Post by: vox_mundi on September 02, 2019, 04:40:13 PM
Psychologists Define the 'Dark Core of Personality'
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-09-psychologists-dark-core-personality.html

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Egoism, Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy, sadism, spitefulness and others are among the traits of the malevolent side of human personality. As results from a recently published German-Danish research project show, these traits share a common "dark core." People with one of these tendencies are also likely to have one or more of the others.

... Although at first glance, there appear to be noteworthy differences between these traits—and it may seem more "acceptable" to be an egoist than a psychopath—new research shows that all dark aspects of human personality are very closely linked and are based on the same tendency. That is, most dark traits can be understood as flavoured manifestations of a single common underlying disposition: The dark core of personality. In practice, this implies that if you have a tendency to show one of these dark personality traits, you are also more likely to have a strong tendency to display one or more of the others.

As the new research reveals, the common denominator of all dark traits, the D-factor, can be defined as:

Quote
... the general tendency to maximize one's individual utility—disregarding, accepting or malevolently provoking disutility for others—accompanied by beliefs that serve as justifications

In other words, all dark traits can be traced back to the general tendency of placing one's own goals and interests over those of others, even to the extent of taking pleasure in hurting others—along with a host of beliefs that serve as justifications and thus prevent feelings of guilt, shame or regret. The research shows that dark traits in general can be understood as instances of this common core—although they may differ in which aspects are predominant (e.g., the justifications aspect is very strong in narcissism, whereas the aspect of malevolently provoking disutility is the main feature of sadism) .

Nine of the most commonly studied dark personality traits:

- Egoism: an excessive preoccupation with one's own advantage at the expense of others and the community
- Machiavellianism: a manipulative, callous attitude and a belief that the ends justify the means
- Moral disengagement: cognitive processing style that allows behaving unethically without feeling distress
- Narcissism: excessive self-absorption, a sense of superiority, and an extreme need for attention from others
- Psychological entitlement: a recurring belief that one is better than others and deserves better treatment
- Psychopathy: lack of empathy and self-control, combined with impulsive behaviour
- Sadism: a desire to inflict mental or physical harm on others for one's own pleasure or to benefit oneself
- Self-interest: a desire to advance and highlight one's own social and financial status
- Spitefulness: destructiveness and willingness to cause harm to others, even if one harms oneself in the process


Morten Moshagen et al, The dark core of personality. (https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Frev0000111  ), Psychological Review (2018)

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Sound familiar?

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Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: nanning on September 02, 2019, 06:25:37 PM
Thank you vox for that very interesting post.
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Post by: vox_mundi on September 07, 2019, 01:15:06 AM
The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything, Finally Cracked
https://gizmodo.com/the-answer-to-life-the-universe-and-everything-final-1837941162
https://phys.org/news/2019-09-sum-cubes-solvedusing-real-life.html

We all know that 42 is the answer to life, the universe, and everything, thanks to The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.

Now we know the question.

It’s the sum of three cubes.

The original problem, set in 1954 at the University of Cambridge, looked for Solutions of the Diophantine Equation x3+y3+z3=k, with k being all the numbers from one to 100.

Mathematicians had found x, y, and, z for almost all numbers less than 100. Forty-two was the last number without a proven solution—until now.

Researchers Andrew Sutherland at MIT and Andrew Booker at the University of Bristol in the United Kingdom found the result using over a million hours of computing time on the Charity Engine, according to a press release. The Charity Engine is a computing platform that takes unused processing power from 500,000 home computers to produce a kind of world-wide supercomputer.

And as it appears on Booker’s and Sutherland’s homepages:

Deep Thought: ... the answer to the life, the universe, and everything is ...

(-80538738812075974)^3 + 80435758145817515^3 + 12602123297335631^3 = 42

(https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftalesoftheenterprise.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F03%2FDeep-Thought-2.png&hash=d9d3d77857346d58ffb810676e5812da)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: SteveMDFP on September 07, 2019, 11:03:59 AM


Deep Thought: ... the answer to the life, the universe, and everything is ...

(-80538738812075974)^3 + 80435758145817515^3 + 12602123297335631^3 = 42


Oh, dear.  Now the earth's purpose is complete, and will be promptly scrapped.  The dolphins will evacuate, the mice will exit into pan-dimensional hyperspace, and the Vogon fleet is at our doorstep.

So much for my hopes of converting to BEV an old Ford Prefect.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: blumenkraft on September 07, 2019, 11:32:41 AM
Thanks for all the fish!
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: johnm33 on September 07, 2019, 11:57:37 AM
" the earth's purpose is complete"
Until the sun sends us the bill everything will be ok.
Plus a little confimation bias, http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2019/08/arctic-storms.html storms [lows] centered on the pole accelerate ice/surface water, relative to the rotating frame, which must then move south, coinciding with tidal forcing of Atl. waters through to St. Anna trough and thus across to Lomonosov would cause serious upwelling of warm waters, but even this late in the season not enough to cause more than temporary melt, that may change.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: kassy on September 07, 2019, 09:25:56 PM
I would love to know if Douglas Adams actually knew about this problem.

42 is also the sum of the dice sides times two.
 
And a pair of dice is close to paradise in word meaning so this is probably still the easier explanation.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on September 08, 2019, 12:11:40 PM
Free India Of Water Crisis
Cauvery Calling


   Action Now (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAW90wdIZlY&feature=youtu.be&t=2420)

more (https://www.youtube.com/user/sadhguru/videos)

Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on September 13, 2019, 07:08:47 PM
The Framework :: Involvement : Process Oriented

 Are politicians corrupt?  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA8zXlmlifM&feature=youtu.be&t=212)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEQfjV0UcAsAVBJ.jpg)

Rally For Life (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVmz6u4kMCQ)

<  >
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: Aporia_filia on September 15, 2019, 11:44:29 AM
I don't know where to post these sounds of the forest. A very good friend of mine have done some videos from his visit to my place last July. He likes showing nature to city's people. At least one of his books is well recommended in different universities (Etologia del lobo y del perro)(https://www.todostuslibros.com/autor/nieto-macein-david)
These are kind of 'easy videos', not professional work, but maybe some would find them interesting.
Translation:
Zorzal=Thrush ;    Curruca c.=Sylvia atricapilla= Eurasian Blackcap ;  Chochín=Troglodytes troglodytes=wern ; 
Mito=Aegithalos caudatus=long-tailed tit ;  Pollos=chicks
Constant noise of water (I'm close to a creek), very complex songs from the thrushes, and the 'orbayu' the very common misty rain that we enjoy.
https://youtu.be/bOJDwQgy18A
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Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 21, 2019, 12:24:30 AM
The Climate Disaster Inside America’s Prisons
https://newrepublic.com/article/155092/climate-disaster-inside-americas-prisons
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Global warming far and away is the most pressing issue facing the United States (and the rest of the planet). The fast-approaching climate reckoning is bigger than the presidential election, bigger than our imperialist forever wars, bigger even than the virulent fascist threat that’s taken root in the White House and spread its tendrils across the globe. It is no longer an exaggeration to say that the world is dying. Time is running out to pull back from the point of no return before it swallows us all whole.
For millions of Americans, that point is already here—and unlike the majority of people, they have no way to escape its horrors. When natural disasters hit, incarcerated people are often the first to be abandoned; as the climate crisis worsens, so will their suffering. The specter of climate change is a hazardous fact of life for the prisoners forced to labor in sweltering Texas fields, the ones fighting wildfires for pennies in California, and those recently left trapped in the path of Hurricane Dorian when South Carolina prison officials declined to evacuate them ahead of the storm.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: vox_mundi on October 03, 2019, 07:19:29 PM
Golden Ratio Observed in Human Skulls
https://phys.org/news/2019-10-golden-ratio-human-skulls.html

(https://www.cubettech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IMG2_1.png)

In a new study investigating whether skull shape follows the Golden Ratio (1.61803398875 … ), Johns Hopkins researchers compared 100 human skulls to 70 skulls from six other animals, and found that the human skull dimensions followed the Golden Ratio. The skulls of less related species such as dogs, two kinds of monkeys, rabbits, lions and tigers, however, diverged from this ratio.

Rafael J. Tamargo et al. Mammalian Skull Dimensions and the Golden Ratio (Φ), Journal of Craniofacial Surgery (2019)

(https://cdn2.vectorstock.com/i/1000x1000/87/16/scheme-of-golden-ratio-section-fibonacci-spiral-vector-21098716.jpg)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on October 06, 2019, 09:44:22 AM
There is No Planet B

Sadhguru SadhguruJV 21h21 hours ago:
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Even to think of a Planet B is shameful. Even if there is a Planet B, we should never step on it because of what we have done to Planet A. Reducing human population should become a priority for world leaders. -Sg @PrakashJavdekar @UNCCD #CauveryCalling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCnoIU8MRRM

"There is No Planet B" streamed live on Oct 3, 2019, World Economic Forum (https://www.youtube.com/user/WorldEconomicForum/videos).
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Post by: ivica on October 12, 2019, 10:45:18 AM
Cauvery Calling Karma
(think karma vs actions as climate vs weather, tendencies)

12 years long commitment, economic plan with ecological impact, obliterating caste, religion, political differencies: Together we can do what no single government can do (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB778NSn6zE&feature=youtu.be&t=120).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZm2Fwb-x-Q   
Media Coverage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnOiyFj08v8): Print 1300+, Television 800+, Media interactions 200+.

How to Be Part of the Solution? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4BbfH8hqHg) Fundraising platforms (https://www.ishaoutreach.org/en/cauvery-calling/campaigns): donate trees to Cauvery on existing platform or open your own.

... (https://youtu.be/nBoj94CT9OQ?t=1)
Inspiring Story of Agroforestry Farmer Earning 1 Crore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKc5i9iuVBc)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: TerryM on October 12, 2019, 06:16:31 PM
ivica


Is it possible to wear a motorcycle helmet over a turban, or does one wrap the turban over the helmet?
Terry :)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on October 12, 2019, 06:28:13 PM
TerryM, i don't have motorbike, i don't have helmet, heck i do not even have turban. Perhaps you can do experiment and report finding . ;) .  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Q166nhEbY)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: TerryM on October 12, 2019, 06:43:29 PM
I'll do it ivica. We've a Liberal MP with a turban that I run into occasionally. Not sure that he ever rode a bike, but I bet he knows the answer. :)
Terry
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: philopek on October 12, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
I'll do it ivica. We've a Liberal MP with a turban that I run into occasionally. Not sure that he ever rode a bike, but I bet he knows the answer.
Terry

What about a "carbon-turban" perhaps even a business idea ;) ;)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: TerryM on October 13, 2019, 12:36:38 AM
phil
My understanding is that some theology(s?) require some males to wrap a turban about their head at some times &/or on some occasions, &/or in some locations -  and I don't want to brush these under the rug since a properly fitted turban should aleviate any need for wearing a rug.
 My own languidly grasped theology requests the wearing of a Traditional Tin Colander only on such occasions when it is felt that donning the Divine Device will cause discomfort to Theologists, Licensing Photographers, Lawyers & Lawmakers. The wearing of the TTC is "Always Admired, but Never Required".TM


We believe that allowing our pate to be Directly & Divinely Enwrapped by His Noodley Appendage while Enraptured, then toweling off and disposing of any Divinely Deposited Wholly Cheesy Sauce is certainly more Symbolically Sanitary than wearing a Symbolically Saturated Saucy Towel while amongst the Pagan Public. Single Service Paper Towels serve to remind The Faithful of the Glorious Piracy of Lumber Barons, whose lifestyle many of our Pirate Prophets Aspired Too Emulate.


Paper Towels/Turbans it should be noted could sequester carbon for long periods if they were but properly preserved and venerated as the sacred relics that they certainly represent, at least among those estranged from the FSM.


(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.insideedition.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimages%2F2017-06%2F23695.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)


Raman
Terry
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on October 13, 2019, 12:59:12 PM
"Every one knows what the problem is, and everyone knows the solution too. But they need an idiot who will come and bell the cat. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZm2Fwb-x-Q&feature=youtu.be&t=442)"

Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on October 14, 2019, 02:42:37 PM
Some excerpts from "How to Be Part of the Solution? (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2346.msg232837.html#msg232837)" video given previously:

   ...slowly we turned the mindset around in the last 3 years... that ...it is not necessary to have a billion dollar research and everything, it is simply by observing nature we can replicate the same things effortlessly, so this turnaround of mindset is the biggest achievement of Rally For Rivers.

   ...we (isha-outreach) got acredition from UNCCD.

   ...I thought the government will be the biggest challenge... but we crossed that threshold ...it took almost 2 years of relentless pursuit.

   ...Cauvery is very important because it is demonstratable model for the rest of the tropical world...

Fundraising platforms (https://www.ishaoutreach.org/en/cauvery-calling/campaigns).
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on October 15, 2019, 12:00:56 PM
Intelligence of Ignorance
(Longing to Know)


What i know, i know
what i do not know, i do not know
i have no reason to believe
i have no reason to disbelieve
i can enjoy it all
while longing to know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN3x-kAbgFU
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: vox_mundi on October 16, 2019, 12:24:38 AM
The Giant Geode of Pulpí
https://phys.org/news/2019-10-giant-geode-pulp237.html

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ohytp6jCwo

The geode of Pulpí is an 11-meter hollow ovoid with crystal-paneled walls. It is like those familiar couplets of stone interiors covered with bright crystallites, but so large that several people can fit inside. The crystals, of up to two meters in size, are so transparent that they look like ice crystals. In this paper for Geology, Juan Manuel García-Ruiz and colleagues reveal the geological history that ended with the formation of the Pulpí geode.

Like the giant crystals of Naica in Mexico (see the 2007 Geology article by García-Ruiz and colleagues at https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/35/4/327/129804/  ), the crystals of Pulpí are gypsum (calcium sulfate with two water molecules).

Because of their purity, the crystals forming the geode cannot be dated precisely. But indirect constraint can be done: "They grew for sure after the desiccation of the Mediterranean Sea that occurred 5.6 million years ago. They are most probably younger than two million years but older than 60.000 years because this is the age of the carbonate crust coating one of the large gypsum crystal," says García-Ruiz.

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/doi/10.1130/G46734.1/574380/The-origin-of-large-gypsum-crystals-in-the-Geode
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Post by: kassy on October 16, 2019, 10:36:50 AM
Study Casts Doubt on One of Our Key Assumptions About The 'Powerhouse of The Cell'


But an important new study suggests they're actually more like the cutting edge battery packs inside Tesla's cars - with each fold inside the mitochondria providing power independently.

And that actually makes a lot of sense. The reason Tesla's become such a big name in electric cars and power storage is because their battery systems are capable of packing a whole lot of energy into a small space - while ensuring the failure of one part doesn't bring down the whole setup.

Now new research by American and German scientists suggests that nature may have thought up a similar system first.

...

To test the one mitochondrion/one battery model, the endocrinologist and his team used high resolution microscopy and staining techniques to observe the fine details of mitochondria inside several different types of human cell.

The staining also allowed them to determine how a voltage difference called the mitochondrial membrane potential varied along the meandering curtain of inner membrane.

If the whole membrane had the same potential, or if everything depolarised when a single cristae was damaged, a single mitochondrion could be considered to be acting as a unit. But that isn't what Shirihai and his team saw at all.

"What the images told us was that each of these cristae is electrically independent, functioning as an autonomous battery," says Shirihai.

"One cristae can get damaged and stop functioning while the others maintain their membrane potential."

https://www.sciencealert.com/tiny-power-units-inside-our-cells-act-more-like-an-electric-car-s-battery-than-we-thought
Title: Re: Unsorted - Canadian Election 2019
Post by: wdmn on October 21, 2019, 09:33:03 PM
Canadians are voting today.

Nationally there are four main parties (plus a party that only runs in the province of Quebec): the Liberals (who are currently in power), the Conservatives, the NDP (slightly left of centre), and the Green Party.

The Conservative Party wants to scrap the carbon tax that was just brought in this year by the Liberal Party (and has been praised highly by James Hansen). The Conservatives are also very pro-pipeline expansion, though the Liberal Party also intends to build at least one more pipeline (Trans-Mountain).

The Greens have two seats going into this election, and it was thought that this would be a big chance for them, however, the NDP seem to have been surging in the last couple of weeks.

There's been a lot of talk about vote splitting (as always); people are afraid of the conservatives getting in power and are being encouraged to vote Liberal. However, it looks like we might end up with a minority government, where no one party has enough seats to govern, thus forcing a coalition. In certain scenarios a coalition government could give the Green Party significant influence.

Results should start coming in in about 4 hours from now.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: TerryM on October 21, 2019, 10:04:38 PM
I'm off to check off the Liberal box at the polls. Harpers reign is too fresh in my mind to take a chance on voting for any of the other party even though my own politics is much more closely aligned with the NDP's platform. Trudeau has been a huge disappointment, but the possibility of another Conservative government is as real as Cambridge Analitica flipping a few well chosen seats.


ABC - Anyone But Conservatives
Terry
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: nanning on October 22, 2019, 06:38:13 AM
Why not vote for the greenest party Terry?
I don't know your GRN party's integrity but from wdmn's emissions projections graph, they are nicely ambitious. The rest aren't.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: wdmn on October 22, 2019, 09:07:41 PM
The results are final.

The Liberals were given a minority government. In order to pass legislation they will need the help of either the Conservatives, the Bloc Quebecois (a Quebec sovereignty party that is quite progressive on climate change), or the NDP.

The two main oil producing provinces (Alberta and Saskatchewan) only elected one non-conservative member of parliament between them.

In much of the rest of the country (especially the urban centres) it seems that many went the route of Terry and voted Liberal out of fear of vote splitting leading to a Conservative government. For many people this was connected to a fear of moving backwards on climate change action.

The Green Party increased their number of seats from 2 to 3, and doubled their percentage of the popular vote from the previous election. The First Past the Post system ensured that though they received only slightly fewer votes than the Bloc Quebecois, they won 1/10th of the seats.

We'll see how long this government lasts... but it seems that the federal carbon tax is safe for now. Will the Liberals be able to build their Trans Mountain pipeline?
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: TerryM on October 22, 2019, 11:17:45 PM
The results in Canada are encouraging.


Trudeau's appeasement of western energy interests cost him votes in the rest of the country, while not bringing him a single seat in the west. Who will push the pipeline forward now?


The Parties that the Liberals now need the cooperation of are all greener and further to the left, so I expect Trudeau to initiate programs more to my liking, and more to the liking of those, like I, who held their nose as they checked the Liberal candidate's box.


Trudeau's tough on Russia agenda didn't win him any votes in the west where Ukrainian Canadians voted for the Conservative Party. We'll see if our Canadian version of Cookie Lady Nuland, Chrystia Freeland, retains her position.


If Trudeau was taking a right wing  "hawkish" stance in hopes of luring former Harper voters to his camp, and if he was hoping that pushing a pipeline would gain him western acceptance, this election should have taught him that these policies have only alienated his base. I believe he's bright enough and flexible enough to return to the green, peaceable policies that won his first election.


At least I hope that these are the lessons learned.
Terry
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: vox_mundi on November 06, 2019, 05:34:52 PM
Researchers Find Connection Between Pathogen History and Degree of Moral Vitalism
https://phys.org/news/2019-11-pathogen-history-degree-moral-vitalism.html

An international team of researchers has found evidence that suggests the degree of moral vitalism—believing in forces of good and evil—in a given society may be related to its pathogen history.

Historians have known for some time that people from earlier times had a tendency to blame the devil or evil spirits for their misfortunes. There is also ample evidence of people blaming diseases on such spirits as well—the reaction by many to the Black Death in Europe is a prime example. In this new effort, the researchers wondered if attributing disease to such spirits might confer an evolutionary advantage.

The researchers looked at data from prior research efforts aimed at better understanding the role the evil eye and the devil have played in various cultures. To gain a better perspective on the data they obtained, they created models that compared the pathogen history of each with the degree of moral vitalism. They report that doing so revealed a pattern: societies that faced more diseases tended to exhibit higher moral vitalism.

In an additional study researchers found what they describe as a clear association in behavior patterns. Those study participants living in places where they were more likely to contract a serious disease tended to have a higher degree of moral vitalism—and they were more likely to engage in behaviors meant to protect themselves from such spirits.

The researchers conclude by suggesting that taken together, the data from the three studies suggests that there is a connection between pathogen history and level of moral vitalism. And they further suggest that it appears to confer an evolutionary advantage. Someone who believes the devil is responsible for making someone sick, for example, will likely take action to avoid being around that person, keeping them safe.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/lXubzuFUOzg8VQ6ssohjI-L9AK64c5WUB6lfIXDYpwk.jpg?auto=webp&s=8f02dfba7dee8db0532e559ee8b4d27054bbbecf)
Ned Flanders speaks

Open Access: Brock Bastian et al. Explaining illness with evil: pathogen prevalence fosters moral vitalism (https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2019.1576), Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences (2019)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: vox_mundi on November 06, 2019, 06:23:33 PM
Learning is Optimized When We Fail 15% of the Time
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-11-optimized.html

Educators and educational scholars have long recognized that there is something of a "sweet spot" when it comes to learning. That is, we learn best when we are challenged to grasp something just outside the bounds of our existing knowledge. When a challenge is too simple, we don't learn anything new; likewise, we don't enhance our knowledge when a challenge is so difficult that we fail entirely or give up.

So where does the sweet spot lie? According to the new study, to be published in the journal Nature Communications, it's when failure occurs 15% of the time. Put another way, it's when the right answer is given 85% of the time.

"These ideas that were out there in the education field—that there is this 'zone of proximal difficulty,' in which you ought to be maximizing your learning—we've put that on a mathematical footing," said UArizona assistant professor of psychology and cognitive science Robert Wilson, lead author of the study, titled "The Eighty Five Percent Rule for Optimal Learning."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12552-4
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: vox_mundi on November 08, 2019, 04:47:50 PM
Microsoft HoloLens mimics STNG HoloDeck

https://youtu.be/h4M6BTYRlKQ

Building the First Holographic Brain 'Atlas'
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-11-holographic-brain-atlas.html

A team of researchers, led by Case Western Reserve University scientists and technicians using the Microsoft HoloLens mixed reality platform, has created what is believed to be the first interactive holographic mapping system of the axonal pathways in the human brain.

"More than 100 clinicians have had a chance to beta test this so far and the excitement around the technology has been exceptional," McIntyre said, adding that the method is already dramatically advancing scientists' understanding of the complexities associated with certain, targeted brain surgeries.

The new research incorporates decades of valuable, but disconnected, neural data from dozens of sources and transforms them into a fully three-dimensional and interactive visualization. Users of the technology, including neural engineers, neuroanatomists, neurologists, and neurosurgeons, are able to see both the animated "atlas" of the brain via the HoloLens headset—and the axonal connections in front of them.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/Holodeck2.jpg)
Computer; End program.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: vox_mundi on November 09, 2019, 06:30:52 PM
'Orangutan Granted Legal 'Personhood' Settles Into New Florida Home
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/orangutan-granted-legal-personhood-settles-new-florida-home-n1079261

Judge Elena Liberatori's landmark ruling in 2015 declared that Sandra is legally not an animal, but a non-human person, thus entitled to some legal rights enjoyed by people, and better living conditions.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: vox_mundi on November 15, 2019, 12:37:42 AM
Hell Yes, Weird Ice Disk Season Is Upon Us
https://earther.gizmodo.com/hell-yes-weird-ice-disk-season-is-upon-us-1839869456

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_400/rvxai9usvas7hgoiilmu.jpg)

Video emerged on Thursday of the first known swirly ice disk of the season. While smaller than the monstrous platter of ice that clogged Maine’s Presumpscot River last year, the new floating circle of ice spotted in Haynesville, Maine is still pretty cool.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: kassy on November 15, 2019, 03:30:21 PM
sorry, I totally lied to you in the headline and I hope you can forgive me

At least he is honest and the picture is worth it.  :)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: vox_mundi on November 15, 2019, 08:52:20 PM
Might come in handy later in the season ...

Ketogenic Diet Helps Tame Flu Virus
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-11-ketogenic-diet-flu-virus.html

A high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet like the Keto regimen has its fans, but influenza apparently isn't one of them.

Mice fed a ketogenic diet were better able to combat the flu virus than mice fed food high in carbohydrates, according to a new Yale University study published Nov. 15 in the journal Science Immunology.

The ketogenic diet—which for people includes meat, fish, poultry, and non-starchy vegetables—activates a subset of T cells in the lungs not previously associated with the immune system's response to influenza, enhancing mucus production from airway cells that can effectively trap the virus, the researchers report.

Specifically, the researchers found that the ketogenic diet triggered the release of gamma delta T cells, immune system cells that produce mucus in the cell linings of the lung—while the high-carbohydrate diet did not.

Open Access: E.L. Goldberg el al., "Ketogenic diet activates protective γδ T cell responses against influenza virus infection," (https://immunology.sciencemag.org/content/4/41/eaav2026) Science Immunology (2019)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on November 18, 2019, 05:36:43 PM
Rally for Life (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2346.msg228414.html#msg228414)

Cooperation with UNCCD (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg229240.html#msg229240) goes on,
Sadhguru and Ibrahim Thiaw (UN Under-Secretary-General and UNCCD Executive Secretary) are speaking about the future of land and our role in it:

... in all the 16 states that I went to every chief minister and every politician of some substance participated in the event
... prime minister received the document
... within the 24 hours they formed committee to look at it
... within 2.5 to 3 months it became official recommended policy for all the 28 states

... this happened only because there were 162 million people backing the whole movement
... people have to express what is it they want ...

Conversation ended 6 hours ago, view on Periscope:
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OdKrLoDAYeJX

Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on November 20, 2019, 11:59:29 AM
Intelligence Without Brains

Watching it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpwW9Lw2Ku4) can entertain you and more. Topics are listed in the video description.

< Life means responsibility, means involvement, means cooperation >
where there is no involvement there will be no life
where there is no cooperation there will be no life
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: nanning on November 21, 2019, 10:26:22 AM
Our current greatest enemy is excess atmospheric CO2.
All our militaries are helping the enemy.
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: TerryM on November 22, 2019, 01:42:55 AM
Our current greatest enemy is excess atmospheric CO2.
All our militaries are helping the enemy.
Terry
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: blumenkraft on November 27, 2019, 05:11:14 PM
A lighthouse in Michigan, before and after a major ice storm

(https://i.redd.it/pd75rqi598141.jpg)
Title: Re: Unsorted
Post by: ivica on November 28, 2019, 08:57:14 PM
do your thoughts owns you or do you own your thoughts? the answer should be obvious . (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bjnRrvx88Y&feature=youtu.be&t=2150)
beyond car-mans philosophy: car can be a nice one but it is still only an accessory, a tool - it shouldn't own you.

" this physiology and this psychology are here to serve us, not for us to serve them " guess who says so
  .  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx1XtKbEtfE&list=RDDx1XtKbEtfE&start_radio=1)

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Post by: TerryM on November 28, 2019, 10:32:42 PM
^^
I'm not sure. That second photo that BKraft posted is so magical that it might well own my thoughts - or at least lease some of them.
It's difficult to pull my eyes away.


A hoary castle risen from Atlantis?
An Arabian, veiled consort?
An Indian Potentates crown?
A Viking Queen trailing her train?


Terry
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Post by: ivica on November 28, 2019, 10:56:20 PM
The 2nd photo looked unrealistic to me so i had to lookup, this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHwwzdLJ4I&feature=youtu.be&t=24) gave me some insight how ice builds over the main struct there.
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Post by: TerryM on November 28, 2019, 11:36:21 PM
^^
I've witnessed strange structures growing in the icy winter mists off Niagara Falls, but there is something haunting and unearthly about BKraft's photo. Your video presented an explanation while his left the mystery alive.
It's like a magician revealing his secret. We want to know how the illusion was done, yet in learning we may have lost sight of the illusion.


The Cree by the Eastmain project worship a goddess who lives in the mist of a huge and powerful waterfall. She disappeared when the river was diverted some years before I arrived. She'd disappeared, but I was told she could still be seen sometimes at night, when the moon light was at the proper angle.


Who was I, a stranger, to argue?
Terry
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Post by: nanning on November 29, 2019, 09:40:08 AM
do your thoughts owns you or do you own your thoughts? the answer should be obvious . (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bjnRrvx88Y&feature=youtu.be&t=2150)
beyond car-mans philosophy: car can be a nice one but it is still only an accessory, a tool - it shouldn't own you.

" this physiology and this psychology are here to serve us, not for us to serve them " guess who says so
  .  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx1XtKbEtfE&list=RDDx1XtKbEtfE&start_radio=1)

Hi Ivica, thanks for the good music :).

Perhaps you find my view interesting:
I think the question "do your thoughts own you or do you own your thoughts" is a clear sign of supremacy. Of mind over body. Of control and ownership.
Owning and being served (depending on the context) are supremacies as well in my view.
The mind/thoughts are part of the body, they are one, and the body/person should naturally be part of living nature.
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Post by: nanning on November 29, 2019, 10:40:47 AM
I have a strong suspicion that there are subliminal messages/manipulations in video's on Youtube. Probably also in their selections/overview where recently pictures from a video get animated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subliminal_stimuli
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Post by: ivica on November 29, 2019, 10:59:43 AM
Hi nanning,
"do your thoughts own you or do you own your thoughts" is a question not a sign of anything.
Let me use other words:
one makes (an unpleasant...) thought and then fights that thought (in order to retain control or whatever nonsense), how come?
(Isn't that like the right hand bites you and the left hand fights the right one to protect you?)
Why to produce such thought in the first place? We must learn to use them consciously.

(recall a life risking situation - say while driving a car:
one acts fast and avoid disaster, thoughts were shut off at that event because they are too slow and of no use - or more 'poeticaly': thoughts betrays hidding like a coward, coming later to give a comentary.)
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Post by: nanning on November 30, 2019, 05:24:28 PM
Do not know where else to post this.

This article is in my opinion a great summary of what's going on with our planet:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/29/countries-from-siberia-to-australia-are-burning-the-age-of-fire-is-the-bleakest-warning-yet
  by Julian Cribb

It is time not only to think the unthinkable, but to speak it: the world economy, civilisation, and maybe our survival as a species are on the line

"It is time not only to think the unthinkable, but to speak it: that the world economy, civilisation, and maybe our very survival as a species are on the line. And it is past time to act"

Please read the linked short article. It is very good I think. And interesting comments.
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Post by: gerontocrat on December 02, 2019, 09:45:38 PM

"It is time not only to think the unthinkable, but to speak it: that the world economy, civilisation, and maybe our very survival as a species are on the line. And it is past time to act"

But what about the REALLY important stuff

Quote
China pork crisis prompts German sausage fears


The Federal Meat Industry Association (BVDF) has sounded a "schnitzel alarm"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-50628310?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment&link_location=live-reporting-story

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Post by: ivica on December 04, 2019, 01:18:53 PM
Why people should be involved (https://twitter.com/SadhguruJV/status/1202173198546026497)?

...   No policy is going to work, unless people cooperate and make it happen
...   the largest wealth we have is our population
...   Wether we will harness this population to become a solution, or we will leave it unharnessed and become a major problem, is in our hands.
...   So educating the population, getting the population inspired and involved is the only solution in the world. Really.

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Post by: ivica on December 04, 2019, 06:48:46 PM
... (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2346.msg178947.html#msg178947)

"As a generation of people we have taken the largest bite out of this planet."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kznsXznyN5Q
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Post by: nanning on December 05, 2019, 07:48:30 AM
"As a generation of people civilisation we have taken the largest bite out of this planet."

Fixed that ;)
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Post by: ivica on December 05, 2019, 08:55:59 AM
 :)  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBoj94CT9OQ&t=0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9zR487LHfY
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Post by: ivica on December 05, 2019, 08:17:54 PM
The unedited YT video "Neil deGrasse Tyson: Why a Colony on Mars is Unlikely to Happen." and the Q&A video
which sleepy and i have mentioned in 2018 at Café (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg143993.html#msg143993) and here (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2346.msg174646.html#msg174646) are no more available at the WGS channel.
(Unedited version is still at the other channel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUw71c0eR9k).)

The edited version, which we searched for, which includes the slides is at the World Government Summit channel with the new title: The Future of Colonizing Space- Neil deGrasse Tyson- WGS 2018 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_m1mPtYzTk&t=0)
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Post by: nanning on December 06, 2019, 04:35:23 PM
   Climate crisis is 'challenge of civilisation', says pope

NOTE: He didn't say "humanity", he said "civilisation". That is very good because it is correct and an important distinction.
Perhaps he reads my writings here and/or earlier in The Guardian  :-X ::) ;D.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/05/climate-crisis-is-challenge-of-civilisation-says-pope
  by Fiona Harvey in Madrid
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Post by: ivica on December 07, 2019, 11:49:17 AM
Marriage of Economy and Ecology (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llx8kJltQnA)

 A really big issue.  (https://twitter.com/wef/status/1201123784931106816)

"A recognition of the contribution whales make could be a valuable alternative to costly and untested proposed technological solutions, such as capturing carbon directly from the air and burying it deep underground."
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/11/whales-carbon-capture-climate-change/

"Wherever whales, the largest living things on earth, are found, so are populations of some of the smallest, phytoplankton. These microscopic creatures not only contribute at least 50 percent of all oxygen to our atmosphere, they do so by capturing about 37 billion metric tons of CO2, an estimated 40 percent of all CO2 produced. To put things in perspective..."

"Exactly how much should we be willing to spend on protecting the whales? We estimate that, if whales were allowed to return to their pre-whaling numbers—capturing 1.7 billion tons of CO2 annually—it would be worth about $13 per person a year to subsidize these whales’ CO2 sequestration efforts."
https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2019/12/natures-solution-to-climate-change-chami.htm

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Post by: kassy on December 07, 2019, 09:01:23 PM
If we only knew and appreciated the contribution of everything.

The whales intrigued me for a time. Just whale poop is amazing just like whales that die of natural causes instead of ´scientific´ japanese harpoons. There was this video of a whale carcass on the sea floor in a time lapse. For the creatures of the rather nutrient poor deep this is a party and all kind of critters showed up for it.

The value of the whales...or the coral reefs which support so much other life and many other unseen habitats that we are losing. The sea floor must be poorer now for the things we did to the whales and also the fish in general.

There was this site from an ocean fishing club in Florida or somewhere around there and they had 70 years of photos or something like that and you could just see the fish shrink.



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Post by: ivica on December 07, 2019, 09:33:11 PM
Re: ´scientific´ japanese harpoons
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...this year is historical, it is the first one where there will be no whaling in international waters. This has been a longtime mission of ours, as some people know, the Japanese fleet has retreated from the Southern ocean.
"Captain Paul Watson, founder of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, has lived an adventurous life. He’s been shot at, imprisoned, and threatened more times than he can remember. For what? For having the audacity to believe that maybe, just maybe, whales have rights and should not be eradicated from this planet for human benefit. His war with those who believe otherwise has spanned over four decades, and, in his words, he’s far from done."
https://uproxx.com/life/trailer-paul-watson-documentary-interview/

Support Sea Shepherds (https://twitter.com/CaptPaulWatson)
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Post by: nanning on December 08, 2019, 08:39:11 AM
Australia’s civil rights rating downgraded as report finds world becoming less free
CIVICUS Monitor finds that in Asia almost nobody lives in a country where civil rights are not being eroded or repressed

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/07/australias-civil-rights-rating-downgraded-as-report-finds-world-becoming-less-free
  by Ben Doherty

 Quotes:
“The percentage of people living in Asian countries with closed, repressed or obstructed civic space is now at 95%.”

“New laws in Australia are creating a chilling effect on freedom of expression, especially for journalists and whistleblowers seeking to expose issues of public interest,” CIVICUS UN adviser Lyndal Rowlands said. “Other new legislation seems to give the government inappropriate powers to allow for unjustified encroachments on Australians’ right to privacy.”

The Australian Council for International Development chief executive, Marc Purcell, said rising authoritarianism was one of the most threatening trends across the Asia-Pacific and that Australia must be more active in responding to this challenge.

“The backsliding on basic civic freedoms and democratic rights is an alarming deterioration,” he said. “The persistent assault on civil society and fundamental freedoms in Asia, particularly on censorship and harassment and even, in some cases, the killing of NGO leaders, demonstrates the need for urgent action.”
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Post by: ivica on December 08, 2019, 12:30:03 PM
More on How Whales Help Life

   9 years ago:    Whale poo to fight CO2? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ev9e2wKcZE)
   5 years ago:    How Whales Change Climate (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M18HxXve3CM)   (Ref. avail.)

   2 days ago:  Why one whale is worth more than 1000 trees | CO2 capturing giants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYBwHnz-yZE
Ralph Chami featured there is one of the authors of the IMF article given previously (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2346.msg239847.html#msg239847).

"Whale preservation should be at the top of the global climate agenda" says someone somewhere. Spread the word.

< Whales (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg66648.html#msg66648) - intelligence in action >

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Post by: ivica on December 09, 2019, 12:29:41 PM
until they become conscious they will never rebel. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4EEa0HAqzQ&feature=youtu.be&t=52)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Statue_of_Leonardo_DaVinci_in_Uffizi_Alley%2C_Florence%2C_Italy.jpg)
by Luigi Pampaloni

edit: i forgot the dot . (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VLWybq0oxc&feature=youtu.be)

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Post by: vox_mundi on December 09, 2019, 07:21:18 PM
Secrets of Orangutan Language Revealed
https://phys.org/news/2019-12-secrets-orangutan-language-revealed.html

Open Access: Andrea Knox et al. Gesture Use in Communication between Mothers and Offspring in Wild Orang-Utans (Pongo pygmaeus wurmbii) from the Sabangau Peat-Swamp Forest, Borneo (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10764-019-00095-w), International Journal of Primatology (2019)
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Post by: ivica on December 10, 2019, 10:33:21 AM
4 years ago (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg66935.html#msg66935)

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/704704ccb1f10ac69c0fa60a3d1cb2cc2de6887f/0_35_3048_1914/master/3048.jpg?w=700&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=f5e0105df780e280b3d304194e22e66d)

"World Music for Environmental Consciousness" launched at UN COP21: Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxClcE6iOYc) and one song from that album, Samsara (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ODJ1jZBJ6w), 
"This song is the voice of our Mother, represented by different lineages of culture, calling on her children to change their ways."

Where are we now (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWtsV50_-p4)  ? (https://youtu.be/0VLS-P9m0BM?t=3)
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Post by: nanning on December 10, 2019, 07:51:08 PM
Bruce, what do you think of this?
From 4m00 on about pigs. Only 3 minutes:

https://www.omropfryslan.nl/utstjoering/hea-fan-12-juny-2019-1725


About a special dog and a beautiful overview of summer 2019 in Fryslân, The Netherlands.
(7m51)
https://www.omropfryslan.nl/utstjoering/hea-fan-13-juny-2019-1725

First 4m40 cows outside industrial agriculture. I think it's beautiful.
https://www.omropfryslan.nl/utstjoering/hea-fan-14-juny-2019-1725


general search if someone's interested:
https://www.omropfryslan.nl/utstjoering/tv?field_uitzending_program=6141&created2%5Bdate%5D=14+jun+2019

Many gems with good music. Many years of beautiful short films.
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Post by: kassy on December 11, 2019, 11:00:26 AM
Dramatic health benefits following air pollution reduction

Reductions in air pollution yielded fast and dramatic impacts on health-outcomes, as well as decreases in all-cause morbidity, according to findings in "Health Benefits of Air Pollution Reduction," new research published in the American Thoracic Society's journal, Annals of the American Thoracic Society.

...

Starting at week one of a ban on smoking in Ireland, for example, there was a 13 percent drop in all-cause mortality, a 26 percent reduction in ischemic heart disease, a 32 percent reduction in stroke, and a 38 percent reduction in chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Interestingly, the greatest benefits in that case occurred among non-smokers.

...

In the United States, a 13-month closure of a steel mill in Utah resulted in reducing hospitalizations for pneumonia, pleurisy, bronchitis and asthma by half. School absenteeism decreased by 40 percent, and daily mortality fell by 16 percent for every 100 ?g/m3 PM10 (a pollutant) decrease. Women who were pregnant during the mill closing were less likely to have premature births.

A 17-day "transportation strategy," in Atlanta, Georgia during the 1996 Olympic Games involved closing parts of the city to help athletes make it to their events on time, but also greatly decreased air pollution. In the following four weeks, children's visits for asthma to clinics dropped by more than 40 percent and trips to emergency departments by 11 percent. Hospitalizations for asthma decreased by 19 percent. Similarly, when China imposed factory and travel restrictions for the Beijing Olympics, lung function improved within two months, with fewer asthma-related physician visits and less cardiovascular mortality.

In addition to city-wide polices, reducing air pollution within the home also led to health benefits. In Nigeria, families who had clean cook stoves that reduced indoor air pollution during a nine-month pregnancy term saw higher birthweights, greater gestational age at delivery, and less perinatal mortality.


...

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/12/191206173634.htm

A nice demonstration of how the pollution we sort of take for granted costs us (society) a lot of money and of course also suffering but that is hard to quantify.
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Post by: ivica on December 11, 2019, 11:30:36 AM
Let us BREATHE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pitTlLFvAEo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exQ9p1VZ0lI

Together. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW7zIns11xE)

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Post by: ivica on December 12, 2019, 11:45:17 AM
Alertness, paying Attention to Now

   Kingfisher bird keeping its head still while preying (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AChaWqmED6A)
   ... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yetr1YDZwz8)

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Post by: ivica on December 13, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
ISS ESA COP25

Luca Parmitano:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELmiFnNXUAASazK.jpg)
Live for UN COP25 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyYkjvoApgQ&feature=youtu.be&t=3010).

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Post by: ivica on December 14, 2019, 11:10:46 AM
Beyond Thinking   

Staying Present (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sKKubwN4vM): Eckhart Tolle

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Post by: ivica on December 15, 2019, 10:34:08 AM
Ricky Kej - Samsara - Song for Kiribati  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGwpcH79bps)- Climate Change

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Post by: ivica on December 16, 2019, 10:54:50 AM
The Journey Into the Now

Meditation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foU1qgOdtwg): Eckhart Tolle  A lot of fun/smiles there :)

< about conscious evolution as a scale: linear it is not - that i know, nor exp?, hyper4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperoperation)? >
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Post by: nanning on December 19, 2019, 02:58:39 PM
With climate discontent rising, scientists warn of social 'tipping point'
  by Megan Rowling

http://news.trust.org/item/20191206172802-5sn1v/

The new analysis warned that failure to address and adapt to climate change would have disastrous consequences for hundreds of millions of people, mainly the very poorest, who are most vulnerable to climate-related disasters like floods and drought.

Espinosa, a former diplomat for Mexico, warned that climate change, as a "threat multiplier" would deepen problems of social inequality and poverty around the world.

Climate change "is really an issue that is very closely related to the wellbeing of societies ... and you can understand that it is very likely to create social unrest," says UN climate chief

Protests - sometimes violent - have erupted from France to Chile in the past year, often provoked by a perceived political insensitivity to ordinary people's struggles for a decent life.

That struggle is also hampered by environmental degradation, analysts said.
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Post by: nanning on December 19, 2019, 07:35:39 PM
These young people have acquired an indelible connection with nature.


Beekeepers traumatised and counselled after hearing animals screaming in pain after bushfires

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-20/beekeepers-traumatised-by-screaming-animals-after-bushfires/11721756
  by By Kerrin Thomas , Michael Cavanagh and Kim Honan


Beekeepers checking on hives are some of the first people into fire-ravaged forests, and are not prepared for the traumatic sights and sounds of wounded and suffering animals.

"It's doing their heads in, the screaming animals, the animals that are in pain, that are crying out in the forest, it's absolutely horrific," Mr Targett said.

One beekeeper employs some young people and it has really traumatised them.

"So the beekeeper has arranged counselling for these young beekeepers who went into the forest and he won't allow them back into the forest for a period of time."

"The fires were that hot in places that some beekeepers, who have a fairly good understanding of their local bush, don't believe those trees will be flowering or producing nectar and pollen for the bees for at least 20 years and in some cases they don't believe it'll be in their lifetime," he said.
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Post by: gerontocrat on December 22, 2019, 01:15:36 PM
Just in case you did not notice, the Winter Solstice was at 4:19 a.m. GMT on 22nd December, i.e. today.

There is a rumour that down south they had a summer solstice at the same time, but I think it's a fairy tale.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/22/druids-and-dancers-gather-at-stonehenge-to-mark-winter-solstice
Druids and dancers gather at Stonehenge to mark winter solstice
Crowds brave the Wiltshire cold to watch the sun rise after the longest night of the year

Quote
The solstice marks the symbolic death and rebirth of the sun, and begins the gradual lengthening of days and shortening of nights.
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Post by: blumenkraft on December 22, 2019, 01:22:24 PM
So, how does one become a druid? I think i want that.
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Post by: nanning on December 22, 2019, 04:22:05 PM
Are you sure? It's very cold there outside and it may even rain. A druid is outside a lot. You may want to reconsider blum ;D
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Post by: blumenkraft on December 22, 2019, 04:40:40 PM
Wait, sure one can't just druid from home?
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Post by: nanning on December 22, 2019, 05:27:28 PM
I don't think central heating is part of the druid package.


From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druid#Societal_role_and_training

Druidic lore consisted of a large number of verses learned by heart, and Caesar remarked that it could take up to twenty years to complete the course of study. What was taught to druid novices anywhere is conjecture: of the druids' oral literature, not one certifiably ancient verse is known to have survived, even in translation.[citation needed] All instruction was communicated orally

Greek and Roman writers frequently made reference to the druids as practitioners of human sacrifice.[23] According to Caesar, those who had been found guilty of theft or other criminal offences were considered preferable for use as sacrificial victims, but when criminals were in short supply, innocents would be acceptable. A form of sacrifice recorded by Caesar was the burning alive of victims in a large wooden effigy,
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Post by: blumenkraft on December 22, 2019, 05:34:56 PM
OK, drop that druid thingy. Lost me at "human sacrifice".
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Post by: Tom_Mazanec on December 22, 2019, 10:32:58 PM
India is fighting a losing war against poachers who kill huge numbers of mongooses to obtain their hair for...
making artist paintbrushes.
This is actually threatening the population of the species.
Meanwhile, conservationists are fighting a losing battle to keep down the population of mongooses on a number of islands where they are pests.
Maybe I am too stupid to think right about this, but why can't we put a bounty on nonnative island mongooses to get the hair for the paintbrushes, and take the pressure off their native range?
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Post by: sidd on December 23, 2019, 12:30:27 AM
Re: a large number of verses learned by heart

sorta like Brahmin priests and the Vedas

sidd
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Post by: johnm33 on December 23, 2019, 11:23:44 PM
Iirc it was Gurdgieff who introduced me to the idea that the long verse narratives that were plied as a trade by professional storytellers were actually a means of transmitting huge amounts of information through the generations without the storyteller having to know what he was transmitting. I sort of got it but 'Homers secret Iliad' demonstrated that i really hadn't, my guess is that 'Homer' was the joint work of the enslaved Troian bards preserving their culture and history for posterity, so perhaps as close as anything to a western tradition of 'Druidism' we have.
Here's (https://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/bim1/bim1004.htm) Ceasars take on the Druids and a critique that seems even handed to me, from the Barddas.
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Post by: nanning on December 24, 2019, 11:29:58 AM
Some nice personal Christmas experiences:

A couple of days ago a kind man gave me a professional warm coat + hat from his previous work at farms. Much appreciated.
Also a couple of days ago a friendly couple invited me at their house for Boxing Day in the afternoon.
House is warm: 17C now. Thanks neighbours :)
This morning I solved a 13* sudoku puzzle (Denksport) without making notes.

Thank god I don't have to spend time with my family (they look down on me for being poor and treat me like shit).


I wish all forum friends a warm, intimate and meaningful Christmas.
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Post by: Aporia_filia on December 24, 2019, 11:40:00 AM
The same for you, nanning, and for the rest of members and readers!!!
From this neck of the woods.

(nanning, have you seen this thread?
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1677.0.html
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Post by: nanning on December 24, 2019, 03:59:39 PM
Thanks for the link to that thread dear Doubtlover, interesting :).
Kept the solar panels free of snow I see :) Nice winter scene over there. Not so much over here. I've just sat for almost 4 hours in 7C in the rain.
Enjoy your holiday.
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Post by: TerryM on December 24, 2019, 04:27:14 PM
They've either spent a fortune on insulation, or the water pipes have frozen and burst.
It looks idyllic, but uninhabitable/uninhabited.


Terry
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Post by: Aporia_filia on December 24, 2019, 09:12:43 PM
Well, Terry, that's my home, where I live all year around.
Didn't expend a penny in insulation, it has very old 1m think rock walls. Only two little windows with single glass and wood cover. The roof has a wavy thin old protection for the water, the tiles on top and a wooden false ceiling where some families of dormice live without paying any rent.
The temperature now in winter inside the  house moves between 10-14°C, now with the fireplace on, in the evening I keep it around 16°C for two or three hours. The bathroom is in the little shed without any heating, the temperature there stays between 5-10°C. You get use to it. It's not painful ;)
The snow doesn't stay for many days, but comes frequently. But yes I have to keep the PVs clean, the sun has been very rare companion the last two months.
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Post by: TerryM on December 24, 2019, 09:26:08 PM
My bad!
I saw the snow on the chimneys & the roof and assumed it was boarded up.


We've a few buildings that I can see from here where some snow has accumulated on the roof, but with most it's gone in a day.


Beautiful location!


Post a photo when the buildings are visible.
Terry
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Post by: gerontocrat on December 24, 2019, 09:45:22 PM
We've a few buildings that I can see from here where some snow has accumulated on the roof, but with most it's gone in a day.
Terry
Snow on roofs is the easiest way to see who's got good roof insulation and who has not. In a cool / cold climate roof insulation is probably the easiest and cheapest home energy saving measure.
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Post by: nanning on December 25, 2019, 06:37:28 AM
Re: chimney

A TIP!
When outside in the cold, your neck/head opening in your clothes functions as a chimney. There you are venting your body warmth.
A very effective and cheap way to stay warm is to wear a separate winter collar. I wear those with the rear side pulled up high onto my bald spot, and then put a hat with ear flaps over it. When I've visited the supermarket in that outfit, almost always am I sweating from the excess heat that can't escape my body.
I think that most people won't wear that because they think it looks silly.
By the way, I never wear sunglasses or somesuch. My eyes are okay, I don't need glasses and I like to see other people's eyes. In the old days nobody had sunglasses.
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Post by: sidd on December 25, 2019, 07:22:06 AM
turtleneck weater, and hooded sweatshirt or jacket seems to do it for me. But when it hits 0F and below, with the wind howling, then i really need the big hat with earmuffs, big insulation on gloves and shoes, greatcoat, scarf and all the rest of it, especially the underlayers.

Also depends on how much subcutaneous fat you got and if you are chopping wood or standing around.

This is a ridiculously warm xmas in OH and western PA. Cant remember one this warm since the late 80's.

sidd
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Post by: Aporia_filia on December 25, 2019, 10:39:26 AM
Terry, this is another photo trying to imitate the other one, but taken this morning with no snow.
Being in the north of Spain we don't suffer from long periods under 0°C, but staying just over is frequent.
I don't cut trees for wood. Only use broken ones. A beautiful old, big, beech did fall a week ago and with this new delicious spring weather I'm up to chop it for winter next year. Last week I was searching wolves in the snow storm and today is going to be sweating with no clothes on top. Crazy weather.
Happy xmas for u all
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Post by: kassy on December 25, 2019, 09:54:00 PM
Snow on roofs is the easiest way to see who's got good roof insulation and who has not. In a cool / cold climate roof insulation is probably the easiest and cheapest home energy saving measure.

Last time when we had a meaningful amount of snow in the netherlands they flew around in helicopters. Some roofs had no snow because they had a rather large energy output because they had weed farms in the attic. Most of them did not make it to the end of that winter.
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Post by: TerryM on December 26, 2019, 11:25:21 AM
Aporia
Your home is stunningly beautiful.


Clay tile roofs are few and far between here in Canada, but in Southern California almost all of the old buildings utilized "Mission style" or "Nun & Monk" tiles molded against the thigh of the potter. Mass produced interlocking S shaped tiles have largely replaced these, but century + old examples still keep the rain out.


When a Basque whaling port was discovered in Labrador, it was the remains of the aged red clay roofing tiles that gave the location away at Red Bay. This site has been dated to as early as 1530.


https://www.newfoundlandlabrador.com/top-destinations/red-bay (https://www.newfoundlandlabrador.com/top-destinations/red-bay)


A layer of fireproofed, rodent and insect repellent cellulose insolation can be blown in over a weekend & might save a bit of fuel without disturbing any of the living area. Rough on the mice, but could raise the temperature without requiring additional windfall fuel.


The buildings appear ready to serve for generations. Congratulations! and thanks for the photos.
Terry
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Post by: Aporia_filia on December 26, 2019, 09:03:04 PM
Thanks to you Terry, also for the link.
The big building is 5x5m inside and it was a barn, the small one is actually where people stayed seasonally. In the sixties the barn was transformed into the house and the small one used as warehouse and bathroom. After the reforms it was only used during weekends. I came in three years ago. Installed the PVs and brought a washing machine and a fridge.

About the insulation, thanks again, but I'm staying like this. I have to think any expense and the dormice are not a problem. I heard lots of terrible stories about them being a pest. The way the roof is, allows them to have their room without making any mess. Well, they are very noisy in June, July looking for a partner and you can hear them on top of your head rattling wile running at night. But they spend winter hibernating. And they were here before me.Sending a photo of one of them, hanging on one of the wooden beams. I feel very lucky for being able to share my home with such a wild animal. This is in a Natural Park and it's wildlife is a treasure that constantly amaze me.
https://www.turismoasturias.es/en/descubre/naturaleza/reservas-de-la-biosfera/parque-natural-de-redes
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Post by: johnm33 on December 30, 2019, 12:33:26 PM
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/primary/waves/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=-169.77,-33.18,512/loc=-156.123,-41.499
???
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Post by: ivica on January 20, 2020, 06:13:06 PM
Sadhguru @SadhguruJV ·3h ago
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Back in Davos after a decade for #WEF20. We are at an inflection point in the history of our planet. The time for concerted Action is now; scripting an economic and ecologic destiny that is Conscious & #Inclusive. -Sg #Davos2020 @wef

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Post by: TerryM on January 22, 2020, 09:24:29 PM
Sadhguru @SadhguruJV ·3h ago
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Back in Davos after a decade for #WEF20. We are at an inflection point in the history of our planet. The time for concerted Action is now; scripting an economic and ecologic destiny that is Conscious & #Inclusive. -Sg #Davos2020 @wef


ivica


Was a [Sarc] implied?
Terry
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Post by: ivica on January 22, 2020, 10:13:20 PM
TerryM, not in my interpretation.
https://twitter.com/SadhguruJV/status/1219253766911754241
No 2 of us are the same so some might disagree, it is ok for me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sKKubwN4vM&feature=youtu.be&t=845).

Conscious & Inclusive
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Post by: nanning on January 23, 2020, 07:03:01 AM
ivica, "scripting an ecological destiny" is a statement/purpose that, in my view, stinks of human-supremacy-over-all-other-life. That is not inclusive at all because 99.999999% of other lifeforms are not involved in that 'script'. That must and will stop.
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Post by: Tom_Mazanec on January 23, 2020, 10:34:21 AM
nanning:
What will stop it? It’s been going on for at least six thousand years. It may take an extinction bigger than the Permian to stop it.
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Post by: ivica on January 23, 2020, 10:35:07 AM
nanning, boring as repetition is but we have to refresh memory sometime:  Arctic Café 2019-09-18 UNCCD COP14 (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg229240.html#msg229240).

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Planet is here to support us, this is a platform upon which we live and this platform has to be ideal for life.
When I say life - all life, you cannot make it in such a way that this works only for human beings not others.
Every creature has to live, they are far more important for maintaining the balance in this planet than human beings,
Without human beings the planet will do very well, so all life here has a life of its own, they are not here to serve us.

These are the things that need to get across to the humanity. Thank you very much.
here (https://youtu.be/GTpSDtVZRuE?t=727)

Inclusive Consciousness (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,179.msg172292.html#msg172292)

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Post by: nanning on January 23, 2020, 11:44:25 AM
Tom, it has been going on since civilisation started 10000 years ago.
It will stop when civilisation collapses. As will antropogenic emissions, deforestation etc.

ivica, you haven't responded to my statements (supremacy, other lifeforms, 'script').
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Post by: ivica on January 23, 2020, 12:02:01 PM
ivica, you haven't responded to my statements (supremacy, other lifeforms, 'script').

I did my best in #279, but, nanning, your perception and interpretation of it differs, i see no need to continue, take care. :)
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Post by: kassy on January 23, 2020, 03:43:57 PM
Lets not destroy it all is also scripting ecological destiny.
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Post by: nanning on January 23, 2020, 05:05:44 PM
"Lets not destroy it all"
Yes indeed kassy, that's what all other lifeforms and non-civilisation human cultures are doing (i.e. not destroying all). In other words: All life on Earth, apart from civilisation, has been enveloped in that. It is called an ecosystem.

That is what is meant by INCLUSIVE if I'm correct; all life included.

And "conscious & inclusive" is what is in ivica's bottom text of that post. Since I explained upthread why that 'script' thing means NON-INCLUSIVE, I expected ivica to give a reaction to that apparent inconsistancy. I didn't get one.


edit: added conscious & inclusive
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Post by: Tom_Mazanec on January 23, 2020, 08:02:06 PM
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that's what all other lifeforms and non-civilisation human cultures are doing (i.e. not destroying all).
Because they lack/lacked the means. If they could have, they would have.
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Post by: nanning on January 24, 2020, 07:17:52 AM
^^
No agumentation Tom. Just bias and feeling in my view.

The powerful civilisation bias: Explain it away as if all humans are like those from unnatural and insane civilisation.

Empirical evidence of e.g. Aboriginal tribes and San tribes disproves your civilisation-bias statement. Now you have to conclude as well that those tribes were not smart enough? Stupid? Think it through and you'll become stuck which means that it's a wrong assumption.
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Post by: Florifulgurator on January 24, 2020, 07:28:16 AM
The Kua also have very relevant insights to offer.

E.g. did you know that the giraffes are the midwives of the Acacia tree?
https://medium.com/@helgavierich/i-have-rarely-seen-you-use-an-exclamation-mark-e254aa0dcb60
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Post by: Tom_Mazanec on January 24, 2020, 11:24:47 AM
^^
No agumentation Tom. Just bias and feeling in my view.

The powerful civilisation bias: Explain it away as if all humans are like those from unnatural and insane civilisation.

Empirical evidence of e.g. Aboriginal tribes and San tribes disproves your civilisation-bias statement. Now you have to conclude as well that those tribes were not smart enough? Stupid? Think it through and you'll become stuck which means that it's a wrong assumption.

I don’t know about the Sans, but the Aboriginal tribes exterminated a number of Australia megafauna millennia ago.

EDIT:
Looking up San I see they are called Bushmen in English. This is quite interesting...their culture is the oldest in Africa and hence in the world. They would have co-evolved with the megafauna of Africa, as the animals learn to evade a bipedal predator. This may be why Africa has been relatively safe from extinction in contrast to the other regions of the world (until now, of course).
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Post by: blumenkraft on January 24, 2020, 03:45:17 PM
Italy? China? Seriously?? Whatever happened, Kiwis??

(https://i.redd.it/jeg7s3uwonc41.png)
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Post by: gerontocrat on January 24, 2020, 04:09:00 PM
Italy? China? Seriously?? Whatever happened, Kiwis??

(https://i.redd.it/jeg7s3uwonc41.png)
The Kiwi fruit was developed by NZ from the Chinese Gooseberry.

NZ failed to copyright the name or anything else. Hence everybody else started growing and selling Kiwi fruit at a much lower price. I know this because my oldest brother nearly went bankrupt when the price he got from growing Kiwi dropped by 80%.
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Post by: vox_mundi on January 24, 2020, 08:42:39 PM
Genetically Engineered Virus Protects Mice Against Deadly Effects of Nerve Gas and Pesticides
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-01-genetically-virus-mice-deadly-effects.html

A single injection of a new gene therapy protected mice from the effects of sarin and other deadly chemical warfare agents for months, new work that could not only help defend soldiers and civilians in war zones.

... Some enzymes can seek out and break down nerve agents. Scientists experimented by inserting a gene that encodes such an enzyme into a virus not known to cause any disease. The researchers then injected the virus into mice. They found it completely protected the rodents from eight lethal doses of sarin and similar nerve agents with no sign of toxicity from this gene therapy, said study senior author Nageswararao Chilukuri, a biochemist at the at United States Army Medical Research Institute of Chemical Defense at the Aberdeen Proving Ground, in Maryland. This defense lasted for up to five months.

Venkaiah Betapudi et al. Gene therapy delivering a paraoxonase 1 variant offers long-term prophylactic protection against nerve agents in mice (https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/12/527/eaay0356), Science Translational Medicine (2020).

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Didn't Lord Blackwood use something like this to kill off Parliament in Sherlock Holmes (2009)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes_(2009_film)#Plot
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Post by: TerryM on January 24, 2020, 09:01:58 PM
^^
We certainly employed measles infected blankets in the genocide proudly remembered as "Manifest Destiny".


Suddenly Thermal Nuclear Warfare has lost its horror.
Terry
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Post by: blumenkraft on January 25, 2020, 07:11:08 PM
Auschwitz liberation: Survivors look back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1chZZCvmBb8