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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: February 25, 2020, 08:40:45 AM »
From the Guardian:
"Aerial footage shows huge queues for masks in South Korea amid coronavirus panic – video"

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: February 25, 2020, 06:42:19 AM »
Quote from: kassy
Basically we do not see our trained behaviour while she does.

That is a very special talent. I have a similar talent but a bit different and of greater scope (I see a.o. social and non-verbal stuff).
I wish that her eyes will further open with time and not get the grown-ups' veil.
Please Greta, don't become a grown-up. You've already learned that not all children are mean and many are bullied just like you. That bullying behaviour is not normal natural for children (humans). It is in part a reaction/adaptation to perceived group behaviour and hierarchy of grown-ups (very toxic). The bullying behaviour is fleeing into a secure group because of fear. Fear of being alone and not belong (and of low hierarchy, unsuccesful). Many children who participate in this are not really bullies but are just too weak and scared to stand on their own. Greta has a lot of courage. Courage that you won't find amongst the bullies. Courage has nothing to do with violence.
... While in tears, Greta swallowed a couple of times and turned back around the corner to face the group of people in front of the houses of parliament. THAT'S COURAGE.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: February 23, 2020, 04:57:22 PM »
Malena Ernman on daughter Greta Thunberg: ‘She was slowly disappearing into some kind of darkness’
  by Malena Ernman

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: February 23, 2020, 08:03:20 AM »
Gala - Freed From Desire (1996)

na, na, na, na na nanning ;D

Policy and solutions / Re: Geoengineering, another rush for money?
« on: February 22, 2020, 04:30:23 PM »
Thanks for that info kassy.
WIll the mad geo-engineering industry listen to this report? It would be great if the planned massive iron pollution would not go ahead.

I wrote "mad" because they still try to use human technology to control nature

Consequences / Re: Weird Weather and anecdotal stories about climate change
« on: February 22, 2020, 11:18:18 AM »
You mean it is having leaves already? That would be astonishing. Can you please take a photo of it?
I've seen a lot of buds but no leaves. The first leaves should appear mid April.

JP Morgan economists warn climate crisis is threat to human race
  by Patrick Greenfield and Jonathan Watts

The research by JP Morgan economists David Mackie and Jessica Murray says the climate crisis will impact the world economy, human health, water stress, migration and the survival of other species on Earth.

“We cannot rule out catastrophic outcomes where human life as we know it is threatened,” notes the paper, which is dated 14 January.

Although precise predictions are not possible, it is clear that the Earth is on an unsustainable trajectory. Something will have to change at some point if the human race is going to survive.”

The investment bank says climate change “reflects a global market failure in the sense that producers and consumers of CO2 emissions do not pay for the climate damage that results.” To reverse this, it highlights the need for a global carbon tax but cautions that it is “not going to happen anytime soon” because of concerns about jobs and competitiveness.

The authors say it is “likely the [climate] situation will continue to deteriorate, possibly more so than in any of the IPCC’s scenarios”.

edit: I now see that AbruptSLR posted this info from another source yesterday,2205.msg250706.html#msg250706

The rest / Re: Is Man the "Unnatural Animal?"
« on: February 22, 2020, 05:16:51 AM »
Great post wdmn.

"Are you also hardwired in this way nanning?"

I was. I've changed my wiring. Neuroplasticity.
I've hunted down the errors and inconsistencies of my brain and of the programmed culture's effects in my brain.
I've peeled away the bias layers of civilisation culture and have found the fundamental erroneous unnatural choices of its traditions. The 'outside'.

I don't have many hard facts wdmn. I bet other philosophers didn't have hard facts as well. Many things I have written have subsequently been ignored. Heedless.
What's different from other philosophers throughout (pre)history is that I have calibration! i.e. I don't reason from within the civilisation cultural bubble. I have found reality.
That took A LOT of effort. Please don't underestimate the amount of effort. It is impossible for others to just 'see' what I mean because they can't see through the civilisation bubble. It really is like safety-glass: You don't see it and can't step outside it.
The views of civilisation culture have hardwired humans' brains since early childhood. All that is seen as normal is hard wired.
This can be changed via neuroplasticity but needs a lot of courage, effort, intelligence and curiosity.
Note: I'm not an academic scientist and am not good with that specific language. It is easy to dismiss my texts because they don't 'sound' proper academically scientific.


Fact: humans are not monogamous by nature so should not bond for a long time.
- Fathers are unnatural.
- Family and houses are unnatural.
- Men don't have a natural purpose in this culture.
- Women, mothers and children (who are young vulnerable humans) have to put up with a men who's the boss over them.
- Inheritance is unnatural.
- Empire is unnatural.
- Private material accumulation is unnatural.
- Every family behaves like a separate secretive tribe.
The consequences go much further than the above.

These are just the effects of 1 wrong turn very long ago.

We have been discussing a definition of life which is not my research.

You write to wili: "You're not reading carefully enough". That's true for many people. My texts are very condensed with much information. Single words can have a lot of meaning. When you have read my sentences, can you say to yourself "yes, I have understood all these words"?

Dear wdmn, I have problems with too many subjects simultaneously. In real and natural human communication i.e. talking to each other face to face, only one subject is under discussion at a time.

May I suggest we continue with just 1 clear subject so it's easier to stay focussed on a small part and build from there. I think it's the only way this can work.

The rest / Re: Is Man the "Unnatural Animal?"
« on: February 21, 2020, 09:22:25 AM »
Thanks for replying. Alas, I have not been succesful in transferring meaning. I observe wild divergence. I need some time to respond to the above. In the meantime here is an interesting article and appropriate here.
FYI. From a different context than this thread, but the underlying mechanism is the same.

Humans are hardwired to dismiss facts that don't fit their worldview

"A human being's very sense of self is intimately tied up with his or her identity group's status and beliefs. Unsurprisingly, then, people respond automatically and defensively to information that threatens their ideological worldview. We respond with rationalization and selective assessment of evidence—that is, we engage in "confirmation bias," giving credit to expert testimony we like and find reasons to reject the rest."

"Unwelcome information can also threaten in other ways. "System justification" theorists like psychologist John Jost have shown how situations that represent a threat to established systems trigger inflexible thinking and a desire for closure."

Edit: civilisation humans are not part of living nature and you are not a 'lost cause'.

Policy and solutions / Re: Extinction Rebellion
« on: February 19, 2020, 06:34:29 PM »
Last two posts.
Iain and NeilT, sorry, but I think that's dung from a male cow.

I'm not taking the effort now to give any arguments. Maybe later in another thread.

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: February 19, 2020, 06:25:50 PM »
Thanks blumenkraft. I Like. 1985 was a great year for me :).

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: February 19, 2020, 07:48:14 AM »
Beastie Boys - Intergalactic (1998)

Greenland and Arctic Circle / Re: What's new in Greenland?
« on: February 19, 2020, 07:20:36 AM »
Welcome to the forum TobiR.

"Forgive me, for I have sinned"

We all have 'sinned'. The quest is to not do it again and stop sinning altogether. To be a good, honest, tolerant, generous, social and beautiful human. Not all religious 'sins' are moral sins.

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: February 12, 2020, 06:00:12 PM »
This was one of my first LP's. I still get goosebumps from it even though I listen to Logitec 20 euro computerspeakers.

Pianist: Vladimir Azkenazy
Director: Bernhard Haitink
Orchestra: Concertgebouw Orchestra

Sergei Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto 4

The rest / Re: Economic Inequality
« on: February 11, 2020, 09:04:09 AM »
Dystopian torturous measures by the Australian government unleashed on unemployed poor people to make them suffer and despair.

Consequences / Re: Chinese coronavirus
« on: February 11, 2020, 08:11:09 AM »

When will a vaccine be ready?

Teams around the world are racing to produce a vaccine, with some vaccine candidates already being tested in animals, just weeks after the coronavirus DNA sequence was released.

Jeff Richardson of Inovio Pharmaceuticals, one of the teams backed by funding from the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (Cepi), said the team’s DNA-based vaccine is already being manufactured on a larger scale for human testing projected to start early summer. A team from the University of Queensland, also backed by Cepi, is already testing its vaccine in combination with a technology developed by GSK, which makes the immune system respond more strongly to vaccines, potentially lowering the dose required by a factor of four.

Few people doubt that a viable vaccine will be in human testing by the summer. But these incremental trials, in which the numbers given the vaccine are ramped up from 20 to 200 and then thousands, will unavoidably take many months to ensure that the vaccine is safe and that even rare side-effects are spotted. A commercially available vaccine within a year would be quick.

Consequences / Re: Chinese coronavirus
« on: February 11, 2020, 08:02:47 AM »
    Coronavirus: expert warns infection could reach 60% of world's population

    Exclusive: Hong Kong’s leading public health epidemiologist says
    other countries should consider adopting China-style containment measures
  by Sarah Boseley

The novel coronavirus epidemic could spread to around two-thirds of the world’s population if it cannot be controlled, according to Hong Kong’s leading public health epidemiologist.

His warning came after the head of the World Health Organisation (WHO) said recent cases of coronavirus patients who have never visited China could be the “tip of the iceberg”. Professor Gabriel Leung, chair of Public Health Medicine at Hong Kong University, said the overriding question was to figure out the size and shape of the iceberg. Most experts thought that each person infected would go on to transmit the virus to around 2.5 other people. That gave an “attack rate” of 60-80%.

“Sixty per cent of the world’s population is an awfully big number,” Leung told the Guardian in London, en route to an expert meeting at the WHO in Geneva.

Even if the general fatality rate is as low as 1%, which Leung thinks is possible once milder cases are taken into account, the death toll would be massive.

He will tell the WHO expert meeting that the main issue is the scale of the growing worldwide epidemic and the second priority is to find out whether the drastic measures taken by China to prevent the spread have worked – because if so, other countries should think about adopting them.

Experts also need to know whether the restrictions in the epicentre of Wuhan and other cities have reduced infections. “Have these massive public health interventions, social distancing, and mobility restrictions worked in China?” he asked. “If so, how can we roll them out, or is it not possible?”

There would be difficulties. “Let’s assume that they have worked. But how long can you close schools for? How long can you lock down an entire city for? How long can you keep people away from shopping malls? And if you remove those [restrictions], then is it all going to come right back and rage again? So those are very real questions,” he said.

If China’s lockdown has not worked, there is another unpalatable truth to face: that the coronavirus might not be possible to contain. Then the world will have to switch tracks: instead of trying to contain the virus, it will have to work to mitigate its effects.

Leung said the period of time when people were infected but showed no symptoms remained a huge problem. Quarantine was necessary, but to ensure people were not still carrying the virus when they left, everybody should ideally be tested every couple of days. If anyone within a quarantine camp or on a stricken cruise ship tested positive, the clock should be reset to 14 days more for all the others.

But other countries with links to China appear, inexplicably, to have no cases – such as Indonesia. “Where are they?” he asked.

and of course when you have social media and fake news and real news all mixed in there and then zero trust, how do you fight that epidemic?

Arctic sea ice / Re: "Stupid" Questions :o
« on: February 10, 2020, 05:39:25 PM »
Tom, have you googled it before you made another "what about this?" - post?

I personally find it a bit irritating that you post many of those kinds of questions and you don't seem to make an effort to find the information or think of some explanation yourself. Sorry if this comes as a surprise. I am not telling you how to post, just that i find it a bit irritating, that's all.

The rest / Re: Good music
« on: February 08, 2020, 06:41:13 PM »
With a hat-tip to: be cause,2996.msg248623.html#msg248623

Art Garfunkel - I Shall Sing (1974)

edit: added link to be cause post

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: February 08, 2020, 05:53:03 PM »
Wow that's nice. Thank you for enthousiastic replying and for all the advise. I feel welcomed in this group :)
There may be many stupid questions by me forthcoming because I'm so new at this. I will try to look things up before I'll bother my forumfriends.
I feel that interesting adventures await me. It's not even NH spring.
I have a week to choose my allotment. They differ in oblongness, location and 'readyness'.
The guy that introduced me had a preference for this "NL: spitvork":

There are also wild deer roaming the fields and they get to eat some vegetables from allotments, but the general idea is: The animals have to eat as well. They don't have a problem with deer or birds eating 'their' stuff. What a great mentality.

edit: image linked from

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: February 08, 2020, 02:47:25 PM »
This week I have started nitting. Each wednesday morning a group of elderly ladies, mostly close neighbours, get together for a couple of hours to drink coffee, chat, laugh and knit. I am the only man but I much enjoy their company and have a lot to learn, eyeing their complex handywork. This is higher mathematics which should suit me, having taught mathematics for years at university, but I don't know a lot about topology. Luckily there's a lot of symmetry.
What's also new to me, is that it is the only time of the week that I spend hours in a 21°C room. I can leave all extra clothes at home since it's only a 20 seconds walk from my house.

Policy and solutions / Re: Cars, cars and more cars Part Deux
« on: February 07, 2020, 06:01:41 AM »
Desperately clinging to last straws ;)
Please try to imagine a future without private cars. Can you?

That's interesting GeoffBeacon, thanks.
"have not dared" is very likely: ESLD (erring on side of least drama, economical/governing/keep-dreams-alive)

The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: February 06, 2020, 05:26:00 PM »
I have just listened for half an hour, in full enjoyment, to the beautiful singing of a blackbird. It's still singing but I felt the need to share this positive thing.

The rest / Re: Empire - America and the future
« on: February 06, 2020, 07:20:01 AM »
Very apt: "Both wings of the same bird of prey applaud Venezuela coup"

Consequences / Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« on: February 06, 2020, 07:04:04 AM »
Thanks philopek. I thought that '+1' means 'a like given' and I didn't see that in the totals beneath my profile photo. Perhaps I've missed it. It's not important at all.
Have a great day my friend.

Consequences / Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« on: February 05, 2020, 04:27:26 PM »
Thank you for your words.

Quote from: philopek
Where's my +1? ;)

Consequences / Re: Qué se ficieron ?
« on: February 05, 2020, 06:12:41 AM »
The voters will never hold them responsible in my estimate.

For that to happen, a critical investigative open and free media is required. People don't know and have been brainwashed with 'american' propaganda for decades. Most news channels are guilty of censorship and give a lopsided world view.

We in the E.U. tolerate Guantanamo Bay but our E.U. leaders have to mention human rights when visiting e.g. China.
It is a shame that we in the E.U. are on 'their side', subservant to the U.S.A.: The axis of evil (they started this modern episode with Little Boy and McCarthy I think).
People have already forgotten about the very shocking wikileaks and NSA revelations a couple of years ago.

Consequences / Re: Near Term Human Extinction
« on: February 02, 2020, 09:53:34 AM »
Sorry to hear that be cause.
My advise for such circumstances: Don't give in to fear and enjoy intimate moments with loved ones. Browse through all your (shared) memories and try to smile. Crying is also good.

A virtual warm hug from me. I wish I could give you some of my health.

Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: January 30, 2020, 02:02:21 PM »
Thank you for that gerontocrat.

Shamen, spirits, survival: how Claudia Andujar fought for the Yanomami tribe
  by Oliver Basciano

An interesting article describing a period when Claudia, a photographer, lived for some time with the tribe. Beautiful photo's.

In the context of upthread discussion, these excerpts caught my attention:

"Claudia took her time to get to know us; she slept in our shabono,” he says, referring to the ring-shaped wooden buildings that the Yanomami live in communally."

"Elsewhere, the Yanomami are shown sympathetically, romanticised perhaps, with no hint to what some conservative anthropologists claim to be a violent culture inherent to the tribe."

"Traditionally, Yanomami do not give each other names, referring only to their relationships with one another."

I post this here because three days ago, Terry mentioned civilisation behaviour by the pre-contacted tribe from the article above:,2305.msg246552.html#msg246552

This Guardian article gives me another and very different and non-conservative view.
It is easy to try to counter my research with such random unscientific conservative examples. Then it's up to me to find out what's going on without a having a link. Sorry, but I find that tiresome and unfair.

I don't need and I don't want to explain my research to people who are not interested.
I had thought that losing distorted views is very important to people who want to see the truth. Apparently not. This truth-loving goes not very deep in my view. Especially where the truth implies that your culture is very bad and insane. That's a truth that intelligent truth-people don't want to see it seems.

Re: Reply #2693 "Atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations"

Thank you AbruptSLR for that information regarding our calculation of CO2e. Of course aerosols should be included in that formula as a negative radiative forcing. We now only need the pre-industrial aerosol concentrations to calculate the actual CO₂ equivalent GHG concentrations.

Science / Re: 2020 CO2 emissions
« on: January 27, 2020, 06:32:43 AM »
Quote from: Shared Humanity
I'm thinking yes unless the economy collapses.

Come on! Let's all live frugal. Don't participate in bad systems.

Frugality is the quality of being frugal, sparing, thrifty, prudent or economical in the consumption of consumable resources such as food, time or money, and avoiding waste, lavishness or extravagance.[2][3][4][5]

In behavioral science, frugality has been defined as the tendency to acquire goods and services in a restrained manner, and resourceful use of already owned economic goods and services, to achieve a longer term goal.[

I'm living frugal for some years now and my life has improved in meaningful ways: Less stuff and ease (lazyness) but an intenser and more meaningful life.

Science / Re: Where are we now in CO2e , which pathway are we on?
« on: January 25, 2020, 02:47:16 PM »
Stephan, could you please post your calculation and the numbers you used?

You mention different factors for GHG's but there is only 1 column in your table. I would have expected several CO2e numbers based on those factors.

Your CH4 seems much too low.
I have done it like this:
dec2020 CO₂ 412 ppm                 =   412    ppm
sep2019 CH4    1.8705 ppm * 85 =  158.99 ppm (85)
                          1.8705 ppm * 28 =    52.37 ppm (20)
dec2020 N₂O      0.332 ppm * 264 =   87.6 ppm

Total CO2e  equivalent                        -------- +
                                                      658.6  ppm CO2e (85)
                                                      552.0  ppm          (20)

Consequences / Re: The Holocene Extinction
« on: January 23, 2020, 06:23:44 AM »
Interesting Tor. Thanks for the creative work.
I think even being responsible for 1 extinction is a terrible burden on one's conscience. The losses of ecosystems and lifeforms are indescribable and unfathomable. Total destruction indeed.  :'(

Policy and solutions / Re: Electric cars
« on: January 22, 2020, 08:47:53 AM »
Thanks for the information GrauerMausling and for some context blumenkraft. I don't understand the whole thing but have read upthread about Nvidia graphics cards and they use up a lot of energy and are very expensive. I have also read upthread that Tesla uses ASICs which you say is too expensive and kidding.

I am surprised that, as you explained, the bottom-up approach is used without starting of with an integral whole-car-system-design. Aren't the engineers talking to each other?
They are probably overruled by a cost-cutting business-as-usual-approach economist/financial department. Just a layman's idea.

They could look at Formula E and Formula One and get some ideas without having to 're-invent the wheel'. I expect Mercedes to use that know-how for their benefit.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: January 21, 2020, 03:43:41 PM »
A very strong and beautiful talk by Greta Thunberg in Davos at the W.E.F. 2020 from today:


The rest / Re: Arctic Café
« on: January 21, 2020, 08:02:45 AM »
Hey Tom did you know this:

Mongoose are opportunistic feeders that will eat birds, small mammals, reptiles, insects, fruits, and plants. They prey on the eggs and hatchlings of native ground nesting birds and endangered sea turtles. The small Indian mongoose has been blamed with the extinction of ground-nesting birds in Jamaica and Fiji and commonly kill birds, including 8 federally listed endangered Hawaiian birds, such as the Hawaiian crow (‘alalā), petrels (ʻuʻau) and Hawaiian goose (nēnē). It was estimated in 1999 that mongoose cause $50 million in damages to Hawai`i and Puerto Rico annually.

Bad mongoose! ;)

   Climate refugees can't be returned home, says landmark UN human rights ruling
  by Kate Lyons

It is unlawful for governments to return people to countries where their lives might be threatened by the climate crisis, a landmark ruling by the United Nations human rights committee has found.

Tens of millions of people are expected to be displaced by global heating in the next decade.

While the judgment is not formally binding on countries, it points to legal obligations that countries have under international law.

“What’s really important here, and why it’s quite a landmark case, is that the committee recognised that without robust action on climate at some point in the future it could well be that governments will, under international human rights law, be prohibited from sending people to places where their life is at risk or where they would face inhuman or degrading treatment,” said Prof Jane McAdam, director of the Kaldor centre for international refugee law at the University of New South Wales.

“The Pacific Islands will be the canary in the coalmines for climate-induced migrants,” said Schuetze.

“The message in this case is clear: Pacific Island states don’t need to be underwater before triggering those human rights obligations … I think we will see those cases start to emerge.”

Consequences / Re: World of 2030
« on: January 20, 2020, 10:46:57 AM »
Yes thanks sidd. I expected something like that. But of course homeless people are not all the same.

Northern Netherlands:
Many tree branches already have quite developed leaf buds, as if expecting springtime soon.
A lot of bird sounds appeared in the past weeks which is a joy to behold for me after half a year of silence, sitting in the woods. They too may be welcoming spring and perhaps even start with an egg.

If freezing temperatures do arrive for a couple of days... the buds will die I expect and the birds may be in trouble with their eggs.
If freezing temperature don't arrive, the parasites and diseases won't get an annual die-off and get a big head start before spring season arrives.

Science / Re: 2020 Mauna Loa CO2 levels
« on: January 19, 2020, 06:42:05 PM »
Thank you Stephan. Since you are regularly updating several GHG readings, would it be possible to add a CO2e figure?
In that way we'll have the cumulative GHG effect updated. I know it depends on assumptions but you can put those in.

Antarctica / Re: Antarctic Icebergs
« on: January 19, 2020, 06:36:55 PM »
You have become good at this blumenkraft :)

Consequences / Re: World of 2030
« on: January 18, 2020, 05:47:08 PM »
Yes vegetables are lifeforms. It is no problem if you perform your biological functions in an eco-system kind of way in the civilisation culture. That means for me to eat organic and not more than I need and not throw away food.
It also means not mowing the grass.
I found out after I bought them for my new apartment, that potted plants are also a form of supremacy. It is insane that I have to give them water and that they are not in the Earth. I can't put them outside because they'll die. So I keep them and not buy any plants again.

Living without exercising supremacy over living nature is impossible/extremely difficult in our (rich country) civilisation culture. Perhaps if you would own some land you could do it but I doubt it and it's only for rich persons (land owners).
It is not so black and white as it seems and many times very difficult to find the best behaviour. I'd say the last couple of percent of culture-normal bad behaviour is OK if the other 95+% is covered. Try to copy me :)

Consequences / Re: Wildfires
« on: January 17, 2020, 05:35:50 PM »
I appreciate your feelings for the vulnerability of our young ones.

The Youth Journal is a nation-wide highly praised newsprogram for children and they wouldn't put anything inappropriate on for children.
I have to say though, that I think you underestimate children and I think it is important to tell the truth of the matter and not disneyfy it. Children can handle a lot if it is introduced and put in a clear context and shared with others.
The images I have seen on the Guardian are not too disturbing for children I think.

Abuse is something totally different in my understanding.

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: January 16, 2020, 07:44:21 AM »
Thank you guys. Nice of you. I have had contact with blumenkraft earlier about this. I know I'm quite different seeing my life choices, courage, independency and intelligence (I don't mean IQ).
Nice suggestions. I will do the quiz KiwiGriff posted later.

My doubts increase when I read from Florifulgurator's post that girls with Asperger syndrome are quite different from boys with the syndrome. As a scientist I think that means that it is not a clear diagnose, but that there are several deeper factors involved. These deep factors are more fundamental and need to be found to call the diagnose scientific.

Re: Stunted growth.

I recognize that. Because of traumatic experiences I stopped growing from age 11-16, not only because I didn't eat a lot. At age 16 I was 1m45 (4 ft 9") and still with a child's voice (I had the emotional make-up of an 11yo until I was 36).

Just like Greta, I am black-and-white when it comes to AGW-supporting bad behaviour and took radical measures to not have ANY bad behaviour anymore (starting with carbon footprint etc). I chose not to be a grown-up because of the bad and unnatural behaviour of the grown-up groupsystem when I recognized it. I know of no other people who made such life determining completely independent choices.
I am outside group behaviour and observe in Greta the same. I haven't seen that in any Asperger or Autistic people I have met in my life. Most of them fly into abstractions and miss a lot of non-verbal communication. I really think Greta has changed a lot in the past couple of years. I restarted my physical growing after I had found a life goal and friends.

Up until now I haven't recognized myself in all criteria (some of them apply to many high IQ people I think and don't signify a 'condition') and I'm very reluctant to push myself in it to have a label and belong to a group according to a non-scientific academic discipline. Did R.P. Feynman have Aspergers Syndrome? I recognize a lot of myself in him.
Perhaps I'm a condition all by itself ;).

Policy and solutions / Re: Electric cars
« on: January 15, 2020, 11:13:46 AM »
Not just institutionalised, also all pervasive commercial advertisements lying and 'public relations' lying.
I agree, despicable and some more superlatives.

Science / Re: The Science of Aerosols
« on: January 14, 2020, 07:09:41 AM »
A metaphor:


runaway (plural runaways)

   2. A vehicle (especially, a train) that is out of control.

That seems to describe civilisation to me.
'We' think we still have control but nobody is steering our train.
The tracks ahead are bending down because of increasing natural GHG sources, moving our train onto a increasingly declined track... 'Falling'

Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: January 10, 2020, 06:12:02 PM »
Davos 2020
  by Greta Thunberg et al

At Davos we will tell world leaders to abandon the fossil fuel economy

Young climate activists and school strikers from around the world will be present to put pressure on these leaders.

We demand that at this year’s forum, participants from all companies, banks, institutions and governments immediately halt all investments in fossil fuel exploration and extraction, immediately end all fossil fuel subsidies and immediately and completely divest from fossil fuels.

We don’t want these things done by 2050, 2030 or even 2021, we want this done now – as in right now.
since the 2015 Paris agreement, 33 major global banks have collectively poured $1.9tn (£1.5tn) into fossil fuels, according to Rainforest Action’s report. The IMF concluded that in 2017 alone, the world spent $5.2tn subsidising fossil fuels. This has to stop.
history has not shown the corporate world’s willingness to hold themselves accountable. So it falls on us, the children, to do that.
Our request to them is perhaps not so far-fetched considering that they say they understand and prioritise this emergency. Anything less than immediately ceasing these investments in the fossil fuel industry would be a betrayal of life itself. Today’s business as usual is turning into a crime against humanity.

"injun" comes from indian
You didn't intend it that way but I think it is offensive. "An honest [north american] indian"

Consequences / Re: Places becoming more livable
« on: January 09, 2020, 10:55:00 AM »
El Cid, anthropogenic biosphere collapse (and mass extinction of life) are happening without a high temperature rise. Civilisation is doing it by itself.
The +4°C GMST is a separate effect. It is from anthropogenic global warming i.e. civilisation is doing it.

I think you are deluded if you think Canada will improve. Wait until the forests start burning and dying. Wait until Canada has received millions of climate refugees. Could the Alberta tar sands burn? Where will Canada's food come from without ecosystem functions? Where will Canada's potable water come from once aquifers are empty? Glaciers are disappearing so no hydropower.

Consequences / Re: Places becoming more livable
« on: January 08, 2020, 05:23:14 PM »
How can any place on the surface of the Earth become 'more livable'?
Isn't that overlooking the elephant-on-fire in the room?

'more livable' could mean the new safe place that climate refugees are seeking. Where can climate refugees best go to?
Of course that depends on money and passport type

'more livable' could mean you have money to buy airco or a boat. Or food or potable water.

'more livable' only for the short term.

Is that what is meant by the title of this thread?: Short term solutions?

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