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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: January 29, 2021, 07:17:33 AM »
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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: January 29, 2021, 05:54:45 AM »
And this pretty much sums up the rest of my misspent youth--all local musicians that I grew up listening to and still do (those still alive)--big influences on Bobby Zimmerman...errr, Dylan, and Bonnie Raitt:
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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: January 29, 2021, 05:01:43 AM »
Thanks, nan.
This is something I sang with my highschool choir, among many other gospel songs:
This is something I sang with my highschool choir, among many other gospel songs:
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: January 18, 2021, 10:25:28 PM »
RR mentioned excess deaths. It strikes me that this measure is becoming less and less useful, given that the measures taken to avoid covid are all even more effective in suppressing seasonal flu. So probably the excess death number may be underestimating deaths from covid.
I guess as we get a clearer picture of how much deaths from flu have been avoided this season, we may be able to more accurately factor this into the estimates for excess deaths due to covid19
I guess as we get a clearer picture of how much deaths from flu have been avoided this season, we may be able to more accurately factor this into the estimates for excess deaths due to covid19
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Consequences / Re: Global recession, supply issues and other COVID-19 consequences
« on: January 16, 2021, 10:27:32 PM »
So, again, W is spreading dangerous lies about life-and-death issues on this forum.
At some point (like...already) it becomes the forums moral responsibility not to be party to the spreading of dangerous lives in the midst of a global pandemic, just as it does so well (usually) in keeping climate denialism off of its threads.
(Note also that his source does not have the best reputation in the publishing world--see this among other damning reviews cited from wiki:
At some point (like...already) it becomes the forums moral responsibility not to be party to the spreading of dangerous lives in the midst of a global pandemic, just as it does so well (usually) in keeping climate denialism off of its threads.
(Note also that his source does not have the best reputation in the publishing world--see this among other damning reviews cited from wiki:
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According to Allison and James Kaufman in the 2018 book Pseudoscience: The Conspiracy Against Science, "Frontiers has used an in-house journals management software that does not give reviewers the option to recommend the rejection of manuscripts" and that the "system is setup to make it almost impossible to reject papers".
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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: January 15, 2021, 12:07:48 AM »
US police three times as likely to use force against leftwing protesters, data finds
Law enforcement responses to more than 13,000 protests show a clear disparity in responses, new statistics show
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/13/us-police-use-of-force-protests-black-lives-matter-far-right
Law enforcement responses to more than 13,000 protests show a clear disparity in responses, new statistics show
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/13/us-police-use-of-force-protests-black-lives-matter-far-right
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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: January 12, 2021, 12:25:37 PM »
Just popping in to say--I think there is about to be a real civil war, anyway.
Trump is speaking from the Alamo today (actually, the little border town of Alamo, TX, not the actual location of the famous battle, but he and his followers aren't likely to make a distinction).
I can think of no 'better' setting from which to officially launch the civil war he has been hinting at through much of his presidency.
Remember when he told the Proud Boys to 'Stand back, and stand by'--that signaled to all his most violent followers that he would give a signal some day for them to take up arms and start a full on armed insurrection. The 6th was just a dress rehearsal, so to speak
Hoping that all (including what's left of our democracy) manage to survive the next few days
Trump is speaking from the Alamo today (actually, the little border town of Alamo, TX, not the actual location of the famous battle, but he and his followers aren't likely to make a distinction).
I can think of no 'better' setting from which to officially launch the civil war he has been hinting at through much of his presidency.
Remember when he told the Proud Boys to 'Stand back, and stand by'--that signaled to all his most violent followers that he would give a signal some day for them to take up arms and start a full on armed insurrection. The 6th was just a dress rehearsal, so to speak
Hoping that all (including what's left of our democracy) manage to survive the next few days
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: January 07, 2021, 12:23:03 AM »
Not sure if I can continue on with posters who openly supported the idiot that brought us to this sorry state. Probably signing off for a while at least, till TM and his ilk have changed their tune, pretending to be against violence but supporting the most violent elements in our society...
Best wishes to most of the others
Best wishes to most of the others
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Consequences / Re: Origins of COVID-19
« on: January 05, 2021, 06:17:09 PM »
Just going by the principle "Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence"
One article by two dudes who are at best at the outer margins of their fields and not active researchers does not raise to that standard.
But you've clearly already decided you know the absolute truth about this, so don't let me get in your way!
One article by two dudes who are at best at the outer margins of their fields and not active researchers does not raise to that standard.
But you've clearly already decided you know the absolute truth about this, so don't let me get in your way!
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Science / Re: Global Warming Would Stop Quickly After Emissions Go To Zero
« on: January 05, 2021, 03:40:32 AM »
Ken, that rosy estimate seems to be contradicted by these paragraphs form the same article:
Sooo, if stopping emissions would immediately stop warming, then slowing down emissions should at least somewhat slow down warming, right? But that hasn't happened.
And if the the intended meaning is that the minute we stop emitting GHGs, we will immediately return to pre-industrial temperatures and atmospheric ghg levels....well, that's just absurd on the face of it, given that 90 some percent of warming and a good portion of the CO2 went into the oceans, which will start 'giving back' said gasses and heat if we ever stop emitting GHGs.
This also seems to ignore multiple feedbacks that have already started and that also interact with (feedback on) each other in a way that is difficult to impossible to accurately model...but not likely to be pretty.
But of course I'm all for ending emissions as soon as possible. But we will have then figure out ways to re-sequester at least some of the CO2, etc, if we want anything like a livable climate any time soon.
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Parts of the world economy may have been on pause during 2020, dampening greenhouse gas emissions for a while. But that didn’t slow the overall buildup of atmospheric carbon dioxide, which reached its highest level in millions of years.
If anything, research during the year showed global warming is accelerating. Symptoms of the fever include off-the-charts heat waves on land and in the oceans, and a hyperactive and destructive Atlantic hurricane season.
And through November, the last year was on pace to end up as either the hottest, or second-hottest on record for the planet, almost 1 degree Celsius above pre-industrial times
Sooo, if stopping emissions would immediately stop warming, then slowing down emissions should at least somewhat slow down warming, right? But that hasn't happened.
And if the the intended meaning is that the minute we stop emitting GHGs, we will immediately return to pre-industrial temperatures and atmospheric ghg levels....well, that's just absurd on the face of it, given that 90 some percent of warming and a good portion of the CO2 went into the oceans, which will start 'giving back' said gasses and heat if we ever stop emitting GHGs.
This also seems to ignore multiple feedbacks that have already started and that also interact with (feedback on) each other in a way that is difficult to impossible to accurately model...but not likely to be pretty.
But of course I'm all for ending emissions as soon as possible. But we will have then figure out ways to re-sequester at least some of the CO2, etc, if we want anything like a livable climate any time soon.
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The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: December 31, 2020, 10:06:36 PM »
From a neighbor:
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I didn’t post last night. Lots I could say.
I’m waiting to watch the cameras so that I can see for myself what happened. I don’t need any synopsis or summary.
John Elders [MPD spokesperson/pathological liar] already out making statements that are false just like last time. He’s not just an officer. He is a Councilmember in New Hope. How many of you knew that?
It should not have taken another human life to make it any more clear. The police know that there is no consequence for this. There haven’t been yet. The main murderer in the Floyd case took 4 days to arrest, they let him out and he can go to another surrounding state for safety, they wanted to move the trial to St Cloud...the list goes on. Who was the first one to get time? Officer Noor. The first and last example they made out of anyone after how many murders?
The Mayor has made changes that haven’t improved anything a few times now. You can’t reform the police, hell you can’t even control them let alone reform them.
At what point are we going to get real here? Everyone should be mortified.
THEY JUST MADE USE OF FORCE CHANGES IN AUGUST! Here we are again. Can’t shoot at moving vehicles and must use the least amount of force possible. So unless they attempted to taze, pepper spray, CS gas, or rubber bullet him first, clearly they used the most amount of force possible by shooting this person in the head.
Innocent until proven guilty. The spin cycle already churned out a fake term, “felony traffic stop”. Narrative. It gives the impression that the person deserved it.
Read it for yourself for those that don’t know.
This is exactly why GFS is holding that corner down until after the trial.
We can’t keep pretending like nothing happened, put up a monument, and then throw flowers in front of it so “we can all move on”. That $20 was never counterfeit. They never corrected for that narrative either. They want the presence of doubt.
Something did happen. It happened again last night. Cops are not jury’s or judges. They just like to play all the roles. This sends a message to the public. They don’t care about the Chief. They don’t care about the Mayor. They don’t care about the Council.
They don’t respect the communities they serve.
They don’t respect the badge because; if they did, the good ones would speak out. If Kroll [head of police union, verifiable pos] is as dangerous as we all know them to be to the point where officers fear speaking out, what does that tell you? When an overwhelming majority of the “union” federation votes for the current leadership of Kroll, a known racist, what does that tell you? When you drive from Andover and Hugo everyday to terrorize people who don’t look like you at disproportionate numbers, what does that tell you?
The police may pass out bikes and toys but that doesn’t absolve them of these murders. They are out of control. I call them the uncheckables. Even being fired by the Chief means nothing. They get reinstated. They are like meteorologists. They can be completely wrong and still have a job.
If we have rules of engagement in war (and I’m a vet so I would know) how in the hell don’t we have them here? Cops want to go home at night? Of course they do. I wanted to come home after 14 months in the desert. But we sign up for the job and that’s the risk we take.
We don’t get to go around playing shoot em up because it’s better to shoot first and ask questions later in the name of getting to go home at night. That shit is cowardly and in the military would land you in Leavenworth and dishonorably discharged.
The history of policing is important. Those of you that don’t know it need to get educated on the topic. You would know why it can’t be reformed. You would know why we need community control. You would see how the original purpose for police is still being carried out in present day.
They had their scope reduced and 8 million moved to the department that will take ownership of the work and the positions to carry them out.
In 2018, 60.8 million was spent statewide on lawsuits because of police misconduct. It’s now a billion dollar problem. This is why we leave people to freeze in parks. We pay at the expense of human lives for these “mistakes” and misconduct.
So keep asking for more money for the department and see how much safer you are. Reallocate money where it counts: housing, economic development, environmental pollution mitigation, education, youth programming, and elder care. Watch how safe we can be.
Priorities. Right now state sanctioned murder is being normalized. What is it going to take? These officers are rogue. This is why the state and FBI are investigating them and the BCA has to come in because we can’t trust them to do anything but not respond to calls and kill people.
I don’t want to hear the what about the good cops argument. Let them speak for themselves and stand up. Yes, I remember the open letter. Where did that get us? And then Former Deputy Chief DC Knight tries to call it out and the Chief demoted him. What does that tell you? This is the same Chief who sued the city and won because he knows better than most the discrimination Black officers face and the double standards they are held to.
We can’t ignore this.
Mayor Jacob Frey
at what point are you going to get real? Phillipe Cunningham - Ward 4 Minneapolis City Council Member
what is the public safety committee going to do? Linea Palmisano
what about enterprise? Is this not an enterprise issue?
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The rest / Re: R's sudden, 100% insincere 'concern' about US debt
« on: December 31, 2020, 09:59:28 PM »
" Republicans were probably silent because Trump is a Republican"
As we say: "No sh!t, Sherlock"
Hence the title of the freakin' thread. and the many excellent comments and cartoons ridiculing their baldfaced insincerity about caring about this, or really about anything but their own raw power
As we say: "No sh!t, Sherlock"
Hence the title of the freakin' thread. and the many excellent comments and cartoons ridiculing their baldfaced insincerity about caring about this, or really about anything but their own raw power
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The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: December 31, 2020, 09:57:03 PM »
Still no bodycam footage today. The victim was a 23 year old Somali man. A vigil is planned, but also some late night protests. Conflicting witness accounts, so far, from what I've seen.
We need justice, but it would be nice to not have more opportunities for rightwing assholes to come into my neighborhood and, under the cover of righteous protests, burn much of it down again!
We need justice, but it would be nice to not have more opportunities for rightwing assholes to come into my neighborhood and, under the cover of righteous protests, burn much of it down again!
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Consequences / Re: Global recession, supply issues and other COVID-19 consequences
« on: December 31, 2020, 09:54:09 PM »
covid and the lockdowns are responsible for 0% of hunger and poverty.
it is blindingly obvious to anyone who doesn't have their eyes rigidly shut that poverty comes from people not having money. And people not having money is because other people have nearly all the money (and power).
I'm sure all posters who express great dismay about hunger and poverty will join me in calling for an immediate redistribution of wealth, so that the richest 1% no longer owns as much as, or more than, the entire middle class (not to mention everyone else!)
it is blindingly obvious to anyone who doesn't have their eyes rigidly shut that poverty comes from people not having money. And people not having money is because other people have nearly all the money (and power).
I'm sure all posters who express great dismay about hunger and poverty will join me in calling for an immediate redistribution of wealth, so that the richest 1% no longer owns as much as, or more than, the entire middle class (not to mention everyone else!)
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The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: December 31, 2020, 09:26:34 AM »
Cops in Minneapolis just shot someone dead not far from the George Floyd site. People are rightly suspicious of police around here, tho in this case witnesses do concur that the person who was shot opened fire on the police first. Still many questions unanswered at this point.
Crowds started to gather, but have now dispersed, as I understand it. Can hear a lot of helicopters from my house, which I assume are mostly police surveillance, tho some may have been news copters.
Police body camera footage is supposedly going to be released tomorrow. I hope we don't have too much disruption (looting, arson, etc), but I also do want cops to be accountable, of course.
Crowds started to gather, but have now dispersed, as I understand it. Can hear a lot of helicopters from my house, which I assume are mostly police surveillance, tho some may have been news copters.
Police body camera footage is supposedly going to be released tomorrow. I hope we don't have too much disruption (looting, arson, etc), but I also do want cops to be accountable, of course.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: December 28, 2020, 09:03:19 PM »
Since I do have some pretty severe allergies, I would have to see if one of the more recent or still-to-be-released vaccines avoid negative side affects associated with that population, or at least consult my doctor before taking it.
It is also not reassuring that there is so little transparency about the details of the deals that were cut with big pharma over this, and that it appears that they are off the hook for any law suits that arise from bad effects or deaths from their vaccines (but do correct me if I am mis-remembering this).
On the other point--it is rather obvious that no one died from or even suffered hunger because of covid. There is plenty of food (and plenty of money to buy food) around and available. People are suffering hunger because of obscene mal-distributions of wealth and food.
I'm sure that those here professing such concern for the poor will join me in calling for an immediate re-dstribution of wealth away from the 1% and to the 90% (and especially to the lowest 50%).
It is also not reassuring that there is so little transparency about the details of the deals that were cut with big pharma over this, and that it appears that they are off the hook for any law suits that arise from bad effects or deaths from their vaccines (but do correct me if I am mis-remembering this).
On the other point--it is rather obvious that no one died from or even suffered hunger because of covid. There is plenty of food (and plenty of money to buy food) around and available. People are suffering hunger because of obscene mal-distributions of wealth and food.
I'm sure that those here professing such concern for the poor will join me in calling for an immediate re-dstribution of wealth away from the 1% and to the 90% (and especially to the lowest 50%).
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The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: December 27, 2020, 05:29:38 PM »
This article is old, but it emphasizes how much evidence there is that much of the arson and violence in my neighborhood after the Floyd lynching was committed by rightwing a$$holes, trying (pretty successfully) to paint BLM and allies as violent. No evidence of any Antifa involvement in violence here that I've heard of, by the way.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/30/outsiders-extremists-are-among-those-fomenting-violence-in-twin-cities
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/30/outsiders-extremists-are-among-those-fomenting-violence-in-twin-cities
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The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: December 18, 2020, 02:22:37 AM »
Navajo proverb: You can't wake someone up who is only pretending to be asleep
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: December 07, 2020, 02:39:49 AM »
It's kinda sad. Neven would never accept someone posting a youtube of some random scientist from a field not related to climate who down played that crisis... of evidence of, well, anything--except what we already know: even 'scientists' can be idiots, especially when they start pontificating about stuff outside of their field. The guys a diet specialist, and that field barely qualifies as science, anyway.
Bring me the considered judgment of epidemiologist, and ideally organizations of epidemiologists, who say the thing this nitwit is saying, and then maybe I'll start to listen.
Why do some people's standards of evidence get thrown out the window, when they know form experience with climate denial that the opinions of any one random dude, even one with some random advanced degree, is basically worthless, especially when it so flagrantly goes against the considered judgment of people who actually know what they're talking about, against the overwhelming evidence, and against, well, just ... the obvious
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Meanwhile, Giuliani has just been admitted to the hospital with covid (and Barr, by the way, is reportedly considering resigning).
Bring me the considered judgment of epidemiologist, and ideally organizations of epidemiologists, who say the thing this nitwit is saying, and then maybe I'll start to listen.
Why do some people's standards of evidence get thrown out the window, when they know form experience with climate denial that the opinions of any one random dude, even one with some random advanced degree, is basically worthless, especially when it so flagrantly goes against the considered judgment of people who actually know what they're talking about, against the overwhelming evidence, and against, well, just ... the obvious
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Meanwhile, Giuliani has just been admitted to the hospital with covid (and Barr, by the way, is reportedly considering resigning).
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Consequences / Re: Global recession, supply issues and other COVID-19 consequences
« on: December 05, 2020, 11:07:00 PM »
And...it's not silly to equate the stock market with the entire economy, which is what you literally did?
If stock market = economy, which is what you said, then it should follow that if there is no stock market, then there is not economy...
I'm just trying to follow your (il-)logic to its (absurd) conclusion.
Please clarify, if I somehow am misunderstanding what your meaning of 'is' is here
If stock market = economy, which is what you said, then it should follow that if there is no stock market, then there is not economy...
I'm just trying to follow your (il-)logic to its (absurd) conclusion.
Please clarify, if I somehow am misunderstanding what your meaning of 'is' is here
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: December 05, 2020, 05:19:01 PM »
"Iowa Is What Happens When Government Does Nothing"
Good point, but Minnesota, also now with sky-rocketing death rates, is what happens when the state government does a lot but all of the surrounding states' governments do nothing (along with a good portion of the MN population, who continue to refuse to wear masks).
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/minnesota/
Good point, but Minnesota, also now with sky-rocketing death rates, is what happens when the state government does a lot but all of the surrounding states' governments do nothing (along with a good portion of the MN population, who continue to refuse to wear masks).
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/minnesota/
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Consequences / Re: Global recession, supply issues and other COVID-19 consequences
« on: December 05, 2020, 04:32:12 PM »
Soooo, before there was a stock market, there was no economy??
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Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: December 05, 2020, 03:21:37 PM »
SH, I agree. But of course the cornucopians point out that we're not just any species, and we clever apes will come up with some other solution (or stop gap) to further extend our run.
This is about the time some technocornies start talking about colonizing space, to which I can only face palm.
This is about the time some technocornies start talking about colonizing space, to which I can only face palm.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: December 02, 2020, 09:50:53 PM »
That seems kind of insane, given ample availability of already infected people, a supply that is not likely to dwindle greatly any time soon
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: November 24, 2020, 09:18:01 PM »
Yes, I've heard of these developments, too. I think partly is also not instantly intubating people who have low blood oxygen.
I think we may end up facing an agricultural/food crisis next year and in years to come.
In the US, and I assume elsewhere, the average age of farmers is somewhere north of 60, iirc. So most are in the high risk group. If we lose lots of farmers, will we be able to get crops planted, tended and harvested? The virus is now running rampant in the 'bread basket' areas like the Dakotas and much of the rest of the Midwest.
I think we may end up facing an agricultural/food crisis next year and in years to come.
In the US, and I assume elsewhere, the average age of farmers is somewhere north of 60, iirc. So most are in the high risk group. If we lose lots of farmers, will we be able to get crops planted, tended and harvested? The virus is now running rampant in the 'bread basket' areas like the Dakotas and much of the rest of the Midwest.
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: November 16, 2020, 11:32:19 PM »
I'm a bit confused by the claim from vox's article above that disinfecting products from the market is a major way to slow the spread.
It runs counter to pretty much everything else I've heard, for instance:
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/3/27/21195819/mail-groceries-takeout-packages-delivery-clean-sanitize-wipe-outside-coronavirus
Seven days ago from fda:
Has there been some new research on this, or something?
It runs counter to pretty much everything else I've heard, for instance:
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The US Food & Drug Administration’s (FDA) guidelines on food safety and coronavirus do not include the disinfecting of perishable and non-perishable grocery items. In a statement on March 24, Frank Yiannas, the FDA’s deputy commissioner for food policy and response, said,
“There is no evidence of human or animal food or food packaging being associated with transmission of the coronavirus that causes Covid-19.”
(The FDA notes that “it may be possible that a person can get Covid-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.”)
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/3/27/21195819/mail-groceries-takeout-packages-delivery-clean-sanitize-wipe-outside-coronavirus
Seven days ago from fda:
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Currently there is no evidence of food, food containers, or food packaging being associated with transmission of COVID-19
Has there been some new research on this, or something?
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: November 16, 2020, 02:38:01 AM »
Thanks for letting us know, dnem, and very glad that you seem to have come through it ok!
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: November 12, 2020, 07:55:52 PM »
I hope they all survive it without bad aftereffects.
Meanwhile, all should keep in mind that in the US, one out of every 900 African Americans have died of this. Basically, every Black person in the US knows at least one person who has not just had this, but has died of it. This is far above the average rate for Whites.
Given the inequities in our system, this was inevitable, showing how the system is set up on a essentially genocidal framework.
The Tasmanians were genocidally obliterated not so much by directly killing them, but from denying them adequate medical care and healthy food.
This is what has been going on in the US, and covid is just making the consequences more obvious, for those who care to look and to see
Meanwhile, all should keep in mind that in the US, one out of every 900 African Americans have died of this. Basically, every Black person in the US knows at least one person who has not just had this, but has died of it. This is far above the average rate for Whites.
Given the inequities in our system, this was inevitable, showing how the system is set up on a essentially genocidal framework.
The Tasmanians were genocidally obliterated not so much by directly killing them, but from denying them adequate medical care and healthy food.
This is what has been going on in the US, and covid is just making the consequences more obvious, for those who care to look and to see
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: November 10, 2020, 06:20:43 PM »
Tom, how much of the history of the last 70 or so years do you want to go over?
If you want, you can blame Kenedy, Johnson and Humphrey. They took huge political risks to their party to start to turn their party into one that supports civil rights rather than supporting the 'solid south' white dem machine.
This, along with Wallace's proven ability to exploit this new political power gap, prompted Nixon and crew to devise his 'southern strategy,' turning his party into the new locus of the nation's most intense racism. (Of course, pretty much all of US society has been rife with one sort of racism or another pretty much forever)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
That's the thumbnail sketch...the full history is much more complex.
If you want, you can blame Kenedy, Johnson and Humphrey. They took huge political risks to their party to start to turn their party into one that supports civil rights rather than supporting the 'solid south' white dem machine.
This, along with Wallace's proven ability to exploit this new political power gap, prompted Nixon and crew to devise his 'southern strategy,' turning his party into the new locus of the nation's most intense racism. (Of course, pretty much all of US society has been rife with one sort of racism or another pretty much forever)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
That's the thumbnail sketch...the full history is much more complex.
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The politics / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: November 08, 2020, 01:02:22 AM »
Does the secret service have to keep protecting him if he leaves the country...or if he is in jail ? 
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The politics / Re: Elections 2020 USA
« on: November 06, 2020, 09:40:19 AM »
Yes, with his speech last night, what some are calling the most dishonest in his presidency (which is saying a lot), the don when full out criminal.
Basically he sounds like a football team who is loosing in the second half, so insists that they won because they were briefly ahead in the first half.
It's such a blatantly fraudulent 'argument,' that I can't believe that even most of his supporters are buying it...but then...
Basically he sounds like a football team who is loosing in the second half, so insists that they won because they were briefly ahead in the first half.
It's such a blatantly fraudulent 'argument,' that I can't believe that even most of his supporters are buying it...but then...
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The rest / Re: What is your likeability?
« on: November 05, 2020, 07:21:10 AM »
KG, that post earned another 'like' from me! 
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: November 03, 2020, 09:16:27 PM »
I would be very interested in any proof that anyone who did any looting anywhere were actual, prominent activists openly associating themselves with 'antifa' or blm (though the latter, being a much broader group, would be less surprising to find, perhaps).
Either supply proof of such inflammatory claims, or please stop filling these threads with unfounded hate mongering claims...there's already enough of that in the world.
Thank you
Either supply proof of such inflammatory claims, or please stop filling these threads with unfounded hate mongering claims...there's already enough of that in the world.
Thank you
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 31, 2020, 11:57:01 AM »
I think you're wrong to say you're wrong!
At least, it's not an absolute. While most vaccines are not as effective as natural immunity, some are (and of course the vaccine comes at much lower risk to your health and life).
Note:
https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/immune-system-and-health
At least, it's not an absolute. While most vaccines are not as effective as natural immunity, some are (and of course the vaccine comes at much lower risk to your health and life).
Note:
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...a few vaccines induce a better immune response than natural infection:
• Human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine — The high purity of the specific protein in the vaccine leads to a better immune response than natural infection.
• Tetanus vaccine — The toxin made by tetanus is so potent that the amount that causes disease is actually lower than the amount that induces a long-lasting immune response. This is why people with tetanus disease are still recommended to get the vaccine.
• Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) vaccine — Children less than 2 years old do not typically make a good response to the complex sugar coating (polysaccharide) on the surface of Hib that causes disease; however, the vaccine links this polysaccharide to a helper protein that creates a better immune response than would occur naturally. Therefore, children less than 2 years old who get Hib are still recommended to get the vaccine.
• Pneumococcal vaccine — This vaccine works the same way as the Hib vaccine to create a better immune response than natural infection.
https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/immune-system-and-health
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 27, 2020, 02:44:36 AM »
This happened just a few blocks down from my house, and I knew from first hand and from many accounts from friends, neighbors and others, that much of the arson (and attempted arson) in my neighborhood was planned and carried out by rightwing hoodlums.
As time has gone on, this observation has been more and more, finally, confirmed in the major press, though probably too late to change the perceptions of many, especially on the right, that this was a case of people in my neighborhood basically deciding to burn our own neighborhood down.
‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest
Ivan Harrison Hunter, a Texas rightwing extremist, bragged about helping to set the fire then was seen shooting 13 rounds at the building
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd
As time has gone on, this observation has been more and more, finally, confirmed in the major press, though probably too late to change the perceptions of many, especially on the right, that this was a case of people in my neighborhood basically deciding to burn our own neighborhood down.
‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest
Ivan Harrison Hunter, a Texas rightwing extremist, bragged about helping to set the fire then was seen shooting 13 rounds at the building
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd
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A rightwing extremist boasted of driving from Texas to Minneapolis to help set fire to a police precinct during the George Floyd protests, federal prosecutors said.
US attorney Erica MacDonald said on Friday that she had charged Ivan Harrison Hunter, a 26-year-old Texas resident, with traveling across state lines to participate in a riot. The charges are the latest example of far-right extremists attempting to use violence to escalate national protests against police brutality into an uprising against the government, and even full civil war.
The case also reveals the extent of the coordination between violent members of the nascent far-right “Boogaloo Bois” movement operating in different cities across the country....
Hunter is the third alleged “Boogaloo Boi” to be charged in connection with protests in Minneapolis.
Across the country, the “Boogaloo” movement has been linked to more than two dozen arrests and at least five deaths this year, including the alleged plot to kidnap the Michigan governor, Gretchen Whitmer.
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 25, 2020, 05:11:41 PM »
How about all of the revolutions of 1989 (except the Romanian)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989
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The rest / Re: Good music
« on: October 24, 2020, 06:39:03 PM »The instrument in the first part that sounds a bit like a dying cow is a shehnai, an Indian double read, thought to have been developed for charming snakes. A review of the album it's on includes the phrase "not for everybody"
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 22, 2020, 07:36:14 PM »
There are anti-mask movements elsewhere. But no where else that I know of are they cheered on by the head of state.
So yeah, there's a lot of ignorance in the US. But to have the leader of the country encouraging it clearly puts a lot of the blame for it on him. (Not to mention the thousand other ways that the impotus has lead us to be NUMBER ONE in covid deaths...Making America Groan Again)
So yeah, there's a lot of ignorance in the US. But to have the leader of the country encouraging it clearly puts a lot of the blame for it on him. (Not to mention the thousand other ways that the impotus has lead us to be NUMBER ONE in covid deaths...Making America Groan Again)
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Arctic sea ice / Re: The 2020/2021 freezing season
« on: October 22, 2020, 04:40:50 PM »
(That's not a sentence that has ever been written before, I'm guessing! )
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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: October 21, 2020, 02:55:57 AM »
Thanks for this, vox. I was about to post it myself.
Note from the first article: " Deaths in people younger than 25 actually dropped slightly."
Think about this. Probably these were from reductions in auto accidents, a major cause of preventable death in the US.
Probably there were also reductions in deaths from this cause in other age brackets as well.
That means that there could well have been over 300,000 deaths from covid in the US, right?
Note from the first article: " Deaths in people younger than 25 actually dropped slightly."
Think about this. Probably these were from reductions in auto accidents, a major cause of preventable death in the US.
Probably there were also reductions in deaths from this cause in other age brackets as well.
That means that there could well have been over 300,000 deaths from covid in the US, right?
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Consequences / Re: Places becoming more livable
« on: October 19, 2020, 09:14:57 PM »
Yes, 'more livable' is of course rather subjective.
I live in Minnesota, and the people in the northern part of the state, that I've heard about, are worried because winters are getting warmer, so the many locations for skiing and similar outdoor winter sports are no longer reliably snowy. This has made it hard for many tourist businesses to make it.
Moose (another tourist draw) are disappearing, forests are dying of beetles and of lack of the cold necessary for their reproductive cycle, replacement with species from further south is a slow process...
I live in Minnesota, and the people in the northern part of the state, that I've heard about, are worried because winters are getting warmer, so the many locations for skiing and similar outdoor winter sports are no longer reliably snowy. This has made it hard for many tourist businesses to make it.
Moose (another tourist draw) are disappearing, forests are dying of beetles and of lack of the cold necessary for their reproductive cycle, replacement with species from further south is a slow process...
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Policy and solutions / Re: Biomass issues
« on: October 15, 2020, 05:17:09 PM »
"What does life itself mean? "
Individuals and cultures can and have come up with various answers (and non-answers) to this.
But the most powerful culture on the planet--industrialism--has definitely decided that the purpose of life is to be transformed into "products" (and services, and energy...) which fairly quickly become waste, often toxic...and into the profits that can be derived from said products (while pushing off to others the expenses and lethal consequences of the waste from the products and of the decimated ecosystems from which they were extracted).
Similar to the saying--you may not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you.
You may not know the meaning of life, but industry definitely has decided what the meaning of your life is to them, and really the meaning of all life
Individuals and cultures can and have come up with various answers (and non-answers) to this.
But the most powerful culture on the planet--industrialism--has definitely decided that the purpose of life is to be transformed into "products" (and services, and energy...) which fairly quickly become waste, often toxic...and into the profits that can be derived from said products (while pushing off to others the expenses and lethal consequences of the waste from the products and of the decimated ecosystems from which they were extracted).
Similar to the saying--you may not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you.
You may not know the meaning of life, but industry definitely has decided what the meaning of your life is to them, and really the meaning of all life
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Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: October 15, 2020, 04:42:51 PM »
During the Holocene Optimum about 8000 years ago, global temperatures were about what they are today, that is about one degree C above the immediate pre-industrial levels.
That was enough warming and drying (the typical pattern in the center of continents, as I understand) to push the delicate ecosystem of the Sand Hills over toward becoming moving sand dunes, basically turning the Great Plains into something resembling the more arid and desolate regions of the Sahara. This is covered in the first chapter of the book '6 Degrees'
It will probably take a while for this to happen again, and there are doubtless things that could be done to help stabilize the Sand Hills and slow down their degradation. But it is very likely that some time in the coming years or decades, the Great Plains will become more like The Great Desert.
That was enough warming and drying (the typical pattern in the center of continents, as I understand) to push the delicate ecosystem of the Sand Hills over toward becoming moving sand dunes, basically turning the Great Plains into something resembling the more arid and desolate regions of the Sahara. This is covered in the first chapter of the book '6 Degrees'
It will probably take a while for this to happen again, and there are doubtless things that could be done to help stabilize the Sand Hills and slow down their degradation. But it is very likely that some time in the coming years or decades, the Great Plains will become more like The Great Desert.
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Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: October 14, 2020, 08:07:52 PM »
"We did this"
Ummm, didn't we 'do' climate change as well.
And...how much do you know about the deep history of the Great Plains? Are you familiar with the Sand Hills, for example? And with what happened the last time the earth was at it's current 1C above ~19th century temperatures?
Ummm, didn't we 'do' climate change as well.
And...how much do you know about the deep history of the Great Plains? Are you familiar with the Sand Hills, for example? And with what happened the last time the earth was at it's current 1C above ~19th century temperatures?
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The rest / Re: George Floyd murder and blowback
« on: October 13, 2020, 06:29:06 PM »
For any who still think the people of Minneapolis burnt down their own city, note that out of the 21 arson defendants, only 1 is a Minneapolis resident. Almost all the rest are from the suburbs, out state or even out of state.
Matthew Lee Rupert had reportedly been arrested 44 times in his hometown of Galesburg, Ill.
“I’m going to Minneapolis tomorrow,” said Rupert, 28, in a Facebook post, hours before allegedly lighting a Minneapolis Sprint store on fire, looting a Home Depot and encouraging others to throw incendiaries at police during the riots. “Who coming. Only goons. I’m renting hotel rooms.”
https://www.twincities.com/2020/10/10/federal-charges-arson-george-floyd-protests-minneapolis-st-paul/
Matthew Lee Rupert had reportedly been arrested 44 times in his hometown of Galesburg, Ill.
“I’m going to Minneapolis tomorrow,” said Rupert, 28, in a Facebook post, hours before allegedly lighting a Minneapolis Sprint store on fire, looting a Home Depot and encouraging others to throw incendiaries at police during the riots. “Who coming. Only goons. I’m renting hotel rooms.”
https://www.twincities.com/2020/10/10/federal-charges-arson-george-floyd-protests-minneapolis-st-paul/
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Consequences / Re: Global recession, supply issues and other COVID-19 consequences
« on: October 12, 2020, 09:31:59 PM »
zerohedge is rated a LOW reliability, conspiracy/pseudoscience site. Why use that as a source for anything. If it is an actual story, you could probably find it from more reliable sites, and in doing so, you would not get the reputation as someone who posts a lot of things from pseudoscience sites on this very NON-pseudo-science site...
just sayin'
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/
just sayin'
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/
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Consequences / Re: Forests: An Endangered Resource
« on: October 12, 2020, 02:21:29 PM »This is my message to the western world – your civilisation is killing life on Earth
Nemonte Nenquimo
We Indigenous people are fighting to save the Amazon, but the whole planet is in trouble because you do not respect it
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/12/western-worldyour-civilisation-killing-life-on-earth-indigenous-amazon-planet
I might point out that even characterizing forests as 'resources' as the title of this thread does, is part of the Western mind set that reduces the natural world to stuff to use up and exploit
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 12, 2020, 02:35:41 AM »
Tom, aren't the words of your own Pope a bit more weighty that some church bulletin?
I'm wondering how such clear papal proclamations are being taken in by you and the folks of similar mind in your circle. Do you just blow off the Pope when he isn't saying something you want to hear?
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/11/17220108/pope-francis-catholics-conservative-abortion-gaudete-exsultate-twitter-church-apostolic-exhortation
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Pope Francis has released a new papal document in which he criticizes everything from the toxicity of social media to Catholics’ single-minded focus on abortion...
"Our defence of the innocent unborn, for example, needs to be clear, firm and passionate, for at stake is the dignity of a human life, which is always sacred and demands love for each person, regardless of his or her stage of development.
Equally sacred, however, are the lives of the poor, those already born, the destitute, the abandoned and the underprivileged, the vulnerable infirm and elderly exposed to covert euthanasia, the victims of human trafficking, new forms of slavery, and every form of rejection."
I'm wondering how such clear papal proclamations are being taken in by you and the folks of similar mind in your circle. Do you just blow off the Pope when he isn't saying something you want to hear?
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/11/17220108/pope-francis-catholics-conservative-abortion-gaudete-exsultate-twitter-church-apostolic-exhortation
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 06:33:08 PM »
False equivalence.
It's as if Tom, seeing a woman being abused by her husband for years, suddenly is outraged by violence when the wife finally starts fighting back once, and then claims 'Violence form the man is wrong; violence from the wife is wrong.'
I have already supplied you with plenty of evidence that the quantity if violence is overwhelmingly on the side of the right wing racists.
You choose to ignore the obvious even when it is presented directly in front of you (do you know, it is really quite easy to research these things yourself, if you are actually interested in knowing the truth, right?)
When I see a tad more authentic interest in seeing the truth, I will engage further.
It's as if Tom, seeing a woman being abused by her husband for years, suddenly is outraged by violence when the wife finally starts fighting back once, and then claims 'Violence form the man is wrong; violence from the wife is wrong.'
I have already supplied you with plenty of evidence that the quantity if violence is overwhelmingly on the side of the right wing racists.
You choose to ignore the obvious even when it is presented directly in front of you (do you know, it is really quite easy to research these things yourself, if you are actually interested in knowing the truth, right?)
When I see a tad more authentic interest in seeing the truth, I will engage further.
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The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 05:56:10 PM »
Sooo, if the vast amount of political violence is on the right (as the above links show), and you're against all violence, shouldn't you be spending the vast amount of your time here criticizing right wing violence? Not to mention the massive violence unleashed by the police. Most of these can be characterized as police riots, since they were the ones who escalated the violence massively.
And note (again and again and again) that at least some of the most visible violence (arson in particular) in George Floyd protests were instigated by the far right.
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etienne, as one living right in the middle of the main protests and riots in Minneapolis, I can say that you are spot on. It is well documented, and I saw with my own eyes, that well organized rightwing folks fomented much violence. But also, once it was clear that the cops had mostly abandoned the station and the area, local gangs and people just looking for free stuff (neither of which were part of the earlier protest, pretty much took over the area
And note (again and again and again) that at least some of the most visible violence (arson in particular) in George Floyd protests were instigated by the far right.
:::::::::::
etienne, as one living right in the middle of the main protests and riots in Minneapolis, I can say that you are spot on. It is well documented, and I saw with my own eyes, that well organized rightwing folks fomented much violence. But also, once it was clear that the cops had mostly abandoned the station and the area, local gangs and people just looking for free stuff (neither of which were part of the earlier protest, pretty much took over the area