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Title: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on May 28, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
My neighborhood was engulfed in flame, smoke and looting last night after police fired continuously on peaceful protesters demanding justice after a cop killed a man lying on his stomach with his hands handcuffed.

kassy asked me to post updates on this part of the forum, so I will do so as the situation allows
Title: Re: Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 28, 2020, 06:28:09 PM
Crosspost:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aZ205Muu8A
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 28, 2020, 07:42:06 PM
(https://i.redd.it/nth02n9xne151.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on May 28, 2020, 08:22:38 PM
Thanks for those, blum.

There's lots of stuff online for anyone who wants to search. Just don't trust most of the MSM narrative...this was first and foremost a police riot--cowardly cops firing on brave, peaceful, unarmed protesters from roof tops...

I only got a couple hours sleep last night, and then I've been surveying the damage and helping with a bit of clean up (lots of the neighborhood showed up to help with that).

So I'm gonna try to catch a few winks, but invite people to post links, thoughts, etc.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 28, 2020, 08:50:14 PM
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Democratic congresswomen Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar have called for the police officer who knelt on George Floyd‘s neck to be charged with murder, as the former claims politicians are scared of “the political power of police.”

Link >> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/george-floyd-death-aoc-ilhan-omar-police-officer-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-twitter-a9536876.html
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 28, 2020, 08:52:44 PM
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Tucker Carlson Calls Protests Against Police Violence 'A Form Of Tyranny' : The Fox News host seemed fine with protests featuring armed right-wingers rallying against coronavirus lockdowns.

Link >> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-police-violence-protests_n_5ecf30ecc5b60f293c94ec56
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on May 28, 2020, 09:15:20 PM
AM2...bless your heart

Do you even know what you're looking at

The first video shows the Autozone store that an undercover cop broke the window of and may have started the fire, then ran off after being confronted by peaceful protesters. The video shows very brave protesters risking their lives trying to PUT OUT the fire, unfortunately unsuccessfully.

Don't believe everything you think

In any case, if you're more concerned with corporate property (insured, no one's losing money here) than with Black lives, then you ARE the problem, sir/ma'am.

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A bit of context, too...cop snipers were firing on brave, unarmed protesters from roofs all day. They had to set up a makeshift MASH unit in a local store to try to treat the 100+ badly wounded. No ambulances would come.

The police department has lost all legitimacy with pretty much every individual and institution in the city and beyond, including the University of Minnesota, which has formally cut off any ties it had with the dept.

Legislators and other office holders are currently drawing up plans to totally defund the entire department

You can just keep killing and killing and killing citizens for absolutely no reason and expect there to never be any reprecussions.

We have protested vehemently and non-violently for decades, but we can now always control the real fury of the masses.

And please don't assume that there is much overlap between the looters and the actual protesters in the street, who were mostly amazingly disciplined and courageous in the line of continuous fire.

A lot of people are gonna take advantage of a chaotic situation. By late in the evening, it was pretty much the gangs who had taken over the streets. They also, of course, have very little love for the cops, but are a very different crowd from the protesters.

But yeah, its hard when it has come to this. I'm glad the residential part of my neighborhood was mostly spared. But I know a guy who is probably homeless now because of this.

It is completely possible to not condone the loss of property while having some understanding of the immediate and longer term circumstances that lead to it taking place...can we handle that kind of subtlety?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 28, 2020, 09:24:32 PM
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An agent provocateur (French for "inciting agent") is a person who commits or who acts to entice another person to commit an illegal or rash act or falsely implicate them in partaking in an illegal act, so as to ruin the reputation or entice legal action against the target or a group they belong to. An agent provocateur may be a member of a law enforcement agency acting out of their own sense of duty or under orders, or other entity. They may target any group, such as a peaceful protest or demonstration, a union, a political party or a company.

Link >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on May 28, 2020, 09:30:29 PM
Thanks, blum

here's the relevant video...very suspicious guy w the umbrella, as everyone realizes at the time:

https://video-ams4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.24130-2/10000000_704696513684739_7571916135688204727_n.mp4?

<removed tracking code from link, BK Nevermind. Not a tracking code, sorry. This is really weird, without tracking code this link isn't working anymore.>
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on May 28, 2020, 09:45:12 PM
Wow, cliche much?

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Next thing you know, they'll be wanting to go back to living in caves, nobody work any more, live that way for a while.” Old Man Warner responds to Mr. Adams who tells him that another village had given up the lottery...

https://www.sparknotes.com/short-stories/the-lottery/quotes/character/old-man-warner/

Who pays every day for the lives destroyed by the institutional racism that runs straight through our society?


“Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe. “ — Frederick Douglass
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: KiwiGriff on May 28, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Wili
Your vid shows a very suspect individual that supports your claim of deliberate actions to escalate tensions .
I am extremely troubled by the problems you are having in your community.
Adding even more violence from the police or the public to what has happened will not make things better.

FWIW
You can delete every thing after the file format designation like mp4/jpg/png  in links it is internet data tracking from the question mark on.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 28, 2020, 09:56:10 PM
Can't compare peaceful demonstrations with mass arson and looting.  :-X

Let's see what we have here. You have an outraged group that is literally targeted by the police since forever. Before that, they where slaves. Now they protest because someone was killed by the cops - again. Then you have the police come in, escalating it as hard as they can, even deploying agent-provocateurs. This, apparently, is the situation at hand.

Just as a heads up, AM, i will not allow victim-blaming. For how i see it, the attacked and smeared protesters are victims here too.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on May 28, 2020, 10:20:42 PM
I got a police knee in my neck several times during protests, but was that the reason he died ?

<Hold your horses, Alexander. Racism snipped! BK>
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Neven on May 28, 2020, 10:26:38 PM
I got a police knee in my neck several times during protests, but was that the reason he died ?

a) You don't live in the US, and b) you are not black.

These things only happen to black Americans, hardly ever to white ones (even though plenty of criminals are white). That's a problem, no two ways about it.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: gerontocrat on May 28, 2020, 11:03:51 PM
How did the richest country in the world get itself into such a goddam-awful mess, of which the Minneapolis police fuck-up is merely the latest manifestation?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on May 28, 2020, 11:15:14 PM
Thanks, KG...done

The branch of Wells Fargo a half block away is boarding up all of their windows in anticipation of violent protests here tonight.

Should I be worried... :o

All buses and light rail closed at 4pm today...shit is getting real here, my friends...
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on May 28, 2020, 11:17:26 PM
The cop seems to sit with his full body weight on his neck. But why does he goes down when they want to put him in the car ? Probably there was something wrong with him. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWzkgKPZWcw
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 28, 2020, 11:34:09 PM

Amy Klobuchar declined to prosecute officer at center of George Floyd's death after previous conduct complaints

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Ex-Minneapolis police officer Derick Chauvin saw at least 10 conduct complaints during his 19-year tenure before he was fired Tuesday, according to a database that documents complaints against police. In particular, he was involved in the shooting death of a man who had stabbed other people before attacking police, as well as some other undisclosed complaints. Klobuchar did not prosecute Chauvin for the first death, and he was later placed on leave when he and other officers shot and wounded an Native American man in 2011.

Link >> https://theweek.com/speedreads/916926/amy-klobuchar-declined-prosecute-officer-center-george-floyds-death-after-previous-conduct-complaints
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on May 29, 2020, 12:04:24 AM
The sitting on the neck move was not one sanctioned by the police department, probably because it could so easily be lethal.

Because you don't know what condition people are in, it is a good idea never to use unnecessary force.

And...why were they using any force at all. None of the videos show him physically resisting.

Let's just call this what it is: A hyper-testosteroned white cop eager to show that he could dominate a big black dude. As blum points out, he had a long history of abusive behavior, many of them already recorded when our current senator and possible vp choice Amy Klobuchar could have had him dismissed, and chose not to.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: CraigsIsland on May 29, 2020, 12:27:24 AM
I got a police knee in my neck several times during protests, but was that the reason he died ?

<Hold your horses, Alexander. Racism snipped! BK>

He died as a result of the knee to the neck. It cut off his windpipe and after 8 minutes, that's a lot oxygen deprivation.

The reason why it's a big deal is because this is a massive miscarriage of justice. Police officers are expected to not be judge, jury and executioner.

Over the last few years, the rise of cell phones have shown arrests and police officer-involved shootings have had a lot questionable judgment made by officers. This is especially highlighted when the citizen is black. It is horrific. The pattern of avoidable deaths and injuries committee by officers on black citizens is disgustingly higher in proportion to other races. Americans expect a fair trial for those who have seemingly murdered someone. The other aspect is the culture of protecting police officers from the same standards as citizens.

I am surprised that there hasn't been any motions on arresting the officers and charging them with murder.

I am disgusted with the poor policing and excuses for not having "functioning" body cameras.

Keep filming interactions with police. hold them to a high standard.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on May 29, 2020, 05:43:42 AM
Minneapolis Police 3rd Precinct on Lake Street overrun, set on fire

Reports from the building show a large number of people inside and outside the police station.

A fire has since been set since, and is looking increasingly established./

The 3rd Precinct is where the four officers connected to the death of 46-year-old George Floyd worked, before they were fired on Tuesday.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on May 29, 2020, 06:07:36 AM
Yup, just down the street from where I live, the people have reversed the usual flow of violence--top to bottom--to the opposite direction.

Still just 'pawns in their game,' but not something that happens every day in America or the world.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on May 29, 2020, 06:12:03 AM
I'm gonna try to repost the link for the police sabateur video. Apologies for those who couldn't see it and for those upset that I'm leaving in the tracking info 'cause I'm obviously such a klutz i don't know how to effectively delete it without f'ng the whole thing up!  :o



Meanwhile, from police scanner: "500 NATIONAL GAURD MEMBERS COMING TO 3rd PRECINCT"


link again: https://www.facebook.com/winwinhungcho/posts/10206805995865524

https://twitter.com/NPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on May 29, 2020, 06:33:27 AM
Yup, just down the street from where I live, the people have reversed the usual flow of violence--top to bottom--to the opposite direction.

Still just 'pawns in their game,' but not something that happens every day in America or the world.
Stay safe mate! It's not looking good there... This could easily escalate into something bigger if Trump thinks it would benefit him. And who doubts he's not already thinking about using this to create even more division? It wouldn't be hard with all that unemployment and right wing nutcases with guns for this to exploded nationwide...
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Neven on May 29, 2020, 11:13:26 AM
Is SARS-CoV-2 already used as a pretext to beat everybody back into their homes?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 29, 2020, 01:09:48 PM
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“When the looting starts, the shooting starts,” is a threat coined by Miami Police Chief Walter Headley, who promised violent reprisals on black protesters in 1967. He also said: “We don’t mind being accused of police brutality. They haven’t seen anything yet.”

Link >> https://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status/1266237702208282624

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Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on May 29, 2020, 02:34:06 PM
I got a police knee in my neck several times during protests, but was that the reason he died ?

<Hold your horses, Alexander. Racism snipped! BK>

He died as a result of the knee to the neck. It cut off his windpipe and after 8 minutes, that's a lot oxygen deprivation.

The reason why it's a big deal is because this is a massive miscarriage of justice. Police officers are expected to not be judge, jury and executioner.

Over the last few years, the rise of cell phones have shown arrests and police officer-involved shootings have had a lot questionable judgment made by officers. This is especially highlighted when the citizen is black. It is horrific. The pattern of avoidable deaths and injuries committee by officers on black citizens is disgustingly higher in proportion to other races. Americans expect a fair trial for those who have seemingly murdered someone. The other aspect is the culture of protecting police officers from the same standards as citizens.

I am surprised that there hasn't been any motions on arresting the officers and charging them with murder.

I am disgusted with the poor policing and excuses for not having "functioning" body cameras.

Keep filming interactions with police. hold them to a high standard.

Still it's a fucked up situation. Because there are so many black people that die every day by violence. And the lose of their life is not worth to mention. But if it's a black/white situation the life of 1 person is enough for an entire city to explode. I don't know if there is a worth to discribe these people, but it would be something like racist. As soon it's black/white the blumenkrafts have to defend the black guy. But you don't hear them about that very large group that is getting slaughthered every day. So they don't care about the violence at all. They just want to be the fake good guys.
 
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: kassy on May 29, 2020, 05:53:26 PM
He was killed by a cop. To protect and serve, that is your clue.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: kassy on May 29, 2020, 06:23:24 PM
From a friend of my daughter's who was there:

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For my friends outside of Minneapolis:
I’m not sure what news outlets are saying about last nights events, but since I’m sure it’s not accurate, here is what I want observed as someone who was at the protest from 5pm till early in the morning
-when I showed up, the protest was a large group of people passing around a microphone, expressing their emotions to the crowd around them
-while this was happening, police on the rooftop of the precinct were shooting rubber bullets into the fringes of the crowd, unprovoked
-people began throwing water bottles at the precinct, and in retaliation the police shot a dozen cans of tear gas into the crowd
-I watched as people who were kneeling on the ground in front of the barricade created by police, had flash grenades go off literally a few feet away from their face
-I then watched as police walked up to these people, peacefully sitting on the ground, and mace them, point blank
-I saw a man get hit in the side of the face with a can of tear gas fired from less than ten feet away
-I watched as community leaders attempted to guard local businesses, to keep out people who had come from outside our community
-police continued to shoot into the crowd indiscriminately, often times unprovoked. Heavy use of tear gas and literally thousands of rubber bullets
-police escalated the situation to the point of where local businesses turned their store front into medical aid stations and triage centers for protestors who were badly injured from police force

Bolding mine.

These incidents are not new and when i discussed it ages ago (in the noughties) there were some interesting things. The amount of hours spent training de-escalation were pretty low. Like 24 hours (in a year or so). Much more shooting training. Quite the wrong mix.

Then all kind of other details. Racially biased shooting targets (the practice ones).

And all kinds of people that failed in Iraq went on to teach urban warfare to police units and they also got lots of supplies from there at some point.

Clearly a lot can be done with better training for a start. Then again the whole culture in LE needs to be cleaned up. This would not have happened if the officer feared murder charges but that is usually not an issue.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 29, 2020, 06:49:35 PM
CNN reporter arrested before the cop who murdered a man.

CNN crew released from police custody after they were arrested live on air in Minneapolis

Link >> https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/minneapolis-cnn-crew-arrested/index.html
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on May 29, 2020, 07:42:13 PM
Ex-Officer Who Knelt On George Floyd's Neck In Custody: Reports
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/george-floyd-death-live-updates-protests-erupt-200529124843031.html

According to local media, the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension has taken into custody former officer Derek Chauvin, who kneeled on Floyd's neck for several minutes before the black man went motionless. 

No criminal charges have been filed as of yet.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on May 29, 2020, 09:19:08 PM
Minneapolis cop charged with murder in Floyd's death
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/29/minn-governor-acknowledges-abject-failure-in-protest-response-289304

The police officer who was seen on video kneeling on the neck of George Floyd, a handcuffed black man who died in custody after pleading that he could not breathe, was arrested Friday and charged with murder in a case that sparked protests across the United States and violence in Minneapolis.

Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said Derek Chauvin was charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter. Freeman did not provide immediate details, but said a criminal complaint would be made available later Friday and that more charges were possible.

News of the arrest came moments after Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz acknowledged the “abject failure” of the response to the protests and called for swift justice for officers involved. Walz said the state would take over the response to the violence and that it’s time to show respect and dignity to those who are suffering.

The governor faced tough questions after National Guard leader Maj. Gen. Jon Jensen blamed a lack of clarity about the Guard’s mission for a slow response. Walz said the state was in a supporting role and that it was up to city leaders to run the situation. Walz said it became apparent as the 3rd Precinct was lost that the state had to step in, which happened at 12:05 a.m. Requests from the cities for resources “never came,” he said.

On Friday morning, nearly every building in the shopping district around the abandoned police station had been vandalized, burned or looted. National Guard members were in the area, with several of them lined up, keeping people away from the police station.

Dozens of volunteers swept up broken glass in the street, doing what they could to help.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: igs on May 29, 2020, 11:16:01 PM
Now that people lost their jobs and have even less to lose the shit starts to hit the fan and this is just the beginning.


The really heavy impact of the lockdown exercise of how to control population in a mobile world will get to everyones awareness from this fall latest and will last a long long time or culminate in what happened before when similar things happened.


Those who see through are nowadays flagged and/or ridiculed as conspiracy theorists (terrorists) and that's how they're muted while the rest applaudes their saviours with their hidden agenda until it's too late.


The thing that disappoints me most is how history has and is repeating itself so obviously and the all so smart average people who define their status over goods and the likes fall for it again and a part of me thinks that this is why mankind does not diserve better.

Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on May 30, 2020, 01:45:05 AM
Border Patrol Flies Anti-Terrorism Drone Over Minneapolis Protestors
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/05/border-patrol-drone-used-in-anti-terror-ops-flies-over-minneapolis-protestors/

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... The drone, using the tracking signal CBP104, took off from Grand Forks Airforce Base at 9:08 am Central Daylight Time and shortly afterward headed directly to Minneapolis, this feed from live flight tracking service FlightAware showed. The drone then circled the city six times from about 10:45 until noon. The aircraft maintained an altitude of about 20,000 feet.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CBP104

Grand Forks AFB is the home of the Air Force's 319th Reconnaissance Wing. It is also a site Customs and Border Patrol personnel use for takeoff and landing of the Predator B unmanned aircraft system. CPB uses the drone in anti-terrorism operations by helping to identify and intercept potential terrorists and illegal cross-border activity.

The Border Patrol deployed the drone less than 12 hours after President Trump labeled the Minneapolis protestors "thugs" and pledged military support to counter them.

The exact authority that CBP is operating under in order to support state and local officials is unclear. The agency does have controversial authority to conduct various activities within the United States inside a 100-mile-deep buffer area along the country's borders, but Minneapolis is outside that defined area.

... Regardless, this would not be the first time aerial surveillance assets have been employed in response to protests and rioting in the United States, though. In 2015, the Federal Bureau of Investigation notably employed manned aircraft to conduct persistent surveillance missions over Baltimore, Maryland during the protests in the wake of the police killing of Freddie Gray.

The use of persistent aerial surveillance for law enforcement purposes has long been a controversial topic. Civil liberties advocates say these and other mass surveillance activities violate rights to personal privacy and undermine constitutional protections against unlawful searches.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33756/customs-and-border-protection-predator-b-drone-appears-over-minneapolis-protests
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on May 30, 2020, 04:01:25 AM
THANKS, ALL


i had heard about the predator drone...seems to be a real thing

as someone living in the belly of the mother fucking beast...i would love to hear anyone's perspectives, but esp vox's...

I just climbed up ladders, which i hate, to wet down my and my fled neighbors rooves...which i hate.

I'm pretty sure i will die suffocating on fumes in my sleep tonight.

best to all

sorry i was never a sliver of what Terry delivered here...best to all...bye
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on May 30, 2020, 07:43:57 AM
Protests Spread Nationwide On Fourth Night After Minneapolis Death Of George Floyd
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/866022166/protests-spread-nationwide-on-fourth-night-after-minneapolis-death-of-george-flo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hC1g_hLpYiw

Dominic: What do you think will happen?

Finch: What usually happens when people without guns stand up to people *with* guns

V for Vendetta - 2005

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The future depends on what we do in the present.

M. Gandhi

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Gandhi for the Post-Truth Age
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/22/gandhi-for-the-post-truth-age/amp
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on May 30, 2020, 07:47:22 AM
Dear wili, here some unimportant ideas from me. Just to give support. Please dismiss if not to the point.
Stay strong and intelligent wili. Fear can be used for energy if you keep a clear head. I really feel for you. Are you alone?
Is leaving the city an option? Do you have African-American friends to/for support?
Can you break people's fear and anxiety with humour? It's a talent not many have. Try to control your anger-emotions.

I wish that the suffocating remark is an overstatement. Please keep us informed.
Terry is surely missed. I wish he's still alive. We don't want to miss you too wili.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on May 30, 2020, 08:45:48 AM
Military On Alert As Protests Spread Across US In Wake of George Floyd's Death
https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300024518/military-on-alert-as-protests-spread-across-us-in-wake-of-george-floyds-death

The Associated Press is reporting that the Pentagon is ordering the Army to put several active-duty military police units on the ready to deploy to Minneapolis.

Soldiers from Fort Bragg in North Carolina and Fort Drum in New York have been ordered to be ready to deploy within four hours if called, according to three people with direct knowledge of the orders. Soldiers in Fort Carson, in Colorado, and Fort Riley in Kansas have been told to be ready within 24 hours. The people did not want their names used because they were not authorized to discuss the preparations.

The get-ready orders were sent verbally on Friday, after President Donald Trump asked Defense Secretary Mark Esper for military options to help quell the unrest in Minneapolis after protests descended into looting and arson in some parts of the city.

Trump made the request on a phone call from the Oval Office on Thursday night that included Esper, National Security Advisor Robert O’ Brien and several others. The president asked Esper for rapid deployment options if the Minneapolis protests continued to spiral out of control, according to one of the people, senior Pentagon official who was on the call.

”When the White House asks for options, someone opens the drawer and pulls them out so to speak.” the official said.

The person said the military units would be deployed under the Insurrection Act of 1807, which was last used in 1992 during the riots in Los Angeles that followed the Rodney King trial.

Members of the police units were on a 30-minute recall alert early Saturday, meaning they would have to return to their bases inside that time limit in preparation for deployment to Minneapolis inside of four hours. Units at Fort Drum are slated to head to Minneapolis first, according to the three people, including two Defense Department officials. Roughly 800 U.S. soldiers would deploy to the city if called.

This comes after Donald Trump tweeted that he told Minnesota governor Tim Walz that “the Military is with him all the way”. Twitter hid that tweet behind a warning that it “glorifies violence” - Trump had ended that tweet with “when the looting starts, the shooting starts,” a nod to former Miami police chief Walter Headley, who in December 1967 promised violent reprisals to protests over stop-and-frisk tactics.

It’s incredibly rare for the Pentagon to order something of this sort, the AP noted.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Human Habitat Index on May 30, 2020, 09:45:22 AM
Who burnt down the police station ?
Is there any vision ?
Was it protestors or agents provocateur ?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 30, 2020, 01:11:39 PM
Whatever the answers to those questions are, 99.9% of the protesters are not arsonists. Period. They have every right to be outraged.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 30, 2020, 02:45:42 PM
US Border Patrol Denounced as 'Rogue Agency' for Using Predator Drone to Spy on Minneapolis Protests

Link >> https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/29/us-border-patrol-denounced-rogue-agency-using-predator-drone-spy-minneapolis
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Human Habitat Index on May 30, 2020, 03:13:01 PM
Whatever the answers to those questions are, 99.9% of the protesters are not arsonists. Period. They have every right to be outraged.

Protests are warranted but may be hijacked to usher in military intervention in civil society.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 30, 2020, 03:53:06 PM
We have those "umbrella guy" videos. It is just way too obvious, this was an agent provocateur.

Until someone shows proof that this was a legit protester, logic would dictate to assume any criminal act could have been staged to escalate the situation.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on May 30, 2020, 04:21:32 PM
Brutal police violence in Baltimore yesterday. https://www.rt.com/usa/490221-baltimore-police-punch-woman-video/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on May 30, 2020, 04:25:35 PM
Here you can still see the video on youtube. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fjm_WL4oCBg
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 30, 2020, 07:41:49 PM
NYPD Officer Violently Shoves Woman To The Ground During Protest & She Later has Major Seizure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=397lM-6ytzU
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on May 31, 2020, 05:19:38 AM

Amy Klobuchar declined to prosecute officer at center of George Floyd's death after previous conduct complaints


Her VP hopes just went down the tubes. When Jim Clyburn starts making public comments about your prospects, it's time to pay attention.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/politics/amy-klobuchar-vice-president-criminal-justice-record/index.html

"We are all victims sometimes of timing and some of us benefit tremendously from timing," Clyburn said Friday. "This is very tough timing for Amy Klobuchar. ... The timing is tough."
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 08:47:51 AM

Far-Right Infiltrators and Agitators in George Floyd Protests: Indicators of White Supremacists


Link >> https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: peterlvmeng on May 31, 2020, 08:51:14 AM
I can't breathe
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 08:56:42 AM
Minnesota Officials Link Arrested Looters to White Supremacist Groups

Link >> https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesota-officials-link-arrested-looters-to-white-supremacist-groups/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 08:58:40 AM
Minneapolis Police Union President Allegedly Wore a “White Power Patch” and Made Racist Remarks

Link >> https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/05/minneapolis-police-union-president-kroll-george-floyd-racism/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 09:00:12 AM
Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War

Link >> https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/pkyb9b/far-right-extremists-are-hoping-to-turn-the-george-floyd-protests-into-a-new-civil-war
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on May 31, 2020, 09:19:39 AM
Protesters kicking a shop owner almost to death in Dallas last night. Most where far right protesters dressed as africans. https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/05/30/warning-graphic-dallas-protesters-beat-man-to-near-death-oustide-store/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 09:33:42 AM
Twitter thread >> https://twitter.com/Freeyourmindkid/status/1266645977227821063
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 09:45:48 AM
George Floyd protests: Video shows NYPD vehicles driving into crowd

Link >> https://globalnews.ca/news/7008288/nypd-protesters-george-floyd/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on May 31, 2020, 10:39:40 AM
Journalists Hit By Police in Minneapolis
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/05/george-floyd-protests-police-brutality-intensify-live-200530231110124.html

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZUdOxXWkAEMNz8?format=jpg&name=small)

Two members of a Reuters TV crew were shot with rubber bullets in Minneapolis shortly after a curfew as they were covering the protest.

"My security advisor and I were shot with rubber bullets tonight. He had PRESS labeled clearly and visibly on his bulletproof vest," one of the two reporters Julio-Cesar Chavez said in a tweet as he posted a photo of a previous moment when a police officer was aiming directly at him.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JulioCesrChavez/status/1266951014915149827

Chavez explained in a second tweet that he was shot in the arm and the back of his neck with rubber bullets, while his security adviser was shot in the face, but saved by the gas mask he was wearing.

No immediate comments were made as Reuters asked about the incident to Minneapolis Police Department. Spokesman John Elder who requested a copy of the video

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NYC Police Drive Into Protesters
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/george-floyd-protests-police-brutality-intensify-live-200530231110124.html

New York City Police Department cruisers drove into protesters who were standing against a barricade and began pelting the police car with objects. The two vehicles drove into the small crowd, knocking several to ground, video shared on Twitter showed.

https://twitter.com/pgarapon/status/1266885414016688134

The Associated Press news agency also reported on the incident
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Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 10:53:41 AM
Berlin, Mauerpark

(https://i.redd.it/pbyua4lj1y151.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 11:00:49 AM
(https://i.redd.it/tgg9j0f4hw151.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 11:58:42 AM
Quote
I've been working on a list, please feel free to share it:

firing something at innocent person on their porch:
https://streamable.com/u2jzoo

cop way too excited to fuck some people up:
https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151

cop shooting rubber bullet at guy for saying "fuck you":
https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151

cops breaking supplies for peaceful protestors:
https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151

nypd driving into protestors:
https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251 https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod

cops shoving an old dude to the ground:
https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151

police actively seeking out fights compilation:
https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251

cop driving at people aggressively on a campus:
https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251

cop shooting rubber bullets at people watching from apartment:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Mojarad/status/1266633046591078400?s=09

police shooting the press with rubber bullets:
https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151

police arresting a CNN reporter:
https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151

police doing a drive-by pepper spraying
https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609

photographer being pepper sprayed:
https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg

guy with hands in the air gets his mask ripped off and pepper sprayed:
https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251

lady who was coming home with groceries who got a rubber bullet to the head:
https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg
https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137

reporter blinded by rubber bullets:
https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266618525600399361?s=19

reporter describes getting tear gassed:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/1266911382613692422

couple getting yanked out of their car and tased for violating curfew:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1266919104574865410?s=19

young woman gets shoved to the ground by officer:
https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843?s=20

reporter sheltering in gas station is pepper sprayed:
https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317

reporter trying to get home gets window shot out: https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778

cops come at a guy for filming a police car burning:
https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229

photographer arrested:
https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE

Columbus police assaulting protestors:
https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610

congresswoman sprayed with pepper spray during protest:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-sprayed-columbus-protest/index.html

7 protesters fired on with rubber bullets:
https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151

cops pepper spraying a group of protestors without provocation https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251
young child allegedly pepper sprayed:
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-over-face-of-child-pepper-sprayed-in-seattle-protest

if you have anything you'd like to add please link it!

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/gtsso9/there_was_no_warning_whatsoever_police_shoot_tear/fsebyk0/
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Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 12:35:37 PM
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Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 01:10:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/5L3UJPq.jpg)

Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 05:08:56 PM
Minneapolis police shoot at, threaten to arrest DW reporter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN8ISwuiX68
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 05:38:24 PM
From the alt-right playbook: ALWAYS blame the victim!

NYC Mayor Bill De Blasio Blames Protesters After Police Vans Plow Through Crowd


Link >> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bill-de-blasio-nyc-police-cars-plow-protesters_n_5ed37f11c5b65a461cf6de7e
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: oren on May 31, 2020, 07:00:01 PM
Wili, are you okay?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on May 31, 2020, 09:19:56 PM
Don't mind the source for once.

How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

Link >> https://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-to-film-police-safely
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 01, 2020, 01:32:33 AM
This sort of thing happens in banana republics and dictatorships. ...

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George Floyd Protests: Reporters Targeted by Police and Crowds
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/31/george-floyd-protests-reporters-targeted-by-police-and-crowds

Journalists covering the protests and riots that have erupted in US cities after the killing of George Floyd have reported being shot at, teargassed and arrested, as well as being intimidated by crowds.

More than 50 incidents of violence and harassment against media workers were reported on social media and in news outlets on Friday and Saturday, according to a tally the Guardian collated. ...

... The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders ranked the US 48th in the world in its 2019 index, down three places as a result of growing abuse of journalists in the country. “Never before have US journalists been subjected to so many death threats or turned so often to private security firms for protection,” the report said.

The majority of the most recent incidents appeared to be perpetrated by police, but least two involved crowds. A crew from the conservative outlet Fox News was surrounded by protesters outside the White House early on Saturday morning and jeered at and pelted with objects until they were forced to clear the area. An angry crowd also stormed the headquarters of CNN in Atlanta on Friday.

Many of Saturday’s attacks were filmed by the reporters involved. In his footage, the VICENews correspondent Michael Anthony Adams could be heard shouting “press” repeatedly as an officer approached him with his gun raised.

“I’m press,” he says. “I don’t care,” the officer replies. He was pepper sprayed while lying on the ground shortly afterwards.


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Images of Police Using Violence Against Peaceful Protesters are Going Viral
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/31/21275994/police-violence-peaceful-protesters-images

Salt Lake City cops shove down an elderly man with a cane for the crime of standing along the street:
https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016

U.S. Congresswoman Joyce Beatty of Ohio, Columbus City Council President Shannon Hardin, and Franklin County Commissioner Kevin Boyce being pepper sprayed by Columbus Police during protest
https://mobile.twitter.com/TimWCBD/status/1266787064735043591

In New York, a police officer pulled down the mask of a peaceful protester, who had his hands up, and pepper-sprayed him in the face. The police in the video had intentionally covered their badge numbers.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Sifill_LDF/status/1266928343141752833

In Brooklyn, a video captured multiple officers converging on a protester and hitting the individual with a baton.
https://mobile.twitter.com/j0ncampbell/status/1266514356071735296

In Atlanta, the police dragged a young couple out of a car while using a Taser. Officers also flattened the tires and broke the windows of their vehicle. Multiple officers were involved in the incident.
https://www.cbs46.com/apd-use-taser-to-get-driver-out-of-car/video_60cd66da-2301-5fd7-ae1a-618efe1cac20.html

Minneapolis Police Department and National Guard open-fired paint canisters at people on their own property
https://mobile.twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225

In Denver, the police fired multiple tear gas canisters just minutes after the city’s 8 pm curfew passed.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BySajaHindi/status/1266914123671093248

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Video shows a large group of protesters parting and running as the semi-truck  barrels towards them a full speed.

The truck then comes to a stop after hitting a protester and protesters run towards it.

It is unclear what happens next and whether there were any injuries.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrettHoffland/status/1267227669701316608

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... there is another way ...

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A Sheriff Put Down His Baton to Listen to Protesters. They Chanted 'Walk With Us,' So He Did
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/31/us/flint-michigan-protest-police-trnd/index.html

A Michigan sheriff joined protesters in Flint Township on Saturday, putting down his weapon and saying, "I want to make this a parade, not a protest."

"The only reason we're here is to make sure that you got a voice -- that's it," Swanson said in video clips shown on Twitter.

"These cops love you -- that cop over there hugs people," he said, pointing to an officer.

He was speaking to the crowd protesting police brutality and the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

He smiled and high-fived people in the crowd, who responded by chanting, "walk with us!"

So, he did.

"Let's go, let's go," Swanson said as he and the cheering crowd proceeded. "Where do you want to walk? We'll walk all night."

... "This is the correct response from police #WalkWithUs," Gwen Campbell tweeted.

JJ Milliken, another Swanson supporter, said via Twitter: "#WalkWithUs is how we change a system that murdered #GeorgeFloyd. It requires mindfulness of our actions and beliefs. Chris Swanson exemplifies the deputies and officers I know and respect. Community-first mentality and lead by example. This is a mindful action. This is change."
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 01, 2020, 03:47:28 AM
All major roads into Minneapolis and St Paul have been shut for the night (20 minute notice) as authorities aim to quell the protests in the city over the last few days. The twin cities are also under curfew until Monday morning.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MnDOT/status/1267208871069790208

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Trump Reportedly Taken to 'Underground Bunker' During Friday Protest
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/may/31/george-floyd-protests-latest-news-riots-us-cities-donald-trump-police-brutality-live

As protests sparked by the death of George Floyd raged outside the White House on Friday night, Donald Trump was taken into a special secure bunker, the New York Times reported.

As protesters converged on the White House on Friday, the “Secret Service agents abruptly rushed the president to the underground bunker used in the past during terrorist attacks,” the Times reported.

Despite days of peaceful protests and violent clashes with police in some of America’s major cities, Trump has not addressed the nation and has repeatedly sent inflammatory messages over Twitter.

Late on Friday, Trump tweeted that protesters could have been attacked with “vicious dogs and ominous weapons” wielded by the US Secret Service and accused the DC mayor for supposedly not providing police to protect the White House.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xBWmkwaTQ0k

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Fires Burning In NYC
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/ncna1220126

There are multiple fires burning in Manhattan at this moment in the Union Square area and one in Midtown, city officials said.

At Union Square, in lower Manhattan a vehicle has been torched and there’s a large crowd. At W. 41st Street and Sixth Avenue, there are reports of multiple arrests and a fire that started there.

Götterdämmerung - Twilight of the Gods
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Bruce Steele on June 01, 2020, 04:41:37 AM
List of businesses burned , looted, and damaged in Minneapolis and Saint Paul. It is a long list.

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/a-list-of-the-buildings-damaged-looted-in-minneapolis-riots
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 01, 2020, 04:51:29 AM
Specialized Investigations Division detectives & SWAT officers moments ago arrested Wesley Somers, 25, on charges of felony arson, vandalism, & disorderly conduct for setting fire to Nashville's Historic Courthouse Saturday night.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MNPDNashville/status/1267264305961066500

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZY6Kw7XgAAsyFg?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 01, 2020, 04:56:56 AM
Thanks for the concern, oren. Neighbors and police are finding incediary devices behind and even in front of lots of businesses.

Just now I heard that folks right in my immediate neighborhood are finding the same hidden in bushes next to houses.

This is a very carefully planned military attack on a usually very quiet neighborhood, mostly white, but with plenty of East Africans, Native Americans, Latinx...Lots of teachers, artist, and professionals of all sorts along with of course people in the vast service industries.

It might not come tonight, but I suspect in the next very few nights there will be a vast and very well coordinated attack not just on businesses, but on neighborhoods full of houses with children, elderly, sick...

Many will die.

I hope I'm wrong, but these guys certainly are working very hard toward this end.

Two truck loads of white guys were spotted jumping out and trying to start a local library on fire. Luckily, they were stopped.

A bunch of men in military type fatigues but clearly not actually military, heavily armed, were seen moving into a nearby park.

So, yeah, I'm still alive, but lacking sleep. Only a couple hours last night. A bit of a nap this afternoon.

I do think that part of the strategy is psychological, to wear residents down with the fatigue of trying to be constantly alert...for days.

Alex wrote: "...Most where far right protesters dressed as africans..." So why are you calling them protesters when  they clearly were anything but. And why are you even looking at f'n Breitbart?

ETA: One of the neighborhood patrol members (who has to break curfew to patrol, so theoretically subject to $1000 fee and or some jail time) just told me that one of the bottles of propellants was found today right at the end of my block. So we are definitely being targeted right here. Unfortunately, I have too much foliage in my yard to adequately search through it all.

If I make it through the night, I'll have to spend a big chunk of tomorrow cutting down all my beautiful native and non-native plants that long ago i replaced my lawn with
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: oren on June 01, 2020, 05:19:10 AM
What a terrible situation. I hope it somehow gets resolved without further violence. It is sad to see how much the US is FUBAR.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 01, 2020, 05:24:54 AM
Thanks, oren. Just glad that my daughter is in the relatively stable Netherlands (though she keeps saying she's gonna get on the next plane home since there's so much going on now in here once sleepy little midwestern city! )
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 01, 2020, 05:25:33 AM
Minnesota Department of Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington confirmed evidence of white supremacist groups trying to incite violence; Many posted messages online that encouraged people to go loot in Minneapolis and cause mayhem.

“That situation can be expected to deteriorate further with these people,”  said Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, adding that violent protestors are being fed professional tactics in urban warfare by outside groups.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/05/30/mayor-says-he-was-incorrect-in-saying-every-person-arrested-in-minneapolis-protests-was-from-out-of-state/amp/

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Mayor Bill de Blasio emphasized late Saturday that he had spoken with community leaders and there is a possibility that there are protesters who are intentionally trying to incite violence including those who have come to New York City from other places.

"People who represent the communities of our city and the residents of our city are not joining negative and violent protests," de Blasio said.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/31/us/nypd-truck-george-floyd-protest/index.html

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DHS (2009): “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,”
https://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

... (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

...

(U) Exploiting Economic Downturn
(U//FOUO) Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the economy, the perceived loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, and home foreclosures. Anti-Semitic extremists attribute these losses to a deliberate conspiracy conducted by a cabal of Jewish “financial elites.” These “accusatory” tactics are employed to draw new recruits into rightwing extremist groups and further radicalize those already subscribing to extremist beliefs. DHS/I&A assesses this trend is likely to accelerate if the economy is perceived to worsen.

...

(U) Disgruntled Military Veterans
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-military-violence-idUSBRE92E00220130315

https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-predicting-violent-crime-by-army-soldiers-20151006-story.html

https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-articles/sovereign-citizens-a-growing-domestic-threat-to-law-enforcement

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When Civilian Protest Is Labeled ‘Urban Warfare’
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/05/when-protest-labeled-urban-combat/165787/

When state officials say they face "a sophisticated network of urban warfare,” they're looking through the lens of a militarized police force.

This is what escalation looks like. “The situation on the ground in Minneapolis & St. Paul has shifted & the response tonight will be different as a result,” the Minnesota Department of Public Safety tweeted as businesses boarded up their windows and the Saturday sun sank low over the Twin Cities. The National Guard and law-enforcement presence would “triple in size,” the state agency warned, “to address a sophisticated network of urban warfare.”

“Urban warfare” is a striking choice of words for a state agency, and one that cable-news anchors seized on and repeated in the fiery hours that followed. ... The current protests are about not one black man’s death, but thousands of them, and centuries of discrimination, dehumanization, and denial of basic civil rights.

The police and the U.S. military are separate institutions because policing a community and fighting a war are supposed to be separate jobs. In traditional “wars,” both sides are heavily armed. In Minnesota, only the agents of the state appear to be wearing body armor and carrying long guns. And yet: State officials are calling this “warfare” on official public channels.

“War” is not how public officials have referred to the protests by pro-Confederate and white-nationalist groups in recent years; those gatherings have not generally been dispersed by tear gas and rubber bullets. Nor were the armed “Liberate” protesters who swarmed the Michigan statehouse earlier this month removed by force; instead, the legislature canceled its session. But perhaps it was inevitable that officials would turn to military language as demonstrations spread across the country this week. In cities large and small, police departments are now outfitted like military units. When you’re driving an armored vehicle down Main Street, civilians can begin to look like insurgents.

... The state of Minnesota’s “urban warfare” rhetoric is the inevitable consequence of this decades-long militarization of American police departments, Arthur Rizer, a policing expert at the center-right R Street Institute, told me late Saturday.

“You create this world where you’re not just militarizing the police—you equip the police like soldiers, you train the police like soldiers. Why are you surprised when they act like soldiers?” Rizer, a former police officer and soldier, said. “The mission of the police is to protect and serve. But the premise of the soldier is to engage the enemy in close combat and destroy them. When you blur those lines together with statements like that … It’s an absolute breakdown of civil society.”

Also, Police agencies that use military equipment kill civilians at much higher rates than agencies that don’t, according to a 2017 study.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317581659_Militarization_and_police_violence_The_case_of_the_1033_program

Yesterday, as police pepper-sprayed a congresswoman, drove into a crowd, and fired rubber bullets and tear gas at protesters and journalists alike, it was clear that some police officers were approaching these situations like soldiers, and treating citizens as enemies.

That’s not the only option for how police can respond to moments like this one. On Saturday afternoon, police officers in Camden, New Jersey—not dressed like soldiers—joined protesters in their march for justice.

https://twitter.com/Emma_Stith/status/1266855821381718018
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 01, 2020, 06:00:14 AM
Fires Erupt Near White House
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-braces-for-third-day-of-protests-and-clashes-over-death-of-george-floyd/2020/05/31/589471a4-a33b-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html?outputType=amp

Protesters started fires near the White House as tensions with police mounted. Police fired a major barrage of tear gas stun grenades into the crowd of more than 1,000 people, largely clearing Lafayette Park across the street from the White House and scattering protesters into the street.

Protesters piled up road signs and plastic barriers and lit a raging fire in the middle of H Street. Some pulled an American flag from a nearby building and threw it into the blaze. Others added branches pulled from trees. A cinder block structure, on the north side of the park, that had bathrooms and a maintenance office, was engulfed in flames.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZZF6yzXQAQwd4t.jpg)

Washington Monument Surrounded By Smoke From Multiple Fires
Smoke from multiple fires rising up in front of the Washington Monument #Chopper4 looking south from Maryland, White House center screen.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Chopper4Brad/status/1267285662480371712
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Human Habitat Index on June 01, 2020, 06:48:46 AM
Who burnt down the police station in Minneapolis ?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 01, 2020, 07:21:19 AM
15 large military like vehicles just rolled by my front door. I have to assume they are the actual National Guard, and not the 'bad guys'

vox, imo, your source regarding urban warfare is confused. It is true that the actual protesters should not be seen that way, but there are groups of white suppremacists who are planting bottles of flammable liquids all over my neighborhood, including on my block. I have little doubt that some are on my property, but I didn't hear about this till it was turning dark, and my entire yard is covered with knee-to-waste-high foliage.

These folks are carefully trying to set up a situation where they can create a great deal of damage to residential areas in a way that can't be controled by anyone. Heavily armed groups of them have been spotted, large caches of amo, arms and explosives have been found, but we have to assume there are lots more that have not yet been found.

My city is being terrorized, which is also part of the urban war strategy of these folks.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 01, 2020, 10:02:05 AM
Glad you are fine, Wili. Try to keep it like that.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 01, 2020, 10:05:23 AM
A little bit of snark coming from China here. But hey, at least they don't have to make shit up in order to have propaganda material.

US should stand with Minnesota violent protesters as it did with HK rioters

Link >> https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1189945.shtml
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on June 01, 2020, 10:07:31 AM
wili, what a dangerous situation.

Do you have close contact with neighbours and/or other people from your neighbourhood? Is there some local support network?
I image that the elderly and other vulnerable people will be fearful and full of anxiety right now. Can you still do shopping?

About your yard. You could place a broom or other long stick on the ground and attack something heavy to both ends. Then attach a rope at both sides and draw it over the length of your yard so the plants bend down and offer the opportunity to see if something's hidden. If the object is a large as a 1L bottle, you will probably find it. But I understand that you really want to be certain and this method is perhaps not certain enough.
You can also spray your yard with a lot of water so everything is wet. Don't know if that's feasible because of possible high daytime temperatures that'll dry it quickly.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 01, 2020, 12:04:55 PM
I would encourage people to view these events through a Darwinistic lens and see that racism is simply a symptom of more fundamental survival forces at work when broader systems break down.

For an historic parallel, I would refer to the situation of post WW I Germany in the wake of the treaty of Versailles. Without passing judgement on the responsibility of what put the German nation in that particular situation, we see in hindsight that the French were insistent on reparations demands that were incompatible with a sustainable German nation. Powerless, the Germans had to accept and were soon thereafter in a situation where there was widespread starvation and despair.

In the absence of any leverage to force the people at the controls to help them, people subconsciously and organically arrive at the conclusion that they must undermine the system which
oppresses them in order to survive. They are in a Darwinistic frame of kill or be killed and nothing trumps survival.

Like a young lion cub that must grow up to kill wildebeests and water buffalo in order to survive, the ultimate target is an unrealistic goal in the early stages of development but the young lion must learn how to kill in incremental degrees of difficulty in order to graduate. So the cub begins with slower and weaker prey. When a young lion kills a lizard, we recognize it as a necessary evolution process.

In the case of the Germans, the history of how they progressed through incremental stages of killing difficulty is well established and need not be rehashed here. But ultimately it can be argued that they were successful in killing the paradigm that they began with. However horrifying the process, it can easily be argued that the survivors in the German nation was in better position in 1955 than in 1925. Nature abhors a vacuum and the Nazis filled it.

The situation in America today is not quite so advanced in terms of the level of economic suffering seen in Germany a century ago, but the situation is certainly moving in that direction. What is common is the sense of powerlessness of the average American system which is well described on many threads in this forum. The US political system is deeply intertwined with the interests of a wealthy minority and has fortified the system against intelligent self-regulation. The politicains, courts, electoral processes, and media institutions have all been co-opted.

The average citizen probably does not grasp this and even if they do, they are essentially powerless to stop it. What they certainly do understand is the increasing survival pressure and declining visibility to a secure future. They are in an earlier but equivalent phase of what the Germans were sensing in the 1920's. The herd is understanding that the system itself must be killed. Like the young lion, the ability to kill must be cultivated and it must start with those that post no threat. These processes start with the weak and progress incrementally.

As one of those Americans who is acutely aware of my lack of political power, I've been expecting the system to lead us in this direction. In the absence of ability to address the big flaws in the system, we start small and kill the things which are accessible to us.... each other.

We have two routes to go. The elegant path of progressive legislation or the violent path of burning the system down. Someone like Trump offers the malignant narcissism necessary to lead the violent path if the elegant route doesn't emerge. Nature abhors a vacuum and the gene pool has produced enough people with the appropriate personality attributes. There will be another Trump waiting in the wings.

As a person of Jewish descent, i had to grapple with the experience of my ancestors in the Holocaust and arrive at a viewpoint which allows me to maintain compassion for the experience of the starving German citizen of the 1920's. I think there may have been some attributes of ethnic supremacy which were prevalent in the cultural mythology. Those attributes were probably determinative of which groups got the short end of the stick in the Holocaust. But a lot of christians died in that war too.

I don't excuse racism and think these examples of police murders should be prosecuted and punished to the maximum extent possible. But I still have compassion for the economic and survival pressure that the white supremacist asshole is facing and want to take the boot off his / her neck so that they do not have the motivation to go looking for victims.

Racism is a symptom of the underlying system dynamics. If everyone in America was white, the herd would organize itself according to some other hierarchy in order to play out the same dynamic we are seeing now. The herd is simply organizing itself into sub-herds.

Of course, the corporate media is doing all it can to promote the black vs.white paradigm because they are agents of the ruling class. They do all they can to keep the focus off of the underlying class war which is the root cause of this. It is only after the rich people become afraid for their personal survival that editorials like this will begin to appear in the mainstream press.

The current version of America is unsustainable and breaking. We don't know what the next version is going to look like. I am pushing hard here to educate people about the virtues of the elegant path with a Green New Deal as a centerpiece. We'll see what happens.




Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: bluice on June 01, 2020, 01:15:38 PM
Sounds awful! Hope you'll stay safe wili and I wish there was something we could do to help.

Seeing the video I understand many people are upset and demand justice. However it looks like the police (and whoever has their back) has done their utmost to turn legitimate political demonstrations into violent riots and unfortunately it seems they have largely succeeded. It's helpful for them when the talk is about restoring order instead of police brutality.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 01, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
It is my observation that nearly all the violence is flowing from the cops and some outside racist agitators toward the community...businesses and public buildings first, and now outsiders threatening neighborhoods directly.

Made it through the night. even got 3+hours of sleep! :) :/

Report of a car with four white guys in it tooling around and around a few blocks from here. Later abandon and the occupants ran into the woods near the river.

Gotta go make lunches for all the hungry people, many who can't easily get food in the best of times. And now all restaurants and nearly all food stores in the area are closed.

Then I'll spend whatever energy is left whacking down all my beautiful flowers and bushes that completely cover my property, so there are fewer places for the assholes to hide propellants

 >:(

Phoenix...yes, the rage is born of many things from various sides. Can't dig up the study now, but a  couple years ago it came out that middle to lower class whites were the only demographic in the US (and I think Canada, too) whose mortality and morbidity rates were getting steadily worse. The causes were primarily suicide and what I would call suicide by other means...drugs, alcohol, 'accidents'... I can think of no more raw measure of the despair of a group for whatever cause, than those stats.

Pretty inevitable that some of that despair would express itself as outward violence, at some point, perhaps
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 01, 2020, 01:46:34 PM
Nanning. Thanks for your concern. Yes, I've been helping out elderly neighbors, and things have gotten quite organized on a number of local levels

Did wet down everything night before last, including my own house, roof and foliage/trees as well as those of three neighbors on both sides (some out of town, one and empty building).

To exhausted to do it all again last night.

Foliage will mostly grow back, probably, eventually
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 01, 2020, 02:40:24 PM
^ The arsonists they arrested in Nashville doesn look too 'African'.

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3103.msg266625.html#msg266625

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 What news coverage does — and doesn’t — show about unrest in Minneapolis and Louisville.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/first-person/2020/5/29/21274891/george-floyd-cop-arrested-minneapolis-breonna-taylor

... Sometimes buried at the end of post-protest reports by local authorities is the fact that police munitions often start fires at protests, but this is seldom reported by the press, and there have been surprisingly few protesters arrested for arson relative to the fires that erupted during the unrest. Which is more likely to set row houses ablaze, three teenagers in face masks with “No Justice, No Peace” signs or two smoldering tear gas shells sitting on a pile of dry leaves and newspaper for two hours?

This is not to suggest that some protesters don’t cause violence or property damage, but observers, let alone journalists, should be making distinctions between the various actors that are actually on the scene during civil unrest. You have the aforementioned police who are armed. Then you have chaos agents and anarchists who infiltrate peaceful protests with their own agenda. This isn’t conspiracy theory; in Minneapolis alone, videos have emerged of strangely dressed people just engaging in wanton property destruction. No one knows who they are, but it seems unlikely that they are protesters.

Then you have your run-of-the-mill opportunistic criminals.

And, of course, none of these actors should be confused with the hundreds of men and women peacefully protesting who are usually subjected to violent reprisals by police. Which is why “they’re burning their own community” narratives are so misleading and dangerous. It’s irresponsible to not distinguish which “they” is being talked about.

Which brings us to perhaps the most important thing to understand about how to watch protests: the context of what kind of protest garners police response. Over the past three months, the 24-hour cable networks have extensively covered mostly white armed men and women threatening police and politicians at state capitols across the nation over coronavirus lockdown policies.

How often have you seen police in riot gear? In fact, police seldom use force or even present in force (protest shields, black helmets, etc.) when conservative or right-wing groups protest. When is the last time you saw a group of anti-abortion activists get tear-gassed? Yet with left-leaning groups, and especially groups of minorities, their protests are often met with shows of force. Right-wing groups spit in the faces of police in regular gear in Michigan, while SWAT teams show up like Storm Troopers for chanting teens in Minneapolis.

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Tear Gas Started Pharmacy Fire, Report Says
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2001-05-30-0105300347-story.html

Fire Report Shows Tear Gas the Cause of House Fire
https://www.khq.com/news/fire-report-shows-tear-gas-the-cause-of-house-fire/article_327f622f-57aa-5055-9302-17183b49c8e2.html
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: solartim27 on June 01, 2020, 04:10:10 PM
Phoenix...yes, the rage is born of many things from various sides. Can't dig up the study now, but a  couple years ago it came out that middle to lower class whites were the only demographic in the US (and I think Canada, too) whose mortality and morbidity rates were getting steadily worse. The causes were primarily suicide and what I would call suicide by other means...drugs, alcohol, 'accidents'... I can think of no more raw measure of the despair of a group for whatever cause, than those stats.

Pretty inevitable that some of that despair would express itself as outward violence, at some point, perhaps
There was some newspaper articles earlier this year about a new book titled "Deaths of Despair"  It was pretty grim.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/03/23/why-americans-are-dying-from-despair
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 01, 2020, 05:19:20 PM
It's interesting to see the role black voters play in the perpetuation of the entire paradigm.

You have a guy like Bernie Sanders come along to run for POTUS and IMO, he's got the policy prescriptions which reverse the half century trend of wealth concentration and ease the pressure on all working class Americans, including the working class white guy who is most likely to put his knee on their neck.

Bernie wins the first three states in the primary and you arrive in South Carolina where the black vote is overwhelmingly important. Then the prominent black politician Jim Clyburn tells the black community to vote for Biden and they do. Then you have black icon Barack Obama working behind the scenes to engineer the other candidates dropping out (or staying in with the case of Liz Warren) and the mainstream media working 24/7 to cultivate fear of a Sanders nomination.

Then you step back and realize the bigger picture is not white vs. black, it's the powerful vs. the oppressed. The system has granted power fiefs to black politicians like Clyburn and Obama in return for their commitment to work on behalf of the system which oppresses all working class American's, including my black brothers and sisters. They are sellouts who betray the interests of their own race for personal gain.








Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 01, 2020, 05:30:10 PM
it's the powerful vs. the oppressed.

I agree but, the quality and quantity of oppression is merely defined by skin color. Oftentimes in fascism vs. rule of law kind of level of difference.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 01, 2020, 05:44:42 PM
"Moment of Reckoning": Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, Cornel West & Bakari Sellers on Nationwide Uprising

Link >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_B6nwBmM54
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 01, 2020, 06:30:15 PM
it's the powerful vs. the oppressed.

I agree but, the quality and quantity of oppression is merely defined by skin color. Oftentimes in fascism vs. rule of law kind of level of difference.

This is a nuanced discussion. I agree that there is a high degree of correlation of oppression to a color gradient. But the extermination of six million Jews in the Holocaust is a reminder that color is completely unnecessary for oppressive forces to find the hierarchy they seek.

I am resisting the impulse to put black people on the pedestal as poster children for oppression. It reinforces the idea that I (as a caucasian person) am separate from them. I do not feel separate from them. When I see the murder of my black brothers, i feel that this is a member of my human family and I understand that my fate is intertwined with the fate of this person. I understand that if this person is not safe, I am also not safe.

I am not black and I will never be able to walk in the shoes of a black person and experience the unique qualities of oppression that they face strictly based upon skin color. But I understand that in order to navigate our way out of the mess humanity finds itself in, we must resist the forces that seek to separate us into identity silos.

When one of us is oppressed, we are all oppressed.



Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 01, 2020, 06:50:19 PM
But the extermination of six million Jews in the Holocaust is a reminder that color is completely unnecessary for oppressive forces to find the hierarchy they seek.

Nope, it's the exact same thing: The belief in the existence of 'race'.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 01, 2020, 07:20:48 PM
Tweet by @existentialcoms:

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If I woke up tomorrow and my boss
told me that today at my job I had to
shoot rubber bullets and throw tear
gas at people protesting racism
because one of my coworkers killed
someone in cold blood, I would
simply quit that job and do
something useful like stock grocery
shelves.

(https://i.redd.it/8r2361twma251.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 01, 2020, 07:33:50 PM
But the extermination of six million Jews in the Holocaust is a reminder that color is completely unnecessary for oppressive forces to find the hierarchy they seek.

Nope, it's the exact same thing: The belief in the existence of 'race'.

I don't understand the use of the word "Nope", here. We are pretty much in agreement.

I think the larger point I'm making is that the larger social disease is forcing us into a situation where many individuals are encountering resource scarcity and the herd members are receiving the stimulus that the herd may have to organize for a potential shrinking. This is activating things which are hard wired into the limbic brain for the benefit of species survival.

Race and religion are simply arbitrary constructs that humans have come up with to differentiate the herd into sub groups in order to create the organizational hierarchy necessary to manage larger populations. The need for organizational hierarchy arose from evolutionary forces. Nature abhors a vacuum.

The constructs we use for societal decision making and resource allocation are in need of some major tweaks. We don't have any established societal mechanisms for orderly shrinkage and our resource consumption is currently far beyond sustainable. In the absence of anything civilized coming from the frontal cortex, the limbic process will play out.

 
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on June 01, 2020, 08:01:41 PM
The official repport says he did not die from suffocation. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8371557/George-Floyds-autopsy-claims-died-underlying-heart-conditions-not-strangulation.html
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 01, 2020, 08:24:20 PM
The official repport says he did not die from suffocation. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8371557/George-Floyds-autopsy-claims-died-underlying-heart-conditions-not-strangulation.html

So long as we all understand that it was related to stresses related to his difficulty breathing because of the cop, that's all that matters. It's a homicide either way.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 01, 2020, 08:28:28 PM
We are pretty much in agreement.


I think so too. Sorry, my bad. :)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: kassy on June 01, 2020, 08:32:16 PM
Chris Hedges talks to Jimmy Dore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjSxXpoWoTI

Lot´s of interesting things in there.

2.3 million ´slaves´ (around 11m00).
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on June 01, 2020, 09:32:13 PM
The official repport says he did not die from suffocation. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8371557/George-Floyds-autopsy-claims-died-underlying-heart-conditions-not-strangulation.html

So long as we all understand that it was related to stresses related to his difficulty breathing because of the cop, that's all that matters. It's a homicide either way.

I think the protesters want him to be suffocated. So they have a reason to burn and loot.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 01, 2020, 09:53:25 PM
It's a homicide either way.

I think the protesters want him to be suffocated. So they have a reason to burn and loot.

Well Alexander, what do you think is the appropriate response from a group that routinely sees its members murdered and the perpetrators go unpunished?

How should I respond ? Just roll over and die?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on June 01, 2020, 10:19:46 PM
Maybe these protestors should asked themselfs what they want. Because if he just used that fake 20 usd note. Than maybe he just had bad luck, maybe he lost his job because of corona. But if you go sit on the roof of somebodies car . Than it becomes hard not to think that he's not looking for troubles. And what do you do if you meet somebody that's looking for troubles, you will always get some kind of strong reaction. But i think most of these protestors don't care much about it. Basically they are the losers of that globalisation. I think they shit on everything. Some are lucky that they get payed by these trillions of printed money. But they are probably not the majority of these protesters.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 01, 2020, 11:53:23 PM
Dear Alex, I'll just point out kindly that you need to learn the difference in English between 'than' and 'then.' Everything else in your post was far more ignorant that that, but I'll just leave it there for now

ETA, ok I'll also point out that, as far as "Wili, your observations are strange,"

Wellll, my 'observations' are from the vantage point of living in the fucking neighborhood that is getting burnt to the ground. I get my observations from seeing it myself, from talking to friends, from seeing videos taken by friends...what are your 'observations' based on??? MSM??? Do you really think that is a highly reliable source of pretty much anything??? Were you born yesterday/


I don't consider looting to be particularly 'violent,' so I wasn't including that. But certainly, I don't think many of the main protesters, that were and are out risking their lives by facing, unarmed, riot police shooting bullets and canisters of poison gas at them, and percussion bombs...I really don't think that lots of those brave and virtuous souls where spending a lot of time getting free knickknacks from Target.

Back to general discussion--after spending all morning preparing chili and bags of groceries to hand out to people in need, then checking my house perimeter for hidden incendiaries, since new ones had been found this morning...my wife and I stole a sliver of semi-normalcy, since some restaurants and bars had opened for outside dining...we went to a brewery that had excellent brew and knots of baked dough with an excellent marinara sauce. We could almost pretend that we weren't likely to get incinerated in our sleep tonight in the midst of a deadly pandemic...:)

Thanks, nan. I actually would prefer suffocating to incinerating, but...may not have a choice. Emotions have been hard to deal with, but yeah, I try to keep some sense of humor, even in these extreme times. My Somali  and other African American neighbors are, of course, terrorized to a much greater degree than I am or could ever imagine.

Prospect of imminent death does make one appreciate each day, though.

And thanks all for the many informative and well informed posts. We will shortly be under total military control, it seems. I have not held out much hope for democracy in this country, but that will really put the last nail in that coffin.

ETA: Oh, and they just announced that an independent coroner determined that George Floyd died of 'mechanical asphyxiation,' basically a fancy name for being strangled to death, but I'm sure someone will try to split some kind of meaningless hairs here.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Bruce Steele on June 02, 2020, 12:27:39 AM
It is obvious that there are groups of people starting fires and inciting violence. I suppose both right wing as well as left wing provocateurs. I don’t know how to tell the difference . I think it depends on which city we are talking about as to the makeup of the violent protestors.
For what it’s worth there are very few shootings being reported for riots spread all across the country.
During the 1992 LA riots , for example , there were people shooting at both police and firefighters attempting to controls the fires... and police shooting back.

If there are false flag arson attacks it is beyond the capacity of MSM to imagine the possibility that right wing thugs are impersonating Antifa . That the current government may be complicit in painting Antifa as a terror suspects so they can crank up the internal spying infrastructure and therefore might have a motive is conspiracy theory territory. But it is within the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 02, 2020, 12:38:16 AM
Collateral Damage: One Dead In Louisville After Police and National Guard 'Return Fire' On Crowd
https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/5308229002

A man was shot dead in Louisville after police officers and the Kentucky National Guard “returned fire” while clearing a large crowd early Monday.

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/06/01/PLOU/65292b82-0961-46b7-b82d-580d47e657d6-ManKilled14_Sam.jpg?width=500)
Shell casings from Police and NG weapons fire

Louisville Metro Police Chief Steve Conrad said in a statement that at around 12:15 a.m. his officers and the national guard were sent to a parking lot to break up a crowd.

“Officers and soldiers began to clear the lot and at some point were shot at,” Conrad said in a statement. “Both LMPD and national guard members returned fire, we have one man dead at scene”

David McAtee, who turned his talent for food into a popular West End eatery, was shot and killed by law enforcement officers early Monday morning.

McAtee, 53, operated a barbecue business at one of the West End's most popular corners, especially on the weekends.


McAtee's barbecue business is next to the Dino's Food Mart parking lot where the shooting took place around 12:15 a.m. Monday.

“I’ve been doing this for about 30 years, but I’ve been here for two," he told West of Ninth, a photo blog by Walt and Marshae Smith, in a February interview. "This location is the one of the busiest locations in west Louisville. I always wanted to be in this spot, and when the opportunity came, I took it."

McAtee said he hoped to one day buy the lot at 26th and Broadway, and build a brick-and-mortar restaurant.

"I gotta start somewhere, and this is where I’m going to start," he said in February. "It might take another year or two to get to where I’m going, but I’m going to get there."

Those who spoke with The Courier Journal said they knew the chef as someone who would cook at several community events across the area's nine neighborhoods.

"He was one of the ones who would donate all his time and all his food; everybody could just come up and take it and he wouldn't charge because it was for the neighborhood."
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 02, 2020, 12:56:29 AM
Yes, bruce, in a situation made up of tens of thousands of people or more, there are going to be many varieties of folks.

But let's not resort to false equivalences.

There are orders of magnitude more folks on the extreme right ready to take things to violent levels (encouraged, for pete's sake, by the president himself) than there are on 'the left' to the extent that such a thing even exists in the US in a form recognizable to the rest of the world.

Seeing them cruising by my house long after curfew, people very unlike any that live anywhere near my neighborhood, I definitely would say all the folks I see planning and enacting violence in the neighborhood are white supremacists or some variety thereof...

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“Like it’s been reported, I feel like it’s a lot of outsiders coming in,” said Dan Prentice.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/01/several-north-mpls-businesses-destroyed-by-fire-overnight-arson-suspected/

He's not alone. No one recognizes these mother fuckers as being from Minneapolis. (Sorry, again, nanning, but really, what emotions would you be feeling if this were happening right this moment and for the last few days to you and your loved ones and neighbors and beloved places...?)

Some where mullets. I've lived in Mpls for 20 years (and another 10 when I was younger), and never saw anyone sporting a mullet.

White leftists do not come in from out of town to burn down black businesses in black neighborhoods unless their 'leftishness' is so twisted as to be unrecognizable as such.

This is the terror we all live under now every day. Some asshat is gonna throw a bomb on our house or a local business and literally we will be burned to death in our beds.

Few in Mpls have gotten more than a few hours of sleep in the last 36 hours or more. I'm gonna try to steal some winks now.

...

And may I point out that, since there really is no organization 'Antifa'--literally after all just an abbreviation of 'anti-fascists'--making them illegal is literally say making it against the law to be against fascism.

Let that sink in for a while...
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 02, 2020, 01:39:52 AM
Sad day to be an American ...

Trump Threatens Military Deployment to Protests
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jun/01/george-floyd-protests-donald-trump-white-house-washington-police-brutality-minneapolis-latest-news-updates

The president has threatened to send in military if governors don’t act. He said he also encouraged governors to bring in the National Guard, which many states have already done.

... I have strongly recommended to every governor to deploy the National Guard in sufficient numbers that we dominate the streets. Mayors and governors must establish an overwhelming law enforcement presence until the violence has been quelled. If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them.

In a startling scene, police are using teargas to disperse crowds of protesters near the White House while Trump is speaking in the Rose Garden.
https://mobile.twitter.com/michael_galant/status/1267587680956813312

It appears that police teargassed protesters at a Washington DC church, before the city’s curfew went into effect, in an effort to clear the area for the president’s photo op tied to his threat to deploy the military on his own citizens.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EliStokols/status/1267592939527712773

Protesters were moved away from the St. John’s church where President Trump is now standing, holding up a bible. On the yellow walls of the church, protesters have spray painted “No justice, no peace” and “God is watching.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/Marissa_Jae/status/1267595257467883520

David Rothkopf: "Trump is mobilizing the military against the citizens of the United States.

That's it. That's where we are. Weep for your country. Despair for its future. Revile these dangerous, corrupt and hateful leaders.

The president is orchestrating police brutality against peaceful protestors as the opening act to his Rose Garden remarks. This is calculated and as cynical and ugly as anything we have ever seen from an American leader."

https://mobile.twitter.com/djrothkopf/status/1267590041834082305

Trump’s extraordinary remarks have sparked widespread concern, with some noting that he is threatening to deploy the US military against citizens of this country. His speech took place as police were simultaneously teargassing protesters outside the White House. In his remarks, Trump also said the 7pm curfew in DC would be “strictly enforced”. The teargassing began prior.

“Open your eyes, America. Open your eyes! We are teetering on a dictatorship.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1267594123411890177

... and from the republicans ...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZdio-nU4AEtyjE?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: SteveMDFP on June 02, 2020, 02:08:40 AM
Yes, bruce, in a situation made up of tens of thousands of people or more, there are going to be many varieties of folks.

But let's not resort to false equivalences.

There are orders of magnitude more folks on the extreme right ready to take things to violent levels (encouraged, for pete's sake, by the president himself) than there are on 'the left' to the extent that such a thing even exists in the US in a form recognizable to the rest of the world. ...

i'm inclined to agree.  One of the more egregious accounts i've read of lawlessness:
(https://www.peoriapublicradio.org/sites/wcbu/files/styles/medium/public/202006/84654787_2546894698770279_6942237849940918272_n.jpg)
Galesburg Man Charged With Inciting Riots in Chicago, Minneapolis
https://www.peoriapublicradio.org/post/galesburg-man-charged-inciting-riots-chicago-minneapolis (https://www.peoriapublicradio.org/post/galesburg-man-charged-inciting-riots-chicago-minneapolis)

"[Robert Lee] Rupert posted Facebook videos which allegedly showed him handing out explosives in Minneapolis, encouraging people to throw them at police, lighting a building on fire, and looting and damaging property.

Rupert then headed to Chicago on May 30. In videos posted to social media, Rupert reportedly said “let’s start a riot” and “I’m going to start doing some damage.”"
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 02, 2020, 02:22:44 AM
22:30 GMT - (6: 30 PM Local) Police use flash bangs against peaceful protesters outside the White House
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/george-floyd-america-pain-weekend-rallies-grip-live-200601132229392.html

Police appeared to fire a series of flash bangs, as well as tear gas to disperse peaceful protesters outside the White House. The curfew in Washington, DC, has not yet gone into effect.

Video: https://mobile.twitter.com/benyc/status/1267592904081629185

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Earlier on Monday, Trump told governors he wanted them to "dominate" protesters, urging the use of more aggressive tactics.

17:20 GMT - US to send federal assets to help quell protests

The White House on Monday said additional federal assets will soon be deployed to respond to protests across the country over the death of a black man, George Floyd, while in police custody.

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Trump, GOP Allies Reach For Military Response To Domestic Protests
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/06/trump-and-allies-reach-military-response-domestic-protests/165819/

In startling language, Defense Secretary Mark Esper referred to American streets as “the battlespace.”

As police began firing tear gas on protesters gathering outside the White House on Monday evening, President Donald Trump said he had ordered “thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers, military personnel, and law enforcement officers” to quell civil unrest in Washington, D.C., and threatened to deploy troops in states that “refuse” to do so in their own cities.

“I am your president of law and order and an ally of all peaceful protesters,” Trump said during brief remarks in the Rose Garden. “I have strongly recommended to every governor to deploy the National Guard in sufficient numbers that we dominate the streets.

“If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them.”

The president does not have the legal authority to deploy active duty troops to conduct law enforcement without invoking the 1807 Insurrection Act — which he did not do on Monday — and state governors quickly fired back on the announcement.

“I reject the notion that the federal government can send troops into the state of Illinois,” Illinois Gov. Jay Pritzker, a Democrat, said on CNN. “His rhetoric is inflaming passions around the nation. He should be calling for calm. He should be calling for bringing the temperature down. He’s doing the exact opposite.”

“A posture of a force on the ground is unsustainable militarily, it’s unsustainable socially because it’s the antithesis of how we live,” Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz told reporters after the call with Trump.

Trump has ordered an active-duty battalion of military police officers from Fort Bragg, N.C., to Washington, D.C., “in standby capacity,” according to reporting from Military Times and others.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/06/01/pentagon-orders-active-duty-military-police-unit-dc-region-amid-protests.html

Trump endorsed a call from Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., to deploy the 101st Airborne and other famed military units to “face off” with Antifa, a far-left anarchist movement that the president has sought to blame for the violent unrest, tweeting “100% correct!” Cotton called for the group to be given “no quarter” — a military term that means that captured members of a foreign force will be killed. Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., suggested that U.S. forces should “hunt [Antifa] down like we do [terrorists] in the Middle East.” Defense Secretary Mark Esper called for authorities to “dominate the battlespace,” a reference to U.S. streets where the protests and riots are taking place.

“I think the sooner that you mass and dominate the battlespace, the quicker this dissipates and we can get back to the right normal,” Esper said during a White House call with state governors that preceded Trump’s Rose Garden appearance.

And in a vague proclamation during the White House call, Trump said that he had put Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley “in charge” of managing the racial unrest sweeping the country. At a briefing later in the day, Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany declined to offer any details about Milley’s role or explain why a military official would be placed in charge of a domestic law enforcement issue. Pentagon officials have not commented or offered further explanation of Milley’s potential role.
....

“The ‘battle space’ of America???” tweeted Tony Thomas, who commanded U.S. Special Operations Command during the Trump administration before retiring as a four-star. “Not what America needs to hear…ever, unless we are invaded by an adversary or experience a constitutional failure…ie a Civil War…”
https://mobile.twitter.com/wesleysmorgan/status/1267564864056233985?s=20

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Some Democratic lawmakers have called for new restrictions on a program that provides surplus military equipment to local police departments. Obama put a halt to the so-called 1033 program in 2015 after images of heavily armed police responding to protests in Ferguson, Mo., shocked the nation; Trump reversed the ban upon taking office in 2017.

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'Domestic Terrorist Actors’ Could Exploit Floyd Protests, DHS Memo Warns
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/01/dhs-domestic-terrorists-protest-294342

Anarchist and militia extremists could try to exploit the recent nationwide protests spurred by the death of George Floyd, the Department of Homeland Security warned in an intelligence note sent to law enforcement officials around the country.

The memo, dated May 29 and marked unclassified/law enforcement sensitive, cites “previous incidents of domestic terrorists exploiting First Amendment-protected events” as one reason for DHS’ concern of additional targeted violence by “domestic terrorist actors.”

It also reveals, citing the FBI, that on May 27, two days after Floyd’s death, “a white supremacist extremist Telegram channel incited followers to engage in violence and start the ‘boogaloo ’— a term used by some violent extremists to refer to the start of a second Civil War — by shooting in a crowd.” One Telegram message encouraged potential shooters to “frame the crowd around you” for the violence, the document said.


The DHS intelligence note is at least the fifth the department has sent out to law enforcement officials in the last two months warning of the mobilization of domestic terrorists and violent extremists in the context of a national crisis.

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On May 1, amid a spate of protests against coronavirus restrictions in cities across the country, Trump praised armed protesters who stormed the Michigan state capitol building.

Those protesters, Trump said, “are very good people, but they are angry. They want their lives back again, safely!”

(https://media.nbcdfw.com/2019/09/FlagFlap10_07_640x480.jpg?fit=640%2C480)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 02, 2020, 02:45:30 AM
DW reporter Stefan Simons was shot at by police on Sunday, marking the second night in a row that law enforcement had deliberately targeted DW crew members with projectiles.

Simons, who was wearing a press jacket during both incidents, had identified himself as a journalist. Authorities also threatened to arrest him on Saturday.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267119897806397442
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 02, 2020, 03:11:33 AM
My guardian was a police officer and is a dyed in the wool Republican.
He said those police officers should be charged with Murder.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 02, 2020, 06:42:57 AM
Thanks for those perspectives, steve, vox, and tom.

Quiet, during another night of reduced curfew (10 - 4, rather than 8 - 6), punctuated by distant shots, helicopters, convoys of military vehicles rushing by...

I can't smell any fires yet at this point tonight. Spent much of the evening checking my and my neighbors yards for incendiary devices, and cutting back my lilies and other foliage so I can find any such more easily.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on June 02, 2020, 07:03:22 AM
wili thanks for the updates. I wish it will not further escalate.
Please keep us informed. And my compliments for your high morality response to alex' remarks while being in the situation you're in!

It would be great to have some police officers joining the protesters as in other cities. I guess that there are many white supremacists among the militarized police and the POTUS/White house is on their side. Trump has a lot to answer for.

Reading about you helping out others (food etc) in these trying times has put a smile on my face. You are a beautiful human imo, standing up for and helping the vulnerable. These acts of support is a beautiful mirror to the acts of violence and racism/bigotry/hate.
It would be wise I think to have emergency evacuation stuff in a backpack ready to go for when the dung hits the ventilator.

Please don't be an unarmed hero in a cross-fire. Mask up, stay with us and the people that depend on you. If you can. A big virtual hug from me if it means anything. I wish I could help.

About swearwords/obscenity (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/obscenity), as I've written before, I am not personally offended. It is about the professional 'image' to the international outside; the non-member readers of this forum. It is about upholding standards for an international group of gentle, kind, forgiving, understanding, respecting, empathic, professional, scientificly oriented, honest and decent people (us).
Swearing in your situation is something completely different from swearing about e.g. a weather forecast. I completely understand your anger and anxiety and there is never a need to apologise to me. One could apologise to readers & members of the forum but not in this/your situation imo.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on June 02, 2020, 09:14:59 AM
The first thing they should outlaw is printing money. And than they have no time to riot, because they will have to go work or produce food. And it's that money printing that is killing our climate.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 02, 2020, 09:32:12 AM
It also reveals, citing the FBI, that on May 27, two days after Floyd’s death, “a white supremacist extremist Telegram channel incited followers to engage in violence and start the ‘boogaloo ’— a term used by some violent extremists to refer to the start of a second Civil War — by shooting in a crowd.” One Telegram message encouraged potential shooters to “frame the crowd around you” for the violence, the document said.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 02, 2020, 09:43:50 AM
Military Police and Army Helicopters are Deployed in Washington.
https://twitter.com/_/status/1267637911865999362

An Army Black Hawk helicopter descended to rooftop level in the Chinatown district of Washington on Monday night, kicking up dirt, debris and snapping trees that narrowly missed several people.

The military also used Lakota helicopters to perform the maneuver, known as show of force, which is often conducted by low-flying jets in combat zones to scare away insurgents. The crowd quickly dispersed into surrounding blocks. Minutes later, the Black Hawk returned for another pass.

The nation’s capital, roiled by protest, is the one jurisdiction where the Army can deploy without needing approval from a governor. So President Trump, declaring that “the destruction of peaceful life and the spilling of blood is against humanity and God,” ordered the Army to deploy an active-duty military police battalion for Washington, Defense Department officials said Monday.

The deployment of the military police unit — some 200 to 500 troops, from Fort Bragg, N.C. — is a sharp escalation in the response to riots and protests that have erupted in the capital.

... The clashes that have echoed in the streets of at least 140 cities are producing a growing toll, the extent of which is still difficult to quantify.

At least five people have died, and an untold number more, including protesters and police officers, have been injured. Thousands of people have been arrested, and fires, looting and vandalism have caused millions of dollars in damage to buildings and businesses

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/us/floyd-protests-live.html

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“Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are. - anonymous

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In Washington, DC police surrounded and pepper-sprayed protestors, according to reporters at the scene. A local resident provided shelter more than 100 protestors, according to a reporter for The Washington Post.

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With almost zero provocation and no audible warning, Oakland Police launches a barrage of tear gas at a crowd of about 500 to 600 protesters, who quickly dispersed as canisters of the stinging gas were thrown after them. The chemical weapons were deployed about 20 minutes before the 8pm curfew.

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In Dallas, police officers reportedly shot at kneeling protestors with tear gas and flash bombs.

A reporter for KERA, who at the scene said he left the scene after having a gun pointed at him.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hadysauce/status/1267640492692508674

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Protests in Philadelphia met with aggression from police and white civilians with bats

In Philadelphia tonight, more than two dozen protesters were arrested after hundreds marched through the city. Teargas and rubber bullets were used on the crowd, which defied the city’s 6pm curfew, according to local reporters.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSPhilly/status/1267564440972668929

In the Fishtown neighborhood, a crowd of mostly white men with bats, hammers, and golf clubs took to the streets, saying they were there to protect the area from looters, according to local reporters. A separate group of people in the neighborhood asked police officers to send the armed group home.

One man who appeared to have a hatchet was taken into police custody, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jwehrens/status/1267587942895230976

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Two killed in Chicago suburb
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/george-floyd-america-pain-weekend-rallies-grip-live-200601132229392.html

Two people were killed during unrest in the Chicago suburb of Cicero as protests continued over the death of George Floyd, according to a town official.

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St. Louis police offices injured in gunfire
https://mobile.twitter.com/SLMPD/status/1267693471705563137

At least four police officers injured in gunfire in St. Louis, the city's police department said.

The officers are receiving treatment at hospital and their injuries are not life-threatening, the police department said.

Officers are still taking gunfire downtown.

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Car rams into police in Buffalo, wounding two

A vehicle ploughed through a group of police officers at a demonstration on Monday night in Buffalo, New York, wounding at least two people.

Video from the scene shows the vehicle accelerating through an intersection shortly after officers apparently tackle a protester on the street and handcuff him. Officers are seen scattering to avoid the SUV as it drives off on Buffalo's east side. Apparent gunshots are heard.

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... there is another way

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National Guard In Nashville Put Down Riot Shields
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/george-floyd-america-pain-weekend-rallies-grip-live-200601132229392.html

More than 60 National Guard troops put down their riot shields Monday evening at the request of peaceful protesters who had gathered in front of Tennessee's state Capitol in Nashville to honour George Floyd.

Guardsman had initially rushed to grab their shields and form a hard line to block the slowly moving crowd - which was singing and chanting - from advancing up the Capitol steps. As the National Guard began moving, Tennessee State Police grabbed batons and formed a line behind them. However, the crowd remained calm

Democratic legislators leaving the Capitol asked to be able to move past the line of guards to join the crowd. As the crowd continued to sing and call for justice for Black Americans, slowly the shields began to drop. The state troopers declined to drop their batons, but backed farther away from the crowd.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZd8hPZXgAAIwUl?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 02, 2020, 09:45:24 AM
States where where National Guard troops have been deployed (21):
California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin

Cities where protests have erupted (120 cities):
Anchorage, AK; Birmingham, AL; Hoover, AL; Montgomery, AL; Little Rock, AR; Phoenix, AZ; Bakersfield, CA; Beverly Hills, CA; Fontana, CA; Fresno, CA; La Mesa, CA; Los Angeles, CA; Oakland, CA; Sacramento, CA; San Diego, CA; San Francisco, CA; San Jose, CA; Colorado Springs, CO; Denver, CO; Fort Collins, CO; Washington, DC; Wilmington, DE; Jacksonville, FL; Miami, FL; Tallahassee, FL; Tampa, FL; Windermere, FL; Atlanta, GA; Augusta, GA; Savannah, GA; Honolulu, HI; Des Moines, IA; Iowa City, IA; Boise, ID; Idaho Falls, ID; Chicago, IL; Indianapolis, IN; Topeka, KS; Lexington, KY; Louisville, KY; Baton Rouge, LA; Lafayette, LA; Lake Charles, LA; New Orleans, LA; Springfield, MA; Baltimore, MD; Portland, ME; Bay City, MI; Detroit, MI; Grand Rapids, MI; Lansing, MI; Bemidji, MN; Duluth, MN; Minneapolis, MN; St. Paul, MN; Ferguson, MO; Kansas, MO; St. Louis, MO; Jackson, MS; Petal, MS; Billings, MT; Bozeman, MT; Great Falls, MT; Helena, MT; Missoula, MT; Charlotte, NC; Raleigh, NC; Bismarck, ND; Fargo, ND; Lincoln, NE; Omaha, NE; Manchester, NH; Jersey City, NJ; Newark, NJ; Trenton, NJ; Willingboro, NJ; Albuquerque, NM; Santa Fe, NM; Las Vegas, NV; Reno, NV; Albany, NY; Buffalo, NY; New York City, NY; Rochester, NY; Cincinnati, OH; Cleveland, OH; Columbus, OH; Dayton, OH; Toledo, OH; Oklahoma, OK; Tulsa, OK; Eugene, OR; Portland, OR; Salem, OR; Philadelphia, PA; Pittsburgh, PA; Charleston, SC; Columbia, SC; Sioux Falls, SD; Memphis, TN; Nashville, TN; Austin, TX; Corpus Christi, TX; Dallas, TX; Fort Worth, TX; Houston, TX; Laredo, TX; Lubbock, TX; San Antonio, TX; Salt Lake City, UT; Charlottesville, VA; Hampton, VA; Norfolk, VA; Richmond, VA; Burlington, VT; Montpelier, VT; Seattle, WA; Tacoma, WA; Green Bay, WI; Madison, WI; Milwaukee, WI; Fairmont, WV; Huntington, WV; Cheyenne, WY.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 02, 2020, 10:11:36 AM
White Nationalist Group Posing as Antifa Called for Violence on Twitter
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456

A Twitter account claiming to belong to a national “antifa” organization and pushing violent rhetoric related to ongoing protests has been linked to the White Nationalist group Identity Evropa, according to a Twitter spokesperson.

Twitter suspended the account, @ANTIFA_US, after it posted a tweet that incited violence. A company spokesperson also told NBC News that the account violated Twitter's rules against platform manipulation and spam.

As protests were taking place in multiple states across the U.S. Sunday night, the newly created account, @ANTIFA_US, tweeted, “Tonight’s the night, Comrades,” with a brown raised fist emoji and “Tonight we say 'F--- The City' and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what's ours …”

https://www.axios.com/twitter-suspends-fake-antifa-account-white-nationalist-b387f109-2bfd-4326-a60f-a4d398a191c3.html

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'Domestic Terrorist Actors’ Could Exploit Floyd Protests, DHS Memo Warns
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/06/01/dhs-domestic-terrorists-protest-294342

... Despite the DHS intelligence note, administration officials have focused overwhelmingly on alleged left-wing violence. The note itself does not use the terms “left” or “right.” But it defines “militia extremists” as people who direct violence at the government because they believe it is taking away Americans’ freedoms and setting up a totalitarian regime. That definition also notes that militia extremists oppose laws regulating gun ownership and often form armed paramilitary groups. Those details are all hallmarks of far right extremism.

... Meanwhile, several Republican officials, including President Donald Trump, have blamed "antifa" for the violence and some have suggested protesters should be hunted down like terrorists.

On Sunday, Attorney General Bill Barr said the Justice Department and FBI would treat antifa protesters as domestic terrorists.

https://www.businessinsider.com/white-supremacist-telegram-channel-encourages-violence-george-floyd-protests-2020-6

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Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 02, 2020, 10:43:15 AM
This is what Antifa terror looks like!

(https://i.imgur.com/7JPHCGG.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Ktb on June 02, 2020, 12:01:47 PM
Social justice is impossible while "free market" capitalism exists.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 02, 2020, 07:11:33 PM
Thanks, nanning

I'm not always 'beautiful,' though, especially when directly confronting racist terrorists in front of my house...can't go into that right now right here though

Made it through another tense night.

National Guard protected the one open grocery store within miles last night.

More opened up this morning.

No major fires that I've heard of around here, tho someone tried to set fire to a beloved theater and performance center right near ground zero...one of the few buildings left standing there. Some damage, but not much else.

Glad that I make someone smile though :)

Really, there has been an enormous outpouring of help: food, supplies and other support from throughout the region in the last couple days. Some food drives have been so overwhelmed with donations that they have had to hustle to find ways to get it out to areas most in need before food stuffs went bad, including one organized by my niece and nephew a couple blocks away from me.

I hope to have some time to get back to my various neglected urban gardens today, though it's gonna be a bit hot: mid 30s (C).
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Pmt111500 on June 02, 2020, 07:36:16 PM
The murder shows what the US justice system has become, so it's no wonder people protest.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 02, 2020, 08:30:20 PM
Good point, Pmt.

Hundreds of businesses and public buildings have been damaged or destroyed in the last few days.

Now there is the fear that predatory f'n capitalists will buy up as much of this real estate as they can at rock bottom prices with no thought of what use would be most valuable for the suffering communities struggling to survive here.

Capitalism is not the answer, it is the problem
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 02, 2020, 08:44:36 PM
This is a scary situation for the whole world. The US probably falls into the conventional definition of "too big to fail".

The unsustainability of the current paradigm is pretty obvious, but the mechanism of transformation to a new balance is far from clear. i worked my ass off for the Bernie Sanders "kumbaya" scenario. I don't see a future w/o something resembling a Green New Deal.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 02, 2020, 09:00:42 PM
The DNC and US did not go Sanders way, unfortunately. All that's left is endless protest and interupting business as usual.

This, from a neighbor, gets across well part of what we're facing here now:

Quote
So, here's the situation:

1. We have organized to protect our homes, businesses, an lives because the MPD will not do it.

2. When we do find a white supremacist, looter, or fire starter, we are supposed to call the very white supremacist organization that caused all of this, trusting them to suddenly move from laughing and mocking while they shoot, mace, and teargas our community to caring for us and protecting us from racist white men like themselves.

3. Literally at the same moments that white men in a Chevy Durango stop in an alley and shoot several rounds in the air to terrorize us, the police are arresting community members who are trying to protect our neighborhood because they won't.

At the VERY LEAST, as my friend Dahveed Zee has pointed out, the MPD should have been benched during all of this instead of being in charge of the response.

If Governor Tim Walz and Mayor Jacob Frey were genuinely interested in actual change, they would have at the very least had us deal with cops from other jurisdictions.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on June 02, 2020, 09:37:40 PM
Time to buy some guns Wili, may was the best month ever.  https://www.rt.com/op-ed/490556-us-riots-gun-sales-soar/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 02, 2020, 09:38:07 PM
More and more evidence the protesters are not the criminal ones here!

Quote
#BlackLivesMattter pls dont pick up a brick , its a set up guys


(Video at link)

Link >> https://twitter.com/hassanmorehamed/status/1267875021541777408
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 02, 2020, 10:17:47 PM
There are, in fact, neighbors patrolling with shotguns, but I'm not sure that makes me feel safer.

The racists are mostly chicken shits, just pulling crap to try to terrorize the neighborhood.

Organization is a far, far better weapon than guns.

One thing I have noticed that no one (I've seen) in the media is describing these violent white racists as terrorists, which is what they are.

Which itself is rather violently white racist!!

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nanning wrote: "...police officers joining the protesters ..."

I can't say that this never happens in sincere ways, but I have seen over and over examples of police making sympathetic statements and gestures, then, sometimes just minutes later, firing on the protesters they claimed to be so much in support of.

We can't get tricked into thinking that what we need to do is 'get rid of bad cops, and find more good cops'.  The system from the top down is set up to punish or worse any police who call out or even criticize fellow officers who are racist; a system that also punishes or worse any officer or even police chief who tries to uphold the rights of minorities, even the minorities within the her/his own ranks of police officers.

We really do have to start from scratch. Get rid of the system that is, and try to create a new system with tons and tons of safeguards to be sure that old evils don't slip back in. Then watch like hawks constantly to be sure that they in fact don't.

The only alternative is endless protests...and sadly neither the protesters nor anyone else can insure that protests don't turn 'ugly,' as they mostly do because of police starting to riot
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on June 02, 2020, 10:25:58 PM
Until they are at your door. You already have like 400 million in your country. So you can better have one for yourself. The AR-15's are fun to shoot. A shotgun is a terrible thing to shoot. The recoil from the AR-15 is a lot smaller. Easy to handle. And in case of home defence, that one bullet will do the job. The distance will be short, so you want miss. With the shotgun you have like a cloud of hail.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 02, 2020, 10:35:39 PM


I am now going to ignore all of your future posts.

I ask the moderators to moderate people on this post trying to foment violence and terror.
 
I have enough of that in my very own  front yard right now, thank you ever so much
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 02, 2020, 10:39:18 PM

I ask the moderators to moderate people on this post trying to foment violence and terror.

I feel the same.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on June 02, 2020, 10:40:00 PM
That's the spirit.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 02, 2020, 10:53:38 PM
Man Charged After Handing Out Explosives in Minneapolis
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/01/politics/illinois-minneapolis-charges/index.html

Federal authorities have charged an Illinois man for civil disorder, carrying on a riot and possession of unregistered destructive devices associated with recent clashes between violent protesters and police in Minneapolis.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/06/01/rupert_signed_complaint_0.pdf

In videos allegedly posted to his Facebook account on May 29, Matthew Lee Rupert, 28, was seen passing out explosive devices to other rioters and encouraged them to throw the devices at law enforcement officers, according to the criminal complaint released Monday.

After handing an explosive device to another rioter and telling the person to throw it at police SWAT officers, the complaint states that Rupert is heard on video saying "He's throwing my bombs," adding, "He's going to bomb the police with them."

After an audible explosion is heard, Rupert is heard saying, "Good shot my boy," according to the complaint, as well as, "F*** 12," a derogatory phrase often directed at law enforcement.

On one video, the complaint alleges Rupert asked for lighter fluid, entered a Sprint cell phone store, and is later heard on video saying, "I lit it on fire."

On May 31, the criminal complaint said Rupert posted Facebook videos depicting himself in Chicago. In one video, Rupert is heard saying, "Let's start a riot," and "I'm going to start doing some damage," according to the complaint. He is then seen on video entering a convenience store and placing items in his backpack, according to the complaint.

Rupert was arrested early Sunday morning by Chicago police officers after allegedly violating the city's emergency curfew order, the complaint states. After searching his vehicle, authorities found several destructive devices, according to the complaint.

(https://www.peoriapublicradio.org/sites/wcbu/files/styles/medium/public/202006/84654787_2546894698770279_6942237849940918272_n.jpg)
Matthew Lee Rupert

Matthew Lee Rupert, 28 year old white male, Charged With Rioting In Minneapolis, Arrested In Chicago Where He Planned More ‘Damage’
https://mobile.twitter.com/4lisaguerrero/status/1267586518572429312
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Neven on June 03, 2020, 12:12:00 AM
Alexander555, you haven't said one intelligent or wise thing in this thread. With such a low score, it may be better to just be silent.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: be cause on June 03, 2020, 12:17:37 AM
^^ seconded .. b.c.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 03, 2020, 12:41:01 AM
Thank you, neven
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 03, 2020, 02:12:17 AM
US Army Poised On Outskirts of Washington - Reports
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/02/trump-and-biden-offer-starkly-different-visions-with-nation-at-a-crossroads

US troops from the 82nd Airborne Division have been moved from their base in Fort Bragg, North Carolina, to the outskirts of Washington, DC, according to multiple reports from unnamed Defense Department officials.

Around 700 members of the 82nd are now poised at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland and Fort Belvoir in Virginia, the Associated Press reports. Joint Base Andrews is where Air Force One takes off when the president goes on trips and is minutes from the White House, just outside the boundary of the capital.

In addition, 1,400 more soldiers are ready to be mobilized within an hour, AP writes, according to two Defense Department officials, who are not named.

The soldiers are armed and have riot gear, and they also have bayonets, the agency reports.

It is not clear if this is (almost literal) saber-rattling from the president, who has been talking hardline on law and order, displaying hardware in order to intimidate, or if those troops will really be seen on the streets of Washington.

The president has the jurisdiction to send US troops into the federal capital pretty freely, without invoking legislation or seeking permission as would be the case with a state.

Nothing is "standard issue" about this. Paratroopers are trained to kill the enemy and hold ground.

In April 2003 the 82nd were used to control the civilians of Fallujah. They ended up killing 25 protesters, which started the insurgency in Anbar

https://mobile.twitter.com/bungdan/status/1267940026207240192

... The nation’s capital is the one jurisdiction where the Army can deploy without needing approval from a governor. So President Trump, declaring that “the destruction of peaceful life and the spilling of blood is against humanity and God,” ordered the Army to deploy an active-duty military police battalion for Washington
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/us/floyd-protests-live.html#link-5328ad31

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The Drug Enforcement Administration has been granted authority to conduct surveillance of protestors, according to a report from Buzzfeed News:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/george-floyd-police-brutality-protests-government

The Drug Enforcement Administration has been granted sweeping new authority to “conduct covert surveillance” and collect intelligence on people participating in protests over the murder of George Floyd, according to a two-page memorandum obtained by BuzzFeed News.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6935297-LEOPOLD-DEA-Memo-George-Floyd-Protests.html

Floyd’s death “has spawned widespread protests across the nation, which, in some instances, have included violence and looting,” said the DEA memo. “Police agencies in certain areas of the country have struggled to maintain and/or restore order.” The memo requests the extraordinary powers on a temporary basis, and on Sunday afternoon a senior Justice Department official signed off.


Federal agencies have conducted surveillance of protest groups before - in 2015, the Department of Homeland Security monitored activists on Twitter. the FBI monitored Occupy Wall Street protestors in 2011. And of course, antiwar protestors were heavily monitored during the 1960s and 70s.

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In Washington, DC, protests have continued despite an amplified policing and military presence.

Tens of thousands gathered on Tuesday evening and stayed out past the 7pm curfew. Demonstrators set up aid stations, handing out water and other supplies. Many came prepped with masks and goggles to shield them against teargas and pepper spray.

We’re officially past curfew out here in front of the White House and the protest has not shrunk one bit. This is the biggest crowd my colleagues and I have seen all week. Instead of deterring them, the aggressive police tactics of yesterday seem to have moved many to come out.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Marissa_Jae/status/1267956666097709062

(https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1267916946277904387/pu/img/LuysuXLb145RhdPx.jpg)

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Here’s the latest tally of press freedom violations during the demonstrations against police brutality, from the US Press Freedom Tracker:

*211 total press freedom violations*

• 33+ arrests
• 143 assaults (118 by police, 25 by others)
• 35 equipment/newsroom damage

Assault category breakdown:
• 49 physical attacks (31 by cops)
• 35 tear gassings
• 21 pepper sprayings
• 50 rubber bullet/projectiles

https://mobile.twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/1267939824461328384

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Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 03, 2020, 02:32:22 AM
US Senate Republicans Block Bill Condemning Trump On Protesters
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/outrage-peaceful-rally-tear-gassed-trump-photo-op-live-200602143946991.html

US Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic resolution that would have condemned Trump for the use of gas and rubber bullets against peaceful protesters near the White House.

On Monday, federal officials cleared protesters near the White House just before Trump marched through to pose holding a Bible outside a boarded-up church. That, and Trump's threat to deploy federal troops to quell unrest, has deepened outrage among protesters.

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AG Barr Personally Ordered Law Enforcement to Push Back Lafayette Square Protesters: Report

US Attorney General William Barr personally ordered protesters to be pushed back from Washington's Lafayette Square the Washington Post reported, just before Trump spoke from the White House Rose Garden.

Following a brief speech on Monday, Trump walked out of the White House, with a heavy security detail, across Lafayette Square to St. John's Episcopal Church, where he stopped in front of boarded-up windows and held up a Bible for cameras before walking back to the White House.

The Washington Post reported that Barr made the request about pushing back protesters from the square after finding a previous decision to widen the security perimeter around the White House had not been acted upon.

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Area Around White House Sealed Off

The streets around the White House complex were shut Tuesday morning, guarded by a mix of Secret Service officers and FBI agents.

Overnight, a fence was constructed around Lafayette Park and along 17th Street at Pennsylvania Avenue, two areas that have been focal points for protests.

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Man Gives Shelter to 70 Protesters
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/outrage-peaceful-rally-tear-gassed-trump-photo-op-live-200602143946991.html

A man in Washington, DC said he sheltered about 70 protesters in his home all night after they got caught between police lines after curfew.

Rahul Dubey told WJLA-TV he was sitting on his porch around 8:30pm last night when law enforcement officers began corralling protesters on his street. He let some sit with him, and helped others out through his back alley, but the situation then escalated when officers started pushing protesters to the ground and releasing pepper spray, creating a "human tsunami" that flooded into his home.

"I was hanging on my railing yelling, 'Get in the house! Get in the house!'" he told The Washington Post.

Officers also released pepper spray through the window after he closed the door, Dubey told WJLA-TV. The protesters inside the home screamed, and started pouring water and milk into their eyes, which were reddened by tear gas, in a scene he described as "pure mayhem".

The protesters left the home after 6am Tuesday when the district's curfew ended.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEwYM7SUESQ

In the Valley of Elah (2007) - Flag scene & ending
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Valley_of_Elah
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 03, 2020, 03:21:58 AM
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.
~ John F. Kennedy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv8FBjo1Y8I
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 03, 2020, 03:29:00 AM
Thanks, vox

I can't fully verify all of these right now, but a lot of bad stuff is happening to citizens all over, most of which isn't hitting the presses in a big way. (One little ray of light, though, is that the Mpls School Board, pressured by the public including yours truly, just joined the University of Minnesota and others in deciding to cancel their contract with the Mpls Police Department, showing further how nearly every major educational--and other--institution in the city, and nearly all of the citizens, no longer see the MPD as a legitimate organization.)

Going around fb...any corrections or additions (beyond my own in brackets) are welcome.

'Austin police have killed a young man by shooting him in the head with bird shot rounds wrapped in cloth, and continued to shoot the medics carrying his body. They shot a known pregnant woman in the stomach, then stormed and abducted her from a medic tent. They maced young children during a peaceful daytime protest.

Detroit police have brutally beaten, tear gassed and arrested my friends peacefully protesting. A curfew is set from 8pm to 5am city wide.

Rockford police dragged people from their cars and beat them last night.

Armored police shot at people  filming them on their own balconies. [Reportedly, one NG said 'Light 'em up!' and when another hit the woman squarely in the groin with the device, he bragged, "I'm good! That musta hurt!]   https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-02/minneapolis-woman-shot-at-by-police-during-george-floyd-protests/12310592


An NYPD officer called a woman a "fucking bitch" and threw her on the ground. She went into a seizure and had to go to the emergency room. Then more New York cops rammed into crowds of protesters with their cars.

An Atlanta couple last night had their tires slashed, windows broken, and were dragged out of their car and tazed.

Chicago police announced a curfew and then raised the bridges out of downtown. Demonstrators were trapped and at the utter mercy of CPD roundups. A police supervisor ordered on the radio, "Gas 'em all." Over 1,000 people have been arrested.

Everywhere, journalists are being indiscriminately targeted and arrested. A Minneapolis photojournalist is blinded permanently in one eye after being hit by a less lethal round.

They've maced children. They've torn off a woman's hijab. They're turning off their body cameras and hiding their badge numbers.

La Mesa police put a Black grandmother in the ICU with a metal beanbag between the eyes at point blank on Monday.

This is just what's been documented. Imagine what hasn't been.
The true nature of American policing has been revealed for the world to see. I have never seen brutality on such a massive scale. They don't care if you're peaceful. They don't care if they're on camera.
Black and brown youth are the leaders on the ground. They are the leaders of our future. Black and brown youth are the people who are bleeding, getting beaten, and being thrown into jail. This is trauma that will last their whole lives.
To the bail funds. To the phone lines to demand release. We have to protect our people.
If you're going out there again please, and I beg you, be safe.”
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 03, 2020, 03:31:25 AM
Also:

State launches civil rights probe of Minneapolis police in wake of Floyd killing

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/06/02/floyds-death-ruled-a-homicide-memorial-service-set-for-thursday?fbclid=IwAR28JFIbLnoXmvxPRaVc7wC5MgrOcJACY7VGDQ4AsJPFylu0KHvsVdjK_-E
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 03, 2020, 04:21:54 AM
The Department of Defense has upgraded the force protection level in the National Capitol Region.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1267877540607209476

Upgraded to Force Protection Condition “Charlie”
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZhhg8RWAAgUR2z?format=jpg&name=small)

Force Protection Level I Antiterrorism Training defines FPCON Charlie as: FPCON Charlie applies when an incident occurs or intelligence is received indicating that some form of terrorist action against personnel and installations is imminent.

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It was BullShit after 2001 and it's still BullShit. ... FUBAR

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1000s of Troops On the Move from Fort Bragg
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33802/military-helicopters-descend-on-washington-in-bizarre-very-low-altitude-show-of-force

... There are also reports that the elements of the 82nd Airborne Division's Immediate Response Force, which last deployed to Iraq to bolster security there following an attack on the Embassy in Baghdad in December 2019, are arriving in D.C. from the unit's home base at Fort Bragg in North Carolina. This would be in line with Trump's earlier statement that thousands of troops were heading to the capital.

Units assigned to the secretive Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) have reportedly been put on alert, too. JSOC, which is the U.S. military's premier counter-terrorism force, has something of a nebulous mission in the greater D.C. area, also known as the National Capital Region, as part of a unit known as the Joint Interagency Task Force-National Capital Region (JIATF-NCR), also sometimes referred to as SOCOM-National Capital Region (SOCOM-NCR) or just the Interagency Task Force (IATF).

There have been other reports of C-17s and C-130Js flying in from other posts, as well, including Fort Drum in New York, home of the Army's 10th Mountain Division, and Fort Riley in Kansas, where the 1st Infantry Division is based.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AircraftSpots/status/1267674928729358336

https://mobile.twitter.com/vcdgf555/status/1267687291591356417

https://mobile.twitter.com/vcdgf555/status/1267704576741789697

... Other assets are involved in the overwatch missions beyond the usual police and agency helicopters, as well. U.S. Customs and Border Protection Dash-8 turboprops, which are heavily modified with advanced sensors, are flying missions out of Reagan National Airport. A Cessna Citation registered to the National Aircraft Leasing Corporation, but linked to the FBI, is also now orbiting over the D.C. area. Other fixed-wing aircraft have been seen flying high overhead, as well, some of which do not have their transponders on—which is another highly peculiar move.

... Also, the airlift operations continue out of Andrews AFB

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National Guard deployment in California
https://mobile.twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1267888375140417540

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Pentagon Moves 1,600 Active Duty Troops Into the DC Area to Assist Civil Authorities
https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-02-20/index.html

The Pentagon confirmed Tuesday night that about 1,600 active duty troops had been moved from Fort Bragg and Fort Drum to the Washington, DC area to assist civil authorities if needed. 

No active duty forces have been deployed in DC as of now, but the “active duty elements are postured on military bases in the National Capitol Region,” said Pentagon Chief spokesman Jonathan Hoffman in a statement, describing the movement as a "prudent planning measure."

The troops “are on heightened alert status but remain under Title X authority and are not participating in defense support to civil authority operations,” Hoffman said.
CNN previously reported that troops from Fort Bragg were being moved in the DC area on Monday night.

President Donald Trump’s announcement Monday that he is ready to deploy the military to enforce order inside the United States has led to discomfort among some in the Pentagon, defense officials have told CNN.

Some Pentagon officials have tried to make a strong case that the situation does not yet call for deploying active duty troops unless state governors make a clear argument that such forces are needed.

"There is an intense desire for local law enforcement to be in charge," a defense official said, alluding to the laws that forbid the military from performing law enforcement roles inside the US

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Defense Secretary Mark Esper defends military role in quelling civil disorder in memo

... A former top policy official at the Pentagon, James Miller, resigned from his role on the Defense Advisory Board due to what he said was Secretary of Defense Mark Esper’s visible support of the clearing of protesters from Lafayette Square Monday, an act Miller called a violation of Esper’s oath of office.

... “You recited that same oath on July 23, 2019, when you were sworn in as Secretary of Defense. On Monday, June 1, 2020, I believe that you violated that oath,” Miller wrote, referring to law enforcement officers clearing of peaceful protesters.

“You may not have been able to stop President Trump from directing this appalling use of force, but you could have chosen to oppose it. Instead, you visibly supported it,” Miller added.

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I Cannot Remain Silent
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/06/i-cannot-remain-silent/165853/

Adm Mike Mullen, US Navy (ret) - Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

It sickened me yesterday to see security personnel—including members of the National Guard—forcibly and violently clear a path through Lafayette Square to accommodate the president’s visit outside St. John’s Church. I have to date been reticent to speak out on issues surrounding President Trump’s leadership, but we are at an inflection point, and the events of the past few weeks have made it impossible to remain silent.

Whatever Trump’s goal in conducting his visit, he laid bare his disdain for the rights of peaceful protest in this country, gave succor to the leaders of other countries who take comfort in our domestic strife, and risked further politicizing the men and women of our armed forces.

There was little good in the stunt.

... We must, as citizens, address head-on the issue of police brutality and sustained injustices against the African American community. We must, as citizens, support and defend the right—indeed, the solemn obligation—to peacefully assemble and to be heard. These are not mutually exclusive pursuits.

And neither of these pursuits will be made easier or safer by an overly aggressive use of our military, active duty or National Guard. The United States has a long and, to be fair, sometimes troubled history of using the armed forces to enforce domestic laws. The issue for us today is not whether this authority exists, but whether it will be wisely administered.

I remain confident in the professionalism of our men and women in uniform. They will serve with skill and with compassion. They will obey lawful orders. But I am less confident in the soundness of the orders they will be given by this commander in chief, and I am not convinced that the conditions on our streets, as bad as they are, have risen to the level that justifies a heavy reliance on military troops. Certainly, we have not crossed the threshold that would make it appropriate to invoke the provisions of the Insurrection Act.

Furthermore, I am deeply worried that as they execute their orders, the members of our military will be co-opted for political purposes.

Even in the midst of the carnage we are witnessing, we must endeavor to see American cities and towns as our homes and our neighborhoods. They are not “battle spaces” to be dominated, and must never become so.

We must ensure that African Americans—indeed, all Americans—are given the same rights under the Constitution, the same justice under the law, and the same consideration we give to members of our own family. Our fellow citizens are not the enemy, and must never become so.

Too many foreign and domestic policy choices have become militarized; too many military missions have become politicized.

This is not the time for stunts. This is the time for leadership.

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Trump Has Normalised Mayhem and the US is Paying the Price
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/02/donald-trump-coronavirus-george-floyd-normalized

The sheer tumult of the Trump era, the unceasing torrent of events that were unthinkable even hours before, has left a nation constantly off balance, unable to find its bearing and grasp how far it has traveled.

The developments of the past 24 hours were a reminder of how slippery the downward slope has been.

More than a hundred thousand Americans are dead from a pandemic after the government’s botched response; there are armoured cars and troops outside Washington metro stations; men in combat gear carrying sniper rifles were seen perched in the open door of a helicopter flying low over the commercial district. A military chopper buzzed a crowd of demonstrators so close to the ground they were buffeted around by the wind from the rotor, a dispersal technique learned in counter-insurgencies abroad.

On Monday, an entirely peaceful protest was driven out of a city square in front of the White House with teargas, baton charges and mounted police, so Trump could pose in front of a church with a Bible.

A priest and a seminarian, who had been distributing water and hand sanitizer to protesters from the steps of St John’s Episcopal, were driven away by police with helmets and riot shields to create an uncluttered tableau. A Bible was procured for Trump from inside the church for him to hold aloft. Journalists asked if it was his Bible. “It’s a Bible,” he replied.

The rate of fresh affronts has often outpaced the capacity to digest – or even describe – them. Peaceful protesters, journalists, a young African American man pleading for mutual understanding, shop owners, residents are being targeted for arbitrary arrest or police beatings or both – especially if they are black.

Overnight the very language of governance has changed. The defence secretary has described US cities as the “battlespace” and the president has rejoiced in his administration’s “overwhelming force” and “domination” over the citizenry. ...

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Turning and turning in the widening gyre   
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere   
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst   
Are full of passionate intensity.


The Second Coming - William Butler Yeats
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on June 03, 2020, 05:14:34 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2020/jun/02/steve-bell-on-trumps-church-photo-op-amid-george-floyd-protests-cartoon

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Leading_the_People)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 03, 2020, 06:25:02 AM
"...A Bible was procured for Trump from inside the church ..."

In other words, "...leader of looters of Episcopal Church identified: D.J. Trump"
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: bluice on June 03, 2020, 06:38:52 AM
A long and interesting Bellingcat article about the Bugaloo Bois, one of the armed groups born out of the internet forums and turned into an irl force during hhe Trump era

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-movement-is-not-what-you-think/

Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 03, 2020, 06:55:52 AM
Alexander555, you haven't said one intelligent or wise thing in this thread. With such a low score, it may be better to just be silent.

Alexander, please take what Neven said very seriously.

As a heads up, from now on, i will snip even remotely insensible posts of yours in this thread.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 03, 2020, 09:18:06 AM
LA rioter lights firework on the street. Gets it thrown back into his car.

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/WinStupidPrizes/comments/gvhjcu/la_rioter_lights_firework_on_the_street_gets_it/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 03, 2020, 01:32:47 PM
'Do the Right Thing': Veterans Call On National Guard Members to Refuse to Deploy Against Protesters

Link >> https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/06/02/do-right-thing-veterans-call-national-guard-members-refuse-deploy-against-protesters
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 03, 2020, 01:33:13 PM
Idiotic Cops Arrest Black Business Owners Protecting Their Store

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASzlyWt22DE
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 03, 2020, 01:33:53 PM
(https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/lk060220dapr.jpg.webp?resize=550x550)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 03, 2020, 05:24:42 PM
(https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/lk060220dapr.jpg.webp?resize=550x550)
I don’t see anything here.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 03, 2020, 05:31:10 PM

I don’t see anything here.

I had the same problem with my default browser (Safari). But when i switched to Firefox it worked.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 03, 2020, 05:54:52 PM
Trump is talking about using tanks to quell the George Floyd protests but the Pentagon is getting cold feet

Link >> https://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-didnt-expect-trump-deploy-more-troops-after-esper-call-2020-6
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 03, 2020, 08:23:28 PM
Let's hear it for cold feet!!! (or at least cooler heads!!)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 03, 2020, 08:24:55 PM
I don't see anything either, and I have Firefox.

Maybe if vox could include a link or something, that would be nice
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 03, 2020, 08:37:26 PM
Link >> https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/1_285.jpg

(https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/1_285.jpg)

(It's the code after the question mark in the URL that confuses browsers here i suspect, so i cut it. Now it should work fine)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 03, 2020, 08:58:30 PM
In Trump's America, Gun-Toting Anti-Quarantine Activists Called "Very Good People," But Unarmed Protesters Denouncing Police Brutality Are "Thugs"

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What the president and others don't realize is that we're not just protesting the death of George Floyd (or Breonna Taylor, or Ahmaud Arbery, or Eric Garner, or Alton Sterling, or Philando Castile). We are also protesting the racist culture embedded in police precincts throughout the nation—and the brutality that comes with it.

Link >> https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/06/03/trumps-america-gun-toting-anti-quarantine-activists-called-very-good-people-unarmed
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 04, 2020, 01:29:15 AM
The military is choosing sides ...

James Mattis Denounces Trump as a Threat to the Constitution
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-threat-constitution/165891/

In an extraordinary condemnation, the former defense secretary backs protesters and says the president is trying to turn Americans against one another.

James Mattis, the esteemed Marine general who resigned as secretary of defense in December 2018 to protest Donald Trump’s Syria policy, has, ever since, kept studiously silent about Trump’s performance as president. But he has now broken his silence, writing an extraordinary broadside in which he denounces the president for dividing the nation, and accuses him of ordering the U.S. military to violate the constitutional rights of American citizens.

“I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled,” Mattis writes. “The words ‘Equal Justice Under Law’ are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.” He goes on, “We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution.”

In his j’accuse, Mattis excoriates the president for setting Americans against one another.

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“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,” Mattis writes. “We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.

He continues, "We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.”

He goes on to contrast the American ethos of unity with Nazi ideology. “Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that ‘The Nazi slogan for destroying us … was “Divide and Conquer.” Our American answer is “In Union there is Strength.”’ We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.”

Mattis’s dissatisfaction with Trump was no secret inside the Pentagon. But after his resignation, he argued publicly—and to great criticism—that it would be inappropriate and counterproductive for a former general, and a former Cabinet official, to criticize a sitting president. Doing so, he said, would threaten the apolitical nature of the military. When I interviewed him last year on this subject, he said, “When you leave an administration over clear policy differences, you need to give the people who are still there as much opportunity as possible to defend the country. They still have the responsibility of protecting this great big experiment of ours.” He did add, however: “There is a period in which I owe my silence. It’s not eternal. It’s not going to be forever.”

That period is now definitively over. Mattis reached the conclusion this past weekend that the American experiment is directly threatened by the actions of the president he once served. In his statement, Mattis makes it clear that the president’s response to the police killing of George Floyd, and the ensuing protests, triggered this public condemnation.

“When I joined the military, some 50 years ago,” he writes, “I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.”

He goes on to implicitly criticize the current secretary of defense, Mark Esper, and other senior officials as well. “We must reject any thinking of our cities as a ‘battlespace’ that our uniformed military is called upon to ‘dominate.’ At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.

Here is the text of the complete statement: ...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/read-mattis-statement-on-trumps-handling-of-nationwide-protests.html
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 04, 2020, 02:56:13 AM
3 More Cops Charged in George Floyd Death, Other Officer's Murder Charge Upgraded
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/03/3-more-cops-charged-in-george-floyd-death-other-officers-murder-charge-upgraded.html

Three former Minneapolis police officers were charged Wednesday with aiding and abetting murder in connection with the death of George Floyd in their custody, Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison announced Wednesday.

Derek Chauvin, a fourth former officer who had already been charged with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter, will now also be charged with second-degree murder, Ellison said.

"We are here today because George Floyd is not here," Ellison, a Democrat, said at a news conference announcing the charges. Ellison predicted that the prosecution of the officers could take months, and urged the public to be patient as his office builds cases.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 04, 2020, 04:25:19 AM
Reports Challenge Trump's Antifa Claims
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/floyd-protests-esper-opposes-trump-threat-send-military-200603145130628.html

Part of a June 1 internal intelligence assessment of the protests viewed by Reuters shows that US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials said most of the violence appears to have been driven by opportunists.

Trump has threatened to designate Antifa, a loose conglomeration of anti-fascist activists, as a "terrorist" organisation for allegedly causing violence in the protests.

Reuters cited two unnamed Justice Department officials who said they had seen little to support claims that far-left groups were causing violence.

The DHS report said there was some evidence based on open-source and DHS reporting that Antifa may be contributing to the violence, a view shared by some local police departments in public statements and interviews with Reuters.

The part of the document seen by Reuters did not provide any specific evidence of extremist-driven violence, but noted that white supremacists were working online to increase tensions between protesters and law enforcement by calling for acts of violence against both groups. There was no evidence, however, that white supremacists were causing violence at any of the protests, the document said.

But the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based monitoring group, claims it has found evidence that a person arrested at a North Carolina for allegedly shooting at groups of protesters has ties to neo-Confederate groups.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/06/02/north-carolina-protest-shooting-suspect-appears-have-ties-organized-neo-confederacy-hate

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Police Charge 3 Men Who They Say Plotted to Capitalise On Vegas Protests
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/floyd-protests-esper-opposes-trump-threat-send-military-200603145130628.html

Three Nevada men with ties to a movement of right-wing extremists advocating the overthrow of the US government have been arrested on terrorism-related charges in what authorities say was a conspiracy to spark violence during recent protests in Las Vegas.

Federal prosecutors say the three men who are white and served in the US military are accused of conspiring to carry out a plan that began in April in conjunction with protests to reopen businesses closed because of the coronavirus and later sought to capitalise on protests.

Stephen T. Parshall, 35, Andrew T. Lynam Jr., 23, and William L. Loomis, 40, were being held on $1mn bond each in the Clark County jail, according to court records.

Each currently faces two federal charges - conspiracy to damage and destroy by fire and explosive, and possession of unregistered firearms. In state court, they have been accused of felony conspiracy, terrorism and explosives possession.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 04, 2020, 04:47:16 AM
That's it for me tonight...

'Goodnight, you princes of Maine..."

...and the dawn...don't rescue me...no...more...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfBqWNFOVo8
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on June 04, 2020, 07:57:55 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/26/central-park-new-york-white-woman-black-birdwatcher
"White woman calls police on black man who asked her to leash dog in Central Park"
  by  Joanna Walters in New York

All the time she is choking her own dog
(1m11  26May2020)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnrF-s7ZvTs
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 04, 2020, 08:06:30 AM
Not her dog anymore BTW. Also, she lost her job.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 04, 2020, 08:13:52 AM
Nina Turner on The Rising backing up Cornel West's assertion that black American's are also the victims of black establishment politicians (like Obama) and liberal white Democrats.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z46lYUNfhXE
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on June 04, 2020, 09:01:23 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/04/were-horrified-by-whats-going-on-in-the-usa-of-course-nothing-like-that-could-happen-here
(Australia, First Dog On The Moon cartoon)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 04, 2020, 01:17:29 PM
(https://i.redd.it/7bf1lsrmyu251.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 04, 2020, 02:35:18 PM
Dispatch From the Divider- In-Chief: Trump’s Latest Tweets Are From An Alternate Reality Where Protests Are Out of Control
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2020/6/3/21279088/trump-tweets-alternate-reality-george-floyd-protests

The president portrayed the protests as violent to justify his militarized response while also attacking Biden for being too tough on crime.

Judging solely by President Donald Trump’s Twitter feed Wednesday morning, you’d think the nationwide protests against police violence Tuesday evening consisted only of looting, rioting, and property damage. However, the protests remained mainly peaceful, especially after George Floyd’s family members implored protesters to remain nonviolent.

The president spent the morning mostly retweeting right-wing radio host Buck Sexton, who was busy creating a narrative that gangs of lawless rioters were roaming the streets of New York City breaking windows and looting stores.

... Sexton’s claim that 5th Avenue stores had “countless windows shattered” was not an accurate one. A Commercial Appeal report recounting the damage done to the city’s retail stores over the weekend said that the Avenue’s luxury stores, like the one shown in Sexton’s photo, were boarded up before the protests and were largely left unscathed.

https://commercialobserver.com/2020/06/landlords-board-up-stores-as-soho-recovers-from-looting/

Beyond misleading photos, the radio host also used the protests — as the president himself has — to attack Democrats. Sexton accused agitators among the protesters of being “Democrats who are ruining cities across the country,” a message also retweeted by the president.

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZnF8H_XkAQx9G3?format=jpg&name=medium)

Trump’s Bible Photo-Op Splits White Evangelical Loyalists Into Two Camps
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/trumps-bible-photo-op-splits-white-evangelicals
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 04, 2020, 03:18:59 PM
Veteran Military Helicopter Pilot On Why Hovering Over Protestors Was Dangerous And Stupid
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33820/veteran-military-helicopter-pilot-on-why-hovering-over-protestors-was-dangerous-and-stupid

The maneuvers were absurd on every level and they put both the people below and the crews inside the helicopters in danger.

... there is something fundamentally wrong with using military helicopters to disperse American citizens engaged in the protected exercise of free speech.


... While hovering over a crowd at low altitude, the downwash from the rotor circulates debris and dust at high speed. While some of the protestors were wearing rudimentary Personal Protective Equipment (PPE), many were not. Those citizens were at risk of being seriously injured as a result. As far as the helicopter goes, kicking up that much dust and debris is almost certain to result in some Foreign Object Debris (FOD) ingestion into the engines. The worst-case scenario—an engine or control system failure while in a hover—would leave no room to maneuver to a safe landing spot and not enough altitude to enter an autorotation. It's far safer to be in forward flight at altitude than in a permanent hover. Both the American citizens who were subjected to the debris blast and the helicopter crew were placed in danger for no apparent reason.

... [to the pilot] ..."There is a fine line between being aggressive and being stupid. Right now you are nowhere near that line. You are operating all the way on the stupid side of that line, and you need to un-fuck yourself before you get somebody killed."

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About That Huge Rifle The Secret Service Sniper Was Carrying During Trump's Photo Op Walk
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33818/about-that-huge-rifle-the-secret-service-sniper-was-carrying-during-trumps-photo-op-walk

The highly customizable weapon has the ability to reach out and take out threats like other snipers over long distances with extreme accuracy.

(https://the-drive-2.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.thedrive.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F06%2F325236ffff.jpg%3Fquality%3D85?w=1920&auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=js-1.4.1&s=ba53a626d0f559069632863d487df4c5)

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Who Are They? Unmarked Security Forces in DC Spark Fear
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/06/who-are-they-unmarked-security-forces-dc-spark-fear/165892/

The presence of unmarked federal law enforcement officers, dressed in paramilitary uniforms and wearing no identifying insignia, quickly spread among protesters marching through Washington, D.C.’s streets on Tuesday and Wednesday, causing concerned protesters and officials to ask: Who are they?

In some locations, security personnel refused to identify themselves to journalists and protesters who asked which agency sent them, answering only that they worked for the federal government. In other places, they identified themselves as working for the Department of Justice. Some carried rifles, or were equipped with body armor, riot shields, and pepper spray canisters.

... Attorney General Bill Barr had ordered Bureau of Prisons to send its specialized riot response teams to assist with the local D.C. law enforcement with the civil unrest that has engulfed downtown Washington this week.

On Wednesday, protesters, former national security officials, and legal analysts raised alarms about the refusal of these units to identify their specific agency, and the legal authority under which they are operating.

... “There is no generic DOJ police force, obviously. No badges, no identifying info, refusal to say who they represent — it’s like Russia’s 'little green men' have taken over the nation’s capital,” tweeted Matt Miller, a former DOJ spokesman under President Barack Obama.

... Legal analysts have raised questions about what statute authorizes BOP’s use in civil law enforcement efforts. Those nitty-gritty rules dictate what kind of authority the units have — like the power to arrest citizens, for example. That, in turn, dictates how civilians can seek redress for any abuses of power.

... “Unacceptable for uniformed federal officers policing constitutionally-protected assemblies to refuse to identify themselves to people who pay their salaries,” tweeted Rep. Don Beyer, D, who represents northern Virginia’s 8th congressional district, directly across the Potomac River from Washington. “Denying accountability to the public they serve ensures abuses.” Arlington County, in Beyer’s district, on Tuesday pulled their police forces out of Washington, saying it did not want to participate in Trump’s escalation and commingling of security forces against the protests.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 04, 2020, 04:50:00 PM
Orange Is the New Black

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/09d7b891b3a2d5785043164348246e05acfc6de9/3192_0_9608_4800/master/9608.jpg?width=465&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=8f4a6b3e1afd5e85eae255578fbfbfc9)
Ex-officers (L-R) ex-officers Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Kiernan Lane booking photo.

The men are at the Hennepin County Jail. Derek Chauvin was charged yesterday with second degree murder after Minnesota attorney general Keith Ellison took over the case, an upgrade of the third degree murder charge brought last week by the Hennepin County prosecutor.

Chauvin is detained in state prison.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 04, 2020, 05:01:58 PM
Thanks, as always, vox

This is huge. Cops who allow fellow cops to commit attrocities are on notice that they can be charged.

Meanwhile, it looks like it's only a matter of time before the entire Mpls police department is dismantled.

More and more public and private institutions are severing all ties with them. Any one of these would not be a very big deal, but together they are a powerful and very loud voice from more and more of the major central institutions of the city that they no longer see the MPD as a legitimate and trustworthy institution.

Minneapolis Park Board, Park Police, First Avenue, Walker Art Center Join List Of Those Cutting Ties With Minneapolis Police

This on top of the very large University of Minnesota as well as the public school board

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/03/minneapolis-park-board-park-police-walker-art-center-join-list-of-those-cutting-ties-with-minneapolis-police/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 04, 2020, 05:31:40 PM
^ Stay safe, wili ...

US Park Police Investigate Attack On Australian Journalists
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/floyd-protests-esper-opposes-trump-threat-send-military-200603145130628.html

The US Park Police said it has placed two officers on administrative leave after video showed two Australian journalists being attacked during Monday night's protest in Washington, DC.

Acting Chief Gregory T. Monahan said the attack is being investigated.

Video captured by WJLA-TV in Washington showed reporter Amanda Brace and cameraman Tim Myers being assaulted as law enforcement officials cleared an area near the White House so Trump could walk to a nearby church that had been damaged during the demonstrations the previous night for a photo-op.

https://youtu.be/2L1gZApugd0

The journalists were reporting live for Australia's Channel 7 on the demonstrations protesting George Floyd's death at police hands in Minnesota.

"As is consistent with our established practices and procedures, two US Park Police officers have been assigned to administrative duties, while an investigation takes place regarding the incident with the Australian Press," Monahan said in a statement posted on Twitter.

Australia's ambassador to the United States has complained about the attack that the network's news director Craig McPherson described as "nothing short of wanton thuggery".

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Deputy Mayor In Maine Charged In Case of Racist Floyd Post
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/floyd-protests-esper-opposes-trump-threat-send-military-200603145130628.html

The deputy mayor of a Maine city has resigned and was charged with filing a false report after he said someone hacked his social media account to make racist statements about the George Floyd killing.

Brewer police said Thomas Morelli was charged in relation to the incident, the Bangor Daily News reported on Wednesday.

Morelli issued a statement in which he said he is "ashamed of my comments and behavior" and acknowledged his participation in "Facebook trolling."

Morelli had told police on Monday that someone had gained access to his Facebook account to post racist comments about Floyd.

An investigation determined that Morelli made the comments, police said.


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Video Shows North Carolina Police Using Chemical Agents On 'Boxed-In' Protesters
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/floyd-protests-esper-opposes-trump-threat-send-military-200603145130628.html

The police department in Charlotte, North Carolina, is coming under criticism after a video posted to social media appeared to show officers using chemical agents on demonstrators who were boxed in while protesting the death of George Floyd.

The video appears to show demonstrators marching down the street when police used chemical agents to disperse them. Protesters turned to run in the other direction, but officers on that side blocked their path. Chemical agents were apparently deployed from both directions.

The video was recorded Tuesday night by Justin LaFrancois, co-founder and publisher of the alternative Charlotte newspaper Queen City Nerve. He said officers fired tear gas and flashbangs from behind the protesters, and in front of them, as well. He also said officers perched on top of buildings were firing pepper balls down on the crowd.

Video at: https://twitter.com/i/status/1268024560726749186

and https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article243232181.html

"We were completely trapped," LaFrancois said. "There was one way to get out, and half of the group did go out that way through the tear gas and through the pepper balls. But for the rest of us, the only route of escape ... was to pull up a gate on the parking structure that we were pressed up against."

LaFrancois said people tried to squeeze under the 6-inch opening in the gate. But as they looked for an exit from the parking deck, he said officers began firing pepper balls after they entered the deck from the other side.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg police said on Twitter that they are looking into the incident.

(In military tactics that's called a kill box)

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDy4iIdJMms

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Arrests at widespread US protests hit 10,000
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/floyd-protests-esper-opposes-trump-threat-send-military-200603145130628.html

More than 10,000 people have been arrested in protests across the US, according to an Associated Press tally of known arrests.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 04, 2020, 05:53:33 PM
Sen. Lindsey Graham - December 2015 said a Trump nomination “would be an utter, complete and total disaster. If you’re a xenophobic, race-baiting, religious bigot, you’re going to have a hard time being president of the United States, and you’re going to do irreparable damage to the party.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham - June 2020 on Fox News said that former Sect of Defense Jim Mattis [on his excoriation of Trump] has been suckered by the anti-Trump "liberal media," just amazing.

What a duplicitous lizard.

(https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/239848_rgb_768.png?resize=500x500)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 04, 2020, 07:28:27 PM
<removed>

What is the upside to ASIF of allowing this type of racist posting to continue?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: be cause on June 04, 2020, 07:43:53 PM
Hi Phoenix .. seems i can't remove him but I can remove his posts .. I have and I will .. b.c.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 04, 2020, 09:17:36 PM
For some reason, you don't see shit like that in the news!

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/WinStupidPrizes/comments/gwcbsb/spread_this_shit_notice_how_the_news_isnt_showing/

(Video at link)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 04, 2020, 09:38:24 PM
U.S. spends twice as much on law and order as it does on social welfare, data show

Link >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/04/us-spends-twice-much-law-order-it-does-social-welfare-data-show/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 04, 2020, 10:32:32 PM
Thanks, Phoenix.

Trans folks, and Black trans folks in particularly, are disproportionately victims of beatings and worse in pretty much every community, and especially by the police.

Is alex (thanks vox) gonna call the cops 'animals' for that and all the other violence they are and have ever been  perpetrating on the community?

Clearly, calling them 'animals' here is pure and open racism that should not be tolerated on this or any other forum with any smidgen of self respect

ETA: Ah, I see the initial post and the copy have been deleted. Good work, mods!
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 05, 2020, 12:04:25 AM
^ alex not Arch, wili

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Crews are now adding concrete, Jersey barriers now being added, fortifying the new steel wall that is surrounding The White House as #GeorgeFloyd protests continue.
Video at: https://mobile.twitter.com/FitzFox5DC/status/1268590548467748864

(https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/lk060420dapr.jpg?resize=550x550)

As Nick Confessore of the New York Times put it on Twitter today, “Trump began his term promising to build a wall to protect America from the world. He ends it building a wall to protect himself from Americans.”

Trump insisted yesterday that he did not visit the White House bunker on Friday night because protesters were clashing with law enforcement officers outside, as had been widely reported, but instead had been down there briefly during the day for a quick inspection.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/03/trump-bunker-george-floyd-protests

Carol Leonnig of the Washington Post duly disproved that, but who’s even counting how many fibs the president tells about reported fact anymore?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-moved-trump-to-secure-bunker-friday-after-protesters-breached-temporary-fences-near-white-house-complex/2020/06/03/e4ae77c2-a5b9-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html?itid=ap_carold.%20leonnig

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We Crunched the Numbers: Police — Not Protesters — Are Overwhelmingly Responsible for Attacking Journalists
https://theintercept.com/2020/06/04/journalists-attacked-police-george-floyd-protests/

We are witnessing a truly unprecedented attack on press freedom in the United States, with journalists are being systematically targeted while covering the nationwide protests over the killing of George Floyd by Minneapolis police.

The scale of the attacks is so large, it can be hard to fathom. At the U.S. Press Freedom Tracker, a project of Freedom of the Press Foundation and the Committee to Protect Journalists, we catalogued 150 press freedom violations in the United States in all of 2019. We are currently investigating 280 from just the last week.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/business/media/reporters-protests-george-floyd.html

https://pressfreedomtracker.us/

https://cpj.org/

Police are responsible for the vast majority of assaults on journalists: over 80 percent.

At the Tracker, we document violence against journalists from all perpetrators, whether it comes from the police, protesters, or bat-wielding racist vigilantes (yes, that really happened). And the data could not be more clear.

Here is a breakdown of our preliminary numbers, as of the morning of June 4

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zk9oFDJ3Ocbz80Z1ISSW4Sd5xv1vQTj_tF8KCbPsZxs/edit#gid=0

As you can see, out of the 180 assaults we are investigating, 149 of them have been by police. That’s almost 83 percent. (This number also does not include police arresting journalists, which have occurred at least another 45 times.)

Even if you remove all the times police have purposefully fired on and seriously injured journalists with their extremely dangerous “crowd control” weapons, the police have physically assaulted journalists at a greater rate as well. Out of the 67 physical assaults, 42 have been by police. Further, some of the assaults from private citizens have not come from protesters either. For example, WHYY reporter Jon Ehrens was beaten up by what appears to be police-aligned white nationalists in Philadelphia.

https://twitter.com/jwehrens/status/1267621976379740170

https://twitter.com/uspresstracker/status/1267547641640095744

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Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 05, 2020, 02:19:23 AM
DHS Bulletin: Ongoing Violence, Information Narratives Nationwide Poses Continued Threat to Law Enforcement
https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-OngoingViolenceThreatLawEnforcement.pdf

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pdf 3 pages

... (U//FOUO) Separately, on 27 May, users of a white supremacist extremist Telegram channel attempted to incite followers to engage in violence and start the “boogaloo”—a term used by some violent extremists to refer to the start of a second Civil War—by shooting in a crowd, according to DHS reporting.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 05, 2020, 04:58:47 AM
r we gonna let the elevator break us down...

oh no

let's go
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 05, 2020, 05:00:12 AM
We're not eager to get back to normal

We're planning on how to go forward

to something that will be better

than the old fucking normal...
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 05, 2020, 05:44:54 AM
to paraphrase chris h

“I do not fight fascists because I will win. I fight fascists because they are [fucking] fascists.”
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 05, 2020, 07:09:28 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/vallejo-police-kill-unarmed-man-california

Another unarmed human being killed by cops in Vallejo, CA.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 05, 2020, 07:40:10 AM
Buffalo Police Officers Suspended After Video Shows Them Shoving Protester
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1225451

(https://media14.s-nbcnews.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Video/202006/f_mo_la_buffalo_shove_200604.jpg)

Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown said he was "deeply disturbed" by the video of a 75-year-old man being knocked to the ground during a protest.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KatieGibasTV/status/1268702159295655938

In the video, the man can be seen approaching a large group of officers in tactical gear and saying something. The officers yell for him to move back before one appears to push him.

The man stumbles backward and falls. Seconds later, a pool of blood can be seen near his head.

...The man was 75 years old, the statement notes, and is in a stable but serious condition in hospital.


https://mobile.twitter.com/MayorByronBrown/status/1268741779030933507

Warning: Graphic video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1ww-Xq0yZfw

14 officers walked past the bleeding man like he was garbage without offering aid.

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'Senseless' and 'Wrong': North Carolina Mayor Condemns Police Destruction of Medics' Tent
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3148803001

ASHEVILLE, N.C. – The Asheville Police Department's aggressive dismantling of a volunteer medical station 15 minutes after curfew has set off calls for accountability across the city and beyond.

Video by the Citizen Times of the Tuesday incident shows Asheville police officers in riot gear and holding shields, forming a protective circle around officers stomping and stabbing water bottles. Other officers destroyed medical supplies such as bandages and saline solution.

https://www.citizen-times.com/videos/news/local/2020/06/03/asheville-police-destroy-water-bottles-medic-area/3133824001/

For some, officers' actions are emblematic of the very brutality protesters were railing against during protests of George Floyd's death at the hands of police.

https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2020/06/03/asheville-protests-mostly-peaceful-ends-tear-gas-after-curfew-george-floyd/3130666001/

... Prentice said they were at a "city-approved medical station" near One World Brewing, and all were wearing clothing "that identified us all clearly as medics." Prentice also noted that the "licensed trauma doctors with us had obtained explicit inclusion under the medical provision of the curfew" to be there.

"At the stroke of 8 p.m., the APD targeted us first, bashing peaceful medics of all colors (with our hands in the air) into the walls, lifting us off our feet, and throwing us out into the streets," Prentice stated. "They intentionally slashed every water bottle and every piece of medical supplies there, then gassed them all so that we would give people chemical burns if we tried to help them."

Prentice described these as "military tactics" used to "destroy supply lines ."

... Police Chief David Zack said water bottles were destroyed because protesters had used them as weapons.

Police destroyed other items because they were looking for explosives, according to the statement. Among the supplies were tampons and granola bars.

Business owner George Frangos was bothered by Zack's assertion that the volunteers were not given permission to be on the property.

Frangos expressly allowed volunteers to use the alleyway shared by his restaurant, One World Brewing and Salsa's.

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Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Aporia_filia on June 05, 2020, 10:01:28 AM
In this forum there are hundreds of news and science information enough for all of us to make a radical change in the way we live.
But not even the 'conscious' members of the forum dare doing so (with glorious exceptions).

From Wili:
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We're not eager to get back to normal

We're planning on how to go forward

to something that will be better

than the old fucking normal...


I have to keep thinking that part of our evolution as humanity has been becoming more and more domesticated.

Is so easy for a human to live in a bubble of illusion!

Again, all my support, Wili and rest of 'brothers'
Love and Change!
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Aporia_filia on June 05, 2020, 10:32:09 AM

"A new solidarity movement is emerging. From Los Angeles to Sao Paulo, from Minneapolis to London, Black Lives Matter is a cry and demand heard around the world.

The message of this movement is powerfully simple: Stop killing Black people-in their homes, in the streets, and traveling by sea to safer shores. Yet in its simplicity it contains the seed of a radical transformation in our planetary system, raging against a racist dispossession machine to bring about collective and communal liberation everywhere.

The last decade has seen a radical shift in two terrifying directions: turning inward and taking drastic action. A new cohort of authoritarixs has rejected international cooperation in a retreat into the nation-state and its ancient myths of blood and soil. A new set of surveillance technologies has made us retreat further, reinforcing and militarizing state control over our communities. In addition, the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic has forced us into greater isolation, introducing in some cases the threat of a permanent state of emergency and associated martial law.

Around the world, protest movements are rising and spreading. In the streets of Santiago, young Chileans demonstrated against the widespread conditions of poverty, precariousness and police violence. Across India, millions of activists faced racism and anti-Muslim violence from the Modi government. And in Lebanon, demonstrators have challenged the closure to demand their basic rights to food, water, health care and education.

These are the planetary conditions in which protests have erupted across the United States. However, there is something exceptional about these protests - if only that they expose a deep rift in the doctrine of "American exceptionalism". We cannot ignore the particular hypocrisy of the hegemon, which boasts to the world of its "mission accomplished" and the freedoms granted while oppressing its black, brown and native populations in its own land. Nor should we overlook the openness that these protests have generated to break with this hegemonic power and move towards a decolonized and multipolar world.

An opening is an opening, not a guarantee. The scenes that have emerged from these international protests are those of a system at a breaking point. But there is no guarantee of the direction in which it will break down. It would be a grave mistake to underestimate the reactionary forces and their ability to seize the current opportunity to advance their repressive vision of "LAW & ORDER! (LAW & ORDER!), as President Trump so succinctly tweeted.

Our challenge, now and as always, is to organize: to turn these spontaneous expressions of solidarity into an enduring international movement to dismantle institutions of racist state violence and investigate human rights abuses by U.S. police departments, its prison system, and in particular its military.

That is why we founded Progressive International: to make solidarity more than a slogan. The marches in cities like Auckland and Amsterdam have sent an important signal to the US Government that the world is watching. But witnessing is not enough. Our task is to demonstrate the ways in which our solidarity can go beyond borders to give meaningful support to people fighting unequal battles in thousands of places around the world.

That means learning from the struggles of people against state violence, as in the case of the Lebanese activists who compiled a toolkit for protesters across the United States. That means providing resources, where possible, to support victims of police violence and their families. And it means identifying our respective roles in this planetary system, wherever we live, and delivering justice in our own communities.

Not all solidarity is equal. All too often, expressions of outrage about what's happening "over there" serve as a mask to ignore, dismiss, or somehow minimize the ritual violence that occurs here. Those Europeans marching to withdraw funds from the Minneapolis police could demand that their own governments stop funding Frontex, the EU border authority responsible for illegal expulsions and deportations across the Mediterranean.

The same thing happens in the opposite direction. The expansion of the US empire through the unlimited financing of its military-industrial complex has caused a boomerang effect in the country itself, arming the local police forces with the same equipment that the US has deployed in its endless wars abroad. If the protests in the United States are to give rise to a new sense of solidarity among its citizens, they must be extended to all the populations that have suffered from US imperial aggression and sustained occupation, especially the native populations on whose dispossession the nation itself was founded.

The infrastructure of the racist police is already international. Law enforcement agencies in the United States are trained by the Israeli army. U.S. arms producers supply police forces throughout Brazil. US companies provide the Indian government with surveillance technology. And American methods of stop-and-frisk (detention and search) in minority neighborhoods have been exported around the world.

The task of our Progressive International is to take stock of this international infrastructure - to listen to the activists and organizers who have dedicated their lives to this struggle - and to work with them to dismantle it: brick by brick, dollar by dollar, police department by police department."

Signatories:

Noam Chomsky, Hilda Heine, Ece Temelkuran, Gael García Bernal, Áurea Carolina, Celso Amorim, Renata Avila, Srecko Horvat, Scott Ludam, Carola Rackete, Yanis Varoufakis, John McDonnell, Andres Arauz, Alicia Castro, David Adler, Aruna Roy, Nikhil Dey, Ertuğrul Kürkçü, Nick Estes, Paola Vega and Eli Alcorta Gomez

Link to Progressive International: https://progressive.international/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: bluice on June 05, 2020, 10:40:58 AM
There are now loads and loads of actual footage showing police and other uniformed authorities using force against unarmed and peaceful protesters and the media. We see them from all over the US. They are not localized events or individual bad apples crossing the line.

When can we call this a systematic attack against constitutional free speech in America? The president is tweeting his orders and the authorities are executing them. We've recently seen it's ok to openly carry weapons in demonstrations. What isn't allowed is to oppose the administration's ideals.

Granted, in times like these it is easy to lose oneself in propaganda and media blizz. This isn't the first act of police brutality or the first race riot in the US. However the contrast to for example the Occupy protests is staggering. In 2020 America is looking very much like an authoritarian state.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 05, 2020, 08:04:13 PM
Let's talk about how we've seen enough...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgGORxzuoxQ
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 05, 2020, 08:22:52 PM
Minneapolis City Council taking first steps to ‘dismantle’ police department

Has that been done anywhere else?

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/minneapolis-city-council-taking-first-steps-to-dismantle-police-department/

ETA: Ah, just saw this from a tweet that was quoted a ways down in the article:

"Camden, New Jersey completely disbanded & reconstituted its police force."

Maybe worth looking into how that went...
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 05, 2020, 08:55:08 PM
DC

(https://i.imgur.com/GNNLy6B.png)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 05, 2020, 09:41:00 PM
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Black Lives Matter affiliate Movement for Black Lives spent thousands of dollars to produce cloth face masks for protestors to send all around the United States. Some of the masks, which read “Stop Killing Black People” and “Defund Police,” have been seized by law enforcement.

Link >> https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/feds-seize-stop-killing-black-people-face-masks/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 06, 2020, 02:04:39 AM
New York State: 57 Police Resign to Support Officers Fired for Shoving 75-Year-Old
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/05/new-york-state-57-police-resign-to-support-officers-fired-for-shoving-75-year-old

More than 50 police officers in Buffalo have resigned in support of two colleagues who were suspended after video showed them shoving a 75-year-old peace activist to the ground who then cracked his head and was hospitalized with severe injuries.

The resigning 57 officers comprised the entire Buffalo police department (BDP) emergency response team. They will still be employed by BDP and be paid, but they will no longer work on the emergency response team.

... The brutal attack on Martin Gugino by the Buffalo police seemed to strike a particular chord.

Video from the public radio station WBFO shows Gugino approaching a line of helmeted officers holding batons as they clear demonstrators from Niagara Square around the time of an 8pm curfew. Two officers push Gugino backward, and he hits his head on the pavement. Blood spills as officers walk past. One officer leans down to check on the injured man before he is urged along by another officer.

... “Why? Why was that necessary? Where was the threat?” asked the New York governor, Andrew Cuomo, at his daily briefing on Friday, saying he had spoken to Gugino. “It’s just fundamentally offensive and frightening. How did we get to this place?”

But the local police union boss defended his officers. “Fifty-seven resigned in disgust because of the treatment of two of their members, who were simply executing orders,” said John Evans, PBA president, according to WGRZ.

(https://i.redd.it/0ciww1u457h01.jpg)

Buffalo police initially said in a statement that a person “was injured when he tripped & fell”, WIVB-TV reported before the video surfaced , but later opened an investigation as condemnation spread and the lie was exposed.

... Gugino is a retiree who lives by himself in the area, say friends who describe him as a veteran peace activist driven by his faith and a desire for social justice. He is involved with the Western New York Peace Center and Latin American Solidarity Committee, said Vicki Ross, the center’s executive director.

... He made a judgment to stay out after the curfew because he feels that our civil liberties are so in danger, which they most certainly are.”

His Twitter timeline includes tweets and retweets supportive of progressive causes and critical of police. One tweet from Wednesday read: “The cops should not have clubs. And should not be in riot gear. The National Guard should arrest the police.”

Ross said Gugino has been undergoing chemotherapy for cancer.

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Video Documents Attacks On Journalists During Floyd Protests
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/trump-great-day-george-floyd-remark-slammed-live-200605151040283.html

Hundreds of journalists from across the globe have gotten caught in the crossfire between protesters demonstrating against the death of George Floyd and law enforcement officials attempting to rein them in. Some have been deliberately targeted by those law enforcement officials, as the video compilation by the Committee to Protect Journalists demonstrates. Since the protests began on May 26, more than 250 abridgments of press freedom have been reported across the US by journalists covering the demonstrations, according to the CPJ.

Video at: https://mobile.twitter.com/pressfreedom/status/1268941933457612806

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US Park Police Admit 'Mistake' In Saying Tear Gas Wasn't Used On Peaceful Protesters
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/trump-great-day-george-floyd-remark-slammed-live-200605151040283.html

US Park Police spokesperson Sergeant Eduardo Delgado admitted on Friday that it was a "mistake" to deny that tear gas was used to disperse peaceful protesters ahead of a controversial photo-op in front of a DC church.

Media reports challenged a Tuesday statement from the Park Police that said tear gas was not used to "secure" the area in downtown DC where Trump took a photo in front of a church that was damaged during protests against police brutality.

The statement said smoke bombs and pepper spray projectiles were used, but did not consider these to be tear gas.

"I'm not saying it's not a tear gas, but I'm just saying we use a pepper ball that shoots a powder", Delgado  said in an interview with Vox.

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/5/21281604/lafayette-square-white-house-tear-gas-protest

"The point is we admitted to using what we used," Delgado said. "I think the term 'tear gas' doesn't even matter anymore. It was a mistake on our part for using 'tear gas' because we just assumed people would think CS or CN".

CS and CN are two common types of tear gas, Vox reported.

Delgado said the USPP statement was correct in relation to the conduct of the park police.

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Minneapolis to Ban Chokeholds by Police
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/trump-great-day-george-floyd-remark-slammed-live-200605151040283.html

Negotiators for the city of Minneapolis have agreed with the state to ban the use of chokeholds by police, and to require police to report and intervene any time they see an unauthorized use of force by another officer.

The moves are part of a stipulation between the city and the Minnesota Department of Human Rights, which launched a civil rights investigation this week in response to the death of George Floyd in police custody. The City Council is expected to approve the agreement Friday.

The agreement, which will be enforceable in court, would require any officer, regardless of tenure or rank, to immediately report the use of any neck restraint or chokehold from the scene to their commander or their commander's superiors.

Similarly, any officer who sees another officer commit any unauthorized use of force, including any chokehold or neck restraint, must try to intervene verbally and even physically. If they don't, they'd be subject to discipline as severe as if they themselves had used the prohibited force.

The agreement also requires authorization from the police chief or a designated deputy chief to use crowd control weapons, including chemical agents, rubber bullets, flash-bangs, batons, and marking rounds. And it requires more timely decisions on disciplining officers.

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Alabama Police Investigating Cross Burning
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/trump-great-day-george-floyd-remark-slammed-live-200605151040283.html

Police are investigating a cross burning on a bridge in Macon County.

Macon County Sherriff Andre Brunson says the burning cross was seen on top of a bridge over Interstate 85 on Thursday night. Brunson says deputies arrived and helped extinguish the fire.

John Bolton, a motorist who called 911, told WRBL-TV there was a cross, burning tire and fuel canister.

The sheriff says there are no suspects so far.

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EU Express Concerns About Policing In US
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/trump-great-day-george-floyd-remark-slammed-live-200605151040283.html

European Union lawmakers are expressing concern about U.S. police action linked to the death of George Floyd.

The incidents were debated by the EU parliament's Subcommittee on Human Rights as the protest movement since Floyd's death gathered pace in Europe and around the world.

Finnish Greens lawmaker Heidi Hautala says "the police should not be there to shoot when some loot. The police should be there to protect, and it is clear that widespread reforms in the law enforcement in the United States are needed."

Irish EU lawmaker Sean Kelly says some of the problem is due to a failure of leadership. He says what happened in the United States is "chilling in the extreme. I think it indicates what can happen when you have poor leadership.

"Leaders can either divide or unite. Good unite. Bad divide. That's what we see unfortunately in America at the moment."

Swedish liberal parliamentarian Karin Karlsbro says "America has a long and tragic history on police brutality. At the heart of this lies racism and segregation based on history. This is a systematic problem that needs to be addressed at all levels in the U.S."


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Ohio’s governor said an Ohio national guard member was removed from a mission in DC for expressing white supremacist ideology online.

Republican governor Mike DeWine said the FBI had uncovered information on the member’s online activity prior to the assignment to DC, where thousands of national guard troops have been sent in response to the city’s George Floyd protests.

“While I fully support everyone’s right to free speech, guardsmen and women are sworn to protect all of us, regardless of race, ethnic background or religion,” DeWine said.

“Anyone who displays a malice toward specific groups of Americans has no place in the Ohio national guard.”

DeWine said it was “highly likely” the person would be permanently removed from the guard once the FBI concludes its investigation.

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Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: sidd on June 06, 2020, 02:24:41 AM
Buffalo brutality: Befehl ist Befehl

"simply executing orders"

"video showed them shoving a 75-year-old protester who struck his head on the pavement and immediately started bleeding onto the pavement"

"The special response unit ... is deployed to manage mass demonstrations and riots. They are the ... best trained officers in the department for these situations"

"Don’t put them out there if you don’t want them to do the job ... officers doing exactly what they’re supposed to"

"they tried to fuck over these guys like I have never seen"

https://www.investigativepost.org/2020/06/05/police-unit-resigns-in-protest/

Who are we supposed to fear, again ?

sidd
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Pmt111500 on June 06, 2020, 07:47:05 AM
Just saw an FB post that listed some 20 persons who were 'accidentally killed' by police in various US states. It looks like being a US custom to single out some persons to represent  wider ideas, like common decency and justice.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 07:52:33 AM
Chile Suspends Use of Tear Gas Amid Concerns Over Miscarriages

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Chile’s Interior Minister announced Wednesday that the country’s police forces will be temporarily prohibited from using tear gas against protesters after a study by the University of Chile showed that CS gas, also known as chlorobenzylidene malonontrite, may cause miscarriages and harm young children.
“There’s a probability that the chemical substances in tear gas can affect reproductive function, damage the fetus in the last trimester of pregnancy and children in the first years of life,” said Andrei Tchernitchin, a toxicology expert at the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Chile.

Link >> https://latindispatch.com/2011/05/19/chile-suspends-use-of-tear-gas-amid-concerns-over-miscarriages/

Meanwhile, in the oh so pro-life US, the police are teargassing pregnant women.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 01:50:26 PM
[Podcast]

Sawbones: The Black Panthers and Public Health

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If you received the typical, white-centric education, you probably associate the Black Panthers only with violence and political protest. This week on Sawbones, we talk about their work in medical research advocacy and creating public health programs that sought to make life better for all black and oppressed people.


Webplayer >> https://overcast.fm/+XW2JiwZvs
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 04:54:32 PM
Black lives matter protests in Berlin.

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/berlin/comments/gxqvci/protest_today_at_alexanderplatz/

(Video at link)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 05:17:30 PM
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WASHINGTON, April 11 [1] -- U.S. forces should not be blamed for the lawlessness and looting in Baghdad as it is a natural consequence of the transition from a dictatorship to a free country, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Friday at the Pentagon.

Link >> https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2003/04/11/Rumsfeld-Looting-is-transition-to-freedom/63821050097983/

[1] 2003
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 05:22:51 PM
@TallPaul612 on Twitter:

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Why are people scared of the riots and looting?

The flu kills way more people every year.

Link >> https://twitter.com/TallPaul612/status/1268049839335538688
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 06:42:02 PM
From the 'totally true Chinese anti-US propaganda' department: (Woops, i confused the author with someone else. It's NOT Chinese propaganda. Alan Macleod is a writer for i.e. Guardian, Commondreams, and others)

George Floyd Protests: US Arrests Now Higher Than Hong Kong Protest Total Figures

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While the world condemns China for its response to the Hong Kong protests, the numbers and the images make clear that the US has responded to its popular uprising with more force and less tolerance than Beijing

Link >> https://www.mintpressnews.com/george-floyd-protests-us-arrests-now-higher-than-hong-kong-protest-total-figures/268292/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 07:17:52 PM
Great Moments in Peaceful Protest History

(https://i.redd.it/buq5r2nt59351.png)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 08:26:30 PM
@ggreenwald on Twitter

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Iranian Foreign Ministry’s emotional appeal to US Govt to stop using police brutality against their own people in their right of protest.

If your first reaction to this is to think about Iranian repression, ponder how similar denunciations from the US Govt sound to the world:

Link >> https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1267442470163488772?s=20

(Video at link)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 08:39:45 PM
This is amazing!  ;D

Tucker Carlson's 'Law And Order' Speech Didn't Go As Planned...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqw-CkY2XSU
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 09:13:31 PM
Do you know why he is sweating?

(https://i.redd.it/nw4tch6ns4351.jpg)

by Woodrow White
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 09:17:06 PM
From David Fitzsimmons with the Arizona Daily Star:

(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/tucson.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/a2/fa206a72-5341-5efc-869a-58550efaea68/5ed69854edd16.image.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 09:20:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oFYgsj6.jpg)

(Artist unknown)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 06, 2020, 09:25:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/SUi1UJn.jpg)

Bansky
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 06, 2020, 11:40:29 PM
Portland Mayor Tells Cops to Stop Using Deafening Sound Cannon to Break Up Protests
https://gizmodo.com/portland-mayor-tells-cops-to-stop-using-deafening-sound-1843933614

Police in Portland, Oregon deployed a controversial sound cannon to disperse protestors early Friday morning, the Willamette Week reported. Called a long-range acoustic device or LRAD, it can generate a piercing tone so loud that its potential to cause serious health effects has resulted in a federal lawsuit.

In a press conference Friday, Portland Police Bureau Assistant Chief Chris Davis said officers used a “long-range acoustic device” that can “emit a tone that is very hard to be around” sometime after 1:30 a.m. after a police broadcasting vehicle “came under attack,” according to the Willamette Week’s report

While LRADs were originally developed as military weapons to deter terrorist attacks, police departments nationwide began adding them to their crowd control arsenals in 2004. LRADs can project messages up to 600 meters away and officers primarily use them to direct crowds and shriek commands over long distances. However, these devices also come equipped with a “deterrent” function that blasts a series of high-pitched tones that can reach more than 150 decibels on some models (basically the equivalent of a gunshot or firecracker going off). Anything above the 120-decibel mark can “cause immediate harm to your ears,” according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/hearing_loss/what_noises_cause_hearing_loss.html

People unlucky enough to be nearby when cops have sounded these devices off in the past said they developed migraines, sinus pain, dizziness, and ringing in their ears as a result of the sonic blasts. A federal judge ruled in 2017 that the sound emitted by LRADs could be considered a form of excessive force. At the moment, a federal lawsuit is pending in New York that challenges the NYPD’s use of LRADs at a 2014 demonstration.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/LRAD.pdf

A similar-looking auditory device was spotted in Orlando, Florida on Friday, and the makers behind LRADs, Genasys Inc., claimed in a press release this week that police departments across the country are deploying them

“Police departments in Portland OR, San Jose, CA, Colorado Springs, CO, Phoenix, AZ, Columbus, OH, Charleston, SC, Ft. Lauderdale, FL, and other cities used LRAD systems to communicate unlawful assembly and other orders to crowds after recent protests turned violent,” the company wrote.

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The LRAD Sound Cannon is an acoustic weapon and communication device…

Developed by the LRAD corporation to broadcast messages and pain-inducing "deterrent" tones over long distances, LRAD devices come in various iterations that produce varying degrees of sound. They can be mounted to a vehicle or handheld. The device produces a sound that can be directed in a beam up to 30-degree wide, and the military-grade LRAD 2000X can transmit voice commands at up to 162dB up to 5.5 miles away.

The LRAD corporation says that anyone within a 100 meters of the device's sound path will experience extreme pain. ... The 500x is capable of short bursts of directed sound that cause severe headaches in anyone within a 300-meter range. Anyone within 15 meters of the device's audio path can experience permanent hearing loss. LRAD claims the device is not a weapon, but a "directed-sound communication device."

https://youtu.be/QSMyY3_dmrM

Human discomfort starts when a sound hits 120dB, well below the LRAD's threshold. Permanent hearing loss begins at 130dB, and if the device is turned up to 140dB, anyone within its path would not only suffer hearing loss, they could potentially lose their balance and be unable to move out of the path of the audio. The device is also entirely operator dependent, which could lead to serious ramifications if the officer in charge doesn't have sufficient training.

https://gizmodo.com/what-is-the-lrad-sound-cannon-5860592

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2 Officers Relieved of Police Powers Amid Investigation Into Arrest at Brickyard Mall
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/2-officers-relieved-of-police-powers-amid-investigation-into-arrest-at-brickyard-mall/2285339/?amp

Two officers involved in an arrest outside Chicago's Brickyard Mall have been relieved of their police powers pending an investigation into the incident, Chicago Police Supt. David Brown said Friday.

The announcement comes after the Federal Bureau of Investigation said it is looking into the violent arrest that was captured on video, according to the Cook County State's Attorney's office.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/fbi-investigating-violent-arrest-at-brickyard-mall-states-attorney-says/2284898/?amp

"The Cook County State's Attorney's office has launched an investigation into possible criminal charges related to the incident at Brickyard Mall, " State's Attorney Kim Foxx said at a news conference.

... The incident unfolded on Sunday, while bystanders recorded cell phone video at the Brickyard Mall in Chicago’s Belmont Cragin neighborhood.

The video appears to show multiple officers swarm a vehicle in the parking lot, break the car’s windows and pull out several people.

Mia Wright, an essential worker, said after she was thrown to the ground, the officer put his knee on her neck.

“All I thought about was what happened with George Floyd. It could have been another situation like that,” Wright said. “I didn’t do anything wrong.”

... “If the individual tried to speed off, that’s a different story, but we all saw the video. They didn’t try to run,” family attorney Nenye Uche said. “Why use that kind of force if you’re not trying to provoke fear and chaos?”

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Teargassed, Beaten Up, Arrested: What Freedom of the Press Looks Like In the US Right Now
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/06/george-floyd-protests-reporters-press-teargas-arrested

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/2e16ac4d777125a9bb1487c2bf4429da208f5fc0/0_260_3900_2340/master/3900.jpg?width=465&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=8d9d48de753a3562ecb5748f3abe9425)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 07, 2020, 12:56:45 AM
Tear Gas Is More Dangerous Than Police Let On—Especially During the Pandemic
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/06/tear-gas-is-more-dangerous-than-police-let-on-especially-during-the-pandemic/


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Denver Police Ordered to Stop Using Tear Gas, Plastic Bullets
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/trump-great-day-george-floyd-remark-slammed-live-200605151040283.html

A US District Court Judge ordered Denver police to stop using tear gas, plastic bullets and other "less-than-lethal" force such as flash grenades against protesters in the city.

The temporary injunction is in response to a local lawsuit filed by protesters complaining about excessive force used by officers during public demonstrations following Floyd's death.

"The Denver Police Department has failed in its duty to police its own," Judge R Brooke Jackson wrote in the ruling.

"The Court has reviewed video evidence of numerous incidents in which officers used pepper-spray on individual demonstrators who appeared to be standing peacefully, some of whom were speaking to or yelling at the officers, none of whom appeared to be engaging in violence or destructive behavior," Jackson wrote.

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Seattle Bans Police Use of Tear Gas On Protesters
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/trump-great-day-george-floyd-remark-slammed-live-200605151040283.html

Seattle's mayor has banned the police use of tear gas as protests continue over the killing of George Floyd.

Mayor Jenny Durkan said at a news conference on Friday that the ban would last for 30 days.

The move came hours after three civilian police watchdog groups urged city leaders to ban the use of tear gas to control demonstrators. The groups said the move would build public trust and should remain in place until the department adopts policies and training for use of the chemical agent

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California Governor Orders State Police to Stop Teaching Choke Holds
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/trump-great-day-george-floyd-remark-slammed-live-200605151040283.html

California Governor Gavin Newsom has ordered the state police training programme to stop teaching officers how to use a hold that can block the flow of blood to the brain.

Newsom, a Democrat, took the action after two weeks of protests across the country prompted by the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

Floyd died on Memorial Day after a police officer put his knee on his neck for nearly nine minutes.

Since then, some police departments have moved to end the use of carotid holds that stop or slow the flow of blood to the brain. Newsom said that hold has no place in the 21st century

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The US Army Has Grounded the Two Pilots Who Flew Low Over DC
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/06/us-army-has-grounded-two-pilots-who-flew-low-over-dc/165971/

Two U.S. Army National Guard helicopter pilots who flew at rooftop level over the heads of protestors on Monday night have been grounded pending the outcome of an investigation, Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy told reporters on Friday.

McCarthy also said members of the active military who had been deployed near Washington, D.C., are heading back to their home bases.

He said the pilots were grounded as part of the normal procedure during an Army investigation. He declined to speak in great detail about the incident, citing the investigation.

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Mayor in Washington State City Calls for Firing of Officers Involved in Deadly Shooting
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/trump-great-day-george-floyd-remark-slammed-live-200605151040283.html

The mayor of Tacoma, Washington has told the city manager to fire four police officers following the death of a Black man after police restrained him in March.

Mayor Victoria Woodards on Thursday night directed City Manager Elizabeth Pauli to fire the officers involved in the restraint of 33-year-old Manuel Ellis.

Her order comes as the country has been roiled by the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis. Four Minneapolis officers have been criminally charged. Woodards said the Tacoma officers should also be prosecuted in the death of Ellis.

"The officers who committed this crime should be fired and prosecuted to the full extent of the law," Woodards said in a statement aired live on Tacoma television and Facebook. "I am demanding tonight that the Pierce County Sheriff review and confirm every action taken by each officer."

The News Tribune reports the Pierce County medical examiner's office ruled Ellis's March 3 death a homicide caused by a lack of oxygen due to physical restraint. The newspaper reports methamphetamine intoxication and a heart disease were contributing factors.

Authorities have said Ellis appeared to be suffering from some sort of breakdown when they approached him. They said he attacked officers who were trying to calm him down.

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Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 07, 2020, 04:58:34 AM
White House Wanted 10k Active Duty Troops to Quell Protesters
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/06/politics/white-house-10k-troops-protesters/index.html

The White House wanted to have 10,000 active duty troops on the streets of Washington and other cities earlier this week to quell protesters, but Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and Chairman of the Joint of Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley pushed back at the use of any active duty troops, according to a senior defense official

A second defense official said Milley strongly felt the threshold -- informally described as dire circumstances -- for calling in active duty troops could not be met, opening the door to whether such a potential presidential order would be legal.

... The second defense official said despite a Saturday White House statement of support for Esper, both men remain aware they are at risk of Trump's ire and there is always the possibility their jobs are at risk.

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It's 2020, and the Senate Won't Pass an Anti-lynching Bill Because of Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/joan-mccarter/91041/its-2020-and-the-senate-wont-pass-an-anti-lynching-bill-because-of-rand-paul-and-mitch-mcconnell

The Emmett Till Antilynching Act passed the Democratic House 410-4 on Feb. 26. It was identical to a bill called the Justice for Victims of Lynching Act that the Senate had passed already by unanimous consent in December of 2018 and February 2019. (Identical except for the title.) When the Senate tried to pass it this year with unanimous consent, Sen. Rand Paul objected.

His argument is that he wants to "make it stronger." The last two times it passed in the Senate, when the House was in Republican control and hadn't taken up the bill, Paul had no issues with the wording of it. No, it wasn't until it could actually pass both chambers of Congress and become law that he objected. Now if it's going to pass, it has to compete for time on the floor with Sen. Mitch McConnell's slew of judicial confirmations. But McConnell isn't going to do that any more than he's going to pass any House bill. Even one that would make lynching a human being a federal crime, covered as a criminal civil rights violation.

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http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/cody-fenwick/91044/disturbing-video-exposes-the-dangerous-message-a-state-patrol-officer-told-team-don-t-kill-them-but-hi

Washington State Trooper:
"DON'T KILL THEM, BUT HIT THEM HARD."

Video at:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Bishop_Krystal/status/1268009974170451968

Chris Loftis, a spokesperson for the patrol, gave the Times a statement trying to explain away the comment as poor “word choice,” but it was not reassuring:
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 07, 2020, 09:57:35 AM
How To Cover These Police Riots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGxfNl9C6CQ
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 07, 2020, 12:26:15 PM
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Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 07, 2020, 12:53:55 PM
Quote
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after
that, had two enemies: The antiwar left and black people. You
understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it
illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the
public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with
heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt
those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their
homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after
night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about
the drugs? Of course, we did."

John Ehrlichman, Advisor to President Nixon
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 07, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
These Images Show Just How Massive the Floyd Protests Were on Saturday
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/images-show-massive-floyd-protests-saturday.amp

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Protesters stretch for more than five blocks, from Scott Circle NW to H Street NW, during demonstrations over the death of George Floyd near the White House on June 6, 2020 in Washington, D.C.

Video: Looking down 16th Street leading to the White House: nearly a mile of tens of thousands of demonstrators
https://mobile.twitter.com/Chopper4Brad/status/1269390663541547020

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Freedom Plaza during a protest against police brutality and racism on June 6, 2020 in Washington, D.C.

Video: The march on the Golden Gate Bridge has stopped all traffic. This is a captivating shot from our chopper.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ABC7Shack/status/1269369901346512896

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Protesters take to the streets on June 6, 2020 in Chicago, Illinois

Video: Thousands of people in Philadelphia continue to protest racism and police brutality following the death of George Floyd. Crowds in Center City stretched from the steps of the Art Museum and past the Cathedral Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NBCPhiladelphia/status/1269330816741650433

More from Philadelphia, Denver, Atlanta, Chicago, New York, Paris, London, Berlin, Sydney, Warsaw, and others
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 07, 2020, 02:05:41 PM
Thanks for these, as always, vox

I would guestimate that ten times those numbers would be on the street if it weren't for covid, and maybe more.

This includes nearly all my relatives, friends and neighbors.

And for every person who is strongly enough motivated to take his voice to the street, there are generally ten more who are sympathetic but not motivated or unable to join the protest.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 07, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
Someone has to be on the streets to keep the police in check...
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 07, 2020, 02:22:55 PM
Absolutely, but the brunt of that work, as is generally the case, has fallen on the relatively young.

I have been concerned that Trump, if/when he loses the next election, will simply declare the election invalid and establish a military dictatorship.

On the one hand, the actions of some in the military refusing to go along with Trump's recent plans, gives me some hope that he won't be able to do this.

On the other hand...

‘American secret police’? Trump deployment of unidentified law enforcement officials across DC sparks alarm

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/american-secret-police-trump-deployment-of-unidentified-law-enforcement-officials-across-dc-sparks-alarm/#comments_section_start

This is some scary sh!t (on top of all the other scary s!hit going on...)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 07, 2020, 02:47:33 PM
It's so frigging encouraging to see the people rising together. It's sad that the ruling class has given them such good cause to unite but we are finally witnessing a long overdue homeostatic mechanism kick in.

Putting the "we" back in "we the people". We are ONE !
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 08, 2020, 12:51:23 AM
9 of our 13 city council members here in Minneapolis announced their plans to dismantle the police department today...

Now all we have to do is dismantle racism ! :)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 08, 2020, 02:21:35 AM
Virginia Officer Charged In Use of Stun Gun On Black Man
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/protests-police-brutality-continue-europe-live-200607132432534.html

A white Virginia police officer was charged with assault and battery in connection with the use of a stun gun on a black man, authorities have announced.

Fairfax County police Officer Tyler Timberlake was trying to get the man into an ambulance to go to a detox centre on Friday, according to body camera video shown at a news conference late Saturday.

Timberlake is seen striking the man with a stun gun and then getting on top of him, along with the officer wearing the body camera. Once Timberlake is on top of the man, he presses the stun gun into the back of his neck and fires again.

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'Trump Is Tearing Apart America': How the World Sees the US Protests
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/tearing-apart-america-how-friends-and-foes-now-view-trumps-rule

... “Trump is shielding himself behind religious symbols while trying to seduce people to vote for him in the name of freedom, when it is precisely their freedom that leaders like him plan to abolish.”

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... Writing in the Spanish daily El País, Cristóbal Rovira Kaltwasser, a political scientist at Chile’s Diego Portales university and co-author of Populism, a Very Short Introduction, saw ill omens in the news from US cities, where the nationwide protests have overlapped with the crippling effects of the coronavirus outbreak.

“Trump is using the pandemic to position himself as a God-given saviour coming to avert an imminent catastrophe,” Kaltwasser wrote.

“His re-election, should it happen, will be considered – not least by him – as a clear indication that the time is right to push on with his radical, populist rightwing agenda. If that prediction is right, then Covid-19 will come to be seen as not just the bringer of death and recession in the US, but also as the forerunner that paved the way for the destruction of US democracy.”
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 08, 2020, 11:13:08 AM
Police: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf4cea5oObY
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 08, 2020, 11:32:29 AM
The Minneapolis city council voted 9-4 to defund the police department and look for alternative mechanisms to ensure public safety.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52960227

Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Aporia_filia on June 08, 2020, 11:39:46 AM
N. Chomsky:

https://www.newsclick.in/trump-wants-destroy-organised-human-life-noam-chomsky

Well, actually, what's happening serves a little purpose in nurturing hope. First of all, the murder of George Floyd is not an unusual event. I mean, these kinds of events used to happen with some frequency, but nobody paid any attention to them. What is promising, and it is difficult to say this in the midst of the riots, what is promising is that there is a reaction, and that shows that there has been a kind of improvement in the level of civilization of the country. Just as it went unnoticed before, at least many people were aware and did not participate before, now it does. However, let me offer a criticism of this, that is, I understand, I sympathise, that is all very well, but notice how attention is being focused on the other policemen: one of them is a murderer, but the other three stood by, they did nothing. Numerous complaints are coming in against the three who stood still.

    There's a reaction to Floyd's murder and that's promising. It shows that there's been a kind of improvement in the level of civilization in the country

"But it is useful to look in the mirror from time to time. Can you think of anyone who stood still, for, indeed, most of our lives and long before, while this sort of thing was happening, who did nothing? People like me, for example, and everyone else, what have we done to improve the situation that has given rise to this? Of course we can blame the police who stood by, but there is a bigger problem, a deep-seated problem on the white side, even the people who are activists, participants, we all stood by virtually immobile in the face of the situation. Today's protests are very much like those in 1992 after the assassination of Roger Rodney King, even if it was the LAPD. When the cops who murdered him walked out of the trial without punishment, there was a storm of protest. The week of the protests, I think, 60 people were killed, the military was called in, and the consequence, as always, was to divert attention away from the protesters: we need more law and order, more force. That is the typical response to demonstrations, only now the protests are more numerous. "
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 08, 2020, 12:17:34 PM
[Tone Deaf] Fox News Apologizes for On-air Graphic Showing Market Reaction to Violence Against Black Men
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/06/06/george-floyd-fox-news-sorry-after-graph-shows-market-reaction/3164250001/

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Fox News apologized Saturday after showing an infographic on-air that depicts the stock market's reaction to high profile killings of black men including the recent death of George Floyd.

The graph aired on Friday during Fox's live news coverage and showed positive stock market changes one week after Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination and the police killings of Michael Brown and George Floyd, who were both unarmed when they lost their lives to white officers.

The bar graph also showed a 1.2% positive change after the acquittal of two white men facing trial in the brutal 1992 beating of Rodney King. The information listed in the graphic included  “percentage change” in the S&P 500 market “one week after event.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/yashar/status/1269051241306263553

... "The infographic used on FOX News Channel’s Special Report to illustrate market reactions to historic periods of civil unrest should have never aired on television without full context. We apologize for the insensitivity of the image & take this issue seriously," the Fox News spokesperson said in the statement.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 08, 2020, 01:21:17 PM
George Floyd, Minneapolis Protests, Ahmaud Arbery & Amy Cooper | The Daily Social Distancing Show


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4amCfVbA_c
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on June 09, 2020, 04:33:06 AM
So who's on the street? Who's demonstrating?
It's "Liberals" and mostly black people...
During a pandemic...

So how many progressives are going to be dead or sick before the election? How many progressive and black families will not be able to go out and vote in November?

This is insanity!!! And nothing will change...
Trump will get reelected, and then what?

WAKE UP!
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 09, 2020, 09:02:33 AM
St. Paul Man Arrested for Burning Down of Minneapolis Police Precinct
https://www.kimt.com/templates/AMP?contentID=571111961

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ST. PAUL, Minn. – A federal charge has been filed against a St. Paul man for the burning down of the Third Police Precinct in Minneapolis.

United States Attorney Erica H. MacDonald says Branden Michael Wolfe, 23, is accused of aiding and abetting arson. He is scheduled to make his initial appears in U.S. District Court Tuesday.

On June 3, St. Paul police officers were called to a home improvement store in St. Paul about an individual, later identified as Wolfe, wearing body armor and a law enforcement duty belt and carrying a baton was trying to get into the store. Store employees said WOLFE had been working as a security guard at the store but was fired earlier that day over social media posts about stealing items from the Third Precinct.

Police arrested Wolfe and say they found him wearing multiple items stolen from the Third Precinct, including body armor, a police-issue duty belt with handcuffs, an earphone piece, baton, and knife. Officers say Wolfe’s name was handwritten in duct tape on the back of the body armor. Law enforcement says it recovered items belonging to the Minneapolis Police Department, including a riot helmet, 9mm pistol magazine, police radio, and police issue overdose kit, from Wolfe’s apartment.

According to the criminal complaint, Wolfe admitted to police that he was inside the Third Precinct the night of the arson, took property from the building, and pushed a wooden barrel into the fire. Investigators say Wolfe also identified himself in multiple witness photographs capturing him in front of the Third Precinct holding a police baton, with smoke and flames visible in the background. Wolfe reportedly admitted to knowing that pushing the wooden barrel into the fire would keep the flames burning.

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Man Drives Car Into Seattle Protest Crowd and Shoots Demonstrator
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/08/seattle-protest-car-crowd-shoots-demonstrator

A man drove his car into a crowd of protesters in Seattle, Washington on Sunday, then shot and wounded a demonstrator who confronted him as he came to a stop, according to police and eyewitness video.

Seattle police said firefighters took the man who was shot to the hospital and that he was in stable condition. No one else was injured, police said.

The suspect was seen in the video exiting his car as protesters began to surround it at about 8.30pm local time near the Seattle police department’s east precinct. He brandished what appeared to be a gun, dashed through the crowd and turned himself over to police.

Video at: https://twitter.com/chaseburnsy/status/1269833325440462848

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Klan Leader Charged Over Driving Car Into Black Lives Matter Protesters In Virginia
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/08/klan-leader-charged-harry-rogers-virginia

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A self-described Ku Klux Klan leader has been charged with assault after driving his car into a group of Black Lives Matter protesters in Virginia.

Harry Rogers, who told officers he was president of the Virginia Ku Klux Klan, has been charged with malicious wounding, assault and battery, and destruction of property after the incident in Henrico county, on the outskirts of Richmond.

According to Richmond’s WTVR news channel, police said Rogers had “revved [the] engine” of his pickup truck before driving through a crowd of protesters. One person was treated at the scene. No one was seriously hurt.

“The accused, by his own admission and by a cursory glance at social media, is an admitted leader of the Ku Klux Klan and a propagandist for Confederate ideology,” the Henrico county commonwealth’s attorney, Shannon Taylor, said in a statement. “We are investigating whether hate crimes charges are appropriate.”

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McEnany Says White House Has 'No Regrets' About Using Tear Gas On Protesters
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jun/08/george-floyd-protests-black-lives-matter-donald-trump-defund-police-latest-news-updates

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said the administration stands by the decision to forcibly remove peaceful protesters using tear gas last week for TRump's photo op..

“There’s no regrets on the part of this White House,” McEnany said of the decision, which sparked international outcry.

McEnany tried to shift responsibility for the decision to attorney general William Barr and the US park police.

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Trump's Hollywood Walk of Fame Star Defaced In Support of Black Lives Matter
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/08/trump-hollywood-walk-of-fame-star-defaced-protests

The reality TV host turned US president’s star has been spray painted black and tagged with BLM.

... Since the reality TV host became US president in 2016, there have been a number of attempts to vandalise his star including, most successfully, a pickaxe attack in 2018. In 2016, James Lambert Otis, 53, was also recorded using a jackhammer and a pickaxe to remove Trump’s name. The star has also been the subject of protest art, with a wall erected around it in 2016 to symbolize the president’s policy on immigration. The Celebrity Apprentice host, accused of sexually harassing or abusing 25 women, received his star in 2007.

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Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 09, 2020, 09:17:52 AM
Listen to this woman Kimberly Jones!

How Can We Win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb9_qGOa9Go
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 09, 2020, 10:48:25 AM
LAPD Officer Frank Hernandez

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gz58fi/lapd_officer_frank_hernandez/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 09, 2020, 11:47:17 AM
Minneapolis Police 'Strategically Deflated' Tires of Parked Vehicles
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/george-floyd-legacy-policing-fire-live-updates-200608123352619.html

State officials in Minnesota confirmed that police officers patrolling Minneapolis during the recent unrest slashed the tires of unoccupied vehicles in at least two locations in order to, as they put it, "stop behaviours such as vehicles driving dangerously and at high speeds in and around protesters and law enforcement".

Videos and photographs obtained by Mother Jones magazine showed officers in tactical clothing stabbing the tires of multiple vehicles in a car park. The Minneapolis Star Tribune identified the officers as being from Anoka County Sheriff's office.

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Video at link: https://mobile.twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1270094764398964737

A spokesman for the Department of Public Safety, Bruce Gordon, confirmed that: "State Patrol troopers strategically deflated tires," Gordon told the paper. "While not a typical tactic, vehicles were being used as dangerous weapons and inhibited our ability to clear areas and keep areas safe where violent protests were occurring."

Among the dozens of vehicle owners whose tires were damaged was Star Tribune reporter Chris Serres, who was covering the protests on the night of May 30 and returned to his car about 1am.

Police couldn't explain why they didn't simply deflate the tires instead of slashing them.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 09, 2020, 01:34:16 PM
Protester Gets a Flash-bang to His Face After Getting Pepper Sprayed
https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/gv8hsi/protester_gets_a_flashbang_to_his_face_after/

A flashbang is just a grenade without shrapnel. Flashbangs are lethal at close range, like many exploding things, it can pierce your internal organs and can even lead to death. Cops are explicitly instructed and aware of that fact.

This qualifies as attempted murder.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gCZXlQfjX40

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Protesters Across US Attacked by Cars Driven Into Crowds and Men with Guns
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/09/protests-us-america-cars-weapons

Anti police-brutality protesters have been confronted by armed men in cities around America in recent days, with some brandishing firearms or other weapons, some driving vehicles at crowds, and others – including members of the so-called “boogaloo movement” – claiming they have come to help anti-racism demonstrations.

... On Sunday, in Seattle, a man drove at speed towards protesters, while several protesters tried to slow or stop the vehicle.

... In Lakeside, Virginia, an armed man named Harry “Skip” Rogers, was arrested on charges of assault and battery after he allegedly drove his truck at protesters, hitting a cyclist.

... Other vehicular attacks have also occurred, among other places, on 29 May in Bakersfield, California and day before in Denver. On 30 May an armed man pulled a gun before driving through a crowd in Gainesville, Florida.

In Minneapolis, a man in a semi-trailer truck parted the crowd on an overpass when he drove towards them.

Further incidents involving firearms and other weapons have also occurred.

In McAllen, Texas, last Friday, a lone man threatened Black Lives Matter protesters with a running chainsaw, first screaming “go home” before shouting racial slurs.

In Upland, California, on 1 June, a man pulled an AR-15 from his truck and brandished it at protesters, and was subsequently arrested.

In Chicago on 31 May, a lone man armed with a semi-automatic rifle and a sidearm pistol was led away from the scene of a protest by police. Earlier, protesters say, he had brandished the weapon at them.

In Boise, Idaho, on 1 June, two armed men disguised with skull masks similar to those favored by some neo-Nazi groups counter-protested a local Black Lives Matter march. One, Michael Wallace, 19, was later arrested after what police were investigating as an accidental discharge of his weapon.

In Salt Lake City on 31 May, a man was arrested after threatening a crowd of protesters with a hunting bow.

... So-called “boogaloo bois” are members of a loose-knit, pro-gun, anti-government movement, which is preoccupied with what they believe to be a looming second American civil war.

Last week, three former armed servicemen associated with the movement were arrested and charged over an alleged plot aimed at vital national infrastructure.

... “The ‘boog movement’ has many bad actors within its ranks proliferating antisemitic, racist and QAnon dogwhistles, either deliberately or inadvertently, but the movement has also scooped up legitimately disillusioned people,” the spokesperson said.

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'That Was Crazy to Me': Black Film-maker Captures Own Pepper-Spraying by Police
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/09/protests-pepper-spray-police-george-floyd

The wrenching agony caused by excessive use of force by riot police on media people and protesters has been captured by an African American film-maker who was temporarily blinded after he was pepper-sprayed in the face.

Christopher Frierson, 37, managed to keep his video camera rolling after he was sprayed by a riot police officer in Brooklyn from just feet away. A cordon of police suddenly charged at him after a woman was captured on film throwing a water bottle at them, and Frierson was pepper-sprayed even though he was clearly displaying a press badge.

The footage shows the toxic spray hitting the camera lens; simultaneously you hear Frierson utter visceral groans of pain as he stumbles and falls to the ground. Within moments he was dragged by protesters to the curbside.

Video at link

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Activist Gave Police Anti-bias Training. Officers Still Brutalized Him at Protest
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/08/san-jose-police-shooting-implicit-bias

A 27-year-old community activist who helped train police officers on implicit bias was shot with a rubber bullet while attempting to de-escalate a confrontation between police and protesters during a demonstration in the wake of George Floyd’s death.

Derrick Sanderlin, who for years has helped train police officers in San Jose, was shot in the groin as he held a sign that said “WE R WORTHY OF LIFE”, suffering injuries that could leave him unable to have children.

Sanderlin told ABC7 News, the first outlet to report the story, that amid an escalating protest on 29 May he saw police officers firing rubber bullets at protesters from close range, some of them young women, and stepped in.

“I really just couldn’t watch it anymore,” Sanderlin, who is black, told ABC7. “And just kind of made like a parallel walkover, put my hands up, and just stood in the line of the fire and asked them to please not do this.”

The video shows officers leveling weapons at Sanderlin, who raised his hands and made no aggressive movement toward officers.

Moments later, police unleashed rubber bullets, one of which struck Sanderlin in the groin, rupturing a testicle.

“I pause for a moment like maybe this isn’t, maybe this doesn’t hurt and falling afterwards is like the most painful experience,” he told ABC7.

The injury required emergency surgery and doctors told him he may no longer be able to have children, he said.

... “What happened to Derrick Sanderlin was wrong,” tweeted the San Jose mayor, Sam Liccardo, adding that he proposed a ban on police use of rubber bullets and encouraged a review of police tactics.

https://twitter.com/sliccardo/status/1269336251317932033
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 09, 2020, 06:15:35 PM
Get Your Knee Off Our Necks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFQQdATX6vk&
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: kassy on June 10, 2020, 01:18:18 PM
Pretty good metaphor. Selective policing is a huge problem along with the police unions and the shift in training over the years.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 10, 2020, 07:24:52 PM
"Everybody's trying to shame us"

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gzvmsr/everybodys_trying_to_shame_us/

(Video at link)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 10, 2020, 07:36:33 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29291797/players-coalition-gathers-1400-signatures-support-bill-end-qualified-immunity-police

1,400 figures in the American athletic community sign a letter in support of ending qualified immunity for police.

Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 11, 2020, 12:31:50 AM
White House Defends Trump's Conspiracy Theory Tweet On Buffalo Protester
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/george-floyd-brother-testify-congress-live-updates-200610122439074.html

The White House on Wednesday defended President Donald Trump's promotion of an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory about a 75-year-old protester injured by police in Buffalo, saying it was Trump's "prerogative" to raise questions about the incident.

The protester, Martin Gugino, was shoved by police and critically injured when he approached them during a march against racism and police brutality in an incident that was captured on video and led to criminal charges against the officers involved.

Trump, offering no evidence, tweeted on Tuesday that Gugino's fall could be a "set up" with ties to the anti-fascist movement antifa.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018

"The president was just raising some questions, some legitimate ones, about that particular interaction. And it's his prerogative to do so," White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany told Fox News on Wednesday.

McEnany claimed Trump had facts before he sent the tweet, but the tweet did not include any evidence of the claim, and McEnany did not elaborate on what facts the president had.

(https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2020/5/1/fb01b741b1144cd3a4a5d6494ab6ec11_18.jpg)
White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany addressing a first press briefing in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House

A lawyer for Gugino called Trump's statement "dark, dangerous, and untrue," according to media reports. Gugino told USA TODAY he had "no comment other than Black Lives Matter" and that he has been released from intensive care and "should recover eventually."

Buffalo Police Officers Aaron Torgalski, 39, and Robert McCabe, 32, face felony assault charges over the incident.

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Corrections Officer Among Group That Mocked Floyd's Killing As Protesters Marched By
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/george-floyd-brother-testify-congress-live-updates-200610122439074.html

A white man seen in a video circulating on social media mocking George Floyd's death included a corrections officer in South Jersey, local media reported.

The man - whose identity has not been verified - was filmed kneeling on another man, recreating how Floyd died on May 25, while Black Lives Matter protesters marched by.

The New Jersey Department of Corrections confirmed in a statement that the man in the video was a corrections officer at Bayside State Prison and that he has been suspended while the agency conducts an investigation.

"We have been made aware that one of our officers from Bayside State Prison participated in the filming of a hateful and disappointing video that mocked the killing of George Floyd," an NJ Department of Corrections statement said.

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Florida Police Union Official Who Offered Jobs to Officers Accused of Using Excessive Force Suspended By His Department
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/george-floyd-buried-houston-live-updates-200609131614305.html

The president of a Fraternal Order of Police chapter in Florida has been suspended by a sheriff's office as it investigates him for a social media post that encouraged officers from departments accused of using excessive force during recent protests to move to Florida.

https://mobile.twitter.com/fox35orlando/status/1270402296824893440

In Atlanta, Georgia, two officers were fired and face criminal charges after video showed them using stun guns on two college students pulled from a car that was in traffic during a large protest. Four other officers were placed on desk duty.

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More Than 1,200 Former DOJ Staffers Call for Investigation Into Barr's Role In Removing Protesters
https://medium.com/@dojalumni/doj-alumni-letter-to-inspector-general-michael-horowitz-8011bb12167b

More than 1,200 former employees of the justice department are calling for an investigation into attorney general William Barr’s role in the forcible removal of peaceful protesters from near the White House last week.

In a letter to the justice department inspector general Michael Horowitz, the former staffers said, “We are deeply concerned about the Department’s actions, and those of Attorney General William Barr himself, in response to the nationwide lawful gatherings to protest the systemic racism that has plagued this country throughout its history, recently exemplified by the brutal killings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor by sworn law enforcement officers acting under the color of law.”

The letter noted that those who have signed on to the request have worked under both Democratic and Republican administrations. The former staffers said they had severe concerns about Barr’s role in the decision to use tear gas against protesters in order to allow Trump to stage a photo op at a nearby church.

The former staffers said they were also concerned about the decision to deploy federal law enforcement officers to Washington, DC, in response to the protests.

“For all of these reasons, we are asking you to immediately open and conduct an investigation of the full scope of the Attorney General’s and the DOJ’s role in these events,” the letter says.

“If the Attorney General or any other DOJ employee has directly participated in actions that have deprived Americans of their constitutional rights or that physically injured Americans lawfully exercising their rights, that would be misconduct of the utmost seriousness, the details of which must be shared with the American people.”

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US Protests Spur Calls for India to Wake Up to Anti-Dalit Discrimination
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/george-floyd-buried-houston-live-updates-200609131614305.html

Spurred on by US anti-racism protests, lower-caste Dalits have called on India to acknowledge centuries of oppression they have endured and recognise that "every life matters".

Dalits are at the bottom of India's ancient caste hierarchy, whose membership was determined at birth, and have historically faced violence, segregation and been barred from even having their shadows touch those of people from higher castes.

"We extend our solidarity because we feel them and we have faced discrimination ourselves," said Omprakash Mahato, president of the Birsa Ambedkar Phule Students Association, a Dalit organisation at Jawaharlal Nehru University.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on June 11, 2020, 04:57:09 AM
[U.K. Prime Minister]
Boris Johnson says US is 'bastion of peace and freedom' amid Black Lives Matter protests

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2020/jun/10/boris-johnson-says-us-is-bastion-of-peace-and-freedom-amid-black-lives-matter-protests-video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFMoSe6V1Io
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 11, 2020, 05:27:13 AM
went to The Site today

moved beyond words

can't breath

mother

mother
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on June 11, 2020, 06:24:55 AM
:'(
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 11, 2020, 10:48:17 AM
The Minneapolis Flower Girl

(https://i.redd.it/wo2hq323z4451.png)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 11, 2020, 11:32:55 AM
"I was a police officer for nearly ten years and I was a bastard. We all were."

Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop

Link >> https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 11, 2020, 02:49:53 PM


US Protests Spur Calls for India to Wake Up to Anti-Dalit Discrimination
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/george-floyd-buried-houston-live-updates-200609131614305.html

Spurred on by US anti-racism protests, lower-caste Dalits have called on India to acknowledge centuries of oppression they have endured and recognise that "every life matters".

Dalits are at the bottom of India's ancient caste hierarchy, whose membership was determined at birth, and have historically faced violence, segregation and been barred from even having their shadows touch those of people from higher castes.

"We extend our solidarity because we feel them and we have faced discrimination ourselves," said Omprakash Mahato, president of the Birsa Ambedkar Phule Students Association, a Dalit organisation at Jawaharlal Nehru University.

This global nature of this uprising is impressive. I confess ignorance regarding the details of the Indian caste system.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 11, 2020, 02:59:06 PM
Little evidence of antifa links in U.S. prosecutions of those charged in protest violence

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But a Reuters examination of federal court records related to the charges, social media posts by some of the suspects and interviews with defense lawyers and prosecutors found mostly disorganized acts of violence by people who have few obvious connections to antifa or other left-wing groups.

...

Only one group was called out by name in a federal complaint: the so-called boogaloo movement, whose followers, according to prosecutors, believe in an impending civil war.

Hate group experts say boogaloo’s followers are largely an assortment of right-wing extremists. Prosecutors alleged three men affiliated with “the movement” plotted to set off explosives in Las Vegas in the hopes of touching off rioting before a protest.

Link >> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-extremists/little-evidence-of-antifa-links-in-us-prosecutions-of-those-charged-in-protest-violence-idUSKBN23H06J
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 11, 2020, 03:18:11 PM
Who Really Burned Down Minnesota?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89y7R4Q6rA
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 11, 2020, 03:43:35 PM
Sanders calls for Congressional ban on tear gas and rubber bullets vs. protesters

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/06/11/we-must-act-now-sanders-demands-congressional-ban-police-use-tear-gas-and-rubber
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 11, 2020, 06:57:45 PM
(https://i.redd.it/iplsjvvfma451.png)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 11, 2020, 11:58:57 PM
(https://m.arcamax.com/newspics/cache/lw600/183/18398/1839800.jpg)

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Tucker Carlson: Advertisers Desert Fox News Host After He Attacks Protesters
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/11/tucker-carlson-fox-news-advertisers-protests

A series of major US corporations, including T-Mobile and Disney, have said they will no longer advertise on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show, after Carlson was accused of racism for attacking anti-racism protesters.

In the last 48 hours five companies – T-Mobile, SmileDirectClub, Disney, Papa John’s and the office furniture company Vari – have said they will pull advertising on Tucker Carlson Tonight, Media Matters reported, leaving Carlson with a dwindling list of sponsors.

The exodus began after Carlson, who has described white supremacy in America as a “hoax”, suggested the protests inspired by the death of George Floyd were not about race.

In one incident Carlson said that letting low-income people immigrate to America “makes our own country poor and dirtier”.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/07/fox-host-tucker-carlson-white-supremacy-not-real-problem-america/1941585001/

Fox News attempted to downplay the exodus. “All national dollars/ads were moved to other programs, and there has not been any national money lost,” a spokeswoman said.

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Seven Officers In LA Removed from Field Duties Over Excessive Use of Force During Protests

At least seven Los Angeles police officers were removed from their field duties after using excessive force during recent protests, the police department told CNN.

The move comes as police across the United States have come under attack for use of violence in response to demonstrators protesting police brutality.

Critics have pointed to the use of tear gas, rubber bullets, and physical attacks as examples of excessive use of force.

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(https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/240213_rgb_768.jpg.webp?resize=500x500)

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New Probe Launched Into Custodial Death of Black Man In Tacoma

Jay Inslee, the governor of Washington state, has ordered an independent investigation into the death of a Black man who died while in the custody of Tacoma police.

The move comes after new information emerged this week that at least one sheriff's deputy and a state trooper were at the scene when the man, Manuel Ellis, was detained and died on March 3. In a nearly nine-minute clip released by the lawyer representing Ellis's family, the 33-year-old man is heard crying out "I can't breathe, sir" while handcuffed.

The medical examiner ruled the death a homicide.

The Pierce County Sheriff's Department had been close to finishing an investigation, and a briefing with the prosecuting attorney was scheduled for Wednesday. Inslee said he ordered a new probe to make sure that the work is "done free of conflicts of interest" as officers from the sheriff's department were present at the scene.

The police department has identified the four officers involved in restraining Ellis. They were put on administrative leave last week after the autopsy results were made public.

Tacoma Mayor Victoria Woodards and the victim's family have called for those officers to be fired and arrested.

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Missouri Paper Owners Resign in Protest Over Racist Cartoon

The co-owners of a family-owned Missouri newspaper resigned from their positions in protest after the publication of a racist syndicated cartoon that depicted a Black man stealing a handbag from a white woman while hailing funding cuts to police.

The cartoon published in the Washington Missourian on Wednesday shows a white woman asking for someone to call 911, but the masked Black man says, "Good luck with that, lady ... we defunded the police."

Washington Missourian owners and sisters Susan Miller and Jeanne Miller Wood said in an apology that the newspaper's publisher - their father - made the decision to run the cartoon and did not let them know in advance.

"As co-owners we believe it was racist and in no circumstance should have been published," they wrote of the cartoon. "We apologize to our readers and our staff for the obvious pain and offense it caused. For the record, we abhor the sentiment and denounce ANY form of racism."
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 12, 2020, 02:05:21 PM
White Privilege and Other Matters
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2020/06/12/white-privilege-and-other-matters/
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If blacks, on average, are worse off than the average white in almost every category of well-being – health, income, education, jobs, and many others – this is chiefly because of an appallingly dysfunctional culture that is pervasive among the black lower classes and tends even to “percolate” upwards into the black middle classes.

This culture fosters and condones attitudes that lead to astronomical rates of out-of-wedlock births (more than 70 percent of black births are to unmarried women), millions of fathers who give little or no support to their children, high rates of crime and violence, high levels of drug abuse, a poor work ethic, very poor academic achievement.

Unless these aspects of the culture are reformed and healed, we may expect that great numbers of blacks will live in misery for the next few hundred years.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 12, 2020, 02:21:04 PM
Bernie Sanders on the US Senate floor spitting fire at McConnell and the GOP controlled senate for failing to respond and discuss an appropriate response to police abuse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isyyLjlTCb4
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: kassy on June 12, 2020, 03:51:18 PM
Quote
If blacks, on average, are worse off than the average white in almost every category of well-being – health, income, education, jobs, and many others – this is chiefly because of an appallingly dysfunctional culture that is pervasive among the black lower classes and tends even to “percolate” upwards into the black middle classes.

This culture fosters and condones attitudes that lead to astronomical rates of out-of-wedlock births (more than 70 percent of black births are to unmarried women), millions of fathers who give little or no support to their children, high rates of crime and violence, high levels of drug abuse, a poor work ethic, very poor academic achievement.

Unless these aspects of the culture are reformed and healed, we may expect that great numbers of blacks will live in misery for the next few hundred years.

The author sort of implies that this culture is inherent while a lot of it was engineered over time.

Poverty and hardship in itself lead to more breakdowns in relationships. And while they also lead to more crime there is also selective policing and diverging sentencing breaking up relationships for jailing people on really unfair terms.

One of the reasons for that is the US running it´s own commercial gulags now in the commercial  prisons.

The author also says this:
The greatest enemies of American blacks today are, in my humble opinion, white liberals who have a vested interest in keeping alive the myth of white racism

So you either did not read the article properly or you are ok with catholic racism.

In general posting an article implies you agree with it... which is bad enough for the first quote.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 12, 2020, 10:17:49 PM
Tom, your article swings from admitting the horrid, long history of racism, to suddenly pretending that his racism suddenly and magically and completely vanished and is no longer a factor, with no supporting evidence (perhaps, because there isn't any?).

And it also breathtakingly refuses to see any connection between the long (and yes, ongoing) horrid history of racism, and what roll that history played in the 'cultural' traits discussed.

The levels of blindness (nicest word I can think of right now) that the writer unconsciosly reveals are too multifold and pervasive to fully unpack here. But at the very least (and again,  using the nicest word I can muster) it is a vastly simplistic picture of complex history and present.

kass, I would agree that all of white society has participated in the history of black suppression, and yes  is particularly disappointing behavior for those who have at least given lip service to the needs of oppressed minorities.

But blacks (and especially black women) have consistently voted overwhelmingly for Democrats.

Are you saying that they are all, and have long been, completely and utterly wrong, and they should have thrown all their support behind Trump, for example, in the last election?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 12, 2020, 10:20:38 PM
https://theintercept.com/2020/06/12/qualified-immunity-police-wayne-jones/

Court declines to allow cops qualified immunity defense in killing of Wayne Jones.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: sidd on June 12, 2020, 10:37:14 PM
America's Finest News Source: "whatever it takes"

" white ally Will Novak announced Thursday that he was willing to do whatever it takes"

"I have to stop standing on the sidelines and be an active participant"

"It pains me to think there are these people suffering racial oppression out there"

"I’ll fight with every ounce of my being"

"he would be willing to put his life on the line "

https://www.theonion.com/white-ally-willing-to-do-whatever-it-takes-to-make-sure-1843998388

sidd
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 13, 2020, 11:53:49 AM
Is this Floyd murder the trigger for a populist revolution ?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/12/he-just-doesnt-get-it-has-trump-been-left-behind-by-americas-awakening-on-racism

Frank Luntz, a Republican consultant and focus group organiser, tweeted: “In my 35 years of polling, I’ve never seen opinion shift this fast or deeply. We are a different country today than just 30 days ago.

After the death of Floyd, a Monmouth University poll found that 57% of Americans (and 49% of whites) believe police are more likely to use excessive force against African Americans, compared with just 33% of Americans after Eric Garner was killed by New York police in 2014.

Even Trump’s enabler and enforcer, Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, seemed to get the memo. “We are still wrestling with America’s original sin,” he told reporters, adding that Senate Republicans are working on a police reform plan to tackle the “obvious racial discrimination that we’ve seen on full display on our television screens over the last two weeks”.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 13, 2020, 12:32:01 PM
My cousin/guardian says that, in his experience as a cop, it is usually the young "gung-ho" cops who are likely to use excessive force and act like bullies.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 13, 2020, 01:57:52 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/12/us/minneapolis-police-letter-chauvin-trnd/index.html

14 Minneapolis police officers issue a public letter condemning Derek Chauvin's actions.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 13, 2020, 05:18:10 PM
FOXnews photoshopping exact same armed protester into their images of CHAZ.

(https://i.imgur.com/0HJypvE.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 14, 2020, 03:50:55 AM
Tom, I've read academic studies that confirm that this is indeed the general pattern. Mostly, older police are less likely to use lethal force, while new recruits come to policing through the lens of cop shows they see on tv. Generally, the older cops tend to have a mellowing influence on younger cops as they tutor them.

This was not, apparently, the case with the cops who killed George Floyd (remember his name).
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 14, 2020, 01:08:22 PM
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/6/1/cornel_west_us_moment_of_reckoning

Cornel West decribes street uprisings as symptomatic of imploding empire.

Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 14, 2020, 03:28:23 PM
Fox News runs digitally altered images in coverage of Seattle’s protests, Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/fox-news-runs-digitally-altered-images-in-coverage-of-seattles-protests-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/?amp=1

Fox News published digitally altered and misleading photos on stories about Seattle’s Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) in what photojournalism experts called a clear violation of ethical standards for news organizations.

As part of a package of stories Friday about the zone, where demonstrators have taken over several city blocks on Capitol Hill after Seattle police abandoned the East Precinct, Fox’s website for much of the day featured a photo of a man standing with a military-style rifle in front of what appeared to be a smashed retail storefront.

The image was actually a mashup of photos from different days, taken by different photographers — it was done by splicing a Getty Images photo of an armed man, who had been at the protest zone June 10, with other images from May 30 of smashed windows in downtown Seattle. Another altered image combined the gunman photo with yet another image, making it appear as though he was standing in front of a sign declaring “You are now entering Free Cap Hill.”

Fox’s site had no disclaimers revealing the photos had been manipulated. The network removed the images after inquiries from The Seattle Times.

In addition, Fox’s site for a time on Friday ran a frightening image of a burning city, above a package of stories about Seattle’s protests, headlined “CRAZY TOWN.” The photo actually showed a scene from St. Paul, Minnesota, on May 30. That image also was later removed.

National news outlets on Friday also continued to cite a now-withdrawn comment by a Seattle police commander suggesting protesters were extorting payments from businesses within CHAZ. Seattle police Chief Carmen Best walked back that statement on Thursday, saying the comment was based on rumor and social media. “We haven’t had any formal reports of this occurring,” she said.

The daily scene at CHAZ has mostly been peaceful, with artists painting an enormous “Black Lives Matter” street mural and people gathering for free food, music and documentary films.

... The image, as displayed on the Fox News website, was spliced with other photos, including a photo of a smashed retail storefront in May, making it look as though the scene was all playing out concurrently in the autonomous zone. “It is definitely Photoshopped,” confirmed Ryder. “To use a photo out of context in a journalistic setting like that seems unethical.”

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Despite a description by the President that is at odds with the reality on the ground, Fox News has continued to present the situation as dangerous. Its publishing of altered and misleading images on its highly-trafficked website was the latest — and arguably the most egregious — example of that.

Among the photos that Fox News published on its homepage was one that showed a protester running past a burning vehicle and building with the headline "CRAZY TOWN" blaring across the website. The image, which accompanied a story about the situation in Seattle, was in fact taken from the unrest last month in Minnesota.

... A spokesperson for Fox News pointed CNN on Saturday morning to an editor's note that was appended to stories the network published with the misleading images.

"A FoxNews.com home page photo collage which originally accompanied this story included multiple scenes from Seattle's 'Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone' and of wreckage following recent riots," the note read. "The collage did not clearly delineate between these images, and has since been replaced. In addition, a recent slideshow depicting scenes from Seattle mistakenly included a picture from St. Paul. Fox News regrets these errors."

... "I think it's disgraceful propaganda and terribly misrepresentative of documentary journalism in times like this, when truth-telling and accountability is so important," Kenny Irby, a photojournalism ethics expert, told the newspaper. "There is no attribution. There is no acknowledgment of the montage, and it's terribly misleading."

Akili Ramsess, executive director of the National Press Photographers Association, told The Seattle Times that it was "completely egregious to manipulate this the way they have done."
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 16, 2020, 09:47:34 AM
(https://i.redd.it/tyjtstrky4551.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 16, 2020, 09:52:31 AM
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What does it mean when people say that all cops are bastards (ACAB)?
If it were an individual thing, you'd give them the benefit of the doubt, but it isn't; it's an institutional thing. the job itself is a bastard, therefore by carrying out the job, they are bastards. To take it to an extreme: there were no good members of the gestapo because there was no way to carry out the directives of the gestapo and to be a good person. it is the same with the american police state. Police do not exist to protect and serve, according to the US supreme court itself, but to dominate, control, and terrorize in order to maintain the interests of state and capital.
Who are the good cops then? The ones who either quit or are fired for refusing to do the job.
While the following list focuses on the US as a model police state, ALL cops in ALL countries are derivative from very similar violent traditions of modern policing, rooted in old totalitarian regimes, genocides, and slavery, if not the mere maintenance of authoritarian power structures through terrorism.
police shoot people twice as often as previously thought. Keep in mind that this was self-reported, so we have no way of knowing if these numbers speak to the actual number of shootings in the US. Many of these people are completely unarmed. Police kill far, far more people than terrorists in the US and have killed over a hundred people more than mass shooters did in 2019 that we are aware of. Mass shooters are easily tracked. Police killings are not. 1 2
Oh, and cops also killed more people in 2019 than school shooters did in all of US history.
And if they don't shoot you, they might just airstrike your block and burn your children alive.
They also shoot one dog every hour, every day. At the absolute least.
Once you're in jail, be prepared to sit there for weeks -or months or years. It's so bad that people constantly plead guilty just so they can get out. It's so bad and so common, in fact, that over a third of all exonerations come after an individual has pleaded guilty. So much for the right to a speedy trial, huh?
And getting arrested is easy - tens of thousands of people yearly, in fact, thanks to lowest bidder garbage that police departments use in order to test for illicit substances. Field drug tests are about as reliable as lie detector tests or horoscopes. They just don't work. They just don't.
Think you're safe if you just follow directions? Yeah, no. And if they don't just outright kill you, they could make their instructions so arcane and hard to follow that they'll kill you for not following them, and they'll usually get away with it. He got away with it, by the way. Surprise!
They'll prosecute you for even knowing about crimes cops have committed.
Think you're safe in your home? lmao nah. Not even your 7 year old is safe from getting her brains blown out. check out this horrifying megapost on no-knock raids
Being a taxi driver is literally more dangerous than being a cop.
cops are more of a danger to themselves than anyone else is to them
they've admitted to stealing as much -or recently more- than burglars through "asset forfeiture," and the rate of their thefts has been climbing yearly. Keep in mind, these numbers only articulate what's been reported. It's probable that they've stolen far more than just this.
police are literally allowed to rape people on the job in 35 states, as they have the power to determine whether or not you consented to sex with them while in their custody.
up to 50% of the people police murder are disabled
the police are being trained to kill as if they're an occupying army and we're an insurgency. this is an inevitability, as the military-industrial complex needs to keep expanding into new markets.
Eugenics was still alive and well in the prison-industrial complex up until very recently, and could very well be continuing for all we know, as it was forcibly sterilizing inmates as late as 2010. I honestly don't see a reason to believe it's stopped.
The US surveillance state is massive (and while this post primarily focuses on the US, other countries are just as bad), though much of our surveillance is privatized. This doesn't stop the police from partnering with private companies, however. This will only get worse as time goes on. Also, we can't forget about the Patriot Act and Snowden's PRISM leaks.
the police, as an institution, are so completely steeped in violence, that up to 40% of them commit acts of domestic violence and other forms of domestic abuse. Most citizens are not even allowed to own firearms if found guilty of domestic violence, and these guys are expected to handle military-grade equipment.
Police exist to control and terrorize us, not serve and protect us. That's only their function if you happen to be rich and powerful.
also this: lol
the police as they are now haven't even existed for 200 years as an institution, and the modern police force was founded to control crowds and catch slaves, not to "serve and protect" -- unless you mean serving and protecting what people call "the 1%." They have a long history of controlling the working class by intimidating, harassing, assaulting, and even murdering strikers during labor disputes. This isn't a bug; it's a feature.
The justice system also loves to intimidate and outright assassinate civil rights leaders.
The police do not serve justice. The police serve the ruling classes, whether or not they themselves are aware of it. They make our communities far more dangerous places to live, but there are alternatives to the modern police state. There is a better way.
Further Reading:
(all links are to free versions of the texts found online - many curated from this source)
white nationalists court and infiltrate a significant number of Sheriff's departments nationwide
Kropotkin and a quick history of policing
Malcolm X Grassroots Movement. (2013). Let Your Motto Be Resistance: A Handbook on Organizing New Afrikan and Oppressed Communities for Self-Defense.
Rose City Copwatch. (2008). Alternatives to Police.
Williams, Kristian. (2011). “The other side of the COIN: counterinsurgency and community policing.” Interface 3(1).
Williams, Kristian. (2004). Our Enemies in Blue: Police and power in America. New York: Soft Skull Press.

A lot of references linked at the original post.

Link >> https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gy52x6/seattle_tear_gassing_protestors_on_day_1_of_the/ft9687w/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 16, 2020, 03:17:38 PM
Police Detain Armed Militia Members After Man is Shot at Albuquerque Protest
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/16/us/protest-wrap-tuesday/index.html

Vigilantes may have instigated violence that led to a shooting in New Mexico at a demonstration calling for the removal of a sculpture of a Spanish conquistador, officials said.

Albuquerque police detain members of the New Mexico Civil Guard, an armed civilian group, on Monday.

The right-wing group has repeatedly shown up at Black Lives Matter protests in recent weeks with guns and militarylike garb.

https://www.kunm.org/post/armed-militia-group-alarms-blm-protesters-late-monday-after-peaceful-rally

Police detained people involved in the shooting after using chemical irritants and flash bangs to protect officers at the scene near the Albuquerque National History Museum, a news release from the police department said.

The police chief said he believes vigilante groups might have spurred the violence.

"We are receiving reports about vigilante groups possibly instigating this violence. If this is true, we will be holding them accountable to the fullest extent of the law, including federal hate group designation and prosecution," Albuquerque Police Chief Michael Geier said in a news release.

"There is absolutely no space in New Mexico for any violent would-be 'militia' seeking to terrorize New Mexicans; and there is no space for violence of any kind on our streets and in our communities," the governor said in a statement.

... Militias like the New Mexico Civil Guard and other armed, far-right counterprotesters have been a controversial presence at Black Lives Matter protests across the United States. At an Albuquerque protest earlier this month, video of police talking to an armed militia group spurred allegations that officers were coordinating with the group in an official capacity, although police denied the claim.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/16/albuquerque-militia-shooting-protest/?outputType=amp

... Some critics have drawn contrasts between police response to largely peaceful and unarmed Black Lives Matter protests and the heavily armed, militia-led demonstrations against coronavirus restrictions in April and May. Monday’s shooting also led some critics to note that the armed militia members and alleged shooter were taken into custody by police without incident, but the Black Lives Matter protests are responding to incidents where police have shot and killed unarmed black men.

“Notice how calmly they’re all being detained,” former housing secretary Julián Castro tweeted Monday night. “Don’t tell me George Floyd and Rayshard Brooks and Eric Garner — who did not harm anybody — couldn’t be treated differently.”

https://twitter.com/JulianCastro/status/1272725222093991937
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 16, 2020, 06:27:36 PM
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/yair-netanyahu-clear-tel-aviv-of-minorities-631443

Meanwhile in Israel. the PM's son is using the US unrest to justify advancing their discrimination against the minority population.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on June 16, 2020, 07:40:13 PM
And so it begins...

Members of armed civilian group arrested, suspected gunman identified after man is shot at Albuquerque protest
 
June 16, 2020 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/16/albuquerque-militia-shooting-protest/)

Protesters in Albuquerque wrapped a chain around the neck of a bronze statue and began tugging and chanting, “Tear it down,” shortly before sunset on Monday. Their efforts to pull down a monument of Spanish conquistador Juan de Oñate suddenly stopped as four shots rang out.

Most people instinctively turned toward the noise, videos from the scene show. A few screamed. Just yards away, a group of men sporting militarylike garb and carrying semiautomatic rifles formed a protective circle around the gunman.

The gunshots, which left one man in critical but stable condition, have set off a cascade of public outcry denouncing the unregulated ‘militia’’s presence and the shooting. On Tuesday morning, the Albuquerque Police Department announced that detectives had arrested Stephen Ray Baca, 31, in connection with the shooting.

Baca was booked into the Metro Detention Center on a charge of aggravated battery, police spokesman Gilbert Gallegos Jr. said in a statement.

The victim has not been identified. Authorities said the investigation is ongoing.

“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”

Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller (D) said the statue would now be speedily removed as an “urgent matter of public safety” until authorities determine a next step.

“The shooting tonight was a tragic, outrageous and unacceptable act of violence and it has no place in our city,” Keller said in a statement. “Our diverse community will not be deterred by acts meant to divide or silence us. Our hearts go out [to] the victim, his family and witnesses whose lives were needlessly threatened tonight.”

Recent protests against Oñate statues in New Mexico mirror similar calls to tear down Confederate monuments amid a rise in Black Lives Matter demonstrations following the killing of George Floyd, who died as a Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes.

In the hours leading up to the violence on Monday, protesters faced off with members of an armed group of civilians that calls itself the New Mexico Civil Guard and counterprotesters toting “All lives matter” signs.

One group sought to tear down a monument to Oñate, a 16th-century despot who massacred indigenous people. The other set out as self-designated protectors of the statue, creating a heavily armed presence at the park in Albuquerque’s historic Old Town. Aside from a few small scuffles over signs near the monument, the protest had largely been peaceful, although tense at times.

Then, a white man in a blue T-shirt appeared to rile the crowd, according to video obtained by KOB4. People erupted in shouts, and the man took a few steps back. A masked protester swung a skateboard and struck him in the shoulder. The man backpedaled out of the crowd but continued to exchange shouts with protesters.

Someone in the video encouraged people to follow the man and get his license plate number. Several people followed him, and one tackled him to the ground. As he tried to stand back up and three people tried to hit him again, the man in blue pulled a gun and fired four shots, striking one man and scattering the crowd.

In a second video that captured the moments following the shooting, the gunman sat in the middle of a road as the New Mexico Civil Guard members formed a circle around him. One man carrying a semiautomatic rifle, and wearing camouflage fatigues and a military-style helmet, kicked the handgun away from the man and stood with his foot on top of the weapon.

Police responded to the scene with tear gas and stun grenades to force the crowd back. Officers detained several members of the armed group, according to reporters and witnesses at the scene. Video showed officers placing the apparent gunman into a cruiser.

Police have not released any information about the suspected shooter or said whether they think he has any connection to the armed group.

The organization, which identified itself to a New York Times reporter covering the protest Monday, has a controversial history. The right-wing group has repeatedly shown up at Black Lives Matter protests in recent weeks with guns and militarylike garb.

On Facebook, the group has shared materials encouraging people to arm themselves, promoted military training on infantry tactics and “ambushing,” and shared multiple posts opposing the leveling of monuments to Confederate figures in the South and Oñate in New Mexico. Members of the group recently told the Eastern New Mexico News that their aim was to protect businesses from damage during protests. They said they had been in contact with police and were following guidance given to them by officials.

Groups like the New Mexico Civil Guard and other armed far-right counterprotesters, often referred to as “militias,” have been a controversial presence at Black Lives Matter protests across the United States. At an Albuquerque protest earlier this month, video of police talking to an armed ‘militia’ group spurred allegations that officers were coordinating with the group in an official capacity, although police denied the claim.

At least one New Mexico lawmaker viewed the group’s consistent presence at protests as suspicious enough to warrant further inquiry. Sen. Martin Heinrich (D) called on the Justice Department to investigate the shooting Monday night.

“This is not the first report of heavily armed civilian militias appearing at protests around New Mexico in recent weeks. These extremists cannot be allowed to silence peaceful protests or inflict violence,” Heinrich said on Twitter on Monday night.

Some critics have drawn contrasts between police response to largely peaceful and unarmed Black Lives Matter protests and the heavily armed demonstrations against coronavirus restrictions in April and May. Monday’s shooting also led some critics to note that the armed civilians and alleged shooter were taken into custody by police without incident, but the Black Lives Matter protests are responding to incidents in which police have fatally shot unarmed black men.

“Notice how calmly they’re all being detained,” former housing secretary Julián Castro tweeted Monday night. “Don’t tell me George Floyd and Rayshard Brooks and Eric Garner — who did not harm anybody — couldn’t be treated differently.”

Meanwhile, Albuquerque Police Chief Michael Geier vowed to investigate any group that sought to stoke violence at the protest.

“We are receiving reports about vigilante groups possibly instigating this violence,” Geier said in a statement. “If this is true [we] will be holding them accountable to the fullest extent of the law, including federal hate group designation and prosecution.”

Katie Mettler contributed to this report.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 17, 2020, 02:44:45 AM
Air Force Sergeant Linked to ‘Boogaloo’ Movement Charged In Federal Officer’s Death
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/16/air-force-sergeant-charged-boogaloo-movement

An air force sergeant already jailed over the ambush killing of a California sheriff’s deputy was charged in connection with the shooting death of a federal security officer outside the US courthouse in Oakland during a night violent protest last month. Officials say the man has ties to the anti-government “boogaloo” movement.

SSgt Steven Carrillo, 32, was charged on Tuesday with murder and attempted murder in the killing of 53-year-old federal officer Dave Patrick Underwood.

Carrillo separately faces state charges in the 6 June ambush and fatal shooting of Santa Cruz county sheriff’s Sgt Damon Gutzwiller and the wounding of four other officers in Ben Lomond, an unincorporated area outside the beachfront city of Santa Cruz, south of San Francisco.

Carrillo, a leader of an elite military security force, had multiple links to the far-right, anti-government “boogaloo” movement, federal prosecutors said at a news conference on Tuesday.

Law enforcement officials said they identified multiple pieces of evidence that linked Carrillo to the developing anti-government extremist movement associated with the term “boogaloo”, an ironic word for “a violent uprising or impending civil war in the United States”.

Law enforcement officials discovered a ballistic vest with a “boogaloo” flag on it in a van they said Carrillo had used, and also alleged that Carrillo had written phrases associated with the movement in his own blood on the hood of a car he hijacked, according the criminal complaint against Carrillo.

... Although the concept of “the boogaloo” is popular with white supremacist accelerationists, it has also attracted a broader spectrum of American anti-government extremists.

“Boogaloo” rhetoric often identifies law enforcement officials, especially federal officials, as the enemy. Men carrying guns and wearing Hawaiian-print shirts, a symbol of the “boogaloo”, have showed up at protests over the killing of George Floyd by police across the country, including in Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, Dallas, Atlanta, and Philadelphia, the Washington Post reported.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/06/03/white-men-wearings-hawaiian-shirts-carrying-guns-add-volatile-new-element-floyd-protests/

Facebook announced on 4 June it would be taking some steps to make it more difficult for users to find groups associated with the term “boogaloo”, Reuters reported, but the social network is again facing criticism for not doing enough to crack down on far-right organizing on its platform, even as the death toll associated with the movement continues to climb.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 17, 2020, 08:13:59 AM
The two police officers who were previously thought to have been killed by BLM protesters were actually killed by right-wing extremists.

Suspect in killing of 2 Bay Area officers tied to right-wing ‘boogaloo’ group, prosecutors allege

Link >> https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-16/suspects-charged-killing-santa-cruz-cop-and-oakland-federal-officer
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 17, 2020, 08:27:23 PM
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Ramsey Orta filmed the killing of Eric Garner. The video traveled far, but it wouldn't get justice for his dead friend. Instead, the NYPD would exact their revenge through targeted harassment and eventually imprisonment — Orta's punishment for daring to show the world police brutality.

Link >> https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/13/18253848/eric-garner-footage-ramsey-orta-police-brutality-killing-safety
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 18, 2020, 08:11:38 AM
Michael Che's Civil Rights Update

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeN_SVoJet0
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 18, 2020, 07:48:17 PM
Noam Chomsky: This Uprising Is “Unprecedented” In US History

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDDANiLOTA
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 18, 2020, 08:48:18 PM
(https://i.redd.it/dzd7kkfqx5551.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 18, 2020, 08:48:44 PM
Everyone meet Tony Timpa. He called 911 for help, and ended up on the ground being choked to death by Dallas police. Police laughed as Tony died and continued to do so after the fact.

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/hbc7gb/everyone_meet_tony_timpa_he_called_911_for_help/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 18, 2020, 09:24:54 PM
Noam Chomsky: This Uprising Is “Unprecedented” In US History

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDDANiLOTA

I recommend the Chomsky video. He's an intellectual giant of the left and has a balanced and wise perspective with some optimism about the benefits being realized from steady activism.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 18, 2020, 10:32:32 PM
Let's talk about police work stoppages, call outs, and "blue flu"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2D85BrFGpw
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 19, 2020, 11:35:38 AM
I know, right?

@PurelyPurgatory on Twitter:
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Cops aren't wearing their uniforms to
and from work right now because
they're afraid someone might attack
them or their families. Can you imagine
that? Living with a constant fear of
being killed by a complete stranger
because, to them, you look like a
threat?

(https://i.redd.it/i6z0pd3l7q551.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 19, 2020, 12:40:33 PM
<Language, Tom! Language! - BK>
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 19, 2020, 12:58:31 PM
And these statistics would be relevant...how?

The thread is about cops, who are supposedly sworn to protect citizens, brazenly and casually killing citizens they are supposed to protect. And that killing (and other brutality) by those supposed protectors is far more likely to happen to you if you're Black (though all US citizens are far more likely to get killed by those supposedly there to protect us than in any other supposedly developed country).

So again, how would those stats be relevant to this particular discussion?

Or is this yet another example of 'whataboutism'?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 19, 2020, 02:27:13 PM
OK wiki, we will sharpen the point.
How much more likely are you to be killed by a cop if you are black as opposed to white?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: kassy on June 19, 2020, 02:58:36 PM
So again, how would those stats be relevant to this particular discussion?

And what would be the general point of #272 anyway? What is your point there?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 19, 2020, 03:02:05 PM
OK wiki, we will sharpen the point.
How much more likely are you to be killed by a cop if you are black as opposed to white?

When was the last time you saw a cell phone video of a cop killing a white person ?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 19, 2020, 03:31:21 PM
OK wiki, we will sharpen the point.
How much more likely are you to be killed by a cop if you are black as opposed to white?

Three times more likely.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 19, 2020, 05:06:03 PM
I thought that this is about American racism, using a particular killing to "spark" the thread.
If the police are this pathological, how can we change that yet still keep the public safe from crime?
Also, I always wondered...when these race riots happen, why do they always seem to happen in black neighborhoods? Why don't the rioters go over to white neighborhoods and riot these? Why do they destroy their own space?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: SteveMDFP on June 19, 2020, 05:09:39 PM
Also, I always wondered...when these race riots happen, why do they always seem to happen in black neighborhoods? Why don't the rioters go over to white neighborhoods and riot these? Why do they destroy their own space?

In recent disturbances, there are several examples of "boogaloo" white supremacists going into peaceful protests and creating mayhem.  Some people are indeed going into other neighborhoods to engage in destruction.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 19, 2020, 05:24:31 PM
I thought that this is about American racism, using a particular killing to "spark" the thread.
If the police are this pathological, how can we change that yet still keep the public safe from crime?

The cause of criminal behavior is mostly environmental. If people's livelihoods are not endangered, criminality goes down (robust welfare/social security/healthcare/public infrastructure/streetworker). If there is no lead in drinking water, that helps too BTW. There are many more things the government can provide that makes people's lives much safer even without police.

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Also, I always wondered...when these race riots happen, why do they always seem to happen in black neighborhoods?

You might want to watch this video >> https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3103.msg267880.html#msg267880

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Why don't the rioters go over to white neighborhoods and riot these? Why do they destroy their own space?

A lot of the criminal things were started by agent provocateurs. Of course, they would do it where the people are protesting. In some places, the police pushed the protesters into those areas where looting happened to add fuel to the fire.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 20, 2020, 03:57:10 AM
Has any culture past or present been free of racism? Maybe the San, nanning? Any other possibility?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: greylib on June 20, 2020, 02:01:22 PM
Has any culture past or present been free of racism?
Probably not. Fear and hatred of "others" probably predates Homo Sapiens. Certainly it can be seen in our close cousins, the chimpanzees, where war between tribes is common. Loyalty to the "in" group leads to clashes with those in the "out" group.

Racism is a subset of xenophobia. We have a world-spanning society, which makes it difficult to assign In or Out status to others. Colour of skin is a big clue, so it's used extensively.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 20, 2020, 02:30:57 PM
Could interbreeding erase color lines in future millennia?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: greylib on June 20, 2020, 03:00:00 PM
Could interbreeding erase color lines in future millennia?
Probably not, with current attitudes. If you have three white grandparents and one black one, you're "black". Maybe one days things will look different, but I'm not holding my breath.

A West Indian friend of mine told me "I'm descended from slaves. But I'm also descended from slaveowners." An ancestor of his fell in love with a black girl, bought her, freed her, married her. But even though their children were half-white, they all married blacks - there really wasn't an alternative back then.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 20, 2020, 03:04:07 PM
Has any culture past or present been free of racism? Maybe the San, nanning? Any other possibility?

As Greylib i think xenophobia is a human trait. But i also think everyone can overcome this instinct cognitively. It's work. Many people refuse to do this work.

Schools should help kids doing this work very early in life.

Could interbreeding erase color lines in future millennia?

I don't think this is how it works. Not a biologist, but i think you can't just mix it all down to one thing. For how i understand it, humans will stay being diverse.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 20, 2020, 03:06:00 PM
Can you even tell that a quadroon (much less an octoroon) is not white, with maybe a tan? Or is it like eye color, where you either have it or not? How does that work?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: kassy on June 20, 2020, 06:48:33 PM
People should just think of all people as people. Do unto others...and then really do that.
Don´t punish stealing a little food 3 times with a life sentence because you would do the same if you had been in the same situation.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on June 22, 2020, 04:15:50 PM
Has any culture past or present been free of racism? Maybe the San, nanning? Any other possibility?

Racism is a symptom of supremacy.
Racism is exhibited by people who feel supreme, knowingly or unknowingly.

Every supremacy adds another level of insanity.
Racism is insane.

Insanity is always destructive.
Racism is destructive.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 22, 2020, 05:03:03 PM
Tom may be making the common mistake here of confusing prejudice--which is everywhere and which probably humans could not function without some form of it--and systemic, or 'institutional' racism.

A short thought exercise my help clarify--if you were a Jew living under Hitler's Germany, you probably would have quite a few prejudices against many of their non-Jewish German neighbors. But I hope you can see, Tom, that the consequences of their prejudice is less dire than the systemic racism of German society at that time against them.

(Most activists use racism and systemic racism interchangeably, which can also be a problem. Racism, like so many things, is as complex as it is pervasive in much of modern society)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on June 22, 2020, 08:14:14 PM
....how can we change that yet still keep the public safe from crime?
Don't hire white cops anymore?  ::)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on June 22, 2020, 08:26:14 PM
Has any culture past or present been free of racism? Maybe the San, nanning? Any other possibility?
I think you need to watch this Jane Elliott experiment if you want to understand discrimination. We are all capable of it.

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Blue eyes, brown eyes: What Jane Elliott's famous experiment says about race 50 years on

Elliot is best known as the teacher who, on April 5, 1968, the day after Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated, put her third-grade students through a bold exercise to teach them about racial prejudice. She divided the children, who were all white, by eye color, and then she told the children that people with brown eyes were smarter, faster and better than those with blue eyes. What happened next proved to Elliot that prejudice is a learned behavior. Which means, she says, it can be unlearned.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/karinabland/2017/11/17/blue-eyes-brown-eyes-jane-elliotts-exercise-race-50-years-later/860287001

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPZEJHJPwIw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPZEJHJPwIw)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 23, 2020, 03:07:47 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/zoesalone/status/1274188529841639426

The FBI confirmed that racists are going to protests undercover to “incite riots” in order to “portray ‘Antfa’ as a bigger threat than it actually poses.”

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea7TtUCWAAAiG36?format=jpg&name=medium)
(LES) = Law Enforcement Sensitive

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Millions of Documents From >200 US Police Agencies Published In “BlueLeaks” Trove
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/06/blueleaks-airs-private-data-from-more-than-200-us-police-agencies/

https://www.wired.com/story/blueleaks-anonymous-law-enforcement-hack/

... DDOSecrets notes that none of the files appear to be classified, and Best concedes that they may not show illegal behavior on the part of police. But the group argues that the documents instead reveal legal but controversial practices, as well as the tone of police discussions around groups like Antifa—for instance, describing white nationalists like Richard Spencer as anti-Antifa, rather than acknowledging that Antifa expressly opposes groups like those who follow Spencer.

... "I've seen a few comments about it being unlikely to uncover gross police misconduct, but I think those somewhat miss the point, or at least equate police misconduct solely with illegal behavior. Part of what a lot of the current protests are about is what police do and have done legally."
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: The Walrus on June 23, 2020, 05:36:34 PM
Tom may be making the common mistake here of confusing prejudice--which is everywhere and which probably humans could not function without some form of it--and systemic, or 'institutional' racism.

A short thought exercise my help clarify--if you were a Jew living under Hitler's Germany, you probably would have quite a few prejudices against many of their non-Jewish German neighbors. But I hope you can see, Tom, that the consequences of their prejudice is less dire than the systemic racism of German society at that time against them.

(Most activists use racism and systemic racism interchangeably, which can also be a problem. Racism, like so many things, is as complex as it is pervasive in much of modern society)

So true.  Everyone has prejudices or biases, based on their individual experiences.  Some of these are subconscious.  The consequences are often limited to the person with the bias and whoever they may encounter.  Racism is overtly intentional, applied to an entire population, and usually self-serving.  History is littered with multiple accounts of racism throughout time.  Will we ever be able to overcome it?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 23, 2020, 06:00:47 PM
Thanks for that perspective, Walrus.

Again, I would say that racism is too complex to just restrict it to any narrow range, including just intentional actions.

Some use the distinction of active versus passive racism. Active racism, on the individual level, is the kind of intentional activity you are talking about (though the line between intention and non-intention can be fuzzy sometimes).

But there is also passive racism (again, I'm talking in this case about the personal level), where you don't counter racism when you see it, and don't act aggressively to fight against its pervasive systemic forms. I would say that most whites are guilty of this form at some level, though I understand that many (especially whites! :) ) don't find it useful to lump both of these together.

What we all need to be is actively anit-racist.

Words create meaning in many ways, and besides the denotative discussions we are having here, we should also be clear that a term like 'racism' and 'racist' also can have strong connotative meanings...they can be emotionally charged 'fighting words' so to speak.

So it can be hard to navigate these semantic waters without someone getting their hackles up at some point. Hopefully we can avoid those kinds of reactions here.

Thanks all for a valuable discussion  so far, by the way. And apologies for any toes stepped on when I was under maximum stress a couple weeks ago.

Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on June 23, 2020, 08:04:53 PM
<snip>Racism is overtly intentional<snip>
I really have to disagree with that. Racism is taught, mostly through culture, but these days also by watching TV. How else could you explain this?


https://youtu.be/tkpUyB2xgTM (https://youtu.be/tkpUyB2xgTM)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Sebastian Jones on June 23, 2020, 10:55:58 PM
At the risk of oversimplifying things, Racism can be thought of as Prejudice + Power.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on June 24, 2020, 09:30:13 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/suffocating-french-delivery-driver-cedric-chouviat-last-words-george-floyd-case
  by Kim Willsher

 Excerpts:
A French delivery driver who died after being arrested in Paris pleaded, “I’m suffocating” several times as police held him to the ground.

Footage has emerged of 42-year-old Cédric Chouviat saying he could not breathe seven times in 22 seconds as officers pinned him to the ground.

Four police officers are being questioned for “involuntary homicide” over the arrest near the Eiffel Tower in January that echoes the death of George Floyd in the US that has sparked worldwide protests and Black Lives Matter demonstrations.

Police said they stopped Chouviat on his scooter after claiming he was looking at his mobile phone and had a dirty licence plate. Officers say he was disrespectful and abusive and resisted arrest.

However, a report by the National Gendarmerie Institute for Criminal Research suggested the exchanges between the police and the delivery driver were “correct”, although officers may have felt he was being “provocative” or “defiant”.

According to witnesses quoted by Le Monde, the officers held Chouviat, a father of five, in a chokehold, a restraint technique that was banned by the interior minister, Christophe Castaner, this month, then reinstated after complaints from police.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 24, 2020, 09:43:49 AM
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@dyllyp

Elijah's last words were: "I'm an
introvert. I'm just different that's all. I'm
so sorry. I don't have a gun. I don't do
that stuff....All I was trying to do was
become better. I'll do it...You all are
phenomenal. You are beautiful. And I
love you. Try to forgive me. I'm sorry."

Quote
@TheSharkPunch

This was Elijah McClain.

He wore masks due to his anemia and Colorado
weather.

Someone called 911 on him and the police held
him down, beat him, and injected him with
ketamine.

He went into cardiac arrest and died.

Elijah liked to play his violin for stray cats to
calm them.

(https://i.redd.it/63pknzi83k651.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 24, 2020, 09:53:10 AM
Quote
@blackwomenviews

Sooo.. .the cops completely fabricated
an assassination attempt but we are
supposed to take their word for it when
they say "I feared for my life" before
killing unarmed Black people?

Quote
Eric Boehlert @EricBoehlert

just updated my piece in the wake of the
stunning report today that the three officers at
the center of the 'poisoning" were never sick
and never even felt any symptoms.

(https://i.redd.it/zkfkr1d0wm651.png)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 24, 2020, 11:58:27 AM
Quote
@trilippacedgod

Remember Daniel Shaver? That 1
time a white dude got shot unarmed
while crawling towards a cop crying
'please don't shoot me I don't want to
die". That cop is still on the force in
the town I live 1 block from. Plus he
gets an untaxed 30k/year pension for
his PTSD from murdering.

(https://i.redd.it/jj59ft9lsk651.png)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 24, 2020, 01:22:36 PM
It was a good day for candidates of color at the ballot box in NY today.  Voting is a damn good form of activism.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 24, 2020, 04:16:51 PM
But this piece suggests that corporate, old school dems, including Biden, may be in trouble this fall:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/24/letter-to-washington-grosse-pointe-woods-325641
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 24, 2020, 04:53:37 PM
But this piece suggests that corporate, old school dems, including Biden, may be in trouble this fall:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/24/letter-to-washington-grosse-pointe-woods-325641

It's an interesting discussion. I understand exactly where those people are coming from even if I don't exactly agree with their conclusion. I hope Biden takes their feelings about Kamala being a phony into consideration when it comes time to pick a VP.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on June 24, 2020, 07:05:21 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/suffocating-french-delivery-driver-cedric-chouviat-last-words-george-floyd-case (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/suffocating-french-delivery-driver-cedric-chouviat-last-words-george-floyd-case)
  by Kim Willsher

 Excerpts:
A French delivery driver who died after being arrested in Paris pleaded, “I’m suffocating” several times as police held him to the ground.

Footage has emerged of 42-year-old Cédric Chouviat saying he could not breathe seven times in 22 seconds as officers pinned him to the ground.

Four police officers are being questioned for “involuntary homicide” over the arrest near the Eiffel Tower in January that echoes the death of George Floyd in the US that has sparked worldwide protests and Black Lives Matter demonstrations.

Police said they stopped Chouviat on his scooter after claiming he was looking at his mobile phone and had a dirty licence plate. Officers say he was disrespectful and abusive and resisted arrest.

However, a report by the National Gendarmerie Institute for Criminal Research suggested the exchanges between the police and the delivery driver were “correct”, although officers may have felt he was being “provocative” or “defiant”.

According to witnesses quoted by Le Monde, the officers held Chouviat, a father of five, in a chokehold, a restraint technique that was banned by the interior minister, Christophe Castaner, this month, then reinstated after complaints from police.
I'm disgusted with all the hate creating messages on this thread. Do you really not understand what you are doing? Yes, it's all bad shit, but by posting this you're not digging down to the core of the problem. You're just helping to create more hatred and fear and division...

Oh how they like us to be divided...

I AM A RACIST!!! I truly am..
I love Asian women, and I don't like black women.
I am also especially kind to people from other races because I want to show them - and everyone else - that I really am not a racist. I don't see people as equals. I was taught that I have to be careful and scared for "strangers".

Watch out for drug users!
There's more crime amongst people of a lower class...

And when you're not white, we don't call you American, or Belgian, or Chinese. No, we call you African American. An immigrant. A "new" Belgian... We never accept your differences...

I was raised a racist, and I will carry that burden for the rest of my life. But being a racist doesn't mean that I have to accept it and act on it. You have good racist that try to help people from other races, and you have bad racists that hate those who are different and smoke pot once in a while.

Being different is an asset. It's nothing to be afraid about...
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 24, 2020, 07:27:52 PM
I'm disgusted with all the hate creating messages on this thread.

I don't understand. This is happening! Why are we the hate creating ones by pointing out that it is indeed happening?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on June 24, 2020, 07:34:41 PM
I'm disgusted with all the hate creating messages on this thread.

I don't understand. This is happening! Why are we the hate creating ones by pointing out that it is indeed happening?
Because you are doing exactly what MSNBC and Fucks news and so many others in power want us to do... Divide and conquer... And rob them blind while they are busy hating each other with all the shit that we are creating for them to divert attention from the real shit we are doing...

Don't you understand modern slavery? Are you the frog that's slowly cooking?

WATCH THE DOLL VIDEO AGAIN!!!!

I edited and posted the message I posted here on Facebook.

Read it again, and try to understand it... It's been my life to understand what ails the world. And what ails the world is fear... And fear leads to hatred...

Are you a racist? Can you accept that? Or are you ignorant to reality?

Quote
I'm disgusted with all the hate creating messages I see these days on public fora. Do people really not understand what we are doing with all this?

Yes, it's all bad shit what's happening with cop beatings and statues all that shit. But by posting these hate crimes you're not digging down to the core of the problem. You're just helping to create more hatred and fear and division...

Oh how they like us to be divided...

I AM A RACIST!!! I truly am..
I love Asian women, and I don't like black women...

I am also especially kind to people from other races because I want to show them - and everyone else - that I really am not a racist. I don't see people as equals. I was taught that I have to be careful and scared of "strangers".

Watch out for drug users!
There's more crime amongst people of a lower class...

And when you're not white, we don't call you American, or Belgian, or Chinese. No... we call you African American. An immigrant. A "new" Belgian... We never accept you for your personality... All we see is color and class...

I was raised a racist, and I will carry that burden for the rest of my life. But being a racist doesn't mean that I have to accept it and act on it. There are good racist that try to help people from other races, and you have bad racists that hate those who are different and smoke pot once in a while.

Being different is an asset. It's nothing to be afraid about...
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 24, 2020, 07:46:09 PM
So what are we supposed to do? Pretend everything is fine? Head in the sand approach?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on June 24, 2020, 07:48:13 PM
If you want the water to stop boiling, you need to turn off the fire instead of complaining about how hot it's getting...
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 24, 2020, 07:57:10 PM
Like that time, when they didn't behead the lords and put the guillotines to the side and the lords said you are forgiven all your debt and then they sang and danced. Must be like that.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on June 24, 2020, 08:13:26 PM
Was everybody happy with that?
Why didn't Neven just delete me after my first warning? Why did he let me back in?
Some people here still can't get over that, and so hatred rules, because true forgiveness is hard...
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 24, 2020, 08:16:55 PM
Police reform appears to be dead in the senate.

The sticking points appear to be qualified immunity for cops, banning chokeholds and body camera requirements.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/politics/senate-police-reform-bill/index.html
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on June 24, 2020, 08:23:47 PM
Police reform appears to be dead in the senate.

The sticking points appear to be qualified immunity for cops, banning chokeholds and body camera requirements.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/politics/senate-police-reform-bill/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/politics/senate-police-reform-bill/index.html)
Laws can't change the world. It has to come from within...

(https://fakebuddhaquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/root-of-suffering-is-attachment-570x377.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/50/e8/33/50e833cbdf95e6db5c694f1b5c29f756.jpg)
The Dharma Wheel, Dharmachakra, or Wheel of Dharma, is one of the many sacred teachings of Buddhism and other Indian religions, such as Hinduism and Jainism. It is one of the most important and sacred symbols in the Buddhist faith as it represents Buddha's teachings.

Learn it if you truly want to change the world...
And yes, it comes close to teaching of Jesus, because Jesus was really a Buddhist...

https://youtu.be/xY0Ib3aPG6Y (https://youtu.be/xY0Ib3aPG6Y)
https://youtu.be/dcrygSAqfj4 (https://youtu.be/dcrygSAqfj4)
https://youtu.be/D9w-xJfSOyc (https://youtu.be/D9w-xJfSOyc)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 24, 2020, 08:49:19 PM
It's been my life to understand what ails the world. And what ails the world is fear...

You've mentioned both fear and attachment and I think we can safely say that fear is a manifestation of attachment.

It seems that maybe you are attached to some savior complex. You correctly diagnose the divide and conquer tactics of the US media and seem afraid that we can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Namely, that we can't simultaneously focus on both racial and universal injustice.

For what its worth, I stopped watching the brainwashing of US cable news and have lived w/o a TV for a long time. Life is more peaceful w/o the constant inflammation.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 24, 2020, 09:00:38 PM
Ok, folks, the detours is over. Back on topic, please (which is the George Floyd murder and blowback (which includes pointing out other kinds of police brutality/cruelty)). Everyone who doesn't like the premise of this thread is free to avoid it.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 24, 2020, 09:36:10 PM
Phoenix wrote:

Quote
Police reform appears to be dead in the senate.

The sticking points appear to be qualified immunity for cops, banning chokeholds and body camera requirements.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/politics/senate-police-reform-bill/index.html

I always found it a bit weird to put trust in body cameras. Requiring them already implies pretty much total lack of faith in the cops. Why keep around a work force you have no faith in?

And if you don't trust people so much that you have to record their every move, why do you think they won't find various ways around the camera thing, as many have in many instances?

To the extent that we continue with anything like a police force anywhere, qualified immunity has definitely got to end, or be vastly scaled back. You can't have an entire segment of the population that can, in the words of our fearless leader, shoot someone on 5th Avenue in broad daylight and get away with it.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 24, 2020, 10:00:39 PM
Phoenix wrote:

Quote
Police reform appears to be dead in the senate.

The sticking points appear to be qualified immunity for cops, banning chokeholds and body camera requirements.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/politics/senate-police-reform-bill/index.html

I always found it a bit weird to put trust in body cameras. Requiring them already implies pretty much total lack of faith in the cops. Why keep around a work force you have no faith in?

And if you don't trust people so much that you have to record their every move, why do you think they won't find various ways around the camera thing, as many have in many instances?

To the extent that we continue with anything like a police force anywhere, qualified immunity has definitely got to end, or be vastly scaled back. You can't have an entire segment of the population that can, in the words of our fearless leader, shoot someone on 5th Avenue in broad daylight and get away with it.

Power is corrupting. Cameras on cops are an intelligent check on abuse of power which is clearly all too common in the US. Without cameras, this thread and discussion wouldn't exist.

Almost everything is recorded these days. The NSA has an archived record of everything I post on on the internet or buy with my bank card and a location history of my cell phone. Bank tellers work under security cameras. Why should cops be exempt?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: greylib on June 25, 2020, 12:14:50 AM
Power is corrupting. Cameras on cops are an intelligent check on abuse of power which is clearly all too common in the US. Without cameras, this thread and discussion wouldn't exist.

Almost everything is recorded these days. The NSA has an archived record of everything I post on on the internet or buy with my bank card and a location history of my cell phone. Bank tellers work under security cameras. Why should cops be exempt?
Police are now starting to portray themselves as victims. If I thought people were going to tell lies about me, I'd be grateful for a camera on my chest which shows exactly what happened. Since they're not grateful, it's fairly clear that they don't really see themselves as victims.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on June 25, 2020, 03:03:47 AM
Good points, gl

Yes, it was a camera that prompted this thread (and more importantly a worldwide movement).

But it wasn't a camera worn by a cop.

I'm saying that cameras on cops is another way for some to feel that the situation is being taken care of, when in fact it is much deeper, something that a few cameras on a few cops will never begin to address.

But yeah, that they couldn't even get that weak measure through shows just how far the Republicans are to facing up to any of this sh!t
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on June 25, 2020, 12:25:58 PM
Quote
I always found it a bit weird to put trust in body cameras. Requiring them already implies pretty much total lack of faith in the cops. Why keep around a work force you have no faith in?
Perhaps because we lack any alternative, since we have only humans and not Vulcans to hire from?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: kassy on June 25, 2020, 01:58:14 PM
You don´t need Vulcans but proper training.
Training in deescalation which is woefully lacking and yes qualified immunity has to go.
And fairer policing/justice.

In fact the whole society would fare better if it was fairer with a more equal income distribution, equal chances.

We know that getting the homeless houses is cheaper then policing them. Similarly treating the drugs problem as a health care problem also saves money and has better results.

The whole system needs to be overhauled. Not that that will happen soon enough.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 25, 2020, 03:58:53 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ky6xpad5fx651.png)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on June 25, 2020, 07:51:07 PM
NASA names it DC headquarters building after its first black female engineer, Mary Jackson.

https://www.theweek.com/speedreads/921974/nasa-names-dc-headquarters-after-mary-w-jackson-1st-black-female-engineer
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on June 27, 2020, 04:26:12 AM
(https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/8ce9abf/2147483647/resize/500x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fb3%2Fdb%2F28a714404dbea14dc38a3a336ff6%2F5-jeff-danziger-washington-post-writers-group-and-cartoonist-group.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on June 29, 2020, 08:22:49 AM
Black child on London charity cycle ride injured during ‘aggressive’ arrest

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/28/black-teenager-on-family-cycle-ride-injured-during-aggressive-police-arrest
  by Nosheen Iqbal

  Excerpts:
Huugo Boateng was taking part in a charity bike ride with his father along the River Lea in north London when he says he was grabbed from his bike by a plainclothes police officer, threatened with a stun gun and fell face first into thorny bushes.
(3m45)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWtym5W1ecc
Andrew said: “If this was a normal stop and search, I could respect that. But it is obvious why we were treated the way we were. The police came in at high-octane aggression level 10. We were on a family bike ride, and my son was essentially assaulted by a police officer. We were threatened with Tasers even though we weren’t resisting, and then just put in handcuffs.”

The officers said they were responding to a stabbing in a nearby park, and that the father and son matched the description of the assailants. One officer, when questioned by Paton on camera, said: “The victim at this point was very unwilling to give us descriptions. The only thing he has given us is IC3 [police code for a black person] males on a bike … That’s very vague, isn’t it?”

Paton described the scene as “racial profiling at its worst”. The photographer, who lives on a boat on the river, had responded to Andrew’s pleas asking someone to film what was going on. “The mood was defensive, borderline aggressive and patronising,” she said. “I was disgusted. It really drove the issue [of racism] home for me. The way they spoke to Andrew, the way they treated him and kept him in handcuffs so long when he could prove so quickly he was completely innocent and the wrong person. It was just so disappointing to see.”

The Boatengs, who live in Tottenham, say they were shocked and humiliated by the experience. Huugo suffered lacerations to his face and bruises on his legs, and spent that night sleeping on his parents’ bedroom floor, anxious not to be alone.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 29, 2020, 05:19:43 PM
Cops Taze Pregnant Woman In Stomach, She Screams In Agony, Loses Her Child

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vh1_MWn814
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 30, 2020, 01:28:40 PM
(https://i.redd.it/zxizvbox1x751.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on June 30, 2020, 03:46:02 PM
Police in riot gear confront peaceful violin vigil for Elijah McClain with pepper spray

Link >> https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/police-in-riot-gear-confront-peaceful-violin-vigil-for-elijah-mcclain-with-pepper-spray-86434373957
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 01, 2020, 08:51:23 AM
Detroit police officer drives through a crowd of protesters, hitting the gas, stopping and speeding forward. Multiple injuries reported.

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hhuvv0/detroit_police_officer_drives_through_a_crowd_of/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: sidd on July 01, 2020, 08:45:23 PM
Seattle autonomous zone shut down:

 "anyone who remains in the area, or returns to the area, is subject to arrest".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53254221

sidd
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 03, 2020, 10:22:15 AM
"It is not a blue life, it's a fucking blue shirt"

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hg1bdg/it_is_not_a_blue_life_its_a_fucking_blue_shirt/

(Video at link)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 05, 2020, 02:44:37 PM
(https://i.redd.it/2pv8asygoy851.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 05, 2020, 02:49:49 PM
See the GeStaPo showing its face.

Policeman in Oregon flashing a white power sign at a Proud Boy

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/hlkxfb/policeman_in_oregon_flashing_a_white_power_sign/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on July 05, 2020, 04:02:33 PM
The impact of his dead is getting pretty big. He died on the 25th. At that point the number of infections was going down. Than the protest started all over the US. And 2 weeks later the infection started to pick up. And now they are above 50 000 a day. And the protests are still going on. Even with a lockdown it will take 3 months to bring the numbers down to a few 1000 a day. By than it will already be freezing in the north. And i think they want be able to stop it in winter. That will bring it to may/june 2021. Europe had a few protests, but not that many. And so far there is no spike like in the US.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 05, 2020, 04:26:50 PM
Why bars, not protests, are the focus of San Diego’s COVID fight
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/columnists/story/2020-07-03/column-why-bars-not-protests-are-the-focus-of-san-diegos-covid-fight

Protests aren't causing Nashville's COVID-19 spike ⁠— bar crowds are, public health leaders say
https://eu.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/03/protests-arent-causing-nashvilles-covid-19-spike-bar-crowds/5368203002/

Idaho Finds That Going to Bars, Not Going to Protests, Is Causing COVID-19 Spikes
https://www.eater.com/2020/6/24/21301793/idaho-protests-vigils-did-not-contribute-to-coronavirus-spike-but-bars-did
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: The Walrus on July 05, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
Detroit police officer drives through a crowd of protesters, hitting the gas, stopping and speeding forward. Multiple injuries reported.

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hhuvv0/detroit_police_officer_drives_through_a_crowd_of/

Detroit police chief says officers were concerned for their safety, saying protesters ‘attacked’ police vehicles.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/06/30/detroit-police-chief-defends-officers-involved-in-clash-with-protesters/%3foutputType=amp
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 05, 2020, 06:13:02 PM
... Detroit police chief says ...

Rolling on the floor laughing.

"Niemand hat die Absicht eine Mauer zu errichten" (No one has any intend to build a wall) said Walter Ulbricht just 2 months before they built the Berlin wall.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: kassy on July 05, 2020, 06:51:07 PM
The impact of his dead is getting pretty big. He died on the 25th. At that point the number of infections was going down. Than the protest started all over the US. And 2 weeks later the infection started to pick up. And now they are above 50 000 a day. And the protests are still going on. Even with a lockdown it will take 3 months to bring the numbers down to a few 1000 a day. By than it will already be freezing in the north. And i think they want be able to stop it in winter. That will bring it to may/june 2021. Europe had a few protests, but not that many. And so far there is no spike like in the US.

This a bit of a fake argument (it is not the main cause).

Getting any better at HOI IV lately?  ;)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Alexander555 on July 05, 2020, 09:18:04 PM
So thousands of people screaming in eachothers necks would not make a difference ? In the UK the bars opened this weekend. So we will see in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: GoSouthYoungins on July 05, 2020, 09:34:22 PM
Does anyone know where I can find numbers on the number of black people who are killed by white people every year in the United States? Is there a database?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 05, 2020, 09:37:58 PM
Not the topic of the thread though, GSY.

If you want to know about people being killed by the police, here you go >> https://mappingpoliceviolence.org.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on July 05, 2020, 10:22:55 PM
Wise words from Chief Joseph - Nez Perces

Excerpted from Chief Joseph, That All People May Be One People, Send Rain to Wash the Face of the Earth
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866608/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 06, 2020, 03:02:53 PM
George Floyd Toxicology Report: Explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRoqSyIi-98
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 07, 2020, 12:23:58 PM
Cops brutally assault a man who's apparently having a seizure.

Video at link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hmjkr0/this_young_man_was_having_a_seizure_and_trying_to/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 08, 2020, 01:22:48 PM
A long list of studies on institutional racism, police bias

Link >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ido70LgXsEhxcnyXE7RVS0wYJZc6aeVTpujCUPQgTrE/edit#heading=h.bc995gs5uskj
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 09, 2020, 09:11:47 AM
This is why there are so few 'good apples'.

(https://i.redd.it/ufl2cqa9xn951.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on July 10, 2020, 04:55:56 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/09/black-lives-matter-trump-tower-de-blasio

New York Mayor paints "Black Lives Matter" in front of Trump Tower.

"Washington DC was the first US city to get giant yellow “Black Lives Matter” street art when the mayor, Muriel Bowser, had it painted on the street leading to the White House."
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: JMP on July 10, 2020, 07:14:26 AM
New York Mayor paints "Black Lives Matter" in front of Trump Tower.

This is like when your heat goes out and the maintenance crew sweeps your walk instead of doing what they were hired to do.   
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 11, 2020, 04:27:36 PM
How can one possibly defend cops after seeing this?

Police beating a man in hospital bed.

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/iamatotalpieceofshit/comments/hp5wqh/police_beating_a_man_in_hopsital_bed/

Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 16, 2020, 07:32:08 PM
Cops assaulting BLM protesters, including a man in a wheelchair. This happened yesterday in Downtown Los Angeles. One of the people injured in by police even had a seizure. Meanwhile, complicit media reported the arrested individuals (including the wheelchair guy) ATTACKED LAPD.

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/2020PoliceBrutality/comments/hrwunn/cops_assaulting_blm_protesters_including_a_man_in/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 16, 2020, 07:36:00 PM
Armed troops in Portland, Oregon, are taking people prisoner in the streets while refusing to identify themselves as law enforcement and operating out of civilian vehicles. No one on scene knows what jurisdiction or capacity they are operating in, or what happened to the person taken into the van.

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hry8db/armed_troops_in_portland_oregon_are_taking_people/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 17, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
Oklahoma cops tased Jared Lakey over 50 times before he died, video shows

Link >> https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/07/17/jlok-j17.html
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phoenix on July 17, 2020, 11:21:18 PM
The Ahmaud Arbery killers plead not guilty.

This is close enough to a police killing as the defendants are claiming they were trying to make a citizen's arrest (of an innocent black man).

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/17/ahmaud-arbery-murder-suspects-plead-not-guilty
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 19, 2020, 07:56:02 PM
(https://i.redd.it/6qe6cbosr7b51.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 25, 2020, 07:57:53 PM
Portland “police” caught shouting “LEAVE NO EVIDENCE BEHIND” as they pick ammunition rounds up from the ground. Earlier in the protests, police were seen picking up tear gas canisters to hide how much they have been gassing protestors.

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/hxe7fr/portland_police_caught_shouting_leave_no_evidence/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on July 25, 2020, 08:51:30 PM
I would love to see what would happen if the protesters stayed home for a week in protest to the gestapo violence. What would they do then? Now the protesters are giving the gestapo what Trump and Fucks news want.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on July 27, 2020, 12:04:05 AM
Trump Is Putting On a Show in Portland
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/07/trump-putting-show-portland/167203/

The president is deploying the kind of performative authoritarianism that Vladimir Putin pioneered.

The very idea seems, on the face of it, sheer madness. In Portland, Oregon, federal security officers dressed for combat—wearing jungle-camouflage uniforms with unclear markings, carrying heavy weapons, using batons and tear gas—are patrolling the streets, making random arrests, throwing people into unmarked vans.

Unsurprisingly, these troops are making rudimentary mistakes. Instead of working with local leaders, they have antagonized them. Instead of coaxing people to go home, their behavior has caused more people to come out onto the streets. Instead of calming the situation, they are infuriating people. They have escalated the violence. They have made the situation worse.

... Welcome to the world of performative authoritarianism, a form of politics that reached new heights of sophistication in Russia over the past decade and has now arrived in the United States. Unlike 20th-century authoritarianism, this 21st-century, postmodern influence campaign does not require the creation of a total police state. Nor does it require complete control of information, or mass arrests. It can be carried out, instead, with a few media outlets and a few carefully targeted arrests.

... The chaos in Portland is not an accident. The chaos is the point.

The chaos is also a tactic, and now it will be put to use. Now that it has been deliberately escalated, the violence will provide pictures, footage, video clips, and other material for Trump’s media supporters, and eventually for his campaign advertisements. On Fox News, Sean Hannity has already denounced Portland as a “war zone.” Tucker Carlson has spoken of protesters as “mobs” who keep liberal Democrats in power. The next stage will implicate Joe Biden in this same story: The president’s aides have told journalists that Biden, if he wins, will “allow left-wing fascists to destroy America.” Protesters, mobs, chaos, fascists, the left, the “Dems”, Biden—they’re all one narrative. The Trump administration will show people pictures of its uniformed troops pushing back against them, restoring order with a strong hand. And it will use the kind of language that appeals to that part of the population that prizes safety over all else.

Students of modern dictatorship will find these tactics wearily familiar. Russian President Vladimir Putin, whom Trump admires, has deployed performative authoritarianism, alongside other tools, in order to keep himself in power for many years now. ... Russian state television showed scenes of violence over and over again—scenes that Putin himself had helped create, first by encouraging the former Ukrainian president to shoot at demonstrators, and then by invading the country. He sent troops in unmarked uniforms—the infamous “little green men”—into Crimea and eventually eastern Ukraine to “dominate” the situation, to use Trump’s own word for his tactics in Portland. Or at least that was the way it was meant to look on TV.

... Just this week, Trump’s official Facebook page published an advertisement purporting to show yet another scene of American urban violence. The slogan reads public safety vs chaos & violence, and the ad contrasts a photograph of a somber, concerned Trump with another showing demonstrators pummeling a police officer. But the latter image was not taken in Portland. Sourced from the internet, it was taken in … Ukraine. In 2014. In the ad, which is attributed to Evangelicals for Trump, the insignia on the officer’s shoulder includes a Ukrainian Orthodox cross.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53500610

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/375/cpsprodpb/0485/production/_113575110_trump.jpg)
The Big Lie

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/A_police_officer_attacked_by_protesters_during_clashes_in_Ukraine%2C_Kyiv._Events_of_February_18%2C_2014-1.jpg/1280px-A_police_officer_attacked_by_protesters_during_clashes_in_Ukraine%2C_Kyiv._Events_of_February_18%2C_2014-1.jpg)
Image of protesters in Kyiv, Ukraine taken on Feb.18, 2014

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Trump Is Determined to Split the Country in Two
https://www.defenseone.com/politics/2020/07/trump-determined-split-country-two/167209/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on July 27, 2020, 05:56:53 PM
There were 66 vehicle-ramming attacks against activists by right-wing terrorists  across the country in the nearly six weeks immediately after the police killing of George Floyd in late May. The New York Times reported that eye-opening stat on July 7. It’s a tactic that began in the West Bank and was employed by Hamas about a decade ago. ISIS followers picked it up later, terrorism scholar Mia Bloom wrote in Just Security on July 16.
https://www.justsecurity.org/71431/vehicle-ramming-the-evolution-of-a-terrorist-tactic-inside-the-us/

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Associated Press reports today “A protest against police violence in Austin, Texas, turned deadly when police said a protester was shot and killed by a person who drove through a crowd of marchers. And someone was shot and wounded in Aurora, Colorado, after a car drove through a protest there.”

https://apnews.com/4e6c60018ec531c889b1f6b963ff1d56

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/26/us/austin-shooting-texas-protests.html
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 27, 2020, 06:49:28 PM
Neo-nazi terrorists & police. The fascists dream-team.

(https://i.redd.it/01ck0zuqidd51.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on July 27, 2020, 10:31:05 PM
Revealed: Oil Giants Help Fund Powerful Police Groups In Top US Cities
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/27/fossil-fuels-oil-gas-industry-police-foundations

Investigation portrays fossil fuel industry as common enemy in struggle for racial and environmental justice in America

Big corporations accused of driving environmental and health inequalities in black and brown communities through toxic and climate-changing pollution are also funding powerful police groups in major US cities, according to a new investigation.

Some of America’s largest oil and gas companies, private utilities, and financial institutions that bankroll fossil fuels also back police foundations – opaque private entities that raise money to pay for training, weapons, equipment, and surveillance technology for departments across the US.

The investigation by the Public Accountability Initiative, a nonprofit corporate and government accountability research institute, and its research database project LittleSis, details how police foundations in cities such as Seattle, Chicago, Washington, New Orleans and Salt Lake City are partially funded by household names such as Chevron, Shell and Wells Fargo.

Report: https://news.littlesis.org/2020/07/27/fossil-fuel-industry-pollutes-black-brown-communities-while-propping-up-racist-policing

Police foundations are industry groups that provide substantial funds to local departments, yet, as nonprofits, avoid much public scrutiny.

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Modern-day Pinkertons?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency)

... During the labor strikes of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, businessmen hired the Pinkerton Agency to infiltrate unions, supply guards, keep strikers and suspected unionists out of factories, and recruit goon squads to intimidate workers.  ...

See also: Ford Hunger March/Massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Hunger_March
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: kassy on July 28, 2020, 02:56:58 AM
opaque private entities that raise money to pay for training, weapons, equipment, and surveillance technology for departments across the US.

How can that even be a thing.
And why are Americans ok with that?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on July 28, 2020, 03:00:03 AM
It's called an oligarchy   :-\
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 29, 2020, 05:30:42 PM
Cops violently arrest 14 y/o girl, while ignoring Proud Boy (neo-nazis) who punches a teenager right in front of them. Eugene, OR

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/AntifascistsofReddit/comments/hzi58y/cops_violently_arrest_14_yo_girl_while_ignoring/

Video at link.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on July 29, 2020, 11:04:50 PM
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Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on July 30, 2020, 04:15:03 AM
So they did find out that the guy who started the first building on fire was basically a Nazi (part of some gang with Aryan in the title).

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/ct-nw-george-floyd-unrest-umbrella-man-20200728-j5dwkcthcfg7djdsctcvr7thcq-story.html

I find myself more and more saying the line from Indiana Jones: "Nazis, I hate these guys"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sp3dIyNA2A
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 30, 2020, 08:46:06 AM
05:36h of video footage of police brutality in 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efe1IWmKOAQ
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 30, 2020, 09:28:19 AM
(https://i.redd.it/fr16jzmjksd51.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 30, 2020, 09:50:46 AM
Double standards anyone?

(https://i.imgur.com/uZSxyii.png)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on July 30, 2020, 07:37:03 PM
So much this:

(https://i.redd.it/vuugdmh4tzd51.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on July 30, 2020, 11:31:01 PM
The Justice Department’s militarized police force is expanding to Cleveland, Detroit, and Milwaukee — which just happen to be “Cities in the swing states of Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin,” David Gura of NBC News pointed out Wednesday, after DOJ announced the pivot
https://twitter.com/davidgura/status/1288496670607646720

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/operation-legend-expanded-cleveland-detroit-and-milwaukee
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on August 01, 2020, 03:38:17 PM
The final moments of Mike Ramos' life have been released. It shows him pleading, unarmed, with hands up before being shot and murdered by cops
Trigger warning: Death

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/i1eolq/the_final_moments_of_mike_ramos_life_have_been/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on August 01, 2020, 05:58:02 PM
"If you can talk, you can breathe. Chill out." Conway, Arkansas officer dismisses cry of suspect being unable to breathe. He later died. The officers involved in the arrest were cleared of any criminal wrongdoing.

Link >> https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/i1lz7k/if_you_can_talk_you_can_breathe_chill_out_conway/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on August 01, 2020, 06:05:46 PM
(https://i.redd.it/8wk2009b8ee51.png)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on August 02, 2020, 06:40:01 PM
AP Analysis of 200 Portland Arrests Finds Most Charged for Nonviolent Acts

Link >> https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/ap-analysis-of-200-portland-arrests-debunks-myth-of-anarchists-most-charged-with-nonviolent-offenses.html
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on August 04, 2020, 11:56:48 AM
Police bodycam footage shows moment-by-moment arrest of George Floyd

Trigger warning for obvious reasons. This is heartbreaking. A grown man terrified for his life - and he was right. It just hurts to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPSwqp5fdIw
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on August 04, 2020, 09:35:40 PM
You can't make this shit up. Surely the 6yo was a huge danger for those cops.

Cops Handcuff Children, Assume Black Family Stole Vehicle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOLwsQSLM0Q
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on August 05, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
Bill Barr Unsure If Peaceful Protesters Should Be Beaten

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_x9lzUpm2E
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: JMP on August 06, 2020, 06:38:01 AM
So much this:

(https://i.redd.it/vuugdmh4tzd51.jpg)

I love the symmetry of this logic and how one may apply that (ie judging multiple groups by the same metric).   

Also (not to defend them) cops are humans like the criminals and in my experience cops are as much the criminals as the public....  Why are so many people blind to that?   I can understand the want and need for a savior-force (just as with the tooth fairy) but what makes people delude themselves that it's actually possible or REAL?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: The Walrus on August 06, 2020, 04:11:40 PM
True.  Cops are no different from anyone else, and should be held to similar standards.  Unfortunately, many cops (and this applies to people in many other professions also) are given a break compared to the general population due to their line of work.  When someone in the underclass or menial job gets accused of wrongdoing, the onus is on them to prove otherwise.  When a similar accusation occurs to someone in a higher position, they are presumed innocent, and their accuser must show proof.  Should not everyone be granted that same benefit.  Recently, a provost at the University of Michigan has been fired due to sexual misconduct.  Allegations began to surface in 2003, but were brushed under the table in order to avoid tarnishing his reputation.  His reputation in research, diversity, and inclusion clouded the eyes of those who would investigate such accusations.  Had he been on a lower rung, I suspect these accusations would have received a much closer look.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on August 06, 2020, 05:20:35 PM
Or these two cops who raped an 18yo girl. They plead guilty to 11 charges. They walked away free anyway... You can't make this up.  :-[

Link >> https://theintercept.com/2019/08/30/nypd-anna-chambers-rape-probation/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on August 07, 2020, 09:25:35 AM
The New George Floyd Footage Proves NOTHING, Except that Conservatives WANT YOU DEAD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSUf2R6eMOc
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: blumenkraft on August 07, 2020, 09:34:03 AM
Quote
MINNEAPOLIS – A medical examiner’s finding that George Floyd had drugs in his system when he died is a “red herring” designed to draw attention away from the responsibility of a Minneapolis police officer who pressed his knee into Floyd’s neck for several minutes, even after he stopped moving, an attorney for Floyd’s family said Tuesday.

Link >> http://archive.is/vjKTP#selection-1339.0-1339.340
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on August 09, 2020, 09:29:22 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2020/jul/30/young-british-black-from-shetland-to-monmouth-three-young-voices-behind-the-uks-anti-racism-protests-video
(3m20)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJd1mfZYLUs&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on August 10, 2020, 09:29:15 PM
<removed a repost of this post >> https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1562.msg280461.html#msg280461 - off-topic - BK >
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on August 29, 2020, 10:30:43 AM
Michelle Obama: 'I'm just devastated by the shootings in Kenosha'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/28/michelle-obama-kenosha-shooting-wisconsin-jacob-blake
  by Kari Paul

Exerpts:

In a lengthy statement released on Friday, the former first lady condemned the shooting of Jacob Blake, a Wisconsin man shot seven times in the back by police in front of his children, as well as the shooting of three protesters by an alleged 17-year-old rightwing militant in the protests that followed.

“I’m just devastated by the shootings in Kenosha,” she wrote. “Like so many of you, I’m exhausted and frustrated right now. It’s a weight that I know Black and Brown people all across the country are shouldering once again. And we’re so often left wondering how things will get better.”

“These protests and actions will not make Jacob Blake walk again. They will not erase the trauma from those children. And they will not bring back anyone who’s been taken from us. But they will do something. They already are – opening eyes, rattling consciences and reminding people of all backgrounds that this problem wasn’t solved earlier this summer and it won’t be any time soon unless we all make a change,” she said.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Freegrass on August 29, 2020, 11:02:23 AM
So many shootings right before an election... Coincidence?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: The Walrus on August 29, 2020, 02:38:38 PM
So many shootings right before an election... Coincidence?

Unfortunately no.  The past few years have averaged almost three daily.  The media and public responses may have increased though.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on August 29, 2020, 04:20:37 PM
I think it's business as usual Freegrass. But now, since the uproar from the murder/killing of George Floyd (and earlier racist killings), the attacked and oppressed people (in their own country) are not taking it any longer. Nothing's changed and the right-wing violent extremists and government seem to be on the same side.
Perhaps they should bond with the first nation people and hispanics.

edit: but I agree that it's convenient for re-election purposes (fear).
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on August 29, 2020, 05:05:39 PM
Ketamine That’s Injected During Arrests Draws New Scrutiny
https://apnews.com/a872ba9aeeba2f5b0624f8af77f928d3

DENVER (AP) — Police stopped Elijah McClain on the street in suburban Denver last year after deeming the young Black man suspicious. He was thrown into a chokehold, threatened with a dog and stun gun, then subjected to another law enforcement tool before he died: a drug called ketamine.

An analysis by The Associated Press of policies on ketamine and cases where the drug was used during police encounters uncovered a lack of police training, conflicting medical standards and nonexistent protocols that have resulted in hospitalizations and even deaths.

On Monday, it will have been a year since McClain, 23, was stopped by officers responding to a 911 call about a suspicious person wearing a ski mask and waving his arms. Police put him in a chokehold twice and multiple officers pressed their body weight into him.

Paramedics were called and injected McClain with ketamine, but they incorrectly estimated his weight, giving him more than 1.5 times the dose he should have received. He got 500 milligrams because they thought he weighed 220 pounds, but he was only 140 pounds and should have received 315 milligrams.

He suffered cardiac arrest, was later declared brain dead and taken off life support.

... There are no federal standards for law enforcement or emergency medical personnel on the drug’s use. State policies and reporting requirements vary, so it’s not clear how regularly it’s used during police encounters and why.

The American Society of Anesthesiologists opposes it and other sedatives for law enforcement purposes, saying, “These effects can end in death when administered in a non-health care setting without appropriately trained medical personnel and necessary equipment.”

There were 902 reported instances of Colorado paramedics administering ketamine from 2018 to 2020, and almost 17% had complications, including cardiac arrest and oxygen deprivation, the state health department said.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: vox_mundi on September 05, 2020, 02:31:55 AM
Charges Filed Against Militia Members Traveling to Kenosha
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/04/politics/militia-members-kenosha/index.html

Two members of the 417 Second Amendment Militia group from Missouri traveling to Kenosha, Wisconsin, were arrested Thursday by federal officials and charged with illegally possessing a cache of weapons.

FBI agents found in their hotel room an Armory AR-15 rifle, a Mossberg 500 AB 12-Gauge shotgun, two handguns, a silencer, ammunition, body armor, a drone, a twisted cable survival saw, a dagger and other materials, prosecutors said. They each have criminal records and were not authorized to have any firearms of ammunition, prosecutors said.

Their criminal complaints contained screenshots of Karmo's Facebook page where he posed in all black attire and in one photograph is allegedly holding a gun with a laser.

They traveled by car to Kenosha to "see for themselves" what was going on at the protests, attended a "Make America Great Again" rally and planned to go to Portland to "take action" if police were defunded, according to Karmo's criminal complaint.

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Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on September 14, 2020, 06:58:28 AM
Georgia deputy filmed punching Black man in front of children is fired
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/georgia-deputy-punching-black-man-traffic-stop-roderick-walker
  by Associated Press in Atlanta, Georgia


(59s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krYqr89txs4

 Excerpts:
Roderick Walker, 26, was arrested and beaten on Friday, after deputies pulled over the vehicle he was riding in with his girlfriend, their five-month-old child and his stepson for an alleged broken taillight, attorney Shean William said on Sunday.

The deputies asked for identification, Williams said, then demanded Walker get out of the vehicle when he questioned why they needed it since he wasn’t driving.

The subsequent arrest, captured on video by a bystander and shared widely, shows two deputies on top of Walker, one repeatedly punching him. Walker’s girlfriend screams and tells the deputies Walker said he can’t breathe. A child in the vehicle yells: “Daddy.”

As Walker is handcuffed, the deputy who punched him tells the bystander Walker bit him. Williams said his client denies biting the deputy. Walker was trying to survive and lost consciousness at least twice during the beating, Williams said. A photo of Walker taken in jail showed a welt under his left eye.

“My reaction to the video is that it just shows unfortunately another incident where an African American male’s civil rights have been violated by people and officers and law enforcement who have the duty first to protect and serve,” Williams said.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on September 14, 2020, 10:05:31 AM
Why did police stop and search Bianca Williams and Ricardo Dos Santos?
Stop and search of two athletes in London renews concerns about police powers

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/jul/06/why-did-police-stop-and-search-bianca-williams-and-ricardo-dos-santos
  by Jamie Grierson

Excerpts:

What happened?

Williams and her partner, Dos Santos, were stopped as they were driving a Mercedes in Maida Vale on Saturday.

Video of the incident, posted by Linford Christie on Twitter, showed officers telling Dos Santos and Williams, who were travelling with their three-month-old son, they were going to be searched. Williams is heard repeatedly saying: “My son is in the car.”

Williams, 26, a European and Commonwealth relay gold medallist, and Dos Santos, 25, a Portuguese 400m record holder, have said they fear they were targeted because they are black.


..Following a search of the vehicle, the man and the woman, nothing was found. No arrests were made and the occupants were allowed on their way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y99GoIiAF1E

Are they able to search vehicles without suspicion any offence has taken place?

The police can search people or vehicles without suspicion under a stop and search power known as section 60. A section 60 is a power which allows police officers to stop and search anyone in a specific area without needing to have reasonable grounds.

But this did not apply in the case of Williams and Dos Santos.

Under the Road Traffic Act, police officers can stop vehicles without any grounds but are unable to search the vehicles. They are only able to ask questions of the driver and request licence details.


Stop and search powers are used disproportionately against people from BAME backgrounds, particularly black men.

In England and Wales, black men are 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched than white men. In some force areas, this is higher: police in Dorset are 25 times more likely to search black men than white men.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 18, 2020, 01:30:56 PM
Can anyone refute this (except by ad hominem)?

Who Killed George Floyd?
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/09/who_killed_george_floyd.html
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The issue here is fentanyl.

 Here's how the respected website, WebMD, describes the effects of fentanyl:

“[F]entanyl has rapid and potent effects on the brain and body, and even very small amounts can be extremely dangerous.

“It only takes a tiny amount of the drug to cause a deadly reaction,” ... “Fentanyl can depress breathing and lead to death. The risk of overdose is high with fentanyl.”

Here’s what the CDC says about fentanyl. “It is 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine.” https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/opioids/fentanyl.html

Of course George couldn’t breathe -- because fentanyl, mixed with methamphetamines, kills breathing.  Despite the bad optics, “I can’t breathe” was not because of the officer’s knee.

Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: SteveMDFP on September 18, 2020, 02:16:37 PM
Can anyone refute this (except by ad hominem)?

Who Killed George Floyd?
 

Absurd obfuscation.  Opioids suppress respiratory drive.  At toxic levels, people cease feeling a need to breathe.  Nobody who stopped breathing because of opioid overdose ever said "I can't breathe."
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on September 18, 2020, 04:36:50 PM
Thanks for responding to Tom, Steve.
Tom, didn't you have any seconds thoughts when you posted that? You seem an intelligent man who wants to be a good human.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 18, 2020, 07:24:36 PM
nanning, I read an article which depicted the event in a very different light. I am not a doctor so I asked if anyone could refute the points made. Can a fentanyl OD act as described? I will accept that the alleged OD would not manifest as depicted in the article.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on September 19, 2020, 06:41:42 AM
Tom, this "very different light" is an attempt to play down the callous police violence.
Don't you see how it is doing that?
It is the same kind of "different light" that Pres.Trump shines on Portland; "it's the black protesters who loot and riot". Which in reality is the other way around; it were the federal agents and white supremacists.
Do you see what's being done?
Fighting that pattern of iies and obfuscation is one of the reasons for this thread.

Please do not post 'volatile' stuff without checking against other (trusted) sources because what you posted might be very insulting and painful for the e.g. mother of George Floyd. Focussing in this case on Fentanyl in stead of on the police violence is a racist thing to do.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 19, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
What are the "trusted" sources? I posted a source which was against the main stream depiction of the event and asked for a refutation from the wisdom of the ASIF crowd, and SteveMDFP answered. He answered with a point on the data in in the article, not with a "it's not a trusted source". As for the rioting, it seems to be perpetrated by both sides, mixed in with people who are trying to be peaceful. I expect more of this violence after the POTUS election, btw, whoever wins.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on September 19, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
I don't pretend to know all the trustworthy sources but before posting this specific article in this specific thread, you should check a bit more and realise what it is doing; what I described above.
It's trying to get the police off the hook. "Look over there". Changing the context and therefore the seriousness of what happened in the light of U.S.A. police using excessive voilence and deathly violence disproportionally on just your black/brown skinned fellow 'americans'. It is paramount that that behaviour stops and is highlighted every time. Not played down and victim-blaming.
The Guardian would never post an article like that.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 19, 2020, 05:00:12 PM
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because what you posted might be very insulting and painful for the e.g. mother of George Floyd.
nanning, did you stop to think that the posts on this thread might be "very insulting and painful" for people like, for example, JOSHUA T. MIKTARIAN's twelve year old daughter, whose father was killed when she was a baby because he made a traffic stop of an African American?
https://www.odmp.org/officer/19451-police-officer-joshua-t-miktarian
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on September 19, 2020, 05:49:10 PM
Tom, were blumenkraft still here, he would go completely medieval on you for that post. And rightly so imo.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on September 19, 2020, 06:27:29 PM
Thanks for trying to engage, nanning. Floyd was murdered half way between my house and where my parents live, just a couple k away.

I try not to engage with this kind of despicable display of bigotry, because I it's not worth the time and elevated blood pressure.

I, too, miss blum in these (and many other) cases.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 19, 2020, 08:10:40 PM
What about going medieval on calling me a racist because I asked for a rebuttal to that article?
I don't know how many people have been killed by police officers acting in the line of duty in the last five years, but according to that site 1,065 officers have died in the line of duty. You asked how George Floyd's mother would feel, so I asked you how Joshua Miktarian's daughter would feel. Don't play the guilt card if you don't want it played against you.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on September 20, 2020, 12:44:59 PM
I would like to hear from our European colleagues on something.

My impression is that even most arch-conservatives in Europe agree that the police--the public servants paid by the citizens to protect them--should not be regularly brutalizing and killing those same citizens for no cause and generally with impunity.

Is that generally true?


Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 20, 2020, 01:01:17 PM
I don’t know about Europe but I agree with the statement. It is in specific cases it gets messy, because we would rather release ten guilty than punish one innocent. So were the officers adhering to SOP at the time? Were they afraid for themselves or others? And so on. Also, 99% of police are trying to be good public servants, just like 99% of civilians are just trying to be good citizens. But that still makes for thousand of rogue cops and millions of criminals. And in 2020 there is the general worsening of politics on top of all that.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on September 20, 2020, 01:35:18 PM
When nearly a hundred police lined up down the street from me and opened fire on peaceful, unarmed protesters exercising their first amendment rights, 0% of them imho were "trying to be good public servants"

At that point, it wasn't part of their job description, essentially

For just once, I would like to see one cop in such circumstances either walk away, or walk over to the other side, hold up his hands, and join the protesters who were similarly holding up their hands as they bravely, unarmed walked toward police who were firing at them
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 20, 2020, 04:57:07 PM
wili, how many protesters were hurt? Can you give me a news link to this incident?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on September 20, 2020, 06:54:13 PM
I know people who were in the protest, saw some of this myself, and there was lots of live streaming at the time. It seems to be difficult now to find these videos, but if you try, I'm sure you can find some. People had their eyes put out, as well as other injuries. They seemed to have especially aimed at men's crotches, with some sustaining permanent damage to their testicles.

I have to go now and make ten gallons of chili to feed my neighbors many of whom are now in a deeper crisis than ever.

Best wishes to all in difficult times
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on September 21, 2020, 09:05:18 AM
https://www.gucmakale.com/wp/massive-study-says-more-than-95-percent-of-all-black-lives-matter-protests-were-peaceful/?

Massive Study Says More Than 95 Percent Of All Black Lives Matter Protests Were Peaceful
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: oren on September 21, 2020, 10:23:18 AM
Tom, may I suggest something to you? You brought an article and innocently asked for a refutation. I don't think anyone should go medieval on you for it, as you did not realize you were publicizing a biased and malicious source.
(Blum would go medieval, but he would be wrong).
However, it is on you now to remember that the source you read and brought here is indeed biased and malicious. You should stop reading it, and certainly stop posting further articles from it.
I would suggest doing this with all your sources. You shall recognize them by their lies and by their biases. If you want to build a good understanding of the world around you, best stick to the objective sources. Remember - you are what you read.
Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 21, 2020, 11:59:00 AM
I used to go to abortion protests when I lived in Maple Heights and got some abuse (and the opposite) from passerby but police never showed up. I believe in even pro choice protests being held, so certainly protests against racism. Does anyone else have information on the incident wiki described, or any other similar incidents?
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on September 21, 2020, 05:27:00 PM
Good advice oren, and indeed 'medieval' is a bit over the top. I think it means torture chambers and blum would not do that :)

it's almost as if Tom keeps relighting the 'fire' on purpose. I might post a song in the good music thread about it ;)
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 21, 2020, 06:49:06 PM
I find it interesting that Right wing publications like American Thinker are verboten but Left wing publications like Guardian are the salt of the Earth.
I refuse to be either Left or Right. If polled I say Catholic and if polled by a machine I say Moderate (which really doesn’t describe me). Apparently in this country if you are in favor of helping the poor and are opposed to pollution you are a Far Left Extremist. Also, if you are opposed to abortion and same sex marriage you are a Far Right Extremist. So I am simultaneously a Far Left Extremist and a Far Right Extremist (?????).
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Phil42 on September 21, 2020, 08:48:38 PM
... Does anyone else have information on the incident wiki described, or any other similar incidents?

I am going to assume that you ask in good faith and simply don't find any sources about wili's described and similar incidents. That said, it is really not hard not find information / videos
/ stories / articles of (especially US) police violence. I will list some sources that I found in a quick search. Trigger warning: Some footage may contain extreme police violence / NSFW content.

Videos:
https://www.reddit.com/r/2020PoliceBrutality/top/
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1266751520055459847
https://twitter.com/trevortimm/status/1268621018857213954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1268621018857213954%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2020%2Fjun%2F06%2Fpolice-violence-protests-us-george-floyd

Articles:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/31/the-counted-police-killings-2015-young-black-men (2015)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/06/police-violence-protests-us-george-floyd
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/16/its-not-about-bad-apples-how-us-police-reforms-have-failed-to-stop-brutality-and-violence
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/us-police-floyd-protests-country-comparisons-intl/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/08/14/gun-violence-black-community-police-brutality-eg-orig.cnn
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/lost-eye-price-protesting-police-brutality-200620215047122.html

Now, I haven't watched all the videos and fully read all the articles myself. I just wanted to provide some links for people that have a hard time getting into this topic. Imo, to deny that police brutality (especially against PoC) is a huge problem, one has to actively close both eyes.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on September 21, 2020, 08:52:57 PM
Thanks, phil

unicorn riot did a bunch of live streaming at the time. I haven't poked around in their archives, but that might be a place to look if anyone is interested

nanning, though 'get medieval' may have started with reference to medieval torture, its overuse and perhaps its use at the end of the comic parody 'Amish Paradise' by Al Yankovich, has made it more often slightly ironic and even comical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfZLb33uCg
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on September 28, 2020, 01:14:33 PM
Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html
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A new study confirms that black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police.

But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias.
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: nanning on October 03, 2020, 06:00:06 AM
The controversy around BLM fashion highlights the systemic racism that the movement is trying to change

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2020/sep/28/why-it-matters-when-black-lives-matter-clothing-is-banned
  by Priya Elan

in the U.S.A. it seems that human rights statements are political
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: wili on October 13, 2020, 06:29:06 PM
For any who still think the people of Minneapolis burnt down their own city, note that out of the 21 arson defendants, only 1 is a Minneapolis resident. Almost all the rest are from the suburbs, out state or even out of state.

Matthew Lee Rupert had reportedly been arrested 44 times in his hometown of Galesburg, Ill.

“I’m going to Minneapolis tomorrow,” said Rupert, 28, in a Facebook post, hours before allegedly lighting a Minneapolis Sprint store on fire, looting a Home Depot and encouraging others to throw incendiaries at police during the riots. “Who coming. Only goons. I’m renting hotel rooms.”

https://www.twincities.com/2020/10/10/federal-charges-arson-george-floyd-protests-minneapolis-st-paul/
Title: Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on October 13, 2020, 06:31:22 PM
Why do these idiots do things like post on Facebook the crimes they are going to commit? How do they expect to get away with it?