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Title: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: zizek on October 28, 2018, 11:54:28 PM
fuck it.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: wili on October 29, 2018, 01:11:31 AM
Yeah, damn it.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Sleepy on October 29, 2018, 03:52:15 AM
What a nice way to start a new day.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: wdmn on October 29, 2018, 03:55:27 AM
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Bolsonaro has indicated he may open Indigenous areas up to mining, even potentially introducing a paved highway through the Amazon. The environmental impact of those policies would be “the biggest threat to the Amazon since Brazil was under a dictatorship,” said Doug Boucher, Scientific Advisor for The Union of Concerned Scientists’ Tropical Forests and Climate Initiative. “It’s a threat to the climate of the entire planet.”

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Bolsonaro has also made his views on race blatantly clear: He has criticized the Brazilian government’s commitment to preserving vast swaths of the Amazon for Indigenous people, promising that he will “not to give the Indians another inch of land.” Moreover, Bolsonaro has allied himself with the right-wing ruralista bloc, which represents the interests of agribusinesses and large landholders, and has been trying to strip away environmental protections against deforestation for many years.

Bolsonaro’s proposed environmental hit list goes on. He has promised to scrap the country’s Environment Ministry altogether, putting it under the scope of the Agriculture Ministry, which is led by agribusiness.

“Instead of spreading the message that he will fight deforestation and organized crime, he says he will attack the ministry of environment, Ibama and ICMBio [Brazil’s federal environment agencies],” said Brazil’s current environment minister, Edson Duarte. “It’s the same as saying that he will withdraw the police from the streets.”

In many ways, Bolsonaro, an ex-army captain, seems to want to revert to the Amazonian policies that Brazil employed during the years of the South American nation’s dictatorship. At that time, during the ‘60s, ‘70s, and ‘80s, the country promoted rapid development of the Amazon, paving roads and converting the forests into farmland and ranchland.

Source: https://grist.org/article/how-brazils-presidential-election-could-eff-up-the-planet-for-everyone/

Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: zheega on October 29, 2018, 05:12:31 AM
RIP Amazon rainforest
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Hefaistos on October 29, 2018, 05:29:50 AM
Many Europeans are unable to make a difference, all the following are 'fascists' to them:

Jair Bolsonaro
Donald Trump
Viktor Orbán (hungary)
Rodrigo Duterte (Philippines)
Moamar Ghaddafi (Libya)
Sadam Hussein
Adolf Hitler

Are there degrees in hell?
Why do a majority of people vote for fascists to be their president in free and fair democratic elections?
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Reallybigbunny on October 29, 2018, 05:38:34 AM
Ditto zizek
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Wherestheice on October 29, 2018, 05:50:07 AM
This is sad news to anyone trying to stop the destruction of planet earth and the near term collapse of society.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: solartim27 on October 29, 2018, 06:02:44 AM
Not just ethnogenecide, but planetcide
https://mobile.twitter.com/EricHolthaus/status/1056768912350760960
https://mobile.twitter.com/AtuVava/status/1056755930132594689

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It’s also ethnocide - there are indigenous people throughout The Brazilian rainforest who are being killed, their lands/homes destroyed ... being totally wiped out.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: mostly_lurking on October 29, 2018, 08:13:16 AM
Many Europeans are unable to make a difference, all the following are 'fascists' to them:

Jair Bolsonaro
Donald Trump
Viktor Orbán (hungary)
Rodrigo Duterte (Philippines)
Moamar Ghaddafi (Libya)
Sadam Hussein
Adolf Hitler

Are there degrees in hell?
Why do a majority of people vote for fascists to be their president in free and fair democratic elections?

That's the right question! Although these people are all not equivalent (Fascists is the wrong word for them as a group) the reasons they rose to power are quite the same. Maybe the "other side" went to far? Maybe globalism has gone too far too fast in the recent history?
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Sleepy on October 29, 2018, 08:47:22 AM
Many Europeans are unable to make a difference, all the following are 'fascists' to them:

Jair Bolsonaro
Donald Trump
Viktor Orbán (hungary)
Rodrigo Duterte (Philippines)
Moamar Ghaddafi (Libya)
Sadam Hussein
Adolf Hitler

Are there degrees in hell?
Why do a majority of people vote for fascists to be their president in free and fair democratic elections?

Will Noam Chomsky suffice?
The clip attached below is from this (much longer interview) last month when he visited Lula:
https://youtu.be/ydUb6lXJ_8c?t=3049
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Pmt111500 on October 29, 2018, 09:28:40 AM
RIP Amazon rainforest
Yep.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Pmt111500 on October 30, 2018, 05:27:50 AM
And as is the habit of fascists, the rewriting of history to suit their own ego started immediately. Kind of what Trump is trying against the press.

http://mobile.twitter.com/castriotar/status/1055836519318122496
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: litesong on November 05, 2018, 03:36:14 AM
Why do a majority of people vote for fascists to be their president in free and fair democratic elections?
Does anyone have Woodie Guthrie's guitar?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_machine_kills_fascists#/media/File:Woody_Guthrie_2.jpg
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: litesong on November 05, 2018, 03:48:00 AM
RIP Amazon rainforest
You have to get it accurate..... Amazon rainforest.... rest in pieces.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: FridaF on November 06, 2018, 09:35:26 AM
It is good that they elected someone who UNDERSTANDS something, unlike violent lefitists who will destroy their countries.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Mozi on November 06, 2018, 02:24:06 PM
The only thing Bolsonaro understands is fear and hate, which is more than you understand, apparently.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Forest Dweller on November 08, 2018, 01:30:02 PM
Ok, i am no fan of Bolsonaro either but i think there are a few misconceptions people have about The Amazon, indigenous and so on.

-Encroachment, deforestation and similar problems are actually worse in other provinces such as Acre or western Brazil.(or neighboring countries)
The Living Planet report just released mentions how from 1970-2014 The Amazon lost 20%.
Rather alarmingly, it also mentions how population decline of wildlife is worst in places such as river, estuaries etc at 83% overall, and how Central and South America overall is showing a 89% loss even!

- Similarly the situation of the indigenous people is also worse in those already more affected areas, while Amazonia still offers more refuge.
Tribes such as the Akuntsu, Munduruku or others who gained fame often actually live elsewhere or emerge from tiny remaining forest patches in more developed areas, or also places like Peru or Colombia.
This offers some hope that others remain unidentified in the heart of the Amazon.
I suspect many do myself.
You can find a truly excellent database here btw: https://pib.socioambiental.org/en/Table_of_Indigenous_Peoples

So in general concerning "the lungs of the Earth" what we appear to see is an encirclement working it's way inward from the edges and damaging habitat in the process.
For logistical reasons, it may not be that different under Bolsonaro in that respect and would still take a long time to truly destroy the Amazon.
(Of course his loathing of the indigenous and the habitat remains outrageous)
Climate change may do more damage and considerably faster through factors such as droughts and failure to cope evolutionary in time.
A study over the last 30 years which i just read speaks of how this is mostly affecting smaller species of trees.
Taller and more drought resistant vegetation less affected but still in trouble nonetheless.
No link for that, it has been paywalled sorry.

We'll have to wait and see of course but Bolsonaro is neither the first or only hard ass to mention he doesn't care about it all and placing industrial activity before environment.
That has been happening historically anyway and he may do outrageous things but i doubt it is possible for his regime to ramp it up by 200% or whatever out of the blue.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: kassy on November 08, 2018, 01:46:29 PM
About the research mentioned above.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-11/uol-aff110618.php
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Sleepy on November 15, 2018, 08:51:32 AM
Bolsonaro’s deforestation of the Amazon has already begun
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/11/14/bolsonaros-deforestation-amazon-already-begun/ (http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/11/14/bolsonaros-deforestation-amazon-already-begun/)
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Deforestation in Brazil’s Amazon jumped almost 50% during the three month electoral season that brought Jair Bolsonaro to power, according to preliminary official figures.

That means the forest lost 1,674 sq km from August to October, an area more than double the size of New York City.

The main culprit was the conversion of forest to pasture. The largest increase was in the border area between Acre and Amazonas states. The deforestation increase there, compared with the same period in 2017, was 273% and 114%, respectively.

Deforestation usually increases in Brazil’s electoral years, amid promises from local politicians they will open up protected land or make environmental legislation more flexible if elected.

A slightly older article by Jonathan Cook:
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-10-30/bolsonaro-is-a-monster-engineered-by-our-media/ (https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-10-30/bolsonaro-is-a-monster-engineered-by-our-media/)
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Social media has empowered ordinary people. It has shown them that they cannot trust their leaders, that power trumps justice, that the elite’s enrichment requires their poverty. They have concluded that, if the rich can engage in slash-and-burn politics against the planet, our only refuge, they can engage in slash-and-burn politics against the global elite.

Are they choosing wisely in electing a Trump or Bolsonaro? No. But the liberal guardians of the status quo are in no position to judge them. For decades, all parts of the corporate media have helped to undermine a genuine left that could have offered real solutions, that could have taken on and beaten the right, that could have offered a moral compass to a confused, desperate and disillusioned public.

Jenkins wants to lecture the masses about their depraved choices while he and his paper steer them away from any politician who cares about their welfare, who fights for a fairer society, who prioritises mending what is broken.

The western elites will decry Bolsonaro in the forlorn and cynical hope of shoring up their credentials as guardians of the existing, supposedly moral order. But they engineered him. Bolsonaro is their monster.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Alexander555 on November 15, 2018, 10:11:41 AM
They are very right that they elected the Trumps and the Bolsonaros. Over here we have football scandal in first class. The import players from africa, and the sums of money that circle finds it's origine in all kinds of criminal activity. And all these football players know that they are a part in the chain of these criminals. So even if they know that everything around them is fraud and criminal, they will be silent. Because they are a part of that chain. So every day  that corrupt group becomes a bigger part of our country. Rotten to the core.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Neven on November 15, 2018, 10:43:51 AM
They are very right that they elected the Trumps and the Bolsonaros. Over here we have football scandal in first class. The import players from africa, and the sums of money that circle finds it's origine in all kinds of criminal activity. And all these football players know that they are a part in the chain of these criminals. So even if they know that everything around them is fraud and criminal, they will be silent. Because they are a part of that chain. So every day  that corrupt group becomes a bigger part of our country. Rotten to the core.

Sounds like you need a Bolsonaro in Belgium, eh?  ::)

Don't push it, Alex.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: magnamentis on November 15, 2018, 05:33:45 PM
They are very right that they elected the Trumps and the Bolsonaros. Over here we have football scandal in first class. The import players from africa, and the sums of money that circle finds it's origine in all kinds of criminal activity. And all these football players know that they are a part in the chain of these criminals. So even if they know that everything around them is fraud and criminal, they will be silent. Because they are a part of that chain. So every day  that corrupt group becomes a bigger part of our country. Rotten to the core.

your findings that there is a lot of corruption and other crimes on highest levels you're not that far off but if you think that faschists and other populist potential autocrats are better and would solve only one thing without replacing the wiped out corruption with their own, that would be quite naive.

most politicians operate with pointing at true grievances only to either join or replace them with their own iteration once in charge.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: litesong on November 15, 2018, 08:55:07 PM
Bolsonaro’s deforestation of the Amazon has already begun
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/11/14/bolsonaros-deforestation-amazon-already-begun/ (http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/11/14/bolsonaros-deforestation-amazon-already-begun/)

 Amazon deforestation per year is the equivalent of a square 50miles(3.7 times the length of Manhattan Is.) on each side. Jair Bolsonaro(PoisonNearly) has already & will increase this level of Amazon forest..... disappearance. Besides the forest crush, Brazil has a long history of 10,000 humans who have.... disappeared. A prime target (among many) by new pressy-dent of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro will be Fabiano Maisonnaves to.... disappear, who has detailed the rape of the Amazon for years.
http://www.climatechangenews.com/author/fabiano-maisonnave/
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: gerontocrat on November 15, 2018, 09:37:44 PM
Bolsonaro’s deforestation of the Amazon has already begun
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/11/14/bolsonaros-deforestation-amazon-already-begun/ (http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/11/14/bolsonaros-deforestation-amazon-already-begun/)

 Amazon deforestation is the equivalent of a square 50miles(3.7 times the length of Manhattan Is.) on each side. Jair Bolsonaro(PoisonNearly) has already & will increase this level of Amazon forest..... disappearance. Besides the forest crush, Brazil has a long history of 10,000 humans who have.... disappeared. A prime target (among many) by new pressy-dent of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro will be Fabiano Maisonnaves to.... disappear, who has detailed the rape of the Amazon for years.
http://www.climatechangenews.com/author/fabiano-maisonnave/
It has just got worse - posted on Paris 2015 thread.

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1021.msg181137.html#msg181137
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: litesong on November 24, 2018, 05:15:57 AM
Amazon deforestation per year is the equivalent of a square 50miles(3.7 times the length of Manhattan Is.) on each side. Jair Bolsonaro(PoisonNearly) has already & will increase this level of Amazon forest..... disappearance. Besides the forest crush, Brazil has a long history of 10,000 humans who have.... disappeared. A prime target (among many) by new pressy-dent of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro will be Fabiano Maisonnaves to.... disappear, who has detailed the rape of the Amazon for years.
http://www.climatechangenews.com/author/fabiano-maisonnave/
More about poisonous Jair Bolsonaro(PoisonNearly):
Cuba is withdrawing ~ 3000 Cuban doctors from the poorest regions of Brazil. Under severe strictures imposed by Bolsonaro(PoisonNearly) authoritarianism, the Cuban government's humanitarian efforts are ending. Yeah, one despot rebels, when another despot acts.... despotically. How can such things be?

 
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 13, 2019, 06:17:21 PM
He is poison to the Amazon:
https://e360.yale.edu/digest/enforcement-efforts-to-slow-amazon-deforestation-plummet-under-new-brazilian-president
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Neven on June 16, 2019, 06:05:43 PM
Saw this very interesting video today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCnSJ5yDv1g

Greenwald is the best. Hope he doesn't get in trouble for this.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on August 23, 2019, 02:05:05 AM
Igniting global outrage, Brazil's Bolsonaro baselessly blames NGOs for Amazon fires
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics/brazils-bolsonaro-says-ngos-may-be-setting-fires-in-amazon-rainforest-idUSKCN1VB1BY
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Presented without evidence and disputed by environmental and climate experts, Bolsonaro’s comments enraged critics and fanned a growing social media campaign over the dangers to the Amazon, one of the world’s key bulwarks against climate change.

The right-wing populist wave is a threat to the climate
The Amazon rainforest fires reveal a lot about this political movement.
https://www.vox.com/2019/8/22/20828297/amazon-rainforest-fire-bolsonaro-brazil-populism
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Bolsonaro has been dubbed the “Trump of the Tropics,” a far-right firebrand who shares the American president’s hostility to democracy and penchant for saying extremely offensive things about women and minorities. The similarities clearly extend to climate policy — Trump famously labeled climate change a Chinese hoax, pulled out of the Paris agreement on climate change, and recently presented a “carbon regulation” plan that could actually increase emissions.

The American and Brazilian leaders are particularly aggressive on the issue, but they’re hardly alone among Western right-wingers. A February report from the German Adelphi Institute, an environmental think tank, found that 18 out of the 21 largest European far-right parties are either generally indifferent to climate action or outright oppose it.

Nigel Farage, the leader of Britain’s Brexit party, recently called climate change a “scam” during an interview with conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. Germany’s Alternatives for Deutschland (AfD) claims in its most recent electoral platform that “CO2 is not a pollutant, but an indispensable component of all life.”

Brazil says it lacks resources to fight Amazon wildfires as dispute rages over who is to blame
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-23/bolsonaro-says-brazil-lacks-resources-to-fight-amazon-fires/11440998
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The Brazilian Government lacks the resources to fight a record number of wildfires burning in the Amazon rainforest, President Jair Bolsonaro said, weeks after telling donors he did not need their money.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on August 27, 2019, 08:24:54 PM
Ex-minister: Bolsonaro ‘most detested’ leader as he neglects the Amazon
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/25/brazil-the-amazon-fires-bolsonaro
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Jair Bolsonaro’s neglect of the Amazon has made him “the most despised and detested leader” on earth, Brazil’s former environment minister has claimed, as the far-right leader again rebuked French president Emmanuel Macron for challenging his environmental record.

Rubens Ricupero warned Bolsonaro was wreaking havoc on both Brazil’s environment and its global standing, as Bolsonaro used Facebook to scold Macron’s “inappropriate and gratuitous attacks” over the Amazon fires and insult France’s first lady.
Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 04, 2019, 06:46:45 PM
'The Amazon stays, Bolsonaro goes': A first-person dispatch from Amazon fire protests in Brazil
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2019/08/29/features/amazon-stays-bolsonaro-goes
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On Monday, the G7 offered US$22 million in fire-fighting aid to Brazil. Bolsonaro called the move and further international criticism of his government an “echo of colonialism,” chastising countries with colonial histories and relationships for trying to play saviour to the Amazon, acting as if Brazil is a “no man’s land,” as Bolsonaro tweeted Monday.

While some may argue he has a point, many Brazilians heard only hypocrisy coming out of the mouth of a man bent on supporting industrial development at the risk of continuous violation of the rights of the country’s most exploited people and one of the planet’s most important ecosystems.

On the other hand, U.S. President Donald Trump, whose journey to presidency isn’t unlike Bolsonaro’s, tweeted his support for the president and the 43,000 armed forces that have recently been sent to fight the fires, while precious lives and lands remain on the line.

Title: Re: Brazil just elected a fascist
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on November 02, 2020, 07:13:17 PM
As we approach the POTUS election, what are Brazil's elections like?

The One Country Whose Elections Are Crazier Than the USA's
https://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/the-one-country-whose-elections-are-crazier-than-usas/
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The Candidates Use the Same Fake Names You Enter on a Bowling Scorecard
Candidates Wear Costumes
Everybody Can Run, and They Do

Is this how Bolsonaro got elected?