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« on: February 11, 2021, 06:43:35 AM »
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: January 01, 2021, 04:21:50 PM »
kassy, you may not understand this but blumenkraft is a friend of mine. Yes, abstract as all of you are. Still, I will act on my well-developed-but-not-perfect senses and do the right thing. Hell, what is this about kassy? I repeat my question; Do you have a heart?
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: November 05, 2020, 06:00:39 AM »
Good morning.
Yesterday I wrote
"If this still stands tomorrow, I'll make a stand and will peacefully protest by not participating for a while. If I can find the motivation again." - referring to Alexander555's post in the COVID-19 thread.
I see that it still stands. This is no place for me any longer.
Bye.
Yesterday I wrote
"If this still stands tomorrow, I'll make a stand and will peacefully protest by not participating for a while. If I can find the motivation again." - referring to Alexander555's post in the COVID-19 thread.
I see that it still stands. This is no place for me any longer.
Bye.
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: November 04, 2020, 10:12:33 AM »
Good morning.
This was posted by Alexander555 in the COVID-19 thread:
(bolding by me)
"We have a tread about a drug addicted violent homejacker like George Phloyed[sic]"
This was allowed to stand . . . . . . .
But I cannot stand it being allowed to stand as someone who has posted in the George Floyd thread and stands firmly with the oppressed. I'd thought that I was not alone.
If this still stands tomorrow, I'll make a stand and will peacefully protest by not participating for a while. If I can find the motivation again.
kassy I believe that you are the moderator of the COVID-19 thread. Your level of morality and justice shines through in your moderating acts. I find it shocking that you think that the quoted sentence is okay on this forum. In this way YOU select the forummembers. The moaners and flames stay and the silent good ones leave. This has nothing to do with my appreciation of the other efforts you put in as moderator and contributor. I don't think that you're bad as a person, nothing like that is intended.
See how a couple of emotionally- and personality-challenged members are taking up so much of your time (and ours) and effort and lower the general tone, readbility and quality of the forum by doing that. When someone is on a third try, I would be much harder on them and not allow any transgressions or it is into the corner again. Why not ask Neven for help with moderating issues? He's experienced here and you could learn from him.
Without naming them as trolls specifically (but I believe they are, difficult to explain here), their behaviour is very succesfull in destabilising the site and dragging the fiends-feelings down; invoking emotions and people taking sides and more.
I'm still disgusted by Alexander's post.
This was posted by Alexander555 in the COVID-19 thread:
(bolding by me)
"We have a tread about a drug addicted violent homejacker like George Phloyed[sic]"
This was allowed to stand . . . . . . .
But I cannot stand it being allowed to stand as someone who has posted in the George Floyd thread and stands firmly with the oppressed. I'd thought that I was not alone.
If this still stands tomorrow, I'll make a stand and will peacefully protest by not participating for a while. If I can find the motivation again.
kassy I believe that you are the moderator of the COVID-19 thread. Your level of morality and justice shines through in your moderating acts. I find it shocking that you think that the quoted sentence is okay on this forum. In this way YOU select the forummembers. The moaners and flames stay and the silent good ones leave. This has nothing to do with my appreciation of the other efforts you put in as moderator and contributor. I don't think that you're bad as a person, nothing like that is intended.
See how a couple of emotionally- and personality-challenged members are taking up so much of your time (and ours) and effort and lower the general tone, readbility and quality of the forum by doing that. When someone is on a third try, I would be much harder on them and not allow any transgressions or it is into the corner again. Why not ask Neven for help with moderating issues? He's experienced here and you could learn from him.
Without naming them as trolls specifically (but I believe they are, difficult to explain here), their behaviour is very succesfull in destabilising the site and dragging the fiends-feelings down; invoking emotions and people taking sides and more.
I'm still disgusted by Alexander's post.
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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020/2021 freezing season
« on: November 03, 2020, 06:07:02 AM »
BornFromTheVoid, many thanks for your great graphs.
Information; axes; legend; readability; colourchoices; map inset; context; consequence.. my compliments. (I'm not an expert)
Uniquorn, the way you're going you'll be a master soon imo.
Postive retroaction, thanks, that list of extremes made me stop to think.
Information; axes; legend; readability; colourchoices; map inset; context; consequence.. my compliments. (I'm not an expert)
Uniquorn, the way you're going you'll be a master soon imo.
Postive retroaction, thanks, that list of extremes made me stop to think.
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Permafrost / Re: Permafrost general science thread
« on: November 03, 2020, 04:57:01 AM »
The Observer / Archaeology
Secrets of the ice: unlocking a melting time capsule
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/nov/01/secrets-of-the-ice-unlocking-a-melting-time-capsule-archaeology-glaciers
This is Important imo.
Secrets of the ice: unlocking a melting time capsule
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/nov/01/secrets-of-the-ice-unlocking-a-melting-time-capsule-archaeology-glaciers
This is Important imo.
Quote
In a year when the unthinkable has become the everyday, when profound changes to lifestyle, economy, travel, ambition and health have been forced upon billions of us by a tiny virus, at a time when science has trumped even the most bombastic rhetoric, it is surely important to stop and reflect on the environmental consequences of our prior economic model. We may soon look back on the Covid-19 pandemic as the good old days before climate change raced away from us.
Will we soon be swapping our smartphones for atlatl, those ingenious ancient spear-throwing devices? It’s too soon to say, but archaeologists have the luxury of a very long view.
“Technological advancement is not permanent. It can fluctuate back and forth,” says Jarman. “We’ve seen that happen throughout human history, and it would be hubris to think that it couldn’t happen again,” he says. “I hope that if it does, that is because we have intentionally managed a soft landing, choosing sustainable technology because we want to, and we know it’s the right thing to do, rather than being forced into it.”
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The rest / Re: The off topic off topic thread
« on: November 02, 2020, 09:23:37 AM »
As a follow-up on my previous posts in this context.
Reformulation.
All prey species behave as prey. Prey do not purposely kill 'their' predators.
A predator will not purposely kill another predator except perhaps for territorial disputes or if one is prey to the other.
&
Observation: Birds can have some inter species communication. That is really something totally unexpected and mind boggling.
&
If life form = Plantae
"Killing a life form on purpose and not eat it"-rule doesn't seem to hold for 'it' being plants, e.g. elephants pushing over living trees in Africa.
If someone has anything to add or comment, please do.
Reformulation.
All prey species behave as prey. Prey do not purposely kill 'their' predators.
A predator will not purposely kill another predator except perhaps for territorial disputes or if one is prey to the other.
&
Observation: Birds can have some inter species communication. That is really something totally unexpected and mind boggling.
&
If life form = Plantae
"Killing a life form on purpose and not eat it"-rule doesn't seem to hold for 'it' being plants, e.g. elephants pushing over living trees in Africa.
If someone has anything to add or comment, please do.
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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020/2021 freezing season
« on: November 01, 2020, 06:54:55 AM »
I have been lurking and not contributing for a while, and not expert enough to contribute to the cryosphere threads, but I have with much interest followed the past weeks here and especially the posts by A-Team; Glen Koehler; FishOutofWater; aslan; BornFromTheVoid and others as well.
I much appreciate the high quality discussions and science! Many thanks. Please don't trip over the trolls
Apologies for not 'giving anything back'.
I much appreciate the high quality discussions and science! Many thanks. Please don't trip over the trolls
Apologies for not 'giving anything back'.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 28, 2020, 09:52:04 AM »Quote from: Shared Humanity
routinely connect with the homeless along the commercial district and direct them to emergency services. As a white man, I have lived a life of privilege, the kind of privilege that all white men benefit from in the U.S. I decided to use the last 15 years of my professional life giving back to the city that I love.
Dear Shared Humanity, you set a great example
. I deeply respect your life decision. You must be a good human. And you likely get something in return as well, albeit not money but far more important 'things'.
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The rest / Re: The off topic off topic thread
« on: October 23, 2020, 06:51:47 AM »
It is not my "view of nature". It is how living nature operates.
Your idea of what the "real world" is, is incorrect. The 'harsh reality' for living nature is civilisation's total destruction.
The 'world context' is the context of living nature, not the context of humans. Civilisation humans exhibit absolute supremacy, domination and control over all other life... even over their own females
"in the name of ecology"
yes of course, the ecology of how humans want living nature to be. Killing other lifeforms not for food but to 'correct' errors humans made, having degraded it themselves by bringing the invasive species in the first place. And still new invasive species are brought in. You call that sanity?
A conseqence of forementioned rule and of concern to humans is:
Omnivore prey animals don't purposely kill a predator that's larger than them
So to e.g. kill a bear for its skin is not living nature behaviour, i.e. not sane.
We should have gone south when it got cold.
I have to be careful to differentiate between humans and civilisation humans. Together they are humanity
Your idea of what the "real world" is, is incorrect. The 'harsh reality' for living nature is civilisation's total destruction.
The 'world context' is the context of living nature, not the context of humans. Civilisation humans exhibit absolute supremacy, domination and control over all other life... even over their own females
"in the name of ecology"
yes of course, the ecology of how humans want living nature to be. Killing other lifeforms not for food but to 'correct' errors humans made, having degraded it themselves by bringing the invasive species in the first place. And still new invasive species are brought in. You call that sanity?
A conseqence of forementioned rule and of concern to humans is:
Omnivore prey animals don't purposely kill a predator that's larger than them
So to e.g. kill a bear for its skin is not living nature behaviour, i.e. not sane.
We should have gone south when it got cold.
I have to be careful to differentiate between humans and civilisation humans. Together they are humanity
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Consequences / Re: Places becoming more livable
« on: October 22, 2020, 10:50:13 AM »
In the analyses above I miss some important factors (some are mentioned):
Accelerating biosphere/ecosystems collapse; mass extinctions, insectageddon, habitat loss, pollution etc.
It is not just us that wants to move to a safer livable place. All of living nature that can't move fast enough will vanish.
Microplastics will have large negative consequences on all kinds of animals, from small to large.
Continued use of biocides is not helping either.
The oceanic/inland seas' 'dead zones' are fast increasing.
Corals are dying/going extinct with ever increasing ocean temps.
What kind of 'ecosystem services' will remain functional?
It is an immense interconnected system of mutual dependencies. Ecosystem collapse will beyond some point become an avalance, one after the other will disappear once the core interconnected structure is gone (redundancy gone).
Weather extremes are increasing fast it seems, going by the past 5 years. No stable climate anymore.
Then of course there need to be houses and infrastructure and (poor) people to do the menial tasks in the favored new place. Is the country perhaps a target for war? And the destination country needs to welcome you and not send you back/enprison you!
So I guess that it also largely depends on your 'net worth'.
I think that all the proposed 'solutions' are only for the same happy few richest percents that are mainly responsible for the destruction throughout history and today.
I search in vain for some responsibility, guilt (conscience) and empathy by rich people (let's say income >$50000).
I am poor on purpose and stand with the unheeded vulnerable majority.
Those who are about to die, greet you
Accelerating biosphere/ecosystems collapse; mass extinctions, insectageddon, habitat loss, pollution etc.
It is not just us that wants to move to a safer livable place. All of living nature that can't move fast enough will vanish.
Microplastics will have large negative consequences on all kinds of animals, from small to large.
Continued use of biocides is not helping either.
The oceanic/inland seas' 'dead zones' are fast increasing.
Corals are dying/going extinct with ever increasing ocean temps.
What kind of 'ecosystem services' will remain functional?
It is an immense interconnected system of mutual dependencies. Ecosystem collapse will beyond some point become an avalance, one after the other will disappear once the core interconnected structure is gone (redundancy gone).
Weather extremes are increasing fast it seems, going by the past 5 years. No stable climate anymore.
Then of course there need to be houses and infrastructure and (poor) people to do the menial tasks in the favored new place. Is the country perhaps a target for war? And the destination country needs to welcome you and not send you back/enprison you!
So I guess that it also largely depends on your 'net worth'.
I think that all the proposed 'solutions' are only for the same happy few richest percents that are mainly responsible for the destruction throughout history and today.
I search in vain for some responsibility, guilt (conscience) and empathy by rich people (let's say income >$50000).
I am poor on purpose and stand with the unheeded vulnerable majority.
Those who are about to die, greet you
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Science / Re: Trump Administration Assaults on Science and the Environment
« on: October 21, 2020, 12:43:29 PM »
Tom, you should read the book I mentioned and it will become clearer.
Remember that there were once lions in Europe. It was not climate change that did it.
Taking more than you need...
Commerce... Profit...
Complete supremacy and disregard for all other life...
People long ago wrote an important book that said that everything belongs to humans... For the taking...
Remember that there were once lions in Europe. It was not climate change that did it.
Taking more than you need...
Commerce... Profit...
Complete supremacy and disregard for all other life...
People long ago wrote an important book that said that everything belongs to humans... For the taking...
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Science / Re: Trump Administration Assaults on Science and the Environment
« on: October 21, 2020, 06:14:44 AM »
Thanks gero.
I've just re-read the first chapter of "The Unnatural History of the Sea" by Callum Roberts and it sketches the living nature that Europeans found in North-America when they first got there.
The descriptions from sailors at that time show a living nature so mind-bogglingly rich as to be hardly believable. Those Europeans couldn't believe their eyes, literally. Already the native american 'indians' lived there for thousands of years of course and living nature was not in any way visibly disturbed.
The Europeans/Settlers destroyed all the riches in about 200 years by taking as much as they could, and then some.
The 'Garden of Eden'.
Gone. Everywhere. Even under water. Wetiko's total destruction.
Such an immense grief comes over me.
I've just re-read the first chapter of "The Unnatural History of the Sea" by Callum Roberts and it sketches the living nature that Europeans found in North-America when they first got there.
The descriptions from sailors at that time show a living nature so mind-bogglingly rich as to be hardly believable. Those Europeans couldn't believe their eyes, literally. Already the native american 'indians' lived there for thousands of years of course and living nature was not in any way visibly disturbed.
The Europeans/Settlers destroyed all the riches in about 200 years by taking as much as they could, and then some.
The 'Garden of Eden'.
Gone. Everywhere. Even under water. Wetiko's total destruction.
Such an immense grief comes over me.
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Consequences / Re: Places becoming more livable
« on: October 20, 2020, 07:23:35 AM »
I agree harpy, but I think it is not a "purely emotional impulse".
It is no more than what you're 'supposed' to do; what is 'normal'.
If you don't have children you are the odd one out.
Because it is step 4 of the short standard life-menu of civilisation culture, after step 1 "formal education and forced change into a grown-up"; step 2 "find job"; step 3 "find partner and engage in long-term bond".
Step 5 "material accumulation and career-ladder progress" (which has nothing to do with a real life); step 6 "Pension".
Most of these things are choices but not seen as such.
Apologies for off-topic.
It is no more than what you're 'supposed' to do; what is 'normal'.
If you don't have children you are the odd one out.
Because it is step 4 of the short standard life-menu of civilisation culture, after step 1 "formal education and forced change into a grown-up"; step 2 "find job"; step 3 "find partner and engage in long-term bond".
Step 5 "material accumulation and career-ladder progress" (which has nothing to do with a real life); step 6 "Pension".
Most of these things are choices but not seen as such.
Apologies for off-topic.
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Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: October 18, 2020, 10:02:31 AM »
The best renewable energy type is to use less energy.
Imagine if everybody did that in the rich countries. But I guess that you want even MORE
.
Imagine if everybody did that in the rich countries. But I guess that you want even MORE
.
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The rest / Re: The off topic off topic thread
« on: October 16, 2020, 10:37:08 AM »
Thanks for engaging SimonF92. Interesting.
Could you please provide some links?
I want to be able to see how much of the interpretations are suffering from civilisation bias/anthropomorphism and include the possibility of sick/crazy animals or otherwise out-of-bounds. I further accept that in the current very degraded ecosystems and pollution, other factors may be at play.
Could you please provide some links?
I want to be able to see how much of the interpretations are suffering from civilisation bias/anthropomorphism and include the possibility of sick/crazy animals or otherwise out-of-bounds. I further accept that in the current very degraded ecosystems and pollution, other factors may be at play.
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The rest / Re: The off topic off topic thread
« on: October 16, 2020, 09:41:08 AM »
Please respect my expertise in this Sebastian. And please find a contradiction or counter example if you've been 'thinking' about it. That would be helpful 
.
I am a scientist and do my science and thinking outside. For more than 5 years now.
It must be comfortable to be able to put away my findings just like that. But hey, I am used to it. No hard feelings.
.I am a scientist and do my science and thinking outside. For more than 5 years now.
It must be comfortable to be able to put away my findings just like that. But hey, I am used to it. No hard feelings.
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: October 15, 2020, 09:16:38 AM »
Great personal and informative post FishOutofWater.
No need to apologise for your country's chaos because I presume that you didn't have a hand in it. So you carry no responsibility imo.
Thanks for mentioning that your familiy is harshly affected by your national health care, what ever that term means in the U.S.A.. I think sometimes about the enormous hidden suffering out-of-sight of many millions of your fellow countrypersons of all colours and legalities.
But because I'm poor and chose the difficult but correct paths, I know that as a person the best way to grow is in facing adversity. You have the advantage of having a family and so can endure the adversity together and become ever more stronger as a family. I understand that when it's about life and death and pain etc. it doesn't feel like you're growing, but the growing is about how you and your family handle the situations and especially your own emotions, morality and balance. Some families find themselves in Moria, Greece, or getting their children taken from them and enprisoned at the doorstep of their destination. In relating to all others who suffer adversity in this callous insane culture, there's much information to be found about oneself and ones personal situation.
I wish you and yours strength, understanding, unity and moral clarity.
No need to apologise for your country's chaos because I presume that you didn't have a hand in it. So you carry no responsibility imo.
Thanks for mentioning that your familiy is harshly affected by your national health care, what ever that term means in the U.S.A.. I think sometimes about the enormous hidden suffering out-of-sight of many millions of your fellow countrypersons of all colours and legalities.
But because I'm poor and chose the difficult but correct paths, I know that as a person the best way to grow is in facing adversity. You have the advantage of having a family and so can endure the adversity together and become ever more stronger as a family. I understand that when it's about life and death and pain etc. it doesn't feel like you're growing, but the growing is about how you and your family handle the situations and especially your own emotions, morality and balance. Some families find themselves in Moria, Greece, or getting their children taken from them and enprisoned at the doorstep of their destination. In relating to all others who suffer adversity in this callous insane culture, there's much information to be found about oneself and ones personal situation.
I wish you and yours strength, understanding, unity and moral clarity.
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The rest / Re: The off topic off topic thread
« on: October 14, 2020, 05:26:22 PM »
I have discovered a fundamental rule of living nature:
If you kill a lifeform on purpose, you have to eat it.
If you kill a lifeform on purpose, you have to eat it.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 14, 2020, 05:14:54 PM »
Thanks Martin. Let's hunt down misinformation and trolls/deniers/context changers.
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Consequences / Re: Forests: An Endangered Resource
« on: October 13, 2020, 07:51:28 AM »
Thank you wili, that's one great and important article by a brilliant mind.
This a beautiful and very informative text, please read.
Here further excerpts:
In each of our many hundreds of different languages across the Amazon, we have a word for you – the outsider, the stranger. In my language, WaoTededo, that word is “cowori”. And it doesn’t need to be a bad word. But you have made it so. For us, the word has come to mean (and in a terrible way, your society has come to represent): the white man that knows too little for the power that he wields, and the damage that he causes.
You are probably not used to an Indigenous woman calling you ignorant and, less so, on a platform such as this. But for Indigenous peoples it is clear: the less you know about something, the less value it has to you, and the easier it is to destroy. And by easy, I mean: guiltlessly, remorselessly, foolishly, even righteously. And this is exactly what you are doing to us as Indigenous peoples, to our rainforest territories, and ultimately to our planet’s climate.
It took us thousands of years to get to know the Amazon rainforest. To understand her ways, her secrets, to learn how to survive and thrive with her. And for my people, the Waorani, we have only known you for 70 years (we were “contacted” in the 1950s by American evangelical missionaries), but we are fast learners, and you are not as complex as the rainforest.
...
I never had the chance to go to university, and become a doctor, or a lawyer, a politician, or a scientist. My elders are my teachers. The forest is my teacher. And I have learned enough (and I speak shoulder to shoulder with my Indigenous brothers and sisters across the world) to know that you have lost your way, and that you are in trouble (though you don’t fully understand it yet) and that your trouble is a threat to every form of life on Earth.
You forced your civilisation upon us and now look where we are: global pandemic, climate crisis, species extinction and, driving it all, widespread spiritual poverty. In all these years of taking, taking, taking from our lands, you have not had the courage, or the curiosity, or the respect to get to know us. To understand how we see, and think, and feel, and what we know about life on this Earth.
won’t be able to teach you in this letter, either. But what I can say is that it has to do with thousands and thousands of years of love for this forest, for this place. Love in the deepest sense, as reverence. This forest has taught us how to walk lightly, and because we have listened, learned and defended her, she has given us everything: water, clean air, nourishment, shelter, medicines, happiness, meaning. And you are taking all this away, not just from us, but from everyone on the planet, and from future generations.
It is the early morning in the Amazon, just before first light: a time that is meant for us to share our dreams, our most potent thoughts. And so I say to all of you: the Earth does not expect you to save her, she expects you to respect her. And we, as Indigenous peoples, expect the same.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/12/western-worldyour-civilisation-killing-life-on-earth-indigenous-amazon-planet
[the writer] Nemonte Nenquimo is cofounder of the Indigenous-led nonprofit organisation Ceibo Alliance, the first female president of the Waorani organisation of Pastaza province and one of Time’s 100 most influential people in the world
This a beautiful and very informative text, please read.
Here further excerpts:
In each of our many hundreds of different languages across the Amazon, we have a word for you – the outsider, the stranger. In my language, WaoTededo, that word is “cowori”. And it doesn’t need to be a bad word. But you have made it so. For us, the word has come to mean (and in a terrible way, your society has come to represent): the white man that knows too little for the power that he wields, and the damage that he causes.
You are probably not used to an Indigenous woman calling you ignorant and, less so, on a platform such as this. But for Indigenous peoples it is clear: the less you know about something, the less value it has to you, and the easier it is to destroy. And by easy, I mean: guiltlessly, remorselessly, foolishly, even righteously. And this is exactly what you are doing to us as Indigenous peoples, to our rainforest territories, and ultimately to our planet’s climate.
It took us thousands of years to get to know the Amazon rainforest. To understand her ways, her secrets, to learn how to survive and thrive with her. And for my people, the Waorani, we have only known you for 70 years (we were “contacted” in the 1950s by American evangelical missionaries), but we are fast learners, and you are not as complex as the rainforest.
...
I never had the chance to go to university, and become a doctor, or a lawyer, a politician, or a scientist. My elders are my teachers. The forest is my teacher. And I have learned enough (and I speak shoulder to shoulder with my Indigenous brothers and sisters across the world) to know that you have lost your way, and that you are in trouble (though you don’t fully understand it yet) and that your trouble is a threat to every form of life on Earth.
You forced your civilisation upon us and now look where we are: global pandemic, climate crisis, species extinction and, driving it all, widespread spiritual poverty. In all these years of taking, taking, taking from our lands, you have not had the courage, or the curiosity, or the respect to get to know us. To understand how we see, and think, and feel, and what we know about life on this Earth.
won’t be able to teach you in this letter, either. But what I can say is that it has to do with thousands and thousands of years of love for this forest, for this place. Love in the deepest sense, as reverence. This forest has taught us how to walk lightly, and because we have listened, learned and defended her, she has given us everything: water, clean air, nourishment, shelter, medicines, happiness, meaning. And you are taking all this away, not just from us, but from everyone on the planet, and from future generations.
It is the early morning in the Amazon, just before first light: a time that is meant for us to share our dreams, our most potent thoughts. And so I say to all of you: the Earth does not expect you to save her, she expects you to respect her. And we, as Indigenous peoples, expect the same.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/12/western-worldyour-civilisation-killing-life-on-earth-indigenous-amazon-planet
[the writer] Nemonte Nenquimo is cofounder of the Indigenous-led nonprofit organisation Ceibo Alliance, the first female president of the Waorani organisation of Pastaza province and one of Time’s 100 most influential people in the world
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Consequences / Re: Worst consequence of AGW
« on: October 09, 2020, 06:46:04 AM »
Indeed food which, besides 'production', also needs an intact global infrastructure.
But also potable water. Without potable water you'll not live long.
I observe that aquifers are drying up; most waterways are very contaminated; rainfall patterns change and exacerbate already drought stricken areas; salt water intrusion; superfund sites, fracking and mining are poisoning ground water; glaciers are vanishing and insane bottled water companies depleting the underground water reservoirs. These are trends that are accelerating imo.
But also potable water. Without potable water you'll not live long.
I observe that aquifers are drying up; most waterways are very contaminated; rainfall patterns change and exacerbate already drought stricken areas; salt water intrusion; superfund sites, fracking and mining are poisoning ground water; glaciers are vanishing and insane bottled water companies depleting the underground water reservoirs. These are trends that are accelerating imo.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 08, 2020, 07:29:08 PM »
I've missed your post when posting my last Bruce, sorry. Indeed damn!
May your stamina from diving and working outside many hours per day massively increase your luck. A virtual hug from me.
May your stamina from diving and working outside many hours per day massively increase your luck. A virtual hug from me.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 08, 2020, 06:40:39 PM »
I have posted part of a Guardian article upthread and am wondering why no one has responded, because I think it is significant.
"ONS survey said 86.1% of people between April and June had none of the main symptoms of coronavirus"
"ONS survey said 86.1% of people between April and June had none of the main symptoms of coronavirus"
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 08, 2020, 04:39:01 PM »
"this forum is as always so quick in wanting to make oneself or a selected few guilty of whatever opinion"
Erhm, perhaps you should think before you post generalisations on a public forum. You can think, can't you? This is not the Daily Mail.
Your post reads as a couple of excuses and then you write the above quote. Doesn't come across as sincere gandul.
edit: typo
Erhm, perhaps you should think before you post generalisations on a public forum. You can think, can't you? This is not the Daily Mail.
Your post reads as a couple of excuses and then you write the above quote. Doesn't come across as sincere gandul.
edit: typo
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The rest / Re: The off topic off topic thread
« on: October 08, 2020, 10:08:51 AM »
I frequently use the word "supremacy". Here I explain:
One can be superior in certain skills, tasks and other capacities, but it is insane to think of oneself as superior, i.e. that one as a person is superior. That is how I use "supremacy"; thinking that you are superior as a person.
Basic supremacy of civilisation: Supremacy over all other lifeforms.
(almost?) All rich people feel supreme over poor people. Aristocracy very much so. This is one of the major reasons for our insane world today.
Supremacy can manifest itself in many different layers, groups and forms of society.
Every supremacy adds another 'layer' of insanity.
Insanity is always destructive.
From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/supremacy:
supremacy (usually uncountable, plural supremacies)
1. The quality of being supreme.
2. Power over all others.
3. (in combination) The ideology that a specified group is superior to others or should have supreme power over them.
white supremacy
One can be superior in certain skills, tasks and other capacities, but it is insane to think of oneself as superior, i.e. that one as a person is superior. That is how I use "supremacy"; thinking that you are superior as a person.
Basic supremacy of civilisation: Supremacy over all other lifeforms.
(almost?) All rich people feel supreme over poor people. Aristocracy very much so. This is one of the major reasons for our insane world today.
Supremacy can manifest itself in many different layers, groups and forms of society.
Every supremacy adds another 'layer' of insanity.
Insanity is always destructive.
From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/supremacy:
supremacy (usually uncountable, plural supremacies)
1. The quality of being supreme.
2. Power over all others.
3. (in combination) The ideology that a specified group is superior to others or should have supreme power over them.
white supremacy
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Antarctica / Re: Ice Apocalypse - MULTIPLE METERS SEA LEVEL RISE
« on: October 04, 2020, 05:36:51 PM »
Precautionary principle
F.U.D. - no more doubt about uncertainties.
"I want you to panic"
- Greta Thunberg
off-topic for some perhaps but not if your world-view is realistic concerning the top statement.
F.U.D. - no more doubt about uncertainties.
"I want you to panic"
- Greta Thunberg
off-topic for some perhaps but not if your world-view is realistic concerning the top statement.
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The rest / Re: Foul Language thread (may contain....ooo...drumroll...climate and other science)
« on: October 03, 2020, 06:37:04 AM »
Darn, I can't get the image of the swearing and laughing Lincolnshire zoo parrots out of my head.
Those zoo keepers are such a bunch of stupid good-for-nothing buttheads for separating the parrots.
Taken from Africa as slaves to entertain white folks, they are put in prison so that they cannot fly. Now they are forbidden to laugh at the visitors and have fun. Parrot lives matter.
Those zoo keepers are such a bunch of stupid good-for-nothing buttheads for separating the parrots.
Taken from Africa as slaves to entertain white folks, they are put in prison so that they cannot fly. Now they are forbidden to laugh at the visitors and have fun. Parrot lives matter.
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: September 25, 2020, 10:33:28 AM »
I'm almost tempted to visit the 'Russia threads'. From reading the above, I am glad I have not visited and read that thread. Self-discipline is a great and important skill imo. One that should be learned early in life. But commerce has with its devious temptations and fabricated addictions to consumption, destroyed people's self-discipline and empathy. Aided by the governments and the media. Advertisements (i.e. devious temptation) are the fundament of almost all media and Internet today. Directly pushing and pulling the human psyche away from self-discipline: Growing materialism and greed and self-importance, degrading humans and living nature.
As an active asif forum member I don't feel responsible for any posts made by others. Or even whole threads.
Why would you feel responsible?
If the group had any real world actions in an organised structure, I would feel responsible for its actions and if I would disagree with them on a moral basis, that will be a reason for me to not participate any longer in a bad system, and leave.
As an active asif forum member I don't feel responsible for any posts made by others. Or even whole threads.
Why would you feel responsible?
If the group had any real world actions in an organised structure, I would feel responsible for its actions and if I would disagree with them on a moral basis, that will be a reason for me to not participate any longer in a bad system, and leave.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 24, 2020, 11:55:36 AM »
Eradicating the virus means short-term world wide lockdown, isolation and masks.
The problem with that, apart from greylib's arguments, is family situations and especially children. You need to keep absolutely everyone isolated for weeks, world wide in my view. We still have to eat and go shopping and e.g. essential work, infrastructure/maintenance, food supply and administrative tasks must go on in that situation.
Most people have a low capacity in understanding and a growing group doesn't trust science and government and will not comply.
I don't think that extirpating the virus is feasible in our contemporary economic growth and fake news societies. Alas.
The problem with that, apart from greylib's arguments, is family situations and especially children. You need to keep absolutely everyone isolated for weeks, world wide in my view. We still have to eat and go shopping and e.g. essential work, infrastructure/maintenance, food supply and administrative tasks must go on in that situation.
Most people have a low capacity in understanding and a growing group doesn't trust science and government and will not comply.
I don't think that extirpating the virus is feasible in our contemporary economic growth and fake news societies. Alas.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 24, 2020, 09:31:42 AM »<snip>
Isolate the young people for the biggest party on earth. Let them get sick, and immune, so that the older generation can retain their freedom...
We know that very likely immunity lasts only a couple of months. As with influenza.
So those youngsters will get infected again and will be (mostly presymptomaticly/asymptomaticly) contagious again.
The effects of repetitive infections with sars-cov-2 are still not known.
A party is always nice (Can I please join that party?) but it will not be effective.
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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: September 23, 2020, 10:56:12 AM »
wili, sorry to hear that your father is dying. I wish it is not COVID-19 related and that his departure will be a moment of unity and love. I think it's okay to hug people if each turns their face to the same side.
I'll miss you for a while.
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All dogma's are wrong.
People lose sight of the reasons behind the dogma, and dogma is a fixed set of behaviour and rules which makes it completely closed to changes in society/culture, new science-based insights and the fact that humans cannot be put in one category. Furthermore it implies a ruler but many times the ruler is long gone and people keep blindly following old dogma without leader or original arguments. Such as economic growth; tidiness; forced monogamy; a pet animal; material accumulation.
This is my opinion, not an attack on other opinions. And not specific to abortion.
Child death is completely natural.
Oren, you're right, this leads to nowhere because in general people with dogma's are very biased and are not open for change.
Tom, please give it a rest. There's no sense in trying to change our opinions of your dogma.
I'll miss you for a while.
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All dogma's are wrong.
People lose sight of the reasons behind the dogma, and dogma is a fixed set of behaviour and rules which makes it completely closed to changes in society/culture, new science-based insights and the fact that humans cannot be put in one category. Furthermore it implies a ruler but many times the ruler is long gone and people keep blindly following old dogma without leader or original arguments. Such as economic growth; tidiness; forced monogamy; a pet animal; material accumulation.
This is my opinion, not an attack on other opinions. And not specific to abortion.
Child death is completely natural.
Oren, you're right, this leads to nowhere because in general people with dogma's are very biased and are not open for change.
Tom, please give it a rest. There's no sense in trying to change our opinions of your dogma.
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Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 22, 2020, 12:40:29 PM »
This video is largely about energy and consumption and explains many problems. I think it adds to the discussion.
(please ignore the small SLR part. sources are listed on the youtube page)
(14m35)
(please ignore the small SLR part. sources are listed on the youtube page)
(14m35)
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Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 22, 2020, 12:34:03 PM »
oren, are you of the opinion that the energy transition problem has to be solved for all humans and not just for the rich parts?
I presume you do.
I find it very morally refreshing and most welcome that ralfy takes all humans into account and shines a light on the 'forgotten' majority of the world population. And in that process finds many drawbacks of the kind of energy transition that is advertised in this and the renewable energy threads.
A bit like popping a rich consumers 'dream'. A very low morality dream of people who already have everything and don't want to share, they just want more nice and shiny 'stuff'.
I would leave this forum if it remains a rich consumers' dominated/biased discussion. It stinks.
The law of diminishing returns does very much apply to this discussion imo. Thanks ralfy for not dreaming.
Re: science
Not everything has to be solved using academic science. We need to open our hearts and include the people that have been colonised & exploited for centuries. It's about time. Beds are burning.
Low hanging fruit in the energy transition and mitigation is: Stop giving trillions of euro's of money from tax payers to FF industry.
We haven't even set the very first step for a global solution. We let the profit maximising commerce handle our future. They have no hearts to open. Please do not listen to them and please ignore their marketing talk.
I presume you do
.I find it very morally refreshing and most welcome that ralfy takes all humans into account and shines a light on the 'forgotten' majority of the world population. And in that process finds many drawbacks of the kind of energy transition that is advertised in this and the renewable energy threads.
A bit like popping a rich consumers 'dream'. A very low morality dream of people who already have everything and don't want to share, they just want more nice and shiny 'stuff'.
I would leave this forum if it remains a rich consumers' dominated/biased discussion. It stinks.
The law of diminishing returns does very much apply to this discussion imo. Thanks ralfy for not dreaming.
Re: science
Not everything has to be solved using academic science. We need to open our hearts and include the people that have been colonised & exploited for centuries. It's about time. Beds are burning.
Low hanging fruit in the energy transition and mitigation is: Stop giving trillions of euro's of money from tax payers to FF industry.
We haven't even set the very first step for a global solution. We let the profit maximising commerce handle our future. They have no hearts to open. Please do not listen to them and please ignore their marketing talk.
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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: September 21, 2020, 06:02:59 PM »
That's beautifully creative BornFromTheVoid. I like. A good one for next season for seeing the other minima crossed and the plume of course. Could go a bit slower for the last three weeks, but perhaps I'm too slow .
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The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: September 21, 2020, 05:27:00 PM »
Good advice oren, and indeed 'medieval' is a bit over the top. I think it means torture chambers and blum would not do that
it's almost as if Tom keeps relighting the 'fire' on purpose. I might post a song in the good music thread about it
it's almost as if Tom keeps relighting the 'fire' on purpose. I might post a song in the good music thread about it
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Policy and solutions / Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« on: September 21, 2020, 07:09:20 AM »
World's richest 1% cause double CO2 emissions of poorest 50%, says Oxfam
Charity says world’s fast-shrinking carbon budget should be used to improve lot of poorest
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/21/worlds-richest-1-cause-double-co2-emissions-of-poorest-50-says-oxfam
by Fiona Harvey
Excerpts: (bolding by me)
The wealthiest 1% of the world’s population were responsible for the emission of more than twice as much carbon dioxide as the poorer half of the world from 1990 to 2015, according to new research.
Carbon dioxide emissions rose by 60% over the 25-year period, but the increase in emissions from the richest 1% was three times greater than the increase in emissions from the poorest half.
The report, compiled by Oxfam and the Stockholm Environment Institute, warned that rampant overconsumption and the rich world’s addiction to high-carbon transport are exhausting the world’s “carbon budget”.
Such a concentration of carbon emissions in the hands of the rich means that despite taking the world to the brink of climate catastrophe, through burning fossil fuels, we have still failed to improve the lives of billions, said Tim Gore, head of policy, advocacy and research at Oxfam International.
“The global carbon budget has been squandered to expand the consumption of the already rich, rather than to improve humanity,” he told the Guardian. “A finite amount of carbon can be added to the atmosphere if we want to avoid the worst impacts of the climate crisis. We need to ensure that carbon is used for the best.”
The richest 10% of the global population, comprising about 630 million people, were responsible for about 52% of global emissions over the 25-year period, the study showed.
Globally, the richest 10% are those with incomes above about $35,000 (£27,000) a year, and the richest 1% are people earning more than about $100,000.
..a finite carbon budget of how much carbon dioxide it is safe to produce, which scientists warn will be exhausted within a decade at current rates.
Oxfam argues that continuing to allow the rich world to emit vastly more than those in poverty is unfair. While the world moves towards renewable energy and phases out fossil fuels, any emissions that continue to be necessary during the transition would be better used in trying to improve poor people’s access to basic amenities.
“The best possible, morally defensible purpose is for all humanity to live a decent life, but [the carbon budget] has been used up by the already rich, in getting richer,”
Charity says world’s fast-shrinking carbon budget should be used to improve lot of poorest
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/21/worlds-richest-1-cause-double-co2-emissions-of-poorest-50-says-oxfam
by Fiona Harvey
Excerpts: (bolding by me)
The wealthiest 1% of the world’s population were responsible for the emission of more than twice as much carbon dioxide as the poorer half of the world from 1990 to 2015, according to new research.
Carbon dioxide emissions rose by 60% over the 25-year period, but the increase in emissions from the richest 1% was three times greater than the increase in emissions from the poorest half.
The report, compiled by Oxfam and the Stockholm Environment Institute, warned that rampant overconsumption and the rich world’s addiction to high-carbon transport are exhausting the world’s “carbon budget”.
Such a concentration of carbon emissions in the hands of the rich means that despite taking the world to the brink of climate catastrophe, through burning fossil fuels, we have still failed to improve the lives of billions, said Tim Gore, head of policy, advocacy and research at Oxfam International.
“The global carbon budget has been squandered to expand the consumption of the already rich, rather than to improve humanity,” he told the Guardian. “A finite amount of carbon can be added to the atmosphere if we want to avoid the worst impacts of the climate crisis. We need to ensure that carbon is used for the best.”
The richest 10% of the global population, comprising about 630 million people, were responsible for about 52% of global emissions over the 25-year period, the study showed.
Globally, the richest 10% are those with incomes above about $35,000 (£27,000) a year, and the richest 1% are people earning more than about $100,000.
..a finite carbon budget of how much carbon dioxide it is safe to produce, which scientists warn will be exhausted within a decade at current rates.
Oxfam argues that continuing to allow the rich world to emit vastly more than those in poverty is unfair. While the world moves towards renewable energy and phases out fossil fuels, any emissions that continue to be necessary during the transition would be better used in trying to improve poor people’s access to basic amenities.
“The best possible, morally defensible purpose is for all humanity to live a decent life, but [the carbon budget] has been used up by the already rich, in getting richer,”
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: September 19, 2020, 08:10:37 AM »
Thanks oren. I have a 'thick skin' and recognize when someone capitulates .
Grandul,
Serious questions about the 0Kg CO₂ and other personal conumptions etc. will be gladly answered. Note: These zero emissions are just my personal direct emissions. Re: fake, you have no idea of the amount of discipline and sacrifices by me to be able to be a good example for others and to live with my conscience. I have to be pure otherwise I have no base to stand on. "Full honesty" didn't fit on that line.
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wili,
I am not a native English speaker, and may easily have made an error.
I was not addressing gerontocrat in my post above whilst Steve did address ralfy in his post. To me, that's the difference.
Let me explain what I mean:
Addressing someone who's standing next to you, in the third person, in stead of directly addressing the person, is in my view disrespectful.
If Steve was not in a discussion with ralfy, then it is different. Then it is like talking about someone who isn't present.
I see a clear difference but do you see it too?
If I'm wrong with my interpretation, please explain it so that I may improve my English language skills.
-
"ribbing"
Learned a new word already, thank you wili.
.Grandul,
Serious questions about the 0Kg CO₂ and other personal conumptions etc. will be gladly answered. Note: These zero emissions are just my personal direct emissions. Re: fake, you have no idea of the amount of discipline and sacrifices by me to be able to be a good example for others and to live with my conscience. I have to be pure otherwise I have no base to stand on. "Full honesty" didn't fit on that line.
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wili,
I am not a native English speaker, and may easily have made an error.
I was not addressing gerontocrat in my post above whilst Steve did address ralfy in his post. To me, that's the difference.
Let me explain what I mean:
Addressing someone who's standing next to you, in the third person, in stead of directly addressing the person, is in my view disrespectful.
If Steve was not in a discussion with ralfy, then it is different. Then it is like talking about someone who isn't present.
I see a clear difference but do you see it too?
If I'm wrong with my interpretation, please explain it so that I may improve my English language skills.
-
"ribbing"
Learned a new word already, thank you wili
.
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Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: September 18, 2020, 06:29:46 PM »
For decades David Attenborough delighted millions with tales of life on Earth. But now the broadcaster wants us to face up to the state of the planet
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/18/dont-look-away-now-are-viewers-finally-ready-for-the-truth-about-nature-aoe
by Patrick Greenfield
&
(51m44)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/18/dont-look-away-now-are-viewers-finally-ready-for-the-truth-about-nature-aoe
by Patrick Greenfield
&
(51m44)
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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020/2021 freezing season
« on: September 18, 2020, 04:53:56 PM »
Bravo Samuel, beautiful. Thanks for all your efforts!
What ana says.
What ana says.
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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: September 18, 2020, 04:48:55 PM »
In the same metaphore:
The symptoms are worsening fast. I fear the patient is already in the terminal phase
(dunno what "AA" means)
What will next year bring? I can't wait to see the patient die.
The continued living of this patient is frustrating climate action because it takes too long for the population at large to unmistakenly see clear consequences and get really fearfull. In an existential emergency one should be fearful if one wants to live.
The sooner we 'stop', the better for life on Earth. At least for the children's future.
The emergency signs were flashing in our eyes. Bye bye.
The symptoms are worsening fast. I fear the patient is already in the terminal phase
(dunno what "AA" means)
What will next year bring? I can't wait to see the patient die.
The continued living of this patient is frustrating climate action because it takes too long for the population at large to unmistakenly see clear consequences and get really fearfull. In an existential emergency one should be fearful if one wants to live.
The sooner we 'stop', the better for life on Earth. At least for the children's future.
The emergency signs were flashing in our eyes. Bye bye.
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: September 17, 2020, 11:34:11 AM »
Welcome back blu_ice .
In my view it is possible to leave without deleting ones account: Just stop posting.
Perhaps deleting is a form of self-help in ones discipline; to not be able to post anymore.
.In my view it is possible to leave without deleting ones account: Just stop posting.
Perhaps deleting is a form of self-help in ones discipline; to not be able to post anymore.
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The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: September 14, 2020, 10:05:31 AM »
Why did police stop and search Bianca Williams and Ricardo Dos Santos?
Stop and search of two athletes in London renews concerns about police powers
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/jul/06/why-did-police-stop-and-search-bianca-williams-and-ricardo-dos-santos
by Jamie Grierson
Excerpts:
What happened?
Williams and her partner, Dos Santos, were stopped as they were driving a Mercedes in Maida Vale on Saturday.
Video of the incident, posted by Linford Christie on Twitter, showed officers telling Dos Santos and Williams, who were travelling with their three-month-old son, they were going to be searched. Williams is heard repeatedly saying: “My son is in the car.”
Williams, 26, a European and Commonwealth relay gold medallist, and Dos Santos, 25, a Portuguese 400m record holder, have said they fear they were targeted because they are black.
..Following a search of the vehicle, the man and the woman, nothing was found. No arrests were made and the occupants were allowed on their way.
Are they able to search vehicles without suspicion any offence has taken place?
The police can search people or vehicles without suspicion under a stop and search power known as section 60. A section 60 is a power which allows police officers to stop and search anyone in a specific area without needing to have reasonable grounds.
But this did not apply in the case of Williams and Dos Santos.
Under the Road Traffic Act, police officers can stop vehicles without any grounds but are unable to search the vehicles. They are only able to ask questions of the driver and request licence details.
Stop and search powers are used disproportionately against people from BAME backgrounds, particularly black men.
In England and Wales, black men are 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched than white men. In some force areas, this is higher: police in Dorset are 25 times more likely to search black men than white men.
Stop and search of two athletes in London renews concerns about police powers
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/jul/06/why-did-police-stop-and-search-bianca-williams-and-ricardo-dos-santos
by Jamie Grierson
Excerpts:
What happened?
Williams and her partner, Dos Santos, were stopped as they were driving a Mercedes in Maida Vale on Saturday.
Video of the incident, posted by Linford Christie on Twitter, showed officers telling Dos Santos and Williams, who were travelling with their three-month-old son, they were going to be searched. Williams is heard repeatedly saying: “My son is in the car.”
Williams, 26, a European and Commonwealth relay gold medallist, and Dos Santos, 25, a Portuguese 400m record holder, have said they fear they were targeted because they are black.
..Following a search of the vehicle, the man and the woman, nothing was found. No arrests were made and the occupants were allowed on their way.
Are they able to search vehicles without suspicion any offence has taken place?
The police can search people or vehicles without suspicion under a stop and search power known as section 60. A section 60 is a power which allows police officers to stop and search anyone in a specific area without needing to have reasonable grounds.
But this did not apply in the case of Williams and Dos Santos.
Under the Road Traffic Act, police officers can stop vehicles without any grounds but are unable to search the vehicles. They are only able to ask questions of the driver and request licence details.
Stop and search powers are used disproportionately against people from BAME backgrounds, particularly black men.
In England and Wales, black men are 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched than white men. In some force areas, this is higher: police in Dorset are 25 times more likely to search black men than white men.
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The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: September 14, 2020, 06:08:31 AM »
Hey Tom, you might like this photo
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2020/sep/11/comedy-wildlife-photography-awards-2020-finalists-in-pictures
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2020/sep/11/comedy-wildlife-photography-awards-2020-finalists-in-pictures
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Science / Re: Where are we now in CO2e , which pathway are we on?
« on: September 14, 2020, 05:06:52 AM »
Thank you for letting it stand, moderator kassy.
"280 is moot if we cannot even get close to 350."
Indeed. It's completely academic.
"280 is moot if we cannot even get close to 350."
Indeed. It's completely academic.
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Science / Re: Where are we now in CO2e , which pathway are we on?
« on: September 13, 2020, 06:25:22 PM »
Thank you wili. Beautiful.
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Science / Re: Where are we now in CO2e , which pathway are we on?
« on: September 13, 2020, 07:39:08 AM »Quote from: wdmn
Back on this old nonsense eh nanning?
Nanning's logic -- as has been discussed elsewhere ad nauseam -- presumes
That's not my logic you describe wdmn. That's your logic projected onto me.
I won't react further to your unkind words and charges.
Main point is: high technology comes with high responsibility and we are not alone on this planet and this planet is not ours to spoil.
edit: added quotes
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Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 12, 2020, 10:49:39 AM »
Kiwigriff, his posts are all replies to other forum members. You were wrong with your hint. And if he's on ignore (shame on you) why do you have to scroll so much since you don't see his posts?
Please be nice to forum members and not just to your 'friends'.
He is new, give him some slack. Tom and Freegrass were also very active when they were new members if I recall correctly.
edit: I see now that KiwiGriff has removed his post. Tail between legs? Hmm. Next time I'll put the quote in.
Please be nice to forum members and not just to your 'friends'.
He is new, give him some slack. Tom and Freegrass were also very active when they were new members if I recall correctly.
edit: I see now that KiwiGriff has removed his post. Tail between legs? Hmm. Next time I'll put the quote in.
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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: September 02, 2020, 05:28:56 PM »Quote from: Freegrass
or it wasn't as cold there as other years?
Always the fat cats who go on vacation when they feel the heat.
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Consequences / Re: Hurricane Season 2020
« on: September 02, 2020, 05:21:43 PM »
Hurricane Omegad