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Title: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: vox_mundi on August 04, 2020, 08:37:50 PM
This is very, very bad ...

Port of Beirut Explosion
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35363/gigantic-explosion-and-shockwave-rips-through-beiruts-port

As smoke clears, port of Beirut devastated- added to casualties- billons of $ in imports including national wheat silos-seem to have been eviscerated. Homes shattered for miles. Damages will be massive and could not come at worse time when everyone is broke and hungry.

https://mobile.twitter.com/timourazhari/status/1290666778255908866
Video

I'll update shortly

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The bane of working with 5pt type on a smartphone. Thanks bk

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Edwinazzi/status/1290669143830790145
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LakkisNancy/status/1290672938568560641
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https://mobile.twitter.com/zainabhijazi97/status/1290669240173965313
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Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: blumenkraft on August 04, 2020, 08:49:44 PM
There are a lot of videos on Twitter. This explosion is devastating. Reminds me of the 2015 Tianjin explosions.

Apparently a warehouse filled with fireworks caught fire.

https://twitter.com/AbirGhattas/status/1290673064544546816

https://twitter.com/Ali_YHijazi/status/1290681331727372290

https://twitter.com/AbirGhattas/status/1290678187362484224

https://twitter.com/FalafelOfficial/status/1290670298296201218

https://twitter.com/waad_hachem/status/1290670810504540160

https://twitter.com/AbirGhattas/status/1290671847227392002
 
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: vox_mundi on August 04, 2020, 09:15:49 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/air_intel/status/1290676373485490177
Video: Structures to the left are were grain elevators

Video and pictures are now emerging of the aftermath of the explosion, which looks to have been absolutely devastating. Some sort of conflagration in a warehouse on the dock itself may also have been the epicenter of at least one of the blasts.

There are reports now of hundreds of casualties and that the Lebanese military is assisting in the response efforts. Power outages are also being reported as a result of the explosions.

Grain elavator absolutely destroyed along with the surrounding area. The pressure within those from the fire would have been unbelievable.

There are now reports that a burning container of fireworks then set off the huge secondary explosion at the nearby warehouse, which contained sodium or ammonium nitrate. (similar to the Galveston port explosion) It's unclear whether the fireworks-filled container was actually on a ship or was on the dock.

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The head of Lebanon's Beirut Governorate, which includes the capital city of the same name, has also described the incident as a "national disaster akin to Hiroshima," referring to the U.S. nuclear bombing of Hiroshima, Japan, during World War II.

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All Beirut hospitals have exceeded their capacity and cannot receive any further patients.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1290710561450340353

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There are reports that the blast in Beirut was so strong that people on the island of Cyprus, some 240 kilometers (nearly 150 miles) northwest in the Mediterranean Sea, felt it.

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Real-time network data show significant internet outage in #Lebanon following reports of blast near #Beirut impacting ability to contact eyewitnesses; circumstance and cause remain unclear; incident ongoing; see live report for updates
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: Bruce Steele on August 04, 2020, 09:23:19 PM
Looked up Beirut port grain silos. Shows map and comments on cause.
http://wikimapia.org/14941283/Grain-Silos
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: vox_mundi on August 04, 2020, 09:31:41 PM
Dozens killed, thousands wounded in Beirut blast: Live updates
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/huge-explosion-rocks-lebanon-capital-beirut-live-updates-200804163620414.html

Lebanese Health Minister Hassan Hamad says more than 25 people have been killed and more than 2,500 are wounded.

"It is a disaster in every sense of the word," Hamad said in an interview with several television channels while visiting a hospital in the Lebanese capital.

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Secretary General of Lebanese Kataeb Party among the dead

Among the dead is the Secretary General of the Lebanese Kataeb Party, the party has announced.

The headquarters of the Kataeb Party, one of the oldest parties in the country, is located right next to the port.

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Dozens of people being turned away from hospital

Dozens of people are trying to enter a hospital in Beirut and are being turned away, Al Jazeera's Timour Azhari said.

"People are discussing about which hospital they can get to across the city. This hospital, the Hotel-Dieu hospital has formally announced that people should stop coming here."

"There are corridors lined with wounded, bloody people," Azhari said.

"There are people crying. The hospital itself has sustained damage; its ceiling looks very precarious, it looks like it's going to fall apart."

... "Ambulances have been called from across the country to help in the rescue effort. It was a massive explosion; you can see the fire trucks arriving at the scene trying to put out the flame.

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(https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2020/8/4/810fb3ce028e41f89c7bfaa6a7f905c4_18.jpg)

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Ammonium nitrate stored in the port: Interior Minister

The Lebanese Interior Minister has said that ammonium nitrate was stored in the port, which is what caused the explosion, local media reported.

He said Lebanese customs should be asked about why it was there.

Lebanon-based broadcaster Mayadeen cited the country's customs director saying tonnes of nitrate exploded.

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'Cars were thrown three floors up onto roofs of factories': Al Jazeera correspondent

Al Jazeera's Timour Azhari reaching the Beirut port shortly after the explosion, said the site looks like a "wasteland" with debris seen everywhere.

"Cars [from the ground] were thrown three floors up onto roofs of factories here," Azhari said.

"Rescue services have not been able to reach the actual site of the explosion yet because fires are still raging. Helicopters are circling the area trying to extinguish the fire," Azhari said.

Azhari spoke to the captain of an Italian civilian ship, the Orient Queen, that was docked near the blast site.

"He was covered in blood after the explosion threw him across a room of his ship. Several people on board were wounded and taken to hospital.

"It really was an incredible explosion. People here are saying that they have never seen anything like it.
Even on the way here the roads were covered in glass," Azhari said.

Pictures
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/pictures-lebanon-capital-beirut-shaken-massive-explosion-200804162150133.html
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: blumenkraft on August 04, 2020, 09:50:11 PM
19:38 GMT - At least 50 people killed: health minister

 :-[
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: vox_mundi on August 05, 2020, 12:41:09 AM
20% of the Hiroshima nuke ...

'Unacceptable' 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate stored without safety measures: Aoun
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/huge-explosion-rocks-lebanon-capital-beirut-live-updates-200804163620414.html

General Security Chief Abbas Ibrahim said some 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate were in Beirut's port on the way to Africa when they exploded.

Ibrahim made the comments after the meeting of Lebanon's Higher Defence Council.

Lebanese President Michel Aoun said that it is "unacceptable" that 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate were stored in a warehouse for six years without safety measures, according to statements published on the presidency's Twitter account.

Aoun also pledged that those responsible would face the "harshest punishments" and said a two-week state of emergency should be declared.

Death toll rises to 73

According to Lebanon's health ministry, the death toll has risen to 73, with 3,700 wounded.

At least 60 of the wounded people were in critical condition, according to the Red Cross.
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: glennbuck on August 05, 2020, 01:07:24 AM
Lebanon 9/11

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/aug/04/beirut-explosion-footage-shows-massive-blast-shaking-lebanons-capital-video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93tV6-0Ugwk
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: glennbuck on August 05, 2020, 01:26:48 AM
20% of the Hiroshima nuke ...



Terrible video from this, 20% of the Hiroshima bomb, where do you get them stats from
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: Sebastian Jones on August 05, 2020, 01:44:05 AM
Bellingcat has some additional details, disagrees with the quantity of Ammonium nitrate by a factor of ten.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2020/08/04/what-just-blew-up-in-beirut/ (https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2020/08/04/what-just-blew-up-in-beirut/)
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: vox_mundi on August 05, 2020, 02:06:35 AM
Back-of-the-envelope

Hiroshima bomb ~ 10 - 15 kilotons TNT

2.38 kg of ammonium nitrate = 1.00 kg of TNT

2750 tons = 2.75 kilotons AN = 1.16 kilotons TNT

~ 8 - 12% of Hiroshima bomb

Minor Scale, a 1985 United States conventional explosion, using 4,744 tons of ANFO explosive to provide a scaled equivalent airblast of an eight kiloton (33.44 TJ) nuclear device,[14] is believed to be the largest planned detonation of conventional explosives in history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent

I disagree with the 240 ton estimate by bellingcat. It doesn't match evidence.
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: glennbuck on August 05, 2020, 02:42:41 AM
Back-of-the-envelope

Hiroshima bomb ~ 10 - 15 kilotons TNT

2.38 kg of ammonium nitrate = 1.00 kg of TNT

2750 tons = 2.75 kilotons AN = 1.16 kilotons TNT

~ 8 - 12% of Hiroshima bomb

Minor Scale, a 1985 United States conventional explosion, using 4,744 tons of ANFO explosive to provide a scaled equivalent airblast of an eight kiloton (33.44 TJ) nuclear device,[14] is believed to be the largest planned detonation of conventional explosives in history.


Ok nice, this explosion is being compared to this past explosion in Texas in 1947.

The Texas City disaster is generally considered the worst industrial accident in American history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: prokaryotes on August 05, 2020, 03:04:42 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EenHhUwWoAED58l?format=png&name=small)
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1290782284686266372

Video: Footage posted on social media shows a close-up view of the warehouse area that exploded in Beirut, along with the fire and smaller blasts that led up to the larger explosion. https://twitter.com/IntelTweet/status/1290726770459672576
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: J Cartmill on August 05, 2020, 04:06:18 AM
US Geological survey reports it as Magnitude 3.3
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: Wherestheice on August 05, 2020, 04:46:48 AM
Trump called it an attack. I don't trust what that man has to say, but that is an interesting point to add....
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: miki on August 05, 2020, 04:56:31 AM
Trump called it an attack. I don't trust what that man has to say, but that is an interesting point to add....

Even his officials do not know what he is talking about. I bet he got it on twitter.
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: interstitial on August 05, 2020, 05:01:35 AM
Trump is about as informed as a hermit hiding out from y2k.
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: Pmt111500 on August 05, 2020, 07:26:31 AM
Trump clearly knows something about this so he should be questioned about his involvement. The article is from 1985, but i guess it applies here too.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00965R000100270032-0.pdf

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Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: glennbuck on August 05, 2020, 11:06:47 AM
The explosion destroyed the country's largest port - which will now make it harder to import food and other aid - as well as silos that contain the national grain reserve. Lebanon imports up to 80 percent of its food needs and is particularly reliant on imported soft wheat to make Arabic flatbread. About 85 per cent of the country's cereals are stored in the facility, according to trading company Mena Commodities.

Last week, Save the Children reported that in the Greater Beirut area almost one million people do not have money to buy essentials, including sufficient food. This number included more than half a million children, the NGO said.

"We will start seeing children dying from hunger before the end of the year," said Jad Sakr, acting Country Director of Save the Children in Lebanon.

Lebanon is going through an economic crisis, exacerbated by the pandemic. Since September last year, prices for basic items such as food and shelter have soared by 169 per cent, while unemployment has risen up to 45 percent.

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/beirut-explosion-blew-up-wheat-port-in-city-of-hungry-children/12526984

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Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: blumenkraft on August 05, 2020, 01:23:22 PM
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It’s now looking more & more likely the explosion in Beirut was several thousand tons of ammonium nitrate, badly stored in a warehouse at the port.

There are suggestions the ammonium nitrate was salvaged from a ship, and has been stored there a number of years against protest.

Link >> https://twitter.com/DavidVidecette/status/1290917581101113344

Kind of what happened in West, TX. But with way more of the substance.

Dangerously Close: Explosion in West, Texas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdDuHxwD5R4
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: be cause on August 05, 2020, 01:36:01 PM
many of N.I.'s car bombs were ammonium nitrate .. I know well what damage a quarter ton can do .. this explosion was the equivalent of 10,000 IRA car bombs .. I am so sorry to see so much of Beiruit devastated again .. b.c.
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: ArcticMelt2 on August 05, 2020, 02:47:21 PM
The sounds of the explosion in Beirut were clearly audible in neighboring Cyprus. Almost the same catastrophe struck Cyprus nine years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelos_Florakis_Naval_Base_explosion

It is very strange that for 9 years the neighboring countries have not drawn conclusions to prevent this from happening in the future.
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: ArcticMelt2 on August 05, 2020, 02:51:22 PM
Note that this was also in the summer. So the summer heat was probably one of the main reasons.
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: kassy on August 05, 2020, 02:59:11 PM
See that picture in #12. Not exactly safe storage.

Should have been resolved long ago but no one cared enough.
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: Neven on August 05, 2020, 03:01:13 PM
Bellingcat has some additional details, disagrees with the quantity of Ammonium nitrate by a factor of ten.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2020/08/04/what-just-blew-up-in-beirut/ (https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2020/08/04/what-just-blew-up-in-beirut/)

Have they tied it to the KGB yet?  ;)
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: ArcticMelt2 on August 05, 2020, 03:19:58 PM
See that picture in #12. Not exactly safe storage.

Should have been resolved long ago but no one cared enough.

In Cyprus, confiscated shells were also stored for several years practically in the open air. And next to the largest power plant on the island, worth a billion dollars. And this is not in a poor country, but rather one of the richest. Even more surprisingly, Lebanon did not draw conclusions.
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on August 05, 2020, 03:34:07 PM
I am sure 73 people did not die in this blast. Every big disaster I heard of the first hours (days) always underestimate the fatalities. They lost hundreds of people. I would not be surprised to see thousands.
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: blumenkraft on August 05, 2020, 03:42:42 PM
In Cyprus, confiscated shells were also stored for several years practically in the open air. And next to the largest power plant on the island, worth a billion dollars. And this is not in a poor country, but rather one of the richest. Even more surprisingly, Lebanon did not draw conclusions.

It also has to be mentioned that nuclear waste is oftentimes stored in open-air or flimsy facilities even in rich countries like Germany.
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: Florifulgurator on August 05, 2020, 05:12:30 PM
Wrong number...

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U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in a phone call with former PM Saad Hariri on Wednesday paid tribute to the victims of massive deadly twin blasts in Beirut, Hariri’s media office reported.
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/273949-pompeo-extends-condolences-to-hariri-after-beirut-blast
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: ArcticMelt2 on August 05, 2020, 05:45:35 PM
The diameter of the fresh crater is about a hundred meters. It filled with the sea.

https://twitter.com/AirbusSpace

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeqTACEWoAEGlbi?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: prokaryotes on August 05, 2020, 05:57:58 PM
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It is one of the oldest cities in the world, having been inhabited for more than 5,000 years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beirut

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A variety of factors affect the water and coastline of Lebanon, including marine pollution and the environmental impact of shipping. A list of such factors includes oil spills, noxious liquid substances spills, sewage spills, and the dumping of radioactive and medical waste.


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Unlike developed countries, Lebanon do not have any regulations on the ballast water discharges.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_environmental_issues_in_Lebanon
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: Tom_Mazanec on August 05, 2020, 07:20:48 PM
Texas City killed 581 according to Wikipedia. Texas City was smaller than Beirut is now. How many were killed in this one?
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: ArcticMelt2 on August 05, 2020, 08:02:17 PM
Texas City killed 581 according to Wikipedia. Texas City was smaller than Beirut is now. How many were killed in this one?

It is difficult to compare an ordinary port with an oil loading port. In the second case, this is much worse, since the burning fuel tends to spread.

A similar case in Texas City-1947 was in Egypt 50 years later.

https://wmo.asu.edu/content/world-highest-mortality-lightning

https://gulfnews.com/today-history/november-2-1994-500-die-as-lightning-strikes-egypt-complex-1.2117128

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1994 - More than 500 people were killed in southern Egypt, most of them when blazing fuel flooded into a village from a depot struck by lightning. Lightning struck the complex of eight fuel tanks towards the end of a thunderstorm that raged across much of Egypt for up to five hours. Three of the storage tanks, each holding about 5,000 tons of aircraft or diesel fuel for the army, exploded and spilt burning fuel into the village, which lies about 320 km south of Cairo. More than 200 houses in Dronka were destroyed and at least 20,000 terrified people moved out.
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: KiwiGriff on August 05, 2020, 08:20:31 PM
Beirut explosion: death toll rises to 135
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/aug/04/beirut-explosion-huge-blast-port-lebanon-capital
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: prokaryotes on August 06, 2020, 09:11:41 PM
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200806093441-03-macron-visits-beirut-0806-exlarge-169.jpg)

President Macron calls for reforms, including in line with the Paris Accord, ties it to financial support. See video link https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/06/middleeast/beirut-explosion-anger-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: Port of Beirut Explosion
Post by: vox_mundi on September 10, 2020, 08:28:58 PM
Major New Fire Is Burning In Beirut's Devastated Port
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36322/major-new-fire-is-burning-in-beiruts-devastated-port

(https://www.thedrive.com/content/2020/09/fire-top-2.jpg)

A serious fire has been raging in Lebanon's Port of Beirut, which was decimated by a deadly explosion last month, for more than three hours now. Lebanese authorities said a warehouse full of tires and oil caught fire, producing a massive tower of thick black smoke, but say the risk of a new blast is low. There have still been reports of panic as residents sought cover fearing another major catastrophe.

https://mobile.twitter.com/glcarlstrom/status/1304010431300804608

Video: https://mobile.twitter.com/Aya_Majzoub/status/1304004574286688257

Michel el-Murr, head of a fire rescue team on site, told The Independent newspaper they believed this new fire was begun by workers using an electric saw to cut through metal debris in the port during the clean-up operation after this earlier disaster.

... “We still do not know exactly what is inside the warehouse which is on fire, we cannot rule out explosive materials — but we think it is unlikely,” el-Murr said. Hopefully, firefighters will be able to get this new fire under control quickly and without further incident.

Meanwhile, the Guardian newspaper reported that Beirut police spokesman Colonel Joseph Msalam said his officers had no information about what was happening at the port, with the army maintaining control over the facility. Admitting he did not know what caused the fire, Msalam added: “It could be containers. I really don’t know what is there.”