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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 16, 2019, 06:17:19 AM »
Maybe I misunderstood him, but I thought he was talking about the ESS.  I don’t think there are any glaciers over there calving ice bergs, but I’m happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.  🤔

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 15, 2019, 03:53:06 AM »
edmountain mentioned this earlier, but I think it is very important and worth repeating. The CAA is heating up even though it has been covered in clouds. 

This is an all time record at the northern most weather station. The lower temps in the channels are because of the ice, but it will be melting.

We could see a lift off of the ice from the CAA this year.  That will be significant if it happens.

Consequences / Re: Prepping for Collapse
« on: July 14, 2019, 02:23:36 AM »
Rich, I have stuck up for you several times this season.  Even when you pissed off A-Team with your ridiculous theories. 

I thought you were actually concerned about Sea ice and learning,  even when you attacked Gerontocrat and others for their contributions. 

Now I’m starting to think you are just here to concern Troll. 

There are plenty of places on Reddit and Facebook to do that. 

You have been way more disruptive than Hyperion ever was.  Please take your BS elsewhere.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 14, 2019, 01:35:31 AM »
If UCMiami says there is a “very low probability” of a sensational finish in 2019, then I would say he is just guessing.

But I have read through his post history a couple of times now, and I do not see where he said what you quoted. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 14, 2019, 01:05:53 AM »
I keep coming back to A-Team's May 23 post that shows six months of fairly steady transpolar drift.  This means all the ice between, basically, the North Pole and the East Siberian Sea (ESS) is first year ice (FYI) and therefore 'easy' to melt, except for that ice that is now in the highest latitudes (due to shortest melt season being there).  Does this make the possibility of a lot of it going 'poof' more likely than other years? I think so.  The Laptev Bite, being where some of this FYI was, may reach the NP, or at least closer to it than has happened in recent decades (centuries).

The comments about the CAB being protected are just silly.  The extent numbers are higher in the CAB because the ice keeps getting exported through the Greenland/Svalbard/FJL line. Once that ice passes that line, it is toast.  Even if it takes a while to melt. 

The Russian side is going to bite deep towards the pole.  Even in this “moderate” weather there is a lot of heat in Siberia.

It is going to come down to whether or not the Beaufort starts clearing out quick.  The line of open water north of the CAA indicates that if it does, the ice could become an ice island this year.

If that happens, look out! 

We don’t know what the weather will bring in the next few weeks.  But, we do know the MYI is significantly lower this year than it was in 2012.  The fact that the ice is being exported to the Atlantic does not help matters, even if it helps keep the extent numbers higher. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 09, 2019, 04:32:54 AM »
The GFS is trending towards a cool Arctic

Does that mean cyclones, or cool and calm?

I’m totally confused too.  I think the take home message is that this is an expert interpreting long term model results.  His interpretations are accurate, but long term models suck so we will wait and see what happens.  😝

Arctic sea ice / Re: 2019 vs 2012
« on: July 09, 2019, 03:44:24 AM »
July 8 is very clear in Worldview for both 2012 and 2019 on the pacific side.  These are the comparisons that continue to strike me as the most important currently if we are talking about “extent” as our endpoint.

If the Beaufort becomes a killing zone as most believe it will, it looks like 2019 will definitely beat 2012 on this side of the arctic.

The current situation around Wrangel Island is incredible.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 09, 2019, 02:03:43 AM »
Dr. Judah Cohen has updated his Arctic Oscillation and Polar Vortex Analysis and Forecasts. 

It is a little too technical for my understanding, but some of our weather experts might enjoy taking a look at it.  The link is below:

Greenland and Arctic Circle / Re: Greenland 2019 Melt Season
« on: July 07, 2019, 03:08:47 AM »
Incredible image posted by Zack today showing some of the Greenland melt ponds.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 07, 2019, 02:13:00 AM »
The ice looks like shit.

Agreed 😬

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 07, 2019, 02:11:13 AM »
I’m going to go out on a limb, but all of those broken and fractured floes in the Beaufort have been swirling around for almost a month now with no noticeable decrease in size. 

Bottom melt will finish all those floes by some time in August. It is 2-3 m thick ice constantly imported from CAB. Not something to happen in a couple of weeks. It will ruin your extent numbers? Not sure, but it will definitely finish with some of the thickest blocks around. This didn’t happen before the 21st Century, so we can call it a “millennial” born out of AGW.

I’m grasping at straws here hoping things won’t be too terrible.  I’m always torn on whether the new record will be good or bad. 

Maybe it gets more people to realize that AGW is a big deal and we should do something about it?  In the age of Trump I doubt it.  If we need a BOE for a wake up call I hope it waits until he is long gone! 

I have kids I worry about, and things are not looking bright for their future 😥

Consequences / Re: Effects of Climate Change on the biosphere
« on: July 07, 2019, 12:14:45 AM »
Very sad things being seen in the Bering this year. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 06, 2019, 06:11:39 PM »
Kevin Pluck posted a nice map on Twitter today comparing the July 5, 2019 extent with July 5, 2012.

The 2012 sea ice edge is in Red.  @kevpluck

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: July 05, 2019, 11:45:27 PM »

Looking somewhat toasty for the ESS...

If Climate Reanalyzer is even close on its 3 day maximum temperature forecast, it will be more than toasty.

Arctic sea ice / Re: 2019 sea ice area and extent data
« on: July 04, 2019, 05:48:07 AM »
The ADS NIPR page is sending me to Twitter...  :-\

I hope they will fix the problem soon!

Trump took it over.  You will be sent to his Twitter account showing an arctic full of ice with tanks rolling over it and fireworks being fired over healthy polar bears who have American flag tattoos and proclaim “he is the best dictator ever!” 

EDIT: Sorry for the off topic post but I could not resist in light of the BS that is going to happen in the USA in a few hours.  Juan set it up too good to stay quiet. 

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: July 02, 2019, 01:59:23 AM »
the underlying thoughts and the resulting nomenclature would have fit the USSR very well

I am simply suggesting a way to keep the peace.  I agree 100% with your sentiment, but it would be a loss to the forums if A-Team quit posting. 

Now, at risk of being banned, I will say that in my profession I deal with environmental experts almost everyday.  The ones who are so insecure that they constantly need their egos stroked are usually not very good. 

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: July 02, 2019, 12:45:13 AM »
Regarding the discussion on the “Test space” thread, would it be possible to create a sticky thread in the Arctic Sea Ice section and only allow A-Team and possibly a few others to post there?

I think that would address A-Team’s concerns. 

In an open forum it seems almost impossible to police comments without completely chilling discussion.   

I think you do a good job of banning people when it becomes necessary.  But it is impossible to make everyone happy with everyone else’s posts.   

I’m just messing with you Bbr. People give you a hard time because you have a crazy theory about a new impending ice age.

I view you as one of the best weather forecasters on the forum.  I don’t agree with all of your theories, I do respect what you have to say. 

Thank you for being an active participant on these forums 👍🏻

Consequences / Re: Volcanoes
« on: June 30, 2019, 03:43:10 AM »

either way i'm out of here, just wanted to provide something to consider but won't take further part in fruitless discussions as long as some participants don't even verify or falsify a statement but continue to stick stubbornly to wrong assumptions.

I think you misinterpreted the comments mag.  This is a very important and not well studied subject.  Different people have different opinions, but they are all just opinions. 

Please keep contributing.  I like your common sense approach.  I also respect what others have to say based upon what they have learned. 

It is never good for the conversation when someone says F**k this I’m out.  Keep posting.  We all went to hear what you have to say.   

Arctic sea ice / Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« on: June 30, 2019, 02:48:45 AM »
The ice is very blue!

Great shot Kate!  I had the same thought when people started discussing Kane Basin.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: June 29, 2019, 05:06:10 AM »
A quick and dirty insolation calculation could made by making a grayscale version of Worldview's truecolor image for the date, ...

It would definitely be quick and dirty.  Gerontocrat was not kidding when he talked about the cost of developing a model that would accurately account for the cloud effects on albedo. 

Clouds are very, very, very complicated.  They are all different.  Different clouds let in different wavelengths of light that have different energy.  Different clouds also block upwelling wavelengths of light and reflect them back to the surface.

There are many papers on this topic.  The take home message is that it is not a simple matter of saying it’s cloudy so the Ice is protected.  Sometimes the clouds make things worse.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: June 27, 2019, 04:38:07 AM »
I’m not an expert, and I try to ignore Michael Hauber’s posts, but since his question, which seems legitimate, has generated some discussion I will throw out the possibility that the ice has some frozen sediment in it. 

If you look at the ice in Foxe Basin and along the Chukchi coast line you will see that happens a lot.  When the waves kick up during the summer they eat away at the coastline and cause a lot of sediment to be released.  That sediment often freezes in the ice. 

The ice in his image is offshore, but we don’t know where it started from.  It could have been swept into the Beaufort gyre from nearshore. 

That is just a guess but the coloration is very similar to what we usually see from ice that has sediment frozen within it. 

A-Team is the guy who can answer this question.  He might smack me down and say I’m totally wrong. 😝.  I would suggest posting it in the “test” section because that is the section A-Team is monitoring this year.  I agree that this is an important and legitimate question. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: June 27, 2019, 03:23:09 AM »
I like to follow the fires too because they provide information about ground conditions that are not always apparent from the weather models. 

According to Rick Thoman, so far about 200k acres have burned in Alaska which he calls significant but not extreme. 

The fire in the image below on the Russia side strikes me as unusual because it is so close to the coast this early in the year.  That says a lot about the heat on the Russian side right now.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: June 27, 2019, 02:34:10 AM »
This image was posted on Twitter today by Adrian Gall, an arctic based wildlife biologist. 

It was taken from the window of her survey plane last week. The notations on the images are hers, not mine.  @gall_adri. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: June 22, 2019, 03:17:47 AM »
I missed the comments you are referring to.  This time of year things start happening fast and people get nervous and stressed, and sometimes we are rude to each other.

I admit I have been rude myself on more than one occasion and I apologize.

I agree with you that the northern sea route is going to open soon. I’m not sure if this year will be a record early opening, but it seems like it might be close.  I don’t track those things.  Jim Hunt does and he will likely chime in on this one. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: June 21, 2019, 06:38:52 AM »
And it begins...  As our “weather geeks” have been saying.  Things are looking bad!  The heat is happening on all sides of the arctic.  Now we hold our breath and see how bad it gets.

Consequences / Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« on: June 21, 2019, 05:10:40 AM »
Kassy, you are one of my favorite people on this forum, but I agree with KK on this one. 

I still firmly believe he is Daniel B.  I am happy he did not lie when confronted with my allegations.  I respect him for that. 

I am an environmental attorney and most paid experts are not very trustworthy.  His response saying my allegations were conjecture were true, and he did not falsely deny them.

That said, I don’t know why people like him who are very smart and see what is happening continue to ignore it. His kids and grandkids will suffer just like everyone else’s.

His point when looking at these maps and saying why most Americans don’t take global warming seriously is 100% accurate.

I had a long debate with my neighbor the other day on the same topic. We live in the Midwest where the effects have not been as strong. She has no science background and just can not believe it is true.

It is very sad and that is why I wish KK would use his smarts to try to save our planet.  I’m pretty sure he knows we are fucked.  He is just hoping it is far enough in the future that we will find a fix before shit hits the fan.

I hope he is right, but when I look at what is happening right now, I don’t think there is much more time to fix things. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: June 21, 2019, 02:08:20 AM »
There were also some very warm temperatures today just a little bit north of bbr’s glacier. 

The Hudson and the south and east parts of the CAA are feeling a lot of heat right now. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: June 20, 2019, 03:29:08 AM »

Look at both the extent and area charts for Beaufort.  They both jumped up.  So not more dispersion, just more ice in general in that location.

Michael Hauber you should be ashamed of yourself.  This is an absolutely incorrect and misleading statement that is contradicted by several images posted above from hard working people who are trying to accurately describe what is actually happening right now. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: June 16, 2019, 06:07:16 PM »
This is a very nice graphic created by Zack Labe that shows the YTD temperature anomalies across the arctic.

Parts of Alaska and the Beaufort are 5 degrees centigrade (9 degrees Fahrenheit) above the 1981-2010 average.

Arctic sea ice / Re: "Stupid" Questions :o
« on: June 16, 2019, 03:25:01 AM »
I will keep lurking and keep asking questions.
I’m on the Board of two charities and active Politically , supporting various different politicians and causes and this often comes up.
I want to know more.

Granpaw Larry, when you done messin with them folks on the ice forems will you help me find my MAGA hat? 

Trumps Holdn a rally tonight and I want him to know we are active politically.

Science / Re: Comet Ison, methane, noctilucents and Strat temps?
« on: June 16, 2019, 01:18:08 AM »
Something interesting has been happening during the last few weeks.  Noctilucent clouds are being seen worldwide at latitudes far below where they have ever been seen before.

Noctilucent clouds are very high in our atmosphere, approximately 50 miles up.  They glow at night because they are high enough to be illuminated by the sun. 

There are no reports of Noctilucent clouds ever being observed prior to the industrial revolution.  In order to form, they need dust in the atmosphere and water vapor that forms ice crystals very high up.  As Gray-Wolf points out above (in a six year old post) methane has been identified as helping to induce water vapor ice crystals in the highest parts of our atmosphere. 

Noctilucent clouds might be a marker for increased atmospheric methane levels.  “Our planet’s idiot light.”  More methane means it is more likely to see them.  Methane levels are currently at record levels.   

Mark Boslough is a scientist that recently started a thread on Twitter discussing how unusual it is that this summer we are seeing Noctilucent clouds at such low latitudes. 

Below are screen shots of four of his posts.  If you find this topic interesting, I encourage you to search his name on Twitter and read the entire thread.  I found it fascinating. 

Permafrost / Re: Permafrost general science thread
« on: June 15, 2019, 12:24:11 AM »
If you are feeling down because of methane and CO2 releases from melting permafrost, maybe a little laughing gas will cheer you up?  :-\

No laughing matter

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: June 14, 2019, 07:50:12 PM »
I would guess that was the landfast ice on the coast of NW Greenland.

Good guess!

Greenland and Arctic Circle / Re: Greenland 2019 Melt Season
« on: June 14, 2019, 06:51:11 PM »
The early melt action this week is very interesting as 2019 attempts to keep pace with 2012.  However, the longer term context is even more important. 

A new paper was published yesterday by Dr. Ruth Mottram from the Danish Meteorological Institute tracking three decades of observational data regarding the loss of ice sheet mass and how it compares to modeled projections.

Observations show surface lowering across virtually all regions of the ice sheet and at some locations up to −2.65 m year −1 between 1995 and 2017 based on radar altimetry analysis. In addition, calving fronts at 28 study sites, representing a sample of typical glaciers, have retreated all around Greenland since the 1990s and in only two out of 28 study locations have they remained stable. During the same period, two of five floating ice shelves have collapsed while the locations of grounding lines at the remaining three floating ice shelves have remained stable over the observation period. In a detailed case study with a fracture model at Petermann glacier, we demonstrate the potential sensitivity of these floating ice shelves to future warming. GRACE gravimetrically-derived mass balance (GMB) data shows that overall Greenland has lost 255 ± 15 Gt year −1 of ice over the period 2003 to 2016, consistent with that shown by IMBIE and a marked increase compared to a rate of loss of 83 ± 63 Gt year −1 in the 1993–2003 period.     

The rapid increase in the annual loss of ice during the period 2003 to 2016 compared to the period 1993 to 2003 is particularly troubling. 

Paper is open access at the link below:


Arctic sea ice / Re: 2019 sea ice area and extent data
« on: June 12, 2019, 09:01:55 PM »

It is not the EXTENT numbers which are revealing the double century loss, but the AREA numbers.

Neven has corroborated here in this thread that the NSIDC area losses of the last two days total 431k. The conclusion of what that data means is up for grabs at this point.

With respect to the 125k or so loss which is being represented as coming from the Canadian Archipelago in the last few days, the mystery of the root cause remains.

It's kinda weird that these area data tables are posted here every day without fail and when something really dramatic shows up in those numbers, they are presented w/o any comment on them.

Rich, I think the confusion stems from what the area numbers actually represent. The satellites use microwaves to try to distinguish between ice and water. 

The microwaves are pretty good at distinguishing open water from frozen ice.  However, when the ice starts melting on the surface, the satellites often report open water where there is actually ice that is displaying surface melt. 

If you look at the visible light images on Worldview, you will see large areas of blue ice showing up over the last few days in the CAA.  The satellites are incorrectly reporting those areas as open water. 

That is why Neven mentioned above that area data is not very good this time of year for identifying how much ice is present.  However, it does give us a good idea of the amount of surface melt which is very important as we head into the next two months. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: 2019 sea ice area and extent data
« on: June 12, 2019, 03:21:56 AM »
Juan and gerontocrat, thank you both for all the work you do to keep us updated on the area and extent numbers!

I stay up late every night to see Juan's post, and gerontocrat's follow up is the first thing I check every morning when I wake up. 

I have a question for you concerning a tweet today from a well respected PhD climatologist in Alaska.

As you can see below, he says 2019 moved into number 1 on June 10. I know you two use JAXA extent and NSIDC area.  He is talking about NSIDC extent. I'm surprised it differs so much from JAXA.

Have you ever compared the relative difference between the JAXA and NSIDC numbers to see how much they disagree?  I'm talking about only extent. 

I understand the two satellites have different resolution and come with different numbers.  But, I would expect those numbers to be consistent across each year.   It is strange to me that NSIDC sees 2019 as the lowest, when JAXA stills sees 2016 with a decent sized lead. 

If you have, I would be interested to hear what you found. 

Thanks again!

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: June 11, 2019, 10:03:49 PM »

If anyone has more info on the situation I'd be happy to read it.

I think this article from Climate Policy gives a nice overview: 

Cold Halocline

Fri, 27 May 2016 | Canadian Arctic

The cold halocline is a water layer within the Arctic Ocean that lies below the very fresh surface waters and above the saltier Atlantic layer. Where it is well developed, its low temperature serves to insulate the overlying sea ice from the heat residing in the Atlantic layer.

. . .

Just above the halocline lies the ocean surface layer, which is constrained to be at or very close to the freezing point where it is in contact with sea ice. This 10-60 m thick layer is not very dense, mostly because of discharge from large rivers in Siberia and North America.

. . .

Below the surface layer, salinity increases downward but the temperature stays near the freezing point. This is the cold halocline.

. . .

Below the halocline, at depths of 150-800 m, lies the warm and salty Atlantic layer. This layer fills the entire Arctic Ocean, from its origins in the Norwegian Sea to its exit through Fram Strait into the Greenland Sea. Its salinity is typically 34.8-35.0, and its temperature varies from about 3°C north of Svalbard to less than 0°C north of Canada. Since the freezing point of this water is about -1.8°C, even the coolest Atlantic layer water is a few degrees above freezing. Although this seems small, it represents enough heat to completely melt away the overlying sea ice pack if it were somehow able to mix up into the surface layer.

The most vigorous source of mixing in the Arctic Ocean is generally from surface processes such as winds, sea ice motion, and the sinking of heavy waters formed by air cooling or sea ice growth. In the absence of a cold halocline, such processes might easily mix the Atlantic layer heat up into the surface layer and thus bring this heat into contact with the sea ice pack. This generally does not happen, however, because the halocline represents a stable barrier to surface mixing, that is, it is hard to penetrate this gradient in density. Even if the surface mixing were vigorous enough to penetrate into the halocline, it would only entrain water that is quite cool, and thus have little thermal effect on the sea ice pack. This inhibition of upward heat flux from the warm Atlantic layer is the main physical consequence of the cold halocline.

Recent studies have shown that Arctic wind and surface air temperature patterns vary substantially on a multiyear time scale. These climate oscillations have affected the cold halocline by influencing where fresh surface waters circulate. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, an unusual wind pattern persisted that diverted river water away from the surface layer of the Amundsen Basin. This led to a retreat of the cold halo-cline from this area, leaving the surface layers directly exposed to the underlying warm Atlantic layer. This presumably is suppressed by the growth of wintertime sea ice in this area, but not for too long: the halocline began to rebuild as wind patterns shifted in the mid-1990s. If such climate oscillations persist or amplify in the future, then the Atlantic layer heat may play an increasing role in the ocean surface energy balance, that is, in keeping the sea ice pack thinner than it is now. This is the present situation in the Antarctic Ocean, which lacks a cold halocline and thus has a thinner sea ice pack that largely melts away every summer.


Consequences / Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« on: June 11, 2019, 03:52:14 AM »
I do not pretend to have any expertise on hurricanes.  However, I have noticed the discussion has focused on Atlantic hurricanes. 

It is my understanding the two hurricanes that hit Mozambique this year were unpresidented, I am also pretty sure that in February we had the first ever category 5 hurricane that formed (in the Pacific) that early north of the equator. 

Those seem to be some additional important facts to add to this discussion.

Consequences / Re: Hurricane Season 2019
« on: June 10, 2019, 04:58:25 AM »
Don't waste your breath Rich.  Neven banned that guy last year.  His old handle was Daniel B. Hurricanes were his favorite topic.  He is not a dummy, but he is a troll. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: Do we make too much of 2012 ?
« on: June 07, 2019, 01:22:39 AM »
The last freezing season thread had 25 pages. We're at 31 pages less than halfway through the melting season.

Melting season is far sexier. The weather is more varied. The melting season thread SHOULD be longer.

Anyway, my point is made. Weather is more interesting, climate is more important. I am not going to change the character of the free participation of the weather geeks here. I wouldn't want to.

I'm just trying to hoist up the message that the ice is telling the story that the climate situation is getting worse even if we aren't breaking the 2012 record.

The fact that the last 5 years have all been among the poorest in terms of annual maxima is a more important climate story than the 2012 weather story yet it receives a fraction of the attention.

My conclusion is that we do make too much of 2012, but that's not surprising.

I understand you are an "activist" and you want to get your message across.  You are preaching to the wrong group of people. Your message would be better discussed in the policy threads. 

The people who post in the science threads have been studying the sea ice for many years.  We understand the difference between weather and climate.  We come together in this forum to discuss our observations and try to understand a very complex system. 

Using terms like "bookkeeper" and "weather geeks" to passively aggressively attack people who have been working hard for years to help improve the public knowledge only detracts from your purpose. 

We all agree with you that AGW is a big deal.  You don't need to push your beliefs on the best way to fight that problem on the people in the science threads.  Do that in the section called "The Rest."

Arctic sea ice / Re: 2019 sea ice area and extent data
« on: June 05, 2019, 06:20:20 AM »
Thank you so much for what you do Juan!  The last thing I do every night before I go to bed is check for your post.  If It gets difficult for you to post the numbers we all understand. 

Thank you again for your great contributions to this forum!

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: May 28, 2019, 10:11:56 PM »
The ICESat2 data is now available!

I have no idea how to get it or how to use it, but it could make this melt season very interesting if it turns out to be user friendly. 

I can't get the links to Twitter to work from my phone, but it should be pretty easy to locate with a search. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: May 27, 2019, 02:25:48 AM »
NASA Worldview just updated with a clear picture of the Beaufort following the cyclone/low pressure system that moved through yesterday. 

I don't see any evidence of refreeze or fresh snowfall.  It looks like the ice was pushed back towards the shore, explaining the extent numbers, but things still look pretty bad. 

Now we will wait and see if the projections for a new high pressure system verify.  If they do, it looks pretty bad for the Beaufort.

The rest / Re: Climate on Reddit
« on: May 27, 2019, 12:38:27 AM »
I'm 90% sure Klondike Kat is Daniel B. Whom Neven banned last summer.  His comments and writing style are the same, and he gave himself up in the last few days with his familiarity to Michigan which is where Daniel B was from. 

That Tom guy has also been strange.  In any event, ASIF is a target because it is watched by many people even though they may not post.  If you follow climate scientists on twitter you will see many of them get their ideas from here.  Also, remember last year when A-Team got pissed about the reporter who ran the story on the separation of ice from north of Greenland without giving proper credit to the ASIF people whose work he used? 

In the big picture, I think it is a compliment that trolls target ASIF.  They never get very far, and it means you guys are doing great work!   Keep it up!

Edit.  I just checked my twitter feed, and yesterday at the same time HelloMetor was starting his drama about temperature and pressure, Ned Nikolov, a well known climate science denier was engaged in a thread on the exact same topic 😂😂😂.  At least these idiots are attempting to be coordinated. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 melting season
« on: May 26, 2019, 03:47:31 AM »
Welcome HelloMeteor.

People were trying to help, and you got very rude.  if you have a question post it in the "stupid questions" thread. 

This thread is for a discussion of the melt season.  It turns some people off when it gets cluttered with personal attacks. 

Again, welcome to the forum.  Please try to treat people with respect.  There are some really good posters who go quiet when things get too far off topic, and things are really getting interesting now and I want to hear what they have to say.

I think someone just made a mistake when retyping the information because it combined two different tweets.

Below is a screen shot of the actual tweets from NWS Dodge City.  I find twitter to be a very helpful for keeping up to date on current information on weather and climate change.  But, like with anything, it is important to always check the source. 

I remember Shared Humanity complaining last summer when Chicago was breaking heat records.  I was there during some of the worst of it.  I guess this is payback for everyone who complained about the heat 🤔

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 Melting Season
« on: March 02, 2019, 06:41:06 AM »
One more amazing shot of the Bering Strait.  This one was posted by Rick Thoman and shows an area near Little Diomede where there should currently be an ice runway for airplanes. 

The Bering Strait is a small part of the arctic, and it is still a little early to call the maximum.  Neven might close this thread, and he would not be wrong if he did (I tend to agree with Jim Hunt that we have seen the max, but the next two to three weeks could change things).  The loss of ice on the Pacific side over the last few days is shocking!  Maybe it will recover in the next couple of weeks and maybe not. Either way, the trend over the last few years is very troubling. 

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2019 Melting Season
« on: March 02, 2019, 04:37:18 AM »
This is an incredible image posted by Zack Labe on Twitter today.

[Sentinel-3 satellite (2/28/2019):…]

Rick Thoman mentioned that this image would be remarkable for Memorial Day (for non USA people, Memorial Day is the last Monday in May), let alone the end of February. 

I know when I first started following these forums I would always get confused by partial shots of the arctic. So in case anyone does not recognize this area, it is the Bering Strait.

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