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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: Today at 02:53:03 AM »
Grubbegrabben
El Cid is an perennial optimist on almost all questions.

Your bounds from Iceland are very similar to what I found for Korea.

Many are pinning their hopes on the significant  hidden cases hypothesis that we have very limited evidence for. Perhaps when a reliable antibody test is widely instituted we will know
Until then it is not a good idea to base responses with the potential for  the deaths of millions on such a baseless hypothesis.
 

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 29, 2020, 10:11:55 PM »
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I am following the current advice of the local authorities. Like almost everybody in Sweden.
No policing necessary. No army on the streets.
I give Sweden two weeks before they get it .
Stay the fuck at home.
We have lock down here only essential business running all else is closed.
The police are pulling over cars and asking what you are doing.
No one is being prosecuted or anything  it is simply a genial friendly reminder from the local plod  to the very small minority ignoring the directive .
Stay the fuck at home.

Did I say it enough ?
Stay the fuck at home for fucks sake . 

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 27, 2020, 10:10:16 PM »
NEW YORK (from New York Governor Cuomo daily briefing):

Apex of hospital need could be in 21 days from now in New York
All hospitals need to increase capacity by 50%, some by 100%
Need a total of 140,000 hospital beds. Currently have 53,000 (an additional 87,000 hospital beds are needed)
Need a total of 40,000 ICU beds. Currently have 3,000, with 3,000 ventilators. An additional 37,000 ICU beds are needed
Will use college dormitories, hotels, nursing homes, and all possible space by converting it to hospitals if needed in April
138,376 people have been tested
Schools will stay closed for an additional 2 weeks after April 1, to then reassess the situation and extend again if needed. 180 days requirement has been waived
"This is not going to be a short deployment [...] This is going to be weeks, and weeks, and weeks [...] This is a rescue mission you are on, to save lives. [...] You are living a moment in history that will change and forge character"
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 27, 2020, 08:55:42 PM »
Coronavirus: Government starts economic planning for post-lockdown New Zealand

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Robertson already has groups burrowing away within the public sector looking at both clean energy initiatives and the housing market, saying that the Government will be "looking at the kind of industry development model, you know, what do we do so that we don't repeat previous mistakes.

"So we are focussing on the areas that we are needing to be making progress on."
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120642585/coronavirus-government-starts-economic-planning-for-postlockdown-new-zealand

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Fuck bars.
Fucking moronic right wing death cult whacks
Cunt headed mother fucking idiots are committing suicide with covid 19 and we are the collateral damage.
The only bright hope is enough boomer fucktards die that politics changes  in the Anglophile country's and we actually manage to engage with reality going forward.
Correction slim hope...learn from our mistakes  kids ....

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 26, 2020, 07:12:35 AM »
That means that IF 80% of boomers catch it, and 4% die, that is 2.3 million (approx)

If when  we start seeing that level of death it will be multiple times 4% as hospitals become over loaded.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/a-hard-look-at-the-remaining-hospital-capacity-across-america/

 

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 25, 2020, 11:34:54 PM »

https://www.people-press.org/2018/03/01/the-generation-gap-in-american-politics/

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The median age of Fox News viewers is 65.
According to Nielsen ratings, the median age of Fox’s audience was 66 in 2016. Following something of a youthful surge the following year, Adweek reported “good news” for Fox News early in 2018. Over the past year, the median age of the cable channel’s audience had dropped to 65. Looking at prime-time numbers alone, Fox viewers kicked back up to 66.
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/how-old-is-the-average-fox-news-viewer-in-america.html/

# boomer remover .


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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 25, 2020, 01:28:43 AM »
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A) Countries that test everyone have about 17 days lag from number of cases to number of deaths (Day 6 to Day 23).
B) Countries that only test patients admitted to hospital have about 12 days lag from number of cases to number of deaths (Day 11 to Day 23).

The number of deaths ONLY become apparent once every case is resolved ether tested clear of virus or dead .
You can be kept "alive" for a long time by modern medicine  even to the extent of being clinically brain dead and rotting.

The diamond princess is a good  example .
Confirmed cases 712,Deaths 10,Total Recovered 587.
It has been 25 days since the ship was evacuated and there are 115 cases still to be resolved. Some 15 of these overhanging cases are listed as critical.
 After 25 days we still do not have the true death rate from the ship.

Most here probably grok this but... I am sick of arguing with right wingers on other forums who use cherry picked numbers to claim the risk is low so we should not do any thing as drastic as lock down .

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 21, 2020, 08:23:22 PM »
NZ national alert levels  .
We are at two now.
The government  opened drive though testing stations today.





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Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 21, 2020, 07:20:20 AM »
Out on  a limb.
Griff expect the Dow and other metrics to settle on 50% of their highs .
We still have a while to fall yet.
Why the fuck don't they get it ?
This pandemic  a global catastrophe that will play out over the coming years not months.


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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 17, 2020, 05:11:21 PM »
Is it good to cull the human species ?
Probably on an intellectual level.
Culling the old will have an out sized  impact on the AGW effects of consumerism as you amass more wealth and have more opportunity to spend it as you age.   
Personally.
Some of us are high risk .
I dont want to die and I also dont want to see others on here die.



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Arctic sea ice / Re: "Stupid" Questions :o
« on: March 14, 2020, 09:03:53 AM »
Yip the same.
Even more to the loon side than WUWT.
A quick read of the site will find plenty of posts anyone with 1/10 a clue would know are gibbering fuckin nonsense.

I am willing to believe philopek made an honest mistake.

The fact the site is on the nutty fringe  needed to be pointed out.
There may be lurkers who get sucked into such propaganda. I feel it is our collective  duty as members of a science based forum to make it clear that some sites are not science  have no value and should not be linked to.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 14, 2020, 07:37:00 AM »
NEW ZEALAND COVID-195:36 pm today
Everyone travelling to NZ from overseas to self-isolate

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As of midnight tomorrow every person arriving in New Zealand apart from those coming from the Pacific islands will have to self- isolate, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says.


She is addressing the media on coronavirus.

Until now, foreign travellers arriving from mainland China and Iran have been banned from entering the country. Travellers from South Korea and Italy have been asked to self-isolate for two weeks on arrival.

As of midnight Sunday every person arriving will have to isolate themselves for 14 days, Ardern says. That will mean New Zealand will have the strongest restrictions in the world, she said.

She said the measures will be reviewed in 16 days and there will be more measures and advice for self isolation next week.

All cruise ships are also being asked to not come to New Zealand until June 30. It does not apply to cargo ships.

The prime minister said it is not realistic for New Zealand to only have a handful of Covid-19 cases.

However, "New Zealand has today relative to other countries a small number of cases," Ardern said.

We have two choices as a nation, Ardern said. One is to let Covid-19 roll on, the other is to go hard on measures to stamp it out. It is in our power to slow it down, she said.

New Zealanders' public health comes first and this constitutes an unprecedented time.

"Cabinet made far reaching and unprecedented decisions today because these are unprecedented circumstances. As of midnight Sunday every person entering New Zealand, including returning New Zealand citizens and residents, will be required to enter self isolation for 14 days - everybody.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/411738/everyone-travelling-to-nz-from-overseas-to-self-isolate

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Arctic sea ice / Re: "Stupid" Questions :o
« on: March 13, 2020, 11:27:33 PM »
I suggest rather than having a rant at me you carefully research your source and learn why I called them gibbering cranks from doing so.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: "Stupid" Questions :o
« on: March 13, 2020, 09:55:36 PM »
A maunder minimum would drop temperatures by about 0.3C  15 years warming at our present rate of around 0.2C a decade.
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it is certainly interesting to explore what effects such a minimum might have on 21st century climate if it did occur. This is precisely the question Stefan Rahmstorf and I investigated in a study published last year (see also our press release. (Earlier estimates for the size of this effect can be found here and here.) In our study we find that a new Maunder Minimum would lead to a cooling of 0.3°C in the year 2100 at most – relative to an expected anthropogenic warming of around 4°C. (The amount of warming in the 21st century depends on assumptions about future emissions, of course).
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/06/what-if-the-sun-went-into-a-new-grand-minimum/

Also of note ELECTROVERSE are a bunch of gibbering cranks. links to such a source do not belong on this forum.
There are data sources that do not encourage visiting such sites and raising their profile on search engines.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 13, 2020, 09:02:45 PM »
Be cause.
Please be very  careful in  hospital.
Keep your distance and don't touch anything if you can avoid it. Wear a mask if you can.
Sanitize  your hands constantly and avoid touching your face.
All this at a OCD level.
They might think you are weird but who cares if it keeps you alive.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 12, 2020, 08:11:59 PM »
It's the ones that you don't see that will get ya.

Consider this carefully
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
12,462 Italy
10,075 Iran
7,869 Korea, South
2,284 France
2,277 Spain
2,078 Germany
1,323 US
702 Norway
696 Cruise Ship
652 Switzerland
639 Japan
617 Denmark
503 Netherlands
500 Sweden
459 United Kingdom
314 Belgium
302 Austria
262 Qatar
195 Bahrain
178 Singapore
149 Malaysia
130 Israel
128 Australia
117 Canada
99 Greece
94 Czechia
89 Slovenia
85 Iceland
80 Kuwait
74 United Arab Emirates
73 India
71 Iraq
70 Thailand
69 San Marino
67 Egypt
61 Lebanon
59 Finland
59 Portugal
52 Brazil
52 Philippines
49 Romania
49 Taiwan*
49 Poland
45 Saudi Arabia
43 Ireland
39 Vietnam
34 Indonesia
28 Russia
24 Algeria
24 Georgia
23 Chile
22 Costa Rica
20 Pakistan

European rates are only showing such large numbers because their well developed health care systems  are testing for it.
Places like India, Indonesia Philippines  and Pakistan ? Only the elites have easy asses to medical care and testing.

In the USA?

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
― Issac Asimov

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 12, 2020, 06:23:06 AM »
The USA is more of a risk to the rest of us then Europe will ever be.
Because.
Anti science nutbars are running the country.

No socialized  health care system, no mandated sick pay and no compassion for those less fortunate will fuck the USA big time  in the next few  months.

The  bright side is the virus  will  cull the Fox news watching demographic.


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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 10, 2020, 10:11:44 PM »
The numbers say over3%
Any thing less is denial. You can cherry pick numbers but caution is needed to not be confounded by demographics and responses that may not be possible in all cases
The leval of socal controll in China is not going to happen in the west.
Bubba ain't gonna obay your rules.

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Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 09, 2020, 05:39:37 PM »
FFS
The pundits dont get it .
The bite has only just started we are only at the beginning of the global pandemic.
What happens when large  parts of every country are in lock down ?
Gas price who cares?
No one will be going anywhere
Tourism is gonna die. hotels, tour company's, cruise lines, airlines, restaurants, concert venues all going bankrupt. That is about 5% of GDP for the OECD evaporating over night.

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Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 09, 2020, 09:32:33 AM »
Crude plummeted....
The fracking boom is losing billions as is.
With the oil price collapsing?
The   implosion of the fracking industry alone  could be enough to place  the USA into recession.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Tesla glory/failure
« on: March 09, 2020, 03:06:11 AM »
How Tesla Sets Itself Apart
Harvard Business Review .

https://hbr.org/2020/02/how-tesla-sets-itself-apart
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In my view, the traditional automakers are ill prepared to compete in today’s software-centered world. Unlike nimble Tesla, they are big, bureaucratic, slow to respond to customers, dependent on providing customer financing for unit sales growth, and culturally different from a software company.

And they know it. Last fall, the chairman of Volkswagen — still reeling from its auto-emission scandal — declared Tesla a “serious competitor.” The biggest challenge VW and other leading automakers face is that they lack the expertise required to compete in the age of the software car.  Tesla and its flamboyant, and sometimes erratic, innovator Elon Musk have turned the more than a century old industry upside down in a mere 16 years.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 08, 2020, 07:25:27 PM »
Where is a good place to keep track of cases outside China?
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 06, 2020, 08:43:38 PM »
WTI Crude 41.36  :o

We have not seen anything yet wait until airlines , tourism and entertainment venues  start collapsing.

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Pink frosting on south island glaciers from Australian bush fires .


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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 06, 2020, 07:30:06 PM »
you just have a running nose, no test.

Maybe because it is a respiratory infection  a runny nose is not a symptom.
https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 05, 2020, 10:34:52 PM »
NZ records forth case and first person to person transfer.
Hoping winter will kill this off is unfounded optimism.
We don't have any evidence it is not able to be transferred in warmer weather  and it is already here in the southern hemisphere  as we wind down into winter.

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The rest / Re: The off topic off topic thread
« on: March 05, 2020, 08:54:55 PM »
Posted here rather than the battery thread in reply to nanning

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The term Year Zero (Khmer: ឆ្នាំសូន្យ chhnam saun), applied to the takeover of Cambodia in April 1975 by the Khmer Rouge, is an analogy to the Year One of the French Revolutionary Calendar. During the French Revolution, after the abolition of the French monarchy (September 20, 1792), the National Convention instituted a new calendar and declared that date to be the beginning of Year I. The Khmer Rouge's takeover of Phnom Penh was rapidly followed by a series of drastic revolutionary de-industrialization policies which resulted in a death toll which vastly exceeded the death toll which resulted from the French Reign of Terror.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Zero_(political_notion)

Cambodian Genocide
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Lasting for four years (between 1975 and 1979), the Cambodian Genocide was an explosion of mass violence that saw between 1.5 and 3 million people killed at the hands of the Khmer Rouge, a communist political group. The Khmer Rouge had taken power in the country following the Cambodian Civil War. During their brutal four-year rule, the Khmer Rouge was responsible for the deaths of nearly a quarter of Cambodians.

The Cambodian Genocide was the result of a social engineering project by the Khmer Rouge, attempting to create a classless agrarian society. The regime would ultimately collapse when the neighboring Vietnam invaded, establishing an occupation that would last more than a decade. 
https://cla.umn.edu/chgs/holocaust-genocide-education/resource-guides/cambodia

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 05, 2020, 07:03:51 PM »
Look on the bright side.
Trump has huge rally's to boost his fragile ego.
He is telling his base there is no threat from the virus.
MAGA supporters  will all turn up at his rally's and proudly take no  precautions.
Darwin fixes Trump .

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Policy and solutions / Re: Batteries: Today's Energy Solution
« on: March 05, 2020, 07:40:26 AM »
I gave links .

Tesla model 3 is the top selling electric car world wide by a huge margin .
It is acknowledge by the leading car company's COE's that they are struggling to catch Tesla's lead.
They know if they do not compete with Tesla their firms will be history. Before Tesla manufactures  made odd looking electric cars that did not appeal to the mainstream. Legacy auto  now have to make better electric cars than their gas models or die. 
Tesla is leading the charge to electric transport and pulling all others up  behind them. 
Wait a few months and the Y will eclipse the 3's impact.
Tesla has signaled the death knell of oil based personal land transport.

Hornsdale Power Reserve
For showing how one big battery could revolutionize renewable energy
The Hornsdale power reserve has basically made all fossil fuel peaker plants obsolete.
When it was first proposed many said it was impossible . It paid for itself in first year and a half of operation. Proof of concept you can use battery backup to solar and wind on a commercial scale. It also works better than fossil fuel generation at grid modulation and is cheaper to run.

I don't think you understand the significance of Tesla and  Elon Musk.   Musk will be remembered as one of the greatest minds  of human history long after we are all long forgotten dust.

As for Terry
He adds little to the forum of value .
If we went though he comments on the Telsa thread you would find he has been consistently wrong repeating what is nothing but FUD produced by those who would benefit by delaying or destroying Tesla..  I view him with the same contempt I hold for the useful idiots who repeat Climate Denial FUD. His form of human stupidity  is holding us back from resolving one of the biggest threats humanity has faced since we first fell out of trees in Africa.

As for you.
What you suggest on here  has been tried before  it was called Year Zero.
It might seem OK to you on an intellectual level .
To bring it about will result in the same as happened  last time.
Untold unmitigated  Horror.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 04, 2020, 09:46:58 PM »
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html
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Updated March 4, 2020
This page will be updated regularly at noon Mondays through Fridays. Numbers close out at 4 p.m. the day before reporting.

CDC is responding to an outbreak of respiratory illness caused by a novel (new) coronavirus. The outbreak first started in Wuhan, China, but cases have been identified in a growing number of other locations internationally, including the United States.

COVID-19: U.S. at a Glance*
Total cases: 80
Total deaths: 9
States reporting cases: 13

John Hopkins gives 148 cases 11 deaths

Why is the CDC unable  to keep  up to date ?
It is supposed to be the "center for disease control and prevention" in a first world nation .
it just received $300 million for the Centers for Disease Control’s rapid response fund.
Yet  they do not have a full time person updating the data in real time instead of once daily from the last days numbers ?
If i was in the USA I would be very afraid of the governments total incompetence.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Batteries: Today's Energy Solution
« on: March 04, 2020, 07:40:09 PM »
Nonsense arguments from Terry .
How totally surprising /s/
We  either transition away from fossil fuels or we fuck this planet for our civilization.
We do not have the political will to do so immediately.
So we have to except a slow change over time.
Only a gibbering loon would attack Tesla because it has not been perfect when Tesla has measurably  had  more effect to speed this transition than almost any other company on this smegging planet .

Tesla's impact.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/960121/sales-of-all-electric-vehicles-worldwide-by-model/
https://mip.pmi.org/hornsdale-power-reserve

By gibbering loon I mean a climate change denier .

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Policy and solutions / Re: Batteries: Today's Energy Solution
« on: March 03, 2020, 09:31:04 PM »
I dont have a lot of money.
The cost of land, house and upgrades was a fraction of the cost of a small apartment in Auckland  city.

Battery's will change the lives in the developing world . One small solar panel and a battery gives you light. A little more gives you the ability to run a fridge and / or pump water .
As the demand for electric cars ramps up it will drive down the costs of storage battery's as well supply second hand ex car units easily adaptable for the developing worlds needs .
Just as we see container loads of worn out cars going to Somalia and other places to be rebuilt and recycled we will see container loads of used Leaf, Tesla and other car battery's being recycled by those in need.

Light refrigeration and pumped water are  major issues for  third world populations.
Cheap long lasting batteries along with solar will allow them to upgrade their lives  with out being extorted by large corporations and corrupt governments .

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Policy and solutions / Re: Batteries: Today's Energy Solution
« on: March 03, 2020, 11:21:07 AM »
do you wanna compare our lifestyles in energy use, water use, carbon footprint, ecological footprint?

Yeah sure. :) 8)

 I live like this because I prefer too the low impact is a byproduct.
Generate my own electricity from a solar system cobbled together from second hand parts.
Catch and use rainwater.
Have my own septic system that treats all waste to a high standard using biological agents. The water run off irrigates my orchard.
I run a car because it would be difficult to use public transport when there is none.
However I also off set any emissions with the hectares of native bush I own and care for including exclusion of the many introduced species that our ecology is not adapted for. I also have created and care for another 1/2 acre of garden based mostly on natives else were.
My home is a recycled house made almost entirely from untreated timber with a concrete roof . I prefer not to wear man made fibers.. wool, cotton and leather boots thanks.
Grow most my own food. Buy as many consumer items like this laptop, my clothiers, books  etc second hand as I can. Net zero and a positive impact on the local threatened ecology.

My impact is lower than yours nanning your water , waste streams and food supply probably use more energy than my car.
I also know I need people like Neil and Sig  running around on the  hamster wheel of modern industrial society for my lifestyle to be viable.

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Here in northern NZ it is a record dry spell.
North drought: Auckland breaks record, Whangārei driest summer since WWII.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/119936610/northland-drought-whangrei-records-driest-summer-since-wwii
I am doing ok we added an extra  30,000 l rainwater tank for domestic use when we moved on.
The spring for stock water is still flowing in the back paddock I can not use the front two paddocks as the stock water pond is getting very near to dry.
The weather seems to have broken we are getting some light rain daily not enough to full tanks but at lest it stops the ground getting any dryer .
 

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Consequences / Re: Global Dimming - The aerosol masking effect
« on: March 02, 2020, 08:16:10 PM »

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 02, 2020, 03:47:51 AM »
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The government knew of course, but they are keeping it from everyone to keep everyone shopping.
Hanlon's razor
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 01, 2020, 11:51:00 PM »
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it suggests a CFR significantly below 7% which gets tossed around here a lot.

Cherry picking to support a straw man.
I have not seen anyone suggest a firm CFR of 7% It may be suggested as an upper bound .
You are distorting  like  those who see ECS of 1 to 4.5 C and then use in rhetoric an  "alarmist" 4.5C or  " lukewarm" 1C as the ECS. If a range is given it  should always be referred to using the entire range not just cherry picking an extremity to ague against . 
The diamond princess has 710 cases 6 deaths and 10 cures
We need  to  see a lot closer to 100% cured  before we can make  arguments for CFR based on the numbers from that source.
Besides be very careful with your data the passengers have now dispersed around the world. Cases infected on the ship are  being attributed to the country were they die not the source of infection.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/coronavirus-update-live-australia-records-first-covid-19-death-as-italian-cases-surge-20200302-p545v4.html

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 01, 2020, 10:39:39 PM »
USA COVID19 team meeting.
#thoughts and prayers


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Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: February 29, 2020, 08:42:49 PM »
The USA has no room to move.
low interest rates, large budget deficit and a maxed out share market.
Many have been saying for a while a small issue could  cause a recession
Wuflu ain't a small issue it is going to have a major global impact .
I can see the dow hitting a five year low in the next two months .
How is the great orange retard #leader of the free world going to cope with that?

bc You frequently make me laugh .

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: February 29, 2020, 07:39:32 PM »
What do you think of this,?

A Quote from sams earlier comment.
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Most or all of these are showing problems in efficacy. Multiple false negatives often proceed a positive test on a patient exhibiting symptoms
Darwin.

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Walking the walk / Re: Weeds and wild-growing plants
« on: February 29, 2020, 06:50:04 AM »
Two blocks over was using a herd of goats to clear his pasture of weeds .
They are now running wild in the 1000 hectares of native bush behind me and often come though the fences onto my pasture.
I don't have an issue with keeping or eating them but please for the environments sake keep them well contained .

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: February 29, 2020, 06:19:06 AM »
It is a moving target .
I fully expect outbreaks are  already well  in progress in India , Indonesia and parts of Africa.
I fell sorry for the poor in the USA .
No insurance  no sick pay no choice but to keep working .
It will spread quickly in the USA once it gets a hold

Here in NZ with have our first confirmed case.
The government was busy looking to China and one came in from Iran.
The news sparked a run on shops for supply's with ques up to a km long in places.
Strangely when I went to get a bottle of multipurpose sterilizer Aka vodka from the liquor store there was no one there.

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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: February 28, 2020, 11:48:01 PM »
I had withdrawal symptoms  :D and could not think of any way to find out if it was just me or every one.

 
 

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: February 25, 2020, 05:08:18 PM »
We have a global pandemic of a virus that causes death in 1.5 to 5% pf cases
If you think the rest of the world will lock down major city's like china has I have some news for you. Governments are reacting weeks late to close contact with centers of infection . We can not halt the spread it is already to late.
What many are failing to comprehend  is what is missing from this list .
77,660 Mainland China
977 South Korea
691 Others
283 Italy
170 Japan
95 Iran
90 Singapore
84 Hong Kong
53 US
37 Thailand
31 Taiwan
22 Australia
22 Malaysia
16 Germany
16 Vietnam
13 United Arab Emirates
13 UK
12 France
11 Canada
10 Macau
8 Bahrain
8 Kuwait
3 Spain
3 Philippines
3 India
2 Russia
2 Oman
1 Afghanistan
1 Lebanon
1 Nepal
1 Cambodia
1 Israel
1 Belgium
1 Finland
1 Sweden
1 Croatia
1 Iraq
1 Egypt
1 Sri Lanka

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No cases in South America, Indonesia  few in Africa, India and Philippians.
This can not be correct with what we know of infection rates and cross border travel.

 Most of us have had flu most of us will get this. In the less developed world they do not have the health facility's to treat the worse cases . In our world medical infrastructure is already frequently stressed by regular flu.

Ten to hundred million

If your granny dies a few years early at 80 it is still going to be  a death to you 
   

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Policy and solutions / Re: Electric cars
« on: February 24, 2020, 04:57:43 AM »
On a further note .
lithium used in battery's is 95% reusable it can become part of a sustainable  circular economy.
Even before recycling for the basic constituents  they can be used to support off grid solar generation.
 
On the other hand fossil fuels are mined then bunt not only representing a single use but are responsible for altering our climate beyond the limits our civilization has developed in  and also result in millions of deaths due to particular pollution within the worlds major city's.
One must come to the conclusion that those posting against a switch to battery electric transport are in fact climate change denying nutbars.
Harsh words but supportable .
Here is a hint.
Don't like electric transport? lock your self in a confined  space with a running fossil fuel car for an hour and tell me about the result.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Electric cars
« on: February 23, 2020, 07:41:08 PM »
Then perhaps we should revisit lithium mining from

Most lithium comes from the small island of the coast of here called Australia were the poor mistreated peasants  only get about $120,000AU a week year to dig big holes in remote places.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_lithium_production
http://iminco.net/mining-job-salaries-how-much-can-you-earn-mining-careers/
South america and the middle east are just distractions for the easily confused  by fossil fuel industry PR FUD.   
FWIW they don't mine it in south America they pump up brine underlying  vast sterile salt pans.
No complex life lives in such inhospitable places .
In regions were rainfall is measured in mm a year and some places recording zero rain for decades it is hardly the environmental catastrophe you would think from some comments.

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Consequences / Re: Chinese coronavirus
« on: February 23, 2020, 02:50:51 AM »
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This statement supports my belief that the virus will not be contained and any hope of doing so is long past. It also suggests that a global pandemic will not be the end of humanity. With a 2% fatality rate, possibly lower, we are seeing the equivalent of the Spanish Flu. This is going to be bad but persons here suggesting a 10% or 20% fatality rate are not paying attention to the experts.
Shared humanity I would like to take the opportunity to apologize unreservedly to you.
I misinterpreted one of your earlier comments as to the severity of this virus and attacked your comment needlessly .
I would suggest a mortally rate of 2.5 plus 2.5 minus 1 .
I do this in public rather than by PM as I believe we must protect our integrity and acknowledge error honestly to maintain respect of our  peers  on this forum .
Griff.

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