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Consequences / Re: Volcanoes
« on: January 13, 2019, 11:27:28 AM »
FD - the rhinos are safe - extinction postponed for another day ...

Tsunami hits Sunda Strait Beach, What is the fate of Javan rhinos? - (use Google Translate)
http://www.mongabay.co.id/2018/12/25/tsunami-hantam-pantai-selat-sunda-bagaimana-nasib-badak-jawa/

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Mamat Rahmat, Head of the Ujung Kulon National Park (TNUK), confirmed that the tsunami had reached the national park area. ... "Estimates in the field, water reaches 20-50 meters from the shoreline," ... Mamat stated that the condition of the Javan Rhino ( Rhinoceros sondaicus) was safe after the tsunami.

Rhinos gathered in the middle of the forest and the southern edge of the coast. While those [beaches] affected by the tsunami are in the north - the Sumur Subdistrict, Pandeglang Regency, Banten, which is the entrance to TNUK, is the area directly affected by the disaster.



Infrared camera monitoring shows that the rhinos spent most of their time in areas with an elevation of between 9-15 meters and distances to the coastline of 412-855 meters.

Monitoring the condition of the area affected by the tsunami was carried out directly by WWF-Indonesia National Rhino Officer Ridwan Setiawan , while evacuating the communities around Ujung Kulon.
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Thank you for the article vox_mundi. I read at least two park rangers were killed by the tsunami.
The link inside the article was interesting as well, examining the role of the 1883 eruption on the rhino population. They think hunting by my fellow Dutchmen contributed more to the loss of populations. Not enough data to know what the eruption and tsunami did really. That tsunami was up to 30 meters i believe.  A much smaller one would be disastrous already.
I have a soft spot for these little rhino since i worked with WWF on their cousins in Vietnam.
(last one poached 2010)

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Consequences / Re: 2018 Droughts
« on: September 08, 2018, 12:23:32 PM »
Some footage here of my research areas after the record drought & heat.
You'll have to excuse me swearing  :P
It's pretty shocking especially when we have given ample warning for this type of disaster being made a lot worse by mismanagement.
The Dutch are still hellbent to recreate the vegetation of before 1600.
Species such as heath, blueberry, rowan, etc which have no chance and additionally are a fire hazard.
While wiping out others such as wild cherry which is now pretty much the only remaining food source producing fruit and even more essential to the food chain.
So with nothing to eat, wildlife has pretty much fled into the city where more trouble awaits.





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Consequences / Re: Hurricane season 2018
« on: September 04, 2018, 02:35:53 PM »
Some footage of Jebi impact here;


It appears to show hundreds of cars tossed together which caught fire.
Can't imagine how that would happen.
That is, i can see how storm surge washes them away probably but not how this results in fire on that scale.

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Consequences / Re: Decline in insect populations
« on: August 04, 2018, 05:02:51 PM »
What do people expect will happen with the pesticides and poisons?
There will be better ones? Cleaner ones?
Industrial society will do without them altogether?
That is not how the industry works.
Ever since it began it has done nothing but destroy.
If one poison is to be proven as damaging the environment in decades of study there are a hundred new ones ready to be marketed.
That is simply factored in the business model of the producers.
Even if a poison is proven as destructive it does not mean it goes away.
DDT is the best known for being banned, it nearly wiped out many species.
It is banned here...we produce it anyway and export it elsewhere instead and then it comes back.
People in countries which have banned DDT still have DDT in their bodies, they have a cocktail of many other poisons in their bodies as well.

Insects, mammals including humans are living in a chemical industrial experimental dump site.
Of course insect populations are going to crash, of course other populations do the same.
One person in this thread mentions several types of poisons he uses for different purposes around the house..he doesn't even know what's in those but he does not want ants...he poisons himself along with them.

How did ants and humans coexist for millions of years without poisons?
Were ants or mites destroying biodiversity including humans and did we make a lucky escape from that by industrial poisons?
Using any type of industrial poison, pesticide, herbicide, fungicide or whatever one calls it is a form of insane criminal activity.

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Consequences / Re: Near Term Human Extinction
« on: June 09, 2018, 08:10:23 PM »
It still amazes me how even intelligent people such as on this forum cannot see the inherent destruction of industrial society.
Population, extinction rates, pollution of all kinds, greenhouse gases, casualties of war and atrocities etc all explode upon industrialization just as the famous Mann "hockeystick" does.
It still amazes me how intelligent people make wrong assumptions about other intelligent people.
What if we do see the inherent problems? What is it that you suggest in practice?


And we are here today , intelligent and educated, alive because of that industrialization, able to contemplate and share our opinion through this medium, not dying from deseases like prior to that industrialization. And extinction, pollution, large scale altering of local environments has been happening since the dawn of civilization. All the forests you see now in Europe are there because people found alternative source of energy instead of cutting every single bit down. They did not need industrial revolution to destroy their environment. The fact that we are contemplating clean sources of energy exists because of industrialization. The problem is that humans still act on a personal selfish level. Unless tgey can transcend that instinct and think about the whole , behaviors won't change. They can only be regulated, but such regulation as we are won't go down easily without a fight...

Oh come on guys, admittedly i generalized but now i see cherry picking and failure to address the content of what i said.
I mentioned the hockey stick graphs of most problems coinciding with industrialization, because with everything it is important to see cause and effect.
I did not claim there are solutions i know of.
Are there solutions to all the biodiversity lost already?
Of course not, they are gone.

DrTskoul's little piece is so full of false assumptions it is hard to even begin on that.
- intelligence equated to industrialization is stupidity.
- some diseases are better, many more worse or brand new ones as a result of industrialization..how nice! Even the damm air is killing and torturing us now... yippy hurray for industrial progress and medicine!
- the forests of Europe are dieing mate, and they did recover indeed somewhat after past stupidity. They also screwed over a whole new continent in the process, and still do.
Europe is an industrial nature management factory based on stupid ideals from centuries long gone while climate won't even allow it. Shocking extinction is the case more than ever no matter how many damm trees they plant or import. The true old forest such as Romania or a little shitty bit left in Poland is being destroyed by industrial might.
- whatever destruction medieval Europeans caused and did or not somehow mitigate dwarfs in comparison.
- European period of the time is the worst example of health/longevity anyway. Those idiots lived in their own filth while inbreeding, using religion as medicine and working the 90% poor to death.
Small wonder then that "primitive humans" have enjoyed better health and long life and still do without industry or agrarian civilization.
- there are no clean, green, renewable sources of energy or however people want to call it gonna make a damm bit of difference because they are all industrial and inherently and exponentially  destructive and depleting.
That is a marketing strategy of cult-like proportions.
- after stacking false assumptions one on top of the other you fantasize about some industrial forced human regulation...and conflict required?
Yeah...that will be a paradise with a smiling Arctic ice cover and happy plants & animals everywhere i'll bet lol  :P

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Several videos of the tornado that hit Germany just across the border are here:
https://nltimes.nl/2018/05/17/video-tornado-tears-germany-just-missing-netherlands

Looks like maybe an F2 or F3 which is pretty strong for this region.
And perhaps a bit early...
Dutch meteorologists expect tornado frequency to increase.
Few people know that The Netherlands has the most tornadoes per square kilometer in the world, including the Dutch themselves.
But they are usually small, a big F4 or F5 outbreak does happen every decade or so however.
I managed to warn for the last one in 2016(luck i s'pose).
People forget every time and wonder how that is possible in the Netherlands???

We've been pretty lucky so far, with the big tornadoes occurring away from most people and damaging a few small towns or neighborhoods.
But as densely populated as it is here, good chance of a worse event i'd say.

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Consequences / Re: Decline in insect populations
« on: October 30, 2017, 10:22:57 PM »
So unsurprising....

The decline is said to be related to both climate change and pesticides.
I'll not discuss the climate aspect but already "pesticides"is the wrong terminology and falls short.
It's pesticides, herbicides and all kinds of chemical or industrial pollution deliberate or not which play a part in all life.

It is the same limited thinking surrounding the most famous "weed killer interview" where lobbyist Patrick Moore refuses to drink some even though he claims glyphosate is 100% safe to drink.
He knows he would have gone straight to intensive care of course because as he has just explained 20 or so heavier systemic poisons are added to that crap.
Glyphosate is just the most harmless one and while we don't even know the other ingredients most idiots just keep discussing how safe glyphosate is.
Nobody sprays just glyphosate anywhere.
They spray cocktails which we know are always more harmful and that is why during my wildlife research i can see where they use it the mice or voles just sitting around in a daze or even climbing on my shoes to die on the spot.

Of course insects will die.
They are subjected to many other cocktails and poisons on top of that, and various other forms of pollution AND climate change all at once.
All are the result of industrial society, that is what it is and what it does.
The greatest destructive force ever on Earth.

Have people lost their frigging minds???
Chemical industry has done nothing since it's beginning but leave behind it a trail of millions of dead and sick creatures including us, while reaping the profits going from one product to the next before it can be banned.
Chemical industry should be closed down immediately if not all industry.

Here i see elderly people growing food or children playing sports next to the highway with the most polluted air in Europe, on fake grass filled in with poisonous ground up car tires while around them everything is sprayed and poisoned as well.
People say that is a healthy activity for kids or the elderly, while the increase in health problems and epidemics is dealt with by pharmaceuticals from the chemical industry as well.
And of course add more problems while the profits are reaped before those can be banned and replaced by the next "medicine" as well.
Of course the elderly gardeners add their own poisons to their already toxic crops...
Yes people have lost their frigging minds.

Even DDT still reaches us in spite of it being banned long ago.
Hey, we still have the factories here and happily export it to Africa so of course there is an illegal circuit and the rest comes through food imports etc.
They test plants in garden centers here and find 17 poisons on just 1 plant, half of them illegal...

We are a chemical experiment involving hundreds or more substances and we already don't care about our own health or that of our kids and pets.
So of course insects are gonna die.
Insects will not be the only ones either.

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