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Consequences / Re: Prepping for Collapse
« on: September 11, 2019, 05:38:10 PM »
Prepping for collapse is one approach. Working together to engineer a collapse that occurs more rapidly than the one we work to forestall is a better approach.
Could you expand on this? It sounds counter intuitive.
Thanks
Terry

BAU is driving us to collapse. Over the past 40 years, nothing has been done to derail us from behavior that is causing rapid increases in atmospheric CO2. This approaching collapse will be total; environmental, institutional, societal; an end to human civilization as we know it.

We need to engineer a collapse in the growth system that is driving us to the brink. This is simultaneously our only hope and terrifying. 2008 demonstrated just how fragile the worldwide financial system is. The engine that drives the system is consumers. Industry supplies what we demand. A fairly significant percentage of consumers need to decide to no longer participate in this dance with death, alter their consumption patterns to such an extent as to bring down the entire financial edifice, disaster capitalism if you will with the sole purpose of reinventing how we live.

I sometimes feel as if I am living in the Matrix movie.

In some respects, the sooner collapse happens, the less destruction we will have wrought and the more resources will remain to transition to.... something else. It's a horrible thing to contemplate. Very interesting discussion going on.

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Arctic sea ice / Re: When will the Arctic Go Ice Free?
« on: July 23, 2019, 07:27:57 PM »
I also think Sam's numbered comments has it about right.

We know something about parts of the Arctic that are largely ice-free which used to be mostly ice-covered (e.g., Bering being ice-free almost year-round a couple years, or Beaufort seasonally).  Areas that are far removed from the current perennially ice-covered areas give us some clues as to what will happen in the central CAB when it becomes seasonally ice-free.  The water heating up in some areas has virtually no interaction with late-season ice, for example, so we have some actual data.  Sea water looses a great deal of heat during the Arctic winter; there may be some year-to-year 'memory', but not a lot of it (yet).  Delayed freezing causes a little less ice growth, but charts show that thicker ice is the bigger damper on further ice growth, not time.

So far, we have not observed the total destruction of the halocline (maybe some?) anywhere.  Therefore, I would not expect its destruction after the first BOE.  At some point, yes, but not right away.

North Greenland will still be ice-covered after the first several (hundred) BOEs.  Will it have a damping affect on the Arctic that will make some types of changes less extreme?

I contend the climate disasters humanity is experiencing are AGW-caused, and they will get worse as CO2e increases.  Reduced Arctic ice cover (both area percentage and days/year ice-free), increased ocean acidification, and land use/abuse (deforestation, rice paddies, etc.) are among other elements that will amplify CO2e-caused climate disruption.  The first BOE (by any definition) will not be a trigger for any global transition, unless, maybe, the first BOE occurs in July (giving 3-months of new conditions, but even then, the BO event won't be the trigger, but the 3 months of added heat or open water will be).  The transitions are happening before our eyes and are coming faster and faster.  A BOE, just like 400 ppm CO2, is a statistic that points towards the Hell we are creating.

Agreed and +1 on Sam's list. Much of the specifics discussed here are beyond my understanding but, as a generalist who dabbles on the fringes on a lot of different fields of science, I can see that the trend is bad, bad, bad. The BOE event is just that, a line that we will cross and, most likely, sooner than models have predicted.

Nobody really knows what will happen once the BOE line is crossed. We are certain we're entering a climate homo sapiens have never experienced and most certainly didn't evolve under. It is most unfortunate that we will drag the rest of life on Earth through the gates of hell with us. One can say this is hysterical, but it is no less true.

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The rest / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: December 10, 2018, 06:00:47 PM »
Running on a platform of Trump is bad has been the fallback since 2016. Do we continue with this flailing, if not failing program, or hit Trump (and the Republicans) where they're really vulnerable.


Universal Healthcare, costs of Education, the Environment, Reproductive rights, I think they're all more popular than trying to convince the voters that our politicians aren't as crooked as your politicians. - besides, I'm not entirely convinced that the later is true. :-[


Terry
+1

Time for the Democrats to move away from "groups" (minorities, LGBTQ, women, etc.) and start touting a policy that benefits the biggest group (which, by the way, encompasses the majority of the other groups): the 99 percent. Dems continue to splinter thier own party with groupings where one does not relate/share the ideals of the other and it is hurting us all. Create a policy where everyone has access to affordable healthcare. Everyone has access to education. Everyone has access to fair representation devoid of financial contribution. Everyone has access to a livable climate. Stop telling me you're not Trump and create policy that the public is demanding (healthcare) and that benefits society as a whole (education/trade skills, environmental/climate protection). Stop sucking (gulping) at the corporate teat and do the hard work.

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Consequences / Re: Hurricane season 2018
« on: September 20, 2018, 05:45:55 PM »
More technical data from the most powerful man in the world:
I'm embarrassed every time he opens his mouth or twitter account. Truly cringe worthy.

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