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Consequences / Re: Origins of COVID-19
« on: January 05, 2021, 07:06:52 AM »
For John Palmer and Harpy, please stop publishing BS about the virus origin. I know it would be reassuring if it was produced by humans, because it would means that with a better control of humans, we would be on the safe side, that we don't need to change our way of life.

Pandemic viruses are a normal evolution, because mutations happens all the times, but most of the mutations can be controlled directly by our body, some can be controlled by our health care system, and once in a while, like every 100 years, probably even less, there is one mutation that just can't be stopped.

Our globalization makes it worse because we mix our populations constantly, if the plague took years to go to most part of the world, few weeks were enough for the Covid19. Furthermore, using each piece of land available on earth is like searching for forgotten viruses.

Until Covid19, we have been very lucky that other viruses like Ebola didn't go all over the world.

The forum / Re: Arctic Sea Ice Forum Humor
« on: December 31, 2020, 09:07:32 PM »
Technology was more often the problem than the solution. We are always dealing with Jevons' paradox, it's hard to make it better without making it worse.   

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: December 29, 2020, 08:46:32 PM »
We had a funny political event in Luxembourg. The law imposing the lockdown was signed in Biarritz.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: November 15, 2020, 06:23:52 PM »
Just for fun for the french understanding people.
One of my sons is for the second time on quarantine since Nov. 1st.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 08:19:34 PM »
Actually I expect most of the violence is neither Left or Right...not political at all.
I's drug lords fighting each other, muggings, assaults...mostly done for reasons not having anything to do with politics.
And the violence, while it has been rising the last couple years, is nothing like it was in the ACW, or in Europe in the World Wars. The scary thing is worrying about it getting that bad again.
Maybe you're right, but political violence is something specific because it targets people who are totally innocent, and is done in order to gain power. It destroys democracy, and once the violent one is installed, it is quite difficult to get him out.

The violence of criminal organizations is something that a democratic society should be able to control, even if it is not always easy.

I'm living in Europe, so I can't testify about what's happening in the US, but in the news over here, we only see political violence  coming from the alt-right, excepted sometimes people reacting to planned provocations.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 11, 2020, 03:53:48 PM »
How do the riots that occurred after the George Floyd murder fit into this?
I would say that most riots occur when people are angry, demonstrate and loose control. Nothing to do with any alt-right or left.

On the other side of the road during the George Floyd riots, it seems like the alt-right was well organized. The main problem with riots is how they are used by organized groups to gain power and influence, this is why I believe that non violence is the only way out, and it is required if you want to be heard by all the people who don't really care.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 10:10:10 AM »
The problem is not the immigrant, it's the boss. So the issue is not to stop immigration but to get reasonable wages for the workers.
An Alt Right solution will only provide even more power to the boss who probably as connections with these groups, a Martin Luther King Jr solution could bring real solutions.
It's a hard way to go, and I guess what we all can do is, as much as possible, to buy local, organic and fair trade.
When you buy products of major corporations, you know where the money goes. With local, organic or fair trade products, you may hope that it helps where it is most needed.

The politics / Re: The Alt Right
« on: October 10, 2020, 09:51:17 AM »
Maybe you already heard this "poem" :


    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

This really is the issue, I think everybody has some tendency to find the differences annoying, and it is what the Alt-Right type of group use to convince more people to follow them, to pull on a string and slowly transform people's view of the wold. If you would directly see the final picture, you would be so choked, but with a lot of work and of time, most people can change their point of view, or think that the goal is more important than the way to get there.

Unfortunately, politics is only about the way to get there, because the goal is the same for everybody, to bring health and happiness to everybody living on a limited territory (USAID promoting development abroad is also about providing a peaceful world for the USA, and about providing markets for US products).

So it is very important to protect the difference.

Looking at the fruits of a politician is way more important than to listen to what he says. The way is the goal.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: October 04, 2020, 09:04:37 PM »

Money vs. physics: who will win?

Physics wins at the end. But it could take a long time.

I really think that peak oil is real, that conventional oil peaked before 2010, and that non conventional oil needs high prices to be an alternative. So I wonder what will happen after Covid ? Will we have bankrupted oil companies and a restarting economy that would make a huge increase in oil prices ? Unfortunately, increasing production takes time so economy could only crash again.

Energy transition is also a way to get out of that game.

I guess we all know a little bit more about  exponential growth now that Covid has come to explain it to  us. Economical growth is also an exponential growth, around 2% per year, and here also physics will win.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 24, 2020, 06:49:08 PM »
To come back to the EROEI of tool production, two important points have to be considered. The first one is that tools and machines used to require much less metal than they do now. A train built in 1900 was mainly made of wood, a car or a pickup truck built before WWII was not only much lighter, but also contained much less embedded energy. So the energy used to build a modern tool might have nothing to do with the energy required to produce such a tool.

The second point I want to say is that when steel was produced for a scythe in 1700, the energy came mainly from wood, and it was so until humanity learned to produce coke in order to feed the steel production system. So the question was not if the scythe could produce enough food kWh to cover its production kWh, but if it was a useful way to use steel which was in very limited supply. EROEI only makes sense when we talk about energy production in the context of an industrialized world were food is not energy, but a commodity, and were energy is in oversupply. We talk about it now because we feel that we should limit our energy consumption, not because we have to. If we think back at a traditional farming context, energy was limited and the question was not yet if some uses made sense, but if they were possible. Maybe the scythe didn't produce as much energy as it was required to produce it, but the ax did it and it kept in balance the energy system.

added :
So, I find Bruce's question very good, but wouldn't use the EROEI to try to find an answer, but rather check how much energy is required to produce food and check if, in a renewable world, we can get as much energy for our food production. The question could also be how much energy we need to save in order to be fully renewable and able to produce the food we need.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: September 20, 2020, 11:06:23 AM »
It was a normal office, just that we were working mainly for renewable energies and the boss was very ecological.
I didn't take care of the worms, but the system was organized so that liquids could come out, these are also good as fertilizers. It was very simple and should be easy to produce with different sizes of plastic buckets and lids. You have to search a little bit on internet, there was also a special process to get all the worms in the upper part when the compost had to be emptied, but like I just said, I didn't take care of it.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: September 19, 2020, 08:25:30 PM »
I worked for a year and a half in an office with a worm compost and it worked fine. When there was not enough food for them, they received some cardboard.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: September 19, 2020, 06:55:37 PM »
Hi Manning,
I have in fact 2 times the 1qm compost. One that I fill, and one that rests.  When the filling compost is full, I empty the resting compost and refill it with the filling compost making sure that everything is well mixed.
That's the theory, but most of the time I use the resting compost before the other one in full. With the vole, I mixed the filling compost before it was full because I wanted to check if it would be living in the compost.
For your situation, you should try Worm Composting. It works very well inside, doesn't smell. I didn't find any webpage in english with picture. Here is one in french . You have to look for lombricompost if you want more, even videos.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 15, 2020, 07:03:59 AM »
Hello Ralfy,

I think I found the problem in your logic :

Given all that, what type of planning will be needed? It has to be, as one study pointed out, socialist, and on a global scale, involving at least 143 countries. Some experts in energy add that it will have to start immediately, with large amounts of investments transferred to renewable energy. Some experts in fields connected to climate change argue that all of the oil underground has to stay underground, that 400 ppm is beyond tipping point, and that something like more than half of economic activity in general has to end, with what remains focusing only on basic needs.

Communism was killed by Stalin, and Social Democracy died when the cold war ended in 1989. Once the USSR disappeared, there was no reason anymore for large companies to be afraid of a "socialist" revolution.

Even the US left wings movements are not real socialists and respect private property and the general capitalistic organization. You also do because you talked for example about debt that has be repaid which would be problematic for the oil companies.

In the limit of growth, the concept is not to go up and stay there, but to go back down on a sustainable level, by choice or by fate. Unfortunately choice doesn't seem to work. In fact it is everyday more about consuming everything and having afterwards no more resources to continue a "normal" living.

Massive industrialization will not happen, it is just impossible because growth is limited by resources, and what the US use per capita is just not available, it even seems not to be available anymore for parts of the US population.

Renewable energy transition is for me the concept that we should go back as fast as possible to a sustainable level of energy (and other resources as well) consumption. You say it yourself, we need 131 years for the transition, but our oil consumption is only sustainable for something like 5 to 25 years, so we are in deep **** and I see a reduction of consumption as the only way out.

Reducing consumption means economical crisis, so we are in deep **** again.

Added : renewable energies makes it possible to have a higher sustainable living, so they are very important for me. Reducing consumption makes more money available, and using it to develop renewable energy is the best thing that we can do right now, but the lifespan of the equipment is an issue.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 13, 2020, 08:08:27 AM »
Hello Ralfy,

I don't know how to say it, but I feel that you are locked in ideas of the "old normal". You refer to Ugo Bardi, which means that you have a good understanding of the situation, but here is a quote out of his blog :
Then, of course, all what I said up to now will turn out to be wrong if we see the famed "recovery." Most people seem to think that once we have a vaccine for the dreaded little monster, everything will return to normal in the best of worlds. But that's questionable, to say the least. Someone who understands that there won't be a "normal" anymore is Charles Hugh Smith of the "Of two minds" blog. Below, let me report an excerpt from one of his recent posts where, among other things, you can find an excellent illustration of how the Seneca Effect works.
The situation has changed so much with the Covid19 that I feel that we have to "wait and see", that the rules that have been good since the industrial revolution might not work anymore.

Here is another quote of the same person about predicting the future :
1. Always trust thermodynamics
2. Always mistrust claims of marvelous new technologies
3. Always remember that the system has unpredictable tipping points

I think that right now, the 3rd point is the most important. Have any tipping points been reached with Covid 19 ? I'm sure, but I don't know which ones, I guess nobody knows.

"Wait and see" doesn't mean sitting in a chair watching television, it means that when acting, you should keep in mind that planning right now is impossible, and that could be one of the reason why recovery might be so difficult this time. 

It means that short term has become much more important for companies, but long term also became much more important, because if you chose the wrong business, there will be no way to keep it running.

I have no answers, only questions, and I am very worried.



Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 12, 2020, 10:49:55 AM »
Every energy is interchangeable, but the problem is hat fossil fuels are at such a high percentage, for sure in Luxembourg. So reducing consumption is a need.

The data come from here

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 08, 2020, 07:36:29 PM »
The house owners are in general richer than renters, and these richer people now also get money from the taxpayer to buy and install solar panels, and to insulate their houses. More wealth and independency. And more consumption. All those products need to be made and transported: Higher carbon footprint.
Well, here it is the same, but I thought it was a money saving trick. To provide great subsidies that require so much administrative work that it only make sense if you do 3 or 4 things (windows, insulation, heating, ventilation...), so most people don't ask them. I never got any subsidies for my house because I was too early or too late with the products I used.
40 years ago, my grand-mother got subsidies on new windows, some guy came and check and since the old ones were very old, it was ok. Nowadays you need an engineering team to fill the required forms.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 08, 2020, 08:31:02 AM »
I don't think that Nanning needs an e-bike, I think he needs space. If you  don't have space, you just can't start anything. I lived 15 years in a small townhouse with a garden of 7,5x8 meters. It was just enough to put a tree, some grass and a few chairs. My wife reads a lot about people trying to produce all the food they eat, and one of these moved from Germany to Sweden because in Germany, nature would just be the most expensive thing. If the ground is cheap, it is covered with windmills, and if it is expensive you just can't afford it.
My townhouse was very efficient regarding energy consumption (built in 1998, and I only used 1000 liters equivalent heating oil per year for heating and warm water, 2 adults, 2 kids), but there was not enough place  for gardening, for food processing, for renewable excepted PV on the roof (5x7.5 meters with 2 Velux window for the sunny side), no space to start a business if it would be required... It was just what we needed at that time, but now that the kids are teens, we are so happy that we have more space. The house had about 180 sq meters all inclusive (garage, heating room, bathrooms, entrance hall, sleeping rooms...). What I would call "technical rooms" (garage, heating, washing, storage...) took about 40 sq meters, bathrooms took about 20 sq meters, entrance + stairs was about 25 sq meters, sleeping rooms took about 45 sq meters, and the kitchen with the living room (one big room) was about 55 sq meters. It is a great house, many people have much worse living places here in Luxembourg, but it is just too small if you want to start producing things yourself and need some space for the others to live normally. We had only 2 tables, one for the kitchen and one for the computer.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 07, 2020, 07:18:44 PM »
Roof solar on industrial buildings remains the best concept. The problem is that if it has not been planned from the beginning, the structure of the building could be too weak.

Solar farms are ok if you have areas that are just good for extensive agriculture, where sheep can eat the grass. I am not so convinced of removing land of agricultural use to produce energy.

There are many places where roof solar would be possible, like highways, railroads... The original investment might be higher, but the structure will be there for more than one generation of solar panels. Maybe we will see soon solar panels integrated in nets that could just be hanged over public infrastructure, it could even increase safety by providing solar/wind/rain protection.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 07, 2020, 11:00:20 AM »
The link between entropy and climate change is not straightforward, that's sure, but the fact is that fossil fuels are always somehow burned, which means an important increase of entropy. When you transform sunlight in electricity, you reduce entropy (we are not in a closed system if you only consider the earth),  but if the result of that entropy reduction is used to heat the jacuzzi, it doesn't help in any way to limit climate change, it's just a neutral game. Burning wood is also a neutral game.

A neutral game is much better than a loosing one, but we have to keep in mind that while some people heat their jacuzzi with solar panels, other are cooking or working with electricity produced burning coal or gas power-plants.

I'm the first one to recognize that I'm not perfect, that I also use a lot of energy just for fun, but I think that it is important to understand that the "just for fun" also has an impact on climate even if it is fully renewable. This will be the case as long as almost all used energy is not renewable.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 07, 2020, 09:29:03 AM »
Jevons paradox is very important to our predicament, but the second link with the entropy stuff is irrelevant.
Hi Oren,

I don't agree that entropy is irrelevant. Many people believe that if they use "green" energy, they can waste it. An electrical SUV is still an SUV, and in most contexts more than what people need to move around. And it does change something regarding climate change if you use your PV electricity to heat with a heat pump or with a normal electrical heater. People shouldn't believe that their jacuzzi doesn't matter because it is heated with PV pannels.

Policy and solutions / Re: Renewable Energy Transition and Consumption
« on: September 06, 2020, 09:47:40 PM »
I just want to share two interesting links
At first glance, Jevons Paradox creates a discouraging situation. It says that every action we take creates and equal or greater opposite action. So, for example, if a person chooses not to drive to work, then the gasoline that he or she saves will be used by someone else. The only way out of this trap is to ensure that we simultaneously reduce demand for the resource. Demand reduction is crucial.

All attempts to address our predicaments through improved efficiency or consumption are likely not only to fail, they may actually make those predicaments worse unless demand elsewhere, all over the world, is reduced correspondingly.

Energy neither be created nor destroyed (except through the use of nuclear reactions). Hence any proposal to “save energy” cannot work. Nor can energy be “renewed”. We can transform energy from one form to another. For example, we can burn gasoline in an automobile engine to create forward motion. But the total amount of energy involved remains the same.

Whenever energy is converted from one form to another the overall system entropy — a measure of disorder or randomness — always increases. For example, when we burn gasoline in the engine of an automobile some of the energy generated moves the vehicle forward. But more of the energy is discarded as waste heat from the automobile’s tail pipe. Nothing that we do is “sustainable” — every action leads to an increase in overall entropy. It also means that no machine can have “zero emissions”.

There is really no such thing as “clean energy”. Energy is simply energy. Some ways of transforming energy into useful work create generate less entropy than others. But none of them are “clean”.
I like very much what that man writes, but I'm not sure that producing PV electricity doesn't reduce entropy.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: September 05, 2020, 02:06:44 PM »
El Cid, Thanks for the info. I'll try. Cardoon is something that I had like once a year as kid, but out of the supermarket. I liked it very much.

General de GerreLasse, these movies are beautifull. If you can ask your friend, there is one thing I never understood in these forest garden, I have one tree in my vegetable garden, and under it, it is much more difficult to grow plants. When I bought the house, it was an area without weeds. In order to grow something there, I need much more watering than in other places.  I have another area where I have currents under bigger trees, and I always have to make sure that they have enough light and water. In the Luxembourgish forests, you don't have so much weeds on the ground. Does a forest garden require a place with a lot of water ? I find it beautiful, but plants seems to need light.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: September 05, 2020, 08:11:35 AM »

I think you have a trauma following your first year of gardening. Gardening how I want it is much about how to find an equilibrium between different plants so that you get something to eat. It's quite difficult, each year has its challenges (this year, I had carrots that needed water between onions that had to dry, I promoted the onions), and you learn each  year a little bit more.

Next year I'll have even more flowers in my garden, thank you Général de GuerreLasse for the names, I'll have plastic bottles on iron sticks, and we'll go for another round.

I feel that when you start gardening, just like anything else, there is some kind of honeymoon because the first year, the wild life around you didn't check that you planted things, but they find it out, one after another, and on your side, you have a learning process.

I have a question about cardoon. Does anyone has experience with it ? I have one in it's first year, looks very good, I hope the vole won't eat it. Well when I look in books or on internet, some people plant them every year, and other keep them and it looks like they can eat parts of it every year. Other keeps them and just enjoy the flowers every second year. I'm planning to enjoy the flowers next year, but I wonder what can be eaten the year with flowers. In one blog, they are eating the leaves in the spring but they don't do the whitening in the fall, other say that the flowers can be eaten, but I never found practical tips.


Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: September 02, 2020, 08:30:10 PM »
Luxembourg stopped quite efficiently the 2nd wave, we even reduced the cumulative number of cases. Well, non residents have been removed of the statistics. Luxembourg has about 600'000 inhabitants, and 200'000 employees crossing the border everyday. These 200'000 people can also be tested in Luxembourg, but their cases are not reported anymore, and have been removed of the statistics.

Arctic sea ice / Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« on: September 02, 2020, 08:11:20 PM »
Well, we still have the situation that 2020 there is no picture at the north pole where the passengers are all on the ice.

Arctic sea ice / Re: Arctic Image of the Day
« on: September 02, 2020, 06:49:32 AM »
The Barents Observer has some pictures of the ice around the north pole.
What surprised me most is that they didn't go on the sea ice for the picture at the north pole. That picture was a "must be" when I registered in this forum.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: August 28, 2020, 08:32:38 PM »
We have a guy at work who got the Covid19, was 2 weeks sick and is now healthy again, but still positive. The medical staff told him that it is not an issue because he could not transmit it anymore. Well, we are all very happy that it is summertime and that he agreed to take some free days and stay home. The medical staff told him he could be up to 6 weeks positive (I guess 2 weeks sick and 4 weeks still positive).

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: August 28, 2020, 07:57:10 PM »
Snakes would be nice, but it looks like they like they live close to rivers, which is not really the situation were I live. In Belgium, they are classified as a specie that is disappearing.

I have to check if something is possible, because the sparrow, also an endangered specie, is multiplying like crazy around my home, but gardens are small around here, and I guess a snake wouldn't pass the "wife acceptance test".

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: August 24, 2020, 06:32:19 AM »
I'm surprised you do all by yourself. When I did the same with lavender, I left it outside during the winter but only one out of two survived. I didn't know about the plastic bottle on it.
If you want some results in a reasonable time, you really should buy some plants. Furthermore all plants don't go fine everywhere, so I would recommend to buy different plants and to reproduce the ones that grow well. Of course if you get insider information from your neighbor, it changes the situation.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: August 23, 2020, 08:13:56 AM »
I read that it takes about 20 years for walnut and chestnut trees to produce good quantities of nuts.  When I was around 40 years old, I made a chestnut retirement plan,  on paper it was extremely interesting, but both trees died, I think they were already sick when I got them because I never received an invoice.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: August 22, 2020, 05:07:41 PM »
I would say, do like the birds, when it is fresh, put it in the ground, just do it more than once.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: August 21, 2020, 04:13:02 PM »
It is almost time for chestnuts. I like to forage for chestnuts and see if I can prepare them and eat them.
But.. not all chestnuts give edible nuts. Does someone know how to spot the trees with the edible nut?
The horse chestnut cannot bee eaten. It is easy to recognize because the spikes on the fruit are much bigger and the leaves don't have spikes at all.

I would be surprised if you find any eatable in the Netherlands. Normally it is only planted as decoration in the north of Europe. I never found any in Luxembourg.

Added : you can cook them in the electrical oven, but you need to add some humidity (wood still has 20% humidity when it is dry). I usually make a cut in it and soak it in water before cooking in the oven. If I remember well, it takes about half an hour at 200 °C to be cooked.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: August 19, 2020, 07:15:49 AM »
Self sufficiency is a dream that just can't be reached. Sidd provided a great link about Indian farming,1412.msg241267.html#msg241267 and you can read that they were also hunters. They needed to hunt to get meat, leather and bones. Bones were used for example to produce the gardening tools.
Bruce is probably right, it's more or less what I would have said if I had been able to provide a justification, but it's only the man managed area that is required, the nature around is also needed to provide clothes, tools, construction materials...
It's about the size of the farm, but they sale high value vegetables to restaurants, they have a lot of incomes with visitors, trainings... and they get manure from riding stables.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: August 18, 2020, 08:48:51 PM »
I think my posting has improved pretty dramatically but obviously my observations are impartial

I have to say that you are not the only one whose posting has improved. There are people who I thought were climate deniers who start to say things that makes a little bit of sense. Maybe some people came with the Idea of creating trouble and end up learning something.

Lets be positive, I have found in many cases that we were smart enough not to react at some provocations, lets try to continue. It's sad that Blumenkraft left, I hope he keeps reading us and will come back soon.

We probably underestimate the cultural challenge that we face, maybe you can be considered as a climate activist in Houston or Miami, on FOX news... and a climate denier on this forum, we all have all different backgrounds and information, just to give you an example, my wife found an article explaining the advantages of AGW for the wine producers in Luxembourg; it didn't stay long online, but it was published. 

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: August 14, 2020, 06:13:21 PM »
This is the Arctic Sea Ice forum. The discussion should be about the Arctic, the Sea, The Ice, and the Forum. Leave American politics out of it. We need to unite around the Global Climate Crisis, and not be divided by noise...
Unfortunately, AGW is not only about arctic sea ice. I guess it is the COVID context that makes us all crazy. I see that everywhere and I understand it because the future is so unclear.

Politics is the only way to change things, so it makes sense to talk about it. Discussion without action doesn't make sense. I have found a presentation of the Youth International Catholic Workers that is interesting, but unfortunately only is in French and Spanish.

I  would find it very disappointing if all the"how to manage AGW" discussions would be removed of the forum. We should be able to respect one another even if we don't agree on the ways to go forward.

The forum / Re: Forum Decorum
« on: August 14, 2020, 01:33:21 PM »
Re:  the thread [COVID-19] be locked

Disagreed. That thread is a valuable compendium of information, with many links to data and research.

I suggest more of the commentariat use the 'Ignore' setting to improve their blood pressure. As a matter of fact, perhaps we should set the default for all commenters to to 'Everyone'. Then people can gradually allow other commenters into their awareness one by one by taking them off their ignore list. If a severe allergic reaction follows, then put the offending commenter back on the ignore list.

Sorta like using poison ivy for toilet tissue. After the first time ...

I still believe that Covid is a too important subject to have the different threads in different places on the forum. I really would put it at the same level than "science/consequences/policy and solutions/walking the walk/developers corner" so that different threads could be opened just like suggested by Oren in this comment,2996.msg281077.html#msg281077
The "Mask" thread (The rest) should also be added, and we could have a context where the different subjects can be discussed.
I had stopped reading the Covid Thread because it contains many political debates which don't interest me. Just like "The Politics" has been taken out of "the rest", I think it would be a good idea here as well.
From all what I read, I just can't make up my mind about COVID19 and find it very sad that people are fighting about things where science just doesn't have an answer. Some politician compared COVID with cooking milk, it might go out of the pan, but it doesn't have to, and I believe that we  don't know what keeps the Covid-milk in the pan and what makes it go out, we have ideas and everybody is sure that he knows better. It's like when gardening, the same problem might have different solutions in different parts of the world because of the type of soil, how much rain falls... so if you have a solution and you don't have an overinflated self-confidence, you would say that something works in your garden, but not that you know how to solve the problem.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 27, 2020, 08:21:52 AM »
Another Covid19 activity with kids. It's not so easy to find something for everyday, and here they get some experiences with handwork.

We hope to sale them on some Christmas-market if there are some this winter.

Time doesn't seem to be an issue. Maybe it could be interesting to start the trip in October and the arrival would have to be before April otherwise there would be too many heat waves and not enough rain anymore.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: July 20, 2020, 08:57:37 PM »
Luxembourgish Covid joke. We can get a free Covid test if we have reserved an hotel abroad.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: July 16, 2020, 07:57:13 PM »
Luxembourgish data : we are now at 90 cases per week for 100'000 inhabitants

The government is saying that numbers can't be compared internationally because we also test border workers, but they are only 18% of the cases, so we would be at 74 cases per week for 100'000 inhabitants. We have about 200'000 border workers and 626'000 inhabitants.

The government doesn't take any special measure, but the schools started yesterday the summer holidays, so the feeling is that they managed very badly the contamination in the schools and that the summer holidays are the main action against COVID19.

For more graphs
When looking at the graphs, you have to read carefully what is represented. Most can't be compared because they are not based on the same data (active cases, total cases, tested people, positive tested people...).

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 15, 2020, 06:56:30 AM »
You could try perennial grain

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: July 13, 2020, 10:07:32 PM »
The only solution I can see is for them to be less Floridan (Floridian?). And for the Texans to be less Texan.

You are unwilling to see solutions. The solution is simple and is the same everywhere.

For the individual, the solution is distance, hand washing, and if needed, masks.
For society, the solution is to test, track, and isolate.
I'm perfectly willing to see solutions. It's the good people of Florida and Texas that aren't. Do you see a solution to THAT problem? If you do, tell us what it is. If you don't please stop nagging us for one.
The problem comes when the government doesn't make its part of the duty. School is mandatory for kids, and there is no way to go around that. So you just have to send your kids to school and pray (hope would be too optimistic) that they won't get sick. My oldest boy tells me that there would be 8 cases in his school (around 1300 kids, 12 to 20 years old).
Luxembourg is now at 66 cases per week per 100'000 inhabitants, growing everyday since July 1st, growing every week (today's average compared to last week's average) since June 6th.
It creates crazy situation where there is no good way out of it. If you follow the rule, you're in danger, and if you don't follow it, you're out. Maybe it's good to show to the kids that in some cases, it is ok not to follow the rules.
Maybe I am too scared of exponential growth.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 12, 2020, 10:49:20 PM »
In Germany, they also cook bread directly on the fire, rolled around a wood stick. It's a "just for the fun of the kids" activity because most of the time you end up with bread that is burned outside and not cooked inside.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 11, 2020, 07:24:59 PM »
I have my first ever bit of harvest :).
Getting half of the (muddy) potatoes ("Frieslander") out resulted in 6Kg. They are all beautiful smooth and ovaloid but most are smallish.  I've left the very small ones behind on the soil.
The other vegetable I've harvested is the "andijvie" (NL) (Cichorium endivia) and I have already eaten from it this morning. Delicious :).
Congratulation. You can also leave the potatoes in the ground and only take out the ones you need for the day. I do it that way, into the soil is the best way to keep it fresh. With salads, I'm not so lucky this year, but kohlrabi are good and green peas are abundant.
Rucola works fine, and nobody wants the salad burnet, even if it is good with cheese. 
Berries were also good this year.
Chamomile works better than expected, I'll have enough of it for the winter.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 04, 2020, 09:10:21 PM »
Here, instead of a solar panel, they put an empty soda bottle on the stick, upside down. It would also create vibration each time that the wind blows, which is quite often here.

With frogs and salamanders, insects might not be an issue.

The forum / Re: Suggestions
« on: July 02, 2020, 02:43:00 PM »
Would it be possible to put all the COVID tread on one single place ? I find it quite problematic to have them in different parts of the forum.

Treads also have to be renamed if the subject changes. There is no reason to talk about air flow in a mask tread.



Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: July 02, 2020, 01:55:48 PM »
Discussions about vents/air flow etc can be done here:,3024.msg271432.html#msg271432

Please focus on Covid (also Fauci over Trump)

TIA! Kassy

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 01, 2020, 08:38:42 PM »
This digging debate is a never ending story. I try not to do it, but there is always a reason to do it. It can be to get the potatoes out of the ground, to remove weeds or roots, to raise the soil around the leaks, to break the clods... I almost never use a spade, but the soil is almost each year mixed on at least 10 centimeters.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: June 28, 2020, 09:00:07 AM »
Hi Nanning,
You should check if there is a transition movement in your area. In Luxembourg, we have traditional community garden, and transition/permaculture ones, and they don't mix well.
A transition community garden might also have a guru who knows better what you should do :-\. It's difficult to find a way and there is no perfect solution.

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