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Antarctica / Re: Ice Apocalypse - MULTIPLE METERS SEA LEVEL RISE
« on: November 28, 2020, 12:00:03 AM »
Also invoking the heat capacity of the entire ocean is a fallacy. That did not matter for meltwater pulse 1A etc.

The meaningful exchange is at the surfaces.

Developers Corner / Re: Test space
« on: November 27, 2020, 11:20:59 PM »
For the sort of data that is about as clear as you can get it.

The records also follow an absolute trend so there should be a way to colour code that?

The politics / Re: Biden’s Presidency
« on: November 21, 2020, 05:05:51 PM »
It´s still the better turd...

Policy and solutions / Re: Coal
« on: November 19, 2020, 02:08:33 PM »
Controversial Kenyan Coal Plant’s Future In Jeopardy As Major Chinese Bank Pulls Funding

The future of one of Africa’s biggest fossil energy projects looks bleak following reports that the main financial backer for the 1050 megawatt Lamu coal power plant in Kenya is pulling out of the project.

The US$2 billion plant, to be operated by Amu Power, was set to be built in Lamu, a UNESCO World Heritage Site along Kenya's coast. The move by the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) to withdraw its financing could potentially end the controversial project — welcome news for environmental campaigners who are cautiously optimistic about the development.

According to a statement by Save Lamu, one the groups at the forefront in opposing it, the ICBC had decided not to finance the plant due to the environmental and social risks associated with it. DeSmog was unable to reach ICBC for comment.


The ICBC is the latest major partner to pull out of the project, according to Ninteretse. The move comes after the African Development Bank pulled out in 2019, followed by General Electric withdrawing its support this past September.

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: November 18, 2020, 12:13:33 PM »
Nice pro bono rate...  ::)

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: November 08, 2020, 08:50:38 PM »
I did 'report to moderator'. A couple of minutes before my post above.
Received no reports. Anyone else filed one in that thread/AGWIG subforum in the last couple of days?

It was broken, thanks.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: November 08, 2020, 06:49:56 PM »
It is hard to parse the data. In the Netherlands we increased measures trying to slow down spread and the number of positives is slowly decreasing.

The number of deaths has some problem:
Ideally you would want to know the age distribution of the patients since that sets the baseline for deaths but we don´t have that data.

In the Netherlands a lot of positives were among the younger age groups which results in less deaths overall.

Much of the older and more vulnerable are being as safe as possible (when living on their own).

But lets see where the numbers go.

Consequences / Re: Forests: An Endangered Resource
« on: November 05, 2020, 04:43:59 PM »
Decadeslong effort revives ancient oak woodland

CHAMPAIGN, Ill. -- Vestal Grove in the Somme Prairie Grove forest preserve in Cook County, Illinois, looks nothing like the scrubby, buckthorn-choked tangle that confronted restoration ecologists 37 years ago. Thanks to the efforts of a dedicated team that focused on rooting up invasive plants and periodically burning, seeding native plants and culling deer, the forest again resembles its ancient self, researchers report in the journal PLOS ONE.


The level of success achieved in this 7-acre woodland is rare in restoration ecology, the scientists say. Most such efforts are hamstrung by limited financial resources, expertise, personnel and time. Many plant restoration interventions focus on only one technique - such as brush removal or burning to kill invasive plants - and fail to address the other factors that can undermine their efforts.

"Even very expensive vegetation restoration projects fail to meet their conservation goals more often than not," the researchers write. "In addition, long-term studies of management impacts are rare."

"We feel like we don't have a minute to spare from our stewardship, so it's hard to take time to collect data," said study co-author Karen Glennemeier, an ecologist with Habitat Research LLC. "But monitoring the ecosystem is essential for understanding the impacts of our management."

"Once we destroy a natural area, it has proved disturbingly difficult and expensive to bring it back," said study co-author Greg Spyreas, a research scientist at the Illinois Natural History Survey who focuses on plant ecology and botany. "This study shows you how to do it."

"Collaboration was key to this success," said study co-author Stephen Packard, a restoration ecologist and land steward of Somme Prairie Grove. "The Cook County Forest Preserve District, which owns the land, assembled a team of staff, contractors, volunteers and a variety of research and conservation organizations."

This team slashed and burned a dense thicket of buckthorn trees, thinned native tree density to give the oaks a chance to reproduce, harvested seed from native plants and scattered that seed in autumn for many years. Dozens of "citizen-science" volunteers led the most detailed work while hundreds of recreational conservationists joined the effort each year.

"Staff, contractors and volunteers all helped burn the woods, on average, once every two years," Packard said. The volunteers hand-weeded invasive garlic mustard, but didn't bother with most other weeds. The thinning of trees and ground vegetation allowed more sunlight to penetrate to the forest floor and promoted the restoration of natural woodland grasses and wildflowers.

"We initially feared that alien species might be impossible to control over large areas," Packard said. "Instead, with regular controlled burns and reseeding of diverse species, most of the nonnative species dropped out by themselves. They couldn't compete against the natural richness that we had thought of as so fragile."

The researchers used several measures of ecosystem health to assess the quality of the restoration. Most reflected positive changes over time. One of the metrics, known as the cover-weighted Floristic Quality Index, was very responsive to changes in ecological health.

The restoration work began in 1983 but was halted from September 1996 to July 2003 as a result of political wrangling over management of the property. The FQI showed steady improvement in the health and biodiversity of the woods until the hiatus, when the property began to revert to its degraded state.

"The effects were immediate," Packard said. "Years of work on the site could be seen slipping back into nonnative species dominance, and diversity and native plant community health crashed rapidly."

When the restoration work resumed in 2003, the recovery began again. Biodiversity and the conservation quality of the surviving flora increased, surpassing previous levels.

Policy and solutions / Re: Oil and Gas Issues
« on: November 05, 2020, 03:50:07 PM »
In the Hunt for Industrial Brine, a Surfeit of Sinkholes

Delicate work aims to fill a void in New Mexico before it collapses, but it’s a more expensive problem than expected.


When I&W, which operated the well for 30 years, was pressed to pay for fixing it, the company filed for bankruptcy. Liquidated assets produced $3 million, a small slice of a bill now estimated at above $54 million and growing. But the idea of fixing an invisible, indeterminate, potential disaster hit amid the very real pressures of the 2008 economic downturn, when lawmakers scrambling to close a budget gap raided the state’s reclamation fund. It took a decade for them to find money to tackle the task.


Activity has buzzed since last September. Initially, the goal was to have finished this past summer, but opening up the well to work on it offered a chance to collect new data on its dimensions. The southern portion was more stable than expected and filled quickly. That secured the area near the mobile home park and irrigation canal. But the northern end, some of which lies under Highway 285, proved larger than expected.

The cost of additional cement mixture would break the state’s budget, Veni says. “So what they started to do was to inject sand.”

Then, the cavity swallowed the quantity of sand expected to fill it to 70 percent, but remained only 20 percent filled. Sonar suggests two-thirds of the sand drifted into rubble from a previous internal collapse, instead of filling the void. “It’s going to take a hell of a lot of sand to do this,” says Veni — more than the state’s current budget can cover.


During injection, the effort costs more than $3 million a month, Griswold said during a September 2019 meeting, and, just as in 2009, the state is dealing with tight finances. Taxes and royalties from the oil and gas industry provide up to 40 percent of New Mexico’s general fund revenue, and lawmakers have had to cut spending after oil prices hit unprecedented lows this spring.

See the story for all the cool stuff about the sinkholes.

A 25-year-old took on a $57 billion super fund over climate change and won. Experts see the case as evidence of 'which way the wind is blowing'.


This week, 25-year-old Mark McVeigh settled his fight with Rest Super in an 11th-hour agreement which prevented the two parties having to duke it out in court.

McVeigh had taken up the case against Rest in 2018, alleging that the super fund hadn’t acted in his best interests by not doing enough to mitigate the financial risks of climate change.

The details surrounding their eventual truce are unknown, having not gone to trial, but it would appear Rest has heeded the warning.

In a public statement, it pledged for the first time to have a zero carbon footprint by 2050.

“Rest agrees with Mr McVeigh to continue to develop its management processes for dealing with the financial risks of climate change on behalf of its members.”

The super fund said it “acknowledges that climate change could lead to catastrophic economic and social consequences and is an important concern of Rest’s members”.

As part of its efforts, Rest pledged to publicly disclose portfolio holdings, consider a minimum of two climate change scenarios when setting investment strategy and align itself with the Paris Agreement.

Considering Australia’s superannuation industry controls more than $3 trillion of workers’ savings, it marks a tremendous victory for both members and Australians more broadly.

“What is critical here are Rest’s expectations regarding the companies that it invests in, in their ability to assess and disclose their exposure to climate change risk, both physical and transitional risks,” Brendan Bateman, partner at major law firm Clayton Utz, told Business Insider Australia.

Specialising in environmental law, Bateman says Rest’s pledge will have far-reaching consequences, as it joins the 20% of super funds committed to net-zero emissions.

“So it’s almost the whole supply chain that’s now being directed by a significant investor. That will drive further change within the Australian economy and Australian business.”


The Rest case clearly goes to something beyond a single super fund and one disgruntled member.

For years, there has been a view that company directors and fund managers alike could be culpable for failing to protect shareholders and mitigate the impact of a known risk.

There’s a well-known legal opinion in Australia, albeit not a judgement, formulated by two prominent commercial silks, Noel Hutley and Sebastian Hartford Davis, to that very effect.

In their own words, “it is increasingly difficult in our view for directors of companies of scale to pretend that climate change will not intersect with the interests of their firms,” the two write, noting the risk of litigation is rising “exponentially”.

“They describe corporate litigation against directors for failing to manage climate risk as being just a matter of time,” Peel said.

The prospect of legal action has understandably made boards sit up and take notice — and they’re not the only ones.


Arctic sea ice / Re: What's new in the Arctic ?
« on: November 05, 2020, 10:38:47 AM »
North Pole time capsule washes up on Irish coast


It's believed the capsule travelled nearly 4,000km from the ice floes of the Arctic Circle to the slightly less icy, but still pretty cold, Atlantic waters off Bloody Foreland in Gweedore, County Donegal.

It included letters and photos of explorers onboard the 50 Years of Victory, the world's second biggest ice-breaking ship, from 2018.


Speaking via Zoom, she told them the capsule was placed in the Arctic ice and that it must have melted and travelled the massive distance over the two years.

The friends said that Sveta was shocked when she heard the capsule had been found so recently.

"Most people thought it would have taken 30-50 years before people would find it," said Ms Curran.

"It just shows just how quickly the ice is melting," Mr McClory added.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: November 05, 2020, 12:04:35 AM »
Well that speech will sure win you some hearts.  ::)

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: November 03, 2020, 12:42:02 AM »
Let´s look at meaningful things related to covid... and if someone says something stupid refute it with data or report it just don´t follow them down some off topic discussion, thx.

Science / Re: Carbon Cycle
« on: November 02, 2020, 02:05:04 PM »
Warming of 2°C would release billions of tonnes of soil carbon

Global warming of 2°C would lead to about 230 billion tonnes of carbon being released from the world's soil, new research suggests.

Global soils contain two to three times more carbon than the atmosphere, and higher temperatures speed up decomposition - reducing the amount of time carbon spends in the soil (known as "soil carbon turnover").

The new international research study, led by the University of Exeter, reveals the sensitivity of soil carbon turnover to global warming and subsequently halves uncertainty about this in future climate change projections.

The estimated 230 billion tonnes of carbon released at 2°C warming (above pre-industrial levels) is more than four times the total emissions from China, and more than double the emissions from the USA, over the last 100 years.

"Our study rules out the most extreme projections - but nonetheless suggests substantial soil carbon losses due to climate change at only 2°C warming, and this doesn't even include losses of deeper permafrost carbon," said co-author Dr Sarah Chadburn, of the University of Exeter.


State-of-the-art models suggest an uncertainty of about 120 billion tonnes of carbon at 2°C global mean warming.

The study reduces this uncertainty to about 50 billion tonnes of carbon.

Consequences / Re: Forests: An Endangered Resource
« on: November 02, 2020, 01:33:09 PM »
Campaigners' anger after huge surge in rainforest blazes


More than 17,000 fires are burning in the Amazon's rainforest, shocking new data shows.

October saw a huge surge in the number of hotspots in the forest - with more than double the amount detected in the same month last year.

And the number of fires so far this year remains at a decade high. In only the first 10 months, 2020 has already
surpassed the total number of fires for the full year in 2019, when the destruction spurred international criticism that Brazil was not doing enough to protect its forest.


Antarctica / Re: Ice Apocalypse - MULTIPLE METERS SEA LEVEL RISE
« on: November 01, 2020, 10:30:28 PM »
The environmental concern for CFCs follows from their long atmospheric lifetime (55 years for CFC-11 and 140 years for CFC-12, CCl2F2)9 which limits our ability to reduce their abundance in the atmosphere and associated future ozone loss.


Atmospheric measurements CFC-11 and CFC-12 reported in 1993 showed that their growth rates were decreasing as result of both voluntary and mandated reductions in emissions9. Many CFCs and selected chlorinated solvents have either leveled off (Figure 1) or decreased in concentration by 19949,10.

The sad thing is that reductions from the Montreal protocol are a big part of actual realized emissions. Our big reductions in the west are basically that protocol and off shoring pollution.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: November 01, 2020, 12:04:17 AM »
When I disappear, the internal angst is redirected to other posters
You have a very personal way of looking at things... and this very much a grandiose projection.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 27, 2020, 01:17:24 PM »
This is a very serious situation, if the report is accurate. Risking transmission from medical staff to patients is a devil's bargain. How many will that discourage from seeking treatment for other ills?

Can they call out army medical corps ?  Are there no cross border treatment agreements ?


There are some but their use is really limited. The Netherlands sends cases to Germany but not more then 10 per day due to limitations on the amount of special transport vehicles available.

We have some Belgian patients but that will be on a similar order of magnitude so that will not really help with the current numbers.

However when the Covid cases ramp up the hospitals stop performing all elective surgery that can be cancelled. So there is a high chance that the positive without symptoms personnel will work with active covid cases.

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: October 26, 2020, 10:12:19 PM »
Since you lot like oldies so much here are some:  :)


This song to the Hurrian goddess Nikkal, is the oldest piece of music for which we have both the words and the accompanying musical notes. The work was written on clay tablets around 3500 years ago, and was discovered by archaeologists in the 1950’s in the ruins of the ancient city of Ugarit.

The Epic Of Gilgamesh In Sumerian

Policy and solutions / Re: Cars, cars and more cars Part Deux
« on: October 26, 2020, 01:30:22 PM »
Climate change: 'Dangerous and dirty' used cars sold to Africa

Millions of highly polluting used cars from rich countries are being "dumped" on developing nations, according to a UN report.

Between 2015 and 2018, some 14 million older, poor quality vehicles were exported from Europe, Japan and the US.

Four out of five were sold to poorer countries, with more than half going to Africa.

Experts say that up to 80% failed to meet minimum safety and environmental standards in exporting countries.

As well as causing accidents, these cars make air pollution worse and contribute heavily to climate change.

Many of the vehicles have also been tampered with to remove valuable parts.


Car ownership is booming all over the world with an estimated 1.4bn vehicles on the roads, a number that's expected to reach around two billion by 2040.


They believe these imports are responsible for increased levels of road accidents in many poorer African and Asian countries. The cars are also pumping out fine particulate matter and nitrogen oxides, which are major sources of air pollution in many cities.

"In 2017, the average age of a diesel vehicle imported into Uganda was over 20 years old," said Jane Akumu, also from Unep.

"This is the same story for Zimbabwe. In fact, around 30 countries of Africa do not have any age limit on cars. So, any kind of car of any kind of age, can come in."

As well as failing to meet road safety and environmental standards, a significant number were tampered with and had important equipment removed.

"They cut out catalytic converters, because the platinum value is worth $500. And they put in a piece of steel pipe and weld it back in," said Rob de Jong.

"They have illegally removed the airbags, because they have a value in Europe, they have illegally removed the anti-lock brake system because it has a value and is being sold on the black market."

Of the vehicles in the report, more than 54% came from Europe. Many were exported through the Netherlands.

The Dutch authorities are concerned about the trade and want action taken at the European level.

and more on:

Consequences / Re: Forests: An Endangered Resource
« on: October 25, 2020, 07:51:08 PM »
But will the Eemian be a good approximation? It was still an interglacial while we are going extraglacial or from icehouse earth to a warmer earth which might mean totally different large scale climate patterns evolve.

Anyway forests and soil fungi (or another example of why clear cutting is bad) :

New research is first to show that growth rate of adult trees is linked to fungal networks colonizing their roots.

The study, published in the Journal of Ecology, is the first to show that the growth of adult trees is linked to their participation in fungal networks living in the forest soil.

Though past research has focused on seedlings, these findings give new insight into the value of fungal networks to older trees -- which are more environmentally beneficial for functions like capturing carbon and stabilizing soil erosion.

"Large trees make up the bulk of the forest, so they drive what the forest is doing," said researcher Joseph Birch, who led the study for his PhD thesis in the Faculty of Agricultural, Life & Environmental Sciences.

When they colonize the roots of a tree, fungal networks act as a sort of highway, allowing water, nutrients and even the compounds that send defence signals against insect attacks to flow back and forth among the trees.

The network also helps nutrients flow to resource-limited trees "like family units that support one another in times of stress," Birch noted.

Cores taken from 350 Douglas firs in British Columbia showed that annual tree ring growth was related to the extent of fungal connections a tree had with other trees. "They had much higher growth than trees that had only a few connections."

The research also showed that trees with more connections to many unique fungi had much greater growth than those with only one or two connections.

"We found that the more connected an adult tree is, the more it has significant growth advantages, which means the network could really influence large-scale important interactions in the forest, like carbon storage. If you have this network that is helping trees grow faster, that helps sequester more carbon year after year."


Consequences / Re: Places becoming less livable
« on: October 25, 2020, 07:12:34 PM »
Geology’s human footprint is enough to spur rage

LONDON, 21 October, 2020 − The human footprint has left its mark on Earth, in every sense. The United States alone is scarred by 500,000 abandoned mines and quarries.

Right now, worldwide, there are more than 500,000 active quarries and pits, employing 4 million people, excavating the sand and gravel needed for new roads, new homes and new megacities.

Humans have not simply pitted the face of the Earth, they have paved it. In 1904, beyond the cities, the US had just 225 km of sealed highway. Now it has 4.3m km of asphalt or concrete roadway, consuming more than 20 billion tonnes of sand and gravel.

By comparison, the Great Wall of China, the biggest and most enduring construction in early human history, contains just 0.4bn tonnes of stone.

Humans have changed the face of the waters. In 1950, trawlers, long-liners and purse seiners fished just 1% of the high seas beyond territorial waters. No fish species of any kind was considered over-exploited or depleted.

Extinction threat widens

Less than one human lifetime on, fishing fleets roam 63% of the high seas and 87% of fish species are exploited, over-exploited or in a state of collapse. Meanwhile somewhere between 5m and almost 13 million tons of discarded plastics flow each year into the sea.

Humans and human livestock now far outweigh all other mammalian life. At least 96% of the mass of all mammals is represented by humans and their domesticated animals. Domestic poultry makes up 70% of the mass of all living birds. The natural world is now endangered, with a million species at risk of extinction.

Living beyond our means...

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020/2021 freezing season
« on: October 23, 2020, 04:53:09 PM »
Have you seen the snow extent growth over Siberia and Western Canada? Anything to comment or you only rejoice on the bad feedbacks?
apart from this, the weather is about to become propitious for a quick rebound of sea ice next week.

This seems like an emotional type response, especially as a reply to such an informative post which did not actually feature any rejoicing...

The previous posts were an actual attempt at figuring out some of the extent of the damage done.

A quick rebound next week would already be late but both recent comments in this thread and in the SIA&E thread hint that the it might not be quick.

You are thinking too much about the area/extent (so 2D) while ignoring the 3D problems like the stall in TPD.

In other words, 2021 and 2022 could be rebound years as probable as big melt years. I don’t see the doom scenario here (more in line with the scientific consensus of 2040+)

In case you missed it we are discussing what we see. Oh and i think that scientific consensus might have shifted a bit...

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: October 21, 2020, 10:14:33 PM »
I don´t really see the point of diaries.

I think that this is a subject for the "Forum Decorum" thread because the cognitive dissonance I am seeing in general on the COVID side is beyond insane and is now enabled / supported (?) by moderation here to the potential detriment to the health and life of posters on this forum in areas that will imminently experience their primary wave.

People are responsible for their own posts on Covid and all other stuff. Attack the numbers or their analysis not the posters.

Consequences / Re: Places becoming more livable
« on: October 21, 2020, 09:29:37 PM »
The Sahara has no real soil. Yes it was green before but that took time, probably quite some time compared too human generations. It is not going to magically appear.

Same for much of the rest of the northern soils and we don´t really know what will happen because we are pushing the system harder then it has been pushed before.

Cutting drastically by 2050 sounds cool but where does that lead us when current values will probably knock out Artic ice this decade, Siberia is already a net carbon contributor and Antarctica is falling apart (only the edges but that is where it starts)?

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020/2021 freezing season
« on: October 20, 2020, 11:43:52 PM »
It´s not that strange. A couple of years back it was warmer at the north pole then in London.
I really see this just as a logical progression.

Well that won´t work.

The current problem is that the old Arctic was more or less a desert (wrt vapour in the air column) while our *new* Arctic with seas open year round already enables much more vapour which keeps heat in during Arctic night because it used not to be there.

This whole scheme won´t work.

Consequences / Re: Places becoming more livable
« on: October 20, 2020, 01:54:50 PM »
The discussion is indeed off topic so should be continued in either the Population thread or OTOT.

As to places becoming more liveable... these are climate winners or places that are sheltered from the worst effects climate wise but they still depend on the rest of the world for a lot of food services.

Much of the northern lands are not good for farming since they have no proper soils.

Another problem is that when they become desirable places to be a lot of people want to move there so at least it will drive up the prices locally. Think of this as global gentrification.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 16, 2020, 06:39:00 PM »
.. In Nazi Germany they called it Eugenics

I don´t see how that equates.

Can we try to keep it into context because the nazi name calling seems the modern way of political discussion in the USA but we have a forum for that below.

Permafrost / Re: Arctic Methane Release
« on: October 15, 2020, 05:49:30 PM »
I'm just saying don't give up.  This isn't as bad as the media makes this out to be.  Semiletov has been on 45 cruises over several decades and this is the largest seep he has found.  The subsea permafrost beneath the Arctic has been thawing since the last ice age and it will continue to do so until the next ice age.  Don't worry about something we can't control.

On Robert Scribblers blog the simple line was if you are worried about Arctic Methane help reduce overall CO2 because that is the main driver.

The overall overshoot on our carbon budget will result in some global temperature rise X which will then provoke all kinds of consequences including some level of methane emissions which would not have been achieved if we had been ambitious and smart enough to aim for a 1C rise.

We do control it but can only effect it by meaningful carbon/methane cuts in our system.

45 cruises over several decades and this is the largest seep he has found

But how to interpret this? There are a number of known seep areas which they will probably visit every couple of years. If last years find is the biggest ever this also means they are growing over time as you would expect.

The politics / Re: Abortion
« on: October 12, 2020, 10:59:43 PM »
Tom you have been asked before not to post about these belief type things before.
If you go on the internet you will find many things you do not agree with.
We know your point by now and most don´t care because they have different values.

This is not the place for those discussions.

I agree. If ZH is your only gateway to the info just use the article they go from.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 12, 2020, 10:23:31 PM »
Well that was a random angle. It is a known medical condition as pointed out.

The voice sounds oddly familiar somehow... (and yes someone is  ;) ).

Consequences / Re: Worst consequence of AGW
« on: October 09, 2020, 05:18:08 PM »
Not a very concise write-up.

Those are actual production numbers so they are mainly driven by other things. Chop down a forest grow soy beans and it increases (in the short term). Growing it on less land could be just efficiency so those number don´t really have a clear relation to warming.

The rest / Re: Wildlife
« on: October 09, 2020, 10:50:27 AM »
Sadly i cannot even do the ´bouwvakker´ whistle.  :'(

Consequences / Re: Worst consequence of AGW
« on: October 09, 2020, 10:41:15 AM »
Fortunately, food production has increased during the recent warming, and forecasts are for a continuation in the near term.

Do you have a link for the food has gone up claim?

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 08, 2020, 04:47:05 PM »
And back to Covid. TIA!

The rest / Re: Wildlife
« on: October 08, 2020, 04:43:12 PM »
So they come to learn some new tunes. :)

Just enjoy it.

Consequences / Re: Hurricane Season 2020
« on: October 07, 2020, 06:24:10 PM »
Thats just naming conventions. You could just number them.

The rest / Re: Consequences of using plastics
« on: October 07, 2020, 11:49:41 AM »
14 million tonnes of microplastics on sea floor: Australian study

The world's sea floor is littered with an estimated 14 million tonnes of microplastics, broken down from the masses of rubbish entering the oceans every year, according to Australia's national science agency.

The quantity of the tiny pollutants was 25 times greater than previous localised studies had shown, the agency said, calling it the first global estimate of sea-floor microplastics.

Researchers at the agency, known as CSIRO, used a robotic submarine to collect samples from sites up to 3,000 metres (9,850 feet) deep, off the South Australian coast.

"Our research found that the deep ocean is a sink for microplastics," principal research scientist Denise Hardesty said.

"We were surprised to observe high microplastic loads in such a remote location.


Consequences / Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« on: October 07, 2020, 11:41:31 AM »
September was world's 'hottest on record'

September was the warmest on record globally, according to the weather service Copernicus.

It was 0.05C hotter than September last year, which in turn set the previous record high for the month.


This year is also projected to become the warmest on record for Europe, even if temperatures cool somewhat from now on.

The elevated heat globally contributed to record wildfires in California and Australia.

It also helped fuel the hottest day on record - a searing 54.4C (130F) in Death Valley.

Consequences / Re: Wildfires
« on: October 07, 2020, 11:24:45 AM »
So one really big fire and many other smaller ones...

On Monday, the August complex fire in northern California expanded beyond 1m acres, elevating it from a mere “megafire” to a new classification, “gigafire”, never used before in a contemporary setting in the state.

At 1.03m acres, the fire is larger than the state of Rhode Island and is raging across seven counties, according to fire agency Cal Fire. An amalgamation of several fires caused when lightning struck dry forests in August, the vast conflagration has been burning for 50 days and is only half-contained.

The August complex fire heads a list of huge fires that have chewed through 4m acres of California this year, a figure called “mind-boggling” by Cal Fire and double the previous annual record. Five of the six largest fires ever recorded in the state have occurred in 2020, resulting in several dozen deaths and thousands of lost buildings.

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: October 06, 2020, 03:53:42 AM »
Golden oldies.

Nuclear Assault - Critical Mass

The bio-sphere, the place we live
It seems like we don't give a damn
Other species flushed down the tubes
We need another race to rape
The way we live we will destroy
Every other living thing
'Til none are left except our race
And then we will destroy ourselves
Another oil spill
Atomic waste displaced
Another forest dies
Bring on the acid rain
Slightly insane, the type of greed
That makes a world unfit for life
Toxic wastes destroy the seas
While poison gas pollutes the air
A waste of life, while no one cares
The earth becomes a giant tomb
Critical mass will be achieved
And ruins will be all that's left

Other suggestions: Exodus Chemi-kill and Corruption

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: October 05, 2020, 01:51:30 AM »
There are some interesting points in there but rehashing the same argument does not really help.

So ralfy would it be fair to classify your position as ´it is not possible?´

If helps if those who counter what I said rehash the same wrong points. That is,


As for your question, I answered that in great detail in previous posts.

Well looking at the great detail in said posts it seems you say it is not possible because you look at it from a peak oil way (because people hate to lose time invested they love to cling to old stuff, works much better with music btw).

We know were you stand so you do not have to repeat the same stuff.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: October 03, 2020, 10:56:40 AM »
Almost anything we make should be circular. So design al products in a way that optimizes recycling.
Non bio degradable plastics should not be used for bags, straws etc.

Consequences / Re: Near Term Human Extinction
« on: September 29, 2020, 11:22:43 PM »
Most of the energy directly released by a solar flare is in the form of electromagnetic radiation. ... Since the particles all travel at the speed of light -- 300,000 kilometers per second -- the solar flare energy takes 500 seconds to arrive at Earth -- a little more than eight minutes after it leaves the sun.

The flare was associated with a major coronal mass ejection (CME) that travelled directly toward Earth, taking 17.6 hours to make the 150 million kilometer (93 million mile) journey. Typical CMEs take several days to arrive at Earth, but it is believed that the relatively high speed of this CME was made possible by a prior CME

The particles are not light particles so they are a lot slower.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 29, 2020, 02:06:17 PM »
There are some interesting points in there but rehashing the same argument does not really help.

So ralfy would it be fair to classify your position as ´it is not possible?´

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 27, 2020, 10:57:11 PM »
Scientific reports about effects of the virus are not really tied to a certain date. If there is newer research that might be better but these things are not just going to go away.

How much people suffer from them and which specific groups they hit most is another question but debating that takes more then stating it is from may or june.

Basically it is one disease but people have a different focus which also varies with where they are geographically and economically and thus we disagree.

Neither focusing on the worst outcomes or the best is going to help because in the world is going to produce it´s own outcomes. This is sort of similar to the whole general debate on global warming. Arguably it would be more interesting to explore what we could agree on.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: September 27, 2020, 10:55:34 AM »
Reply #1402... not so cute insult. I think you are living in lala land at least a bit and since you can´t help yourself we will.

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