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Consequences / Re: Places becoming more livable
« on: October 20, 2020, 07:23:35 AM »
I agree harpy, but I think it is not a "purely emotional impulse".
It is no more than what you're 'supposed' to do; what is 'normal'.
If you don't have children you are the odd one out.
Because it is step 4 of the short standard life-menu of civilisation culture, after step 1 "formal education and forced change into a grown-up"; step 2 "find job"; step 3 "find partner and engage in long-term bond".
Step 5 "material accumulation and career-ladder progress" (which has nothing to do with a real life); step 6 "Pension".
Most of these things are choices but not seen as such.

Apologies for off-topic.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy
« on: October 18, 2020, 10:02:31 AM »
The best renewable energy type is to use less energy.
Imagine if everybody did that in the rich countries. But I guess that you want even MORE  ::).

The rest / Re: The off topic off topic thread
« on: October 16, 2020, 10:37:08 AM »
Thanks for engaging SimonF92. Interesting.
Could you please provide some links?
I want to be able to see how much of the interpretations are suffering from civilisation bias/anthropomorphism and include the possibility of sick/crazy animals or otherwise out-of-bounds. I further accept that in the current very degraded ecosystems and pollution, other factors may be at play.

The rest / Re: The off topic off topic thread
« on: October 16, 2020, 09:41:08 AM »
Please respect my expertise in this Sebastian. And please find a contradiction or counter example if you've been 'thinking' about it. That would be helpful :).
I am a scientist and do my science and thinking outside. For more than 5 years now.
It must be comfortable to be able to put away my findings just like that. But hey, I am used to it. No hard feelings.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: October 15, 2020, 09:16:38 AM »
Great personal and informative post FishOutofWater.
No need to apologise for your country's chaos because I presume that you didn't have a hand in it. So you carry no responsibility imo.

Thanks for mentioning that your familiy is harshly affected by your national health care, what ever that term means in the U.S.A.. I think sometimes about the enormous hidden suffering out-of-sight of many millions of your fellow countrypersons of all colours and legalities.
But because I'm poor and chose the difficult but correct paths, I know that as a person the best way to grow is in facing adversity. You have the advantage of having a family and so can endure the adversity together and become ever more stronger as a family. I understand that when it's about life and death and pain etc. it doesn't feel like you're growing, but the growing is about how you and your family handle the situations and especially your own emotions, morality and balance. Some families find themselves in Moria, Greece, or getting their children taken from them and enprisoned at the doorstep of their destination. In relating to all others who suffer adversity in this callous insane culture, there's much information to be found about oneself and ones personal situation.
I wish you and yours strength, understanding, unity and moral clarity.

The rest / Re: The off topic off topic thread
« on: October 14, 2020, 05:26:22 PM »
I have discovered a fundamental rule of living nature:

           If you kill a lifeform on purpose, you have to eat it.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 14, 2020, 05:14:54 PM »
Thanks Martin. Let's hunt down misinformation and trolls/deniers/context changers.

Consequences / Re: Forests: An Endangered Resource
« on: October 13, 2020, 07:51:28 AM »
Thank you wili, that's one great and important article by a brilliant mind.

This a beautiful and very informative text, please read.

Here further excerpts:

In each of our many hundreds of different languages across the Amazon, we have a word for you – the outsider, the stranger. In my language, WaoTededo, that word is “cowori”. And it doesn’t need to be a bad word. But you have made it so. For us, the word has come to mean (and in a terrible way, your society has come to represent): the white man that knows too little for the power that he wields, and the damage that he causes.

You are probably not used to an Indigenous woman calling you ignorant and, less so, on a platform such as this. But for Indigenous peoples it is clear: the less you know about something, the less value it has to you, and the easier it is to destroy. And by easy, I mean: guiltlessly, remorselessly, foolishly, even righteously. And this is exactly what you are doing to us as Indigenous peoples, to our rainforest territories, and ultimately to our planet’s climate.

It took us thousands of years to get to know the Amazon rainforest. To understand her ways, her secrets, to learn how to survive and thrive with her. And for my people, the Waorani, we have only known you for 70 years (we were “contacted” in the 1950s by American evangelical missionaries), but we are fast learners, and you are not as complex as the rainforest.

I never had the chance to go to university, and become a doctor, or a lawyer, a politician, or a scientist. My elders are my teachers. The forest is my teacher. And I have learned enough (and I speak shoulder to shoulder with my Indigenous brothers and sisters across the world) to know that you have lost your way, and that you are in trouble (though you don’t fully understand it yet) and that your trouble is a threat to every form of life on Earth.

You forced your civilisation upon us and now look where we are: global pandemic, climate crisis, species extinction and, driving it all, widespread spiritual poverty. In all these years of taking, taking, taking from our lands, you have not had the courage, or the curiosity, or the respect to get to know us. To understand how we see, and think, and feel, and what we know about life on this Earth.

 won’t be able to teach you in this letter, either. But what I can say is that it has to do with thousands and thousands of years of love for this forest, for this place. Love in the deepest sense, as reverence. This forest has taught us how to walk lightly, and because we have listened, learned and defended her, she has given us everything: water, clean air, nourishment, shelter, medicines, happiness, meaning. And you are taking all this away, not just from us, but from everyone on the planet, and from future generations.

It is the early morning in the Amazon, just before first light: a time that is meant for us to share our dreams, our most potent thoughts. And so I say to all of you: the Earth does not expect you to save her, she expects you to respect her. And we, as Indigenous peoples, expect the same.

[the writer] Nemonte Nenquimo is cofounder of the Indigenous-led nonprofit organisation Ceibo Alliance, the first female president of the Waorani organisation of Pastaza province and one of Time’s 100 most influential people in the world

Consequences / Re: Worst consequence of AGW
« on: October 09, 2020, 06:46:04 AM »
Indeed food which, besides 'production', also needs an intact global infrastructure.
But also potable water. Without potable water you'll not live long.
I observe that aquifers are drying up; most waterways are very contaminated; rainfall patterns change and exacerbate already drought stricken areas; salt water intrusion; superfund sites, fracking and mining are poisoning ground water; glaciers are vanishing and insane bottled water companies depleting the underground water reservoirs. These are trends that are accelerating imo.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 08, 2020, 07:29:08 PM »
I've missed your post when posting my last Bruce, sorry. Indeed damn!
May your stamina from diving and working outside many hours per day massively increase your luck. A virtual hug from me.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 08, 2020, 06:40:39 PM »
I have posted part of a Guardian article upthread and am wondering why no one has responded, because I think it is significant.

"ONS survey said 86.1% of people between April and June had none of the main symptoms of coronavirus"

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 08, 2020, 04:39:01 PM »
"this forum is as always so quick in wanting to make oneself or a selected few guilty of whatever opinion"

Erhm, perhaps you should think before you post generalisations on a public forum. You can think, can't you? This is not the Daily Mail.
Your post reads as a couple of excuses and then you write the above quote. Doesn't come across as sincere gandul.

edit: typo

The rest / Re: The off topic off topic thread
« on: October 08, 2020, 10:08:51 AM »
I frequently use the word "supremacy". Here I explain:

One can be superior in certain skills, tasks and other capacities, but it is insane to think of oneself as superior, i.e. that one as a person is superior. That is how I use "supremacy"; thinking that you are superior as a person.

Basic supremacy of civilisation: Supremacy over all other lifeforms.
(almost?) All rich people feel supreme over poor people. Aristocracy very much so. This is one of the major reasons for our insane world today.
Supremacy can manifest itself in many different layers, groups and forms of society.

Every supremacy adds another 'layer' of insanity.
Insanity is always destructive.


supremacy (usually uncountable, plural supremacies)

    1. The quality of being supreme.
    2. Power over all others.
    3. (in combination) The ideology that a specified group is superior to others or should have supreme power over them.

    white supremacy

Antarctica / Re: Ice Apocalypse - MULTIPLE METERS SEA LEVEL RISE
« on: October 04, 2020, 05:36:51 PM »
Precautionary principle

F.U.D. - no more doubt about uncertainties.

"I want you to panic"
- Greta Thunberg

off-topic for some perhaps but not if your world-view is realistic concerning the top statement.

Darn, I can't get the image of the swearing and laughing Lincolnshire zoo parrots out of my head.

Those zoo keepers are such a bunch of stupid good-for-nothing buttheads for separating the parrots.
Taken from Africa as slaves to entertain white folks, they are put in prison so that they cannot fly. Now they are forbidden to laugh at the visitors and have fun. Parrot lives matter.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: September 25, 2020, 10:33:28 AM »
I'm almost tempted to visit the 'Russia threads'. From reading the above, I am glad I have not visited and read that thread. Self-discipline is a great and important skill imo. One that should be learned early in life. But commerce has with its devious temptations and fabricated addictions to consumption, destroyed people's self-discipline and empathy. Aided by the governments and the media. Advertisements (i.e. devious temptation) are the fundament of almost all media and Internet today. Directly pushing and pulling the human psyche away from self-discipline: Growing materialism and greed and self-importance, degrading humans and living nature.

As an active asif forum member I don't feel responsible for any posts made by others. Or even whole threads.
Why would you feel responsible?
If the group had any real world actions in an organised structure, I would feel responsible for its actions and if I would disagree with them on a moral basis, that will be a reason for me to not participate any longer in a bad system, and leave.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 24, 2020, 11:55:36 AM »
Eradicating the virus means short-term world wide lockdown, isolation and masks.
The problem with that, apart from greylib's arguments, is family situations and especially children. You need to keep absolutely everyone isolated for weeks, world wide in my view. We still have to eat and go shopping and e.g. essential work, infrastructure/maintenance, food supply and administrative tasks must go on in that situation.
Most people have a low capacity in understanding and a growing group doesn't trust science and government and will not comply.
I don't think that extirpating the virus is feasible in our contemporary economic growth and fake news societies. Alas.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 24, 2020, 09:31:42 AM »
Isolate the young people for the biggest party on earth. Let them get sick, and immune, so that the older generation can retain their freedom...

We know that very likely immunity lasts only a couple of months. As with influenza.
So those youngsters will get infected again and will be (mostly presymptomaticly/asymptomaticly) contagious again.
The effects of repetitive infections with sars-cov-2 are still not known.

A party is always nice (Can I please join that party?) but it will not be effective.

The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: September 23, 2020, 10:56:12 AM »
wili, sorry to hear that your father is dying. I wish it is not COVID-19 related and that his departure will be a moment of unity and love. I think it's okay to hug people if each turns their face to the same side.
I'll miss you for a while.


All dogma's are wrong.
People lose sight of the reasons behind the dogma, and dogma is a fixed set of behaviour and rules which makes it completely closed to changes in society/culture, new science-based insights and the fact that humans cannot be put in one category. Furthermore it implies a ruler but many times the ruler is long gone and people keep blindly following old dogma without leader or original arguments. Such as economic growth; tidiness; forced monogamy; a pet animal; material accumulation.

This is my opinion, not an attack on other opinions. And not specific to abortion.
Child death is completely natural.

Oren, you're right, this leads to nowhere because in general people with dogma's are very biased and are not open for change.

Tom, please give it a rest. There's no sense in trying to change our opinions of your dogma.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 22, 2020, 12:40:29 PM »
This video is largely about energy and consumption and explains many problems. I think it adds to the discussion.
(please ignore the small SLR part. sources are listed on the youtube page)


Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 22, 2020, 12:34:03 PM »
oren, are you of the opinion that the energy transition problem has to be solved for all humans and not just for the rich parts?
I presume you do :).

I find it very morally refreshing and most welcome that ralfy takes all humans into account and shines a light on the 'forgotten' majority of the world population. And in that process finds many drawbacks of the kind of energy transition that is advertised in this and the renewable energy threads.
A bit like popping a rich consumers 'dream'. A very low morality dream of people who already have everything and don't want to share, they just want more nice and shiny 'stuff'.
I would leave this forum if it remains a rich consumers' dominated/biased discussion. It stinks.

The law of diminishing returns does very much apply to this discussion imo. Thanks ralfy for not dreaming.

Re: science
Not everything has to be solved using academic science. We need to open our hearts and include the people that have been colonised & exploited for centuries. It's about time. Beds are burning.

Low hanging fruit in the energy transition and mitigation is: Stop giving trillions of euro's of money from tax payers to FF industry.
We haven't even set the very first step for a global solution. We let the profit maximising commerce handle our future. They have no hearts to open. Please do not listen to them and please ignore their marketing talk.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: September 21, 2020, 06:02:59 PM »
That's beautifully creative BornFromTheVoid. I like. A good one for next season for seeing the other minima crossed and the plume of course. Could go a bit slower for the last three weeks, but perhaps I'm too slow :).

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: September 21, 2020, 05:27:00 PM »
Good advice oren, and indeed 'medieval' is a bit over the top. I think it means torture chambers and blum would not do that :)

it's almost as if Tom keeps relighting the 'fire' on purpose. I might post a song in the good music thread about it ;)

Policy and solutions / Re: If not Capitalism... then What? And, How?
« on: September 21, 2020, 07:09:20 AM »
World's richest 1% cause double CO2 emissions of poorest 50%, says Oxfam
Charity says world’s fast-shrinking carbon budget should be used to improve lot of poorest
  by Fiona Harvey

 Excerpts: (bolding by me)

The wealthiest 1% of the world’s population were responsible for the emission of more than twice as much carbon dioxide as the poorer half of the world from 1990 to 2015, according to new research.

Carbon dioxide emissions rose by 60% over the 25-year period, but the increase in emissions from the richest 1% was three times greater than the increase in emissions from the poorest half.

The report, compiled by Oxfam and the Stockholm Environment Institute, warned that rampant overconsumption and the rich world’s addiction to high-carbon transport are exhausting the world’s “carbon budget”.

Such a concentration of carbon emissions in the hands of the rich means that despite taking the world to the brink of climate catastrophe, through burning fossil fuels, we have still failed to improve the lives of billions, said Tim Gore, head of policy, advocacy and research at Oxfam International.

The global carbon budget has been squandered to expand the consumption of the already rich, rather than to improve humanity,” he told the Guardian. “A finite amount of carbon can be added to the atmosphere if we want to avoid the worst impacts of the climate crisis. We need to ensure that carbon is used for the best.”

The richest 10% of the global population, comprising about 630 million people, were responsible for about 52% of global emissions over the 25-year period, the study showed.

Globally, the richest 10% are those with incomes above about $35,000 (£27,000) a year, and the richest 1% are people earning more than about $100,000.

..a finite carbon budget of how much carbon dioxide it is safe to produce, which scientists warn will be exhausted within a decade at current rates.

Oxfam argues that continuing to allow the rich world to emit vastly more than those in poverty is unfair. While the world moves towards renewable energy and phases out fossil fuels, any emissions that continue to be necessary during the transition would be better used in trying to improve poor people’s access to basic amenities.

The best possible, morally defensible purpose is for all humanity to live a decent life, but [the carbon budget] has been used up by the already rich, in getting richer,

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: September 19, 2020, 08:10:37 AM »
Thanks oren. I have a 'thick skin' and recognize when someone capitulates :).

Serious questions about the 0Kg CO₂ and other personal conumptions etc. will be gladly answered. Note: These zero emissions are just my personal direct emissions. Re: fake, you have no idea of the amount of discipline and sacrifices by me to be able to be a good example for others and to live with my conscience. I have to be pure otherwise I have no base to stand on. "Full honesty" didn't fit on that line.

I am not a native English speaker, and may easily have made an error.

I was not addressing gerontocrat in my post above whilst Steve did address ralfy in his post. To me, that's the difference.

Let me explain what I mean:
Addressing someone who's standing next to you, in the third person, in stead of directly addressing the person, is in my view disrespectful.
If Steve was not in a discussion with ralfy, then it is different. Then it is like talking about someone who isn't present.
I see a clear difference but do you see it too?
If I'm wrong with my interpretation, please explain it so that I may improve my English language skills.


Learned a new word already, thank you wili :).

Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: September 18, 2020, 06:29:46 PM »
For decades David Attenborough delighted millions with tales of life on Earth. But now the broadcaster wants us to face up to the state of the planet
  by Patrick Greenfield



Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020/2021 freezing season
« on: September 18, 2020, 04:53:56 PM »
Bravo Samuel, beautiful. Thanks for all your efforts! :)
What ana says.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: September 18, 2020, 04:48:55 PM »
In the same metaphore:
The symptoms are worsening fast. I fear the patient is already in the terminal phase ;)
(dunno what "AA" means)

What will next year bring? I can't wait to see the patient die.

The continued living of this patient is frustrating climate action because it takes too long for the population at large to unmistakenly see clear consequences and get really fearfull. In an existential emergency one should be fearful if one wants to live.
The sooner we 'stop', the better for life on Earth. At least for the children's future.
The emergency signs were flashing in our eyes. Bye bye.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: September 17, 2020, 11:34:11 AM »
Welcome back blu_ice :).

In my view it is possible to leave without deleting ones account: Just stop posting.
Perhaps deleting is a form of self-help in ones discipline; to not be able to post anymore.

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: September 14, 2020, 10:05:31 AM »
Why did police stop and search Bianca Williams and Ricardo Dos Santos?
Stop and search of two athletes in London renews concerns about police powers
  by Jamie Grierson


What happened?

Williams and her partner, Dos Santos, were stopped as they were driving a Mercedes in Maida Vale on Saturday.

Video of the incident, posted by Linford Christie on Twitter, showed officers telling Dos Santos and Williams, who were travelling with their three-month-old son, they were going to be searched. Williams is heard repeatedly saying: “My son is in the car.”

Williams, 26, a European and Commonwealth relay gold medallist, and Dos Santos, 25, a Portuguese 400m record holder, have said they fear they were targeted because they are black.

..Following a search of the vehicle, the man and the woman, nothing was found. No arrests were made and the occupants were allowed on their way.

Are they able to search vehicles without suspicion any offence has taken place?

The police can search people or vehicles without suspicion under a stop and search power known as section 60. A section 60 is a power which allows police officers to stop and search anyone in a specific area without needing to have reasonable grounds.

But this did not apply in the case of Williams and Dos Santos.

Under the Road Traffic Act, police officers can stop vehicles without any grounds but are unable to search the vehicles. They are only able to ask questions of the driver and request licence details.

Stop and search powers are used disproportionately against people from BAME backgrounds, particularly black men.

In England and Wales, black men are 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched than white men. In some force areas, this is higher: police in Dorset are 25 times more likely to search black men than white men.

Science / Re: Where are we now in CO2e , which pathway are we on?
« on: September 14, 2020, 05:06:52 AM »
Thank you for letting it stand, moderator kassy.

"280 is moot if we cannot even get close to 350."
Indeed. It's completely academic.

Science / Re: Where are we now in CO2e , which pathway are we on?
« on: September 13, 2020, 06:25:22 PM »
Thank you wili. Beautiful. :)

Science / Re: Where are we now in CO2e , which pathway are we on?
« on: September 13, 2020, 07:39:08 AM »
Quote from: wdmn
Back on this old nonsense eh nanning?
Nanning's logic -- as has been discussed elsewhere ad nauseam -- presumes

That's not my logic you describe wdmn. That's your logic projected onto me.
I won't react further to your unkind words and charges.
Main point is: high technology comes with high responsibility and we are not alone on this planet and this planet is not ours to spoil.

edit: added quotes

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 12, 2020, 10:49:39 AM »
Kiwigriff, his posts are all replies to other forum members. You were wrong with your hint. And if he's on ignore (shame on you) why do you have to scroll so much since you don't see his posts?

Please be nice to forum members and not just to your 'friends'.
He is new, give him some slack. Tom and Freegrass were also very active when they were new members if I recall correctly.

edit: I see now that KiwiGriff has removed his post. Tail between legs? Hmm. Next time I'll put the quote in.

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: September 02, 2020, 05:28:56 PM »
Quote from: Freegrass
or it wasn't as cold there as other years?

Always the fat cats who go on vacation when they feel the heat.

Consequences / Re: Hurricane Season 2020
« on: September 02, 2020, 05:21:43 PM »
Hurricane Omegad  :'(

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 02, 2020, 10:13:57 AM »
Congrats bbr2315 on your health improvements and your discipline in changing your lifestyle :).
Lowering your chance of dying from COVID-19.

More people should heed the wake-up calls and change their lifestyle.
Once you have discipline one can make long-term sacrifices and improve oneself.
Many times it is about overcoming addiction to ease, comforts and habits.
The 'other side' of change is always better. You will have lowered your susceptibility to temptations. You have become stronger.

Permafrost / Re: Reglaciation speculations (bbr)
« on: September 02, 2020, 08:14:39 AM »
Reglaciation speculation: after >200000 years (post-cenozoic )  (after hyperthermal; post-anthropocene thermal maximum)

The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: August 29, 2020, 04:20:37 PM »
I think it's business as usual Freegrass. But now, since the uproar from the murder/killing of George Floyd (and earlier racist killings), the attacked and oppressed people (in their own country) are not taking it any longer. Nothing's changed and the right-wing violent extremists and government seem to be on the same side.
Perhaps they should bond with the first nation people and hispanics.

edit: but I agree that it's convenient for re-election purposes (fear).

Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020 melting season
« on: August 28, 2020, 04:59:45 PM »
Very nice.

I second that. Great work imo. Thank you.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: August 28, 2020, 04:45:52 PM »
Simple. See your fellow forum members as friends!

War should not happen and not be acceptable.

We should spring into action everytime some poster writes something that's not nice, that's insulting, judgemental or other, you catch my drift. Don't let it stand. Perhaps even more important than falsehoods/cherry picking/denial because it is the face of our group; our unity, trust and respect, our cohesion and peace.

You could see it as 'gardening'.

edit: added unity,trust,respect,cohesion,peace

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: August 27, 2020, 05:35:23 PM »
Congratulations Gray-Wolf! :) Very glad for you to be able to (this quick) realise your goal and dream I guess because now you can start another path. A path full of other people and personal exploration and satisfaction. May your boat steer into good waters.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: August 27, 2020, 06:33:30 AM »
Harpy is one such participant here. He is not here in good faith.

Hm, another personal attack on a forum member.
bbr2315, you should've put that in a PM to a moderator imo because you just came of moderation and already you are stoking fires with your post by writing nasty words about another forummember "He is not here in good faith" for us all to see.
Why not make a good argument and leave it at that. You/we must stop with personal attacks!

If you were still under moderation, this post would not have come through I expect. You have not learned it seems.

edit: added quote

Walking the walk / Re: Can we/should we save the public school system ?
« on: August 24, 2020, 01:27:11 PM »
"Like giving guest lessons at school to give a blunt overview of the situation of the world without sugarcoating anything."
Very good.

I have been thinking about this recently. For different ages a different set-up. Short intermezzo's in normal class. ca. 20 minutes with one large subject much simplified with many visuals. It would take some time to prepare but I know that this is a great way to widen the scope of the curriculum. Giving the most important information about our global threats and causes.

What a wonderful thing it would be if an international expert group creates several series of classes on these subjects for different ages and make it publicly free to use. Then every country would have a great template where only the language needs to change and local specifics. Then put them on youtube so that also poor children can learn if they have (intermittent) access to the Internet.

Here in The Netherlands it is very hard to find a book on AGW/biosphere collapse. In bookshops as well as libraries. And, as far as I know, there are no TV programmes about it to inform the population.

Arctic sea ice / Re: Home brew AMSR2 extent & area calculation
« on: August 24, 2020, 07:57:17 AM »
Re: the gif above SimonF92's post.
What a wonderful visual A-Team. And great choice of colours imho.

edit: corrected name because there's also a Simon on the forum

Permafrost / Re: Arctic Methane Release
« on: August 22, 2020, 04:44:41 PM »
I piss on 'pecking order'  :)
One doesn't take it serious but deals with it.

And I second the graphics compliment above.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 19, 2020, 07:54:57 PM »
Quote from: Gray-Wolf
as an aside I lost my Father & Son to H1N1 [Swine Flu] in 2010 & 11' and I was left with this barsteward 'Post Viral Syndrome'
Jesus! Those were bad times Gray, you have my sympathy. I wish that your syndrom is not too debilitating and disabling. To add, I think your posts are of a high quality. Nice to see you posting more.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: August 19, 2020, 05:56:51 PM »
Freegrass, please, please, give it a rest. Let's say, out of respect for the forum. be cause is not dividing at all, that is only in your mind.
And realise yourself that you are in effect 'the flame'. Please ignore the oil, wood, diesel and gas.

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