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Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: July 13, 2020, 10:07:32 PM »
The only solution I can see is for them to be less Floridan (Floridian?). And for the Texans to be less Texan.

You are unwilling to see solutions. The solution is simple and is the same everywhere.

For the individual, the solution is distance, hand washing, and if needed, masks.
For society, the solution is to test, track, and isolate.
I'm perfectly willing to see solutions. It's the good people of Florida and Texas that aren't. Do you see a solution to THAT problem? If you do, tell us what it is. If you don't please stop nagging us for one.
The problem comes when the government doesn't make its part of the duty. School is mandatory for kids, and there is no way to go around that. So you just have to send your kids to school and pray (hope would be too optimistic) that they won't get sick. My oldest boy tells me that there would be 8 cases in his school (around 1300 kids, 12 to 20 years old).
Luxembourg is now at 66 cases per week per 100'000 inhabitants, growing everyday since July 1st, growing every week (today's average compared to last week's average) since June 6th.
It creates crazy situation where there is no good way out of it. If you follow the rule, you're in danger, and if you don't follow it, you're out. Maybe it's good to show to the kids that in some cases, it is ok not to follow the rules.
Maybe I am too scared of exponential growth.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 12, 2020, 10:49:20 PM »
In Germany, they also cook bread directly on the fire, rolled around a wood stick. It's a "just for the fun of the kids" activity because most of the time you end up with bread that is burned outside and not cooked inside.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 11, 2020, 07:24:59 PM »
I have my first ever bit of harvest :).
Getting half of the (muddy) potatoes ("Frieslander") out resulted in 6Kg. They are all beautiful smooth and ovaloid but most are smallish.  I've left the very small ones behind on the soil.
The other vegetable I've harvested is the "andijvie" (NL) (Cichorium endivia) and I have already eaten from it this morning. Delicious :).
Congratulation. You can also leave the potatoes in the ground and only take out the ones you need for the day. I do it that way, into the soil is the best way to keep it fresh. With salads, I'm not so lucky this year, but kohlrabi are good and green peas are abundant.
Rucola works fine, and nobody wants the salad burnet, even if it is good with cheese. 
Berries were also good this year.
Chamomile works better than expected, I'll have enough of it for the winter.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 04, 2020, 09:10:21 PM »
Here, instead of a solar panel, they put an empty soda bottle on the stick, upside down. It would also create vibration each time that the wind blows, which is quite often here.

With frogs and salamanders, insects might not be an issue.

The forum / Re: Suggestions
« on: July 02, 2020, 02:43:00 PM »
Would it be possible to put all the COVID tread on one single place ? I find it quite problematic to have them in different parts of the forum.

Treads also have to be renamed if the subject changes. There is no reason to talk about air flow in a mask tread.



Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: July 02, 2020, 01:55:48 PM »
Discussions about vents/air flow etc can be done here:,3024.msg271432.html#msg271432

Please focus on Covid (also Fauci over Trump)

TIA! Kassy

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: July 01, 2020, 08:38:42 PM »
This digging debate is a never ending story. I try not to do it, but there is always a reason to do it. It can be to get the potatoes out of the ground, to remove weeds or roots, to raise the soil around the leaks, to break the clods... I almost never use a spade, but the soil is almost each year mixed on at least 10 centimeters.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: June 28, 2020, 09:00:07 AM »
Hi Nanning,
You should check if there is a transition movement in your area. In Luxembourg, we have traditional community garden, and transition/permaculture ones, and they don't mix well.
A transition community garden might also have a guru who knows better what you should do :-\. It's difficult to find a way and there is no perfect solution.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 27, 2020, 06:08:48 PM »
So TLDR: The virus didn't explode earlier because it needed critical mass.

I can't agree with that critical mass explanation. The virus evolves, and one specific change was needed for it to become more contagious.

We have the new numbers for Luxembourg, it's going quite up. The irony is that schools should restart like before COVID 19 this Monday, right now only half of the pupils are coming with a weekly change so that the groups didn't mix. The reason to go forward is that contamination seems to happen mainly during the free time, not at work, while shopping...

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: June 26, 2020, 10:48:10 PM »
There are other materials that are easier to handle than logs to cover the ground, for example straw, wood chips... even cardboard can be used if it is not printed. If mildew is not an issue, many potatoes are a good way to start a garden. Onions, garlic, green peas, tomatoes, zucchini... are also very easy, at least in my garden. The first year, you can't know what will work best, how aggressive slugs will be...

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 25, 2020, 10:36:25 PM »
The Covid19 flu ;D is also coming back in Europe.

I think what might make the difference is air conditioned. Most houses don't have it, at least in Luxembourg, north of France, Belgium... so people stay much more outside these days.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: June 21, 2020, 08:01:19 AM »
Nice pictures, but I never heard that removing weeds would disturb the other plants. I think that it might even be the oposite because it would mix the soil and that would be positive. Roots of the weeds decay in the ground and that could also help.
Some weeds, if you don't remove them before they have seeds, can become invasive. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the other gardeners around you would selectively remove some plants.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 16, 2020, 06:22:03 AM »
I expect a continuous stress due to outbreaks and local quarantines until it becomes uncontrollable in a few weeks/months. Much Softer than prior wave for many reasons, but chances are high we lockdown again... if we can afford it. Perhaps a Sweden way is the way in the second wave cause we just can’t depress economy anymore.

The problem, Neven (and I apologize again) is that people refuses to consume en masse, to travel en masse, etc. even if they are allowed or even with incentive from government. The reality is that this virus screws the lungs, kidneys, cardiovascular systems of a minority, but nobody wants to play lottery when death or a life of complicated health is the winner trophy for 1% to 20% of tickets. Coronavirus panic is dumb but it may save your ass.

The economic domino effect will then ensue and be unstoppable. One year of a potential vaccine is too long.
From what I read, the Swedish model didn't save the economy, just moved the responsibility on the population.
The main problem for me is that we need a peak consumption, it is happening now, and instead of going local,   the consuption left seems to be concentrated on globalized product which doesn't bring any resilience in the system.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 14, 2020, 09:00:37 PM »
Government to people: "What do you mean by 'Government'?".

Texas Has Shifted to an “It’s Your Responsibility” Pandemic Plan

Link >>
I believe that with the end of the lockdown, Europe decided the same. We'll see if the lockdowns come back during the 2nd wave if there is one. Luxembourg allows air travel to and from Sweden with that "It's your responsibility" concept.

If you want to see the list of the destinations by plane starting from Luxembourg :

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 12, 2020, 09:50:17 PM »
I really want to stop watching this thread, this is not the reason I came to the excellent Neven forum, but unfortunately it does not stop being news.
Covid19 is making us all crazy. At work also, many things don't work like they should because of the safety rules. I also think I should stop reading this thread, but it remains a good place to be informed, so I can't resist and read it every day.
Oren think it is getting political, by which he means that the discussion is difficult, I would say that it is becoming a question of faith. We all believe things and since nothing is clear, each day we have a study saying something different, so everybody can find good arguments for what he believes is true. Even the interview proposed by dnem, which I generally found good, provides information about obesity which has already been demonstrated false. I feel that since we really don't know what the truth is, if you are a scientist with a normal weight, you'll find nice to think that obesity is a risk, just like a non smoker finds smoking a risk, or me living in the countryside find living in town a risk. 
What scares me most is that people feel that it's over. A neighbor asked me how I survived Covid19, and when I told him, I thought there could be a 2nd wave, he was surprised.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: June 03, 2020, 07:48:53 AM »
I think that it's the difference between being inside and outside. So we just have to wait until air conditioning is nice to have and cases might go up again. We might be loosing now an opportunity to go to zero.

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: June 01, 2020, 10:24:12 AM »
Maybe it would be easier to limit the size of the companies, but technology makes that people all want the same product, we have the same problem with fashion, most teenagers want the same t-shirt, I was never able to convince my kids to design their t-shirt themselves, and when buying organic cotton ones, they only agree with the plain ones.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 31, 2020, 10:23:26 PM »
Ok just tell me exactly and precisely, you or somebody who knows, why cutting funds to WHO during this pandemic is madness? What are they enabling? What are they achieving?
Or is this just anti-Trumpism?

Cutting funds of the WHO is neither better nor worse during than before or after the pandemic.

The WHO is the international organization for health issues, just like we have one for meteorology, for telecoms, for childrens, for cultural goods, for tourism, for labor, an international meter comission... if all these organizations are reduced to nothing, it will make international cooperation much more difficult, which is something that Trump might like. I feel that he prefers to talk  with each country separetely, having each time a stronger position, instead of having multilateral relations like with the EU. After WW2, probably until 9/11, the US were the main superpower and could manage all the international organizations like they wanted, and I see this strategy of refusing multilateral work as a sign of weakness.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 31, 2020, 03:05:59 PM »
If you have the edible type of lavender, you can make some syrup. The flowers have to be collected when the bees are not  interested anymore. You put it in a pan, add water so that it reaches the level of the flowers, let cook it for 15 minutes and let it stay one more hour.
When that's done, you filter it, keeps the liquid, add the same weigh of sugar and cook it an extra 15 minutes. Afterward you can put it in bottles. When you feel nervous, you can mix some of the syrup with hot water and drink it as a tee.
You can do the same with thyme, but that's for when you have a cold, also to be mixed with hot water.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 29, 2020, 09:04:16 AM »
In the fight against slugs, I have found a flower, the rudbeckia hirta, that is so much liked by slugs that it seems to protects the other ones around. Looks like it helps.
My wife wanted some because of the flowers, and they were so much eaten that I put some between my vegetables. It seems to become big, but in the strategical places, some animals, I guess slugs, keep them small. In other places, they grow normally. It's a north American plant, don't know if you have experiences with that plant. Here, it is only used for decoration.

Policy and solutions / Re: Lessons from COVID-19
« on: May 28, 2020, 07:15:22 PM »
Well, I think I agree with Neven. If we had been reasonable, hadn't put the older generation in retirement home, the younger generation in nursery, so that both parents can work like crazy, I think we would have been able to handle much better this pandemic.
Instead of going toward a more sustainable way of life, I feel that we are running toward a major crash. Well, good friends are getting good contracts from the state.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 25, 2020, 07:44:27 AM »
There are plants like tomatoes where you really don't know which seed will germinate, so you can let them germinate together, than you can separete them in individual containers.
I use the germination in containers technique also because of slugs and birds, otherwise I don't know if the plant has been eaten or if there was no germination.

Well, I also use the stone quite a lot. I had a material science class in College a long time ago, and it is what I remember of that time.
There aren't so many old men who used the scythe intensively. Tractors arrived after WW2, and that's already more than 70 years ago.
On normal years, I wouldn't need a scythe, it's because of the Covid19 that I couldn't use the machine of a neighbor to cut the grass regularly, so it became to high for that machine. It's a field were we cut the grass so that the kids can play soccer, but with social distancing, the concept didn't work well this year. If I had the opportunity to use it more often, I would need a teacher.
One of my sons tried the scythe, and he wasn't convinced. He didn't have the patience to learn.

Well, I would say that I reached level 2 in sharpening, I am now able to cut thin grass. It's not perfect but it's a step forward. Thanks Bruce for the video.
If somebody has a good tutorial on how to make a handle, I'd be very happy. Mine is good, it's a metallic industrial one, but it is too short. I have to bend my knees quite a lot and my back hurts quite fast.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 19, 2020, 08:02:21 PM »
I made a graph with the number of daily new cases in Luxembourg, with a 7 days average, and a signal showing if the 7 days average goes up or down.

Now that the lockdown is eased since a few weeks (construction sites since 3 weeks, shops and schools since one week), the up/down signal is more often up than down. We stay very low compared to the peak, but I wouldn't restart air travels like planned for I think next week.

The forum / Re: Arctic Sea Ice Forum Humor
« on: May 15, 2020, 09:33:35 PM »
Middle school humor, it was for the art-class in home schooling.
The original version is in Luxembourgish.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 10, 2020, 11:34:21 AM »
Slugs are back in Luxembourg.
The French government organized a web site to help people since many chemicals are not allowed anymore. Here is what they say about it. Nothing really new.

I have a new gardening book that recommends a mulch with oak's leaves (too early) or horsetail (don't have any), so right now I cut them in 2 pieces.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 09, 2020, 12:21:19 PM »

Is this the Kawasaki stuff that the UK organisation tried to defuse? It seems really important that SARS-CoV-2 is a danger to children, after all, isn't it? Are there any behavioural scientists encouraging this kind of news?

It's a Kawasaki-like Covid-related syndrome.  But hey, it's only a few dozen children.  Their lives aren't so important, are they?  It's way more important to get the GDP back up, because the wealthy really need that GDP.
Yes, because the wealthy are the ones being devastated by mass unemployment, and not the people reliant on paychecks. No, definitely not. GDP is only for the wealthy, poor people live off the land, this hasn't even affected them!

This is completely disingenuous tripe. And it IS only a few dozen children. Oh well. We don't halt the world for car accidents, and that kills thousands of children per year. Life goes on.

But THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!! Oh noes. And not the 30% of people who are now unemployed, many of whom have children, who will imminently be unable to afford food or shelter as state unemployment funds reach 0.
Would it be possible to stop with this BS discussions. We know some people are scared, we know others aren't. It doesn't make sense to through the arguments from one side of the Internet to the other one.
We are entering in the next step of the Pandemic, maybe with a future 2nd wave (nobody knows, but I see a high probability), and there could have been a 3rd way between lockdown and full open, just look at Taiwan and Korea. I feel that the required measures have not been implemented during lockdown, making a second wave possible, and it makes me sad.
I heard that the reopening doesn't work too well, in Trier (Germany) some shops would have said that it was cheaper to be closed with employees paid by the unemployment fund than it is now to be open. We need to find ways that are acceptable, reasonable and safe so that life can restart more or less normally. The "it's a flu" message of some governments probably harmed economy more than the lockdown because people get the feeling that they have to protect themselves because the government doesn't do it, so people stay home because they think that they will not be protected outside.
Same thing with masks, when to many people don't wear one, I leave the area because I don't feel safe, and many people do like me. The ones who don't wear a mask show to the world that they don't care about others, that they have an egocentric personality. Same thing for the people who wear a mask that only filters the air that comes in.
Honestly, there are shops where I won't go again because I didn't feel safe the last time I was there, If some people feel they are heroes because they go downtown without masks, I'd like to tell them that they are idiots, they might infect some, but they scare  many who will stay home, so they make the restart of the economy more difficult.
Test, trace and protect is the only solution for the economy until we have herd immunity through vaccination or through major suffering.

Social medias are terrible. When works have to be done on the drinking water network, we used to inform the concerned people with an flyer in the mail box. Nowadays, people put these flyers on Facebook, so non concerned people get scared because they don't know if they are concerned, so we have to publish it also on our website.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 07, 2020, 06:54:15 AM »
The lockdowns are an emergency temporary measure. We should make the most out of them while they last. By making the most out of them I mean reducing the number of new cases to the lowest number possible. But lockdowns will not work forever, many are already breaking down.

Places that made the most out of their lockdown start from almost 0 new cases every day. Places that didn't shut down hard enough start from a high number of cases every day.

Places with a low number of new cases and with contact tracing capabilities should open everything but ask businesses and services to take precautions. Masking, avoiding crowded places, constant surface wiping, and social distancing should remain in place. Numbers of cases should go down to one every few days if any at all. Employers that can't provide PPE should be liable in both criminal and civil courts.

Even then, it is likely that epidemics break out in many places. Contact tracing must be right on top of the breakouts with local quarantines. This way life can resume.

Places who wasted their lockdowns are in trouble. As they relax rules, cases will go up. They are likely to see many local outbreaks and economic disruptions for the next year or two. Their fatality count will be high for many more months.
I fully agree, lockdowns were an emergency measure because of the failure of the track and trace strategy. I would add protect now that we know that masks are efficient.
My worry is that it is very difficult to reopen society after, and that I feel that the governments failed to organize the track, trace and protect strategy during the lockdown. Let's hope for the best, Covid19 really is a wierd sickness.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 06, 2020, 11:15:23 PM »
hawthornes under the moon.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 06, 2020, 07:52:22 AM »
 :you're welcome. Maastricht Luxembourg is worth more than 3 days, on the German and on the Belgian sides, but as far as I know, they are better equipped for pedestrians than for bicycles. I think that the roads could be dangerous and it goes up and down all the time.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 05, 2020, 08:36:41 PM »
Yes, thank you very much.  That's good to know, because I always planted them in pots or in May. That's for next year.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 04, 2020, 05:33:58 PM »
Hi etienne, since you addressed me I have looked up Hawthorn to see what you could mean.

Is this your Hawthorn?  (Dutch: Eenstijlige Meidoorn)
In the description on wikipedia it says "The hermaphrodite flowers are produced in late spring (May to early June in its native area)" so it is very early for it too blossom and I would not worry about that.

I don't have this plant therefore I still don't understand why you have addressed me. Could you please explain what you mean?
Well, since Luxembourg and Belgium are very close to the Netherlands, I thought you would also have that plant where you live. I shared that way of knowing when the freezing time is over because it is a good reminder that even if April sometimes has very good weather, it is too early to take the tomatoes out.
With the potatoes, I always put them early because it already takes about 10 days until they come out, and they are quite easy to protect because they stay on the ground. Earlier potatoes means less trouble with the mildew. It is also not an issue if the potatoes freeze a little bit, they grow back soon.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: May 03, 2020, 08:21:14 PM »
I was able to eat the first fresh onions this year. I always plant them too close so that I can eat like half of it in the spring.

Since I didn't feel like going in a shop for the aviary wire, I am trying an olfactory war and have placed some fresh rosemary, old savory and some fresh nettles around the sprouts. It helps but it is too early to say that it works.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: April 24, 2020, 07:40:56 AM »
Thanks Bruce for the tip regarding aviary wire. I didn't thing about it and was doing netting that was quite complicated and had sometimes birds that were caught in it and that I had to free.

Regarding the just germinated seeds, I'm not sure that birds are the problem. I also have the problem in areas that are protected, and I don't have it when I let the plants grow on the terrace. it could be slugs, but I didn't see any this year, or insects, or mice. I also had a spinach whose roots were eaten, I was just left with the leaves, don't know what animals does that.

Added : I have spinach germinating between lines of garlic, and no animal is eating it.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: April 23, 2020, 07:29:55 PM »
I never had problems with birds regarding tomatoes, it is more with spinach, salads... Some plants like my carrots this year just disappear after germination but I'm not sure if birds or insects are the reason. Below a picture of my spinach, this is clearly due to the birds.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: April 22, 2020, 08:59:28 PM »
Very good link regarding the tomatoes.

I believe that you can already plant the spinach. Mine are already growing. My carrots are also already 1 cm tall.

My main problem are birds that eat everything.

Walking the walk / Re: Gardening
« on: April 17, 2020, 11:27:30 PM »

I have a little question. Because of the Coronavirus, we decided that we would make our plants ourselves. On the picture below, I have courgette and pumpkins.

I know I made a mistake because they were in a room that was too warm, they have grown a lot and very fast at the beginning, and die now with only 2 leaves. Does anybody know what I should do ?

Thank you very much,

Light was the problem. I changed the place where I keep the plants, and now that the weather is very hot (for April) in Luxembourg, I take them out almost everyday. Many died, but the few that survived are doing well. I have put sunflowers in the pots where the zucchini died, and even had one zucchini coming out near a sunflower.

Added : I also have some tomatoes that are going great, and am trying to grow some perennial plants that can be eaten in order to save time the next years (salad burnet, marsh mallow plant, arugula, cardoon, chamomile). I already have rhubarb and sorrel (and all kinds of herbs, mint...).
Cardoons should produce food every second year, but the year you can't eat it (to be checked), they have beautiful flowers).
It's a try, if you have other perennials to recommend, it's always nice to know.

The forum / Re: Arctic Sea Ice Forum Humor
« on: April 12, 2020, 03:35:44 PM »
Airplane travel during the Coronavirus

The forum / Re: Who would like to take over the ASIF?
« on: April 12, 2020, 02:55:52 PM »
Another suggestion: open a ”forum moderation” thread so mods can direct all moderation related off topic comments there.
I wouldn't do that. I don't believe that the work of the moderators should be discussed by the members.
i would understand such a thread only if is it private for the moderators.

The forum / Re: Who would like to take over the ASIF?
« on: April 09, 2020, 11:07:43 PM »
Thank you very much Neven. I didn't imagine you could do all that work alone. To burn out is a dangerous thing that should be avoided at any cost, because once the point is reached, everything breaks anyway.

I'm not sure that we need to regulate what can be published, common sense should be enough and Neven is a good example of how it should work. But I believe that we need rules to say how the forum is managed.

From what I read here, I would imagine a team of moderators, each one would manage one or more of the 12 main categories depending of their interests (from "Arctic sea ice" to "The forum").
To block a user (including a moderator), a majority of the moderators should agree.
The first group of moderators could be selected by Neven, and in the future a majority of moderator would be needed to select a new one.

Once again, thank you Neven for the work. I also learned a lot here.


Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 03, 2020, 06:59:48 PM »
BCG Studies :

I tend to believe that the correlation has nothing to do with the vaccination, but with the general context. Countries still needing the BCG vaccine are probably better prepared to handle a pandemic situation.

Does anybody knows what is the x axis in the Figures 1 and 3 ?

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: April 03, 2020, 06:31:34 PM »
We cannot let the cure be worse than the disease.

So, you are willing to die?

Yes, if it means that my children and grandchildren have a better chance.

I believe that the cure was needed anyway because of AGW. The question of how the world will restart after the pandemic is a major issue. I first hoped that we could learn something out of it and become more local, but I feel that it doesn't go that way.

We have these discussions now because the lockdown is getting everyday more difficult to support, an I'm still a lucky one living in a nice countryside.

Added : just a picture of Luxembourg so that you can see how is the weather today and that I have no reason to complain about the lockdown. Even so, I find it not so easy to support.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 31, 2020, 07:41:42 PM »

I know this us useless and I am wasting my breath.

Please stop being a racist.

Please check where the Spanish flu came from. You said it's important to know who is the unlucky first.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 29, 2020, 08:31:43 PM »
Well, I find you quite unfair with Taiwan. +15 is not a lost of control for a country with almost 24 million inhabitants.

If you look at the situation in South Korea or Japan, I think also that it is early to say that they lost the control. Maybe they had a bad day.

Well, if these countries loose control, I guess we'll go all for herd immunity.

Added : maybe confinement is getting difficult to support for some people and this could create some more infections, but if most of the people are careful, this could be just like I said a few bad days.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 28, 2020, 09:20:33 PM »
Crude, rude, blunt, and my sentiments precisely... you have been warned.
Stay the *$&#% at home!


I love it, already shared it twice.


Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 27, 2020, 09:47:40 PM »
There are always more articles linking the Coronavirus with air pollution, mainly in German, but here is one in English.
Its seems that fine particles could transport the virus on longer distances. Don't know how true thia is.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 22, 2020, 07:59:23 AM »
Living in the 6th country according to the infected people rate is not easy. Everybody is scared of other things and sometimes you create more stress trying to help. I bought some pastries in an empty bakery but my wife didn't want them in the house, too scared that the baker might be sick, I didn't worry because there were no other customers in the shop.

Stay safe, isolate yourself, relax and keep your mind healthy. We just finished our first week of panic.

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 22, 2020, 07:34:49 AM »
I found this graph on

I didn't check the facts, but it seems reasonable.

Dates are written the European way (day/month)

Consequences / Re: COVID-19
« on: March 21, 2020, 10:01:44 PM »

I made a graph with the death cases per day starting with the first death, excepted for Hubei because there data starts at 17.

For the first 100 deaths, excepted for South Korea, curves are really similar, not like for the number of infected people (Sweden is hidden behind South Korea and stops at 16, so they didn't reach the going wild phase). In Hubei, China didn't have the opportunity to start anything in that time frame, and France is behind because they had a tourist who died at the beginning of the pandemia.

If you check what happens with the first 1000 deaths, you see that China was able to reduce the number of deaths, and that the US are following Iran.

Added : I believe that the deaths data are more correct than the infected cases data.

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