Arctic Sea Ice : Forum

Off-topic => The forum => Topic started by: Jim Williams on February 21, 2013, 02:20:22 PM

Title: Suggestions
Post by: Jim Williams on February 21, 2013, 02:20:22 PM
Didn't see a general suggestion thread, so I started one.

Neven, could you add the Forum to the Arctic Sea Ice Graphs page?  It would make jumping about so much easier.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on February 21, 2013, 03:39:01 PM
Will do that, Jim!

edit: I've done it. Will also add buttons to the blog in due time.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DungeonMaster on February 23, 2013, 11:25:39 PM
As you probably know, I have a strong interest about expeditions in the Arctic.  Neven can you think about adding a section somewhere on this ? I think that having just one topic with answers wouldn't be enough.

Thanks !
(Btw I'm only the Tech Admin, Neven decides about the forum's organisation).
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: FrankD on February 24, 2013, 01:12:05 PM
I'd like to endorse the DM's request (and to that end I've put up some stuff on the early Russian expeditions in "The Rest" section). I'd extend it a bit though, to expeditions and scientific research - a place to discuss the process of uncovering the mysteries of the Arctic. I would see it as covering the Franklins and Nansens and Berings, but also current research expeditions, new satellites and whatnot.

cheers!

F.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on February 25, 2013, 01:15:31 PM
How about I create a sub-board below the 'Arctic sea ice' board called 'Arctic expeditions and science'?
Title: Suggestion: Paging by increments of 100, rather than 15
Post by: danbashaw on March 03, 2013, 12:54:11 AM
Here is a tweak that would be helpful to users on smartphones and tablets... You might consider changing the forum config file so that threads only start paging after 99 comments, rather than every 15 comments. This will improve usability, especially for mobile device users.  You'll also find comment readership will go up as a result of users no longer accidentally overlooking the pager.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: TerryM on March 03, 2013, 02:26:14 AM
How about I create a sub-board below the 'Arctic sea ice' board called 'Arctic expeditions and science'?

While I have nothing to contribute I'd be an avid reader. Wonder if Patrick might be interested.

Terry
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Artful Dodger on March 03, 2013, 07:34:36 AM
How about I create a sub-board below the 'Arctic sea ice' board called 'Arctic expeditions and science'?

While I have nothing to contribute I'd be an avid reader. Wonder if Patrick might be interested.

Terry

Seconded. Great idea. Don't we already have one young lady from Vancouver planning an Arctic adventure this Spring?

Also, our old friend Børge Ousland had plans to sail to the North Pole, but I haven't seen any updates in awhile.

Then there's the various NW Passage voyages, whether by sailing or rowing.

Lot's of content, well worth a new Category, IMHO.  8)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on March 03, 2013, 08:10:06 AM
Sorry for being slow.

I have just created a 'child board' under the Arctic Sea Ice board. Esthetically I'm not very pleased with it. How about I give it a board of its own called, ehmmmmm, 'Arctic history, expeditions and science'?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Artful Dodger on March 03, 2013, 10:45:23 AM
Sorry for being slow.

I have just created a 'child board' under the Arctic Sea Ice board. Esthetically I'm not very pleased with it. How about I give it a board of its own called, ehmmmmm, 'Arctic history, expeditions and science'?
Hi Neven,

lol, 35 min is slow?!  ::)

I'd limit it to "Arctic history, expeditions and amateur science" since big nationally funded efforts, while important, have a much different visceral impact on common people. Think if Shackleton had a Satphone. We'd probably still be in the Falklands... ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: ivica on March 03, 2013, 11:23:39 AM
Ah, "Arctic history, expeditions...", those events when Distance/Unknown is calling...

Quote
They say the sea turns so dark that
You know it's time, you see the sign
They say the point demons guard is
An ocean grave for all the brave
Was it you that said, "How long, how long
How long to the point of know return?"
Lyrics (http://www.lyrics007.com/Kansas%20Lyrics/Point%20Of%20Know%20Return%20Lyrics.html)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRXrqvdzQFk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRXrqvdzQFk#)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on March 03, 2013, 01:46:56 PM
Okay, so I've decided to create a new board: Arctic Background. With subtitle: History, exploration, expeditions, science. I've moved Frank's (excellent BTW) post to it. Better, right?
Title: Re: Suggestion: Paging by increments of 100, rather than 15
Post by: DungeonMaster on March 03, 2013, 11:36:10 PM
Here is a tweak that would be helpful to users on smartphones and tablets... You might consider changing the forum config file so that threads only start paging after 99 comments, rather than every 15 comments. This will improve usability, especially for mobile device users.  You'll also find comment readership will go up as a result of users no longer accidentally overlooking the pager.
Good idea. I've upgraded to 50 to see how it goes.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: TerryM on March 05, 2013, 11:37:23 PM
Not sure if this is a suggestion or a question. After posting I'm left with a new marker on the thread. Is there a way to eliminate this without going back and reopening the thread?

Terry
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Artful Dodger on March 06, 2013, 07:37:24 AM
Good thought, Terry. I noticed that one too.

Also, is there a way to change the default behavior when creating a Reply. It would be nice if the 'Return to this topic.' checkbox was automatically selected under the collapsed dialogue "Attachments and other options".

Thanks for all you do, Fred! Merci!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: ivica on March 06, 2013, 08:15:03 AM
Terry,
"New" marker behavior seems to me as a WAD ("works as designed").
I doubt that Fred can do much there.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: BornFromTheVoid on March 06, 2013, 05:32:07 PM
Just a thought.

How about having a section for gathering peer reviewed studies that are available for free online? We could categorise them, for example (Arctic Paleoclimate; Arctic Projections: Arctic Links to Weather and Circulations; etc.). Could have similar for Greenland, Antarctica and more general climate change stuff too?

It would be a handy source when arguing with sceptics or posting in blogs, and would help ensure that your arguments and lines of reasoning, where possible, are backed up with the relevant peer reviewed literature.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on March 06, 2013, 05:48:24 PM
BFTV, two days ago I opened a new board called Arctic Background (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/board,23.0.html), with subtitle "History, exploration, expeditions, science". So that's where discussion of science papers should be held. In an ideal world.  :)

I tried to regularly update the Papers section (http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/papers.html) of the Arctic Sea Ice Blog, but it was just too much work (and I don't really enjoy reading scientific papers).
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: BornFromTheVoid on March 06, 2013, 06:26:51 PM
BFTV, two days ago I opened a new board called Arctic Background (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/board,23.0.html), with subtitle "History, exploration, expeditions, science". So that's where discussion of science papers should be held. In an ideal world.  :)

I tried to regularly update the Papers section (http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/papers.html) of the Arctic Sea Ice Blog, but it was just too much work (and I don't really enjoy reading scientific papers).

Hi Neven. I wasn't thinking so much of an area to discuss the studies, but as an area with sub categories. Perhaps they could contain the abstract, title and on occasion, a brief description of the paper's about?
Similar to what's on the blog, but perhaps more structured, standardised and easier to search through? I'll certainly contribute to it when I can. I can see this forum becoming very popular so I think having the papers here would work better.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on March 06, 2013, 07:03:11 PM
It would definitely work better. Let's see how things develop, but thanks for contemplating an investment of some of your time in the forum.  :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: OldLeatherneck on March 06, 2013, 08:32:10 PM
Neven,

Where is the appropriate place to tell stories such as personal anecdotes that have some relevance to any of the many topics here on this forum??

As an example, in the mid-70s, I spent nearly 8 months working in Thule, Greenland.  I seen first-hand the basin of a fjord the morning after a major calving event.  I've also ridden on the dog sledges with the native Inuits (formerly known as Eskimos).  It is my personal experiences there that keep me closely watching the melting of the GIS.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: TerryM on March 06, 2013, 11:50:10 PM
Neven,

Where is the appropriate place to tell stories such as personal anecdotes that have some relevance to any of the many topics here on this forum??

As an example, in the mid-70s, I spent nearly 8 months working in Thule, Greenland.  I seen first-hand the basin of a fjord the morning after a major calving event.  I've also ridden on the dog sledges with the native Inuits (formerly known as Eskimos).  It is my personal experiences there that keep me closely watching the melting of the GIS.

Sounds like a life changing experience. Perhaps a thread under the rest for reminiscing would work.

I might have some small contributions and know I'd find the experiences of others to be of interest.

Terry
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: OldLeatherneck on March 07, 2013, 12:41:49 AM

Sounds like a life changing experience. Perhaps a thread under the rest for reminiscing would work.

I might have some small contributions and know I'd find the experiences of others to be of interest.

Terry

Terry,

I like your naming of a new sub-category 'Reminiscing' or 'Reminiscences' under the the Off Topic category.  I do recommend that it be a new sub-category, rather than a new thread under 'The Rest'

The decision is Neven's!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: OldLeatherneck on March 07, 2013, 09:09:15 PM
Forum General Statistics

It would appear that in the General Statistic block, the Average Per Day statistics for registration, posts, topics, on-line & page views is base on a much earlier start date than when the forum went public.

If it's an easy 'fix' I would recommend changing the start date for these statistics to be the date the forum went public.  I believe this would be more meaningful.

Just a thought.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Artful Dodger on March 12, 2013, 07:36:18 AM
Hi Fred, hi Neven

I have subscribed to the ASI Forum's RSS feed for Member Comments. I notice it only provides the last 5 comments.

Is it possible to increase the number of comments displayed in the RSS feed? I'd like to see at least 30, so if I miss a day I can see what's up in a single glance.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on March 12, 2013, 07:53:59 PM
Lodger, I increased 'Maximum message length' from 255 to 1500. Please, let me know if that changed anything or even did the trick altogether.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DungeonMaster on March 12, 2013, 08:35:03 PM
Wow, I didn't check this section those last days... I'll try to fix as many point as I can, as soon as I can...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on March 12, 2013, 09:12:02 PM
Neven,

Where is the appropriate place to tell stories such as personal anecdotes that have some relevance to any of the many topics here on this forum??

As an example, in the mid-70s, I spent nearly 8 months working in Thule, Greenland.  I seen first-hand the basin of a fjord the morning after a major calving event.  I've also ridden on the dog sledges with the native Inuits (formerly known as Eskimos).  It is my personal experiences there that keep me closely watching the melting of the GIS.

Sorry, OLN, I had seen your comment, but it slipped out again.

How about using the 'Arctic Background' board that has 'History, exploration, expeditions, science' as its subtitle? I think personal stories would fit in well there and would have a prominent spot as not many threads have been opened in that board so far.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DungeonMaster on March 12, 2013, 09:16:57 PM
Lodger, I increased 'Maximum message length' from 255 to 1500. Please, let me know if that changed anything or even did the trick altogether.

Nay, that don't do it. I'll post some ways to do it from my pc.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: OldLeatherneck on March 12, 2013, 09:21:31 PM

Sorry, OLN, I had seen your comment, but it slipped out again.

How about using the 'Arctic Background' board that has 'History, exploration, expeditions, science' as its subtitle? I think personal stories would fit in well there and would have a prominent spot as not many threads have been opened in that board so far.

Thanks Neven!

And again, congratulation on the rapid successes of this forum.  Until the ice has finally gone, the forum will provide the best information and analysis on all things 'cryoshperic.'
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on March 12, 2013, 09:27:32 PM
And again, congratulation on the rapid successes of this forum.  Until the ice has finally gone, the forum will provide the best information and analysis on all things 'cryoshperic.'

Yes, it's a very good start and already exactly what I'd hoped it would be. Makes it much easier for me and also more fun, because here I'm not the blog owner, but just one of the commenters. It also takes away the pressure of having to write regular blog posts, because otherwise comment sections explode with off-topic. As I'm building a house this summer I might not be able to write a lot on the ASIB. I might be doing videos for the ASI Updates to save time.

Nay, that don't do it. I'll post some ways to do it from my pc.

Thanks, DM!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DungeonMaster on March 12, 2013, 09:28:48 PM
Also, is there a way to change the default behavior when creating a Reply. It would be nice if the 'Return to this topic.' checkbox was automatically selected under the collapsed dialogue "Attachments and other options".
This one was easy : edit your Profile, section "look and layout", you'll find a magic checkbox there, "return to topics after posting"... and I think you may like other options, too !
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DungeonMaster on March 12, 2013, 09:31:23 PM
Forum General Statistics
If it's an easy 'fix' I would recommend changing the start date for these statistics to be the date the forum went public.  I believe this would be more meaningful.

Just a thought.
Ok, found a way to apply this nice idea, applying tonight.

EDIT: done, removed old dates in the log table, and recomputed the stats. Nothing seems to have changed, the ratio Boys/Girls is still 27:1 - ugly !!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DungeonMaster on March 12, 2013, 10:00:32 PM
Not sure if this is a suggestion or a question. After posting I'm left with a new marker on the thread. Is there a way to eliminate this without going back and reopening the thread?
Terry, I tried to reproduce this behaviour in the "test" post, but didn't succeded - so I don't have this 'new' marker.
- do you still have it if you go back to the post after answering?
- can you (or Lodger) please provide more details?

Thanks!
Title: Re: RSS Feed
Post by: DungeonMaster on March 12, 2013, 10:38:00 PM
Is it possible to increase the number of comments displayed in the RSS feed? I'd like to see at least 30, so if I miss a day I can see what's up in a single glance.
OK, here are some tricks to achieve this :
- first click on the "RSS" link below
- then add salt and pepper to the url in the address bar to your taste !
   - add ";limit=30" to get 30 messages :  like this (http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=.xml;type=rss;limit=30)
   - add ";sa=news" to get only the new topics,  like that (http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=.xml;type=rss;limit=30;sa=news)

More examples are available on this long topic (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=25009.0)

Then you can bookmark this address in your beloved rss reader, or perhaps just edit the current address and add those little options.

Enjoy !
Title: Re: Suggestion: Paging by increments of 100, rather than 15
Post by: DungeonMaster on March 12, 2013, 11:11:41 PM
Here is a tweak that would be helpful to users on smartphones and tablets... You might consider changing the forum config file so that threads only start paging after 99 comments, rather than every 15 comments. This will improve usability, especially for mobile device users.  You'll also find comment readership will go up as a result of users no longer accidentally overlooking the pager.
Good idea. I've upgraded to 50 to see how it goes.
I might revert to the original setting, to reduce the load on the server (as this requires more queries). BUT each user can change this settings in his profile, so basically you're free to set whichever value you like.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Artful Dodger on March 14, 2013, 01:30:33 AM
Also, is there a way to change the default behavior when creating a Reply. It would be nice if the 'Return to this topic.' checkbox was automatically selected under the collapsed dialogue "Attachments and other options".
This one was easy : edit your Profile, section "look and layout", you'll find a magic checkbox there, "return to topics after posting"... and I think you may like other options, too !
Thanks, Fred. Done!  ::)
Title: Re: RSS Feed
Post by: Artful Dodger on March 14, 2013, 01:35:31 AM
Is it possible to increase the number of comments displayed in the RSS feed? I'd like to see at least 30, so if I miss a day I can see what's up in a single glance.
OK, here are some tricks to achieve this :
- first click on the "RSS" link below
   - add ";limit=30" to get 30 messages :  like this (http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=.xml;type=rss;limit=30)

Enjoy !
Oi, that works a treat! Merci, DM!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Jim Williams on March 14, 2013, 05:49:49 PM
For reasons of my own, I've tended to avoid topics of the "we ought" nature.  In the process I've discovered that I've been missing many very interesting posts in the AGW in General:Consequences topic area -- which also contains many prescriptive posts.  I'm not really sure how to achieve it, but I'd like to see a topic area in the Cryosphere section which siphons off the discussion of actual consequences and leaves behind the discussion of what to do about it.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on March 14, 2013, 11:00:35 PM
Hi Jim,

You will always get some overlapping on a forum (even worse on a blog), but I think overall this forum now has a pretty good balance of not being too small and not too big either. That's to say, there's a place for every subject, without creating too many boards under categories.

But I remain open to suggestions, of course.  :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Jim Williams on March 14, 2013, 11:59:18 PM
I'm very happy with how the Forum is developing Neven.  Just hoping wiggle out slightly greater separation somehow, as you are in fact correct.  The division between descriptive and prescriptive material here has been much better than you usually see.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Jim Williams on April 18, 2013, 02:19:39 PM
Quite a few threads which are about Forcing seem to have ended up in the Permafrost Section.  It might be a good idea to split off a section for CO2, Methane, Insolation and the like as they effect several areas, not just the permafrost.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on April 18, 2013, 08:40:13 PM
Hi Jim, I'll have a look to see if some threads need to be moved.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on April 18, 2013, 09:26:56 PM
Hmmm, maybe I should put another subcategory under AGW in general for threads on solar irradiance, Mauna Loa, etc...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Jim Williams on April 18, 2013, 11:34:25 PM
Hmmm, maybe I should put another subcategory under AGW in general for threads on solar irradiance, Mauna Loa, etc...

Something like that.  The discussions on various forcings are interesting and pertinent -- but they're not much about the Permafrost.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on April 18, 2013, 11:46:33 PM
Indeed. I did add 'carbon cycle' under the Permafrost header, but meant the carbon cycle related to higher temps in the cryosphere.

I'll have a look at this mañana.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Bruce Steele on April 21, 2013, 01:47:50 AM
Neven, Sorry if I took Carbon Cycle in an unintended direction. We each have our focus and the subject is all rather interconnected in the long term. I would gladly comply with your guidance.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on April 21, 2013, 11:00:55 AM
No problem, Bruce. It was the best place you could put it in. I've added the 'Science' board under the 'AGW in general' category, changed the subtitle of 'Permafrost' and moved a couple of threads.

Thanks for the heads-up, Jim.

One day the forum will be perfectly organized.  ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Jim Williams on April 21, 2013, 12:31:54 PM
One day the forum will be perfectly organized.  ;D

I'll have a look at this mañana.

kkkk


Thanks Neven!  I can see the Permafrost again.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Laurent on April 21, 2013, 03:14:19 PM
Would it be possible for the creator of a post to add some thumbs up (or down) with a counter in their post so that the people reading would agree easily instead of having to thank for any persons coming.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Pmt111500 on April 22, 2013, 06:20:20 AM
funny guests you have
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on April 22, 2013, 09:47:00 AM
That's indeed funny, but what does it mean?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DungeonMaster on April 22, 2013, 10:54:42 PM
funny guests you have
At 6:09 AM, I'd guess it was a Troll, reading the forum all night long, forgetting time, who was suddenly hit by sunrise - so it was turned into a Guest Whose Activities Can't (and Shouldn't) Be Guessed.

My 2c
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Artful Dodger on April 23, 2013, 06:44:20 PM
That's indeed funny, but what does it mean?

SMF Forum - nothing - or nothing you can see... (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=285225.0)

Quote
It can happen when an action does not have a 'who' variable set for it, so since SMF doesn't know what section of the board they're in, that is displayed.  This normally occurs with mods that haven't setup the 'who' variable for their action.

Not a big deal.  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: GeoffBeacon on May 29, 2016, 04:05:19 PM
I sometimes use the "Recent Posts" facility on the home page but its5 entries only cover an hour or so. Coult it be put below "Forum Stats" and"Users Online" and made much longer?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Sleepy on May 29, 2016, 04:47:11 PM
I'll second that Geoff, beeing rather off for a while.
And just make it a list, like on the front page. No need for the entire posts to be shown. Just the thread and commented by whom. At least 24 hours back.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Dundee on May 29, 2016, 05:30:28 PM
If you click on "View the most recent posts on the forum" at the bottom of the stats section, you will see past posts, 10 per page, as far back as you'd like (well, so long as you only want to go back 100 posts).
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: theoldinsane on May 29, 2016, 05:46:47 PM
Why don´t use "Show unread posts since last visit"?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 29, 2016, 07:43:50 PM
I sometimes use the "Recent Posts" facility on the home page but its5 entries only cover an hour or so. Coult it be put below "Forum Stats" and"Users Online" and made much longer?
There are a few buttons one can push, but I'll see what I can do, Geoff, as not having to push any buttons, is more efficient. I don't know if it's possible, though, so no promises.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on May 29, 2016, 08:24:43 PM
I once pushed "mark all threads as read" button accidentally, to my great regret. Is it possible to add an "are you sure" question for this irreversible action?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 29, 2016, 10:56:17 PM
I sometimes use the "Recent Posts" facility on the home page but its5 entries only cover an hour or so. Coult it be put below "Forum Stats" and"Users Online" and made much longer?

I've increased the number of recent posts to 25, but don't know how to put them below 'Stats' and 'Users online' (would probably have to change something in the html, but don't know how to do that and don't have the time for fiddling).

But is 25 instead of 5 recent posts better?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Anne on May 29, 2016, 11:24:14 PM
Crossposting from Forum Decorum because (a) I'd forgotten this thread  :-[
and (b) it might get noticed  :)
I don't know if it's possible, or whether if it's possible it would be a good idea, but I for one would really like a 'Like' button. I often want to express appreciation of a post but don't because I don't want to clog up the threads. Other people are less inhibited. I reckon it would reduce the number of contentless posts.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: CraigsIsland on May 29, 2016, 11:26:23 PM
I sometimes use the "Recent Posts" facility on the home page but its5 entries only cover an hour or so. Coult it be put below "Forum Stats" and"Users Online" and made much longer?

I've increased the number of recent posts to 25, but don't know how to put them below 'Stats' and 'Users online' (would probably have to change something in the html, but don't know how to do that and don't have the time for fiddling).

But is 25 instead of 5 recent posts better?

As a lurker, 25 is definitely better than 5. I also have favorite threads I like to view quickly.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: A-Team on May 30, 2016, 04:28:58 AM
Quote
But is 25 instead of 5 recent posts better?
For me, yes. Saves having to poke through sub-directories. Say for Greenland, with some of them going on an on about Zachariae, with 25 I can see if Jakobshavn posts have gotten buried.

I wonder though if there is some way to have a cut-off 1-2 per topic, for example for '2016 melting season' instead of the 8 up there now. Normally i would just go to the most recent post and work my way up through ones I had missed.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Sleepy on May 30, 2016, 06:18:43 AM
But is 25 instead of 5 recent posts better?
I like what I see today and it's enough for me, thanks.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 30, 2016, 09:51:27 AM
Crossposting from Forum Decorum because (a) I'd forgotten this thread  :-[
and (b) it might get noticed  :)
I don't know if it's possible, or whether if it's possible it would be a good idea, but I for one would really like a 'Like' button. I often want to express appreciation of a post but don't because I don't want to clog up the threads. Other people are less inhibited. I reckon it would reduce the number of contentless posts.
And crossposting from the same thread, Tor Bejnar's response:

Quote
Last year, and probably before, some have asked for a "like" button.  I recall Neven sharing that the system we use here (don't know the techno-jargon) doesn't have the capability.
I have forgotten the details, so I looked into it again. It seems there is a mod (http://smfhelp.org/index.php?topic=63.0) to do something like this, but I don't think I could do it and would have to ask busy DungeonMaster to do it.

But as someone wrote in another discussion (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?P=e486b6c90692a1ccd8c2acc6f8d9c589&topic=475749.0) on the like mod:

Quote
What it's really difficult for me is to understand what is the difference between a "like" and a reply.
If I like a post I quote it and I state I like it, if I like or I'm interested in a topic I answer there. What does the "like" add to a conversation (that is the main point of a forum)? In my opinion...nothing...
So, is this really necessary?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: GeoffBeacon on May 30, 2016, 09:59:59 AM
Neven

Thanks. 25 is much better than 5
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: P-maker on May 30, 2016, 10:13:52 AM
Neven:

Quote
So, is this really necessary?

No, not really. If people have time to push Like-buttons, they might as well go somewhere else, spend useful time there, and bring back additional new information to this blog/forum, which could enligthen us all.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Andreas T on May 30, 2016, 12:02:00 PM
wow, does it take that long to push a like button? Maybe I am just too slow but when I look for information and put it on the forum it often takes me a long time. Maybe that is why I get annoyed with some chatroom type comment which took seconds to type and provides information only about some hunch or emotional response of the writer. At least if that person just pressed a like button it would not take up more of my time to scroll past it to find and read some previous informative comment by someone else.

Anne put it very well:
I don't know if it's possible, or whether if it's possible it would be a good idea, but I for one would really like a 'Like' button. I often want to express appreciation of a post but don't because I don't want to clog up the threads. Other people are less inhibited. I reckon it would reduce the number of contentless posts.
I too have felt this way and avoided expressing thanks and approval when a click on a button would have been a good way to show appreciation without being obtrusive.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 30, 2016, 01:15:04 PM
Good arguments, Anne and Andreas. I'll ask DM what he thinks.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on May 30, 2016, 02:01:05 PM
So, is this really necessary?

necessary would be a bit of a strong term, perhaps "useful tool" would be more appropriate, but it's providing the opportunity to express agreement and/or thanks without clogging the thread with quote+text. if a post earns 10 thanks/likes the message is clear and the author of that post knows that his contribution was welcome/well taken.

there are many enough forums with a thanks button, it also can and does add to measure the quality of content that a user is generally providing, visible in the ratio between posts and thanks/likes. this again can help moderate a lot.

one perfect example of this would be "XDA-Developers.com forum but there are many more, and in this context it has nothing to do with "friend" status like in facebook. it's a moderation tool after all, see attached screenshot and the link to see how it works. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65135292 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65135292)

the example only should illustrate the way how it works and can look, not related to this forum in any way !

Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: seaicesailor on May 30, 2016, 10:07:11 PM
If the alternative to the like button is to quote and show appreciation, then it would be great to have a like button.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Anne on May 31, 2016, 09:04:53 AM
So, is this really necessary?
Not really necessary, just one I've seen work well elsewhere. I'm aware that posts that say nothing but "Good post!" or "Great charts!" can be annoying, particularly if people are reading on a cellphone. So a Like button may save a few centimetres on a thread.
It would be a pity if it turned things into a beauty contest, though.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 31, 2016, 10:27:00 AM
I shot off a mail to DungeonMaster, so we'll see what he says.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: P-maker on May 31, 2016, 11:28:44 AM
Could I - in this case - suggest a "Trust"-button instead.

In many cases, I really dislike the content of the posts, but somehow trust the evidence presented.

Take the day when someone writes: "Fanta-Sea is bound to become ice-free over the next few days. Here is the evidence..."

I would not like to see any "Likes" in this case.

I also often run into this dilemma on LinkedIn, when the message is awful, but still very important to flag to others.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DungeonMaster on May 31, 2016, 03:49:24 PM
About the Like button: of course I'm OK with it, as long as it is related to posts, not to posters.


Edit: can't install it right now, I have to change some permissions on some files first. Should come soon!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: CraigsIsland on May 31, 2016, 06:43:23 PM
About the Like button: of course I'm OK with it, as long as it is related to posts, not to posters.


Edit: can't install it right now, I have to change some permissions on some files first. Should come soon!

I like the "Plus" system over at WUNDERGROUND blogs. Easy and clear that it's meant for "good" posts.

Not only should that happen, but sometimes wish there was a way to do a bounty system for complex projects or other "work"/"projects" that posters do and wish to transfer real-world currency to them. Almost like Reddit Gold.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Andreas T on June 02, 2016, 12:53:50 AM
Just a thought: if the button is called "appreciated" it kind of combines "thank you" and "like it"
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on June 02, 2016, 07:22:25 AM
How about limiting length of signature based on your ASIF status? So that a newbie cannot have a 10-line long signature and then fill up whole threads unthinkingly, before forum decorum is assimilated.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Anne on June 02, 2016, 08:25:07 AM
How about limiting length of signature based on your ASIF status? So that a newbie cannot have a 10-line long signature and then fill up whole threads unthinkingly (my bold), before forum decorum is assimilated.
But some people seem incapable of assimilating forum decorum, and immune to hints and public rebukes. Is perhaps the very point of contentless posts by certain newbie posters purely to gain a higher status? (I'm beginning to think I'd appreciate an Ignore button... ;) )
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: sidd on June 02, 2016, 08:40:46 AM
check under "killfiles"

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,444.msg49157.html#msg49157
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Anne on June 02, 2016, 08:52:47 AM
check under "killfiles"

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,444.msg49157.html#msg49157
OK, thanks. I'll probably refrain from using it for now but it's helpful to know it's there. (See, this is where a Like/Appreciate button would work.)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on June 02, 2016, 01:29:08 PM
How about limiting length of signature based on your ASIF status? So that a newbie cannot have a 10-line long signature and then fill up whole threads unthinkingly (my bold), before forum decorum is assimilated.
But some people seem incapable of assimilating forum decorum, and immune to hints and public rebukes. Is perhaps the very point of contentless posts by certain newbie posters purely to gain a higher status? (I'm beginning to think I'd appreciate an Ignore button... ;) )

and for this hinting at A.I.G. LOL i'd like to have that thanks or whatever the name will be button. have the same thought every day and just a few minutes ago, also that mulitiple posting in a row instead of adding additonal stuff to the existing last post is a "scroller" good day
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Andreas T on June 06, 2016, 08:49:16 AM
check under "killfiles"

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,444.msg49157.html#msg49157
I have been using this as discribed and it works very well, posts still show up as with name and time but just the text: You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
by clicking on the second part I can still choose to read the post or wait to see if someone responds (more likely if it contains a question or comment of interest)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on June 06, 2016, 11:07:16 AM
check under "killfiles"

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,444.msg49157.html#msg49157
I have been using this as discribed and it works very well, posts still show up as with name and time but just the text: You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
by clicking on the second part I can still choose to read the post or wait to see if someone responds (more likely if it contains a question or comment of interest)

yep, a perfect solution IMO :-) thanks god in this great forum it has rarely to be used :-) my longest ignore list in a computer forum consists of  close to 100 names ( out of 7 million users ) haha.... here it's only "1" and certainly limited in time i think.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Anne on June 06, 2016, 12:35:15 PM
Mentioning this to draw to people's attention to some really useful functions already here for writing your posts. In particular, some people overlook the availability of superscript and subscript buttons, which appear just after the motion button above the Compose box: helpful if you want to write 0Co, km2, or CO2.  :)

Not sure if they show up on mobile, though?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on June 06, 2016, 05:21:27 PM
Km2  300  H2O

Yay. Thank You Anne. Never noticed that.
Title: Re: Suggestionsk
Post by: Anne on June 09, 2016, 01:50:27 AM
You're welcome, Oren!

Also want to remind people about the message facility. Depending on what options you've ticked you may get an email but in any case keep an eye out for the signal by My Messages along the top left toolbar. It's really useful but easy to miss.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Andreas T on June 10, 2016, 09:23:54 PM
I should really ask this on the stupid questions thread, I guess, but anyway: is there a quick way to read the previous post when the previous post is on another page, e.g. go from comment#50 back to #49?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Sleepy on July 09, 2016, 07:14:54 AM
Would it be possible to restrict posting in some of the number reporting threads, like the home brew, IJIS and such? To minimize the workload, maybe only allow posting to the creator and then create separate discussion threads for them.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: budmantis on September 05, 2016, 10:32:17 AM
Being a former long-time lurker, I noticed there are a lot of users that have either posted a couple times or not posted at all. Would it make sense to establish a thread inviting lurkers to make comments in a non-judgemental environment? Encouraging followers of the forum to take an active part in the discussion could be a net plus for all of us.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: budmantis on January 22, 2017, 07:34:11 AM
Although I'm not offended by the use of profanity in posts, I tend to avoid it when posting. I think using foul language to make a point tends to cheapen the message. What separates this blog from most others, is the relative civility and collegiality. I think the use of profanity reduces those positive attributes of the Forum. Am I the only one that feels that way?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Pmt111500 on January 22, 2017, 09:17:52 AM
There's an ignore list if someone irritates you. You maybe on some.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: DrTskoul on January 22, 2017, 03:26:32 PM
Although I'm not offended by the use of profanity in posts, I tend to avoid it when posting. I think using foul language to make a point tends to cheapen the message. What separates this blog from most others, is the relative civility and collegiality. I think the use of profanity reduces those positive attributes of the Forum. Am I the only one that feels that way?

No. I am in agreement if it is used as hominem.  Describing the situation that we are in though.... Sometimes I can't help it...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: budmantis on January 22, 2017, 03:40:38 PM
There's an ignore list if someone irritates you. You maybe on some.

If you have some constructive criticism to offer, I'm listening. Just send me a message, but you will also receive some back. Otherwise, feel free to put me on your ignore list.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on January 22, 2017, 05:10:04 PM
Although I'm not offended by the use of profanity in posts, I tend to avoid it when posting. I think using foul language to make a point tends to cheapen the message. What separates this blog from most others, is the relative civility and collegiality. I think the use of profanity reduces those positive attributes of the Forum. Am I the only one that feels that way?

+1
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: longwalks1 on January 22, 2017, 05:24:10 PM
And I am blissfully unaware.  I only ignore 4 people.  When used with discretion, ignore is a useful tool. 
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tigertown on January 23, 2017, 07:36:17 AM
After observing Hudson Bay earlier today, I really wanted to comment that it looked like it had been b***h slapped, but after reading this discussion, I worded my post differently.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: johnm33 on January 26, 2017, 11:10:50 PM
I don't want to censor or critisise but with the main information threads perhaps we should try parrallel comment threads, l do want to know what others are thinking but it's easy to carry links across, and with a little discipline both 'camps' could be served.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on January 26, 2017, 11:36:16 PM
I don't want to censor or critisise but with the main information threads perhaps we should try parrallel comment threads, l do want to know what others are thinking but it's easy to carry links across, and with a little discipline both 'camps' could be served.

whoever is posting thinks that he has something essential or worthy to say, hence who decides what's essential and what not and then the discussions about that and the poor admins who have to take side and make their points. i'm active in over 200 forums, mostly technology and philosophy and i can tell you from experience that this will never really work, no matter how good an idea that is. in short, i agree but have not seen it working anywhere, it ends up in cluttered threads with every other post telling someone that his post belongs to the Q&A or discussions thread.

EDIT: it's not over 200, it's 187 forums to be exact :-) thanks to excel row count it was easy to check quickly
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Pmt111500 on February 05, 2017, 06:25:45 AM
Yeah, main comment threads always get diluted in online forums. No way around it. 2016/2017 freezing season thread is all too unsoecific name for detailed discussions. Heck, if I wanted to, I could report the ice situation in nearby lake on daily basis and it still would kindof be on topic. I'd say the thread keeps remarkably well on topic considering many on the net.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Pmt111500 on February 17, 2017, 04:11:39 AM
Remembering the hack on Skeptical Science, I'd recommend rather regular offline-backups of the forum/site. No doubt some conspiracy theorist has unfounded doubts of the site. I'm though pretty sure you already do this, if not, then start. Easier to track back the time of disturbance that way.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tigertown on February 17, 2017, 05:13:08 AM
An old suggestion that will probably continue to ignored, but here it goes anyhow. It is not necessary to quote whole long-winded posts with charts, other quotes, pictures, and diagrams, ect., in order to make a reply to the post(s).
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: budmantis on February 17, 2017, 05:19:38 AM
An old suggestion that will probably continue to ignored, but here it goes anyhow. It is not necessary to quote whole long-winded posts with charts, other quotes, pictures, and diagrams, ect., in order to make a reply to the post(s).

+1
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on February 17, 2017, 08:04:50 AM
Remembering the hack on Skeptical Science, I'd recommend rather regular offline-backups of the forum/site. No doubt some conspiracy theorist has unfounded doubts of the site. I'm though pretty sure you already do this, if not, then start. Easier to track back the time of disturbance that way.

Good idea, I haven't done this in a while. Just tried it, but something goes wrong. Hmmm...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on February 17, 2017, 03:26:33 PM
An old suggestion that will probably continue to ignored, but here it goes anyhow. It is not necessary to quote whole long-winded posts with charts, other quotes, pictures, and diagrams, ect., in order to make a reply to the post(s).

this and it could be avoided even more with another suggestion i made many times and probably has been discarded which would be a thanks button or an other means of appreciation without having to quote and/or write text that clogs a thread for the sole purpose of showing consent and/or appreciation
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tigertown on February 18, 2017, 12:36:57 AM
this and it could be avoided even more with another suggestion i made many times and probably has been discarded which would be a thanks button or an other means of appreciation without having to quote and/or write text that clogs a thread for the sole purpose of showing consent and/or appreciation
I think Neven had tried to have that done, but there was some tech issues with it or whatever. I just simply deleted part of this quote to shorten it. It can't be that difficult if I can do it.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: be cause on February 18, 2017, 12:43:52 AM
a few weeks ao I pm'd someone who had started an off topic conversation in the freezing season thread .. his response .. to open a new thread and appreciate my motives .. this saved a conversation to stop a conversation .. and might be usefully used in moderation .. :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on February 18, 2017, 12:50:27 AM
this and it could be avoided even more with another suggestion i made many times and probably has been discarded which would be a thanks button or an other means of appreciation without having to quote and/or write text that clogs a thread for the sole purpose of showing consent and/or appreciation
I think Neven had tried to have that done, but there was some tech issues with it or whatever. I just simply deleted part of this quote to shorten it. It can't be that difficult if I can do it.

yes i thinks so too, you're right i should have mentioned :-) thanks for jumping in :D
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Chuck Yokota on February 21, 2017, 04:42:22 AM
Suggestion: Rename the "California Drought Emergency Declared" thread to "California weather and climate"
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tigertown on February 21, 2017, 05:10:19 AM
Suggestion: Rename the "California Drought Emergency Declared" thread to "California weather and climate"
And How!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on February 21, 2017, 09:30:30 AM
Suggestion: Rename the "California Drought Emergency Declared" thread to "California weather and climate"

Good idea. I squeezed in the word 'extremes' in as well.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: woodstea on June 15, 2017, 05:36:12 PM
I would like to see a place on the forum for FAQs. The only think I have seen like it is the Glossary thread in the Arctic Sea Ice forum. It would be useful to have introductory info on a variety of topics, such as the various satellites and their sensors: what agency is responsible for them, when were they launched, what sensors are on board, what are the characteristics of the sensors (bands, etc.) and what are they useful for?

Anyone who used Usenet News back in the days before AOL and everyone joined the Internet remembers how it used to be in the technical groups (comp.unix.shell, for instance). Serious people were on those forums, and if you were a newbie and asked some question whose answer was readily available in the FAQ, etc., the only answer you would get would be "RTFM". Everyone was expected to have done that before taking part in discussions.

The trouble with the forum format for FAQs is that even in a thread like the Glossary one, useful information is buried down in the thread as additional posts are added, and those are discussed, etc. What I think would be better would be to have a certain person responsible for each FAQ thread, and the original post in the thread would be updated over time so everything would be in that first post.

Once we had a good set of FAQs, we could start telling people "RTFM" instead of wasting a lot of space in the main forums answering the same questions over and over again.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: sedziobs on July 27, 2017, 07:38:43 PM
I have been reading this forum for about 4 years now on a daily basis.  I haven't contributed a whole lot, but I have found the ASIF to be the best place to get real time insights into the Arctic and climate science in general.

Over the last few months, I feel that the ability to follow daily observations and measurements has been made much more cumbersome by a flood of commentary.  Commentary is of course interesting and keeps the forums active, but it gets in the way of the presentation of observations, which is the main reason I come here.  I think what has happened to the IJIS thread that Espen has dutifully updated since 2013 is especially discouraging.  I suspect many other lurkers may feel the same.

My suggestion is to have separate sticky threads for different kinds of observations, which ideally would be moderated to limit posts to the topic.  These could potentially include:

2017 Arctic satellite imagery
2017 Arctic buoy/ship observations
2017 NSIDC data
2017 JAXA data
2017 UBremen data
2017 PIOMAS/volume data
2017 short range (0-6 day) weather forecasts

While those threads can include comments on the data itself, posts making predictions, extrapolating data into the future, critiquing the usefulness of the metric, or otherwise discussing thoughts and feelings would be excluded.  I think the monthly polls and image of the day threads can be made unsticky, in order to reduce clutter.

I understand the thought process behind trying to keep the 2017 melt season thread on topic. However, my feeling is that as the forum grows in popularity, it will have to accommodate an open thread somewhere.  The generic melt season thread has become the catch-all for various thoughts and feelings, which dilute the most interesting posts (especially weather forecasts).  So my suggestion is to split out the most relevant and interesting posts, and lessen the moderation on the melting season thread.

These are just my humble thoughts.  In any case, I appreciate Neven's efforts in maintaining this wonderful little corner of the internet.



Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tigertown on July 27, 2017, 10:20:27 PM
 I think Neven does a great job running this forum and has been more than patient with us lately. I always welcome moderation if I get too extreme in my comments. I have undertaken projects for financial gain and had less patience, much less him doing this voluntarily. I think everyone here should have respect for him or at some point move on, and without a big announcement please.

I might make one suggestion, or maybe two. Maybe start having a longer probation period on new members before their comments post automatically. Second, if someone insults you personally, let Jim Pettit or someone else deal with them. You are too gracious sometimes. Only suggestions, as you are in charge, but please don't let things go so far that you get frustrated.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on July 27, 2017, 10:27:22 PM
Over the last few months, I feel that the ability to follow daily observations and measurements has been made much more cumbersome by a flood of commentary.  Commentary is of course interesting and keeps the forums active, but it gets in the way of the presentation of observations, which is the main reason I come here.  I think what has happened to the IJIS thread that Espen has dutifully updated since 2013 is especially discouraging.  I suspect many other lurkers may feel the same.

I'm sorry about that, sedziobs. The Forum has grown quite a bit (almost 1300 members now) and so it gets more difficult to keep everything in check. Thankfully Jim Pettit now helps out as a moderator. Maybe we could use one more moderator.

It was never my intention to take away my focus and energy from the ASIB and direct it towards the job of policeman on the ASIF. I wanted to be lenient to überalarmists because it's always good to have people present alternate viewpoints and go out on a limb. Unfortunately, this exploratory mindset is often accompanied by a big ego and a Galileo-complex, and going out on a limb on a forum that is already quite alarmist by nature (ie what binds people here, is their worry over Arctic sea ice loss) is flirting with überalarmism at best.

I've decided to be less lenient in the future. Not when it comes to alternate viewpoints and 'going out on a limb', but towards the inability to deal with pushback and resorting to verbal conflict, flinging generalisations and strawmen and whining about being persecuted.

I've banned two persons today (accompanied by apologies and the suggestion to go to Guy McPherson's forum), and more may follow.

Quote
My suggestion is to have separate sticky threads for different kinds of observations, which ideally would be moderated to limit posts to the topic.  These could potentially include:

2017 Arctic satellite imagery
2017 Arctic buoy/ship observations
2017 NSIDC data
2017 JAXA data
2017 UBremen data
2017 PIOMAS/volume data
2017 short range (0-6 day) weather forecasts

It's a good suggestion, but I'm afraid the same problem of people posting long off-topic rants would occur eventually. It also means someone has to open all these threads, and when someone opens them, he is more or less responsible for them. I don't have time for that kind of responsibility. The unnecessary bickering of the past few weeks has cost me many precious hours already (and I'm still working like crazy and doing all kinds of physical work in and around the house, just happy I'm not sawing my fingers off or dropping a big stone on my toes  ;) ).

No, all that info/observation/analysis has to stay in the melting season threads, and off-topic rants are off-limits there. That's easiest for me to moderate.

Quote
I think the monthly polls and image of the day threads can be made unsticky, in order to reduce clutter.

That's a good idea. I'll unsticky the polls as soon as the voting period has ended. I kind of like the Image of the day thread because of its creative and esthetic appeal, and it would be a shame if it would slowly disappear.

Quote
These are just my humble thoughts.  In any case, I appreciate Neven's efforts in maintaining this wonderful little corner of the internet.

Thanks, I'll try to keep this place as pleasant and informative as possible.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on July 27, 2017, 10:32:25 PM
I think Neven does a great job running this forum and has been more than patient with us lately. I always welcome moderation if I get too extreme in my comments. I have undertaken projects for financial gain and had less patience, much less him doing this voluntarily. I think everyone here should have respect for him or at some point move on, and without a big announcement please.

Thanks, Tigertown. I also often say to folks: Maybe this just isn't the place for you. Why don't you go find some other forum?

Quote
I might make one suggestion, or maybe two. Maybe start having a longer probation period on new members before their comments post automatically.

Usually, those first three posts show me to what broad category someone belongs. I usually don't release profiles of deniers/skeptics right away, but I'm going to do the same if I fear someone may be überalarmist. Thanks for the tip.

Quote
Second, if someone insults you personally, let Jim Pettit or someone else deal with them. You are too gracious sometimes. Only suggestions, as you are in charge, but please don't let things go so far that you get frustrated.

I don't care about insults, it's the Internet. I've also insulted people in the past. It's only natural that it comes back to me.  ;D

Viddaloo had the best insults, by the way. Nazi this, nazi that.  ;)

PS Sorry for 'lashing out' a bit at your analogy in the melting season thread yesterday. The whole thing has been getting to me lately, and I tried to steer the thread back with a long, counterproductive rant of my own.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on July 27, 2017, 10:48:32 PM
Once upon a time I had a book entitled "Put Downs" that contained famous insults. E.g. Lady Astor to Winston Churchill "Winston, you are drunk!". Winston to Lady Astor "Yes, madam. And you are ugly. But tomorrow I will be sober."
Of course, someone stole the book.

Keep on trucking.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: E. on July 27, 2017, 10:55:25 PM
I come here daily and only lurk, as I have no expertise in this matter other than what I have picked up in the forum. I am just an interested and frightened observer of what we are doing to the world. It seems to me that Greatdying2 went a little off the rails in this past week, maybe well off the rails, but otherwise has been a valuable contributor.  These are very trying times, particularly in the U.S. right now (I don't know where GD2 is from), and people are falling apart everywhere. Neven runs a terrific forum and let me be the first to support him in his volunteer efforts to police the place, but a suggestion I would make is to maybe give a person a cooling off period before the ban. I seem to remember this happening in the past with a commenter who was quite persistent and grating.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on July 27, 2017, 11:07:26 PM
That works with people who go off-topic a lot (like abottisgone), but not with people who are passionate about their ideas. They will continue to hold grudges, I fear.

But on the face of it, it might be good to ban people until the melting season is over. I don't know, I'll try and think about it before banning someone.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on July 27, 2017, 11:14:06 PM
A temporary ban as a warning before a permanent ban can be a very useful tool, as the person in question might be finally alerted to the severity of the situation and might therefore change for the better.
And big thanks to Neven. This amazing place is my number one reading material on the Internet.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: be cause on July 27, 2017, 11:48:12 PM
I second Oren .. this is a precious place with some wonderful contributors . I am grateful to everyone who brings knowledge and insight to a fast changing environment and to Neven for hosting us in the midst of life's pressures .
I have been barred twice elsewhere for challenging deniers before i found my home here . It isn't fun . Second chances may be appreciated ..
 
Bless All .. just  be cause .. :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on July 27, 2017, 11:55:23 PM
Okay, I've unbanned one of two persons I've banned today. We worked it out behind the scenes.  :)

That's a 50% reduction, folks.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: greatdying2 on July 28, 2017, 12:12:29 AM
I say ban him. Definitely unhinged.  ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tigertown on July 28, 2017, 12:31:38 AM
E.
Quote
people are falling apart everywhere
You can say that again. That subject could make up a thread on its own. We can't let our anger and frustration ever get the best of us. Once you do so, it is hard to stop. I try to think what can happen as soon as I start feeling anger or resentment, and keep my composure. I bet the Switzerland chainsaw man wishes he had stopped to think for a minute.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40723179 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40723179)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: greatdying2 on July 28, 2017, 01:16:31 AM
These are very trying times, particularly in the U.S. right now (I don't know where GD2 is from), and people are falling apart everywhere.
Indeed:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/23/new_york_times_demands_apology_from_fox_friends_for_malicious_al_baghdadi.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/23/new_york_times_demands_apology_from_fox_friends_for_malicious_al_baghdadi.html)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Pmt111500 on July 28, 2017, 10:21:43 AM
 ;) I'd suggest inserting "US", "United States" and similar phrases to the list of banned words in any posts. "Trumpistan" should still be allowed if some insist talking politics. The US is quickly becoming irrelevant on the matter of climate change, but the Trumpistan policies of destroying the arctic habitat and sinking the low lying lands are still relevant.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Sterks on August 05, 2017, 09:13:02 PM
I make a suggestion:
Please in the following weeks can we somehow convince those who did prophecies/projections/speculations that seemingly come to happen, in whatever direction, to please refrain from posting messages of the sort "I thusly informed you" "I knew better" or the likes.
Not only they look utterly ridiculous, or their ego-driven argumentations are painful to the eyes.
The major problem: I for one can't refute their wrong arguments because it becomes an off-topic discussion very soon.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on August 05, 2017, 09:45:47 PM
I (and Jim too) have made some efforts recently to put a cap on that kind of polarizing stuff. We will continue to do so, but not at every turn. It depends.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tor Bejnar on August 05, 2017, 11:27:51 PM
... prophecies/projections/speculations that seemingly come to happen ...
Fortunately, I've only stumbled onto (predicted) a 'measured truth' on these threads only once.  I may have crowed, but I'm sure I did so knowing its context.   

I'm forewarned: I promise not to guess right ever again.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Sterks on August 06, 2017, 12:25:04 AM
I (and Jim too) have made some efforts recently to put a cap on that kind of polarizing stuff. We will continue to do so, but not at every turn. It depends.
Thank you. The impossibility of responding without immediately falling off topic drove me a little bit mad, and opening a new thread felt excessive.
Well, never-mind, this forum runs nicely without unnecessary confrontation.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: J Cartmill on November 19, 2017, 08:24:52 PM
NRL Images on the ASI graphs page have moved here:

https://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/GLBhycomcice1-12/arctic.html



Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on November 19, 2017, 11:40:44 PM
NRL Images on the ASI graphs page have moved here:

https://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/GLBhycomcice1-12/arctic.html

Thanks, I'll update some time this week.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: be cause on December 05, 2017, 04:23:21 PM
I can no longer afford to visit the freezing season and similar pages owing to the high cost of loading moving images .. when I could click on images it was much better .. now 20 or 30 things may be loading simultaneously .. up to 7 k kb each .. this takes time and for me , money . Help !
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on December 05, 2017, 05:39:30 PM
I'm sorry to hear this, be cause. I also prefer smaller images to reduce bandwidth, but that means more work for those making the images. Don't they have Internet subscriptions with unlimited traffic in Northern Ireland? Or is that much more expensive? Or do you live in a region where they don't have DSL yet?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: sidd on December 17, 2017, 10:03:56 PM
when i am on a slow link, i look at the page with lynx, then download the images i want to see individually in a separate graphical browser.

sidd
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Susan Anderson on March 14, 2018, 05:45:52 PM
But some people seem incapable of assimilating forum decorum, and immune to hints and public rebukes. Is perhaps the very point of contentless posts by certain newbie posters purely to gain a higher status? (I'm beginning to think I'd appreciate an Ignore button... ;) )

YES!!!! (Though I wish I could avoid temptation by "ignoring" whole topics. When I think something is flat-out wrong, it's too tempting ...)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on March 14, 2018, 07:19:19 PM
If you go to your profile and hover over 'Modify Profile', a menu opens with 'Buddies/Ignore list...' at the bottom. Click on that and you can add names of commenters to your ignore list.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: FredBear on April 03, 2018, 03:25:20 PM
Neven,
On some occasions I would like to thank someone for putting information up or am tempted to reply to a post which seems to be inaccurate when more knowlegeable people can do it better.
The option of a like/neutral/dislike button on posts could also help avoid a red herring taking a thread off on a wild goose chase. It might be more sensitive to have "agree" & "disagree", or "+" & "-", or even a set of numbers between the two to give readers a sense of how others are considering the validity of posts?

(I should probably just resist temptation - much simpler!)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on April 03, 2018, 04:26:59 PM
Neven,
On some occasions I would like to thank someone for putting information up or am temped to reply to a post which seems to be inaccurate when more knowlegeable people can do it better.
The option of a like/neutral/dislike button on posts could also help avoid a red herring taking a thread off on a wild goose chase. It might be more sensitive to have "agree" & "disagree", or "+" & "-", or even a set of numbers between the two to give readers a sense of how others are considering the validity of posts?

(I should probably just resist temptation - much simpler!)

i shall use any opportunity to second this request as i do for quite some time, the icons should just be of a non-provoking kind, not thumbs down for example, but could be a kind of question mark to express serious doubts or anything much better of that kind.

basically that would perhaps we worth a thread to gather ideas because i think the unfriendly kind of icons would not be worthy for discussions that are often about contradictory opinions and/or points of views.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on April 03, 2018, 05:29:29 PM
I've looked at this, but could only find a paid version (I'm Dutch and the Dutch are parsimonious). There's also something built-in that I could try. I'll have another look.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: charles_oil on April 03, 2018, 05:32:24 PM

Neven et Al. - I too am often tempted to add a "like" or "Thanks" or thumbs up icon but try to resist it unless adding a useful follow-up.


Another forum that I have followed in the past with many similar features & issues is nasaspaceflight.


A topic picked at random - shows how many likes the author has had, and how may likes this post has had.  A little icon at the top right if the reader wants to Like it too - don't know if it matters whether you are logged in or not for the stats.  I dont think it feature was here when I used it more in the past.


https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=45178.0 (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=45178.0)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on April 03, 2018, 05:35:14 PM
The built-in mod is called Karma (https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/SMF2.0:Features_and_Options#Karma). I'm not sure if that's what I would want. I'd rather have likes/thumbs up for comments only, not for members.

And I think this is the SMF Likes mod (https://www.smfpacks.com/likes/) that Charles is referring to, and that can be bought. I don't mind the buying as much as having to pay every year for updates.

I'll see if there is anything else out there, but I don't think there is.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Pmt111500 on April 03, 2018, 06:30:59 PM
I'd suggest a limit/day/nickname on likes and dislikes. Don't want any troll farms abusing this system, though I suspect you already have quite good systems against sudden massive numbers of new accounts.  ;) :) :o ::) :P :-X :-\ 8) ???
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on April 18, 2018, 12:00:41 AM
And I think this is the SMF Likes mod (https://www.smfpacks.com/likes/) that Charles is referring to, and that can be bought. I don't mind the buying as much as having to pay every year for updates.

I've bought this package, but haven't yet succeeded in installing it. I'll let you know when I do.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on April 18, 2018, 10:56:25 AM
I've installed it and would appreciate feedback in this thread (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2302.0.html).
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on April 18, 2018, 10:15:16 PM
I've installed it and would appreciate feedback in this thread (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2302.0.html).

great you made it and thanks a lot to make the effort, works as expected ;) :D
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Pmt111500 on April 23, 2018, 06:45:38 AM
The forum could use some sort of automatic program diminishing the size of images sent. Details maybe lost of course but it's easy to click on images to see full resolution in another window. I don't know if there are some add-ons that would do this, I mainly ask for my own laziness, photos from cameras and also from cell phones are commonly too large to display and send properly, and most of mine do not even have so much detail they'd need to be as large.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on May 26, 2018, 06:35:34 PM
I, and others, do worry about how the unread posts on the home page often get really cluttered up with the political stuff. But Neven has made it clear that he wants these issues discussed, and he obviously has the right to encourage this. After all - as the Yanks might put it - He is the man.

For me, the problem is often practical - my eyes are not as good as they used to be - it's called age, and I do miss stuff that would have interested me sometimes.

But what to do? The political stuff has a lot of customers. So does "cryosphere", so does ".AGW in general".

A solution could be to follow the organisation of the website - which is composed of three categories, namely -

- The Cryosphere,
- AGW in General,
- Off Topic,

and show the unread posts as now at the bottom but sorted into those three sections. Perhaps this would keep the various customer groups more content?

For this to happen requires -
- that Neven agrees that it would help,
- that Dungeon Master says it is not a big job to do.

Any comments.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on May 26, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
Any comments.

A very good idea
A very good idea indeed, and hopefully could be easy to implement. (I still think a politics forum would have been a better idea, but as you say, Neven is the man and it is his choice.)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 26, 2018, 11:39:35 PM
Gerontocrat, I accidentally sent you a PM containing the text for a comment I wanted to post here (and didn't save it).

Could you please be so kind as to copypaste it for me?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on May 26, 2018, 11:46:43 PM
Gerontocrat, I accidentally sent you a PM containing the text for a comment I wanted to post here (and didn't save it).

Could you please be so kind as to copypaste it for me?
In bed and on my mobile. Will do first thing tomorrow. Promise!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 26, 2018, 11:53:18 PM
Okay, I'll wait for you to post it, and then tell you guys if my idea worked or not.  ;)











I think it did!  8)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on May 27, 2018, 02:15:14 AM
one thing with off-topic posts in the sea-ice forum is that almost nothing is really off-topic.

politics, technology, life-style, all this things together are roots for the problem(s) we are facing and it's totally difficult to not respond with best intention providing max possible input which is often not so narrowly focused on the topic.

i propose to keep the current level of free speech combined with polling the stop sign if it get's to far off but without bad feelings.

as i just said that's how it currently is (was) and i find it very well managed. if we split topics that belong together to strictly i think we shall get many disconnected threads of data collections that won't help solving the real problem which is awareness and life style as well as mediocre political and economical leadership.

i personally don't like "fachidioten" who are mostly right in what they say but won't bring mankind forward because they rarely have the big picture in mind.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on May 27, 2018, 11:05:43 AM
Gerontocrat, I accidentally sent you a PM containing the text for a comment I wanted to post here (and didn't save it).

Could you please be so kind as to copypaste it for me?

Better late than never?

This is what Neven said he would do - and did.

Quote
Re: (No subject)
« Sent to: gerontocrat on: May 26, 2018, 11:37:57 PM » ReplyQuoteDelete
Thanks for moving the conversation here, gerontocrat.

As said in the melting season topic, I will try to install this mod that will allow me to hide certain topics from the 'Recent topics' list.  It may not work because it hasn't been updated since 2014, but as a mod, it doesn't seem too complex. If it does work, I think I may have solved the problem to everyone's content.

I thought about removing the political topics from the forum entirely, but 1) I think they are useful despite the animosity, and 2) the ASIF takes up so much of my time that it's difficult to stay up-to-date with other stuff that interests me (technology, renewables and yes, politics too), and this way I get a variety of opinions on the stuff that's vital to our global society.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 27, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
Thanks for posting my comment, gerontocrat!

Indeed, it seems it has worked. I've blocked all activity from the 'the Rest' board. Sorry for not doing it earlier. I thought it couldn't been done, and it has taken me a while to start installing mods without asking DungeonMaster's permission. I'm afraid that I screw things up and have to bother him.

But this has worked so far.

My question to you guys would be: Should I also block certain topics from other boards, like, for example the 'If not Capitalism' thread from the 'Policy and solutions' board? Should I block everything except Arctic sea ice?

I don't know what's best, so I'd like to hear your thoughts.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on May 27, 2018, 07:31:30 PM

My question to you guys would be: Should I also block certain topics from other boards, like, for example the 'If not Capitalism' thread from the 'Policy and solutions' board? Should I block everything except Arctic sea ice?

I don't know what's best, so I'd like to hear your thoughts.
Instead of blocking the thread I would move "if not capitalism" to "the rest" since there is little specfic "policy and solutions" and an awful  lot of "comparative political systems 1.01" and vitriol.

But expect some kick-back ?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on May 27, 2018, 09:30:19 PM
Even better just to block the "off-topic" section, as "The Forum" section rarely updates and should be interesting to most.
"If not capitalism" has suddenly grown and become a battleground, so maybe it could be moved to the off-topic section.
I just have a stupid question - is this change already implemented? Because I can still see off-topic threads in the recent unread threads list. I mean this link:
Show unread posts since last visit. (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=unread)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 27, 2018, 10:11:27 PM
Instead of blocking the thread I would move "if not capitalism" to "the rest" since there is little specfic "policy and solutions" and an awful  lot of "comparative political systems 1.01" and vitriol.

Even though discussion of political systems does bear mostly on 'policy and solutions' I have moved the thread to 'The rest'.

I just have a stupid question - is this change already implemented? Because I can still see off-topic threads in the recent unread threads list. I mean this link:Show unread posts since last visit. (https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=unread)

What I did, only applies to the 'Recent posts' list on the front page (I called it 'Recent topics' list yesterday, but it's 'Recent posts'), as I agree that this list should mostly contain Arctic sea ice-related comments on an Arctic Sea Ice Forum, and not Russia-Mueller investigation-Trump-Corporate democrats-US Empire.

I wouldn't know how to do the same for the 'Recent unread topics' list you refer to. Again, my method is to use the 'Notify' button for topics I want to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Susan Anderson on May 27, 2018, 10:15:39 PM
This is such a good idea. Those of us who want to maudle on arguing about politics and money and different belief systems can hoick on without being overwhelmed by temptation.

It's a very good idea for us to have to go through another (not difficult) step to get there.

THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 27, 2018, 10:17:32 PM
Again, sorry for not doing this earlier. But better late than never.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on May 27, 2018, 10:21:16 PM
I wouldn't know how to do the same for the 'Recent unread topics' list you refer to. Again, my method is to use the 'Notify' button for topics I want to keep an eye on.
If you do find a way to do that for the recent unread topics list, it would be a great help, as this list is linked from the top of every page and is very easy to use.
The caveat of using the Notify button is that the user might miss new threads about interesting subjects.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Susan Anderson on May 27, 2018, 10:38:10 PM
Minor item:

Arctic Cafe is not exactly other, if and when there is time ... ?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 27, 2018, 10:58:13 PM
Minor item:

Arctic Cafe is not exactly other, if and when there is time ... ?

Ah yes, I'll see if I can solve that tomorrow. Thanks for suggesting.

If you do find a way to do that for the recent unread topics list, it would be a great help, as this list is linked from the top of every page and is very easy to use.

To me this is mostly about the image of the ASIF, ie the front page, the first thing most people see. Maybe others, unlike you, want to see unread comments from political topics on the 'Recent unread topics' list.

But I understand what you mean when you say it's convenient to have a link at the top of every page. Otherwise I'd tell you to just click on 'Unread posts' next to one of the three categories (Cryosphere, AGW in general and Off-topic).

Maybe it'd be good to have links to 'Recent unread topics' list for all three categories on top of every page, but I don't know how to do that. It would probably requires some changes in CSS stylesheets or whatever, and I don't know how to get to that.

But maybe I can find a mod or something. No promises, though!  :)

Quote
The caveat of using the Notify button is that the user might miss new threads about interesting subjects.

You can also get notified for entire boards (for instance 'Arctic sea ice' or 'Glaciers' or 'The rest'), and receive a message every time a new topic is opened in the board.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on May 28, 2018, 12:18:55 AM
Again, sorry for not doing this earlier. But better late than never.
Do not be sorry. Tis the time to sort out your garden, us stroppy  demanding people can wait a little bit.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: be cause on May 28, 2018, 01:34:07 AM
Big Hugs All Round ! :)  b.c.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: NevB on May 28, 2018, 03:17:53 AM
Good job.

Having the Recent posts full of replies to the "others" threads made it hard to refer people to this site when discussing AGW. Now I will be able to do this again without giving the impression that the site is full of politics.

This now restores the focus back to the Ice and still allows me to enjoy the "others" discussions.

Thanks Neven.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 28, 2018, 12:38:30 PM
Instead of hiding comments from the entire 'The rest' board, I have hidden individual threads, mostly the controversial ones. So, 'Arctic café' is now visible again on the 'Recent posts' list on the front page. I've also excluded the 'Population: public enemy no 1' thread, and I will now move the 'If not Capitalism' thread to the 'Policy and solutions' board and then hide it.

Let me know if there are other threads you prefer not to see pop up on the 'Recent posts' list on the front page. I'll also try to keep an eye on it.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on May 28, 2018, 05:39:53 PM
My overall feeling is that only Folders and threads in Cryosphere should show up in Recent Posts.

Move everything else out as the Cryosphere is the core purpose of ASIF and the Blog from the beginning (wasn't it?) So keep the focus on that on the Home Page.

In fact if possible I would move Recent posts table directly underneath the Cryosphere section if possible and drop the rest below.
I think I disagree with the suggestion but wholly agree with "the Cryosphere is the core purpose of ASIF".

But we live in an interconnected biosphere - what happens in the Arctic does not stay in the Arctic and vice-versa.

So for me the heart remains the cryosphere but I have learnt so much more directly from other threads and also been given pointers to look for other stuff- whether it be methane, fossil fuels, global ocean heat content, Paris Agreement el al.

As for many others, it was the heated debate on political ideologies that diverted attention from the planet on which we live that hacked me off and how it was dominating the recent posts.

I think Neven's actions are more than sufficient and more would ask too much from him and start yet more heated debate.

Give it a rest, chappesses and chaps - in the Northern Hemisphere it is summer - smell the roses.

ps: Whenever possible when throwing data at us please, pretty please, always give the link?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Paladiea on May 31, 2018, 05:36:59 PM
This might be a silly question, but is there a section on here concerning planetary thermodynamics?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on May 31, 2018, 07:00:59 PM
If it's here, it should be somewhere in the Science board under 'AGW in general'. If you can't find anything, you can open a thread yourself.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on June 25, 2018, 11:24:04 AM
For the second time, today I clucked the "Mark all messages as read" button by mistake, and it wiped out all the unread esoteric threads I never got around to reading. If possible, could you please add an "are you sure" confirmation question before this goes into effect?
The good news: it cleared up all the political threads from my list, until the next storm of posts comes up.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on June 25, 2018, 12:50:05 PM
If possible, could you please add an "are you sure" confirmation question before this goes into effect?

I've never come across such a function on the admin panel, but I'll see if I can find anything.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tor Bejnar on June 26, 2018, 06:16:00 PM
Is there a way to find out how many people have me on "ignore"?  Not 'who', but is it zero, one, ten or a hundred?  Once in a while I have the experience of "I just answered that question..." and wonder if I'm on "ignore" or if the 'new' poster just doesn't read (the old fashioned 'ignore').

I imagine it is frustrating to prolific posters who get ignored by lots of folks ...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Pmt111500 on June 26, 2018, 08:52:35 PM
Is there a way to find out how many people have me on "ignore"?  Not 'who', but is it zero, one, ten or a hundred?  Once in a while I have the experience of "I just answered that question..." and wonder if I'm on "ignore" or if the 'new' poster just doesn't read (the old fashioned 'ignore').

I imagine it is frustrating to prolific posters who get ignored by lots of folks ...

Yep, this could be interesting to see after some of my rants.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on June 26, 2018, 09:31:12 PM
Is there a way to find out how many people have me on "ignore"?  Not 'who', but is it zero, one, ten or a hundred?  Once in a while I have the experience of "I just answered that question..." and wonder if I'm on "ignore" or if the 'new' poster just doesn't read (the old fashioned 'ignore').

I imagine it is frustrating to prolific posters who get ignored by lots of folks ...

Yep, this could be interesting to see after some of my rants.

not going against this but IMO it should not matter because:

a) we believe in what we're saying, why care then

b) most peoply who later were proven correct or not wrong were hated, not only ignored
.   hence one can almost see it as a compliment or at least proof for leaving a mark (if that's
.   worth anything which IMO it is not but for some)

c) should we start to deny our convictions and experience because others don' like them?

d) if we do wrong, i.e. in tone like myself sometimes, one can accept a critical feedback
.   and won't be too much ignored.

e) i strongly believe that most who ignore me are mutually ignored by me too, that can happen
.   if there is a certain incompatibility or unwillingness of some to admit imperfection and readindess .   to learn.

again, this are just things to consider, no dogma and not meant to say just no but, more
like yes but:

;)  8)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on June 26, 2018, 10:59:03 PM
Tor, I find it hard to believe that you are ignored by even one person. More likely people tend to forget stuff they read. Distractions and attention deficit and all that.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: johnm33 on June 27, 2018, 12:05:52 AM
"Tor, I find it hard to believe that you are ignored by even one person." 100% agree
Why would you care? your never rude irrelevent or too far off topic, sod 'em. On the other hand there's infinite varieties of understanding and sometimes if people are thinking within a frame of reference and your answer is outside of it it will sail straight past them and they'll provide an answer from theirs.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: ivica on June 27, 2018, 02:05:07 AM
what's the point in ignoring?
what's the result of the West ignoring the East?
what's the result of rich ignoring poor?
what's the result of man ignoring nature?
i ignore "Ignore List feature".
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Pmt111500 on June 28, 2018, 05:00:19 AM
what's the point in ignoring?
what's the result of the West ignoring the East?
what's the result of rich ignoring poor?
what's the result of man ignoring nature?
i ignore "Ignore List feature".
It's a fools errand to ignore poisons, but being aware of them doesn't always help.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Laura Derrick on July 21, 2018, 07:29:37 PM
Neven, would you be willing to update the Arctic Mosaic link on the graphs page to point to the arctic mosaic on worldview?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on July 22, 2018, 10:55:19 AM
You're right, Laura, the Arctic Mosaic has been discontinued. I've put the link to Worldview at the top of the ASIG front page references, and it should take you directly to a view of the Arctic (let me know if it doesn't work).
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Laura Derrick on July 22, 2018, 04:57:38 PM
You're right, Laura, the Arctic Mosaic has been discontinued. I've put the link to Worldview at the top of the ASIG front page references, and it should take you directly to a view of the Arctic (let me know if it doesn't work).

Perfect!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Rod on September 02, 2018, 03:47:52 AM

Indeed, it seems it has worked. I've blocked all activity from the 'the Rest' board. Sorry for not doing it earlier. I thought it couldn't been done, and it has taken me a while to start installing mods without asking DungeonMaster's permission. I'm afraid that I screw things up and have to bother him.

But this has worked so far.

My question to you guys would be: Should I also block certain topics from other boards, like, for example the 'If not Capitalism' thread from the 'Policy and solutions' board? Should I block everything except Arctic sea ice?

I don't know what's best, so I'd like to hear your thoughts.

I don't think this has worked.  A-Team was right.  Back in May he pointed out the divergence from science and towards politics.  That has always been the Achilles heel of climate science - politics should never be brought into climate science discussions.

I understand why you did it, to keep the trolls off the science threads.  However, what has happened is that the politics of this site have gotten too extreme, and anyone with a potential career in climate science would be committing career suicide to post here.

You seem to really like the political stuff.   I don't think you should stop those discussions, but move them to a different board.  Simply hiding them from the main page does not really do anything. 

I have really enjoyed this site over the years.  I'm new to posting here, so I don't blame you if you don't listen to my opinion.  I am posting this because it seems like people are not posting their opinions on the melting season thread this year as much as they use to. There are many people that I look forward to hearing from that are not posting at all.   

Part of that is the nature of the internet, but I think that part might also be because the forum has become too controversial. 

Anyway, I post this merely as a suggestion.  I really enjoy reading this forum.  I am just one person, but there might be others like me so i thought it was worth giving you my opinion. 

In any event, thank you very much Neven!   This forum has been great, and I appreciate all you have done to bring awareness to the situation with the arctic sea ice! 



Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Sleepy on September 02, 2018, 05:34:42 AM
Is this better?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: sidd on September 02, 2018, 06:12:47 AM
Can "Policy and Solutions" group also be blocked from fromt page list of recent posts ?

sidd
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Pmt111500 on September 02, 2018, 07:02:54 AM
Is this better?

Ah, that's way better than a political Russia thread on a climate site. Usenet-groups come to mind...
If there would be a way to temporarily (automatically) lock the insult-infested flame war-threads for a period of week after 6-8 messages only from two posters,  this might help. Probably this would result to some having two nicknames, the other used to throw in coup-de-grace on a thread that has become too personal.

People can be quite stubborn and quibble 40 pages over a meaning of a phrase.

Another potentially helpful solution could be to eliminate 'new message' notifications from a user that makes over 5 messages/day.  Maybe this could help people to be more concise in their posts and not hide a provocative argument and it's opposite to a long post. This is then used as a leverage point to 'win' an argument.

Third way to restrict clutter might be to restrict the lenght of the posts themselves, say posts over 209 words would not be accepted at all. Too long/didn't publish -policy might lead to a series of posts from users that are incapable of being concise and getting fast to their point, in this case the above 6-8 messages rule would be enforced.

Anyway,  this would require quite a lot of filters to the forum system so I doubt the benefits would be enough. And some might say it's cencorship to limit the lenght of posts. No, it's not.

That being said, does someone know a discussion forum for climate science that does include a 'solutions to climate change'-area, and that won't go into politics of electric companies?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Pmt111500 on September 02, 2018, 07:17:23 AM
Checking the new messages window, the above policy would only have eliminated the 'phrase war' between Ned W and AbruptSLR, or if their posts bring some new info to the thread, I don't want to read about it. And I specially don't want to figure out who of them is holding the ball more. TL/DR.

Maybe I should look for a forum, that is very tightly moderated to allow only messages that promote the necessary changes to disrupt the Sea Level Rise of 20m.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Ned W on September 02, 2018, 02:46:30 PM
I don't think this has worked.  A-Team was right.  Back in May he pointed out the divergence from science and towards politics.  That has always been the Achilles heel of climate science - politics should never be brought into climate science discussions.

I think it's remarkable that ASIF has done so well for so long.  A lot of php forums like this have seen declining participation over the past six years, as people migrate over to other social media-based platforms.

That said, there does seem to be increasing disagreement about what people want out of ASIF.  Things have diverged so far now that it's probably impossible to keep everyone happy.  So the forum will naturally evolve in some direction.  Human nature being what it is, that direction will probably be towards more rather than less politics.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on September 02, 2018, 05:03:05 PM
You seem to really like the political stuff. I don't think you should stop those discussions, but move them to a different board. Simply hiding them from the main page does not really do anything.

I have really enjoyed this site over the years. I'm new to posting here, so I don't blame you if you don't listen to my opinion. I am posting this because it seems like people are not posting their opinions on the melting season thread this year as much as they use to. There are many people that I look forward to hearing from that are not posting at all.

Part of that is the nature of the internet, but I think that part might also be because the forum has become too controversial.

Anyway, I post this merely as a suggestion. I really enjoy reading this forum. I am just one person, but there might be others like me so i thought it was worth giving you my opinion.

In any event, thank you very much Neven! This forum has been great, and I appreciate all you have done to bring awareness to the situation with the arctic sea ice!
Hear hear! The level of conflict and sharp tones on the forum's various threads is steadily increasing. Beside the general effect of the Trump era, I think this has to do with the proliferation of the political threads, with the endless personal feuds they are engendering, plus the attraction they present to more political-minded folks who join the forum, are used to posting without data backup, enjoy the "hard punches" and tend to scare away or shut up the more reticent types, or otherwise they turn threads to slinging matches.
Currently this is happening mostly in policy and consequences, as the ice threads are more strongly moderated and possibly less controversial or less interesting to would-be troublemakers.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on September 02, 2018, 05:25:44 PM
I don't think this has worked.  A-Team was right.  Back in May he pointed out the divergence from science and towards politics.  That has always been the Achilles heel of climate science - politics should never be brought into climate science discussions.

I think it's remarkable that ASIF has done so well for so long.  A lot of php forums like this have seen declining participation over the past six years, as people migrate over to other social media-based platforms.

That said, there does seem to be increasing disagreement about what people want out of ASIF.  Things have diverged so far now that it's probably impossible to keep everyone happy.  So the forum will naturally evolve in some direction.  Human nature being what it is, that direction will probably be towards more rather than less politics.

I worked in Public Finance for many years. The technical guys wanted the data to do the talking, and politicians to follow the data in decision-making.

Fat chance. It did not take long for demands to me to fit the data to the desired political conclusion to arrive - officially or through other means.

It is the same with climate science - the demand to either preach Armageddon or to soften the message gets stronger every year - reflecting current political polarisation in the USA, Europe, and probably just about everywhere.

I am retired - I have the luxury of being able to follow the data and come to conclusions based on that data. And modify those conclusions or completely change my mind when new data arrives (as it always does). And those who make demands that the data follows a particular person's or political party's ideology can put their demands where the sun don't shine.

Most of us, though, still have "skin in the game " (yuk expression). I am so glad I do not.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: aperson on November 18, 2018, 01:24:34 AM
I wish I could spend likes to force another user to cite their claim or make a falsifiable prediction. If they don't provide, they get banned 1 day for every like I spent.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Ned W on December 03, 2018, 02:20:44 PM
I just poked my head into the "Near Term Human Extinction" thread, which was probably a mistake, but whatever.  That thread is astonishingly toxic and hideous. 

Is this really what people want from ASIF?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: HapHazard on December 03, 2018, 10:02:27 PM
Is this really what people want from ASIF?

I would hope not - but those toxic posters may disagree.

I dislike the minefield this place is turning into. But hey I'm just a longtime lurker.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on December 03, 2018, 11:01:49 PM
Is this really what people want from ASIF?

Different people want different things. The primary reason for starting this forum was to divert off-topic discussions from the blog. It has fulfilled this function so far. Other than that, it's a forum just like any other forum.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Pmt111500 on December 04, 2018, 06:30:43 AM
I just poked my head into the "Near Term Human Extinction" thread, which was probably a mistake, but whatever.  That thread is astonishingly toxic and hideous. 

Is this really what people want from ASIF?
...
in this case, this one
- https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1428.msg182903.html#msg182903

Hah, bbr might have gotten himself to a potential terrorist list with that one. Free thinking extremist. Is he from Canada? Everyone knows Canada hosts hordes of extremists stuck on cold war.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on December 16, 2018, 11:23:32 PM
Perhaps the Holocene Extinction thread postings need exclusion from the Unread Posts page.

If I had seen the "unread posts" page as it is at this moment on my first peek at this forum, I might have run away, even though I occasionally put in my pennyworth of comment.

Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on December 16, 2018, 11:37:39 PM
You're absolutely right! Sorry for not thinking of this myself.  :-[
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on December 16, 2018, 11:50:46 PM
You're absolutely right! Sorry for not thinking of this myself.  :-[
Once upon a time when someone said I was right, my chest puffed up with pride.
Now, I just get confused.

Ageing is weird.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on December 16, 2018, 11:57:37 PM
You're absolutely wrong!







Did that help?  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on December 17, 2018, 12:09:41 AM
You're absolutely wrong!







Did that help?  ;)

Dribble, grunt, nervous tic.

Nurse arrives with hypodermic to quieten the patient. Peace descends.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: be cause on December 17, 2018, 01:50:03 AM
be cause .. and effects .. my humour had ripples .. b.c.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: sidd on March 15, 2019, 07:50:44 AM
I have noticed that links posted now include a bit that goes "?fbclid=" followed by a long string. That string is a facebook tracker.

for example:

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-young-people-call-for-buying-boycott-in-climate-change-protest-Boycott-Citoyen?fbclid=IwAR1FmFU8BfGyqTbDMhks920qGTrxMU9VxaGjINKlPO-yX-6l43wXWSgT5dc

the link allows facebook (and probably the rest of NSAgoofacetwit) knows exactly where the poster saw that link. So now they know also that anyone who clicks that link saw that particular post. Und so weiter.

Please strip goofacetwit trackers off the end of your links. Just that link without everything after and including the "?fbclid=" works fine. For now.

So a perfectly good link is

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-young-people-call-for-buying-boycott-in-climate-change-protest-Boycott-Citoyen

without the facebook tracker.

But of course i notice that the link target also has a facebook tracker. So if you clicked on the link with the "?fbclid=" bit included,  then facebook knows which link you saw, and who posted it. Your browser probably sends the referrer tag, so they know you saw it on nevens arctic forum.

if you stripped out  the tracker and cut and pasted the rest into an anonymous browser window, then they get your IP and browser fingerprint. (They got those in both previous cases also)

(I notice that reuters and a couple other sites now make unstrippable tags like that, so one needs cleverer defense.)

I am probably boring people, so i will stop.

sidd
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Juan C. García on March 17, 2019, 04:18:41 AM
Just found this basic information about Arctic Sea Ice changes since 1980s on YouTube

Excellent video Stephan!

Makes me wonder if, apart from the "like" button, we could have a "keep" button, in which we can mark [bookmark] the posts that we really like and we want to have a way to keep them mark for future reference.

Could that be possible?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on March 17, 2019, 12:51:13 PM
Juan, go to your profile -> profile info -> show posts -> likes given.

That'll give you an overview of everything you have 'liked', and should make it easy to find stuff, unless you 'like' a whole lot.  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on March 17, 2019, 01:21:53 PM
For those of us that tend to give likes: Just bookmark the post, or add the YT video to a YT playlist.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Juan C. García on March 17, 2019, 03:37:20 PM
Juan, go to your profile -> profile info -> show posts -> likes given.

That'll give you an overview of everything you have 'liked', and should make it easy to find stuff, unless you 'like' a whole lot.  ;)


Thanks for the answers, Neven & Oren.
Both ways work. I am looking to a procedure like the one Neven comments. But, yes, I have give a lot of "likes". When I like a comment, I mark it, but that doesn't mean that I want to have a bookmark. Maybe I should reduce my "likes", but it is also a way to express thanks to others people work. I will think about it.
 
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: b_lumenkraft on March 17, 2019, 04:09:27 PM
This is a long-standing problem with social media IMHO.

You want to be able to show sympathy, bookmark posts, or monetize content creator even. But there is only 'like'. There should be 'like', 'bookmark', and 'flattr'.

For the bookmarking, there are workarounds with read later services like Instapaper or Pocket. I'm using Pocket and it suits me well.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: kassy on March 17, 2019, 04:34:19 PM
I just keep word files with text/links to the post/YT address and a short description.

The problem with a specialist forum is that even searches that would be specific in a general context can generate many hits on the forum.

 
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on April 11, 2019, 04:49:12 PM
Here is one...extend the Recent Posts listing.
I just checked and it is less than seven hours long. People have jobs, sleep, and otherwise are away from the forum for more than seven hours at a stretch on numerous occasions. In my particular case, I abstain from the web on Fridays for Penance and Sundays for the Sabbath (I am a Roman Catholic). I would not expect the listings to go that long, but at least 24 hours for those who have a daily ritual of logging on here?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: b_lumenkraft on April 11, 2019, 05:40:20 PM
Here is one...extend the Recent Posts listing.

Try >> https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=unread

Shows you all the posts that you have not read since the last visit. You won't miss a single posting. :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tor Bejnar on April 11, 2019, 08:26:34 PM
After following B_'s advice and having read all you want, click on the "MARK ALL MESSAGES AS READ" button, so that the 'rubbish' (should there be threads you're not interested in) doesn't sit there.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: interstitial on April 12, 2019, 12:35:08 AM
I would like an ignore button for certain topics so when I click on unread post those topics I am not interested in don't show up. Unfortunately I suspect we are limited to the forum ecosystem being used so that option is probably not available.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on April 12, 2019, 10:14:14 AM
I'm afraid this isn't possible, but you may want to try and google a solution. I can install mods on this SMF forum, so if there is a mod that proposes what you want, we can give it a try.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on April 17, 2019, 01:57:26 PM
Is there some way to tell what posts have been recently edited, so you can see the new version? I have taken to editing my posts to add more links when I find them later, if no one else has posted anything on that thread yet. Or should I just make a new posting?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: b_lumenkraft on April 17, 2019, 02:05:39 PM
Have you reloaded the page Tom?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on April 17, 2019, 03:53:51 PM
Let me give you an example of what I mean:
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2441.msg195728.html#msg195728

I posted an article link on the 2020 election. It was about a proposal for a Democratic Primary debate exclusively on climate change. Almost nine hours later I found a link to a petition to sign for such a debate. I signed it (at least I think I did...I'm not used to signing online petitions and am not sure I pushed all the right buttons). But if someone clicked on /new/ in those nine hours they would not see that petition (because I hadn't added it yet...duh). If they were to check that thread's /new/ again now, when there have been a couple other postings, would they find out about the petition?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on April 17, 2019, 05:03:30 PM
And another thing (a different suggestion, so I will do a different post).
Is there some way you can make the search results reverse chronological? Just for giggles, I just tried search for /methane/.
First result was March 30, 2019
Second was November 11, 2018 (so far so good)
Third was August 09, 2018 (ditto)
Fourth was February 14, 2019 (huh?)

I am trying to find threads to put my postings on. When I tried to post an article that sensitivity to CO2 doubling may be higher than thought (searching for /double/) and tried to post, I got a message that the thread had not been updated in 120 days and to start a new thread. So I did, and neven closed it.
If there is a 120 day limit for old threads, the search results should not jump all over the forums history.

EDIT: I realize now I should have searched for /doubling/ but the suggestion still stands.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on April 17, 2019, 05:39:49 PM
Is there some way to tell what posts have been recently edited, so you can see the new version? I have taken to editing my posts to add more links when I find them later, if no one else has posted anything on that thread yet. Or should I just make a new posting?
When you update a post, if no one else has read it yet, it will be edited cleanly. If it has been read already, an edit time will appear at the bottom of the updated post.
An updated post causes a thread to reappear in the "recent unread threads" list even if no new post has been added to it.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on April 17, 2019, 06:14:30 PM
If there is a 120 day limit for old threads, the search results should not jump all over the forums history.

There's no limit, it's just a warning that you don't have to abide.

Try to do what results in the least amount of work for Neven.  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on April 17, 2019, 07:10:38 PM
As this is a science-based forum (on its better days), and the subject matter is very long-term, and the number of active contributors on esoteric threads is very low, it can happen quite a lot that updates on certain issues only occur several times a year. I think it would be better if this 120-day warning is changed to at least a 365-day warning, if possible. And even then it can be quite interesting to continue discussions of years past, meanwhile seeing what has changed in the intervening period.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on April 17, 2019, 07:46:24 PM
Okay, I'll try and find where this can be adjusted in the admin panel.

edit: Found it and disabled it.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on April 17, 2019, 08:39:40 PM
If there is a 120 day limit for old threads, the search results should not jump all over the forums history.

There's no limit, it's just a warning that you don't have to abide.

Try to do what results in the least amount of work for Neven.  ;)

Thanks.
The Alternate History Forum is really nasty when you do that. They would probably "kick" temporarily or even permanently ban someone who did it more than once.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on April 18, 2019, 03:27:45 AM
I have "liked" several postings (like a couple on cli-fi).
As I like more and more, is there some way to find a list of all the postings I liked?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on April 18, 2019, 01:31:23 PM
Thanks, Lurk.
I had to look for a moment...it was under my avatar on the left.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: johnm33 on April 19, 2019, 10:58:32 PM
There's a case to made for allowing high worth contributors to control/edit the threads they create and which they inform/maintain for the general good.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: b_lumenkraft on June 06, 2019, 08:33:06 AM
f******

Quote
p***.

General question about bleeping swears: Is it required to bleep the cursing words?

To give my 2 cents about the topic: I tried hard to understand this concept but i failed. I don't know if it's the most stupid thing Americans do, but it is somewhere in the top ten for sure. Land of the free, eh?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on June 06, 2019, 08:37:45 AM
f******

Quote
p***.

General question about bleeping swears: Is it required to bleep the cursing words?

It depends. If it's directed at someone, not so much. I don't have a problem with curse words in general. I think it can be very creative sometimes, linguistically speaking.  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: b_lumenkraft on June 06, 2019, 08:50:02 AM
It depends. If it's directed at someone, not so much.
In this case, it shouldn't be used anyway. That's a given. :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: interstitial on June 06, 2019, 09:31:11 PM
To give my 2 cents about the topic: I tried hard to understand this concept but i failed. I don't know if it's the most stupid thing Americans do, but it is somewhere in the top ten for sure. Land of the free, eh?
If you think that is stupid you should hear someone who is trying to quit swearing all the time by using replacement words. If they are creative when they go on a non-swearing swearing rant it can be truly hilarious. ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: b_lumenkraft on June 06, 2019, 09:36:03 PM
Yeah,  interstitial. I watched this TV show, The Good Place. People in heaven trying to swear would instead say something like 'holy forking shirt balls'. Pretty hilarious show! :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: vox_mundi on June 06, 2019, 11:31:22 PM
All things are relative; take dung beetles for instance...   :)

(https://img.ifcdn.com/images/305e0e73d0b01c85a0ae354f37a022c18a5074889f617debd2e5fc06a8428597_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on June 07, 2019, 02:06:51 AM
All things are relative; take dung beetles for instance...   :)

that's a dangerous statement because often abused by those who deny facts of life and eventual physics.

NOT all is relative, simply and outright wrong and the most favoured killer argument of the narrow minded or ego-trippers to justify their doings.

for example: if we burn fossil fuel and blow CO2 into the atmosphere the climate becomes warmer and the sea-level will raise and destroy habitable zones in quantity as well as arable land in quantity. nothing about that is relative but it's cause and effect based on laws of physics.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: aperson99 on June 07, 2019, 06:02:12 AM
Long time lurker, since 2010. I finally decided to create an account and post. But don't forget that I've been following along and reading for 9 years, so I feel like I know y'all pretty good.

Every spring/summer there is a rash of new people that stumble onto this forum and want to change the world, or at least talk about the possibility. And some of them continue to post here. It's always a rush to see what happens when new meets old.

I've been thinking about what Rich is saying, and I think I hear him, but please chime in. As an activist, he wants to ensure that the average new lurker out there is appropriately engaged and finds the strength within themselves to stand up and do something, speak out, get involved, or at least vote. Rich thinks the forum should enlighten, inform and inspire. And this is the crux of the difference between science and activism. Science observes; activism does. Science says, "Hey, look at all this information!!!" Activism says, "Hey, this is fucked up. Let's change it!!!"

I don’t want to debate with Rich about the threads with which he’s expressed difficulty. I just want to say that this is a science forum; we observe. But maybe there’s room to inspire, also.

The forum "Policy and solutions" seems very technical and observational to me, reporting on technological solutions that may help us, or what governments are saying at a certain moment. This is important, but not the same as activism.

The forum "Walking the walk" is important for things we can do as individuals. But I'd like you all to read this article I saw yesterday. It's not a new idea; I've been realizing over the years that we (in the US) have been fed a line by our corporate overlords that it's because we're not good enough consumers/recyclers/eaters … this is why there is AGW. I'm not saying we shouldn't do our part individually, but the picture is much larger.

"Climate change is a vast and complicated problem, and that means the answer is complicated too. We need to let go of the idea that it’s all of our individual faults, then take on the collective responsibility of holding the true culprits accountable. In other words, we need to become many Davids against one big, bad Goliath." https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/5/28/18629833/climate-change-2019-green-new-deal

It's the difference between shame and guilt. We need to stop feeling shame and start feeling guilt, and then do something about it. I think this is what Rich is saying. Activism is about engaging with others to enact change, not only changing our individual habits, not only paying attention to the science (which is important).

I propose that a new Forum is created in "AGW in general" section called "Activism," or at least change "Policy and solutions" or "Walking the walk" to include the word activism. I think it's important to put the word "activism" on the main page so newbies, and all of us, can see it, and have a place for actual events, discussions, etc. Now I know that there will be push back about that idea. But Nevin, please think about it. We need to provide a beacon for scientists and activists alike. I know there’s tons of other places for activist information, but there’s only one ASIF. People come here.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on June 07, 2019, 10:46:00 AM
Okay, I'll think about it. At the end of the day, this is about connecting the science to the (right) activism. That has always been my purpose.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on June 07, 2019, 11:05:24 AM
Welcome, aperson99. Great first post. Science is important, activism is important, and doing things in the right threads is important too...
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Rich on June 07, 2019, 12:00:57 PM
Thanks for your suggestion aperson99 and for being inspired to participate after 9 years of lurking.

I don't necessarily subscribe to the idea that science is all about observation. We're all participants in the human experiment. We have biases. 

I see a problem in the world which has a tremendous amount of inertia leading us toward a brick wall. It"s not exactly a secret. I see the ASIF community as largely sympathetic to that perspective. Despite my criticism, these are my kind of peeps.

My perspective is that the science is useless if we don't use it to do what we can to stop a pending apocalypse. Somehow, we have to use our noggins to overcome the inertia. I'm trying to instigate in a way that causes people to think  about how we relate to the system and what our mission is.

As Neven says, he's interested in promoting the right kind of activism. My observation is that he's a very well respected leader here and I hope he's successful in encouraging the ASIF community to put fighting environmental catastrophe on the same level as understanding the science that explains it.

By way of background, I grew up with an unfortunately intimate understanding of the Holocaust and had to grapple with interpreting how human beings could allow something like that to happen. It's impossible to judge how we would have reacted in similar circumstances. But now, that similar circumstance presents itself and we have an opportunity to use our voices to resist. We may be too late, but I prefer to end fighting in the Warsaw Ghetto vs. going out quietly.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: vox_mundi on June 07, 2019, 05:58:48 PM
All things are relative; take dung beetles for instance...   :)

that's a dangerous statement because often abused by those who deny facts of life and eventual physics.

NOT all is relative, simply and outright wrong and the most favoured killer argument of the narrow minded or ego-trippers to justify their doings.

for example: if we burn fossil fuel and blow CO2 into the atmosphere the climate becomes warmer and the sea-level will raise and destroy habitable zones in quantity as well as arable land in quantity. nothing about that is relative but it's cause and effect based on laws of physics.

magnamentis, good sir

lighten up; get a sense of humor; the world is not ALL darkness.

.. NOT ALL is SERIOUS, un-fun science meant to kill humor, levity, and otherwise eliminate a respite for the broad minded who are trying to interject a spot of absurdity in an otherwise tragic situation.

For future reference, I realize that North American humor may lose something in translation, but my cartoon post applied to the 3 prior post on inappropriate language - and only those posts. No hidden meaning.

Remember, at the end of the game, both the king and the pawn end up in the same box. Life is short. Laugh when the opportunity arises. And I say this as a scientist with over 40 years of experience.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: magnamentis on June 07, 2019, 08:56:54 PM
All things are relative; take dung beetles for instance...   :)

that's a dangerous statement because often abused by those who deny facts of life and eventual physics.

NOT all is relative, simply and outright wrong and the most favoured killer argument of the narrow minded or ego-trippers to justify their doings.

for example: if we burn fossil fuel and blow CO2 into the atmosphere the climate becomes warmer and the sea-level will raise and destroy habitable zones in quantity as well as arable land in quantity. nothing about that is relative but it's cause and effect based on laws of physics.

magnamentis, good sir

lighten up; get a sense of humor; the world is not ALL darkness.

.. NOT ALL is SERIOUS, un-fun science meant to kill humor, levity, and otherwise eliminate a respite for the broad minded who are trying to interject a spot of absurdity in an otherwise tragic situation.

For future reference, I realize that North American humor may lose something in translation, but my cartoon post applied to the 3 prior post on inappropriate language - and only those posts. No hidden meaning.

Remember, at the end of the game, both the king and the pawn end up in the same box. Life is short. Laugh when the opportunity arises. And I say this as a scientist with over 40 years of experience.

don't worry, i'm smiling all day long, starting first thing in the morning and often about things that go wrong, hence we are in full agreement on all that part.

nevertheless some things ARE serious and the topic of this forum and all that's related is on of the very serious things.

again don't get me wrong, i'm not even saying that GW is just and solely bad, (dangerous to say that here i know) but since we don't know the outcome, all the consequences, direct and indirect ones, we are doing it wrong because if i don't know the way in the dark i either stop and wait for light or i'm walking slowly on the very careful side.

what we humans are currently doing is like driving 200km/h on a mountain road in the fog/mist.
and i swear we are going to crash. perhaps not even because of higher temps as such but because of the indirect consequences. we shall see famine, economic disruption, water wars and in the aftermath real large scale wars or a modern substitute of wars like it already started after the last banking crises which in fact was an unheard warning shot.

they try to fix the money-world but don't work on fixing the causes of which overpopulation, forced economic growth and exploitation of any resources one can imagine are only some to be mentioned.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: nanning on June 10, 2019, 01:46:08 PM
I have a suggestion.

I think this scientifically oriented forum should use the SI unit system for temperatures but many anglo-saxon people have a subculture which uses the old imperial system, so why not let the server catch it (temperature) when something is posted and change it to give the temperature in both systems.
If you have access to the sourcecode you can implement it in the parsing of new posts: catch patterns in the post-text, I can't remember the right mnemonics, but something like {<number>["F","°F"]} and {<number>["C","°C"]}, then change it with a simple calculation to add the Celsius or Fahrenheit degrees for clarity. So for example "bla bla 5F" will be changed to "bla bla -15°C(5°F)"

I think it is not difficult to implement. The parsing is in the code where the emoji's are converted to pictures in HTML. In those lines just add another catch ("if()" statement) for above patterns. A 'regular expression' (regexp) will do nicely I think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression)

Maybe later do the same for length (meters, m , feet, ft, cm,in and inches) but that will be difficult I think.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on June 10, 2019, 02:38:23 PM
Nanning, that's an interesting idea, but I have no idea how I could implement it. People just have to be clear whether they mean C or F.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tor Bejnar on June 10, 2019, 04:44:18 PM
And to confound machines, some here use "[sup ]o[/sup ]" to get XoC, rather than using "Alt 167" to get XºC.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: b_lumenkraft on June 10, 2019, 04:47:05 PM
(option+k on Mac)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 10, 2019, 07:27:05 PM
b_lumenkraft:
like this?
123˚ C

THANKS!
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: b_lumenkraft on June 10, 2019, 07:35:43 PM
Welcome Tom, shortcut of the day! :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: nanning on June 22, 2019, 07:47:43 AM
Suggestion:

Concerning accumulation. Accumulation, which gives higher status, honours and more privilege, brings out bad things such as poor/rich, supremacy, establishment, unequality.
Richard P. Feynman didn't like honours at all, and I agree with him that they are bad. They are mostly one-dimensional and don't address the whole human. The same goes for titles. For instance, a sublime crafs(wo)man doesn't get a title in our aristocracy system.
(Feynman on honours 2m37) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f61KMw5zVhg)


My proposal for this forum is to stop with (civilisations') status systems and make the forum more equal. We should lose all hierarchy apart from functional ones such as administrator. Everybody has his/her function. One function is not better than other functions.

This means quitting with the aristocratic name system of "citizen", "upper class", "emperor", "royalty" etc. Perhaps rename it into a guild system if people really really need a status? But then again, on this forum the status is not on the merit of skills, just activity frequency. So it doesn't resemble a guild system.

In the same context I'd also propose to have the "likes" system removed (maybe also the number-of-posts?).

We shouldn't think in boxes and labels. We don't need to score or win! Those things are not real.


I've read on many science reports that social and cultural systems change is necessary. It has to start somewhere, why not set a good example?
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Rich on June 22, 2019, 08:27:06 AM
^+1000

Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on June 22, 2019, 08:54:37 AM
It'd be fun to turn it around. The more posts you have, the higher the insult.  ;D

Maybe I'll do that one day.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: b_lumenkraft on June 22, 2019, 09:26:01 AM
I don't think the forum software is that easy to adjust accordingly. It's a solid developer job to remove this stuff.

Nanning, i like that idea in principle. The rankings are not only arbitrary they are also flawed. For what i can see, they are only coupled with post count, which would make a spammy chatterbox high ranking pretty quickly although they don't contribute in a productive way.

But the likes need to say IMHO. They have several functions, i find very useful.

For example, the like system can be used as a bookmarking system, making it easier to find reference posts.

Also, it shows noobs the credibility of contributors in a way.

And last but not least it's a way to show sympathy with someone.

I like the likes. :)
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: be cause on June 22, 2019, 10:11:03 AM
it's not that long since Neven developed this hierarchy .. it could probably be reversed .. I too like the likes but would like to know which posts have been liked .. :) .
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: oren on June 22, 2019, 10:58:47 AM
The Like system saves many thank you and "+1" posts and gives posters some sort of feedback. I like it.
But the ranking system is a bit inappropriate. Royalty is not democratic, and the titles can be scary to newbies.
I would change ranks to "insulting" but actually honorable titles, "community servant", "tree hugger" and so on. But I think "lurker" for long-time members who post little, and "newbie" for those newly-registered, are informative and should stay.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: nanning on June 22, 2019, 12:07:01 PM
Nice one oren.
To add?: "extinction rebel",  "carbon footprint trasher" and "kind frugalist".
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: kassy on June 23, 2019, 11:00:18 PM
Or we could just ignore it. There current ones don't distract me. Basically they are just ranks of numbers of posts.

I really don't like the more colourful ones. They can be true or not while we all know we are not kings or citizins. Basically the only time i looked at it was in the beginning to check if i still rated as a newbie.


 
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on June 26, 2019, 07:41:14 PM
Hi Neven,

EDIT burnrate has fixed it. Please ignore the following message.

A new guy, burnrate, has just posted a couple of large gifs THAT WON'T STOP.
Can you kill them?

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2591.msg208493.html#msg208493

Help !!

Gero
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: gerontocrat on July 05, 2019, 09:13:38 PM
I occasionally wander backwards through time to see what was hot on the ASIF years ago.

I found a poll in 2013 - When will the Forum Reach 1 million Page Views?

As I write this the Page Views are :- 89,920,863. Did you imagine when you started the ASIF that....

A poll, Neven ? When will Page Views reach 100 million?
____________________________________________________________________
ps:- First time I pressed "more stats" at the bottom of the home page. Dead interesting.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: Neven on July 05, 2019, 11:19:16 PM
As I write this the Page Views are :- 89,920,863. Did you imagine when you started the ASIF that....

No, I just wanted a decoy for the ASIB comment section.  ;D

Quote
A poll, Neven ? When will Page Views reach 100 million?

I'm not opening it, but anyone who wants to, be my guest.
Title: Re: Suggestions
Post by: b_lumenkraft on July 06, 2019, 08:49:04 AM
No, I just wanted a decoy for the ASIB comment section.  ;D

LOL, that escalated quickly!  ;D