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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: January 24, 2020, 04:41:32 PM »
Is 1.50C from pre-industrial even a remote possibility?


I've no doubt that we'll pass through 1.5 well before Greta needs to hide her grey hairs, and probably before she earns a degree.
1.50C may have been built in before Greta was born. That door has closed.


Terry
Terry - that 1.5 °C goal is the goal, that all countries (minus 3) in the world agreed on to work for in Paris. And then you may read the IPCC special report 1.5°C where the scientist explained in 2018, how that goal could be achieved by the governments: E.g. with negative emissions Gretas generation should be held responsible for somehow - and still some people still do not fully understand why young people are angry now. Plenty very stupid people out there, which are not young... 

Greta was demanding in her school strike, that the Swedish government does what it promised in Paris.

It is very simple. If the governments of all countries of the world (-3) now find it unrealistic to keep their promise it should be also their job to say sorry and agree on something else. But how could a young girl like Greta step in and work out a better political solution? No - it is totally ok if she tells the politicians to do what they promised. There is no reason for her to ask the politicians to change their agreement. Also there is no reason for Greta to come up with any magic idea or whatever. The only solution is: Do not burn any carbon anymore. Take action now.   

Next problem is that the people are not doing what the politicians promised their people would do. Maybe because there are no sanctions and such. But why? There are sanctions against murder, theft, drugs abuse etc. so people know how to deal with such things. Thus there is no excuse. Action can be taken today - ban carbon burning just like the use of heroine.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: January 19, 2020, 08:41:26 PM »
Also where on the ocean is Greta now?
Switzerland. On the way to Davos to tell us, that we have seen nothing from her and FFF so far... If their actions continue to make no effect they will become more radical - just as needed.

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: December 13, 2019, 08:04:06 PM »
Congratulations! Both the English and the Scottish voted clear. That should help to get to some decisions soon. Nevertheless - since after Brexit (transition) is before Brexit (agreement about future relationship), another year of popcorn is going to make me fat anyway.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: December 03, 2019, 08:15:55 PM »
Greta: If you don't Like angry Kids then stop making Kids angry 😁



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/greta-thunberg-arrives-in-lisbon-by-yacht-from-us-1.4103166

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: December 01, 2019, 01:18:20 AM »
Estimated time of arrival now: Tuesday  :D

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 22, 2019, 07:30:51 PM »
Greta on Twitter: They survived the storm by slowing down the boat. Now they are back on track and hope not to be late for the conference.

PS: I am really happy that Twitter exists since Greta posts there and thus it is not dominated by Trump anymore. The problem obviously is not the tech but who uses it -  and not the young people cause the trouble... 

By the way: Next global school strike is on Nov. 29. Help the kids. See you on the streets and not only in the virtual world of this forum ;-)

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 19, 2019, 04:57:27 PM »
<snip>
All the tech executives tend to be raising their kids tech free.

That is very significant and should make consumerist parents scratch their heads and change their ways.

Maybe interesting in this context:

"Apple's Tim Cook says he wouldn't let a child use social media"
May I ask why the suggestion to prohibit teens from using social networks is now such big a topic in this thread? Is this an attempt to hinder Greta's work? It should be obvious that without social networking there would be no Friday for Future and only a few locals in Stockholm would have noticed Greta's school strike. Her superpower was multiplied by social media. And FFF is build on the ability to communicate effective and international.

Thus this kind of critics by some "tech executives" is a bit strange. And I would like to discuss with them directly which kind of addiction they practiced when they were in the teens. And what is the purpose of their critics? Internet only for people with drivers license or for the people of age 50+? Or for whom?

And does "tech free" include television, cars, computers, any other electrical things or only communication? What is bad with communication? No communication would be worse.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 17, 2019, 11:18:31 AM »
There is a ton of psychological research showing that, especially for girls, getting a smart phone and social media as a young child has a significant negative impact upon their mental health. Better that they get them later in their teens, so that they can have a sense of perspective. Also, a much longer attention span which is highly prized in higher academia and business.

All the tech executives tend to be raising their kids tech free.
It may be your choice to teach your children in Amish way or Steiner fashion or what else. But that is only your choice and shall not harm my children. A lot of things are very bad for children, if the dose is to high - TV, sugar, alcohol, religion, drugs, shopping, computers, SUV, telephones... but children if children do not have any experience with all of those, it is even worse. If teens today would consume in alcohol/ drugs what I did in the 80ies it would called insane. In my youth a heavy usage of a phone would have called insane. What is better?

And now back to topic: That most famous teen is sailing again :-)

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 16, 2019, 02:55:16 PM »
We are living in a world of change. Adults can't guide the kids through this. We don't know the internet, it's too new and ever-changing. It's a whole new cultural technique we have to learn as humanity as a whole. And then climate change. We know nothing. We can only assume.

The kids feel that. No fucking wonder they are insecure.

It's time to listen to the kids for once. Let's be insecure together.

No. It's time for parents to wake up and take the smartphones away from their kids.
Kids don't need smartphones.

They need a dumb phone so they can communicate with parents as needed. Yes, they may send sms's also.

Plus a strict limit on screentime. 40 minutes per day. After schoolwork is done.

That will give your kids back to you, among other positive effects.

Kids will scream at first and protest at your new regime, but they will accept it. And eventually they will enjoy being different.
OK, Boomer.
😁

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 14, 2019, 09:48:24 AM »
Does Johnson Understand How His Deal Affects Northern Ireland?

I am sure that Johnson does understand that one little thing he changed in the transition "deal" with EU. He is well educated and obviously he is not stupid. Thus he is probably lying. He lyied frequently in the past (prooven fact, e.g. when he was "journalist" in Brussels) thus there is no reason to believe him if he is saying anything. Especially when he is saying something in the public/ on TV before an election that is probably a lie.

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 09, 2019, 02:09:07 PM »
But the EU is also the sum of its nations and all the people enjoying the 4 freedoms

Ok, but this is ignoring that GB stalled the progression of the EU for decades.

...

But GB will remain - one way or another. Even if there is a Brexit (which i doubt), they are not out! With a hard Brexit, a new agreement will be reached and when GB wants the EU as a trading partner they have to bow to all the requirements the EU sees fit. Because GB has become a toothless tiger. Just another dying empire. Nothing will change that fact.
Yes, you are right, I agree. A member not helping to progress is not really a partner. In this sense it does not matter if they are inside or outside EU. And that little bit of customs is not going to hurt us much - that is just about money and it exist way to much of money anyways, mainly used for heating the planet.

Thus - I am back to my popcorn...

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The politics / Re: Brexit...
« on: November 03, 2019, 10:13:02 PM »
Yep, they should spell their words correctly, though. Jep, ðei ßud spel ðeö4 wöö4dz kcrrektli ðcu
no - because: Brexit means Brexit ;-)

They may correct the Americans instead :-P

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: November 01, 2019, 07:47:41 PM »
Since COP25 is moved from Chile to Madrid (Spain) Greta finds herself on the wrong side of the Atlantic and wants to sail back:

"As #COP25 has officially been moved from Santiago to Madrid I’ll need some help.
It turns out I’ve traveled half around the world, the wrong way:)
Now I need to find a way to cross the Atlantic in November... If anyone could help me find transport I would be so grateful.!

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1190290034131267591

Life is strange sometimes. But what an interesting and educational life she has. Good luck and some fun, Greta.

Edit - I am so wrong as she explained later in that tweet: "I’m so sorry I’ll not be able to visit South and Central America this time, I was so looking forward to this. But this is of course not about me, my experiences or where I wish to travel. We’re in a climate and ecological emergency.
I send my support to the people in Chile."

Just hope the storm season will not harm her.

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Policy and solutions / Re: But, but, but Germany ....
« on: September 22, 2019, 05:53:55 PM »
Alexander, I agree that we should have harmonized tax system in EU and elsewhere. The current situation is often like robbery - small countries suck from large ones with a bit of profit and large damage for others.

But those tax systems are not robbery by people, because the people do not make such laws. It is your government to blame, not the person from e.g. Marocco. Freedom of people to move is larger value than freedom of money to move or goods. So globalization should first be beneficial for the people and 2nd for companies. That is also the simple EU rule.

Now we also have global warming - caused by rich northern countries and resulting in first damages in more southern countries. How can we not help them if they have real problems, like e.g. a gay person in Morocco or just any person in Syria, who is attacked from all sides?

If immigrants work on black markets or do illegal things your police/customs/tax officers should do their job. Again blame your government if they ignore such problems - but not generally people from other countries. If you do so please also blame all Belgians for any problem caused by one single Belgian. 

But now this thread should maybe get back to problems caused by Germany, as mentioned in the title. And such problems are plentiful and often related to CO2: No other country spent that much money for such little effect. Just because we like to give the money but do not like to abstain from consumption. Please feel free to learn from our huge mistake.

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Policy and solutions / Re: But, but, but Germany ....
« on: September 22, 2019, 01:39:22 PM »
SATire: You don't understand what i say. Most arrive here with plenty children.
Alexander, I am German so I do understand very well what you say. It is Racism. Normally it is rated well to have many children - they can pay your social system once you are retired. But in case those children are not of "belgic blood" (does such a thing exist? you are a mixture of many people migrating there earlier)....

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Policy and solutions / Re: But, but, but Germany ....
« on: September 22, 2019, 12:45:49 PM »
I will give you an example. ... My college, from Morroco, he has 4 children. So he don't has to pay taxes ont that 50 000.
Lol - what is that example for? He is working, thus not illegal. He gets more money not because he is from Morocco but because he has more children. If you do not like that blame your government for being to social. Maybe vote for vlaams belang next time or the neo-liberals, in case you still can find some...

The term "illegal" is a local US term - it is not valid internationally for cases under convention of Geneva. 

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 21, 2019, 11:26:54 PM »
Did it started like that ? With her only.
yes

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 18, 2019, 09:17:51 AM »
I have full respect for and want to wish strength to the heroic participating young people without parental permission.
They will be disciplined while the others will not. Very unfair imo!
If you would have a daugther of that age you could know: Those uncooperative parents are going to face some serious activism at home soon. Gretas' superpower turns the kids into Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Veggies disciplining their nasty parents until they abstain from air planes, SUV and beef and find themselfs on the streets on Fridays, too  8)

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 17, 2019, 11:14:37 PM »
Brands Including Lush, Patagonia, and Outdoor Voices Are Joining Greta Thunberg in the Climate Strike 2019
This is very positive. Also here companies join Greta's Friday for Future - today 1800 companies committed to strike next Friday (including mine, but I will not disclose which): https://klima-streik.net/liste-der-unternehmen/

I want to cite Greta: "Activism works.",  "see you on the street."

September 20th is the next Friday.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 16, 2019, 07:11:45 PM »
So two more weeks of NYC excitement.   And then...?  Everybody stay frosty.
Canada, Chile... Greta takes 1 year off for traveling. Thus no need for planes. And way better education than any school can provide.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 16, 2019, 08:37:27 AM »
A radical climate scientist, of course.
(the "handler" of Greta, context above)
That is a no brainer. Greta follows science. Today realistic is often called radical. Probably because many people got used to be radically wrong. 
Perhaps govt funded. (Hint: certainly not Russian...).
I guess the Swedish government? No, she was demonstraiting against it... Swiss? I do not get your humor (just hoping it is humor, what I do not get).

That she is not a Russian spy and that Merkel was misunderstood Greta explained here (Poeple say such bullshit just to change subject away from climate crisis. Do not follow in wrong directions):   

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 14, 2019, 01:20:18 PM »
P.S.: Accidentally, Amy Goodman's interviews reveal who Greta's actual handler and donor of interview time is. Any guess? :) Conspiracy explained!
Her litle sister? No. I did not get it. Please enlight me.
Next Friday also companies and grown ups start to join fff. Greta disrupts.

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 02, 2019, 09:38:49 AM »
Greta will not stop soon. In Brussles (see her press conference video in post #96) she told us that she will not stop before Sweden is in line with the 1.5 °C warming target. She probably has found her life-time job and she is doing this job exeptionally well I think.

When I visited USA for first time after school I was overhelmed by New York for several days. Now imagine Gretas speciality, her 15 days with very few people on a large ocean and then she droped in that loud, fast, brutal and interesting big apple. Considering also that people in USA are not so famous for beeing nice listeners she may have realized, that her "ridiculously ineffective (...) stunt" did not end but started while stepping from board.

I hope she may find some native friends who can do the job is USA. Those need to be especially crazy pioneers since that job is way more difficult than the one in Sweden...

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 01, 2019, 08:26:52 PM »
... Here she is, sitting silently, pondering how ridiculously ineffective that 15-day sailboat stunt was.... 
...
Either what you say or thinking about her own answer from today on instagram: "When haters go after your looks and differences, it means they have nowhere left to go. And you know you're winning." ("you" here is Greta not someone Nasty). 

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 01, 2019, 04:50:02 PM »
Quote
"Our house is on fire. I want you to panic. And act"

Sounds like a great mission statement to me; as such, I hope she adopts it as her official mission statement.
Since those are her words in her <3 min pitch at the world economy forum in Davos your hope came true it seem. Watch and judge yourself:

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 01, 2019, 11:56:01 AM »



Can we please stop the bullshit labelling/ad hominems, and actually discuss points of view now?
I agree to your last sentence and would like to give it back to the people like the obviously good-willing woman in your video - I watched her 30 min whining with quite a few misunderstandings.

Greta is not telling the politicians what to do. She is telling politicians to do what they promised (e.g. 1990 in Rio and 2015 in Paris) and to do what the sciences worked out what should be done.
Of course the politicians benefit from meeting her since they get a picture which is interesting for the world. But Greta also benefits since she can impact a decision maker and possible distributor. And much more.
Judge by yourself, another 40 sec at Davos:

And at this press conference in Brussels Greta explains a bit why some people criticize FFF and say they would be puppets: To change subject away from climate crisis.

If you are "real progressives" please contribute with action and do not work against people who act. 1990 was the time to discuss what do do - emission trade or CO2 tax, 0 CO2 emission or carbon removal or mitigation. That time is over and we have 5 past 12. Now we have to do all of those things at once and fast. It is time to start action. So act. Do not stand in the way of people who are acting.


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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: September 01, 2019, 12:53:37 AM »
People who criticized Greta were usually proven wrong. That is easy to understand since she is just pointing to the science. E.g. the liberal politician in Germany who told her to let the professionals do the job was told by >1000 scientists (the professionals) in public the she was right and he not.

Finally critics was about her outfit or that she would be responsible for the CO2 caused by a ship or that other people fly - just as if you would be responsible for a 100 mio jet and the car of the pilot in case you buy a ticket for an airplane...

So - we got though the bullshit here since a year. Act better than Greta or let her do her fantastic job without nasty noises! Let your children do school strike - school is futile without future anyway.

 

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Policy and solutions / Re: Greta Thunberg's Atlantic crossing
« on: August 31, 2019, 02:49:43 PM »
To clarify: I was attempting to refer to supporting her mission.  I was not able to find a mission statement for her, however, she does explain her mission fairly well here as well as sharing a few things about her life on the Ted Talk:

https://www.ted.com/talks/greta_thunberg_the_disarming_case_to_act_right_now_on_climate

Supporting her mission means having critical discussions about what she says as well as discussions about data that she uses to make her points.  Showing cause and effects by comparing newly available data with older data is critical to her discussions.  This forum can help her determine better ways to explain this data.  That's what I am talking about. 

Also, just knowing that there are other people on a similar page as she is can be a great help as well.
You are so right VaughnAn. Greta's emotions are fed by science and reason and without any filter those emotions go straight inside me. That is her simple magic. Let us do what she does: Unite behind the science! Act. If someone wants to criticize her or anything which one may see behind her (What could be behind her other than science and panic? She is visually open without any filter due to Asperger...): Act better first, please.

Now I hope she gets viral in the Americas like she did in Europe. In Europe she politicized the young people like nobody else. "The Climate Crisis is solved - now start to act".

Her mission statement could be "Our house is on fire. I want you to panic. And act" - as she told us in Davos:

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Policy and solutions / Re: Coal
« on: October 06, 2018, 12:57:31 PM »
Hambi bleibt! https://hambachforest.org/?noredirect=en_US

Hambacher forest can stay - uprooting is banned by country court. Details about the topic here: https://www.dw.com/de/hambacher-forst-verst%C3%B6%C3%9Ft-geplante-rodung-gegen-das-recht/a-45619111


This may be a first victory against the excessive lignite burning in Germany. There is a hope that "Hambi" could become a symbol just like Gorleben and Wackersdorf have been in the eighties in the preparation of the exit from nuclear. However, it took about 10-20 year for nuclear (until 2002) and it maybe necessary that the green party needs to be in government again to get that job done. But at least they are on the rise (maybe ~18% next week in Bavaria?).

Nevertheless today is party time!  ;D 20 000 people are expected today https://www.merkur.de/politik/ersten-sind-schon-da-anti-kohle-demo-und-jubel-party-im-hambacher-forst-gericht-erlaubt-hambi-demo-zr-10260530.html and the weather is fine  8)


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