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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 31, 2020, 03:39:34 PM »
My guardian planned to come here today but a person in his county was arrested for driving without grave cause, so I am on my own.
I am glad I have loads of rice...I think food shortages might be next.


Tom
Discouraging others from getting out and about is probably as important as staying inside yourself. I'm glad that at least one county in the States is apparently taking this seriously. :)


I don't know why you have a guardian, but I'm sure the last thing you want to be responsible for is your guardian or his family becoming infected.


Stay Isolated - Stay Healthy
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 31, 2020, 03:28:54 PM »
I've a dear friend that can't bear isolation, and she's afraid of being seen wearing a mask as she's of Chinese ethnicity and she's living in Florida.


She has no car, no money problems, is a very recent immigrant, and is the last person in the world that I'd expected to have such a problem with isolation or the fear of an attack.


I just recently found out about the paranoia side of things, but I've tried every approach I can think of to keep her indoors, or at least masked up.


Any suggestions or 1st hand experiences would be very much appreciated.
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 30, 2020, 04:34:13 AM »
Church in the age of COVID-19.  ;)


Race Your Engine
We need more communal wine


Honk in time with flashers
When's the intermission?


The FSM welcomes Automated Automotive Adoration!
Ramen
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 30, 2020, 03:31:34 AM »
Onward Christian Soldiers??


There is only one God that deserves your fealty, our worship, your devotion and your contributions.


May his noodly appendages slowly bring you to rapture.
Ramen
Terry


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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 29, 2020, 06:33:26 PM »
^^
Why in the hell would anyone ask Elon about the spread of CV19?


I'm willing to accept that he's simply uninformed or misinformed. If he isn't and he's been fighting to keep his enterprizes busy anyway, then he's a very evil person.
Terry


EDIT] my remarks were a response to Archi's post.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 28, 2020, 03:44:35 AM »
gandul


I'm at a loss when you write of the prejudice on this forum.
I've noted a few anti-Chinese, anti-Russian zealots that take unnecessary crude shots at cultures they know little or nothing about. Usually I or others try to take a swipe, then let it pass.


There is no prejudice in Bruce or his writing.


What else is there to say.
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 28, 2020, 12:29:45 AM »
Bruce
That's terrible news that you're reporting from Fresno.


Get back home and slam the gate behind you!
What's happening today in Italy and NYC will happen soon in Los Angeles, San Francisco & apparently Fresno.


I expected so much more from California.
Is CalTrans at least providing protective garments for their work crews? Those guys are going to be filling a lot of hospital beds. Beds that nurses, cashiers, drivers and other heros of these times might yet need.


The "Macho" mindset so prevalent in California is going to be the cause of much suffering. It's the meek that will win this round.


Toyota is ahead of the curve and has extended it's proactive plant closures that have been in place across all North America. Hopefully their (healthy) employees will be rested and ready when it's again safe to build great cars and mingle with the public.


Hope you got a good price for your precious porcine protein. ::)
Get Isolated, Stay Isolated & Stay in Touch.
Terry


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Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: March 27, 2020, 11:30:18 PM »
Neil


His papers have expired, he's broken quarantine or whatever safeguards that more than one country had put in place, and you're now responsible for transporting him halfway around the world.


If it should turn out that he's an asymptomatic carrier responsible for outbreaks in possibly 3 countries, what should his punishment be? What if there are multiple deaths following in his path?


Do you share criminal responsibility, and if not why not. Laws were evidently broken, some before he enlisted your aid and some under your direction.


Should he - and yourself be civilly responsible for any harm he may have caused? What's the life of a Jet Pilot worth - how about the life of an Argentinian Peon?


I understand your motivation and might have done the same, though I certainly wouldn't admit my culpability on the internet.
I hope of course that he's well and has never been responsible for anyone catching as much as a mild case of the sniffles. I also dare hope that before some other doting father contemplates "rescuing" a loved one, that he considers the damage that his compassionate act might cause.
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 27, 2020, 05:52:39 AM »
Terry,

No down side. I am now having to advise friends who have tested positive and who are running 102.5F fevers to bloody well get to the hospital.

There are vastly more people symptomatic in the US than the confirmed numbers show. The US is in the deep end of the muck. Trump brought the swamp to DC with him, and his swamp creatures are killing us.

Sam
Sam
It was the numbers coming out of NYC that shattered whatever preconceptions I'd had.
I hate to admit it but I don't remember where you're from. The perspective from a state which is locked down is probably very different than the view from an open state that hasn't taken much of a hit yet.


When I hear of Musk making great progress here or there I'm forced to remember that he'd be jailed here for the same actions. I don't expect much from Florida, Texas or Nevada - but California should be standing up, shutting him down, and fining him for every minute that he's putting people's lives in danger.
He's a multiheaded Typhoid Mary.


My friends locked up their shops because it was the right thing to do, and because they'd be in big trouble if they didn't. Pandemic Profiteer has a nice ring to it & it is alliterative.


If the US and Europe hope to survive this more or less intact they need to enforce national laws that can break the back of this, or similar diseases. One scofflaw that breaks ranks can ruin a multi Billion dollar quarantine.
The Americans have RICO Laws in place and a frankly terrifying history of asset seizure. I'm unsure if Europe or German law has anything similar.


Stay Isolated. Stay angry at those who negate your efforts.
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 27, 2020, 02:38:26 AM »
Sam


If you should overstate the danger that CV19 presents, then more people might choose to self isolate, avoid risks to themselves and others, and possibly lead longer, healthier lives.


What's the downside?


Perhaps the generations that grew up on Horror Flicks where crowds ran screaming from Godzilla, or where elderly alcoholics sped their motorhomes recklessly across Pahrumpian Deserts to escape emaciated Martian Marauders, now believe that the great unwashed will inevitably, and foolishly panic when faced with sobering news.


Politicians have come to fear that any 'leader' projecting a less than rosy outcome will lose his or her favoured position at the trough. Sycophants posing as "experts" repeat the party line lie so often that it's common knowledge that the millions of once projected dead have been transmuted into millions of asymptomatic, possibly infected, but nonetheless unaffected, workers. All eagerly chomping at the bit for the opportunity to return to the treadmill just in time for their Easter Holiday Vacation, and the Traditional Easter Dinners where relatives gather together in mass and give thanks to the Wise Incumbents who lead them so successfully during these trying times.


Terry


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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 26, 2020, 10:52:01 AM »
The involuntary DNR Do Not Resuscitate posts were interesting.
As a mid 70s male with ongoing breathing problems I'll make sure to sign a DNR before I'm hauled off.
I'd done so in the past and survived. This time it might save my bed and ventilator for someone more likely to benefit.
...........


When adding up the possible death counts, those unable to receive life saving interventions unrelated to CV19 need to be taken into account.
I've one friend already who isn't having her cancer treated as rapidly as would have been the case if the pandemic wasn't at our door.
.............


Wikipedia has decent articles on the Black Death & The Black Death in England that speculate on the effect on politics, religion and the economy.


Stay Isolated. Stay in Touch
Terry

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"Having some company will be worth the risk."
Bruce - I hope it doesn't come to that.


I was kept in isolation for 10 days in a Californian penal camp once and it was mind breaking.
Spending weeks at home with my sweety and my toys ain't too bad.


Don't risk your health - please.
Having a connection with you, and others on this forum makes self isolating so much easier.
Terry


Sorry if I'm sounding like some sort of frigging ass, but I don't want a dirge in Bruce's Memory to be posted on the damn good music thread.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 26, 2020, 12:52:39 AM »
Sam
We've been lucky in the past & may get lucky this time around.
All we can and should do as individuals is stay at home.


We're not being asked to defend Stalingrad, just to sit quietly at home.


Group meetings of 3 or more have been banned at McMasters University. A wise edict that precludes group activities of any kind.


Stay out of the Streets! Stay in Isolation. Stay in Touch.
Terry

Terry,

Thank you. I have been in total isolation for two weeks. I am planning a minimum of 12 more and can easily stay isolated for 40 weeks. My many friends are not so fortunate. Many are still having to work. Many are now out of work and do not know how they will survive financially. Safety for me is not my concern. My decades of experience will protect me. My worry is for the safety, health, and welfare of others, not just in my community and nation, but in the world. Alas, the world does not want to be helped. Neither apparently does my nation.

Sam
Sam
I think we both worry more for the plight of others than any discomfort that may fall our way.
I'm in my 2nd day of isolation after a 21 day isolation prior to a short jaunt outside with mask and gloves.
I suppose I could continue on indefinitely as long as water, power, and food are provided. We've a fairly stable safety net in Ontario and I don't imagine that any will fall through for lack of available funds.
I believe that rent and utilities will not need to be paid until sometime after the crisis, but that's not written in stone.


AFAIK no one I know personally is working. If they were I'd advise them to stop if their work isn't essential. My friend in Florida is teaching her classes from home on the internet & she is having a difficult time living without friends to interact with. She's only been in the States since the semester began and knows no one. She ate out once last week.
Another here in Ontario recently tested positive for breast cancer and now her treatment can't begin until the worst of this has past. She seems to be taking it in stride.


Our first duty to family and friends is to stay healthy, otherwise we're a burden to everyone and everything. My hope is that I'll be able to help a little once the worst has past.


Stay Isolated
We need your input
Terry

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Food insecurity may be closer than many believe.


In SW Ontario the wife has been ordering food online, making an appointment to pick it up, then phoning from their parking lot to have it delivered to her car.
Since today's lockdown the BB store has asked all to wait for confirmation before attempting a pickup.
Our order from 3 days ago was to have been ready for pickup today @1:00 PM - it's now 6PM and they still aren't ready. I suspect some minor glitch as they inaugurate their new system. If they should fail there are many other options open & we've plenty to sustain us for at least 10 days.


I don't imagine that this is anything but a minor glitch at a single store, but it does emphasize how dependent many of us are on a long chain of just in time deliveries.


Great thread Bruce, even for those of us unable or unwilling to make even minor adjustments.


Terry
OT - Vacuum packed dried mushrooms will store for a very long time & take nothing more than warm water to rehydrate. - cheap, tasty, compact and damn nutritious.


EDIT] - 7:10 PM
Store just E-Mailed to confirm that our pick-up is ready to go. Some items are not available but most is as ordered.
I won't continue unless a problem occurs.
Terry

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Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: March 25, 2020, 10:37:25 PM »
^^
Will organized religion see a resurgence in the time of CO19, or will religionists be seen as charlitans when they and their followers show no particular resistance to the virus?


This could be an important result no matter the outcome.
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 25, 2020, 01:15:00 AM »
Quick update here since many of you were very helpful and caring earlier - I have thankfully been given paid administrative leave for 2 weeks starting tomorrow after work (also due to Inslee's order). So now I will perform social distancing to my best abilities.
Wonderful news!!


Use the two weeks wisely by curling up with a favorite book, binge watching your favorite series, or painting landscapes from old photos. It doesn't really matter what you do as long as it's done from your residence.


You got a reprieve!
Don't waste it.
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 11:54:51 PM »
My previous information that Ontario would be shut down Wed. night was wrong.

Ontario and Quebec will lockdown for at least 14 days beginning tonight at midnight.

https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2020/03/23/ontario-and-quebec-order-closure-of-all-non-essential-businesses/
The excluded will be pharmacies, gas stations, grocery stores, and liquor stores - other exceptions will be posted.


Sorry if my disinformation caused problems, I was listening to the radio & misheard what was said.
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 11:17:36 PM »
Self isolated for 21 days + 1 day after <1hr out masked & gloved.


Yesterday's unusual snow has melted away.
Very little traffic today though pharmacies, food and gas stations remain open.
Schools remain closed. No signs of kids roaming the streets.
Cooked yesterday's mask for 1 hr. @ 170F to sanitize - at some time will do the same to those still hanging on the line.
Garbage is being collected.
An enforced lockdown is set to begin tomorrow night. - At least one source says the lockdown will start tonight at midnight?
Tomorrow morning's farmer's market is still on, I think. I can see the lot from here and will report.
Big Box grocery stores will fill orders and deliver to your car in their parking lot using phoned in credit card numbers for payment.
Pharmacy deliveries no longer require signatures, they ring at the door, drop the package, then wait down the hall to make sure the delivery was received.
No shortages of masks, gloves, goggles or hazmat suits experienced of expected in Ontario.
Can't tell if masks are being used from my perch - very few on the street in any case.
The US/Canadian border is closed.


Ventilators may become a problem even though Ontario had built up a stockpile after the SARS epidemic in 2003. American manufacturers have not filled orders from Canada, so I'm hoping that our earlier gift of ventilators to China will reap rewards. We apparently have enough to tide us over for another 2 weeks.
Time required once ventilation begins is between 2 and 3 weeks.


Anyone working at necessary jobs deserves our thanks and generous tips. - They are the heros!


Stay Home, Stay Healthy, Stay in Touch.
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 06:14:52 AM »
The US is now  #1 according to
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en


New York State now has more confirmed cases than Iran
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


Los Angeles, Alameda and Santa Clara lead in California - did you understand that much Mr. Musk?
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en


Will the US finally take some needed steps to save her recalcerent population from the schemers and scammers who insist on continuing BAU?


sidd
Put off your planned road trip. Please don't tempt fate.
Bruce
Isolate and save what you can without putting yourself and your loved ones at risk.


No one knows what next year will bring, and if you die this year you'll never find out. ::)
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 04:43:34 AM »
Sam


I wasn't inferring anything other than praise to you for pointing out the risks we face.


People are not running into the streets in panic. They deserve to know the truth no matter how ugly it may seem.


50 years ago doctors would hide the facts from terminal patients. I once had a doctor who couldn't bear to tell me I had cancer. I eventually straightened him out, but I fear that many of those with microphones are hesitant for fear of being accused of inciting a panic.


I was just sent this URL, and agree with the major points.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZaiDO87me4puBte-8VytcSRtpQ3PVpkK/view


Baking your masks for an hour at 70C to sanitize them was new to me.


Stay Isolated, Stay Healthy, Stay in Touch

Terry

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Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 24, 2020, 04:20:32 AM »
Crisis Profiteers are seldom well thought of once the crisis has past. I know that war profiteers faced a backlash in Canada that lasted well into the 1950s.


Any relying on the good will of the populace, or the voters, may find it easier to go into hiding than face the wrath of their neighbors - especially if those neighbors have lost a loved one.


Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 24, 2020, 02:22:59 AM »
^^
It puts a lie to the theory that all is well after 9 days, and that 14 day quarantines are maximally effective.
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 23, 2020, 08:53:15 PM »
Returned from my run with at least 2 months of vaping assured!


Vicks Vapo-Rub and Mentholatum used to be smeared under kids noses with the idea that it would trap the evil germs before they made it as far as the nasal passages - What the hell Bruce, we could do worse. 8)


The Ontario Premier was on the radio & I'll pass along some of what he was saying:


Masks, googles, and hazmat suits are not a problem for Ontario's healthcare system & won't become a problem going forward. The US halted all sales to us but Ontario manufacturers have filled the gap.


Most businesses will be locked down Wed night with very few exceptions.
Stay at home orders may be rigidly enforced depending on the public response.
Drivers licences, auto plate stickers, and health cards don't need to be renewed.


What I noticed on my first trip out of the house for >3 weeks:


I saw no one in the building coming or going.
Traffic was very light.
Snow Plows are running in the recent flurry.
Schools have been and will remain shut.
Babcock Wilcox was open with ~25% of the parking lot being full.
The large mall with theaters, a hockey rink and many stores and restaurants & retailers was closed tight.
Service stations and car dealerships were open, used car lots were closed.
Buses were running with very few riders.
<5% were wearing masks.
No businesses appeared open on Main St. still a retail hub in normal times.


Carole's laundry service just called to say that they've been forced to close Wed. Night. Carole hasn't done a load of laundry since we've been married. Hope she remembers how. :(


Our Premier is one of the infamous Ford Brothers, so his words don't necessarily carry a lot of weight.
Terry


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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 23, 2020, 06:14:06 PM »
Our schools are closed and many businesses are locked up. I'm about to mask and glove up and set off in search of vaping paraphernalia.


I'll report what I've seen.


Terry - first time out of the apartment since the 1st.

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 23, 2020, 01:30:00 AM »
Tom


The new Ohio laws can be found here:


https://www.scribd.com/document/452781877/Ohio-Stay-At-Home-Order


K-12 classes have been closed for a week already.


Most children won't become ill, but if asymptomatic they could become major sources of transmission. Following the tradition of having the grandparents serve as emergency babysitters would be disastrous.


WHO published a warning of the risks that exposed children present both to themselves and others.


Those in shuttered industries may not have problems staying home with young Johnny, but trusting a teen to stay home alone when his girlfriend is just a few backyards away, and her parents will be at work until 5 is too much to ask.


Lots of unchaperoned afternoon parties, perhaps an uptick in teenage pregnancy & STDs will follow?
I see no way around the unplanned consequences of partial shutdowns where portions of the workforce are expected to report for duty even as their state provided babysitting service, (K-12) is shuttered.
Terry


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Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 22, 2020, 11:26:21 PM »
A friend just phoned from his pizza restaurant in a mall in Hamilton. He was locking up when done with our conversation. He'd been open for less than a year.


Zero walklin customers today and no capacity to maintain his payroll. Everyone was terminated so that they could immediately apply for unemployment.


In 5 days his mall has gone from 184 businesses to 6 - now 5.


He closed his other location in Kitchener last Wed.


The Neapolitan Pizza he's been offering for a little over two years is new to the Canadian market.
They're wonderful when fresh but don't travel well.
Pizza as health food - who woulda thunk it.


This was his first attempt at business and he was doing well, if not spectacularly well. He expressed concern over his employees futures as well as his own. None of them have anything to fall back on, and he expects that his credit has been ruined. His 25 year old BMW is looking it's age & needs work.


He's young, healthy and bright as hell - but he put his heart into the business & his heart is broken. He expects to live with his sister. They've 2 youngsters and have use for a live in sitter.


We spent the best part of an hour online. I'd no idea what to say other than encouraging niceties. Platitudes that don't placate.
What do you say to someone who has called to say that they've lost their dream?


Calls like this are being made all over the world. Whenever you see a boarded up window someone's dream was crushed.


Sad Times
Terry

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Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: March 22, 2020, 10:33:14 PM »
^^
Thanks oren.


Idle fingers - and all that stuff
Terry

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Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: March 22, 2020, 09:18:40 PM »
Quote from: TerryM
In the mirror my hair is reminding me of the way I was wearing it in the 70's

I am very surprised by this. Your haircolour came back;D

Fun fact: My hair hasn't been cut since August 2018.

Back to thread topic.
Ouch!!
I began as a very light blond and began graying in my early 20's. Depending on the light I'd be seen as either gray or blond until well into my 50's - after that there were no doubts, I was gray.


I've never suffered the indignity of a bald, or even a thin patch, so when barbering became far too intimate, the length of my hair, which I've always worn longish, quickly grew (intended) to resemble the hair on the skinny kid whose likeness stares back from dog eared photos in aged albums that still exude a vaguely weedy odor.


When very long hair was a very new thing in Southern California I had two jobs that required very different hair styles.
By day I was a hard working, hard drinking, short haired truck driver that inhaled bennies until his eyes quivered. The transformation would begin early Friday evening, and by midnight I'd have become a very long haired commie pinko hippie that would shuck and jive in a psychedelically fueled patois as I strode to my weekend gig as a light show impresario. - no one allowed on the light stand without at least one full hit of Purple Owsley. Owsley himself showed up on one memorable occasion.


My partner at the time affected the name of "Creepin Jesus" principally because of his naturally grown locks. We spotted a pair of likely looking cowgirls as we sauntered towards the wrong side of town & allowed them to buy us a beer at the Dew Drop Inn, a local beer and blood emporium favored by cowboys sans horses.
There was a bar down the block for bikers without bikes, it was that kind of neighborhood.


We were diverted by the cowgirls lecherous attentions and didn't notice when their husbands stumbled through the back door.


They were outraged that hippies had defiled their watering hole. They were outraged that their wives were drinking with long haired sissies. They were outraged because it was Friday night at the Dew Drop Inn and they always got outraged on Friday night at the Dew Drop Inn.


One grabbed Creepin Jesus by the shirt and prepared to smack him with the long neck bottle of coors conveniently cupped in his other hand. His partner in outrage, and my immediate nemesis made a successful grab for my luxuriant locks, and as I ducked the world suddenly stopped rotating.


My blustering, beer besotted assailant suddenly faced a gangly short haired kid with pink curlers crossing his close cropped pate. The hank of lifeless hair hanging from his right hand was hard to dislodge though he shook it vigorously.  His jaw swung open, closed momentarily then dropped again just before an unseen right cross closed it at a strange angle.
His partner had been so distracted that, though he still held Creepin' J's shirt, he'd dropped his weapon and stood transfixed awaiting CJ's righteous response.


Well the barkeep mopped up the little blood that had leaked to the floor and returned my girlfriend's "fall". The cowgirls dabbed at their fallen hero's faces and swore they'd never again take up with dirty, faggy, drug addicted, commie pinko hippies.
Creepin Jesus and I left during the confusion and shuffled across town to Larry's Den of Iniquity, the site of the weekend's festivities. CJ was still trying to master his newly acquired platform shoes and I was preening in the wildest, widest bell bottoms I'd ever seen.


I still wonder what stories the cowboys tell of the night they inadvertently scalped a hippy.
Terry

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Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: March 22, 2020, 08:44:40 AM »



I'm surrounded by Amish/Mennonite communities with major feed stores close by. Neither Carole or I are capable of light chores or heavy cooking. I'm afraid that milling our own flour would be beyond us. An active 150 year old farmers market is but blocks away and they sell a variety of prepared food twice a week.
The Big Box grocery stores are experiencing hiccups, but a little flexibility irons things out.
The largest Canadian food transportation hub is local and my food concerns are principally for others. I do believe there will be shortages of familiar foods and that may take some getting used to.
Perhaps a food preparation thread for those staying in could be started?


The data coming principaly from New York has left me feeling that this will be bigger & last longer than my worst projections.


This begins day 21 of isolation and last night I began wondering about long term access to my vaping supplies. ::)
In the mirror my hair is reminding me of the way I was wearing it in the 70's & Carole frets over missing her hair, nail and facial appointments.
Frivolous stuff, but it takes our minds off more serious concerns.


Carole's daughter was operated on ahead of schedule in Las Vegas and no cancer was the verdict. I assume they're clearing the decks for the action that they know is coming. She's safely back home.


Mild depression, or perhaps anxiety continues to dog us. We're going to require unfamiliar diversions at some point. We each have hobbies that we haven't engaged in for decades. We've spent a huge amount of our time together, particularly since retirement and still get great enjoyment from each others companionship.


Christ!
Now I'm getting maudlin.


Stay Isolated - Beware large Cities - Stay in Touch
Bruce - Scratch a piggy's nose for me.
sidd - Don't spend too long on your journey, Home's where we need to be.
Terry

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Consequences / Re: Climate change, the ocean, agriculture, and FOOD
« on: March 22, 2020, 01:04:01 AM »
^^
Bruce
Some farmers around here sell produce on the honor system from unmanned kiosks with cigar boxes for change. I know it's small potatoes and a percentage will be stolen, but it's better than letting crops rot in the fields.
Some percentage of the thefts will be by people needing food - not criminals in the normal sense.
You've mentioned insurance problems when selling produce as well as meat. Would simply asking for donations (remotely) land you in trouble?


I know I'm grasping but I feel this is going to be much worse than I'd feared only days ago.


The huge fish market in Seattle has been devoid of customers for days. I can't imagine that there's a market for fresh fish anywhere. Hopefully there will be some kind of moratorium on repossession of fishing boats. (and farms)?


Stay Isolated - Stay Well - Stay in Touch
Terry

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Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 21, 2020, 04:57:51 PM »
There has been a rush to the safety of the American Dollar. This weekend my American Bucks are worth 1.43 Canadian Loonies.


A windfall for those of us living in Canada on American currency. 8)
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 21, 2020, 04:53:22 PM »
Thanks
Damnit
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 21, 2020, 04:44:14 PM »
If North America and Europe can't or won't take the measures that China, South Korea and possibly Japan have taken, I'd have to assume that those countries will be the economic leaders by the time CV19 is done with the rest of us.


The world won't shut down, but the advanced economies will be found in Asia.


It was probably happening anyway.
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 21, 2020, 10:50:42 AM »
Covid-19 might be a sickness of the cities. It's much easier to isolate in the countryside, or to get food safely if you have farmers around.
In much of the world rural areas aren't well served with hospitals.
This is certainly the case here in Canada, and it was much worse in both California and Nevada. I once spent a night in a small town hospital in central B.C. I was the only patient & they needed to call in a nurse to stay with me after business hours.


People have been actively being discouraged from hiding out from CV19 in rural settings specifically because the hospitals are so easily overwhelmed.


Stay Healthy!
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 21, 2020, 10:18:15 AM »
pietkuip
You may still have all of these options available, but why tempt fate?


Eating at home and limiting your time away from home is a very small sacrifice if it might save lives in your own family.


Wearing a mask when no one else is will keep others at bay, hopefully 4.5 meters from you.


You're understandably proud of your government, and the best way to prove that their strategy is working is by not becoming a statistic proving that more stringent measures really were required in Sweden.


Isolation is the only proven policy - It's also one that you can practice before being ordered to.
Stay Safe - Stay in Touch
Terry

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Consequences / Re: Global recession
« on: March 21, 2020, 06:39:59 AM »
The Global Recession is coming here, but faced with death and life altering disease it's small potatoes until we've broken the back of CV19.


Slowing the onset of CV19 is the only chance we have to come through this without being reduced to animals fighting for our next meal, our last breath. The kids dancing on the beach may return home and inherit their family wealth years earlier than expected. - if they survive until the paperwork has gone through.


Money spent on the education of kids who care so little for their own, or the lives of their families would have been better spent on blow and hookers. Change your will before their "vacation" is over.


Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 21, 2020, 05:32:13 AM »
Day 19
The wife does needed shopping ~twice/wk under the safest circumstances we can reasonably effect.

Others in our building have been isolating for as long or longer than I.

If any run into financial problems, others will certainly pitch in.
A limited number of new masks and gloves are being shared.

Access to the internet, TV, and other solitary forms of entertainment are essential to assist children and others during their isolation.

A huge thanks to all of those working in essencial jobs!
A huge FUCK YOU to those that risk everyone's life by ignoring CV19!
.....
nanning
I'm relieved that your finances are robust and hope you can reach out to some of your new neighbors to provide mutual assistance if the worst should occur.
My health and finances are both healthier than you've imagined. I haven't needed more than a cane for support for >15 years & my income is ~50/50 between government pensions and investments. If either one were to suddenly disappear it wouldn't have much effect on my lifestyle.

harpy
China has done much more for the rest of the world than anyone could have asked for. Would you have allowed your family to have been welded into their home in order to give Chinese, Indian, or other cultures a better chance in the coming months? I'm aware it wasn't 100% altruism, but we can't look any gift horse in the mouth.
AFAIK China and the chinese are the only ones that have been sending the US, and others substantial quantities of masks, suits, ventilators & other equipment that we're desperately in need of.


freegrass
Glad you're trying the order/pick-up option for shopping. Using credit cards over the internet/telephone for payment eliminates any chance of infection from cash or from the card reader.


We've never been faced with anything like this in the past. Our collective actions will determine our individual futures in the weeks and months ahead.
As a group we've been researching the relatively long term effects of AGW. Now we're faced with reacting to an almost instantaneous calamity that will certainly alter everyone's lives.


We've been one of the few groups consistently calling for sanity when faced with AGW.
We can do the same now by demanding that everyone stays home for the duration.


Stay Isolated. Stay Safe. Stay in Touch!
Terry

38
Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 20, 2020, 01:57:15 AM »
Ah well, Day 2 of self isolation for n weeks, where n is unknown and could will be toooo many.

<snipped>


A great start that may save your life - as well as the lives of many that you hold dear.


Stay Isolated!
Terry  n=17 18 days and counting.


edit]
Freegrass
Were losing some foods availability here in Ontario Canada. Still plenty to eat, just perhaps not the food you were planning for.


The wife picked up 5 boxes of Kleenex, but TP wasn't available.
15 surgical masks arrived today from Amazon - should last at least a month, and by then they'll all be ready for reuse.
TV sucks, but my internet bandwidth is limited.
I'm totally expendable, but I'd really like to see how this plays out. 8)


Stay Healthy - Stay the Fuck At Home!!
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 20, 2020, 01:49:34 AM »
Coronavirus: California Estimates 25.5 Million Residents — 56% of the State — Will Get Virus In Next 8 Weeks
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/03/19/coronavirus-california-estimates-25point5-million-residents-56percent-of-the-state-will-get-virus-in-next-8-weeks.html

California estimates that more than half of the state — 25.5 million people — will get the new coronavirus over the next eight weeks, according to a letter sent by Gov. Gavin Newsom to U.S. President Donald Trump.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/3.18.20-Letter-USNS-Mercy-Hospital-Ship.pdf

"In the last 24 hours, we had 126 new COVID-19 cases, a 21 percent increase. In some parts of our state, our case rate is doubling every four days," Newsom wrote in a letter dated Wednesday. Newsom asked Trump to dispatch the USNS Mercy Hospital Ship to the Port of Los Angeles through Sept. 1 to help with the influx of expected cases.
Thanks Elon
Some pictures of you shaking hands with and hugging your employees at Fremont would be good PR. Show them that you care.


Masks are for sissies and a chance to meet the whole board would do wonders for moral.


Because "they'll have a better chance of dying in traffic while they're driving home."
Terry


Hope the Corona Hatchback sells like a secondhand Edsel

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 20, 2020, 01:28:47 AM »
Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen several differing reports which say that under the right conditions Covid 19 can remain in the air between 30 minutes and 3 hours. Granted, it's probably far more contagious in droplets of moisture, but given how easily it appears to transmit it's certainly possible and everyone should take that into account until we know for sure.
So I guess going to the store, - where eventually everyone must go to buy food - is probably not a good idea without protection?
Some stores will pick your selections, bag your groceries and load them in your trunk without you needing to roll down your window.
Buy foods that need to be cooked.


It ain't perfect, but it is better.
Terry




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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 19, 2020, 11:27:53 PM »
Just got word that no matter what, the office will remain open. Unless someone dies in our office we will continue to work. Good to know where america's priories are.

I'm sitting at my desk like: guess I'll just die

Can you take mental health days off? Do Americans even get mental health days?
I see that there have been 3584 new cases in America, so far today, with no report in from Washington..

Nope...immediate job freeze and any leaving is considered "job abandonment." I'll be thankful I have a job and will just wait and see how many deaths end up occurring here.


J.H.CHRIST!
Do you have any union representation?


If you survive CV19 the stress you are experiencing will haunt you for the rest of your life.


Amazon and others are hiring - no job is worth the stress you are now going through.

Stay Healthy! Stay Healthy! Stay Healthy!
Terry

42
Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 19, 2020, 06:26:55 PM »
nanning
Your last post caused me to question some of my assumptions about your situation.


While minimal, is your income at least sustainable if circumstances should require you to remain totally unproductive for months on end?


Is your income such that you will have no difficulty purchasing whatever you need without requiring communal meals or crowded waiting lines?


If you should become bedridden, are caregivers available for you without resorting to hospitalization? Do you have friends available that can pick-up & deliver needed items, do the laundry, cook meals etc?


Is your income dependent on you showing up to receive it, or is it readily available by mail or online?


It's not too late to be thinking about the strength of your personal safety net and how any of the gaping holes might be patched over.
An exciting experiment in deliberately doing without could quickly become dangerous if a debilitating illness were to intervene.


I'm sure that healthcare and medicines are available to you at no personal cost, but being told to stay home can entail some expenses and some levels of care that may not have been considered. Another friend's only contact has been via a computer at his local library. Not an ideal situation under these circumstances.


Stay Healthy - Plan for the Worst - Stay in Touch
(& Avoid those Dogs, many will lick any exposed skin.)
Terry

43
Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 18, 2020, 11:27:43 PM »
17 days and counting.


I've been isolated since the 1st of the month when I attended a small dinner in an uncrowded restaurant. Food is delivered to the door or to the car. Maid services are suspended. No one has crossed our threshold since my blood testing on the 10th?


My step daughter in Las Vegas reports that even the slot machines at 7/11 have been unplugged. The hotels/casinos are ~empty (possibly available for excess patients?). She's due for a needed operation next week. :(


A step son in Seattle believes it's all a hype job to break the economy - he's 55, worth millions and misses the "night life". He's pissed that he can't get to Vancouver BC. ::)


My Chinese Prof. friend now in Florida worries about Carole and my health. Her father has been the ultimate authority on who enters the city of Jinan & says that the most heartbreaking cases were those that couldn't be admitted for medical care that had nothing to do with CV19. He fears that the US and Canada will soon be forced to make these decisions as hospitals fill with CV19 cases. :-\


Younger people are getting sick and dying. This won't end when we run out of Boomers. We're still waiting for a vaccine to HIV - and a bunch of other communicable diseases. A CV19 vaccine may never come. :(


Stay Healthy - Stay Isolated - Stay Friendly & Stay in Touch.
Everyone here is under stress, be kind to each other.
Terry


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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 18, 2020, 06:48:59 AM »
Guns and ammunition are flying off the shelves in the Excited States of America.

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/americans-rush-buy-firearms-covid-19-stokes-fears-unrest

Are they fearing that neighbors will steal their stash of toilet paper, or that marauding gangs will be sweeping through neighborhoods bent of robbing them of their remaining canned goods?
This is going to be bad, very bad, but I can't imagine that law and order will break down - or that hoards of heavily armed civilians are going to do anything to improve the situation.

I'd expect that with the bars remaining closed and most staying at home with their families that crimes of violence, or crimes of any kind, would bottom out.

Purchasing a weapon now seems like one of the least effective actions one could take.
Terry

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I agree that COVID-19's trajectory will decide the election.


I understand that in China they have/are using a system that oxygenates the blood independently of the patient's lungs. If this is real, successful and expensive as hell, it could be a way for the elite to save themselves from otherwise deadly outcomes.


Baring something similar we're going to lose a lot of very powerful old men. The chaos born from sudden large changes in leadership is not likely to go well, however the path that we have been on hasn't been leading us towards a rosy future anyway.


Interesting times we live in. :-\
Terry

46
Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 17, 2020, 08:56:40 AM »

Bad news for the youngsters!
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/not-just-seniors-french-doctors-report-50-icu-patients-under-60-years-old-netherlands-under
I'd mentioned these findings above but just relocated the article.
Terry


edit
nanning, your post reminds me of those from China just weeks ago. How many weeks before our regions are just as devoid of traffic?

47
Consequences / Re: Global Surface Air Temperatures
« on: March 17, 2020, 05:34:54 AM »
^^
+4C to +11.9C is a preposterous anomaly over China and Russia.
A very early melt leading to early albedo changes will exacerbate the problem.


If the aerosols are settling out and not being replaced due to COVID-19 we could well expect more of the same going forward. The weekly increases in CO2 from Mauna Loa are lower than normally would be expected, but the temperature extremes brought about by lower aerosol cooling could make this a very interesting season in the arctic.


Terry - Hoping I'm wrong. :(

48
Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 17, 2020, 02:02:55 AM »
We've done fairly well in the past at keeping our disagreements civil. Everyone is understandably on edge. We can and have done better.


I've found that wearing a mask and gloves keeps everyone at bay, surely not a bad outcome.


The "bus graph" showed everyone masked was OK. Otherwise those within 4.5 meters of the carrier were at risk.


Two of the Scandinavian countries report problems among the young. One reported 50% of the infected were under 60, the other reported the 50% line to be at 50 years. Bad news for the young!


We need more testing and more tracking, testing and isolating of those that have been exposed.


Stay isolated, stay healthy, stay in touch and stay friendly.
Terry

49
Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 16, 2020, 07:30:49 PM »
Health Care Ontario is setting up test centers away from ER sites. They aren't walkin clinics and appointments must be made.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/grand-river-hospital-coronavirus-clinic-away-from-er-1.5492566


On the 14th Ontario had 100 cases, this morning the 16th we're up to 179.
5 regional cases.
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en


All "Senior's" facilities have been closed.
My dentist is only accepting emergency cases.
Spring festivals, concerts are canceled.
The Ancient Mariners Canoe Club has shut down.
Mensa Ontario has cancelled all meetings.


One visitor at hospitals only & that one will be screened.
My friend Brian's memorial service has been cancelled.
Carol has ordered a box of masks - I'll report when and if they are delivered.


Carol and I have caught some kind of minor bug, but it doesn't appear to be COVID-19.
Television is amazingly trite & boring.


Stay isolated, Stay healthy, Stay in touch!
Terry

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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 13, 2020, 05:12:24 AM »

My phlebotomist came this morning to take blood samples. She wasn't masked or gloved and we were not prepared either. I think I'll insist on her being better equipped on her next visit.
Still, it's much better than waiting in line at a lab.

Terry


Do remember please the oral and nasal swabs detect the virus. Blood typically does not!  Fecal samples do confirm it as well.

Sam
My testing is unrelated to any concerns regarding the virus. A service comes once each month to draw blood.


I was totally paralyzed ~20 years ago, and while more or less cured I have relapses from time to time - the testing is supposed to provide a heads up.
I've had major respiratory problems ever since my diaphragm was first paralyzed. Any additional strain on the system will certainly do me in.
I imagine I'm among the first that they will refuse to treat, and rightly so. I'm probably less inclined to take risks with this virus than most.


Stay isolated, stay healthy, & stay in touch.
Terry

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