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The rest / Re: Archaeology/Paleontology news
« on: October 23, 2020, 04:12:40 PM »
Impressive Water Purifcation System Found at Ancient Maya City
More than 2,000 years ago in the ancient city of Tikal in northern Guatemala, Maya people apparently utilized a mineral called zeolite to purify their drinking water. The discovery, published in the journal Scientific Reports by anthropologists from the University of Cincinnati, represents the oldest known example of water purification in the Western Hemisphere.

Arctic sea ice / Re: 2020 Sea ice area and extent data
« on: October 23, 2020, 12:22:30 PM »
Looking at these charts, we are not just at #1, we are champions by a yuuuuge margin. There is a yawning gap between where we are and what used to be the record. This is scary.

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: October 21, 2020, 11:59:09 AM »
That one is worth being an American hit. We have foreign languages get hits every once in awhile and with google translate we can even find out the lyrics.

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: October 17, 2020, 11:47:33 AM »

Alone Again, Naturally - Gilbert O'Sullivan

The rest / Re: Archaeology/Paleontology news
« on: October 16, 2020, 07:43:02 PM »
Three Leather Balls Represent Oldest Evidence of Ancient Eurasian Ball Game
The hair-filled balls were discovered in a 3,000-year-old cemetery in northwestern China.

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: October 16, 2020, 12:45:28 AM »
Yes, left wing violence (what there is of it) is abhorrent.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: October 15, 2020, 01:52:11 AM »
But at those pressures is RTSC practical?

The politics / Re: The Media: Examples of Good AND Bad Journalism
« on: October 14, 2020, 11:46:28 PM »
Climate change is responsible for half of the Great Barrier Reef being lost, study warns
The research shows that the Great Barrier Reef's size is no longer able to protect it from the ravages of warmer ocean temperatures, the experts said.

"We used to think the Great Barrier Reef is protected by its sheer size – but our results show that even the world's largest and relatively well-protected reef system is increasingly compromised and in decline," Hughes said.

The article finishes up with
Skeptics have largely dismissed fears over man’s impact on global warming, saying climate change has been going on since the beginning of time. They also claim the dangers of a warming planet are being wildly exaggerated and question the impact that fossil fuels have had on climate change.
but the rest of the article could have been printed in the Guardian. Is this normal for Fox News?

Antarctica / Re: Sea Ice Extent around Antarctica
« on: October 14, 2020, 02:54:39 PM »
Antarctica ice is at the middle of the satellite record, maybe even above average. Is the southern ice area/extent immune to the early AGW we have had?

Conservative Utah leaders voice support for climate action
“If you shape the market in the right way, it will do what you want,” he said. “If you incentivize the market to give you dirty air, it will do that. But if you incentivize it to give you clean air and products and companies that can thrive by selling climate-friendly and green energy solutions, it will do that for you, too. And it will do it at scale.”

The politics / Re: Abortion
« on: October 12, 2020, 10:47:18 PM »
Admit, for instance, that there is a balance somewhere between the rights of an unborn child, and the rights of the person creating the unborn child.
If you create a child you assume a responsibility for that child.

The politics / Re: Abortion
« on: October 12, 2020, 10:22:29 PM »
I don't understand how you can trust a guy who lies all the time and used to be pro choice untill it was not helping him anymore.
Trump is prolife now. Biden is still prochoice.

It is a woman's body and her right to choose.
No, it is the baby's body. The baby is not given the right to choose to live in our country.

If you really are against abortion, the way to do it is sexual education as well as free homes and healthcare for single mothers,  men ready to marry single mothers and to adopt their kids.
Go for it.

Well, I'm sorry to tell you that I'm scared that the actual president if reelected could start a nuclear war. Furthermore if Covid continues that way, you will get your million death  and also quite many AGW death.
These are future hypotheticals, and abortions are present realities.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: October 12, 2020, 08:58:05 PM »
Please do the same with Tom's abortion thread
It is really weird to have a thread entitled Abortion on an Arctic Sea ice Forum.
See my most recent reply on that thread for why it is on this forum.

The politics / Re: Abortion
« on: October 12, 2020, 06:55:03 PM »
I am sure there are Catholics who use sex workers. There are catholics who commit virtually any sin. That doesn't make that right.
The only reason abortion is an appropriate topic for this forum is because:
A) It is about Arctic Sea Ice
B) ASI is being annihilated by Anthropogenic Global Warming
C) The only way to stop AGW is by transforming our civilization's behavior
D) The way to alter civilization is by voting
E) For the reasons given in the first five posts of this thread, abortion is my determining voting issue.

EDIT: I would like to point this out:
Nota Bene
It is wrongly argued that a basket of negotiable goods is proportionate to a non-negotiable good. However there is no proportion between the two. Where human life (and death) is concerned, preventing an imminent nuclear war may be seriously proportionate to the killing of 1 million innocents a year by abortion, but no collection of negotiables issues can be proportionate.

Policy and solutions / Re: Robots and AI: Our Immortality or Extinction
« on: October 12, 2020, 06:23:01 PM »
Turing just sat up in his grave.

The politics / Re: Abortion
« on: October 12, 2020, 03:44:35 PM »
What About the ‘Root Causes’ of Abortion?
Is it plausible that candidates who support legal abortion are actually more "pro-life" because they favor welfare programs that reduce abortions?

The politics / Re: Abortion
« on: October 12, 2020, 03:43:18 PM »
Can Catholics Vote for Pro-Choicers?
Our vote is a form of cooperation in our leaders' governing decisions. Here's how we navigate this moral duty.

The politics / Re: Abortion
« on: October 12, 2020, 03:42:07 PM »
Three Rules for Catholic Voters
Our bishops say that abortion is the preeminent social issue. What does that mean for us on Election Day?

The politics / Re: Abortion
« on: October 12, 2020, 03:40:52 PM »
Five Rules for Catholic Politicians
The preeminence of abortion as a social issue places grave obligations on Catholic politicians—and on voters to evaluate them

The politics / Abortion
« on: October 12, 2020, 03:39:37 PM »
The Preeminent Issue of Our Time
The Church—and common moral sense—says that one social issue rightly deserves political consideration before and above all others

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 11:24:18 PM »
Tom has been captured by the culture wars to vote against the precepts of his religion.
He votes on one issue and ignores the huge disparity between the teaching of Christ and the implications and outcomes of his political standpoint.

Letter in all church bulletins in the diocese:
When we cast our vote, we must not remain indifferent to those positions and policies that would negatively impact religious freedoms, erode the traditional family, or make it difficult for the poor to access adequate education, housing and healthcare. We must carefully consider how to fix our broken immigration system, address the worldwide refugee crisis, preserve our natural resources, protect the environment and strive for humane solutions to global conflict and terrorism.

But, to be clear, although there are many causes our Church stands for and is vocal about, the right to life itself must be given our paramount consideration so that people can have the chance to secure all the other benefits that life can afford.

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: October 11, 2020, 07:10:18 PM »
Trump says we will have to see what happens to see if he will concede. Hillary tells Biden not to concede for any reason.
Dems don't want to concede. Reps don't want to concede. There is nothing false about a lot of people saying "not my president" when Trump won, after Fox News always called President Obama "Mr. Obama" during his administration.
Most of my life people who lost an election of their candidate accepted that loss as a fact. That is being increasingly called into question by members of both parties.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 06:56:38 PM »
Actually I expect most of the violence is neither Left or Right...not political at all.
I's drug lords fighting each other, muggings, assaults...mostly done for reasons not having anything to do with politics.
And the violence, while it has been rising the last couple years, is nothing like it was in the ACW, or in Europe in the World Wars. The scary thing is worrying about it getting that bad again.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 06:09:44 PM »
Right wing violence is wrong. Left wing violence is wrong. In the US, they seem to be different in quality...Right more organized, for example. I don't know what the relative quantity is, though I suspect they are roughly comparable right now, and were more right wing, say, last year.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 05:38:07 PM »
I see, Ktb. You oppose violence from the Right, not from the Left.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 01:14:41 PM »
Obviously the Left is made of the same species as the Right, so a phenomenon on the Right can also occur on the left. Even in the George Floyd protests, 93% have been peaceful according to Wikipedia so 7% have not been. Some of that is, as wili points out, false flag stuff from the Right, but I doubt all of it is.
Funny, I’m called Right Wing here and on Alt-Hist forum and Left Wing on RHJr.’s forum. My cousin guardian calls me a Liberal and I used to have fights straight out of All In The Family with my father, with me playing the Meathead and him Archie, till I just let him be and only talked about what we agreed on.
I am not Right or Left, that is why I left the GOP.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 11:57:46 AM »
How do the riots that occurred after the George Floyd murder fit into this?

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: October 10, 2020, 07:04:46 PM »

Sugar and Spice - The Searchers

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 04:13:26 PM »
No, the thing I was focusing on here is violence. I renounce all political violence. For any reason.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 02:29:03 PM »
My point was that I renounce violence for all issues, even my personal bugaboo obsession.
Of course you can repent any sin before death (except whatever blaspheming the Holy Spirit is?).
So the alt Left is extinct in 2020?

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 01:43:59 PM »
AGW is the second greatest issue of the day. LGBTQ+ are still human. Humans are not another animal species we are human, not squid, starfish, earthworm or otherwise sexed organisms.
And as for violence, a “Christian” who murders an abortion doctor will end up lower in Hell than the doctor, because he has besmirched Jesus’ Holy Name.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 12:56:06 PM »
Is there any existence of an “alt Left”?
Also, I must be an alt Right by Ktb’s definition. The Crusades saved Christianity from Islam. If Ktb thinks our society is oppressive try living in Iran or Saudi Arabia. Trans people are mutilating the body that God gave them. Gay people are committing Mortal Sins that will send them to Hell if they do not repent. Yet Jews, African descended people, Hispanics etc are as human as you and me and have just as many rights. The Shoah is a historic fact as sure as Trump’s 2016 election.
I follow the Catholic Church, not any “Left” or “Right”.

How Have American Billionaires Gotten Richer Despite Pandemic Recession?
Since the pandemic began, many American billionaires have gotten even richer despite one of the country's worst recessions. NPR explores the reasons why and the implications for the future.

It’s not a recession, it’s a “she”-session
There are a variety of reasons for the split between the sexes.
First of all, women are frequently employed in the service industry, specifically hospitality, which is experiencing a 40% unemployment rate right now.
Also, women generally take care of the children, which means going back to work requires child care services.
Those services are nearly impossible to find right now and if they are found, they’re expensive.

Why it feels like we’re in a recession—even though we aren’t
Recovery? Solid pace? With the latest week’s initial unemployment claims still more than three times greater than just before the pandemic? What planet’s data is the Fed looking at?
In fact, Powell is right—and so are the rest of us. Understanding how economists talk helps explain why they say there’s no recession and why ordinary civilians feel as if we’re in a bad one.

From Recession To An Ever-Deeper One
Economists who expected a quick recovery from this recession have been revising their forecasts. Mounting evidence suggests the May/June bounce was just that—a bounce, and not a return to prior trends.

Rising COVID cases will stall UK recovery, budget watchdog warns
LONDON (Reuters) - A sharp rise in coronavirus cases is likely to cause Britain's economic recovery to stall until the resurgence comes under control, the country's budget watchdog said on Wednesday.

My Mac has been working pretty good lately, so I've been able to post multiple links without it locking up (mostly). Do your good luck ritual for this to keep on.

The rest / Re: Wildlife
« on: October 09, 2020, 03:39:35 PM »
For those who were not born in the 14th Century, here is what that means:

People want to go on religious pilgrimages to spiritual places in the springtime, when the April rains have soaked deep into the dry ground to water the flowers’ roots; and when Zephyrus, the god of the west wind, has helped new flowers to grow everywhere; and when you can see the constellation Aries in the sky; and when the birds sing all the time. Some people go to other countries, but many people in England choose to go to the city of Canterbury in southeastern England to visit the remains of Thomas Becket, the Christian martyr who had the power of healing people.

or if you want a literal line by line:

1         Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote
                  When April with its sweet-smelling showers
2         The droghte of March hath perced to the roote,
                 Has pierced the drought of March to the root,
3         And bathed every veyne in swich licour
                 And bathed every vein (of the plants) in such liquid
4         Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
                 By which power the flower is created;
5         Whan Zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
                 When the West Wind also with its sweet breath,
6         Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
                 In every wood and field has breathed life into
7         The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
                 The tender new leaves, and the young sun
8         Hath in the Ram his half cours yronne,
                 Has run half its course in Aries,
9         And smale foweles maken melodye,
                 And small fowls make melody,
10         That slepen al the nyght with open ye
                 Those that sleep all the night with open eyes
11         (So priketh hem Nature in hir corages),
                 (So Nature incites them in their hearts),
12         Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages,
                 Then folk long to go on pilgrimages,
13         And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes,
                 And professional pilgrims to seek foreign shores,
14         To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
                 To distant shrines, known in various lands;
15         And specially from every shires ende
                 And specially from every shire's end
16         Of Engelond to Caunterbury they wende,
                 Of England to Canterbury they travel,
17         The hooly blisful martir for to seke,
                 To seek the holy blessed martyr,
18         That hem hath holpen whan that they were seeke.
                 Who helped them when they were sick.

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: October 08, 2020, 04:44:09 AM »
Well, at least that was better than the first debate.

The rest / Re: Archaeology/Paleontology news
« on: October 07, 2020, 07:39:22 PM »
Archaeologists unearth remains believed to be of Anglo-Saxon warlord
“We know from later historical sources and bits of archaeology that [this sweep of the Thames that runs through Marlow and Maidenhead] was a kind of borderland. At various periods in the Anglo-Saxon centuries it was contested between neighbouring kingdoms,” Thomas said.

“What this burial suggests is that [this area] had its own identity as a powerful tribal unit before these kingdoms muscled in.”

Consequences / Re: Wildfires
« on: October 05, 2020, 04:30:42 PM »
I don’t know, Tor, what does make you think that?
For all those decades both statistics were near zero, and then both start rising sharply just a few years ago.
That is an observation just looking at the graphs.
What’s political about that?

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: October 04, 2020, 12:58:15 PM »
Thanks, nanning.
My father had a recording of that song when I was a little boy. I haven’t thought of it in years.

Consequences / Re: GW Migration / Climate Refugees
« on: October 03, 2020, 03:20:10 PM »
Americans are becoming climate migrants before our eyes
In Louisiana, the coast has been losing at least a football field’s worth of land every 100 minutes, which has prompted thousands of coastal Louisianans to migrate from the state. The Urban Institute estimated that in 2018 more than 1.2 million Americans left their homes for climate-related reasons. One 2018 study, published in the Journal of the Association of Environmental and Resource Economists, predicts that one in 12 Americans in the southern half of the country will relocate over the next 45 years due to slow-onset climate influences alone. While mega-disasters like the wildfires in the western US capture our attention, slow-onset disasters such as sea-level rise or annual flooding are even more likely to cause permanent displacement.

Antarctica / Re: Ice Apocalypse - MULTIPLE METERS SEA LEVEL RISE
« on: October 03, 2020, 12:08:45 AM »
confirms that the atmosphere (including trade winds and rainfall patterns) over the Tropical Pacific can be reorganized into a permanent El Nino pattern, within a human lifespan, once GHG concentrations reach Pliocene level

In this work we reanalyze Pliocene sea surface temperature data and do not find evidence of a permanent El Niño.

Which is it?

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: October 01, 2020, 02:14:45 PM »

Pata Pata - Miriam Makeba

No, the Recession Isn’t Over—and It’s About to Get Much Worse for Some
For some, the looming loss of housing and food protections—in addition to the lack of a second stimulus check and the standstill in Congress over extending protections for payroll relief—is only going to make things harder. Worse, says Evermore, is that few in power seem to care. “Goodwill toward people who lost work through no fault of their own has dissipated faster during this recession,” she says, “than at any time in history.”

The COVID-19 recession is the most unequal in modern U.S. history
No other recession in modern history has so pummeled society’s most vulnerable. The Great Recession of 2008 and 2009 caused similar job losses across the income spectrum as Wall Street bankers and other white-collar workers were handed pink slips alongside factory and restaurant workers. The 2001 recession was more unequal than the Great Recession: After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, travel and tourism jobs vanished and low-wage employment fell 7% below the previous year’s level, while high earners remained largely unscathed. Yet, even that inequality is a blip compared with what the coronavirus inflicted on low-wage workers this year.

Here comes the real recession
Economists are warning that the economic downturn caused by the coronavirus pandemic is now creating another recession: mass job losses, business failures and declines in spending even in industries not directly impacted by the virus.

Why it matters: The looming recession — a possible recession within a recession — is less severe than the coronavirus-driven downturn. But it's more likely to permanently push millions out of the labor force, lower wages and leave long-lasting scars on the economy.

David Rosenberg: We’re in a depression, not recession — and the scars will take years to heal
Tally up those sectors and they supported 32 million jobs before the crisis, or about a third of the private-sector workforce, and it looks to me as though half of their workers are not going back to their old jobs. I’m not sure many people understand that amusement parks, airlines, hoteliers and restaurants cannot stay in business at 50-per-cent capacity (or even 75 per cent in the case of restaurants).

We are in a depression — not a recession, but a depression. The dynamics of a depression are different than they are in a recession because depressions invoke a secular change in behavior. Classic business cycle recessions are forgotten about within a year after they end. The scars from this one will take years to heal.

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: October 01, 2020, 11:32:40 AM »
My understanding is that Trump used the laws to pay the minimum possible. That’s fine. I pay an accountant to make my taxes the minimum possible. So do a hundred million Americans. Now, if Trump broke the law that’s different. And maybe the laws should be different than they are, but they are what they are.

 a decent man would do different ..
So you say me and virtually all Americans are not decent?
Do you try to minimize your tax expense?

The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: September 30, 2020, 04:04:43 PM »
My understanding is that Trump used the laws to pay the minimum possible. That’s fine. I pay an accountant to make my taxes the minimum possible. So do a hundred million Americans. Now, if Trump broke the law that’s different. And maybe the laws should be different than they are, but they are what they are.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 28, 2020, 12:33:56 PM »
Myself I figure a few months old is fine. Science isn’t advancing that fast.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 27, 2020, 03:11:58 PM »
Yes, the problem is totally over in Europe.

In NYC, it IS over, because we have herd immunity.

bbr2315, can you show me current statistics which show this?

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 27, 2020, 12:51:28 PM »
Ron Conte Jr. gives a thorough summary of his views on why C-19 is such a bad disease.

Yes, The Coronavirus Really Is That Bad!

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 26, 2020, 01:45:15 PM »
vox_mundi, your quote of the Lancet articles does say “July 2020” as the time of the data, even if the date of the publication is September 25.

Consequences / Re: The Climatic Effects of a Blue Ocean Event
« on: September 25, 2020, 04:55:28 PM »
Is that “interesting” in the Chinese sense, kassy?

Consequences / Re: The Climatic Effects of a Blue Ocean Event
« on: September 24, 2020, 11:24:29 AM »
Intuitively I would think daily temperature swings in the Arctic would decrease if it is sea as opposed to ice, from the thermal inertia of water. Of course, intuition is seldom accurate in complex science like climate.

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